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Police Scotland stands by as gender-critical feminist is attacked

A Women Wont Wheesht protest in September 2021. Credit: Getty

July 28, 2023 - 2:45pm

What happens to men who attack women in Scotland? Not very much, it appears, after a man who punched a woman twice last weekend was let off with a police warning. The decision has been criticised by feminists and the SNP MP Joanna Cherry KC, herself a former prosecutor, who tweeted this morning that concerns about the caution are “well-placed”. 

The man, who hasn’t been named, was one of the counter-protesters who turned up when a group called Women Won’t Wheesht, which opposes the Scottish government’s controversial gender reforms, held a peaceful rally in Aberdeen. It is the latest in a series of incidents, not just in Scotland, where feminists who uphold women’s legal rights have been threatened with violence and in some instances physically attacked. 

But the situation north of the border, where attempts to show a documentary called Adult Human Female have been blocked twice at the University of Edinburgh, is particularly acute. The passage of a contentious bill last December to allow people to “identity” as the opposite sex seems to have encouraged some very unpleasant public protests. In January, several SNP politicians were photographed in Glasgow in front of a placard threatening to “decapitate terfs”. (They later said they were not aware of the message.)

Following the assault on Julie Marshall in Aberdeen last weekend, the policy analysis collective Murray Blackburn Mackenzie has written to Sir Iain Livingstone, Police Scotland’s Chief Constable. Their letter asks how the caution squares with public bodies’ obligations under the European Convention of Human Rights to protect freedom of speech and assembly. Just two months ago, Livingstone admitted the existence of institutional sexism and misogyny at Police Scotland. 

Marshall’s experience points to a very specific problem, however. She has photographs of her injuries and gave a statement to police after the assault, but she was not even informed of the decision to let her assailant off with a warning. It is hard to imagine other circumstances in which an assault, in front of dozens of witnesses and in the presence of police officers, would be treated so lightly. 

But this is what happens when extremists are allowed to get away with claiming that they are the victims of a non-existent “war” on trans people. Trans activist rhetoric essentially boils down to “terfs ask for it”, as though gathering peacefully to defend women’s rights is an intolerable provocation. And women are left seeking protection from police forces who, in some instances, vie for approval from Stonewall and paint police cars in trans colours. Police Scotland only withdrew from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions scheme earlier this year.

There is a clear conflict of interest here. It is not the job of the police to judge people’s legally held views or take sides in a heated public debate. Politicians should be saying as much, but most remain shamefully silent — or give a tacit nod to trans activists through their own behaviour. Labour’s sudden realisation earlier this week that biological sex matters has not been accompanied by an apology to all the women in the party, such as Rosie Duffield MP, who have been bullied and harassed for saying so.

Police Scotland claims that handing a caution to Marshall’s assailant is in line with the Lord Advocate’s guidelines which, very conveniently, are not publicly available. But it reinforces the idea that police up and down the country still don’t take violence against women seriously — especially when the victims are feminists.


Joan Smith is a novelist and columnist. She was previously Chair of the Mayor of London’s Violence Against Women and Girls Board. Her book Unfortunately, She Was A Nymphomaniac: A New History of Rome’s Imperial Women will be published in November 2024.

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Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Absolutely, filthy disgusting. We have the entire state apparatus waging war on so-called online harm, but when a man punches a woman in the face, we get crickets. And somehow they expect me to trust the institutions that allow this to happen. Good to know the police are cowards and intellectual light weights.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

How gullible are you people?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago

What’s your point?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

What part didn’t you understand, sport?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago

You mean you don’t have a point.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago

You mean you don’t have a point.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

What part didn’t you understand, sport?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

From what I can see CS, your responses consist of name calling, sprinkled in with a few left-wing talking points. Ya got anything else in that toolkit?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Its called wit. I’m not surprised you didn’t recognize it.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

It’s not wit, and you know it, CS 🙂 At the very least, just be honest with yourself and admit that you have some strange addiction to trolling the comments.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Are you feeling triggered, Jules?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Are you feeling triggered, Jules?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

Do you know the definition of gullible? Because your comment makes no sense.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

It’s not wit, and you know it, CS 🙂 At the very least, just be honest with yourself and admit that you have some strange addiction to trolling the comments.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

Do you know the definition of gullible? Because your comment makes no sense.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Its called wit. I’m not surprised you didn’t recognize it.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

It was you, wasn’t it, who punched that women? Or at least you wish it had been 🙂

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Its been a long time since I was in the Granite City, old boy

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago

That much is obvious. Old boy.

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago

That much is obvious. Old boy.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Its been a long time since I was in the Granite City, old boy

Chipoko
Chipoko
11 months ago

Utter cr*p!

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago

Says the bloke who’s convinced it was all invented.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago

What’s your point?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

From what I can see CS, your responses consist of name calling, sprinkled in with a few left-wing talking points. Ya got anything else in that toolkit?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

It was you, wasn’t it, who punched that women? Or at least you wish it had been 🙂

Chipoko
Chipoko
11 months ago

Utter cr*p!

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago

Says the bloke who’s convinced it was all invented.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

How gullible are you people?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Absolutely, filthy disgusting. We have the entire state apparatus waging war on so-called online harm, but when a man punches a woman in the face, we get crickets. And somehow they expect me to trust the institutions that allow this to happen. Good to know the police are cowards and intellectual light weights.

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
11 months ago

Well, as “they” chanted in NYC during “Pride” month, “We’re here, we’re queer, and we’re coming for your children.” These people cannot be appeased by caving to their perverse and twisted agenda. They want nothing less than cultural domination. Toleration is intolerable; they will take no prisoners. It’s their way or the highway, Comrade.

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
11 months ago

Well, as “they” chanted in NYC during “Pride” month, “We’re here, we’re queer, and we’re coming for your children.” These people cannot be appeased by caving to their perverse and twisted agenda. They want nothing less than cultural domination. Toleration is intolerable; they will take no prisoners. It’s their way or the highway, Comrade.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
11 months ago

The squeaking wheel gets the attention of coppers. If feminists want to be taken seriously, they must be louder and nastier, rather like the transgender crowd, which is .003% of the population. Playing along with the scam, the news media would lead you to believe it is at least a quarter of the whole.

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago
Reply to  Jerry Carroll

Unless Scotland is very different from England and Wales the percentage is considerably more that the number you claim. According to census data just released by the Office of National Statistics, 262,113 people in England and Wales have a gender identity different from their sex registered at birth. That’s around 0.5% of the population. It seems reasonable to assume a similar percentage for Scotland.

Last edited 11 months ago by William Shaw
William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Seems strange to be downvoted for referencing data collected by the Office of National Statistics. I guess some people don’t like facts.
Here’s the link. Check it yourself.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

That’s all very well, but what do you think should be done about it?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Facts aren’t popular with the UnHerd crowd

Andy Moore
Andy Moore
11 months ago

According to the 2022 census data 1,800 people state they are Jedi Knights.

Jim Parry
Jim Parry
11 months ago
Reply to  Andy Moore

… which, for Jerry’s info, is about 0.003% of the pop. (Actually, 0.0026). Maybe he got trans and Jedi mixed up.

Michael K
Michael K
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Parry

Easily done as they are both figments of peoples imagination.

Michael K
Michael K
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Parry

Easily done as they are both figments of peoples imagination.

Jim Parry
Jim Parry
11 months ago
Reply to  Andy Moore

… which, for Jerry’s info, is about 0.003% of the pop. (Actually, 0.0026). Maybe he got trans and Jedi mixed up.

Andy Moore
Andy Moore
11 months ago

According to the 2022 census data 1,800 people state they are Jedi Knights.

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

My guess is the reason your post is not popular is that it suggests asking people if they are gender dysphorics is the way to tell if they are gender dysphoric.
I think the skeptics here believe much of this mental illness is driven not by irreversible brain chemistry (or whatever the theory is) but social contagion, peer pressure, emotional alienation, etc etc. – all things that can be treated and ameliorated without cutting off body parts, ingesting hormones, or living a lie.
The result is that we have two different trans- problems – the one that has been around for decades in an infinitesimal slice of the populace, and another larger one that is the result of the sexual revolution, identity politics, spiritual alienation, and the relentless, never-ending, back-breaking quest to the most authentically authentic person you can possibly be.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kirk Susong
Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago
Reply to  Kirk Susong

Incisive comment.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago
Reply to  Kirk Susong

Incisive comment.

Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

The devil is in the details. The ONS page you link to quotes the following figures: –
A total of 262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”, indicating that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth. Within this group:
118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identityGiven that respondents had the option of identifying as a trans man or trans woman, yet 118,000 (almost half) elected only to indicate that “their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth”, I’d contend that only the 96,000 who chose trans man or woman could be considered (and would consider themselves) part of the “transgender crowd”.
True, that’s a lot more than the 0.003% of the population estimated by Jerry Carroll, but also a lot less than 0.5%.

Last edited 11 months ago by Pat Rowles
Denis Stone
Denis Stone
11 months ago
Reply to  Pat Rowles

Yes, about 0.14 percent. or 1 in 700.

Denis Stone
Denis Stone
11 months ago
Reply to  Pat Rowles

Yes, about 0.14 percent. or 1 in 700.

Alison Wren
Alison Wren
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

There was a brilliant article about this because it seemed there were more people in Newham(largely Muslim population) than in Brighton (preferred location for gays and lesbians and the rest of the alphabet soup). The question was worded SO badly in the census that it appears many respondents misunderstood it.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

That’s all very well, but what do you think should be done about it?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Facts aren’t popular with the UnHerd crowd

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

My guess is the reason your post is not popular is that it suggests asking people if they are gender dysphorics is the way to tell if they are gender dysphoric.
I think the skeptics here believe much of this mental illness is driven not by irreversible brain chemistry (or whatever the theory is) but social contagion, peer pressure, emotional alienation, etc etc. – all things that can be treated and ameliorated without cutting off body parts, ingesting hormones, or living a lie.
The result is that we have two different trans- problems – the one that has been around for decades in an infinitesimal slice of the populace, and another larger one that is the result of the sexual revolution, identity politics, spiritual alienation, and the relentless, never-ending, back-breaking quest to the most authentically authentic person you can possibly be.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kirk Susong
Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

The devil is in the details. The ONS page you link to quotes the following figures: –
A total of 262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”, indicating that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth. Within this group:
118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identityGiven that respondents had the option of identifying as a trans man or trans woman, yet 118,000 (almost half) elected only to indicate that “their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth”, I’d contend that only the 96,000 who chose trans man or woman could be considered (and would consider themselves) part of the “transgender crowd”.
True, that’s a lot more than the 0.003% of the population estimated by Jerry Carroll, but also a lot less than 0.5%.

Last edited 11 months ago by Pat Rowles
Alison Wren
Alison Wren
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

There was a brilliant article about this because it seemed there were more people in Newham(largely Muslim population) than in Brighton (preferred location for gays and lesbians and the rest of the alphabet soup). The question was worded SO badly in the census that it appears many respondents misunderstood it.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

The ONS is revisiting the question relating to trans. It is believed that it was sufficiently confusing (as phrased) to give pause regsrding data integrity.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

The size of this group doesn’t matter. If they were a tiny minority but were in the right, then they should be listened to and catered for whatever their proportion of the population. But they’re in the wrong. That’s the point. Flexing majority muscles doesn’t help the argument.

Kate Madrid
Kate Madrid
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

But are statistics that record fantastical beliefs “facts”?

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Seems strange to be downvoted for referencing data collected by the Office of National Statistics. I guess some people don’t like facts.
Here’s the link. Check it yourself.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

The ONS is revisiting the question relating to trans. It is believed that it was sufficiently confusing (as phrased) to give pause regsrding data integrity.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

The size of this group doesn’t matter. If they were a tiny minority but were in the right, then they should be listened to and catered for whatever their proportion of the population. But they’re in the wrong. That’s the point. Flexing majority muscles doesn’t help the argument.

Kate Madrid
Kate Madrid
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

But are statistics that record fantastical beliefs “facts”?

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago
Reply to  Jerry Carroll

Unless Scotland is very different from England and Wales the percentage is considerably more that the number you claim. According to census data just released by the Office of National Statistics, 262,113 people in England and Wales have a gender identity different from their sex registered at birth. That’s around 0.5% of the population. It seems reasonable to assume a similar percentage for Scotland.

Last edited 11 months ago by William Shaw
Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
11 months ago

The squeaking wheel gets the attention of coppers. If feminists want to be taken seriously, they must be louder and nastier, rather like the transgender crowd, which is .003% of the population. Playing along with the scam, the news media would lead you to believe it is at least a quarter of the whole.

John Taylor
John Taylor
11 months ago

If there is a sliver of truth to the “epidemic of violence” trope, it may lie in the fact that many transgender sex workers hide their natal anatomy from Johns, which when the truth comes out, can provoke rage in men who thought they were buying the services of a biogical woman. But that reaction is not anti-trans, it is the reaction of someone lied to and deceived.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

Personal experience, John?

Paul Hendricks
Paul Hendricks
11 months ago

Perhaps your personal experience has been otherwise?

Isimemen Etute, is a well-known example of such a reaction, which surely explains the alleged violence toward trans prostitutes.

Last edited 11 months ago by Paul Hendricks
Paul Hendricks
Paul Hendricks
11 months ago

Perhaps your personal experience has been otherwise?

Isimemen Etute, is a well-known example of such a reaction, which surely explains the alleged violence toward trans prostitutes.

Last edited 11 months ago by Paul Hendricks
David Morley
David Morley
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

I think this is an urban myth.

Penny Adrian
Penny Adrian
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

Trans “sex workers” don’t have to hide their natal sex to be violently attacked by sex buyers. Natal women who work in the sex industry are 18 times more likely to be murdered than other women of their same race and class.
Black trans women suffer high rates of violence because, at least in the USA, they have a 40% involvement in the sex industry.
Transwomen are not killed because of “transphobes” targeting them for being trans; they are killed because all people sold for sex are easy targets for predators, and transpeople are overly represented in this brutal industry.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

Best comment on this thread – thanks Penny.

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

Your point is not mutually exclusive with his – I agree that even non-trans prostitutes suffer violence at a very high rate, but it can also be the case that trans prostitutes suffer violence at an even higher rate. I think this conclusion is resisted because people think this explanation is ‘blaming the victim’ (as if the trans person’s deceitfulness absolves the john from his moral responsibility).
But again, these are not mutually exclusive. Criminals should be punished – and both assaulting prostitutes and engaging in prostitution should be crimes. These are different crimes, but they are outlawed because (inter alia) they contribute to social disorder for everyone. Prostitution is an evil that should be stamped out – supply and demand both.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kirk Susong
Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

A point that I’ve tried to make numerous times in response to TRA claims of a trans genocide on social media. Studies that they quote also don’t differentiate attacks on trans-identifying individuals by other trans-identifiers.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

Best comment on this thread – thanks Penny.

Kirk Susong
Kirk Susong
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

Your point is not mutually exclusive with his – I agree that even non-trans prostitutes suffer violence at a very high rate, but it can also be the case that trans prostitutes suffer violence at an even higher rate. I think this conclusion is resisted because people think this explanation is ‘blaming the victim’ (as if the trans person’s deceitfulness absolves the john from his moral responsibility).
But again, these are not mutually exclusive. Criminals should be punished – and both assaulting prostitutes and engaging in prostitution should be crimes. These are different crimes, but they are outlawed because (inter alia) they contribute to social disorder for everyone. Prostitution is an evil that should be stamped out – supply and demand both.

Last edited 11 months ago by Kirk Susong
Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

A point that I’ve tried to make numerous times in response to TRA claims of a trans genocide on social media. Studies that they quote also don’t differentiate attacks on trans-identifying individuals by other trans-identifiers.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

Yep. For their demographic, they’re over-represented in the sex trade.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

Personal experience, John?

David Morley
David Morley
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

I think this is an urban myth.

Penny Adrian
Penny Adrian
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

Trans “sex workers” don’t have to hide their natal sex to be violently attacked by sex buyers. Natal women who work in the sex industry are 18 times more likely to be murdered than other women of their same race and class.
Black trans women suffer high rates of violence because, at least in the USA, they have a 40% involvement in the sex industry.
Transwomen are not killed because of “transphobes” targeting them for being trans; they are killed because all people sold for sex are easy targets for predators, and transpeople are overly represented in this brutal industry.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago
Reply to  John Taylor

Yep. For their demographic, they’re over-represented in the sex trade.

John Taylor
John Taylor
11 months ago

If there is a sliver of truth to the “epidemic of violence” trope, it may lie in the fact that many transgender sex workers hide their natal anatomy from Johns, which when the truth comes out, can provoke rage in men who thought they were buying the services of a biogical woman. But that reaction is not anti-trans, it is the reaction of someone lied to and deceived.

Kevan Hudson
Kevan Hudson
11 months ago

Believe all women until they criticize gender ideology.

Penny Adrian
Penny Adrian
11 months ago
Reply to  Kevan Hudson

Yes. The subtext of “believe all women” is “believe all obedient women who think and say the correct things”.

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

As you probably know,the term was coined by feminists who insisted that all women who accuse men of sexual abuse and rape should be believed without question.
Given the prevalence of false accusations that term has somewhat fallen out of favour.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

It was always a stupid slogan. “Take complaints seriously” would have been much more sane. As if women never make stuff up. MeToo was great in that it encouraged people to report stuff that had actually happened to them, but it makes some radical feminists think that not even a jury and an open court can be trusted, the logical conclusion of which is that we just skip the trial altogether and go straight to sentencing. Absolutely nuts. And of course they’re never able to say what would replace our justice systems if they just ripped them out.
PS: I say all the above as a second-wave feminist. I have zero time for intersectional, third-wave or radical feminism.

Last edited 11 months ago by Katherine Finn
Hilary Easton
Hilary Easton
11 months ago
Reply to  Katherine Finn

The slogan ‘Take complaints seriously’ is great as a guideline but it has too many syllables for a slogan.
Sloganisers love a short, sharp phrase with no nuance whatsoever, like ‘take back control’ or ‘trans women are women’. No word in a slogan should have more than two syllables as it makes it too difficult to chant. ‘Seriously’ will never do.

Hilary Easton
Hilary Easton
11 months ago
Reply to  Katherine Finn

The slogan ‘Take complaints seriously’ is great as a guideline but it has too many syllables for a slogan.
Sloganisers love a short, sharp phrase with no nuance whatsoever, like ‘take back control’ or ‘trans women are women’. No word in a slogan should have more than two syllables as it makes it too difficult to chant. ‘Seriously’ will never do.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago
Reply to  William Shaw

It was always a stupid slogan. “Take complaints seriously” would have been much more sane. As if women never make stuff up. MeToo was great in that it encouraged people to report stuff that had actually happened to them, but it makes some radical feminists think that not even a jury and an open court can be trusted, the logical conclusion of which is that we just skip the trial altogether and go straight to sentencing. Absolutely nuts. And of course they’re never able to say what would replace our justice systems if they just ripped them out.
PS: I say all the above as a second-wave feminist. I have zero time for intersectional, third-wave or radical feminism.

Last edited 11 months ago by Katherine Finn
Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

And who are prepared to be victims needing male ‘protection’ from other males. Women who stand up for themselves and refuse to be victims are considered fair game.

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

As you probably know,the term was coined by feminists who insisted that all women who accuse men of sexual abuse and rape should be believed without question.
Given the prevalence of false accusations that term has somewhat fallen out of favour.

Caroline Watson
Caroline Watson
11 months ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

And who are prepared to be victims needing male ‘protection’ from other males. Women who stand up for themselves and refuse to be victims are considered fair game.

Penny Adrian
Penny Adrian
11 months ago
Reply to  Kevan Hudson

Yes. The subtext of “believe all women” is “believe all obedient women who think and say the correct things”.

Kevan Hudson
Kevan Hudson
11 months ago

Believe all women until they criticize gender ideology.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago

I am going to simply restate my consensus filter theory, that weak people (many women and low-t males) when they are presented with new information don’t first think “is this true?”, but they think “is this safe to think?” If all the screens they see every day say the same thing, that must be the safe thing to think, and so taking that position garners them tribal membership where they are safe. 
So, the idea of great leaders leading people, that seems to be a thing of the past. Attempts at that are done by the so called “evil” populists, which the consensus is that these menare flawed and to be rejected. So today we’re led by a force-fed consensus, pushed down on all of the people who have been enslaved through narrative control, and what seems to be almost a purposful weakening.

Last edited 11 months ago by Steve White
Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Your theory is very compelling indeed. Constructive criticism: have another look at the first sentence of your second paragraph. I’m finding it very difficult to parse.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

The only compelling thing about him is his need to complete a grade school level education.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago

haha…,brutal…

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
11 months ago

E Bevin, Keir Hardie plus many founders of the Labour Party did not complete their education, they were working by the age of twelve years of age.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Charles Hedges

Yes. They were, however, highly intelligent and articulate leaders.
Our friend above is neither.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Charles Hedges

Yes. They were, however, highly intelligent and articulate leaders.
Our friend above is neither.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

As an ex-university professor, I always told my students that the moment you believe having a degree makes you superior to others, that is the moment your education has failed you.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago

haha…,brutal…

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
11 months ago

E Bevin, Keir Hardie plus many founders of the Labour Party did not complete their education, they were working by the age of twelve years of age.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

As an ex-university professor, I always told my students that the moment you believe having a degree makes you superior to others, that is the moment your education has failed you.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Thank you Richard. I tried to repair it some.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

@Richard, what is the issue with the first sentence if the second paragraph?
“So, the idea of great leaders leading people, that seems to be a thing of the past.”

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

I edited it. It was much worse before I did.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

I edited it. It was much worse before I did.

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

If that’s what you call a theory, I have a number of bridges to sell you.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

The only compelling thing about him is his need to complete a grade school level education.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Thank you Richard. I tried to repair it some.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

@Richard, what is the issue with the first sentence if the second paragraph?
“So, the idea of great leaders leading people, that seems to be a thing of the past.”

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

If that’s what you call a theory, I have a number of bridges to sell you.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Is gibberish your first language or did you have to learn it?

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago

pay me for it, and I promise I will write better. 😀

Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
11 months ago

Fancy coming on a pretty polite discussion site, and offering nothing but low-level schoolyard trolling. Sheesh.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago

pay me for it, and I promise I will write better. 😀

Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
11 months ago

Fancy coming on a pretty polite discussion site, and offering nothing but low-level schoolyard trolling. Sheesh.

Jonathan N
Jonathan N
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

I think you’re right but not, I’m afraid, original. It has long been known that for good evolutionary reasons women are more risk averse than men, and are therefore always looking for the majority view with which to align. This of course is true across populations and may not be true in any particular case.

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Your first sentence disastrously confuses physical weakness ‘in women and low-t men’ because of the hormonal effect on physical development, with intellectual weakness. Which in itself is quite hilariously dim, and renders the remainder of your statement null and void.

Last edited 11 months ago by Coralie Palmer
Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Not sure how stupid you think women are. The mainstay of the protests against trans thugs has come from middle-aged women, who by your lights are probably even more risk-averse than young women.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Your theory is very compelling indeed. Constructive criticism: have another look at the first sentence of your second paragraph. I’m finding it very difficult to parse.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Is gibberish your first language or did you have to learn it?

Jonathan N
Jonathan N
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

I think you’re right but not, I’m afraid, original. It has long been known that for good evolutionary reasons women are more risk averse than men, and are therefore always looking for the majority view with which to align. This of course is true across populations and may not be true in any particular case.

Coralie Palmer
Coralie Palmer
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Your first sentence disastrously confuses physical weakness ‘in women and low-t men’ because of the hormonal effect on physical development, with intellectual weakness. Which in itself is quite hilariously dim, and renders the remainder of your statement null and void.

Last edited 11 months ago by Coralie Palmer
Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve White

Not sure how stupid you think women are. The mainstay of the protests against trans thugs has come from middle-aged women, who by your lights are probably even more risk-averse than young women.

Steve White
Steve White
11 months ago

I am going to simply restate my consensus filter theory, that weak people (many women and low-t males) when they are presented with new information don’t first think “is this true?”, but they think “is this safe to think?” If all the screens they see every day say the same thing, that must be the safe thing to think, and so taking that position garners them tribal membership where they are safe. 
So, the idea of great leaders leading people, that seems to be a thing of the past. Attempts at that are done by the so called “evil” populists, which the consensus is that these menare flawed and to be rejected. So today we’re led by a force-fed consensus, pushed down on all of the people who have been enslaved through narrative control, and what seems to be almost a purposful weakening.

Last edited 11 months ago by Steve White
Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
11 months ago

The victim should make a civil claim against the perpetrator for personal injury.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago

Yeah, good luck with enforcing any judgment where there isn’t an insurance company involved on the defence side.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago

Yeah, good luck with enforcing any judgment where there isn’t an insurance company involved on the defence side.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
11 months ago

The victim should make a civil claim against the perpetrator for personal injury.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

When I was a bar man in Amsterdam I witnessed a fight between two trannies. They fought like men but the manicured nails, botoxed lips, and lavish make-up gave it a really gay-sinister air.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

This never happened.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
11 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

This never happened.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
11 months ago

When I was a bar man in Amsterdam I witnessed a fight between two trannies. They fought like men but the manicured nails, botoxed lips, and lavish make-up gave it a really gay-sinister air.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago

How are the guidelines not publicly available under FOI? Did they constitute private legal advice? If not, there is absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be disclosed to the public.

Katherine Finn
Katherine Finn
11 months ago

How are the guidelines not publicly available under FOI? Did they constitute private legal advice? If not, there is absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be disclosed to the public.

Ray Zacek
Ray Zacek
11 months ago

Transfascism.

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago

Sounds like the man was simply engaging in aggressive negotiations.
It’s obvious that the discourse is dominated by trans-women and their supporters. They will continue to chip away at the protectionist measures that are currently being erected in the hope of restricting rights to the so-called “pure females.” Older women and, ironically, radical feminists will continue to fight for what they see as their historical female privileges that date from the days of chivalry but they will eventually by outnumbered by a new generation with very different views. Their male fellow travellers will eventually realise their status as useful idiots campaigning against their own sex. The old will pass away and radical feminism is increasingly viewed as toxic. Change is inevitable. 

William Shaw
William Shaw
11 months ago

Sounds like the man was simply engaging in aggressive negotiations.
It’s obvious that the discourse is dominated by trans-women and their supporters. They will continue to chip away at the protectionist measures that are currently being erected in the hope of restricting rights to the so-called “pure females.” Older women and, ironically, radical feminists will continue to fight for what they see as their historical female privileges that date from the days of chivalry but they will eventually by outnumbered by a new generation with very different views. Their male fellow travellers will eventually realise their status as useful idiots campaigning against their own sex. The old will pass away and radical feminism is increasingly viewed as toxic. Change is inevitable.