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Why we worship the NHS The welfare state absorbed our religious instincts

Is Mrs. Grundy the hero we need? Photo by Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images.

Is Mrs. Grundy the hero we need? Photo by Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images.


December 4, 2024   6 mins

Across the pond, dire warnings are often intoned about something called Christian Nationalism. This is (we are told) a rising, virulent strain of theocratic fascism that fuses Christian dogma with sexism, ethnocentrism, and state power. Others, again, warn that this is now in danger of spreading to sensibly secular Britain.

Except that Britain is already the historic home of Christian nationalism. We have, after all, had a nationally established Christian church since 1534. Since then, this body has (as the name “Church of England” suggests) sought to hold in homeostasis England’s spiritual and political bodies, as both Christian, and a nation.

Can it last, though? Last week’s Commons vote in favour of a bill permitting state-licensed suicide points toward England now being more post-Christian than not. And if the UK is now post-Christian, so too our current ruling uniparty seems increasingly post-national; the enthusiasm shown by the current lot for handing away national possessions such as the Chagos Islands and — just this week — the Elgin Marbles are only the two most recent cases in point.

We got from the historic version of Christian nationalism to our contemporary post-Christian, post-national state ideology via a secular pseudo-church. This emerged within the Anglican Church, spread via its social structures, and then replaced Anglicanism as England’s established faith: the welfare state, and centrally, the NHS. Its unwitting midwives were the welfare state’s 19th-century precursor: England’s church ladies.

This bourgeois group, metonymically referred to at the time as “Mrs Grundy”, represented the public moral conscience of the country. Tireless institution-builders, the Mrs Grundies of the 19th century were often largely content to leave industry, formal politics, and military and imperial matters to men, believing women’s “sphere” instead encompassed family, education, and moral leadership: a figurative as well as literal maternalism that paired satisfyingly with guardianship of the nation’s moral character.

To this end, Mrs Grundy founded charities, schools, and poor relief initiatives. She published improving literature. She campaigned for women’s education. Supported by bodies such as the Girls’ Friendly Society, the Mothers’ Union, and the National Union of Women Workers, a vast network of social reform initiatives flourished across the country.

In most cases, these were profoundly shaped by Mrs Grundy’s Christian faith: the Girls’ Friendly Society (GFS), for example, was founded in 1875 with the support of the Anglican Church, and aimed to support young working-class women who left their homes in the country to take up work in England’s rapidly growing and industrialising cities. The explicit aim was to provide “for every working girl of unblemished character a friend in a class above her own”. Similarly, the Mothers’ Union, founded 1876 (again with the blessing of the Anglican Church) shared with the GFS an aspiration to moral reform of the nation, and to strengthening the Empire through womanly influence. It aimed, according to its own mission statement, “To uphold the sanctity of marriage and to awaken in mothers of all classes a sense of their great responsibility as mothers in the training of their boys and girls (the future fathers and mothers of the Empire)”. Thousands of Mothers’ Union groups, publicised by their popular periodicals, formed the backbone of the now-mocked “Jam and Jerusalem” version of Anglican piety.

Patriotic, pious, maternalist, and energetically pro-Empire, Mrs Grundy represented Victorian Britain’s moral mainstream: the real, historic Christian nationalists. Largely framed by the Church of England, Mrs Grundy worked to improve her nation’s moral fibre from the family level upwards, all for the greater glory of God and the British Empire. Over the same period, though, other intellectual currents sought to channel the same broadly Christian impulse toward social reform in less overtly religious directions.

Positivism, for example, developed by the French thinker Auguste Comte, recognised only what could be scientifically verified. Positivists opposed empire, and decried Christianity as a superstitious remnant of an earlier age, while (long before Fukuyama) celebrating the industrial era as the endpoint of human development. Positivism heavily influenced women such as the Women’s Guild organiser Ethel Harrison, who embraced Comte’s vision of women’s distinct social role as moral improver amid a new “religion of Social Service” that would replace the old explicitly theological type.

In this sense, Harrison typified the Positivist efforts to square their philosophy with a still heavily Christian-flavoured moral framework, that emphasised principles such as public service, concern for the weak, and universal equality. And they were hardly the only Victorians keen to salvage Christian moral intuitions while ditching the Christian story. The Fellowship of the New Life, a forebear of Britain’s Ethical and Humanist movements, promoted pacifism, unselfish communitarianism and material simplicity with unmistakably Christian overtones — just without the Christian eschatology. Its most noted spin-off was the Fabian Society, which would go on to shape the intellectual outlook of the Labour Party all the way to its present-day avatar, Keir Starmer.

Such unconventional thinkers often socialised and collaborated with more conventional church ladies. For example, despite Positivism’s opposition to Christianity and imperialism, Ethel Harrison was close friends with several much more conventionally Christian and patriotic social reformers. But if these ladies collaborated in public life, their underlying worldviews were in conflict. And from today’s vantage-point, it’s evident that the secularisers won.

But Mrs Grundy wasn’t so much abolished, as nationalised. By the early 20th century many of the institutions founded by church ladies had grown so indispensable to the social fabric they were eventually absorbed into national welfare infrastructure: schools and hospitals were absorbed into state education, for example, while the patrician home-visiting once performed by Mothers’ Union ladies became social work under the eye of local authorities. In the process, the “Jam and Jerusalem” piety and overt Christian ethos that inspired them were progressively sanded away. In its place, the worldview represented in Mrs Grundy’s heyday by groups such as the Positivists and Fellowship of the New Life came into its own: a version of the Christian public service ethos featureless, ductile and “neutral” enough to be delivered by impersonal bureaucracy, rather than officious matrons.

In this way, imperceptibly, the version of the established Church of England that dominated the high Victorian era gave way to a new established Church: one in which God and Caesar converge in a bureaucratic, state-managed nationwide project of moral reform and poor relief, with “tithes” or “fundraising” now formalised as general taxation. Perhaps its most obviously religious manifestation today is the devotion inspired by the NHS, as when, during Covid, we closed churches, schools, pubs, and much else besides in the name of our all-important collective duty to “save the NHS”.

The clarity of national moral focus, in a crisis, was underlined by the one in-person collective action we were still allowed: the “Clap for Carers” coordinated five-minute exeat from our homes to join in ritual applause, for the NHS workers’ holy preservation of our bodily safety and wellbeing. The only reason this partially escapes being seen as a religious practice is that its values are the post-Christian, secular ones that spun out of the collision between Victorian Christianity and scientific materialism.

Meanwhile, too, if this new established church preserved a thinned-out, neutralised version of Christianity, so it also preserved a dilute “civic” form of the nationalism — as an enabling mechanism for the welfare state. For, very reductively, National Insurance presupposes a nation. More subtly, too, willingness to pay the taxes that fund requires high levels of social solidarity in turn presupposes an “imagined community”. And in the popular understanding, this tends to comprise some mix of genetic, historic, cultural and/or geographic commonalities — a phenomenon that, again, maps closely to the modernist political entity “nation”.

That, in broad outline, is the version of “Christian nationalism” that’s held in England for roughly the last century. Meanwhile, in the aftermath of its establishment, the older overtly Christian Church of England has grown ever more etiolated, as practical ministry increasingly devolved to the state and the spiritual kind came to feel optional or simply irrelevant.

Does this matter? It should, perhaps, to those who remain Christian in terms that would have made sense to Mrs Grundy. For it’s one thing for an established church to shrug as formerly church-based charity work is nationalised in name of secular “compassion”. It’s another altogether to go on shrugging, as actively anti-Christian activities such as state-licenced suicide — a cause supported by Fellowship of the New Life member and Fabians including Havelock Ellis and Starmer — are added under the same rationale. It is, of course, more than possible to adhere to Christian beliefs while living in a state that professes a different or even hostile creed; this remains true, today, for many Christians worldwide. But last week’s vote in Parliament ought perhaps to invite devout Anglicans to consider whether the nominal position of their own faith as England’s national church has left them unduly complacent about the actual established Church, and the actual standing of Christianity in England.

Meanwhile, too, even those unsentimental about the older Church might eye the evolution of its successor, and wonder about the prognosis for the “imagined community” of England in which it remains nominally established. This is not just due to the post-national sensibility of Keir Starmer and those of his ilk, but also a paradox at the heart of England’s religion of state welfare.

For this relies for sustainability on an ever-growing population and economy. And as Britain’s birth rate has declined and its economy stagnated, politicians have turned with increasing desperation to migration, to fund and staff the welfare our state religion demands. Then, as they do so, the resulting demographic change has progressively undermined the cohesion of the “imagined community” that legitimised it to begin with.

A century and a half on from Mrs Grundy’s heyday, then, it’s clear that Mrs Grundy won, in the sense that her Christian nationalism entrenched itself in the architecture of the British state. But she lost, too, as it subsequently evolved into something actively solvent both to Christian doctrine, and to national identity as such.

As this progresses, both Church and nation (in the sense Mrs Grundy would have understood them) are now sliding ever closer to extinction, under a regime that sees in both only a threat to its utopian universalism. And whatever you think of the welfare state, I would not bet on its survival much beyond the Christian nationalism that birthed it. Mrs Grundy would be appalled by the fruits of her own triumph.


Mary Harrington is a contributing editor at UnHerd.

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Arthur G
Arthur G
23 hours ago

Great article. The progressive leftism that has dominated the West for the last 50 years or so is not (as they would have us believe) an empirical exercise in good governance. It is a religion just as sure as Islam and Catholicism are. It’s gods are the welfare state, and radical individual (especially sexual) autonomy. It has made the schools and colleges it’s churches to shape the mind of the young, and made the main stream media into its evangelists. It never challenges any of its doctrines, in fact, I think it challenges doctrine far LESS than Christian churches. As its practices have made its practitioners more and more miserable, no one is allowed to challenge the gods

Last edited 23 hours ago by Arthur G
Matt M
Matt M
16 hours ago
Reply to  Arthur G

“Positivism, for example, developed by the French thinker Auguste Comte, recognised only what could be scientifically verified.“

As Dr Starkey says, all bad ideas come from France.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
12 hours ago
Reply to  Matt M

Including the language

andy young
andy young
11 hours ago

The language is gorgeous! But their philosophy, placing theory above empirical evidence, is inflicting universal suffering & misery.

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
9 hours ago

C’est un peu dur ça!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 hours ago
Reply to  Erik Hildinger

Я думаю, ты имел в виду, что это немного грубо.

John Wilkes
John Wilkes
9 hours ago
Reply to  Matt M

Another French thinker, Voltaire, once said that whilst some states had an army, the Prussian army had a state.
I have long thought that this epithet could be applied to the UK and the NHS.

Last edited 9 hours ago by John Wilkes
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 hours ago
Reply to  John Wilkes

At least the German army was good

Peter B
Peter B
15 hours ago
Reply to  Arthur G

Good points. It does prompt the question of how radical individualism is compatible with the welfare state. Unless the radical autonomy is a really way of signalling conformity – which might be the case given that a lot of the LGBTQIA/whatever stuff seems to be about signalling membership of a tribal group rather than genuine individualism.

Arthur G
Arthur G
10 hours ago
Reply to  Peter B

The welfare state is there to enable the radical individualism; to protect people from the consequences of their destructive behavior (whether it’s dropping out of school, having kids outside of marriage, addiction, or spending $200,000 on a BA and MA in critical theory navel-gazing). We have to remember the jobs in the welfare state are as much a part of its purpose as the benefits. Millions of white collar jobs doing nothing productive, paid for by our taxes, and filled by the brainwashed mediocrities with no real education that our universities produce.

Of course (as you note) in the long-run this destructive behavior makes it harder and harder to pay for the welfare state. The cycle is unsustainable.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
8 hours ago
Reply to  Peter B

That’s what struck me: individualism is actually very rare, and has no need to be “radical” – we just know it when see it, as was always the case. We also see the same old conformity with the norms, which many (in particular the woke adherents) think of as being “radical”.

It’s quite sad to witness.

Jonathan Story
Jonathan Story
12 hours ago
Reply to  Arthur G

The war against Christianity has been going on from before Mrs Grundy’s time. It may be followed through the progress of Darwinism, in other words of biology as the source of law. First in line was the decision to have Darwin buried in Westminster- a militant atheist if ever there was one, blancmange into being acceptable. Then the CoE decision in the late 1920s in favour of abortion-the top point of the slippery slope. Then Bishop Robinson in favour of the f..k in Lady Chatterley’s Lover’s trial; on to the elevation of the present Archbishop of York to his see-a woke fish with absolutely no ounce of Christianity in him. Of course, the BBC plays a role-with Moslems and atheists running its Holy Hour, and the nationalisation of charities, starting with Lloyd George’s budget, launching the trend to squeeze the private sector from charities, through to Broon’s subsidisation of the same and the present 450,000 sterling salary of Amnesty International’s salary.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 hours ago
Reply to  Jonathan Story

Did you mean York or Canterbury ?

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
8 hours ago
Reply to  Jonathan Story

The C of E did not accept abortion in the 1920’s. To this day, it condemns abortion as immoral in 98% + of cases. Darwin called himself ‘agnostic’, after he felt his deistic faith –he had studied theology at Cambridge– challeged following the death of his daughter. He was not an athiest, and certainly not ‘militant’ for athiesm as a cause. It’s better to check assertions rather than guess.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
11 hours ago
Reply to  Arthur G

It is not so much a religion as a weapon. The NHS has been deliberately weaponised by the left, and the worse it is the stronger the more useful it is to them. By rendering the NHS inviolable they have a citadel where the can always find sanctuary, and 1.5m voters who have been bought and paid for, the large majority of whom (and they know it) are under employed and who would be unable to secure a job in the private sector with anything like the salary and benefits they currently enjoyed
We pay for a second rate health service and get a fourth rate one. I remember driving home from work during the scamdemic and seeing all those idiots banging pots and pans for the NHS; the temptation to mount the pavement and run a few over. Of course we now know that the vast majority of our sainted NHS were enjoying a samdemic sabbatical

John Galt
John Galt
22 hours ago

> “Once you have made the World an end, and faith a means, you have almost won your man, and it makes very little difference what kind of worldly end he is pursuing. Provided that meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades, matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours—and the more ‘religious’ (on those terms) the more securely ours. I could show you a pretty cageful down here,” – C.S Lewis

The problem with trying to take Christ out of Christianity is that youve removed the purpose and power. Christ’s invitation was “Come follow me.” The central message of Christianity is that we are eternal beings and worth giving the life of a God to be ransomed so that we could enjoy an eternal life of joy if we will have it. Then when men realize what they can be,.what they can become and what they can strive towards, then they are filled with a desire to rise to the offering that has been given them, with the promise that perfection will eventually be theirs through the grace of Christ. Christ and His life and mission and ministry is the power which motivates all the other good works of Christianity, if you try and remove it though it turns out you have little left to run on.

For the Christian conversion is ultimately an inward change that then manifest in outward action. The problem is the world insists we should remove Christ and then strive to change the man by outward pressure. But it turns out if the cold empty world is all there is and the end is oblivion and our lives lacking eternal significance then there becomes very little for man to aspire to beyond himself, and we can see the results plainly.

One other particular quote from the article caught my attention

> And from today’s vantage-point, it’s evident that the secularisers won.

Then I say congratulations to the seculaires on their victory and hope they enjoy their spoils. A world where people feel no connection or anyone, where despite a higher standard of living than ever before everyone is more miserable than ever, a world where almost every individual has in their hands the access to the sum total of human knowledge and uses the device instead to ceaselessly look at more shocking and depraved smut, where the youth have absolutely nothing to understand and desperately searching for any meaning. So congratulations enjoy your world of desolation, your empty hollow dark world, but to quote Puddleglum from the Silver Chair also by Lewis, “I’m on Aslan’s side even if there isn’t any Aslan to lead it.” For the world and life promised by Christ seems like a far far better world than the one delivered to us by the wisdom of men.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 hours ago
Reply to  John Galt

If mass immigration is a pillar of the welfare state, the only thing to observe is that a Ponzi scheme cannot be tapered.
In terms of promoting and establishing civilising ethics, it looks like the Mrs Grundys failed.

JOHN B
JOHN B
10 hours ago
Reply to  John Galt

The Christian path to liberation is the death of the ego/self and surrender to god. Our new, regime approved path to liberation is maximalist ego expression via various identity cults. 

J Bryant
J Bryant
22 hours ago

This is a really first-class article. It reminds me why I eagerly subscribed to Unherd before it began its current journey toward becoming just another popular culture magazine.
Long live Mary H. I hope she survives the day Unherd is absorbed by its older sister publication, The Spectator.

David McKee
David McKee
23 hours ago

Excellent. Fascinating too, but then I’m a sucker for the history of ideas.

Mary might have mentioned eugenics, the idea that humanity can be improved by weeding out the weaker members. A century ago, this was the “feeble-minded.” The revelations of eugenics being taken to its logical conclusion in Hitler’s Germany put paid to eugenics – forever, we thought.

Just last week, it made an unwelcome return. Guess who the weaker members are now?

Kiddo Cook
Kiddo Cook
16 hours ago

No one worships the NHS, it’s that so few trust in God and fear death. The worried well seek solace from those paid to listen.

Last edited 16 hours ago by Kiddo Cook
Peter B
Peter B
15 hours ago
Reply to  Kiddo Cook

Sadly untrue. You forget all the pan banging on Thursday evenings during Covid. Or the lack of questioning about “save the NHS” as one of the three Covid response slogans. We’ll look back in ten years and see this for the absurdity it was. But not yet.

Mangle Tangle
Mangle Tangle
12 hours ago
Reply to  Peter B

True, but I think there’s been a sea-change in attitudes some Covid. The doctor’s strike played a big part here…

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
10 hours ago
Reply to  Peter B

I think people are now more sceptical about the justification for lockdowns, but would they do it again if they had had the fear of death instilled into them by the BBC and Wes Streeting ?

Gerard A
Gerard A
10 hours ago
Reply to  Peter B

The pan banging was for the front line workers not for the institution and certainly not for the donkeys who mismanage it

Kiddo Cook
Kiddo Cook
9 hours ago
Reply to  Peter B

Brainwashing of the masses. Pointless mawkish sentimentality.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
15 hours ago
Reply to  Kiddo Cook

Kiddo is, of course, correct, but at the admitted risk of sounding spiritually superior, only a true Born Again Christian would understand or necessarily agree. This article is a subtle and intelligent analysis of the decline and fall of “social Christianity” as it gradually loses the depth of its belief in and adherence to the true faith – one that includes compassion for those who Christ instructed us to care for in their worldly needs, as well as their urgent need of salvation – those who Christ wept for as he looked over Jerusalem. When believers lose their closeness to God we lose the vision not only of the true horror that awaits the unbeliever on judgement day, but also that compassion that inspires and sustains our work in caring for the needy, and the reward in heaven for being obedient to that command. The article clearly predicts the ends of such delinquency in contributing to the loss not only of national moral identity – though Christians cannot do it all by themselves – but also, some of us believe, of eternal souls.

Paul T
Paul T
12 hours ago
Reply to  Kiddo Cook

I plan to stay (slightly) worried and well rather than very worried and very unwell, you?

Arthur G
Arthur G
10 hours ago
Reply to  Kiddo Cook

When you’d trample basic civil rights, destroy your economy, and deny education to children in order to “save” something, that seems awfully close to worship to me.

Jim C
Jim C
9 hours ago
Reply to  Kiddo Cook

If you’re in A&E, would you want to be treated by a doctor/nurse who’d heard you dissing the NHS… and, by extension… them?

Plenty of us critique the NHS harshly… in private.

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
14 hours ago

I think it’s simple with the NHS, and it really isn’t religious:
First, the socialist Labour Party won the argument against the Tories and nationalised provision (hospitals) rather than funding public coverage. If the Tories and Powell had won the argument, then we would have a Continental social insurance system with different possibilities of public-private coverage and many private providers.
Second, it’s easy to sell the British idea of ‘fair play’ when you’re essentially getting cheap healthcare coverage coming out of taxes you’re forced to pay anyway. I say cheap coverage rather than ‘free’ – as the system advertises, ‘free at the point of use’ health services – to emphasise the huge cost to the British state of supporting a socialist bureaucracy in a private healthcare market (as a monopoly, the NHS will be routinely charged £20 for a box of paracetamols by suppliers), while users usually enjoy the 20th-30th worst treatment outcomes in the developed world.
Third, Britain has an insular political culture propped up by a left-leaning media. Hence, any discussion of the mechanics of a Continental funding model is taken right out of the equation, effectively foreclosed in coverage of the NHS.
However, we’ve seen with the Ukraine war recently how quickly the British political/media class can shift the boundaries of a one-track narrative if they’re told to – by the EU and incoming Trump administration – so you never know, the miracle might occur this decade of debating an alternative funding model for British healthcare.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
10 hours ago
Reply to  Tyler Durden

I think that a lot of people imagine that there was only healthcare for the better-off before the NHS was created, but the government simply nationalised the existing hospitals, as you say.
The “first” NHS hospital, where Nye Bevan was photographed in July 1948 with a young patient and the matron, had been built by a local board in 1929 and was being run by Lancashire County Council until the day it was taken over by the State.
I’m sure that hospital didn’t only treat rich people before it became part of the new NHS. Incidentally, it’s still operating, with various extensions on a crowded site, as Trafford General Hospital.

Timothy Camacho
Timothy Camacho
16 hours ago

Statism is a cult. As always, a cult borrows from the past and other cults, and reshapes when needed. In France, for example, the SeCu is officially the brainchild of the saviour of the nation, Charles de Gaulle. That Laval nationalised all private healthcare insurances in 1942 is a hard to find fact. To varying degrees accros the continent, the same applies to energy, transport, gun control, union control, education. The NHS has always fascinated me. Its remit was far more utopian and humanist, and it was voted in, not imposed in the early 40’s. Many thanks to the author for a brilliant essay.
In the meantime, we live under the pretence that morality and social empathy are entirely collective, exclusively the remits of the state, for which we have been relieved of most of our earnings through excessive and ever increasing taxation. So we can abdicate our right to determine on a individual basis what is wrong and what is right, and give up before we start, as we are left with too little ressources to do anything about it.
The Cass report would be an excellent follow through on this article.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 hours ago

The visual displays at Rochester Cathedral describing its history to visitors denote the years as ‘CE’, not ‘AD’.
What is the C of E submitting to in referencing the commonality of the ‘Common Era’? Utopian universalism?
Charles Dickens’s A Christmas Carol is an example of the process of establishing Christianity as merely social improvement.
In Dickens’s story the lost are only tormented on earth, not in a fiery pit. They are tormented by the wealth disparity in mid-Victorian Britain as it impinges on their social conscience awakened too late. Likewise, the saved are saved by their good works, but the praise they receive is from other people (not from Christ as in the parable of the sheep and the goats), as is made evident to Scrooge when he sees himself lying in his bedroom.
The greatest difference between 19th century people with their familiarity with the Bible and the denizens of the welfare state is the latter’s unawareness of the greatest significance in Scrooge’s name.
Ebenezer is a name that appears once in 1 Samuel vii.12. It is the name given to a memorial stone. It means ‘the stone of help’. It was a reminder in the present of help given in the past and help that would be certain to be given in the future. It is upon the framework of this single reference that Dickens builds his story. Yet, if this provision of help is transferred to institutions, they replace God in the biblical account.
The only thing to observe about one of those pillars of the 21st century state, mass immigration, is that a Ponzi scheme cannot be tapered.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
22 hours ago

Where does the nation get its ethics from? The term “cut-flower ethics” refers to a post-religious society, which by habit retains truth, fairness, and love in its character. Eventually, habit withers like a flower cut from its roots, and dries into nothing. What can impel a man to tell the truth, to be kind, if an immediate benefit is derived to him from falsehood and cruelty? What, but a loving God?

Archibald Tennyson
Archibald Tennyson
13 hours ago

The rot goes deep, a thousand years back.
Britain needs to return to the Apostolic deposit of faith, delivered once and for all to the saints. Britain needs Orthodoxy.
Mary: I’d really appreciate it if you could give a historical perspective that goes back more than a few hundred years. History didn’t begin with the Reformation, you know.

Arthur G
Arthur G
7 hours ago

If you mean small “o” orthodoxy, I agree. If you mean large “O” I’d strongly disagree. One look at the Russian Orthodox Church and it’s long, sordid history of collaborating with tyrants should be enough to prove that point.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
7 hours ago

Nor did it begin with your version of Christianity, as i’ve pointed out many times.

The penny will drop, eventually.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
10 hours ago

We had a similar ritual to ‘clap for carers’ in the US, too. Until some of those carers balked at taking the covid jab, at which point many of the clappers declared assorted nurses and doctors to be heretics and worthy of exclusion from polite society. Religions come in many forms.

Hendrik Mentz
Hendrik Mentz
15 hours ago

‘And whatever you think of the welfare state, I would not bet on its survival much beyond the Christian nationalism that birthed it.’

Ominous. I wonder what it means?

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 hours ago
Reply to  Hendrik Mentz

It means that the Ponzi scheme of mass immigration that is a pillar of the welfare state cannot be tapered.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 hours ago
Reply to  Hendrik Mentz

Alternately, the welfare state will survive as global welfare. A creed as boldly global in its claims as those Christianity once had.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
14 hours ago

The visual displays at Rochester Cathedral describing its history to visitors denote the years as ‘CE’, not ‘AD’.
What is common about the ‘common era’? Utopian universalism? The years of the Lord implied a universal rule, Christ as the cosmic emperor. Now the C of E meekly acknowledges that this is not so. (Personally, I read CE as Christian Era).
Charles Dickens can be seen to have a hand alongside the Mrs Grundys. In his A Christmas Carol, the lost are only tormented on earth, not in a fiery pit. They are scourged by the wealth disparity in mid-Victorian Britain as it impinges on their conscience awakened too late.
Without the Victorians already acceding in some part to the validity of the biblical concerns for the poor and oppressed, Dickens’s story would have had limited appeal. Likewise, in his story the saved are saved by their good works, but the praise they receive is from other people, not from Christ as in the parable of the sheep and the goats, as is made evident to Scrooge when he sees his body lying in his bedroom.
The majority of Victorians would have had a familiarity with the Bible, even if they were not churchgoers. The greatest difference between them and people of the welfare state is the unfamiliarity that latter have with the most significant biblical reference in Scrooge’s name. It is from this reference that Dickens has taken the past, present and future framework of his story. This is unrecognised by the denizens of the welfare state.
Ebenezer is a name that appears once in 1 Samuel vii.12. It is the name given to a memorial stone. It means ‘the stone of help’. It was a reminder of help given in the past and help that would be certain to be given in the future. In being so named, Scrooge becomes that memorial.
Dickens’s evident intention was that whenever people who have read his story think of Scrooge, they were to be reminded of the example of the help he gave and the hope that was given to him and emulate it. If that giving of help is subsequently transferred to institutions, those bodies take the place of God in the biblical account.
The only thing to note about one of those pillars of the 21st century state, mass immigration, is that a Ponzi scheme cannot be tapered. The warnings are there. A house built on sand must collapse, and great will be its ruin. A house divided must fall.
During and after the Covid episode I worked in a lowly, unheroic admin position in a hospital. To avoid the embarrassment of being recognised on public transport and evoking the thanks that other people evidently thought they had a duty to give, I changed out of my uniform before leaving the hospital.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 hours ago

The only thing to observe about mass immigration is that a Ponzi scheme cannot be tapered.
The visitor displays at Rochester Cathedral denote the years as ‘CE’, not ‘AD’. The C of E has submitted to the commonality that is utopian universalism, not to Christ as cosmic emperor, potentate of time.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 hours ago

The welfare state now has the objective of maximising global welfare. That’s ‘global Britain’.

Tim Gardener
Tim Gardener
10 hours ago

A fantstic article, tracing how the British church has duped Mrs Grundy into following the well-intentioned road to hell.
For almost 1500 years, for better or worse, the history of the British Isles has been shaped by Christianity. There has been an Alliance of one form or another between the church and the rulers of Britain since at least the time of the very first Archbishop of Canterbury in AD597. The Alliance has a chequered history – the institutional church in Britain has, in its time, contributed to a culture of persecution and waged religious war, even as individual British christians have pioneered the scientific method or championed the end of the trans-atlantic slave trade. Britain is popularly understood to be a “Christian country” and arguably more civilised as a result of its christian heritage. This evolving Alliance has, over the centuries, created a profound co-dependency between church and country, like two woodland vines twisting in and out of each other to the point where they can no longer be disentangled without uprooting both of them. This Alliance is not just about the establishment of the Church of England, it is actually much broader than the CofE and encompasses all groups that trace their heritage back to the patristic era of the church.
But this is now changing – the uprooting is well underway. Particularly since WW1 and WW2, the British state has been choosing a secular and multi-faith path which explicitly rejects this centuries-old Alliance. The institutional church is not only losing influence in the corridors of power, it is also increasingly irrelevant to the population at large. But the institutional church remains deeply invested in the Alliance, and like a jilted lover, it seeks to cling on to whatever influence and relevance remains. 
The Alliance is collapsing. As the nation slides further into secularism, so also must everything invested in the nation – this includes those parts of the institutional church for whom accepting the secular value set is “the unavoidable price of relevance”. There are serious consequences. The uprooting disturbs the nation as much as it disturbs the institutional church. By embracing the foundational lies of secular liberal democracy in preference to the wisdom of God, Britain is adopting attitudes and courses of action that are increasingly unwise. The nation appears to be adrift from reality and at times insanely so.  
God is not a mere observer of events: those who reject his divine wisdom are given over to an unsound mind to make their own choices and experience the painful consequences of departing from divine wisdom. Insofar as the British church has broadly accepted the secular value set, this judgment applies as much to the British church as it applies to Britain. The Alliance between church and state (in its British form) was always unholy and its inevitable termination, which is very painful, should be acknowledged as an intervention of God rather than something to be resisted. 
This is not a time to lament the church’s descent into irrelevance. This is not a time to rebuild the institutional church and attempt to re-establish the status of the church in the nation. We need to see the UK church’s current descent into irrelevance in the light of God’s eschatological plan to crush Satan. The conditions for irrelevance of the church in Britain today were set by the patristic church during the first four centuries AD. What we witness today are the latest manoeuvres in a spiritual conflict that has been developing over centuries. We need to recognise that this present generation faces a testing moment of decision as the strategic errors of the patristic church are being exposed and unravelled.

Charlie Two
Charlie Two
10 hours ago

“we closed churches, schools, pubs, and much else besides in the name of our all-important collective duty to “save the NHS”.”
“We”?? who the F is “we”? I didnt close anything. bloody stupid idea. almost as stupid as the NHS.

John Tyler
John Tyler
11 hours ago

I feel a distinction should be drawn between “Christian” and “religion”. The institutional churches, eg C of E, are a strange mixture of Christian’s who place their trust in Jesus alone and members who call themselves Christians because they trust an institution that claims religious knowledge. The latter are perhaps religious, but if their trust is in the institution, with its rituals, costumes and all the other paraphernalia, then it is not in Jesus.

Nicholas Coulson
Nicholas Coulson
9 hours ago

“And as Britain’s birth rate has declined and its economy stagnated, politicians have turned with increasing desperation to migration, to fund and staff the welfare our state religion demands. Then, as they do so, the resulting demographic change has progressively undermined the cohesion of the “imagined community” that legitimised it to begin with.” I’m not sure this isn’t the nub of this good article. Do we have any common values any more? We don’t seem to respect anything, much – flag, crown or religion – so it’s hard for me to see what will hold this country together when life next gets rough, which it will and sooner than many expect.

Richard Littlewood
Richard Littlewood
11 hours ago

Christianity will not survive in a country permeated by Far Left values. Marxism chews up religion.
Has England become a post-Christian country because the Left has made it that way? in its own image?
Or is England such a weakened country it allowed the Left to feast on it and now only a corpse remains?
Hopefully the former. Then England could recover.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 hours ago

Thought-provoking.

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Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
9 hours ago

Is it literally true, as Mary seems to say, that you Brits were allowed out of the house for a few minutes each day during Covid in order clap your hands for health-care workers? Was there some sort of schedule or approved time? My apologies for these naive questions from across the pond.

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Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
9 hours ago

Excellent, thank you.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
8 hours ago

An interesting article, with many good points that sum up the muddle of beliefs that now passes for morality. It’s rather generous to the real Mrs. Grundy, however, a priggish, self-righteous dislikeable person, by all accounts.

Gordon Arta
Gordon Arta
8 hours ago

Christianity was built on the myth of ‘god’, derived from an earlier monotheism but totally contradictory to its core belief, then taken over by a religious organisation – the Catholic Church, – with various ‘orthodox’ spinoffs, whose primary, if not sole, aim was, and remains, to preserve and build their powerbases by whatever means they could get away with. When those means became too oppressive for too many, a European Reformation wrested thought control from the iron grip of the clerics, and freed people to think for themselves. This opened the way for the Enlightenment, denying the certainties of unevidenced ‘belief’, and steadily eroding the god myth, pulling the teeth of churches such as the CofE. The organisation’s myth of a do gooding movement has endured, though, and therein lies its only danger; its very powerlessness fools people into thinking that the CofE is religion, and religion is the CofE. Neither is true. Real religion is what the Christian church once was, an irrational, inflexible, violently intolerant supremacist ideology, claiming divine authority for its apparatchiks, the clerics. It isn’t the welfare state, or secularism, or Marxism, or any of the other excuses which are weakening Christianity. It’s that reason, intelligence, facts, understanding, and the freedom to doubt have revealed that ‘god’ is simply a myth, and that ‘faith’ is ritualised superstition.

j watson
j watson
13 hours ago

God that was turgid. Authors usual pseudo-historical nonsense to try and justify a position. And as usual too with zilch on what she’d do to address her concern and, in this instance replace/reduce elements of the Welfare system with…
It’s just entertainment for her base.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
10 hours ago
Reply to  j watson

There is another piece here today that trots out the tired “Tulsi is a Russian asset” claim. Perhaps that would be more to your liking.

Andrew R
Andrew R
10 hours ago
Reply to  j watson

JW was it this that upset you so much…

“For this relies for sustainability on an ever-growing population and economy. And as Britain’s birth rate has declined and its economy stagnated, politicians have turned with increasing desperation to migration, to fund and staff the welfare our state religion demands”.

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