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Was England ever merry? We’re stagnant, divided, increasingly heavily taxed, and even our Prime Minister promises it’s going to get worse. Barely two months into a premiership in which he promised to “tread more lightly” upon the lives of Britons, Starmer is already being decried as the sworn enemy of every pleasure of the flesh.
First, the announcement that smoking may be banned even outside pubs. Then, the plan to curb the consumption of greasy food, with a consultation in the works on banning takeaway restaurants in the vicinity of schools.
Supporters of such measures dispute the idea that “fun” is the right word to describe nicotine addiction or junk-food outlets that exploit school kids. As an ex-smoker and general grease-avoider, I have some sympathy with this view. And yet, there’s a deeper subtext to this argument: an ancient, heavily class-inflected dispute over the cultural and historical meaning of “fun”, and what this debate implies about the new rulers of our increasingly less merry England.
It’s an ambivalence with deep roots in English cultural history: one that perhaps especially permeates the Labour Party since its emergence from the 19th-century trade-union movement. But in his choices since entering No. 10, Starmer has revealed that his Labour represents, almost unadulterated, one side of that debate: Fabianism, the Labour not of the industrial masses, but the London bourgeoisie. And the recent backlash against his proposed health interventions reveals that his true enemy may not be “the Right” at all, but something older and more anarchic, and which today is ironically more associated with the working class than any other: the convivial, chaotic and sometimes startlingly violent spirit of “Merrie England”.
Of course, England’s merriment had already been significantly curbed by the time the bourgeois, top-down movement for clean living and socialist government known as “Fabianism” emerged in the late Victorian era, amid George Bernard Shaw’s progressive circle. Now a Labour Party think tank, the Fabian Society formed in 1884 is still alive and well, while its project of progressive taxation, administrator-led social democracy and top-down revolution is discernible all over Labour policy in recent decades.
But the Fabian tendency most starkly in evidence today is that group’s ascetic sensibility. The Fabians emerged from a Christian socialist group, the Fellowship of New Life, whose object was “the cultivation of a perfect character in all” through simple living. Their early members included vegetarians, anti-vivisectionists, teetotalers, anarchists, Tolstoyan pacifists, and other radicals. The Fabians separated from the Fellowship over the latter’s prioritisation of spiritual over temporal goals, seeking instead to engage more directly in politics. Rejecting the Marxist framing of class war, this new group sought to make socialism acceptable to the English middle classes.
To that end, they emphasised gradualism and rational policy development, proposed training a new governance class that would guide England toward socialism for the good of all, and sought to promote a vision of socialism understood as simply an extension of general niceness. In 1913, in their newly-founded magazine The New Statesman, Fabians Beatrice and Sidney Webb described socialism as “teaching ourselves to be gentlemen” and rolling out a “national standard of good manners”. Contra Marx, there was, the Fabians suggested, no necessary opposition between labour and capital. There didn’t have to be a class war. It was just a matter of educating everyone to be polite, as well as abstemious.
The difficulty with this, though, is that in practice such “education” in socialist niceness and self-restraint has often had to be imposed not just on Labour’s official enemies — conservatives — but also on the supposed beneficiaries of socialism: the working class themselves. For while the 19th-century labour movement represented a mobilisation of that class in its own interests, many bourgeois socialists viewed them more as an object for moral reform by their betters than as people capable of effecting positive change through their own collective agency. And this in turn has produced a longstanding worry: what if the masses are simply too short-termist to know what’s best for them?
For by the late Victorian era, social reformers had long been shaking their heads and tutting at the plebs’ leisure-time priorities. As far back as the 18th century, commentators were already denouncing the moral disaster that resulted from the transposition of English peasant entertainment into an urban, industrial setting: one that had degraded these communities’ enjoyment of festivity from the orderly chaos of convivial “Merrie England” into something more like moral squalor. One historian, writing in 1791, described how English rural people come together for festivals “from all quarters, fill the church on Sunday, and celebrate Monday with feasting, with musick, and with dancing”. By contrast, he reported, among the industrial proletariat such a gathering “never fails to produce a week, at least, of idleness, intoxication and riot”.
But perhaps you think “idleness, intoxication and riot” sounds fun. If so, you would not have been alone even in 1791; by then England had already spent two centuries racked by disagreements over the proper place of merriment. For while some modern commentators claim “Merrie England” never existed, but was invented (usually by conservatives) as a foil for everything they dislike about modernity, premodern England was indeed considerably merrier than its later iterations.
It’s true that, as historian Rebecca Jeffrey Easby argues, Victorian medievalists often constructed an ideal Middle Ages as a foil for everything they disliked about industrial modernity. These weren’t all conservatives: William Morris, for example, often evoked nostalgic visions of return to an idealised premodern communitarian life but also imagined that socialism might provide a cure for the industrial ugliness he hated.
But the England at which they glanced back really existed — after a fashion. As historian Ronald Hutton shows, England’s elaborate ritual calendar comprised a kaleidoscope of feasting, fasting, saints’ days and local traditions that began every year at Christmas and continued till the summer with events such as “wassailing” or “Hocktide”, the day shortly after Easter upon which men could capture and tie up a local woman, only to be released for a fee paid into parish funds.
Merrie England was ended by the Reformation. By the time Cromwell took the reins as Lord Protector in 1653, saints’ days had been abolished; Christmas, Easter and Whitsun had also been scrapped, and Sunday was a strict, abstemious Sabbath. All that remained in the festive calendar was the anti-Catholic innovation of Guy Fawkes’ Day.
Nostalgia for this premodern world tends to focus on its festive and communitarian qualities. But whether conservative or socialist, Victorian evocations of Merrie England tended to be somewhat sanitised. As Hutton also shows, pre-modern England also made room for darker and more riotous instincts alongside the communitarianism and faith, including barely-constrained forms of violence. For example, one popular feast-day pastime was “cockthreshing”, a game in which a live cockerel was tethered in place by one foot, while people tried to knock it over or kill it by throwing missiles. Cockfighting and badger-baiting were also popular. Still more visceral was the tradition of Shrovetide football games, which had no rules at all, and were described by Sir Thomas Elyot in 1531 as “nothing but beastly fury and extreme violence, whereof proceedeth hurt”.
Shrovetide football survives today in one location: the Royal Atherstone match, which ended in 2023 with a brutal crowd punch-up outside a betting shop. Watching the footage, I can sort of see where the Roundheads were coming from. But it also looks fun. And yet if Victorian social reformers recoiled from “fun” in this medieval English sense, this was surely due to a not wholly unreasonable feeling that Merrie England’s regular outlets for “idleness, intoxication and riot” were, under industrial conditions, impossibly socially destructive. Indeed, corresponding efforts to curb its excesses were in evidence well before the Fabian group was formed: in 1855, for example, a Parliamentary bill sought to restrict Sunday trading, and especially the sale of alcohol, in the hopes that this would encourage the lower orders to church-going and godly abstemiousness.
But Sunday was the only day off for many, and these workers resented having their leisure options curtailed. When they protested, even their reaction expressed Merrie England’s ancient tradition of violence-as-leisure: at the resulting demonstration in Hyde Park, crowds hauled a large eel out of the Serpentine and threw it at the police line, before engaging in pitched, window-smashing battle with officers. They didn’t even stop rioting after the bill was withdrawn; in the view of the Manchester Guardian, the protest had by then escaped its “original and well-meaning authors” and was now driven by “a set of ne’er-do-wells for whom there is no expostulation so suitable as a thick stick”.
And this hints in turn at the deeper subtext to complaints about Starmer’s approach to smoking and greasy food. Though few would spell this out, proposed crackdowns on smoking and junk food feel of a piece with his brusque handling of the recent riots in Southport and elsewhere. And this can only be via something unmentionable even among conservatives: the fact that for many, violence is less “the language of the unheard”, as Martin Luther King put it, than just fun.
Though ever more methodically stripped of official outlets, from the Reformation onwards, this has remained visibly the case for at least a subset of young English men. There are football hooligans, of course; but sometimes, in an echo of the Sunday trading riots, it also passes for political activism. In my Left-wing youth, for example, May Day marches usually meant an appearance by “the Wombles”, a far-Left gang that would don thick padding and bicycle helmets and pick riotously violent fights with the police, ostensibly to Left-wing ends but mostly — we all suspected — because they enjoyed it. More recent instances of the same phenomenon include “Antifa” and, we can reasonably surmise, a good many of those who smashed up their neighbourhoods over recent weeks for ostensibly political reasons.
So should our leaders go beyond keeping the peace, and try to stamp out all forms of “fun”? The last time anyone Fabian-aligned got a sniff of power they nixed the last great holdout for Merrie England’s love of seasonal riot and casual animal cruelty: fox hunting. No doubt those of more Fabian sensibility today will argue that we can and should: that street violence is not a legitimate form of “fun”, any more than animal abuse, or indeed self-destructive behaviours such as smoking or eating fried food. We must be saved from ourselves. In any case, it doesn’t really matter what any of us thinks; Labour’s majority affords them a free hand to try. Those with any residual sympathy for England’s ancient streak of anarchy must brace themselves for a very un-merry few years.
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In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread – Genesis 3:19
There are large number of people that scam and lie and avoid working because they just don’t want to, and then they squeeze the British taxpayer ever tighter. If the UK really wants to see some economic growth reducing welfare has to be one of the steps, along with their thousands of steaming piles of regulations. It’s simple if you are taking from society but not contributing then someone else is working to support you while you do nothing, and you have become an exploiter of your fellow man.
There is a place for charity and taking care of the less fortunate but having met many people that are on “disability”, it would be good to remove many of them.
This article is a parody, right?
Can’t seem to post properly.
The British government is not attacking the disabled and people ill with horrible conditions. It is looking at the millions who have not returned to work since the 2020-21 lockdown citing anxiety (20somethings, generally), or so called ‘long COVID’ (those a decade or less from retirement).
To my mind, Liz Kendall has always been Labour’s great hope since the mid-2010s. In fact, I think she is their only hope left now. Though I wish to see her party gone, I wish her all the luck anyway- she just might save her country.
‘From each according to their ability’. Is the author saying that all these millions have no ability? None at all? All the encouragement those ‘too anxious to work’ need is to be assigned to a job within their capabilities. Roadside litter picking. What could be better therapy? Fresh air, gentle exercise, like-minded company or solitude, measurable achievement, and a real contribution to society.
Life’s not easy. The core group of people who have genuine problems are now swamped by the easy-riders. There’s no solution apart from make it tough for all. The core group suffer, but there’s no way round it. The financial costs and the corrosive social effects of letting easy-riders get away with it are not sustainable. It’s not the government’s fault, or ours. The fault lies with the scroungers.
How many pensioners have frozen to death so far this winter?
The real issue is not welfare fraud but an huge increase in welfare dependency. Post Covid a significant proportion of the normally working population have found out they can survive on State Welfare payments and avoid the inconvenience of regular work at no significant detriment to their lifestyle . Further, our overworked and hence increasingly elusive GPs are keen to avoid hassle and so are happy to endorse the dubious claims of physical unfitness or mental stress which their customers increasingly make. I am not sure how to stop this vicious circle but I believe the answer is in the hands of the GPs. It seems to me that they usually do what they are paid more money to do. So, give them some achievable targets and pay them to solve the problem. I feel sure they will sort matters out. It could be a very worthwhile vestment.
If the author’s point is that any reform will be botched by the British state, then I’m in full agreement. But, as other posters have more eloquently explained, we can’t just keep throwing money at rapidly growing cohort of people “deemed incapable of work”. It’s demented.
No analysis of why there are so many ‘disabled’ people, when workplaces have never been safer and work has never been physically less demanding.
Hasn’t the big increase come in people with mental health conditions rather than physical disability, though? While I’m reasonably sympathetic to their plight, I don’t understand why they can get as much in benefits as people with severe physical disabilities, whose cost of living is often considerably more than a non-disabled person’s.
In one breath Labour are supposed to be on the side of the sick, the downtrodden, the poor and unfortunate who come from the working class strata of society. In another they are accused of favouring their core voter in the CS, NHS and the rail unions with inflationary pay rises. Yet another sees them causing harm to pensioners, the mentally unwell and gender confused.
Their recent policies seem to set them against all strata. Unemployment adds to the poor mix, inflation devalues the pay rises and general discretionary spending, hardship engenders mental health and other problems.
An outsider could suspect they are talking themselves out of a job. It’s what Sunak was doing pre July ’24.
Seems to be the case that anyone with any sort of mental issue should not be expected to work. I just do not believe that more than 4 million people fall into this category. Apart from the fact that many are self assessed I know it is possible to have a mental issue and still work effectively. I have suffered from depression for years and while this led to three instances of sickness absences of 6 weeks or so with counselling tools and medication I was able to work and produce good results. It is a crime to leave millions to rot in a state of semi-poverty while employers need workers.
Granted, there has to be a reset which has the aim to encourage and support people to make positive contributions. I agree, the increased numbers of people affected by mental health conditions cannot be ignored. How this is tackled in a fair manner is no easy task. We are ultimately heading towards a bumpy ride where interest groups will have to battle out to protect their level of support. I would however find it incredibly hard to believe that a labour government (no fan of) would abruptly scrap the Limited Capability for Work category which would lead so many into extreme poverty.
Have you ever been suicidal? Or woken up each morning wishing you had not? Please do not compare your experience to that of others.
With its employer NIC changes causing, or about to cause, tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of job losses, where does Labour think(if that’s not an oxymoron) these people are going to get jobs?
Worth thinking about how leftist media, including the BBC, would be reacting if the tories did the same.
All of their histrionics about ‘hurting the poor’ is for show. Never let them take the moral high-ground on any issue, because it’s all fake.
It seems to me that a key element is to revisit the Victorian ‘poor’ definition:
Those who could work, those who choose not to work, those who cannot work
Do we know how many who are fit to work if their circumstances changed? How many choose not to work and claim benefits? How many cannot work? Unless you have a reasonable grasp of the numbers you don’t even know the size of the problem you are trying to fix.
This is not a party political issue. Nor a tribal/class one. Nor something that’s going to be fixed by emotive diatribes like this article.
The welfare system is both broken and failing many of its recipients. This is all well known and understood – and certainly by those it is failing.
It simply cannot be correct that work-preventing illness has massively increased over the past few years. Nor that people can self-certify themselves as too sick to work.
I don’t blame those claiming the benefits here. They have to play the cards they’ve been dealt. They deserve better – even more so than the taxpayers underwriting the current mess.
I am just reading “The Road to 1945” by Paul Addison. This is the story of the growth of Socialism during the war years. The Labour Party used the emergency of war to insist that the working man would not be willing to contribute to the war effort unless the union leaders were in the War Cabinet, helping to make all the decisions. Then, through the war the Conservative leaders (but not Churchill) began to see that the unions had a point. Labour won the general election of 1945 and brought in the social changes, like the NHS.
In 1939, the leaders of the country wore top hats and suits when they went to work. They ate meat, when the poor could not afford it. They had cars and sometimes chauffeurs. They usually ate out in top restaurants. At the beginning of the war, many children were evacuated from poor families in the cities to live in middle class country homes and when they arrived they were often described as verminous, not understanding about general sanitation, never washing, disease-ridden, totally lacking in education, wild, petty-thieving, etc. The difference between the rich and poor was so obvious that when everybody was thrown together in wartime, it was clear. Something had to be done.
Today, poor is described as earning less than a certain percentage of the median wage. So if Elon Musk moved into Wales as a taxpayer (obviously not a real example because he wouldn’t come to Wales and he wouldn’t pay tax) the number of poor people would rise. This is stupid. Today, the poor are not lacking in basic education, unless by choice, have places to live if they want them, have cars and televisions and computers and the latest mobile phones – maybe even foreign holidays. Today the true ‘poor’ are probably those who rely on the old-age-pension.
As an aside, I often see unemployed people (and pensioners) walking their dogs. There are long queues outside our local vets. How much does it cost to keep a big dog? I certainly couldn’t afford one.
To treat all of the poor people who have mental problems, we would need about 1 million new trained psychiatrists. Watch the NHS cope with that one!!
Try a Springer Spaniel, cheap to feed BUT needs 5 miles a day, EVERY day and lives for about 13.5 years.*
Some can even do CPR when required!
*That’s just under 25,000 miles.
Glad someone with fire in their heart has written about this. Prior to Two Tiers rise, I was active in the Labour party. On the left many of us called her Liz Tory. Didn’t realise that would turn out to be a complement!
The author unconsciously gives the game away when he protests that those “deemed too ill to work will soon find themselves employable by government decree”.
Deemed: judged, regarded.
Work: engaged in a physical or mental activity.
It is an insult to those who genuinely are incapable of engaging in physical or mental activities for the state to judge more than 4 million people are now unable to engage in physical or mental activity.
The numbers are telling. In just 1 year the number of benefit awards has risen by a staggering 9%. There has been no war or epidemic in the last year increasing incapacity. The only explanation is there’s been an increase in the “deeming” of disability over and above the underlying change in actual disability.
What could possibly incentivise those capable of mental or physical activity to apply for higher incapacity benefits…?
What sort of sick empathy is it to deem those who are capable of far more as so incapacitated that they are entirely incapable of any mental or physical capacity?
Reasons like “I have anxiety” and “that’s not the sort of job I want” isn’t an excuse. I’ve entirely had enough of socialism after the last 10 years having seen myself as on the left most of my life. Rise or fall by your own efforts. The list of what you are entitled to and what the world owes you is a blank sheet of paper.
Welfare is not an entitlement. It’s a system for helping only those who absolutely cannot help themselves. Not a buffer for people who can’t be bothered or think themselves above certain jobs. If you were above it it wouldnt be on your radar in the first place.
Whilst it’s laudable that you’ve come to your senses, why does it take yet another example of socialism failing – after every other example has failed – for sense to arrive? Why are many people incapable of understanding the lessons of history, and more importantly, human nature, from the outset?
It’s sheer arrogance. Always the same with the Left, far too arrogant to think they may not be right, until they are personally affected, then suddenly they see the light, but sadly that doesn’t undo the damage their mindless arrogance has supported formerly.
I’m going to say something controversial here, for which I anticipate a plethora of downvotes. But it feels important to me.
I salute the gen Z’s who say “I have anxiety” and “that’s not the sort of job I want”. I salute them for the following reasons.
The times have changed. Priorities have changed. Why should anyone have to do a job they hate? Our grandparents did, and many died young. What a waste of the precious gift of a life, to use it up in meaningless tasks. Yes, you have to earn your keep and pay your bills (although most Gen Z’s can never aspire to own their own house unless they inherit the money to buy one).
Even though I am a healthy baby boomer, I notice that I feel physically unwell these days when I find myself in a situation that is uncongenial. Maybe I’m being a wimp, or maybe the Gen Z’s are articulating a reality that we will all find ourselves in.
The world the Gen Z’s have grown up into is what has emerged from the platform laid down by previous generations. They are questioning the constraints that we took as part of the furniture of our world, just as the 1990s saw a questioning of the infallibility of the medical profession, the church and more.
I don’t know what this means for the state welfare system, but it is my belief that something has shifted and our social structures have yet to catch up.
Grandparents did jobs they didn’t like because they knew it would improve their lot in life. You could tolerate doing an unenjoyable job if you knew it would lead to you owning your own home and your family being much more financially comfortable later in life.
However with house prices now climbing ever further out of reach, there’s little incentive to stick out a job you don’t enjoy. If your financial situation is never going to improve then what’s the point?
Financial logic hasn’t shifted. Your expectations that others must pay has.
They should think about contributing to their society. And that would be learning some work skills and discipline for a while, then devoting some extra time to continuing education to reorientate themselves in the career they prefer. This sickness benefit phenomenon is an indication of the excess individualism of a lost culture.
Of course there is some justification for GenZ to be anxious and want better. What isn’t justified is asking others to pay them to do nothing.
I’m going to say something controversial here, for which I anticipate a plethora of downvotes. But it feels important to me.
I salute the gen Z’s who say “I have anxiety” and “that’s not the sort of job I want”. I salute them for the following reasons.
The times have changed. Priorities have changed. Why should anyone have to do a job they hate? Our grandparents did, and many died young. What a waste of the precious gift of a life, to use it up in meaningless tasks. Yes, you have to earn your keep and pay your bills (although most Gen Z’s can never aspire to own their own house unless they inherit the money to buy one).
Even though I am a healthy baby boomer, I notice that I feel physically unwell these days when I find myself in a situation that is uncongenial. Maybe I’m being a wimp, or maybe the Gen Z’s are articulating a reality that we will all find ourselves in.
The world the Gen Z’s have grown up into is what has emerged from the platform laid down by previous generations. They are questioning the constraints that we took as part of the furniture of our world, just as the 1990s saw a questioning of the infallibility of the medical profession, the church and more.
I don’t know what this means for the state welfare system, but it is my belief that something has shifted and our social structures have yet to catch up.
“Why should anyone have to do a job they hate?”
For money, for continuity of employment, for the habit of working, that’s why. All the while doing what you can to improve your prospects for the future either in that job or outside of it. The alternative of leeching off people who do work and do have a sense of responsibility is to disgrace yourself more than anything.
I’m going to say something controversial here, for which I anticipate a plethora of downvotes. But it feels important to me.
I salute the gen Z’s who say “I have anxiety” and “that’s not the sort of job I want”. I salute them for the following reasons.
The times have changed. Priorities have changed. Why should anyone have to do a job they hate? Our grandparents did, and many died young. What a waste of the precious gift of a life, to use it up in meaningless tasks. Yes, you have to earn your keep and pay your bills (although most Gen Z’s can never aspire to own their own house unless they inherit the money to buy one).
Even though I am a healthy baby boomer, I notice that I feel physically unwell these days when I find myself in a situation that is uncongenial. Maybe I’m being a wimp, or maybe the Gen Z’s are articulating a reality that we will all find ourselves in.
The world the Gen Z’s have grown up into is what has emerged from the platform laid down by previous generations. They are questioning the constraints that we took as part of the furniture of our world, just as the 1990s saw a questioning of the infallibility of the medical profession, the church and more.
I don’t know what this means for the state welfare system, but it is my belief that something has shifted and our social structures have yet to catch up.
“Why should anyone have to do a job they hate?”
For money, for continuity of employment, for the habit of working, that’s why. All the while doing what you can to improve your prospects for the future either in that job or outside of it. The alternative of leeching off people who do work and do have a sense of responsibility is to disgrace yourself more than anything.
Do you really need to repeat yourself three times?
I heard of one poor chap, THREE MONTHS short of retirement age, being put through hell because he wasn’t trying hard enough to find a job. Think about it: he applied. Closing date for applications a fortnight later. Shortlisting another fortnight. That’s six weeks so far. He gets an interview, and his acceptance letter arrives a week later. He then has to wait a week or more for references to be returned.
EIGHT WEEKS before his first day’s work. He needs a couple of weeks to learn the ropes, and BINGO—he’s reached retirement age and quite rightly quits the job. This, more than anything, illustrated the stupidity of the system.
Some of this makes much sense when considered in the abstract. In the real world, paid work does not simply equal engagement in physical or mental activity. It generally means performing your tasks to a high enough standard that it’s profitable to employ you, taking into account things like your how you collaborate with the rest of your team. We may not have a technical epidemic here in UK, but we do have concerning long term crisis in line with your numbers, for example emergency referrals & clinical diagnoses for certain mental health conditions have been rising by over 10% year on year. Not sure it’s going to be a net benefit even on strict economic grounds to have such people forced into the UK workforce. Social contagion is a thing. All this said, of course you have a valid point, there is a balance to be had between a too discriminating & too generous welfare system.
There is no need for those people to be “profit generating” if they are employed in basic public sector functions. It might even be better to just get half of them digging holes – and the other half filling them in. That might also shift their thinking.
Sort of care in the community
The public sector is exactly where the unfit will end up. Short hours, no targets, generous sick pay. The private sector will not want the burden so the tax payer will keep on footing the bill.
Then people would complain that money was being spent on the public sector and nothing was getting done, even worse than is currently the case
Firstly, without sufficient ‘profit generation’, any group will ‘run out of money’, with the consequences depending on what sort of group it is.
It’s obvious that ‘profit making activities’, like manufacturing, need to make a profit so other, necessary, maintenance activities can be financed, like running hospitals, sports centres and mending roads. All are needed to ensure a fully functioning economy in the future.
While not ‘profit centres’, these maintenance activities are ‘cost reduction’ centres, where capital, such as a trained expert, or a road, can be kept productive, and not discarded due to ‘ill health’. Fortunately, our economic system allows these to run in a similar manner, but, instead of ‘increasing profit’, their aim should be to ‘reducing costs’. And the public can see, with taxes at their highest for over 70 years, that this is not being done.
You don’t analyse why diagnoses and referrals for mental health conditions have been rising. You just accept it as a given and inevitable.
I’ve done a lot of work in state/council houses over the years and there’s a lot of truth in what you say. Whilst there are inevitably people who take the pi$$ (bad back was always a good one) the bulk of them in those houses are simply unemployable. Most are pleasant enough people but they simply wouldn’t be profitable to employ due to a lack of intellectual and mental capabilities, even if those problems are relatively low level.
Indeed. There’s dignity in work and if some can be moved to subsidized or workfare type employment which I think Ian Barton is suggesting, that might be great. But there’s going to be limits to such schemes, reaslistically letting many stay on benefits is likely the best alternative.
I’m going to say something controversial here
But did you really need to say it three times running?
I do wonder whether a universal basic income isn’t a possible solution to this. Seeing as something like half the country are already net takers at the tax trough, it’s probably less relatively expensive than you’d think, and with that, do away with all benefits. You’d save the costs of assessing and distributing them, people who couldn’t work would still have an income, and those that actually could but for whom it just isn’t worth it would return to the workforce.
Of course, you’d really have to do something about immigration then.
Its impossible to go from a means tested benefit system to a universal one, because by definition if you have have a pot of money available to pay out as benefits if you spread it over everyone rather than just those at the bottom, each former means tested claimant is going to get less than they used to, because they are sharing with everyone else. And if no one is to lose out then everyone else has to be given the same benefits as those claiming today get. Which even allowing for some of it being taxed back again would be many times the current benefits bill.
And of course there’s the whole housing benefit and sick benefit systems to be taken into account – if you fold all of them into one universal payment you find that the person who is a bit depressed gets the same as a quadriplegic. And the person renting a house in London gets the same as person renting one in Darlington. But if you don’t fold those benefits into the universal system then there’s still a massive incentive to get yourself on those lists, just as there is now.
There just is no way to get from where we are, to a UBI. It cannot be done, outside a tyrannical dictatorship.
To get more people into work and off benefits just scrap income tax below a certain threshold – say £30k
I read that this is a WEF policy: to keep the untermensch fed and housed and quiet!
I believe that changing the rules of the welfare state is the equivalent of moving the deck chairs on the RMS Titanic.
Remember? The welfare state was going to solve poverty. I believe that every welfare-state program Makes Things Worse.
If you read about the UK rape gangs, you find that nearly all the raped girls had no father in the home.
So, experts and politicians and social scientists and Scots rappers: how do we get fathers back into the homes of the lower orders?
They don’t see the problem.
Good government jobs for social workers. And they will vote the right way.
Just have to sacrifice some people that need a hand up. But that’s something they are willing to risk.
My grandfathers dad did a runner and abandoned his family to move in with a new bird at the other end of the country. Have a read of Angela’s Ashes and many blokes moved to England, never to return.
It’s not a new phenomenon