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The truth about Germany’s levelling up Only catastrophe can restructure a society

Get ready for Länderfinanzausgleich (Colin Campbell/Getty Images)


January 31, 2023   6 mins

Whenever Britain starts talking about decentralisation, Germany is reliably trotted out as a shining example of how to do it right. In 2004, for instance, the Guardian’s Matthew Tempest called Germany “perhaps the most advanced example of decentralised government”. And last week, Andy Burnham, mayor of Greater Manchester, made the unoriginal suggestion that German methods should be deployed to address Britain’s crippling regional inequality. “This is what real levelling up looks like,” Burnham gushed, again in the (formerly Manchester) Guardian: “a basic law in the German constitution requiring equality between the 16 states.”

His words echo those of Germany’s minister of state for eastern Germany, who had just been to visit. Joining Burnham at the Conference of the North, Carsten Schneider said: “The goal of creating equal living conditions everywhere in Germany can even be found in our constitution. There are good reasons for it. If regions are drifting apart, it is bad for everyone. If a variety of regions flourish, the whole country will prosper.”

“When you visit Germany,” Burnham wrote, “you can see and feel the success of this policy wherever you go in the high standards of transport infrastructure and the public realm.” Obviously, Burnham has never taken Deutsche Bahn. Thanks to ageing infrastructure and a huge investment backlog, Germany’s railways just are no longer very punctual. An investigation by ARD in September, found the rail network was on the “brink of collapse”. And, as in the UK, it is a symbol of Germany’s failure to invest equally in all its regions.

The policy lionised by centre-Left politicians like Schneider and Burnham is the mammoth project known as Aufbau Ost, the rebuilding of the former communist East over the last 30 years. When the two were reunified, the West’s GDP was 50% higher than the East’s; visiting the latter when I was a teenager felt like travelling back in time to a vaguely dystopian past with tiny, sputtering plastic cars, the ubiquitous whiff of coal smoke, and a vast shortage of house paint and non-scratchy toilet paper. Chancellor Helmut Kohl promised “blossoming landscapes” in the East when the Berlin Wall fell. The opposite happened. Industrial production fell by 70%. A third of eastern factories were shuttered; many were sold for a pittance to westerners. Joblessness exploded. The investment flowing in couldn’t stem the haemorrhage. By 1995, the alarmed Kohl government had forged a plan to properly fund the Aufbau, which he named the Solidarpakt: the “solidarity pact”. The plan was designed to honour the constitutional clause vaunted by Burnham, which makes the federal government responsible for the “creation of equivalent living conditions” across the land.

What constitutes equivalent conditions is, of course, open to interpretation. Conservatives usually understand it to mean equality of public infrastructure — roads, railways, telecommunications. But the Left often stress that it should also mean similar wage and pension levels. Periodically, the state governments bicker over the details of the formulas, with suggestions of tweaks that would work in their favour. Nonetheless, the principle of federal redistribution has remained robust.

After all, the Solidarpakt turbocharged a system that had actually been in place since 1949, when the Federal Republic was created under the watchful eyes of the occupying Allies. That system is known as the Länderfinanzausgleich (literally: “State Financial Equalisation”), and grew out of another article in the constitution, which states that “it shall be ensured by law… that the different financial strength of the Länder is adequately compensated for”. Essentially, it regulates the transfer of tax revenue from richer Länder (states) to poorer ones.

But in the Nineties, the Länderfinanzausgleich didn’t provide nearly enough money to prevent total economic meltdown in the East. For this, hundreds of billions were needed. A new temporary “solidarity surcharge” to fund the East appeared on wage slips as 7.5% of Germans’ income tax. Petrol taxes were raised. In addition, large special funds were set up to finance culture, police and infrastructure in Berlin, commensurate with the city’s status as the new-old capital of the reunified country. Additional hundreds of billions of euros flowed into the East, in the form of state pensions that recognised the working lives of easterners, even if they’d been working in a system that had collapsed and whose currency was almost worthless.

Nobody knows exactly how much reunification “cost”, because there are so many different ways of calculating it, but it’s certainly well over a trillion euros. Aufbau Ost was a huge burden on the economy, but it meant that the “new federal states” soon received smooth autobahns and glittering train stations. Town centres and castles from the Baltic to the Czech border were impeccably renovated. Gradually, the solidarity tax was lowered. Today, only high earners pay the surcharge.

Would the English ever accept such a burden? Despite complaints in the press, West Germans generally saw it as a duty towards their brethren who suffered under communism. The fall of the Berlin Wall gave the project an unprecedented historical urgency. There simply was no alternative. Can one really imagine London and the Home Countries taking one for the North? For as long as it really takes to make a difference?

And how inspired should we be by Germany anyway? Länderfinanzausgleich is complicated in a way that only Germany can do complicated: Sueddeutsche Zeitung once wrote that only a few dozen people actually understand how it works — which shouldn’t be the case in a democracy.

And though the work of “levelling up” Germany has come a very long way, it is by no means finished. Many cities in the East — Leipzig, Dresden, Berlin — are more prosperous than some of their western equivalents. The country’s unemployment deadbeat is no longer the capital, but Bremen, in the North-West. But income levels in the East remain stubbornly lower: in 2020, the average gross salary, at €36,499, was still €7,440 lower than in the West.

Other vectors point to inequality as well. According to a study by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation, a think tank linked to the centre-Left SPD, most rural areas in the East are in a “lasting structural crisis” — thanks to depopulation, low wages and not enough broadband. Many smaller Western cities also struggle with deindustrialisation and rising poverty — not unlike the North of England. Levelling up hasn’t prevented their decline. Nevertheless, most of the net recipients of Länderfinanzausgleich are still in the East.

Then there is the capital — that strange spawn of East and West — which, although it now displays above-average growth, still receives the largest helping out of the pot: €3.6 billion from a total of €17 billion in 2021. It receives additional billions, too, from a separate federal fund for troubled regions, because otherwise the city wouldn’t be able to service its €60 billion in debt. This has been met with grumbling in certain parts of the nation. Though Berlin has rebounded, it is still considered run-down, decrepit and lawless by the rest of the country. When, on New Year’s Eve, youths attacked and injured police and first responders with fireworks in war-like scenes on the streets of Berlin, Bavarian leaders railed against the “chaotic” capital. Once a poor rural kingdom populated by Lederhosen-wearing yokels, Bavaria was a net recipient of financial transfers until the late Eighties. Now, it leads Germany in everything from tourism to tech to education.

Why, Bavarians asked, should they fund the “failed state” of Berlin, which can’t even maintain order — and has to re-do a local election next month because of rampant irregularities?

Likewise, when Berlin decided to become the first and only German state to offer free day-care a few years ago, the protest coming out of Munich was loud: why should we pay for something those loser Berliners, with their €60 billion in debt, can scarcely afford? On such occasions, politicians from richer states inevitably demand reform: a kind of anti-levelling-up. Last week Bavarian finance minister Albert Füracker said he no longer wanted to fund Berlin’s “feel-good programmes” and  announced Bavaria would challenge the Länderfinanzausgleich in the constitutional court. Should someone tell Andy Burnham?

Just like in Britain, Germany’s capital indubitably gets more than its fair share. Can we, then, really be holding the nation up as a model for levelling up? And, perhaps more to the point: is the Herculean challenge of grafting a bankrupt former communist country onto a modern capitalist economy in any way comparable to the task of tackling industrial decline and a lack of investment in regions like North Eastern England or Wales? Can Britain learn from Germany, or is the German solution too, well, German?

To fully answer this question, we need to look beyond the birth of the Länderfinanzausgleich to the history the policy grew out of. That history is radically different from England’s. Until Prussia bundled together most of the German-speaking lands into an empire (the Second Reich) in 1871, the place we call Germany comprised dozens of kingdoms and dukedoms. No single metropolis lorded over the rest. England, on the other hand, became a country in the year 927. The monarch’s government has been collecting tax from its perch in London for more than a millennium. Only with the Third Reich did Germany truly centralise power (and finances) in Berlin. We know how that went.

After the war, the country was purposefully re-crafted to have no strong centre. Although Berlin is beginning to flourish economically again — it attracts more start-up capital than any other German city — it will never be a London, generating the bulk of the nation’s wealth then distributing it like a whimsical king. To disrupt structures so deep-rooted takes a catastrophe, or else decades of slow change. German “devolution” was originally imposed by the force of a few words in a constitution, dictated by occupying powers, the country having been at the stage of some of the 20th century’s most harrowing dramas. The collapse of two dictatorships demanded drastic measures. England has not seen such severe upheavals in modern times.

An awareness of history and a deep desire for stability means the German state has been willing to take on huge tasks — and throw real money at them — in a way that might seem foreign and exaggerated to some in Westminster. I’m not sure Andy Burnham realises the scale of change required to transform England’s system into something like Germany’s. One might dream of transforming the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland into a federation. Maybe that’s what it really takes to achieve more equality. But would London ever agree to such a radical move? Muddling through, having the provinces beg for crumbs, probably suits the capital just fine.


Maurice Frank co-founded the English magazine Exberliner and now co-writes the newsletter 20 Percent Berlin. 

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R Meinen
R Meinen
1 year ago

Andy has obviously not been to Germany. I have lived in Munich for 15 years. There is no levelling up. If politicians tell you, they are lying. Most if not all German politicians, are selfserving and do not care about the people. You can be a patriot if you come from Ukraine (1.5m have) but if you are German patriot you are called a nazi. I helped 8 old people during the pandemic in Munich. They worked 70 years but their pension is €600. Around the corner from us 2 ex boardmembers of the Landesbank receive €25.000 per month although they dumped about 10bn of bad debt on the German people. Politicians are in for the money. Period. European Parliament is even worse. But the UK has the same problem.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  R Meinen

I have been to Germany (as an American):
Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Leipzig, Dresden, Chemnitz, Erlangen (Vienna, Salzburg, Innsbruck, St, Anton, Lech).
Have I seen all of Germany? Of course not! Who has?
The reality is that East Germany is much better thanks to unification.
All in all it has been a great success.

Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

I have been to Germany (as an American): Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Leipzig, Dresden, Chemnitz, Erlangen (Vienna, Salzburg, Innsbruck, St, Anton, Lech).
On $10 a day? God be with the days.
I met an American in Munich once and he wanted to know if he was in Germany or Austria!

Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

I have been to Germany (as an American): Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Leipzig, Dresden, Chemnitz, Erlangen (Vienna, Salzburg, Innsbruck, St, Anton, Lech).
On $10 a day? God be with the days.
I met an American in Munich once and he wanted to know if he was in Germany or Austria!

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  R Meinen

I would second that. I have often been surprised by the sudden changes you see as you travel through Germany. And it’s not just in the East…I remember a couple of years back a distinctly pot-holed and weed covered autobahn up in the NW.

Kevin Dee
Kevin Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  R Meinen

Funnily enough Patriots are called Nazis in all the other western nations as well.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  R Meinen

I have been to Germany (as an American):
Berlin, Munich, Frankfurt, Cologne, Dusseldorf, Hamburg, Leipzig, Dresden, Chemnitz, Erlangen (Vienna, Salzburg, Innsbruck, St, Anton, Lech).
Have I seen all of Germany? Of course not! Who has?
The reality is that East Germany is much better thanks to unification.
All in all it has been a great success.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  R Meinen

I would second that. I have often been surprised by the sudden changes you see as you travel through Germany. And it’s not just in the East…I remember a couple of years back a distinctly pot-holed and weed covered autobahn up in the NW.

Kevin Dee
Kevin Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  R Meinen

Funnily enough Patriots are called Nazis in all the other western nations as well.

R Meinen
R Meinen
1 year ago

Andy has obviously not been to Germany. I have lived in Munich for 15 years. There is no levelling up. If politicians tell you, they are lying. Most if not all German politicians, are selfserving and do not care about the people. You can be a patriot if you come from Ukraine (1.5m have) but if you are German patriot you are called a nazi. I helped 8 old people during the pandemic in Munich. They worked 70 years but their pension is €600. Around the corner from us 2 ex boardmembers of the Landesbank receive €25.000 per month although they dumped about 10bn of bad debt on the German people. Politicians are in for the money. Period. European Parliament is even worse. But the UK has the same problem.

Roger Inkpen
Roger Inkpen
1 year ago

A rather defeatist article. No, Britain is not Germany. But today’s Germany is not the West Germany is was for 40 years before taking on the economic basket case in the east.
The author will have seen Berlin before reunification – a shining temple to capitalism, beautifully kept and spotlessly clean. Even then of course it was sucking money from the west, but German prosperity isn’t really built on richer parts contributing to poorer parts.
Of course we have that with London generating most of the wealth and sharing it around the land. But that’s not working, with or without ‘levelling up’. What we need is a stronger sense of ownership within those poorer regions. Give them the chance to set their own taxes, like VAT, and set levels of public sector pay that reflect local living costs, not always keeping up with more expensive parts.
That needs strong, accountable, democratic institutions devolved from Westminster.
Or should we just muddle on?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Roger Inkpen

Levelling up will cost real money, and not gov papers about Florence or Jericho.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  Roger Inkpen

Just after reunification I was working for a West German company.
Like many in that period, their objective was to buy up East German companies and use them to branch out into all ex-soviet territories — the East German employees all spoke Russian and understood the ex-Soviet territories.
I suspect many East German factories closed down simply because their new owners were not interested in their production. They wanted the office workers to be their Eastern European branch office, and the blue collar workers to make service networks.
This did pay off. Germany quickly dominated the whole Eastern European marketplace.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

East German factories closed because the new managements would have had to pay BMW wages to workers building Trabants. The output of East German factories was only marketable in East Europe and even then only until those markets started to buy Western and Asian products. To pay West German wages companies needed to produce Western standard goods in factories equipped with the same machinery as Western factories.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Sounds like another one of those inconvenient facts.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Sounds like another one of those inconvenient facts.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

East German factories closed because the new managements would have had to pay BMW wages to workers building Trabants. The output of East German factories was only marketable in East Europe and even then only until those markets started to buy Western and Asian products. To pay West German wages companies needed to produce Western standard goods in factories equipped with the same machinery as Western factories.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Roger Inkpen

I always thought your suggestion is a brilliant idea. When the Wall came down and money was pouring into East Germany, I wondered why they couldn‘t lower taxes and make business regulations easier to settle there. Nowadays the leftwing/green chaotic City of Berlin is sucking in money from successfully governed Conservative “Länder”. We can also see the same happening in the US. Thousands of middle and smaller companies are leaving California to settle in Tennessee, Texas or Florida, because of their business friendly environment and taxes. This in my opinion would be the real levelling up. Many Americans cynically call California a Socialist Republic with their high income taxes, business unfriendly red tapes as Governor Newsom and many Mayors of major cities seem to come up monthly with “brilliant” new socialist concepts. Latest one is to charge big companies “exit taxes”, who want to leave the State, and the council of San Francisco wants to pay every Afro American a million in Reparations.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

There is no clearer argument for the U.S. voters in the 2024 election, which will likely be between the governor of California (D) and the governor of Florida (R).
Over the last several years, the former had the largest number of people leave the state and the latter had the largest number of people moving into the state. People have already voted with their feet. At this rate, California will need to build a wall to keep people in.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

There is no clearer argument for the U.S. voters in the 2024 election, which will likely be between the governor of California (D) and the governor of Florida (R).
Over the last several years, the former had the largest number of people leave the state and the latter had the largest number of people moving into the state. People have already voted with their feet. At this rate, California will need to build a wall to keep people in.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Roger Inkpen

Levelling up will cost real money, and not gov papers about Florence or Jericho.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago
Reply to  Roger Inkpen

Just after reunification I was working for a West German company.
Like many in that period, their objective was to buy up East German companies and use them to branch out into all ex-soviet territories — the East German employees all spoke Russian and understood the ex-Soviet territories.
I suspect many East German factories closed down simply because their new owners were not interested in their production. They wanted the office workers to be their Eastern European branch office, and the blue collar workers to make service networks.
This did pay off. Germany quickly dominated the whole Eastern European marketplace.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Roger Inkpen

I always thought your suggestion is a brilliant idea. When the Wall came down and money was pouring into East Germany, I wondered why they couldn‘t lower taxes and make business regulations easier to settle there. Nowadays the leftwing/green chaotic City of Berlin is sucking in money from successfully governed Conservative “Länder”. We can also see the same happening in the US. Thousands of middle and smaller companies are leaving California to settle in Tennessee, Texas or Florida, because of their business friendly environment and taxes. This in my opinion would be the real levelling up. Many Americans cynically call California a Socialist Republic with their high income taxes, business unfriendly red tapes as Governor Newsom and many Mayors of major cities seem to come up monthly with “brilliant” new socialist concepts. Latest one is to charge big companies “exit taxes”, who want to leave the State, and the council of San Francisco wants to pay every Afro American a million in Reparations.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
Roger Inkpen
Roger Inkpen
1 year ago

A rather defeatist article. No, Britain is not Germany. But today’s Germany is not the West Germany is was for 40 years before taking on the economic basket case in the east.
The author will have seen Berlin before reunification – a shining temple to capitalism, beautifully kept and spotlessly clean. Even then of course it was sucking money from the west, but German prosperity isn’t really built on richer parts contributing to poorer parts.
Of course we have that with London generating most of the wealth and sharing it around the land. But that’s not working, with or without ‘levelling up’. What we need is a stronger sense of ownership within those poorer regions. Give them the chance to set their own taxes, like VAT, and set levels of public sector pay that reflect local living costs, not always keeping up with more expensive parts.
That needs strong, accountable, democratic institutions devolved from Westminster.
Or should we just muddle on?

SIMON WOLF
SIMON WOLF
1 year ago

Any Brit who has ever followed their soccer team to an away European match will tell you Germany is the best country for organising soccer matches for away fans.The worst region is Southern Italy.

SIMON WOLF
SIMON WOLF
1 year ago

Any Brit who has ever followed their soccer team to an away European match will tell you Germany is the best country for organising soccer matches for away fans.The worst region is Southern Italy.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

Read “The American Occupation of Germany” by Peterson. Turns out the Yankee occupiers were Clue Less, so the Germans rebuilt their politics and their nation based on pre-1933 ideas.
Then one fine day in 1948, Ludwig Erhard told the Yankee occupiers that he was going to reform the currency and the economy, and the Yanks said, er, well, OK then.
Poor bloody Germans.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

Read “The American Occupation of Germany” by Peterson. Turns out the Yankee occupiers were Clue Less, so the Germans rebuilt their politics and their nation based on pre-1933 ideas.
Then one fine day in 1948, Ludwig Erhard told the Yankee occupiers that he was going to reform the currency and the economy, and the Yanks said, er, well, OK then.
Poor bloody Germans.

Galvatron Stephens
Galvatron Stephens
1 year ago

German reunification has completely failed. The West resents the taxes and the East resents the loser status.

Galvatron Stephens
Galvatron Stephens
1 year ago

German reunification has completely failed. The West resents the taxes and the East resents the loser status.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Germany is a ghastly place: I once spent 3 weeks there, and within 2 days I was aching to get back…..

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago

I’ve spent a lot of time in Germany for work, and whilst I agree I would not imagine going there for a holiday, the Germans themselves do like it!
It has all the right things, much of it is very neat, you would tick lots of boxes if you were into that sort of thing. And yet it somehow seems that German character is all about being…character less!
I remember a joke I was once told in French: If you tell an Italian what a nice garden they have, they’ll say ‘yes, we like to keep it nice so we can eat out here in the summer’. If you tell a French person what a nice garden they have, they will point out the best places to make love on a summer evening. If you tell a German what a nice garden they have, they’ll use it as an excuse to spend half an hour explaining why German gardens are so much better than other European gardens.
They take a pride in being neat, tidy and orderly. Whatever floats your boat…

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Hmmm, stereotyping after a few months of work there?

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Which are some of the qualities needed for for advanced high quality high value manufacturing. California State Government can afford to enact high taxation policies at present because the state has so many high tech companies with high profit margins. How long the high value companies paying high wages will stay in California is debatable.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Hmmm, stereotyping after a few months of work there?

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
1 year ago
Reply to  Mr Bellisarius

Which are some of the qualities needed for for advanced high quality high value manufacturing. California State Government can afford to enact high taxation policies at present because the state has so many high tech companies with high profit margins. How long the high value companies paying high wages will stay in California is debatable.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

After 3 weeks of course it is enough time to know a country and her population.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
rue boileau
rue boileau
1 year ago

What’s the purpose of the constant German bashing on this site? I have a German mom, French dad and an American husband. I’ve spent the majority of my life outside of Germany. 10 years in Paris and 22 and counting in the US – Chicago, Seattle, now Boston. Currently I’m in Hamburg and think that the quality of life here is higher than in the US, even though I’ve always lived in affluent parts of the respective American cities. Germany feels cleaner, safer, better maintained, high quality is standard (e.g. everyone drives a BMW, Audi or Mercedes, every home has Bosch appliances, all brands that are considered luxury in the US but are standard here). And the food quality, i.e. the quality of groceries and produce is also much superior to the US. I only buy expensive organic stuff in the US and still the quality absolutely sucks. What’s up with that? 
I really have to say that after 22 years, I’m sick and tired of living in America, sick and tired of the dilapidated buildings right outside the expensive neighborhoods I’ve called home. We are paying horrendously high property taxes to live right next to a slum. America is depressing and frightening, the violence and poverty is everywhere, even in well-to-do areas it’s right beneath the surface or just a short distance away. There is something very wrong with the soul of America that I find extremely disturbing.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  rue boileau

Yes, I agree that there is something extremely disturbing about the soul of America. IMO, it’s due to the decades long lurch to the Godless left, which will turn America into East Germany some day.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Any orgnisation or country ends up being controlled by the weakest links. In Germany it is the defeatist submisssive mentality towards Russia.In the USA the low level of numeracy( in the bottom third schools), literacy and absence of the self discipline needed to achieve a painstaking attention to detail, an eye for quality, precision and accuracy required for advanced manufacturing. America appears to lurch from a Prussian style discipline to a complete lack of it : what is missing is resilient self discipline and an attitude of ” If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing well”.
What appears to be a massive influence in Americ post 1960s is crass materialism, a worship of Mammon which undermines the eye for quality. Quanity is not quality.
Compare American and German cars and white goods. In the 1960s and 1970s many German cars were often lumpen, lacking elan. However, from the late 1970s styling and quality greatly improved.

Charles Hedges
Charles Hedges
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Any orgnisation or country ends up being controlled by the weakest links. In Germany it is the defeatist submisssive mentality towards Russia.In the USA the low level of numeracy( in the bottom third schools), literacy and absence of the self discipline needed to achieve a painstaking attention to detail, an eye for quality, precision and accuracy required for advanced manufacturing. America appears to lurch from a Prussian style discipline to a complete lack of it : what is missing is resilient self discipline and an attitude of ” If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing well”.
What appears to be a massive influence in Americ post 1960s is crass materialism, a worship of Mammon which undermines the eye for quality. Quanity is not quality.
Compare American and German cars and white goods. In the 1960s and 1970s many German cars were often lumpen, lacking elan. However, from the late 1970s styling and quality greatly improved.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  rue boileau

Maybe you need to get out of the cities and into the country.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  rue boileau

Yes, I agree that there is something extremely disturbing about the soul of America. IMO, it’s due to the decades long lurch to the Godless left, which will turn America into East Germany some day.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  rue boileau

Maybe you need to get out of the cities and into the country.

Mr Bellisarius
Mr Bellisarius
1 year ago

I’ve spent a lot of time in Germany for work, and whilst I agree I would not imagine going there for a holiday, the Germans themselves do like it!
It has all the right things, much of it is very neat, you would tick lots of boxes if you were into that sort of thing. And yet it somehow seems that German character is all about being…character less!
I remember a joke I was once told in French: If you tell an Italian what a nice garden they have, they’ll say ‘yes, we like to keep it nice so we can eat out here in the summer’. If you tell a French person what a nice garden they have, they will point out the best places to make love on a summer evening. If you tell a German what a nice garden they have, they’ll use it as an excuse to spend half an hour explaining why German gardens are so much better than other European gardens.
They take a pride in being neat, tidy and orderly. Whatever floats your boat…

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

After 3 weeks of course it is enough time to know a country and her population.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
rue boileau
rue boileau
1 year ago

What’s the purpose of the constant German bashing on this site? I have a German mom, French dad and an American husband. I’ve spent the majority of my life outside of Germany. 10 years in Paris and 22 and counting in the US – Chicago, Seattle, now Boston. Currently I’m in Hamburg and think that the quality of life here is higher than in the US, even though I’ve always lived in affluent parts of the respective American cities. Germany feels cleaner, safer, better maintained, high quality is standard (e.g. everyone drives a BMW, Audi or Mercedes, every home has Bosch appliances, all brands that are considered luxury in the US but are standard here). And the food quality, i.e. the quality of groceries and produce is also much superior to the US. I only buy expensive organic stuff in the US and still the quality absolutely sucks. What’s up with that? 
I really have to say that after 22 years, I’m sick and tired of living in America, sick and tired of the dilapidated buildings right outside the expensive neighborhoods I’ve called home. We are paying horrendously high property taxes to live right next to a slum. America is depressing and frightening, the violence and poverty is everywhere, even in well-to-do areas it’s right beneath the surface or just a short distance away. There is something very wrong with the soul of America that I find extremely disturbing.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Germany is a ghastly place: I once spent 3 weeks there, and within 2 days I was aching to get back…..