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How Europe crashed its car industry Short-sighted policy gave China the upper hand

Net Zero policies are killing Europe's car industry. Photo by Giles Barnard/Construction Photography/Avalon/Getty Images.

Net Zero policies are killing Europe's car industry. Photo by Giles Barnard/Construction Photography/Avalon/Getty Images.


January 1, 2025   7 mins

The Mirafiori car plant is the last surviving automobile factory in Turin, the historical engine of the Italian car industry. At Mirafiori’s post-war peak, Fiat manufactured one million vehicles a year, employing 60 000 people. For much of this past year, so few cars have been produced for Stellantis at the plant that one worker recently remarked that “Mirafiori has already been closed. It’s just that it reopens sometimes.”

It has been a terrible few months for most of the world’s once-leading automobile companies. In September, Volkswagen gave notice of plans to shut at least three of its 10 German factories and cut wages by 10%, breaching a 1994 agreement to protect jobs in its home country until at least 2029, prompting rolling two- and four-hour strikes. As production ground to a halt again at Mirafiori in November, Stellantis made public that the Vauxhall plant at Luton would close in April 2025, cancelling the company’s prior plan to produce Vivaro electric vans there. In the same month, Ford indicated it would cut 3,800 jobs in Europe by 2027, while Nissan announced 9,000 job losses and a 20% cut in worldwide production. A senior official at Nissan is reported to have said that the Japanese company has “12 or 14 months to survive”.

Beyond Germany, the crisis in the European automobile sector has been long in the making. Employment at Vauxhall Luton peaked in the Sixties, and the plant ceased producing cars in 2002, as did Ford Dagenham. Fiat’s five-storey Lingotto factory, which began mass auto production in Italy in 1923, closed in 1982. Today, the building serves as a leisure complex, hosting the largest roof garden in Europe. In 2011, Fiat threatened to close down the Mirafiori plant too unless workers voted for a restructuring plan. When, three years later, Fiat merged with Chrysler, it acquired a company that had been propped up with US federal government money since the 2008 crash. The subsequent union of Fiat Chrysler Automotive with Peugeot in 2021 to form Stellantis saw more than 10,000 job losses in Italy.

But the crisis also constitutes a more short-term failure around electric vehicles (EVs). It was only four years ago that Fiat Chrysler Automotive made a €700 million investment in producing an electric Fiat 500 at Mirafiori. Nissan’s Leaf was the best-selling EV of the 2010s, but since 2020 sales globally have slumped. Demand for Volkswagen’s ID 5 in the European EV market crashed by 28% in the first half of 2024 compared with the same period in 2023.

When, in 2019-20, European governments legislated for Net Zero 2050, they envisaged a rather different future. Of the 101.7 million barrels of oil the International Energy Agency (IEA) reports that the world consumed per day in 2023, more than 60 million was used for road transportation. Consequently, any serious move away from fossil fuels always required the automobile industry to be making and selling EVs at scale. It is scarcely surprising that Norway is the only European country that has made sustained progress in de-carbonising road transport because its hydrocarbon wealth provides the fiscal leeway to make EVs affordable for a reasonable proportion of citizens. In Sweden, where EV penetration was also comparatively high, growth slowed notably in 2024 after it had ended the purchase-incentives regime in late 2022.

“The crisis in the European automobile sector has been long in the making.”

By itself, the sluggish demand in much of Europe for EVs would constitute a big problem for an automobile sector required to stop selling ICE cars no later than 2035, and 2030 in the UK. But China’s astonishing rise over the past three years as an EV manufacturer means that even the slow electrification of road transportation in Europe is accelerating European de-industrialisation, rather than serving, as so many European politicians hoped, as an agent of re-industrialisation. China has by far the largest domestic EV market in the world. On the IEA’s figures, of the 25% increase in global EV sales in the first half of 2024 compared to the first half of 2023, nearly 80% came from China. By contrast, sales in Germany during the same period fell. Chinese producers are now ascendant in their own country, with the Shenzhen-headquartered company BYD alone taking 30% of the market. Meanwhile, Chinese exports have grown astonishingly rapidly, rising 1,600% from 2019 to mid-2024.

China’s productive success cannot be explained simply by the labour cost advantages of late industrial development. Tesla aside, Chinese cars are technologically superior because the Chinese government systematically worked for them to be. As an industrial strategy for high-tech manufacturing, Made in China 2025 and the Five-Year Plan for 2021-25 have been highly successful. The Chinese state financially supports not just domestic EV firms but all parts of the supply chain from metal mining and processing to battery production. In comparison, European political efforts were financially paltry and much more fragmented, leaving its manufacturers dependent on Chinese-dominated supply chains. Escaping this dependency is extremely difficult, not least since China’s 2020 Dual Circulation strategy was in part a project to entrench permanently Chinese firms into the high-value parts of supply chains and force foreign reliance on them. These companies also benefit from the Chinese state prioritising energy security and price over any political preference for one energy source over another substitutable for it. With coal still providing around 60% of China’s electricity and constituting more than 50% of the country’s overall energy consumption, China’s industrial energy costs are significantly lower than those in Europe, most of which is much more dependent on natural gas.

More than a coherent economic strategy to advance the existing European car industry, the tariffs on Chinese manufacturers provisionally imposed by the European Commission in July 2024, and made permanent in October, are a desperate political response to the crisis. When, in May 2024, the Biden Administration placed 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs entering the American market, Chinese manufacturers had barely any EV market share and no Chinese EV manufacturer has an operational plant for exports in either Mexico or Canada to access the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement. The EU, by contrast, is already China’s largest export market, while BYD will begin producing EVs in Hungary in the second half of 2025 and Turkey — equivalent to the EU’s Single Market for export purposes via the country’s long-standing customs union with the EU — by the end of 2026.

For the German car industry and its present government, then, European protectionism is a strategic defeat, risking retaliatory action in the world’s largest car market in which until very recently German companies thrived. Even, as the China EV shock intensified, Volkswagen made more than half of its profits in 2023 in China. Quite simply, if Volkswagen cannot even try to compete in the Chinese market, it cannot remain a global auto player. In this sense, the European car crisis is a symptom of the much bigger story of historical European relative decline driven by the rise in Asian living standards under late industrialisation.

Ironically, the UK government has thus far adopted the free-trade-leaning approach the Scholz government would have done if Germany were not in the EU without the UK having domestically-owned manufacturers who compete in the Chinese market. But this openness to more Chinese exports is a nightmare for British-based car firms wishing to sell in the domestic market, especially when they already cannot meet the EV sales required under the Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) mandate that subjects all companies selling in the UK to probably the most demanding regulatory framework anywhere in the world for ending ICE sales. The week before Stellantis announced the closure of Vauxhall Luton, representatives from the major car manufacturers met with then transport secretary Louise Haigh and business secretary Jonathan Reynolds pleading for more latitude. Finding none on offer, Nissan blasted the Government’s inertia. As the job losses at Luton materialised, Reynolds retreated, promising an urgent consultation on the toughening of the targets due to take effect in January. Since in 2025 the cheapest Chinese EVs yet – one from Leapmotor in which Stellantis has a 20% stake and the other BYD — will arrive in the UK market, it is hard to see how Keir Starmer’s government can possibly retain both the ZEV and openness to China without wrecking what remains of the British car industry. If one single dread consumes the Labour Cabinet, it must be the closure of Nissan’s Sunderland plant even as it was little more than a year ago that Nissan announced it would build three EV models at the north-east site, supported by £2 billion of support for investment from Rishi Sunak’s government.

Over in Italy, Giorgia Meloni never suffered from the illusion that Net Zero in general and EVs in particular would open a path to re-industrialisation for European economies. Immediately after taking office, Meloni stridently opposed the EU’s proposed ban on new ICE sales from 2035. Having found too few allies to stop the EU Council adopting the regulation in March 2023, she has continued to denounce the policy as “self-destructive” and promised Italian voters she will make Brussels “correct these choices”. With the likely arrival of the Christian Democrat Friedrich Merz in the Chancellery after the German general election on 23 February, she will find a powerful ally. Meloni has also been an arch pragmatist about the Chinese threat. Although she supported the Commission’s tariffs, she travelled to Beijing in July 2024 to reset relations after taking Italy out of the Belt and Road seven months earlier. At the top of her agenda is procuring Chinese investment in the Italian car industry, with negotiations in progress with the state-owned Chinese manufacturer Dongfeng Motor for a plant in Turin.

The production and consumption of cars have long marked decisive junctures in Western political history. When in 1908, Henry Ford made mass ownership of cars affordable with the Model T, he imagined he was saving American democracy from the perils of a bitter class divide around the automobile. When, in March 1943, workers at the Mirafiori plant in Turin walked out on strike, they began a labour revolt across the north of Italy that domestically undid Mussolini’s regime four months before the Allied landings in Sicily. Symbolically, cars represented historical progress conceived as individual and democratic freedom. For much of the 20th century, the commercial competition between car companies represented an epoch of competing Western visions of modernity. Inspired by Ford but not wishing to be American, Fiat offered the Lingotto factory on its opening in 1923 as the height of Italian avant-garde industrial modernism. Because the perception of national economic success required a large and competitive auto industry, car workers knew they could inflict such political pain that they had to be feared.

But this psycho-material history began in a geopolitical world where China was stuck in its century of humiliation. China’s emergence as a manufacturing superpower leaves nothing of that old world untouched. Without its rapid economic development over the past 30 years, driving carbon emissions and accelerating oil demand after conventional oil production stagnated from 2005, the energy transition would have seemed less of an imperative.

By committing to end the energy-basis for western Europe’s early historical experience of industrial modernity without a viable strategy for realising a different future, European governments only accelerated the long forces of de-industrialisation. Now, China has claimed the most potent symbol of the energy transition for its own project of modernity. As the meaning of this change begins to be comprehended, democratic politics in Europe will necessarily enter a new era of tumult.


Helen Thompson is Professor of Political Economy at the University of Cambridge and co-presenter of UnHerd’s These Times.

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Brian Kneebone
Brian Kneebone
2 days ago

The West has made two huge mistakes over the past 40 years.
Excessive financialisation, which came unstuck with the GFC and its ongoing mess.
Second, the hubris of winning the Cold war supposedly ending history, resulting in uber globalisation handing the tool box to an authoritarian, mercantilist China.
Combine all this with net zero guilt in the West and we are in an almighty funk.

neil sheppard
neil sheppard
2 days ago
Reply to  Brian Kneebone

Agree 100%. You could put the last comment more pithily. Unless Europe wakes up very very quickly and dump’s these net zero policies, Europe’s manufacturing industry is F**ked!

Paul Rodolf
Paul Rodolf
2 days ago
Reply to  Brian Kneebone

100%! Turns out “Net Zero” has actual implications for the West just like chants “From the river to the sea….”

Timothy Camacho
Timothy Camacho
2 days ago

You could write an encyclopaedia about European energy policy, if that is the right term as Germany was in breach pretty much from the get go (2003), and actively undermined French nuclear energy for the last 25 years (nuclear energy deemed carbon emitting..).
The german politicians of this period were not just stupid. The many comments to that effect are too kind. They were completely corrupt and acted against the long term strategic interests of their country. Spurn your existing strategic partner, France, and put all your eggs in the Russian basket (case) . They lined their pockets with roubles whilst preaching their evangelism. Speaking for myself, they are the prime reason I voted leave.
On a wider note this authoritarian top down drive to EV has always been disconnected from any discussion about how to increase electricity production and keep costs controlled. No link. Nothing to see here. Move on. Our current inept government is accelerating the lunacy, but please bear in mind the previous performances…Cameron, Hickley Point.. Why do tried and tested when you can cosy up to the French and Chinese to build a prototype? Which could only be funded (debatable) with inflated prices? Each successive gvt since, well, Thatcher, has stamped its own short term vision and crass incompetence in one way or another. Granted, Miliband stands out. A world champion. How on earth did we end up with that thing?
Much like Ceaucescu’s Romania, we are encouraged to think in terms of rationing our needs, thinly disguised as green housing policies among other gimmicks. Expect to be guilt tripped about the energy needs of pet ownership. Expect more and more coercive taxes..
And much like the entire Soviet Union we are entering a stage where mobility will be reserved to the elite and ruling class. Quite deliberately?
European governance in Europe is sick, at national level and even more so at the abomination called EU level.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
2 days ago

… And yet our own government is quietly intent on surreptitiously re-boarding the EU Titanic while we’re not looking.

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
2 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

At least four million of us are looking very, very closely. Vote Reform.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
2 days ago

Could not agree more. The only logical outcome of government policy is the rationing of mobility and by degree pretty much everything else.
I have always thought that that our left thinking elite have always harboured an almost genetic resentment that the plebs have freedoms that that reduce their dependence on state largesse, and symbolic of this is the motor car.

Francisco Menezes
Francisco Menezes
2 days ago

A couple of months ago there was an article here with a link to a speech held by the representative of the Landesregierung Niedersachsen who sits on the supervisory board of Volkswagen AG. This lady from the Green Party predicted houses of 50 square meters and rationing coupons for making use of public transportation. Cars would only be available to the party magnates. It leaves me speechless that such ideas can still be alive and kicking in Germany and it just confirms, although I know it is wrong to think, that there are no good Germans.

Peter Shevlin
Peter Shevlin
1 day ago

There is a considerable difference between east ( including Landesregierung Niedersachsen) and west germans . Indeed if you read James Hawes “Shortest History of Germany” it is debtable whether the Ossies can be thought of as German at all. Most of Germany’s past troubles can be laid at the Prussian door . The fatal mistake was accepting them back as a part of greater Germany bringing Muti Merkel along with them. West Germany would have thrived without them but the genie can’t be put back in the bottle

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 days ago

If you want to be more depressed, check out the “biomass” based renewable sector in the UK (Drax being the biggest).

Essentially, those “enthralled by self destructive climate” politicians and bureaucrats replaced perfectly fine coal fired plants with wood based plants that are as much, if not more polluting, needs transportation by ship (shipping fuel is the dirtiest of all), potentially involved some tree cutting…
And we pay about a billion quid a year for the privilege.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
2 days ago

Very, very stupid policy makers across Europe and in the UK have allowed themselves to become dependent on China which is now entrenched across all western industries and technology. Western companies own stakes in Chinese companies and Chinese companies own either outright or stakes across the west on a huge scale. But the merchantilist left hand hasn’t got a clue about the geopolitical right hand. The equation is as simple as it is brutal. When Russia invaded Ukraine, the west, especially Europe, imposed blanket sanctions on Russia and Russian companies and individuals. So what happens when China attempts to absorb Taiwan, which is a nailed on near future certainty? Will the west impose across the board sanctions on China? Stop buying and selling? Pull out of all factories in China and lose their investment? If our and European politicians cannot provide coherent answers about how they will react, there is no reason to consider them collectively as anything other than very, very stupid.

D Walsh
D Walsh
2 days ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Who cares if China absorbs Taiwan, none of our business

Saul D
Saul D
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Taiwan is the leading producer of semi-conductor chips via TSMC. If China invades Taiwan it would create huge problems in IT supply chains – not just computers and phones, but cars, planes, trains and a huge number of ‘smart’ appliances. China invading Taiwan would be an extremely big issue for the West.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
2 days ago
Reply to  Saul D

The PRC isn’t going to invade Taiwan. It doesn’t need to, it can just wait.
What it won’t allow is Taiwan to become a US military colony.

D Walsh
D Walsh
2 days ago
Reply to  Saul D

I do NOT care, and nothing you say will make me care

I only care about stopping infinity immigration, and nothing else matters

RR RR
RR RR
19 hours ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Oh I think there would be millions of highly educated Taiwanese welcome in the Anglosphere and beyond so an invasion by China would actually fuel more immigration to the West.
Maybe you should care as 2 things ae intelinked.

Last edited 19 hours ago by RR RR
Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
2 days ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Can we object? We agreed decades ago that Taiwan, unlike Ukraine, is not an independent country. That Taiwan is instead part of China. For that and other reasons, whatever China does to Taiwan, we will just have to sit back and watch.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
2 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Until Taiwan itself decides to become part of greater China it should be off limits by rights and by law. Because it was also agreed, there should be no invasion of Taiwan – and for the foreseeable that is the only way China can reaquire Taiwan. China does not have a good record of keeping it’s word on what was agreed – cf Hong Kong.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
1 day ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

When was it agreed that China would not invade Taiwan? That’s news to me. I’m sure it would be news to China.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
1 day ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

It seems you are correct, although what was agreed about the status of Taiwan is still ambiguous – as in, Nixon and Kissinger covertly agreed with Zhao Enli that the US recognises China’s claim to Taiwan but urged a “peaceful settlement” (conversations now declassified), which was not stated in the joint communique issued publicly. Carter then normalised relations with China formally, but he also passed the Taiwan Relations Act at around the same time, which stated:

“the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability” and “shall maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan”
….

Seems to me the two actions are mutually incompatible, in that the US recognises Taiwan as part of China but nevertheless reserves the right to arm Taiwan against China and also to go to war on behalf of Taiwan should Taiwan be coerced.

Last edited 1 day ago by Prashant Kotak
Paul Rodolf
Paul Rodolf
1 day ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Wishful thinking comrade.

A Robot
A Robot
2 days ago

Good article with many “take-aways”. Thanks for reminding us that EVs in China are ultimately coal-fired, given the pattern of electricity generation in China. In the UK, the blue-hair-and-body-piercings brigade throw tomato soup at Old Masters when anyone suggests we should extract our own oil, rather than importing it from Middle Eastern tyrannies.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 days ago

Our politicians and bureaucrats are too stupid and too enthralled by self destructive climate and other woke ideologies to have provided the necessary groundwork for. new technologies to be promoted instead they have relied on bureaucratic diktat while enforcing counterproductive policies. Having let Japan destroy Sunderland’s shipbuilding industry we now face Nissan, the Japanese substitute industry in Sunderland, going the same way through a ridged adherence to a daft plan to punish our car manufacturers for their inability to sell EVs that don’t meet the needs of the motorists the government having failed to promote the establishment of sufficient cheap and speedy charging infrastructure.

Charles Farrar
Charles Farrar
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

The national charging infrastructure is important but only one of dozens of manufacturing elements necessary to create a world class working structure for EV production.

Mrs R
Mrs R
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

They have been played by the UN and they fell for it. UN is at the root of Net Zero madness. China wields great influence over that organisation.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
2 days ago
Reply to  Mrs R

And it is China that will profit

Deborah Grant
Deborah Grant
9 hours ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Correct. EV’s don’t meet consumer needs, either on functionality or price, never mind the question of production of electricity, convenient supply, and the risks of IT systems screwing up.

Then there’s the lunacy of unnecessarily fast UK transition targets – when our 1% makes no difference to worldwide emissions.

Add to that the West’s uncompetitive labour costs and increasingly workshy labour force and you have the ideal recipe for decay and disappointment.

Deborah Grant
Deborah Grant
9 hours ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

And I should’ve added the fact that AI will very soon make most of our administrative classes redundant. Perhaps they could pull us all round in rickshaws?

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
2 days ago

Any serious move away from fossil fuels didn’t require the automobile industry making and selling EVs. Doing so would be completely back to front.

Any serious move away from fossil fuels always first required the energy industry making and selling vastly more *cheap* electricity made from non-fossil fuels.

As ever, the bureaucratic apparatus of Europe failed and still fails at everything it touches. European industry is little better. And European voters continue to vote for the status quo. In every way a continent in decline. Intellectually. Demographically. Economically.

NB:

102 million barrels of oil per day is equivalent to 173TWh (terra Watt hours) of energy per day or a constant total power of 7.2TW (terra Watts). It’s not just oil though. We’ve got coal total power of 6.1TW and gas total power of 5.1TW. All totalled, 18.4TW.

Assuming a thermal (“burning”) efficiency of 40%, that’s useful fossil fuelled power of 7.3TW. That’s the power net zero electricity needs to replace. The entire non-carbon electrical power generation on earth right now is only 3.2TW. We need to more than treble green electricity production just to meet current power demand.

The problem is nearly half of all green electricity production comes from hydro power. The destruction these schemes have wrought is immense. There isn’t the geographic scope or environmental justification to significantly expand hydro power. Trebling green electricity output in 25 years is fantastical thinking.

Last edited 2 days ago by Nell Clover
Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
2 days ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

I have never met a greenie who’s in favour of dams. Yet most will shamelessly count hydro electricity as renewable when it suits their argument.

D Walsh
D Walsh
2 days ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Your grid will be 100% green and cheap 10 years from now, that’s why most people will want EVs

McLovin
McLovin
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Not green. Not ethical. Not cheap.

D Walsh
D Walsh
2 days ago
Reply to  McLovin

It will be green and cheap. BTW when I say green, I DON’T mean, wind, Solar, wave or any other intermittent power source, I also don’t mean any type of Nuclear or geothermal. Something better is on the way

McLovin
McLovin
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

OK. Please elaborate.

Philip Hanna
Philip Hanna
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

You can’t make a claim like that and give us nothing else. Either you know something nobody else does, or it’s wishful thinking, plain and simple.

D Walsh
D Walsh
2 days ago
Reply to  Philip Hanna

Yes, I know something you don’t know, I can see two other companies that are close, but I doubt they will make the last logical leap

Sorry I can’t tell you more right now, I wouldn’t invest in any energy companies right now if I were you

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

It currently takes about 7 years from application to grid upgrade to connect a new generating source greater than 300MW. Planning takes at least 3 years. I can guarantee with 100% certainty there will be no new major source of energy connecting to the UK grid in the next decade. Magical thinking.

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Ha ha ha ha ha…

Mike Hopkins
Mike Hopkins
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Dream on not with the genius that is Milliband running the show.

Mike Wylde
Mike Wylde
2 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

In your dreams but certainly not in reality.

Deborah Grant
Deborah Grant
9 hours ago
Reply to  D Walsh

How, exactly?

Francisco Javier Bernal
Francisco Javier Bernal
1 day ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

There is no Net Zero without nuclear energy, the original green energy

Amos Farrell
Amos Farrell
2 days ago

This problem has an easy solution. Abandon net-zero (including EV mandates.) Nobody wants electric cars so China will have shot itself in the foot. But of course this will never happen because net-zero is a religion, and there is no visible replacement on the horizon.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
2 days ago
Reply to  Amos Farrell

Nobody wants electric cars… until they’re more useful in an everyday sense than those powered by fossil fuels. Then they’ll buy them by the tens of millions. It’s simply a question of improving the technology and infrastructure.
Since China was starting from a much lower base, demand for EVs domestically has far fewer obstacles to overcome.
The western targets for reduction of fossil fuels should simply align with the improvements in technology, rather than being figures plucked from a Green fantasy.

Hans Daoghn
Hans Daoghn
1 day ago
Reply to  Amos Farrell

Go further: Outlaw Chinese vehicles, EVs as well as ICE, until such time as 1) China stops using cheap and environment despoiling coal and 2) European auto manufacturers can fully compete with their Chinese counterparts. This may take generations. But the economic and environmental damage China is inflicting on the rest of the world – upon Europe in particular – must be stopped and repaired.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
2 days ago

Interesting article by an informed author. But I disagree with this:

Tesla aside, Chinese cars are technologically superior because the Chinese government systematically worked for them to be. As an industrial strategy for high-tech manufacturing, Made in China 2025 and the Five-Year Plan for 2021-25 have been highly successful. The Chinese state financially supports not just domestic EV firms but all parts of the supply chain from metal mining and processing to battery production.

In my opinion, industrial policy has never worked before and is not working for China now. BYD and the other Chinese carmakers have been more lucky than good. They are new entrants to carmaking and could build electric cars from scratch. That has unleashed a lot of experimentation and competition and that has resulted in a lot of innovation. The government had nothing to do with it except it didn’t get in the way (the way European and US governments did with their electric car mandates).
Ford CEO Jim Farley had a car airlifted from Shanghai to Chicago in April this year, and then drove it for six months. It is a luxury sedan from a smartphone company called Xiaomi, and it does 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds, has a (claimed) 500 mile range, delivers a great UX (user experience) with its integration with Xiaomi products, and cost $30,000. Xiaomi planned to only make and sell 10,000 of these cars, a low production run made possible because it only designed and did not build them, contracting that out to BAIC. But it got 100,000 orders, so it will sell more.
Jim Farley says that he does not think Ford’s competition is GM or Toyota anymore. He thinks it is the Chinese carmakers. And he is right. The oligarchs of the western world with their waterfall development model are being schooled by the niche newbies in China with their agile development model. It’s the market working, not industrial policy. The Chinese government was lucky, not good.

Last edited 2 days ago by Carlos Danger
Paul Rogers
Paul Rogers
2 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

“schooled by the niche newbies in China with their agile development model”
Interesting comment. In IT, if I look at the evolution of modern software into composable pieces, it’s the same transition. Just without the dead hand of state interference.
In software, the monolithic stacks of the 90s and on are being replaced by loosely coupled functional modules. It is this that a tech company like Xiaomi truly brings. That Xiaomi do not actually make the car is fine.
I work for a Cloud Hyperscaler and have seen this evolution up close. We are seeing a market disruption that is similar in automotive tech now. This applies both to the technical components and the innovation delivery project programmes.

Great article. Got me thinking, which is why I read UnHerd.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
2 days ago
Reply to  Paul Rogers

Maybe we need object-oriented government as well as object-oriented tech?

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
2 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Does Xi use CCP+ ?

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Dee Harris

Read Xi
I have all 4 volumes of
The Governance of China
And should you do so
Then you would desist from posing stupid Questions

McLovin
McLovin
1 day ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

Sycophantic drivel. Pass me the sick bucket.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  McLovin

It’s a large Vat you need not a bucket
With the verbal diarrhea that you spew forth

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
17 hours ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

Dee is making a joke, a play on machine language names, you doofus.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

What you need is proper governance
Sorely lacking in the UK

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
2 days ago
Reply to  Paul Rogers

Very perceptive comment. I am pushing that trend with a modular car architecture tied together by a car operating system. We’ll see if that effort toward agile development goes anywhere.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Very interesting comment. So the ostensibly Communist Chinese have benefited from letting lose free capitalism that has generated a superior product while the ostensibly Capitalist West has hobbled our car producers with top down bureaucratic diktats?

McLovin
McLovin
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

So much for communism!

Philip Hanna
Philip Hanna
2 days ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

The older I get, the more these situations start to feel like reruns of a show I watched 25 years ago.

M To the Tea
M To the Tea
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

China is only communism (aka community) at home to take care of their people and capatilism with us because we only respect and respond to it.
CCP support the innovation where in the west our own govt is just bunch of billionaires for themselves! It worked before because we were so good at colonizing others creating a false sense of self… with technology now we are so barbaric and laughable.
They are saving culture and we are spending culture! We will never be able to compete in making things BUT we may have a chance in competing in creating things! But free health, education and housing first!

I cannot wait the humiliation soon enough!

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Oh very far from letting Capitalism loose
Just one example In 2024
China has conducted
8.28 million investigations into
Bribery and corruption
And that aspect of Liberal capitalism is well and truly loose gobbling up by nefarious means the easy pickings
That why The West is in very serious trouble
Just one example go away come back and tell me how HS 2 Rail progressing
Then ask how China in the same time frame has commissioned
8000 km of HS rail
Only yesterday Generation 6 of HS loco was put into service from Beijing
This Loco travels at average speed of 400 Km / HR
But will be travelling at 440 Km/ HR within a year
One major reason China has almost zero corruption
Why because it’s the people’s money not that of criminal capitalist,s or individuals
HS rail in China is for the common wellbeing of it’s citezens
There no Nimbinsm in China

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UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
19 hours ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

“There no Nimbinsm in China”. Only because you are not allowed to object to a train line going through your back yard. Development and growth is easy where the country rides roughshod over it’s own citizens, all for the ‘greater good’.

Robert
Robert
2 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

The Chinese government was lucky, not good.
No. The Chinese government was (and still is) authoritarian, not lucky. They forced companies entering the Chinese market after we opened up trade with them to enter into JVs, joint ventures with Chinese firms, often created on the spot. Shame on western companies for going along with it. They sold their long term viability for short term profits in China. So much knowledge was extracted about high tech manufacturing which designing, developing and building a modern car requires. Even something like how to make an assembly line work at speed, which seems obvious to an outsider, takes decades to become good at and China, via these JVs, extracted proprietary information and there were no legal ramifications. In the US, even Obama later admitted he made a mistake without retaliating when this had become obvious. And this is only looking at building an assembly line. Imagine how much proprietary knowledge was stolen from manufacturers of all different types including metallurgy, casting, machining, and on and on and on.
And all of this knowledge gained (much of it stolen) has been crucial to China taking the lead on EVs, solar panels, etc. We jump started their rise in manufacturing things of all sorts when we did this. They avoided decades of learning by making mistakes and losing money, etc. via this process we cooperated with.
In the end, western auto companies, including the American one I worked for and from which I got to watch this happen from the inside, sold themselves out for short term profits. Also, so many medium and small companies in the auto supply chain shipped everything to China in order to meet price reductions demanded by the auto companies. Imagine just how little ability they had to take their Chinese ‘partners’ to court for theft of proprietary information whether it was in China (laughing, now) or the WTO. Of course, none of this happens if western governments don’t approve China’s entry into the WTO in the first place in the vain hope that China was going to ‘open up’ and democratize and then look the other way while all of this was going on. The money was rolling in, GDP was going up and nobody, either in manufacturing or government, wanted to rock the boat too much
Come to think of it – you’re right. China did get lucky. They gambled on our collective stupidity and won.

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Terry M
Terry M
2 days ago

Norway is the only European country that has made sustained progress in de-carbonising road transport because its hydrocarbon wealth provides the fiscal leeway to make EVs affordable for a reasonable proportion of citizens.
Fossil fuels are subsidizing EVs in Norway as everywhere else. And all you hear from the MSM is that the petroleum industry is getting subsidies. Dead wrong! Idiots in service to the green religion.

Mrs R
Mrs R
2 days ago

Via exerting its influence over bodies such as the UN (see the SDGs as outlined in UN’s Agendas 2030 and 2050) China appears to have played a masterful game over the last few decades.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
2 days ago

The only thing politicians know is fighting the Enemy.
They kinow nothing about anything else especially including industry and the market — oh and health care, dear NHS.
And that goes for you, Sir Humphrey.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
2 days ago

It seems net zero is more about social engineering than anything else. Consumers do not want EVs; if they did, then bribes – sorry, incentives – would not be needed. The issue is less China and more wannabe masters of the universe working against their own citizens.

mike flynn
mike flynn
2 days ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Or maybe China has been whispering in the ear of the wannabe masters since algore 25 yrs ago

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
2 days ago

Electric cars are an asinine solution to a largely fictional problem.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
1 day ago

I don’t think people should be forced to buy electric cars, but I think the more electric cars, the better. The technology is superb.

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
1 day ago

I was reading about a new battery technology, proton batteries may soon replace the need for lithium and cobalt, they are much more efficient and great for storage and also do well in cold weather. It’s early stages, but could be revolutionary. Electric will be the future despite the short term hiccups, fossil fuels will face a slower decline than expected, transition takes time, but it will happen, ICE will become like the horse and buggy in 10 or 20 years. Besides climate change is real, agreed by 99% of scientists, the holdouts represent fossil fuel lobbies and getting well paid for sowing doubt.
The only debate left is how bad it gets and how quickly it happens, but it is happening.

mike flynn
mike flynn
2 days ago

EV requires cheap reliable grid. China knows this. Burns coal, adding nuclear at breakneck speed. Then it subverts the west by employing algore types to kill coal in post-industrial world, making it cheaper still for China to acquire.

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
2 days ago
Reply to  mike flynn

It’s been inevitable, ever since 1972:
https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/50-years-of-predictions-that-the-climate-apocalypse-is-nigh

Or, perhaps 2001, when I heard a BBC Radio 4 Weather Forecast, followed by some information on the Climate. It was weird: was it really information, or was it a warning. On reflection, it sounded like a threat. And since then, Western politicians have danced to the magical spell of the Green Fantasy.

We had Labour’s 2008 Climate Change Act, and Theresa May’s enhancements to it. And now Ed has picked up the reins again!

And the basic laws, included in Physics A level, are nowhere to be seen.

mike flynn
mike flynn
2 days ago

Yeah. Even Nixon and kissinger later realized they unleashed the dragon in 72. Honorable objective of weakening Russia has been huge backfire.

Add to that Clinton getting bags of cash from China to cram through WTO.

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John Dowling
John Dowling
2 days ago

Carry on making what they are good at and for which there is a market; petrol and diesel cars.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  John Dowling

Conceived wisdom derived from fastidious study of World markets
Tells you that in 2030
88 % of all vehicles produced globally shall be EV
China is now turning it’s attention to making all Construction plant and vehicles Electric
Its aim is that by 2028 that all such
Will be 100 % electric
How’s JCB doing in that Area
Can’t answer but can tell you where it shall end for JCB – Bankruptcy
If you do not bend with the winds of change then you are blown down

Luke Piggott
Luke Piggott
44 minutes ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

I didn’t realise that China were making battery powered 20 ton excavators to bankrupt JCB with?

Mark epperson
Mark epperson
1 day ago

Excellent! It is not all about energy, manufacturing, or tariffs. It is about incompetence, uber-progressive agendas, and payoffs. This is not only happening in Europe but the EU, Germany, and France seem particularly infected. When you place bureaucrats in charge, you will always see a steady and catastrophic decline in every area that affects the viability of a country and the quality of life for its residents. The check for this decline is the countries politicians but with few exceptions, they lack leadership, are totally inept, visionless (except for their careers), possess no leadership qualities, and maybe the worst part, they are as boring as hell.
The tragic fact is that you can replace all of the bureaucrats with the politicians and it would be the same because at this moment in history, they are the same. Greedy, incompetent, bought by the highest bidder, and paranoid/controlling are the traits of the great majority of politicians/bureaucrats in the Western World. You have to start replacing these clowns and fast or nothing will ever change and Europe will start circling the drain faster. Up to you.

Paul Rodolf
Paul Rodolf
1 day ago

To be fair I don’t think anybody 20 years ago could have accurately predicted just exactly how badly things would work out with China. We were all on board with globalist fervor and fully expected China to reciprocate once welcomed into the fold of Western economic prosperity. Nobody correctly anticipated that they would consolidate their gains from their technological partnerships to become the juggernaut we face today. However now that we are squarely faced with the failure of our openness it’s time to slam the door, lick our wounds and retrench our domestic manufacturing capabilities.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Paul Rodolf

And that’s exactly why The West is now in very serious trouble
I’ve studied China for 57 yrs and what is happening was so predictable
Go ask yourselves what the 5 yellow stars represent upon China’s
National flag
Bingo all is revealed

mike flynn
mike flynn
2 days ago

Chinafication of the west continues apace. In whose employ, really, are all these purveyors of “green”?

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 day ago

I predicted this over 2 years ago but, inexplicably, the Government took no notice. The only way for the European car industry to survive is for the EU Commission and UK Government to stop all the ZEV nonsense and allow the industry to build on its ICE expertise.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 day ago

The people responsible for this decline (as relates to UK rather than the rest of Europe) are the UK’s two main political parties, the Treasury and the Davos set. Everything has been squandered for short term gain: use the wealth generated by UK’s access to hydrocarbons in the North sea to create a Sovereign wealth fund? Dont do socialism (unlike the Norwegians as explained in this article using their SWF to subsidise shift to EV); stimmy property market / inflate property prices / exorbitant rents so that less than two generations later UK youngsters struggle to get on property ladder / start families, instead UK elite has outsourced birth to economic migrants; ask the treasury to provide a bridging loan to prop up an EV battery manufacturer to encourage car makers to build EV in the UK? No cant do that, yet find £100 million to pay for a bat friendly tunnel on the HS2 project though (for comparison India built a rocket and space probe to the moons southern pole, something they’d never done before, for $45 million). Dont blame China for taking a strategic long term view of human events. Blame the pure greed, short termism and political donkeys we have far closer to home. UK will be a remittance culture in under ten years, weve missed out – when we had a prime opportunity- on being a major player in the 4th Industrial Revolution.

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UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
18 hours ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

You might add the recently announced £22bn for carbon capture and storage. Regarding your point on “stimmy property market / inflate property prices / exorbitant rents so that less than two generations later UK youngsters struggle to get on property ladder / start families”. To be fair to the UK Governments, the whole world is facing inflated property/rent prices and experiencing lower birth rates. Capital is being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands and those further down are suffering and will continue to do so because Governments are incapable of tackling the big corporates.

M L Hamilton Anderson
M L Hamilton Anderson
1 day ago

NetZero is dead.
China is spiralling.
Russia is faltering.
Nuclear energy is the future.
This is Europe’s time to get moving: productivity & prosperity ahead, unequivocally strong borders and uber-tough on crime.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
22 hours ago

Well M L you got 2 out of 4! Net Zero is dead. You obviously don’t follow China in depth (don’t believe what the Western Media spins). Russia is doing well and Ukraine/Nato is not. Again what are your sources. Yes Nuclear is no doubt the future. Do your homework and I am sure you will be up to 100% soon. Cheers.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 day ago

Chinese EV industry is a tumultuous landscape with fierce competition. Up to Dec. 2024 there have been dozens of bankruptcies among Chinese EV makers, and with all this competition leading to extremely low prices. Government subsidies for new ‘start-ups’ will end in 2025 leading to even more Chinese EV bankruptcies. As of today there are slightly more than 90 EV makers (many high-tech) in China with BYD leading the way. The intense competition has lead to a superior product with excellent quality.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

And that My dear Fellow exactly how Socialist Capitalism works in China
Only the most innovative, well run companies are allowed to access the State Centres of Excellence
To improve all their technologies, advanced production and enhanced staff ongoing training and education
Do you honestly believe China’s success is down to Luck
It’s all down to proper governance and development by way of 5 yr plans

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Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
22 hours ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

What is most interesting is that these new Chinese electric car companies have been able to get a product to market so quickly. In the US that’s just impossible.

BYD has been around for a while but many of the new companies get to market in months rather than years by using the great supply chains, skateboard chassis architecture, and contract manufacturing China has to offer.

Cooperation like that brings innovation. Not competition per se, but an industry where a new company can enter the market and survive long enough to get a product to market.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 hours ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Chinese manufacturers may be quick to get a product to market but their after sales support and service can be very poor which has major repercussions such as insurance companies struggling to provide affordable coverage for these new Chinese EVs. The root of the problem seems to lie in a combination of factors, including: a scarcity of replacement parts, poor communication between insurers and Chinese manufacturers, and a lack of technical knowledge about these new vehicles. The vehicles will often be written-off by insurers due to problems securing parts and to the difficulty establishing whether or not batteries have suffered damage during a collision (damaged batteries can later lead to fire and thermal runaway). The vehicles are also subject to rapid depreciation so, if an owner wishes to avoid large personal losses on write-offs, total loss gap insurance should be obtained in addition to normal car insurance. To be successful in the longer term, a car manufacturer needs to do much more than simply churn out cars.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
13 minutes ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Good points. I would hesitate to buy one of the Chinese cars These Chinese carmakers are unlikely to be successful but their failure advances the carmaking industry as a whole. Schumpeterian “creative destruction” at work. Ford certainly seems to be learning from them.

Ernesto Candelabra
Ernesto Candelabra
2 days ago

What is the energy transition?

Look at the actual IEA consumption graphs….

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 day ago

I wonder if demographics are playing a big role in this decline?

McLovin
McLovin
1 day ago

Why has an entire thread on this discussion disappeared?

Michael Clarke
Michael Clarke
1 day ago

It’s worse than I thought.

P Carson
P Carson
1 hour ago

Imagine if the West were to abandon net zero. It would be a huge win for the West and China would be left with a stranded EV industry.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
11 minutes ago
Reply to  P Carson

So far Chinese electric car makers are doing well enough in their huge home market, the biggest in the world. No real need for exports.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
2 days ago

A excellent article but entirely from a Western perspective
Western Neo Liberal Capitalism has singularly failed to comprehend China
By mistakenly believing that they can outsmart China
The West wrongly believed that if they trade with and invest in China
That it was the back door in to do as all Multi National corporate entities
have always done milk out as much
Profit as possible, fail to invest properly in the workforce , local community and their production facility, all resulting in having to Run
Away as fast as possible
And when you factor in The Western belief that China is a Threat .Wow wow you’ve merely just pulled the pin out of the Grenades you have been juggling with
Inadvertently or not by seeing China as a threat you ( Not China )
You have created a foe
And the 1 St golden rule to adhere
To strictly in such a scenario is
To know thy foe to the tiniest of detail ( including yourself )
If you fail to apply this rule rigidly
And proceed to engage your fate
Is virtually sealed
So in order to engage with China you MUST study and understand
It’s long 5000 year long History
all the way to today
And here is what you shall discover
All of which have never basically
Changed and remain as the central
Plank of Chinese affairs today
However once you get to grips with the basics and fundamentals of Chinese history , beliefs, culture and method of thinking
You then must in order to fully understand China go on and study Buddhism , Zen Buddhism and Confuciousism
If you do not do so then many blanks left in your mind as to Who and what China truly are
It’s completely understandable how the West has singularly failed to do so because although what you have to study is actually Quite simple but because it’s so different from Western history and beliefs
What you study of China soon becomes so Alien to your conditioned mind and your brain throws the off Switch BIG BIG BIG
mistake you now in the middle of a minefield with no way out
Simply cooperate with China and they will take your hand and guide you to safety
Refuse their friendly hand , then you shall perish
So now I shall condense China and it’s Modus Operandi from 5000 yrs
To today and most certainly going forward
As a individual your first responsibility is not to yourself but
To your family
The Families first responsibility is to the Family as individuals
But must also be to your community
The Community then has as it’s prime responsibility to it’s neighbours
This central principle goes all the way through local , regional and provincial governance till it stops
Whether Emperor or President
Who’s First and vitally important
DUTY ( not responsibility ) To Govern well with no thoughts of oneself
If otherwise and from 5000 yes of History you will soon see that those who govern wrongly are disposed of and replaced with ones who shall carry out the duty
To Govern in a responsible manner
What does all this mean
To China Unity is of the highest order ( That explains why it’s 5000 yrs old and thriving)
Words mean Nothing to the Chinese
Judgement is passed entirely upon your Actions
Central to China and it’s people’s are these simple little words but if you really understand what these actually mean the are not words but actions
Respect , Compassion , Honour ,Dignity , Honesty and above all Humility always displayed openly
Whilst hiding your inner strengths
Which are reserved for those who seek to be your foe
Got it maybe not
But let’s go to how The West thinks and operates
The R & D director of Audi in complete despair at Western Automotive Industry Leaders and Governments response to the huge lead China now had in EV battery and vehicle production stated this
We have fell asleep at the wheel
It’s now too late we must cooperate fully and to let you understand why
Consider this
It matters not if the Idea originated in The West or China
But we in the West shall take that idea from 0 to 1 then pat ourselves upon the back
China will then take it from 1 to 100
With terrifying speed
And that’s exactly what they have done and with haste continue to do so with regards all matters

Norfolk Sceptic
Norfolk Sceptic
2 days ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

“Simply cooperate with China and they will take your hand and guide you to safety”

Total naivety, to be sure. 🙂

Yes, we need to understand China better than we have done, but we need to start with understanding ourselves. Why do so many public institutions hate everything about their own country? Why does so much public money finance malevolence, pushing globalist agenda, often without any explanation? The UN, WHO and the EU do not have our interests at heart. Are there any within the Political Bubble that has any understanding of STEM subjects? So much waste could be eliminated with just A level Physics and Chemistry competence and some pertinent questions. Why don’t the Arts and Humanities graduates have any wisdom that used to be gathered by studying the Arts and Humanities?

So much to do, even before we start studying others.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
2 days ago

Ah but how much you can learn from others

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
18 hours ago

I think you are debating a bot

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
2 days ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

Chinese dominance is now inevitable, the west has become too soft, pampered and lazy, politically fractured and disorganized, short term thinking with no vision. The Chinese live in a work hard , no nonsense culture, with a focus on education and cooperation. Their century of humiliation is over, they have been reborn and on the rise since Deng, around 1980.
After decades of civil war, western intervention and humiliation, WW2 and revolution, the Mao catastrophe of the great leap forward and the cultural revolution which kept China backwards , they have been rising since. Their economy and military become more powerful by the day, and they are now advancing in technology and new industries. They have their problems like everywhere, but will continue to progress anyways because they are a collective and unified, unlike the west which will be ripping itself apart politically and socially. The west is a mountain of debt ready to burst with unsustainable public finances and entitlement programs and a population which just wants and takes and have no visionary leaders to make things happen. The democratic system of left and right just creates swings in policy which ends up going nowhere in the long term.
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Kent Ausburn
Kent Ausburn
1 day ago
Reply to  Dave Canuck

Your comment sounds a lot like, “frankly, I welcome my Chinese overlords”

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
1 day ago
Reply to  Kent Ausburn

They won’t be overlords, they will just watch us sink from a distance, the Chinese have no history of hegemony outside their immediate sphere of influence, although that could change, but mainly economic

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Dave Canuck

China has no interest or desire
Nor ever had to exploit others
China is a peaceful Nation
Who are creating a New Civilisation for the Benefit of Humanity
This civilisation they refer to as
Eco Environmentally Sustainable development and return Humans and Nature back to a State of Balance and Harmony all in order for Mankind to confront the very serious problems in finds itself in
Those that refuse to cooperate
Shall simply be ignored and left
Behind to Wither and die
And that’s exactly why the Western Automotive Industry now finds itself in the position it
Currently finds itself
China continues to offer the hand of Friendship and competitive cooperation
Western Governments spurn this and impose Tarrifs upon Chinese EV batteries and vehicles
Continue to refuse this offer then you left behind to Wither and die
Tis not murder it’s Suicide and
Voluntary so

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Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Kent Ausburn

Oh how misguided you are
Go study BRI and BRICS
China is a overlord to none of the 147 participation Nations
Once more go study China if you do then you would not make ridiculous statements

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  Dave Canuck

Your hammer certainly knows how to hit a nail firmly upon the head

M To the Tea
M To the Tea
1 day ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

You will get a lot of pushback because you speak uncomfortable truths. Everything you say reflects much of what I have been saying, only to face negativity or moderation—for what?

Ultimately, the reality is that capitalism doesn’t work within a single country because, if there’s only one loaf of bread, the system becomes a zero-sum game: eat or starve, rather than share or divide. Democracy is good only if people vote for real policies, not personalities.

Get rid of usury(replace it other methods like flat fee etc), focus on education like religion, and stop wars abroad to have constant crisis for distraction and propaganda.
Bezos recently said the best we have to offer is unstoppable investment without any risk! (Basically saying abstract financial speculation and printing money is all West has to offer).

The West is on the verge of becoming like Germany after the wars—crippled and maimed though we all agree how intellectual they used to be!
Say what you will of China but as you clearly demonstrate they are not bamboozling us with cash but tangible things today cars, tomorrow bridges, and so on. They are working not just exploitation of the minds!

McLovin
McLovin
1 day ago
Reply to  M To the Tea

Please don’t encourage the CCP member.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
1 day ago
Reply to  M To the Tea

You got it bang on the money
Go to the top of the class