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What remains of Churchill’s England? He would have turned 150 this week

'One in five teens thinks he's a fictional character.' Photo by Dan Kitwood/Getty Images

'One in five teens thinks he's a fictional character.' Photo by Dan Kitwood/Getty Images


November 30, 2024   7 mins

Twee tea towels; tubby Toby jugs; cigar-puffing cosplayers. Churchill’s apotheosis surely ranks among the most odd developments in British cultural life. He has grown so larger-than-life that one in five teens thinks he’s a fictional character. And for some, moist-eyed invocations of the old Bulldog still serve as a kind of shorthand to signal a reassuringly old-school conservatism. The nostalgia understandably grates on the Left, whose ranks often think “good riddance”. What unites both sides, however, is the sense that Churchill’s England is truly dead. It certainly is, though perhaps not in such a straightforward way.

The fact is that Churchill, who would have turned 150 this week, was no curmudgeonly conservative. His Right-wing fanboys and Left-wing haters today would both no doubt prefer to live down his reputation as the “grandfather of the welfare state”. Indeed, along with Lloyd George, he was the architect of the Liberal programme — a slate of pension, healthcare, insurance, and wage reforms. He was also viewed as a “class warrior” by his Tory contemporaries. In his handling of the 1910 miners’ strike in the Rhondda, for instance, he came under fire in the press and in parliament for his leniency. In his lax Lib-Lab ways, he had kept the army at arm’s length, hoping for a peace between labour and capital. This is the wet Churchill whose life-size portrait greets you as you walk into the National Liberal Club.

Here, then, is one of the unexpected ways in which Churchill’s England is now dead. From austerity Osborne to scrounger-baiter Starmer, the welfare state has now become something of an embarrassment across the spectrum. Churchill, perversely, is too lefty for our unforgiving age.

This is not to suggest, of course, that Churchill was on the Left. He was, after all, the same chap who, on returning to the Tory party in 1924, returned the pound to the gold standard as chancellor of the exchequer — a move that betrayed “jejune and intellectually sterile” thinking, thought Keynes. Churchill at a stroke caused an unemployment crisis, the upshot of which was the General Strike. This he put down with the help of blacklegs drawn from the constabulary and British Fascisti. His politics, in short, were clear as mud. Even Lord Beaverbrook, a crony of Churchill’s, recognised this, maintaining that he had held every opinion on every subject over the course of his life.

It was precisely Churchill’s chameleonic character that enabled him to clamber upwards despite chronic blundering. Having the right background helped: he was born at Blenheim Palace, birched at Harrow, and schooled at Sandhurst. So, too, did the derring-do: he fought as a mercenary in Cuba and the Soudan, and escaped his captors after a jailbreak in Pretoria. Politically, he proved a poor fit in the Tory party, calling for defence spending cuts practically until the eve of the First World War. Then, as First Lord of the Admiralty, he abruptly reversed his position by defending his department’s budget. Churchill likewise wasn’t exactly married to party fidelity in the prewar period, crossing the floor to join the Liberals in 1904; as MP for Oldham, a cotton town, he was committed to free trade, and therefore could have no truck with imperial preference, the creed of the Conservative and Liberal Unionist coalition. As it was, Churchill returned to the Tory party two decades later, closing ranks against Labour in 1924.

“It was precisely Churchill’s chameleonic character that enabled him to clamber upwards despite chronic blundering.”

Churchill’s First World War record showed a man out of his depth. Disregarding the counsel of his generals by trying to “force the Dardanelles” and finish off the Ottomans, he ended up getting 50,000 of his men killed at Gallipoli. The Turkish victory was followed by Churchill’s demotion. After the war ensued another cack-handed operation was launched to “strangle the Bolshevik baby in its crib”, as Churchill put it. Once again luck eluded him. The British soldiers dispatched to assist the Whites were sent packing. The Second World War saw him reprise his role as First Lord of the Admiralty. Disaster struck again with his botched handling of the Norwegian campaign. Still, strategic failure was one thing, personal advancement another. Chamberlain lost the premiership over the affair. So it was that when Lord Halifax, declined the top job, it fell to Churchill — some irony, given his mishandling had brought about his predecessor’s fall.

Churchill’s luck turned in his precarious prime ministership. Dunkirk proved to be a serendipitous success, if only thanks to the Wehrmacht. The blitzkrieg was halted 13 kilometres from the evacuation because the Germans had other fish to fry. Still, the final outcome of the war, decisively resolved by American money and Soviet manpower, nevertheless secured Churchill’s place in history. He was able to claim that he had been right all along about British strength, even if much of his understanding derived from questionable racist assumptions. Indeed, race was an all-consuming obsession for Churchill, which sets him apart from a great many of his contemporaries; generally speaking, Brits in the first half of the 20th century were more likely to think along class or developmental lines. Not Churchill, though. Small wonder he was struck dumb by the fall of Singapore: “How came 100,000 men (half of them of our own race) to hold up their hands to inferior numbers [35,000] of Japanese?” Elsewhere, he was blunter: “I hate people with slit eyes & pig-tails. I don’t like the look of them or the smell of them.”

Even Bolshevism was cast in ethnic terms: it was a “sinister confederacy” of “International Jews”. Ashkenazi Jews supplanting dark Palestinians in the Levant, on the other hand, was a positive development: “I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly-wise race has come in and taken their place.” As for black people, they were really not “as capable or as efficient as white people”, he said to a Kenyan settler in 1954. The following year, Eden noted in his diary as Caribbean migration picked up steam, “Churchill thinks ‘Keep England White’ is a good slogan.” Churchill, of course, wasn’t alone in expressing such views, though it must be said they weren’t exactly comme il faut even in his time. These days, moreover, ever-fewer Brits set store by racial thinking — we don’t really have a racial wage gap; nor are our cities as ethnically segregated as, say, American ones —  which is one of the reasons why Churchill has come in for a cool reassessment.

There was a time when he was seen as the arch-defender of democracy. We know better now. As it is, he was no antifascist to begin with. In 1935, he expressed his “admiration” for Hitler, applauding his “courage” and “perseverance”. Only after Munich did he drop the idea of cutting a deal with the Nazis, by which point Clement Attlee, too, had come out against appeasement.

Then again, the sore point was balance of power on the Continent, not fascism per se. On taking office in 1940, Churchill was not above trying to appeal to the better instincts of Franco and Mussolini. The latter he called “the greatest lawgiver among men”, endorsing his “triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism”. The former likewise was a bulwark against the red menace: “I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between Communism and Nazism, I would choose Communism.” In 1944, Churchill reacted violently to Allied plans to impose oil sanctions to foil Franco’s bid to reignite the civil war: “You begin with oil; you will quickly end in blood.” Worse, without Franco, the communists would “become master of Spain”.

Churchill also propped up the Greek monarch George II — discredited for supporting Ioannis Metaxas’s fascist dictatorship — who decamped to London once the Wehrmacht stormed Athens. Real resistance was left to the communist partisans of EAM and ELAS, which moved from strength to strength once Roosevelt ruled out Allied landings in August 1943. Aghast at the prospect of a red Greece, Churchill called for “bloodshed if necessary” to suppress EAM and ELAS. Accordingly, Nazi collaborators were brigaded into British-sponsored militias to massacre liberation fighters. Meanwhile, Greek soldiers in Egypt clamouring for the Resistance to be included in the government in exile were deported to African camps on Churchill’s orders.

When the Germans abandoned Greece, thanks to the Red Army push into Bulgaria, Churchill had George Papandreou installed as a puppet ruler. With the help of the British military governor Ronald Scobie, Papandreou set about rehabilitating Nazi collaborators and disarming ELAS partisans at gunpoint. Protests ensued, and Churchill sent in some 75,000 troops to crush the Resistance. So it was that communism was stamped out of Greece by the White Terror unleashed by Churchill. It was one of his last achievements before he was kicked out of office, in part because of his lack of enthusiasm for the Beveridge Report and in part thanks to an 11-hour crass gaffe, likening Labour to the Gestapo, that repelled voters.

A desultory final term of little moment followed in 1951. Domestically, its biggest triumph was Harold Macmillan’s housebuilding programme. Internationally, it is remembered for the brutal violence inflicted on Kenyans and Malayans in a misguided attempt to cling to the British Empire, by then already seen as an anachronism by both parties. Churchill was one of its last cheerleaders. To this end, Agent Orange was deployed on the Malayans, many of whom were left with the kind of crippling deformities that would become commonplace in the Vietnam War. Meanwhile, the slaughter of the Kikuyu and the corralling of over 100,000 souls into detention camps without trial forced Churchill to recognise that the Kenyans were a proud people wronged by empire — not “savages” but “persons of considerable fibre and ability and steel… armed with ideas — much more difficult to deal with”. This was Churchill the liberal imperialist, the chap who once showed some consideration for the natives of Natal and Omdurman and condemned the Amritsar massacre.

Yet this was the same man who had deployed the paramilitary Black and Tans to dispatch Irish nationalists, and used chemical weapons against the Kurds: “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes… Gases can be used which cause great inconvenience and would leave a lively terror.” In Bengal, three million had starved to death in 1943 as a result of wartime policies despite there being enough food supplies to go around. The anxious viceroy of India had demanded urgent wheat supplies, to no avail. Absurdly, London arm-twisted Delhi into exporting rice from famine-struck Bengal. Churchill’s own response had been to take a dig at “Indians breeding like rabbits”. As it was, Bengal went a long way in discrediting the colonial enterprise in the eyes of its already dwindling fan base of compradors. “I have not become the King’s First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the British Empire,” Churchill had declared in 1942. Yet in the years that followed, he played an outsized part in begetting the world that buried his own tout court.

Now, evidently, we no longer live in Churchill’s world. Decolonisation has been achieved, and with the Chagos handover, even overshot. Denigration of the darker races, too, has lost its edginess; a third of Brits will be mixed by the end of our century. Deference to the ruling class likewise has slipped into quaint oblivion; “posh” these days has departed from the lexicon of the aspirational classes to become an adjective of disparagement, often preceding a ruder four-letter word. This is no country for Churchillians anymore.


Pratinav Anil is the author of two bleak assessments of 20th-century Indian history. He teaches at St Edmund Hall, Oxford.

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Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
9 days ago

Born into privilege in an age very different from our own, this ‘essay’ is a typical example of filtering through the foreshortened lens of the present.

Churchill’s inconsistencies are easy to spot, but the most glaring feature is the author’s own schoolboy-ish delight in attempting to dissect them. In doing so, there are omissions amid his emissions.

For instance, when called upon to lead a company of soldiers in the trenches on the Western Front during WW1, he became revered by his soldiers for his humanity and care for their conditions, sadly lacking in many of the higher ranks.

And however the circumstances arose of his becoming PM in 1940, his ability to galvanise the resources of a beleaguered nation, raise and then maintain morale, and a ceaseless work ethic at an age when most people are retired – all of these remain undiminished by the writings of a minor academic with highly dubious motives of his own.

Last edited 8 days ago by Lancashire Lad
j watson
j watson
8 days ago

There are a few historical inaccuracies in this, although overall the picture it paints has much truth. Churchill and his story was much more complex than either arch supporters or critics allow. He was of course almost the last Victorian and perhaps needs to be seen in that context.
But what is indisputable is what he did in May 40 and for the next 18 months until Pearl Harbour – he ensured no settlement with Nazism and World history was set on a different destiny. Individuals can make a difference and there is no better example. And he did it because he had a sense of British History and an instinctive feel for it’s importance.
I also sometimes think his personal bravery understated too. Slightly less well known is when he made a last unsuccessful and desperate attempt to encourage the French to keep fighting on the risky flight home he told Ismay he feared they’d both be dead within 3mths. Yet days later he gave the Finest Hour speech. He knew what was at stake, yet summoned the strength and words that bonded a Nation at it’s time of greatest peril. And that is why he is remembered.

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Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
8 days ago
Reply to  j watson

Churchill didn’t “ensure there was no settlement with Nazism” because no such settlement was ever proposed by anyone in government.
And he is remembered kindly because, as he said “history will remember me kindly because I shall write it”, and he did (in reality his “ghostwriters” but the effect was the same…).
Churchill’s reputation is only recently being re-evaluated and this piece is an excellent contribution to that. Nothing in it is incorrect, which is why the comments are generally dismissive. Most people cling to the myth of Britain having saved the world in the Second World War. It didn’t.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

It did!! Halifax would have sought peace with Hitler. Great Britain would have become a version of Vichy, because as in France, irrespective of any treaty obligations with the 3rd Reich, fascists and the far Right would have been hugely empowered – after all they would have been the winning side. This is a typical fashionable denigration of Britain’s role in the 2nd World War. Churchill, for all his faults and a minority of other Conservative and Labour politicians, made all the difference at a critical time. This is why he deserves to be remembered with gratitude. No, we could not by 1940 have defeated Germany on our own, but a treaty with Hitler would have made a n ultimate defeat of the Soviets, and of course the Americans would not and could not have become involved in any European war. But even so, Great Britain contributed more troops to the Normandy campaign than the US.

There is absolutely no reason why a Nazi dominated Europe would not be in existence today without Churchill. I have never heard a single convincing argument on the Left or Right, otherwise. Ah, there would have been an uprising! How unbelievably naive people can be!

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Movie history, I’m afraid. Halifax never suggested an approach to Germany. He agreed with Churchill’s “wait and see” policy to await military developments.
However Churchill had stated his belief that Britain should fight “to the end” no matter that the cause was lost and the loss of life would be immense. Halifax disagreed with this…rightly so. In the event the situation never arose.
I very much doubt that Germany could have totally defeated the USSR and even then wouldn’t have been able to hold it. That N**i Germany could have survived until now as it was seems very unlikely…but who knows?
Incidentally for the economics of Germany at the time, Tooze is the recognised authority.

Nick Faulks
Nick Faulks
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

A great deal in it is incorrect and the omissions are even more glaring.

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Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
9 days ago

Beware the politician who thinks he is a man of destiny. Everyone else pays the price for his place in history. In this case it was us.
But this article and the author are still toxic

Last edited 9 days ago by Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Nick Faulks
Nick Faulks
8 days ago

I posted a comment agreeing with this, but it has disappeared.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
8 days ago

But how silly, self important and ungenerous this little piece of pseudo wisdom actually is?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
7 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Like I said this article and the author are still toxic

Josef Švejk
Josef Švejk
7 days ago

I went to Wikipedia to fact check the author’s article. It occurred to me that if one went to Chatgpt and asked it the following ” Using the attached Wikipedia page on Winston Churchill please compose an article as if it were written by an avid woke Guardian reader”. It is quite possible the reply would be similar to the author’s piece. Having said that it is good that we have Unherd to freely publish such as this. I’ll pass on his bleak tomes on India as per the coda.

Chipoko
Chipoko
6 days ago

Churchillians despise the likes of this author with his fetid post-modernist perspectives.

Nick Faulks
Nick Faulks
8 days ago

A horrible article, just a string of random slurs. The lie about the Bengal famine is particularly offensive.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
8 days ago

A somewhat cursory reading of Churchill’s career and particularly incorrect about the Second World War. The author seems to forget that from June 1940 to June 1941 this Country and its Empire stood alone against the Germans. Churchill was responsible in large part for keeping that up, a fact Alanbrooke (no fan of Churchill’s tactical tinkering) fully recognised. It was US money and Soviet blood that won the war, but if it hadn’t been for Churchill, what they’d have won would have been very different. And worse.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
8 days ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

“this Country and its Empire stood alone” is rather over dramatic. The British Empire at the time was the major power on the planet and never at any great risk of being subjugated, as David Edgerton rather convincingly proves. The risk was bankruptcy and impoverishment, which of course did happen.
And indeed it was US money and Soviet blood that won the war, the latter of those being rather forgotten in the West nowadays…but not in Russia unsurprisingly.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

The Soviets deserve no credit. They conspired with the Nazis and then the Nazis turned on the Soviets before the Soviets were able to do the same to them.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

This is an obviously daft revisionist account almost by definition. A defeated Britain (one that sought peace with the Third Reich in 1940, as would have happened under Halifax, WOULD be definition have been subjugated, whether or not it retained its very expensive Empire, which was in any case increasingly an albatross round its neck, at the pleasure of Hitler. The Nazi leadership would have been very happy with Britain adopting such a subordinate role, as in their ideology they had far more important issues to deal with to achieve the then almost inevitable successful German expansion. For hundreds of years the strategic objective of Great Britain was to precent any one power dominating the European subcontinent. This would be definition have failed, whatever baubles were offered us.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Please see my reply to your previous comment.
Halifax NEVER suggested an approach to Germany should be made.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

Three hundred thousand US servicemen died in a war that had very little to do with us, as did over a million British servicemen whose homes were at direct risk. Countless civilians were killed or maimed in bombing campaigns that were thousands of miles away from the killing fields of Russia and eastern Europe.
The USSR was Germany’s ally and largest trading partner literally until the Wehrmacht invaded, and Russian defenses fell rapidly as Stalin reacted to Operation Barbarossa with a nearly schizophrenic disbelief.
Stalin starved, probably intentionally, over a million Ukrainians, murdered hundreds of thousands of Poles, and was delighted to divvy up Europe with his German doppelganger. He had millions of men at his disposal, whom he disposed of at will, and assigned political commissars to every military unit to ensure a terrified obedience to Soviet lies.
American money assisted her mother country, yes, and every nickel of it was repaid. Postwar life in the UK was for most people hardly a life of plenty, with rationing and labour socialism destroying living standards, and yet the British public sent remittances to the Americans for decades afterwards.
The world is indisputably a better place today than it would’ve been otherwise.

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Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago

I’m unclear as to the point you are making but must point out that British military losses weren’t one million but about four hundred thousand. The USSR certainly suffered far more than a million losses.

Yes the WW2 debt was repaid by Britain…the WW1 debt never has been.

As to what the world would have been like…who knows? It seems unlikely that the then current German political system could have endured due to its economic contradictions. After Stalin died the USSR changed, probably Germany would have done also.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
2 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

The USSR, after Stalin’s death, changed slightly in degree, but very little in kind. Their national economy remained centrally planned, and their gulags didn’t close.
The Germans, were they not defeated, likely would’ve become a world superpower, equalling or surpassing the US. Like Imperial Rome, they would’ve simply plundered their neighbors, and used slave labor for their farms and factories.
Hitler was if nothing else a man of his word insofar as the conquests planned in Mein Kampf goes, and eastern Europe would’ve been theirs, rather than the USSRs.

Caradog Wiliams
Caradog Wiliams
8 days ago

At the end of the essay it says that:
“The writer is the author of two bleak assessments of 20th century Indian history.”
Presumably, he is a bleak and insular person and a young person. When I was young it was fashionable to see the world as a bleak, unforgiving place. The Vietnam War was in full swing, we had the three-day week with regular power cuts, the newspapers were talking about the coming ice age when we would all die, men wore flared trousers… Bleak is a phase you go through when you are young until suddenly everything come into proper perspective.
In fact, the article is so bleak that I would recommend to him, “Get a life!”. And don’t make our lives bleak and miserable.

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
8 days ago

This picture of Churchill is just plain silly….a classic case of the distortions that come from trying to view history through a crudely contemporary lens. For instance: an attitude towards a notional welfare state at its inception bears virtually no relation to an attitude towards the unfolding reality of it a hundred years later. Churchill would have loathed that reality even 50 years ago; never mind now.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
7 days ago

It is not viewed through a “a crudely contemporary lens” it is viewed through a a crudely racist lens crudely camouflaged with an academic cloak fig leaf

Pete Pritchard
Pete Pritchard
8 days ago

Greatest ever politician in British history. Understood both history and what a future can be.

Chipoko
Chipoko
8 days ago

“This is no country for Churchillians anymore.”
This arrogant parting shot says it all. This is the country of the Totalitarian Woking Class. Frankly, Churchillians despise you!

John Davis
John Davis
8 days ago

Nasty little hatchet job.

Tony Price
Tony Price
8 days ago

I do so like to read Churchill hatchet jobs, as I also like to read the hagiographies, as they both annoy me greatly by being so partisan and picking quotes and actions out of context. The whole point about Churchill was that he was flawed, which made him a greater man. I like to think of him as a good strategist, it was his tactics that were poor and needed to be kept in check (thank god for Alan Brooke!).

The prime culprit by far for the Bengal famine was the Japanese war machine next door in Burma, so add it to their butchers bill, although the situation was poorly handled by Britain. The affair of the ‘poison gas’ against natives was the use of tear gas and nothing lethal. There are plenty of Churchill defences on the History Reclaimed website ( https://historyreclaimed.co.uk/category/people/page/3/ ) although I think that they over-egg that aspect they are worth reading.

tom j
tom j
8 days ago

“Politically, he proved a poor fit in the Tory party, calling for defence spending cuts practically until the eve of the First World War. Then, as First Lord of the Admiralty, he abruptly reversed his position by defending his department’s budget.”
Amazing, Churchill changed his mind on spending cuts because of the Great War. Give me more of your historical insights please!

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
9 days ago

Dear me. You mean to say that history is not a single, glorious narrative about the victory of the good guys?

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
8 days ago

The argument has been made that Churchill was the greatest man of the 20th Century. These potshots from midwits will not affect that. The views from Revisionist History Land are a hoot, but I wish the food was better.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
8 days ago
Reply to  Jerry Carroll

Made by who? Far right apologists for racism and imperialism? You?
Both can be safely ignored…

Matthew Freedman
Matthew Freedman
8 days ago

“Ashkenazi Jews supplanting dark Palestinians in the Levant, on the other hand, was a positive development”. Whatever Churchill thought jews or arabs were:

1. Ashkenazi Jews can be dark
2. In 1930/1940s Arabs in the mandate for Palestine were called Arabs. Until 1948 both Jews and Arabs there were Palestinians
3. In reality in the late 1940s/1950s the new state of Israel invited millions of Jews living in the Islamic world to live there, even airlifting them to Israel. I don’t ever think the idea was ever for the ‘jewish state’ to be an ashkenazi state
4 Modern identifying Palestinian aren’t necessarily ‘dark’. Many could pass as European Mediterranean.

El Uro
El Uro
8 days ago

Dear Pratinav Anil!
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Most of the commentators here would never dare to say what I am about to say, but I think you should ask yourself whether your ethnicity and skin color are creating some kind of inferiority complex, the whiff of which is clearly present in this article. I was born and raised in the USSR, which naturally affected my limited knowledge of Western history. It was only when I was old enough that I became acquainted with it. And I honestly admit to you, I admire the West as it was, at least until recently. I strongly advise you to stop criticizing the West, at least this way. Instead, think about why it is still great, how it got that way and what become with it wrong now. That is much more useful.
PS. Of course, Churchill wanted India to remain a colony. History did not listen to him. But, by and large, European colonialism is not a black spot in the history of mankind; on the contrary, mankind has gained more from it than it has lost. I am not afraid to admit that I admire Cortes and Pizarro. After all, with a negligible number of people, they crushed empires no more humane than Assyria.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
8 days ago

Whatever else might or might not be true of Churchill I think it is indisputable that we’d all be speaking German now if not for him.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
8 days ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

I would dispute that very strongly indeed, as would anyone with anything beyond a child’s understanding of history.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
8 days ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

It is very much disputable. Germany could neither invade Britain or subjugate the British Empire, no matter who was Prime Minister at the time. It simply didn’t have the means to do so, and was running out of money to pay for the commodities being provided by the USSR under the Ribbentrop pact. With no payment, no commodities would be provided, leading to the collapse of the German economy.

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

There was never a worse axis of evil than the Ribbentrop pact, in the end they both got what they deserved. Churchill knew that an alliance with Stalin would be temporary to defeat Hitler, and that afterwards the Soviet Union would be the enemy, hence the famous Iron Curtain speech. Too bad he wasn’t alive to witness the collapse of the Warsaw pact and the USSR. Roosevelt was naive about Stalin, but also too old and frail in 1945 to confront him. But later the Americans woke up to the undeniable fact of the evil empire.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago
Reply to  Dave Canuck

It is therefore odd that Churchill agreed his “naughty document” with Stalin.

Further he said of Stalin “I like that man”. He also said to Stalin about the British intervention in the Russian Civil War “can you forgive me?”

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

He had no choice about eastern Europe, Stalin was sweeping across the area regardless of what Churchill thought, he was negotiating from a position of weakness. USSR taking eastern Europe was a fait accompli, there was nothing the UK or US could do about it, but make a deal with the devil.

denz
denz
7 days ago

I suppose if you sling enough shit, some will stick. An horrible article that I’m surprised has been published here.

Matt M
Matt M
7 days ago

Very little changes in England – there were juvenile, “radical” poseurs trying to persuade readers that black was white in the 1890s too. But they more articulate back then.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
7 days ago

Our professor betrays his own prejudices here. The Dardanelles and Gallipoli were lost by dithering sea commanders, terrified of mined straits, and the incompetence of General Alexander, not by the Sea Lord. In later years, as Japanese and German submarines seriously threatened the Imperial food supply, Churchill ordered immediate food shipments to India when famine occurred.
Churchill was given to making outrageously racist statements, often to silence speakers, frequently in his own cabinet, whom he found tiresome. He was heavily prejudiced against Hindus, having seen the practice of sati (or suttee) during his own imperial assignment, and wrongly concluding it was widespread. He was biased towards, often enough, Muslims, whom he saw as Abrahamic co-religionists, but he also was as heavily snobbish as any Victorian era aristocrat, and had a volcanic temper.
He also crucially won American support during the UK’s long, lonely fight against Nazism, and kept the invaluable fighting spirit of Great Britain alive during WWII. Halifax, who very nearly defeated him, probably would’ve allowed a negotiated peace with Germany that at best would’ve delayed an awful war, or could’ve very possibly led to a permanently fascist Europe, and an Asia ruled entirely by Imperial Japan.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago

No, Halifax didn’t seek a negotiated peace with Germany, and likely wouldn’t have done unless utter ruin was certain. It didn’t come to that.

Peter B
Peter B
7 days ago

He’s not actually a professor. Small mercies …
There are over 23000 professors in the UK today, so thar bar’s not very high and I quite understand your assumption, since he certainly appears to tick some of the boxes.

Fran Barrett
Fran Barrett
8 days ago

Context and balance old chap,neither of which are evident in this piece.

David Butler
David Butler
8 days ago

Prat by name; prat by nature.

Right-Wing Hippie
Right-Wing Hippie
9 days ago

So…not a fan, I take it.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago

Just a realist. The Churchill Cult, which ignores the man’s very major shortcomings, is ridiculous.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
7 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

And the ideologically Marxist view of the 20th Century ignores crucial details within actual events, to reinforce a grand narrative.
The Holomodor, Kataydn Forest, and even the despicable slaughter the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact enabled are apparently of little concern, when compared to the non-communist or non-fascist sorts of colonialism.

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
7 days ago

One of the greatest men who ever lived, love him warts and all. What is there not to like in someone who enjoys good cigars and Scotch whiskey and brilliant conversation?

Peter B
Peter B
7 days ago

Clueless.
This author has only the most superficial knowledge and understanding of history and it shows (not for the first time). Big on quantity, little on quality.

Ardath Blauvelt
Ardath Blauvelt
8 days ago

And good riddance, eh?
Be careful what you wish for.

Matthew Powell
Matthew Powell
6 days ago

Appalling. Literally cherry picks two word quotes with no context to “prove” his point. A disgrace to his profession and a stain on this institution’s reputation.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
8 days ago

Those who laud Churchill as the progenitor of the welfare state tend to draw a veil over the reality: these measures were mostly designed to create a healthier class of cannon fodder after the example of the Germans.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
7 days ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

I’m not sure you’re right on that point. Chamberlain was certainly a great social reformer, often overlooked, but I doubt he intended the people to be cannon fodder given his abhorrence of war and efforts to avoid it until inevitable.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
8 days ago

Churchill’s career is a catalogue of blunder and cruelty and a few good speeches in the summer of 1940.

Peter B
Peter B
7 days ago

And yet still far more than you’ll ever achieve.

Brian Doyle
Brian Doyle
8 days ago

Ah not a single Scottish service. Man nor civilian had even as much as a hair upon their head ruffled in W W 1 nor 2
Then England drags Scotland out the EU
Little wonder we Scots want to leave you pathetic Little Englanders
All in your own
Just as you the Author of this Leaves Scotland all alone
God f**k the King

tom j
tom j
8 days ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

It is never difficult to distinguish between with a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
8 days ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

What was it PG Wodehouse said about rays of sunshine?

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
8 days ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

I must say the Scots have earned their reputation.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
7 days ago
Reply to  Jerry Carroll

I associate the surname Doyle with a different country, albeit of fellow Celts, but this one laddie may simply be a Scotsmunist.
It is strange what a land of hardy shepherds, fly fishing, stag hunting, and the world’s finest whiskys can produce on occasion, but then again there are two large, post-industrial cities up there, languishing as they have in their Trainspotting.

Peter B
Peter B
7 days ago
Reply to  Brian Doyle

The most perfect example of whataboutery I think I’ve ever seen.
Of course, the article was actually about England. It’s in the title.