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Why I miss the bitchy fashion police Trinny and Susannah would be cancelled today

Back then, they were even called "Trinny and Tranny" and nobody lost their jobs.(Photo by J. Quinton/WireImage)

Back then, they were even called "Trinny and Tranny" and nobody lost their jobs.(Photo by J. Quinton/WireImage)


October 25, 2024   6 mins

Do you remember a time when women on television could be exhilaratingly rude about what other women looked like without everyone else being Deeply Disappointed? On Wednesday I had a flashback to this distant state of affairs as I saw several headlines featuring the words “Trinny and Susannah”. 

Those iconic names thrust me back to 2003 or thereabouts, where — fag in hand on the sofa, bootcut trousers flapping round my ankles — along with much of the country I would find myself raptly watching two posh birds on telly, nominally talking about fashion. Each had a resting bitch face, stripy hair, and anhedonic drawl. In my memory, one of them is jabbing the other’s arm fat aggressively and saying her bracelet makes her look like a Roman Centurion going into battle. It really is true that you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone.

The news stories this week — in the vaguest sense of “news” — were about the respective 20-something daughters of former What Not To Wear presenters Trinny Woodall and Susannah Constantine. Lyla (Trinny’s daughter) and Esme (Susannah’s) are apparently good pals, jointly occupying Tatler’s latest cover and giving an interview together. 

Displaying the slavish respect for social etiquette we have come to expect from members of her generation, Lyla said of the pair’s more famous mothers: “I think they would be cancelled if the show was made now. You can’t really speak to people like that anymore and say things like, ‘You’re so ugly.’” She’s probably right, though. It certainly was a different time. Back then, we even called them Trinny and Tranny and nobody lost their jobs.

Checking in with the internet to remind myself of the details, I found myself gasping with laughter at the two presenters’ brutal summations, coming thick and fast as they comment on the secret filming of some poor schmuck before that week’s redemptive fashion makeover. Take Trinny to a sartorially challenged Church of England vicar: “Just because you wear a dog collar during the day doesn’t give you an excuse to look like a dog’s dinner at night.” Later on, Susannah tells the same woman that she looks like “Robin Cousins about to go onto the ice rink in those trousers”. 

In another episode, Trinny says of an admin manager attempting to use quirky prints to distract from her large bosom: “To have a skyscraper on your left tit and a bridge on your right does nothing to detract from the size of your breasts.” But then again, they are just as critical about themselves. Susannah frequently unveils her wobbly tummy in order to poke and berate it for the benefit of viewers. The skeletal Trinny gamely does her bit too, persisting in the fiction that she is a “saddlebagger” with “thick calves” and “stumpy legs”.

As each presenter receives soul-crushing feedback from the other with serene equanimity, one wondered how they are still standing, let alone positively rocking a floaty skirt and knee-high boot. In one clip I watched, Susannah appraises a dress of Trinny’s thus: “Oh my god, I can’t bear to see it… look at your bottom… your bottom is just dribbling down the back of your legs, so we really are seeing the shortness of those little stumps.” Later on, Trinny tries to get her revenge, leaping on her co-presenter’s crop top: “You turn round and you see the tummy and you think urgh, that’s actually disgusting.”

The canonical story about What Not to Wear — emerging towards the end of its run and barely challenged since — was that the programme was viciously cruel and intensely classist, teaching a generation of young women to hate themselves. The sociologist Angela McRobbie has even written about its “post-feminist symbolic violence” towards working-class women, in the form of “public humiliation of people for their failure to adhere to middle-class standards in speech or appearance”. 

She lists a number of the presenters’ most judgemental moments, describing them as “reminiscent of Fifties boarding school stories where the nasty snobbish girls ridicule the poor scholarship girl for her appearance, manners, upbringing, accent and shabbily dressed parents”.  These include: “‘what a dreary voice’, ‘look at how she walks’, ‘she shouldn’t put ketchup on her chips’, ‘she looks like a mousy librarian’… ‘your hair looks like an overgrown poodle’, ‘your teeth are yellow, have you been eating grass?’ and ‘Oh My God… she looks like a German lesbian’”. Put like that, it does seem McRobbie might have a point. 

And yet, viewed with the luxury of hindsight, more redeeming features of the programme emerge — especially when we think about what has come since. For one thing, it isn’t true that Trinny and Susannah were only savagely rude about working-class women. Middle-class and upper-class women would get the hose too; see the aforementioned vicar. The transgressively unrestrained jibes were equally distributed, it seemed to me.

Meanwhile the crudest caricatures, as the programme-makers plainly realised, were Trinny and Susannah themselves. Even McRobbie was forced to acknowledge the “degree of self-conscious irony” with which the pair lounged around, faces guarded and contemptuous, spitting out their damning verdicts in cut-glass tones with an air of pernickety feudal lords, assessing local girls with an eye to droit du seigneur. We were supposed to laugh at them rather than with them, and they knew it, hamming up the cold fish poshness to often hilarious effect.

“We were supposed to laugh at them rather than with them, and they knew it”

But more than this: the conceit of the show was not that its hosts were perfect while other mere mortals were flawed. It was understood that every woman had “problem areas”, Trinny and Susannah included. Their big idea was that you didn’t need to change yourself by diet or exercise; all you needed was a bit of tailoring or strategically placed ruching to make the most of what nature gave you. Women are all in this together, was the underlying subtext, and every imperfection can be disguised with artful tricks. If you have big hips, relax; get a jacket that covers them and not a short one that cuts straight across. If you have massive knockers, lucky you; just step away from the polo necks and get something with a scooped front instead.

At base, Trinny and Susannah were exhorting women to face their fears about bodily imperfection and decrepitude, in the manner of psychoanalysts forcing a patient in denial to name out loud what scares her and so relieve it of its power. In later seasons, this tendency reached its peak with the concept of the 360° mirror. Before its pitiless gaze, some mortified woman would be unceremoniously deposited in bra and knickers, taking the hit for all of us as the hosts commented, poked, and prodded, before inevitably suggesting a trouser with a side zip.

I have no doubt that the women concerned absolutely hated it, but I don’t buy the wider complaint that the wrong message about size and shape was thereby sent to viewers. On the contrary — I think that most of us looked on with sympathetic fellow feeling, and came away with some relief and even hope. Instead of private, shame-filled self-chastisement about a particular problem area, perhaps we could just accept that everybody has one or two of the blasted things, then go shopping to celebrate.

Since then, officially sanctioned attitudes to female physiques have been revolutionised, with body positivity and self-acceptance the new bywords in places such as the BBC. For at least a decade, our progressive overlords have been furiously pretending that beauty standards for women are just radically contingent cultural norms; that if we all act like anything goes, then soon enough, it will. 

Yet strangely, this doesn’t seem to have made women any more content. Cosmetic surgery is a growing trend even in the young, and there has been a recent large increase in the numbers of hospital admissions for eating disorders. We have invented a whole new set of fashionable ways for women and girls to punish themselves in the quest to meet, or escape, standards of physical perfection: chopping old bits off as well as inserting new ones, chemically removing appetites, fasting for days, or doing CrossFit ‘til you’re sick.  

At the same time, evolving social mores have deprived us of the vocabulary to describe what it is we are running towards, or from: the basic knowledge that some faces and bodies are just more symmetrical, well-proportioned, and generally pleasing than others. Perversely, in well-intentioned attempts to deny this point, all we have managed to do is lose opportunities to cut its relative importance in life down to size.

After the demise of What Not to Wear, the televisual theatre of cruelty didn’t disappear, it just changed tack. Instead of watching a woman’s appearance being bitchily appraised for the purposes of cathartic female team-building, we started watching more fundamental aspects of people’s characters being demolished. Delusional would-be pop stars with no talent would be humiliated to tears by a pompous Simon Cowell; desperate and chaotic restaurant owners were screamed at by a psychopathic Gordon Ramsay. Instead of the jolly, bawdy identification of relatively trivial problems, fixable by a side zip or a bit of clever fabric-gathering, we got vulnerable people’s deep-seated character flaws and weaknesses, mercilessly exposed. But that’s progress for you.

Knowing their time was up, Trinny went off and founded a make-up empire — apparently succumbing to the lure of the plastic surgeon in the end, and thereby negating the central message of her old programme in the process. Susannah, meanwhile, has become a fabulous all-natural dowager-type on Instagram, grumpily hawking supplements on the balcony of her Greek villa and delivering vaguely depressive rants from the bath about the poor quality of M&S pyjamas. Her followers plainly adore her. What with Jilly Cooper’s Rivals now in vogue, and outrageous toffs apparently in the ascendancy once again, she should be resurrected as a national treasure forthwith.

But still, to me her golden age will always be alongside Trinny in the early Noughties, forming a comic televisual duo to rival the great Fanny and Johnnie Craddock in their campy hauteur. Search it out now: the perfect refuge from the boredom and oppression of today’s What Not to Say.


Kathleen Stock is an UnHerd columnist and a co-director of The Lesbian Project.
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Andrew
Andrew
1 month ago

What a hoot! I used to watch the US version for years, and it was VERY different. A lot tamer. Probably a lot less fun.

LOL I used to think (US show) Stacey was too brutal at times — but I realize now that I felt this way because she wasn’t funny! And she didn’t turn the spotlight on herself like these two did.

Excellent point that “the televisual theatre of cruelty didn’t disappear, it just changed tack.” I watched Ramsay for a while, but eventually felt disgusted and stopped. Such a small man.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
1 month ago

We used to be able to laugh at ourselves in a time not that long ago. People took themselves less seriously and felt no need to pose in faux outrage on behalf of some group that never asked to be pitied.
There is an unmentioned difference, too, between these women and the Cowell/Ramsey programs. The two guys are bashing people to their faces in an environment where the point is to be a humorless a$$ho!e, not to make crack one-liners.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

“We used to be able to laugh at ourselves”
I still laugh at you all the time…

John Riordan
John Riordan
1 month ago

“I still laugh at you all the time…”

But not at yourself, which both makes his point and explains your own inability to ever say anything insightful or perceptive.

Mark Cornish
Mark Cornish
1 month ago
Reply to  John Riordan

Took the words right out of my mouth!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 month ago

Well there is a lot about you to laugh at

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago

That’s two upvotes from me already. The rest has done you good. You’re on form.

Right-Wing Hippie
Right-Wing Hippie
1 month ago

The difference between the neo-Victorians and the originals is that the neo-Victorians manage to be both priggish and crass. The Victorians may have been a bunch of self-righteous stuffed shirts, but at least they had manners. Today’s Grundys will attempt to shut down behavior they find objectionable in the most offensive, confrontational way possible, and believe that doing so is a sign of moral character. And for extra churlishness, their prudery is based not on a genuine concern for improving public morals but out of ideological one-upmanship and totalitarian political peevishness, making them more kin to the Maoist Red Guards than to Bowdler or Comstock.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 month ago

The neos never had the advantages of the Church of England.

Geoff W
Geoff W
1 month ago

Note to Poppy Sowerby: This is how to write intelligently about popular culture.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
1 month ago
Reply to  Geoff W

You’re channelling your inner Trinny there, Geoff.

Geoff W
Geoff W
1 month ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

I prefer to think of it as my Knowall Goodall, Lancs.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 month ago
Reply to  Geoff W

Sad, old man. You probably believe that young people should be seen but not heard. Poppy is a different generation from Kathleen and writes about a different generation with an understanding that many of the people she writes for are detached from her subject matter.

John Riordan
John Riordan
1 month ago

Not really. Poppy might one day match Kathleen Stock’s wit and insight, but she’s not there yet. This is not a criticism, just an observation that she’s younger and less experienced.

Dylan B
Dylan B
1 month ago

The loss of this show might partly explain why our TV news presenters are so badly dressed. I swear I’ve seen Ugg boots on one presenter. And no, they weren’t on location they were in the studio!

And yes it does matter. You’re on TV for crying out loud. Make an effort. It’s pathetic.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
1 month ago
Reply to  Dylan B

What nonsense you old codgers talk!

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago
Reply to  Dylan B

OMG – not Ugg boots! It’ll be jeggings next!

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
1 month ago

Stock is really getting into the whole reactionary gammon thing isn’t she. All for a few clicks from the swivel eyed loons. Slightly sad isn’t it?

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago

Not so sure about that, but I do feel that she is perhaps re evaluating feminist ideas from the past which she perhaps once agreed with. I thought this was evident in her book as well.

I wasn’t that keen on this piece. TV programmes based on low level meanness just aren’t my cup of tea. The only good thing about it is that it is a timely illustration of what is wrong with the Manichaen men bad, women good view of things.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago

To me the article, which I enjoyed, basically highlighted the freedom of speech which we have lost to the snow flake, “I’ve been insulted generation”. It was a show of its time, and obviously appealed to many people, me being one of them. One could at least learn something from it, and the participants took part willingly.

Point of Information
Point of Information
1 month ago

Typo:

“Yet strangely, this doesn’t seem to have made women any less content.”

“…any more content”.

Point of Information
Point of Information
1 month ago

Thanks for rectifying.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 month ago

I loved them. They were super funny and yes, they managed to get all shapes and sizes looking good in the right clothes.

John Riordan
John Riordan
1 month ago

I never watched Trinny and Susannah, but I do also miss the almost casual cruelty of TV in the noughties. Not the cruelty itself, but the freedom of expression that made it possible. We have indeed lost that.

Rachel Hattersley
Rachel Hattersley
1 month ago

I, too, watched WNTW with my bootcuts “flapping round my ankles” and think you’ve got this spot-on, and given me a laugh in the process! Far better to swap the polo neck for the scoop, than to be marched off for nips and tucks à la “Ten Years Younger”…

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
1 month ago

Women are all in this together, was the underlying subtext”. Except that’s not really true is it. Nature is very unfair in its distribution of physical comeliness. This is something that will always cause disappointment and resentment in the less lucky ones. And it is something that tends to get shied away from in journalism…. the huge difference between the fortunes of what one might term the More and the Less Desired of each sex. https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/the-less-desired. The huge intra-sexual differences between the experiences of prettiest women and the less attractive ones; and between confident ‘alpha’ males and ‘betas’ rarely gets acknowledged.
So there’s ‘What Not to Say’ and then there’s ‘What Not to Notice’.

B Emery
B Emery
1 month ago

‘The sociologist Angela McRobbie has even written about its “post-feminist symbolic violence” towards working-class women, in the form of “public humiliation of people for their failure to adhere to middle-class standards in speech or appearance”.’

What on earth is post feminist symbolic violence. Well we loved it, watched it every week, I didn’t realise they were slammed by socioligists with no sense of humour.

‘ The transgressively unrestrained jibes were equally distributed, it seemed to me.’

I agree, the ladies in our house didn’t feel like persecuted working class women anyway, do you think the sociologist lady actually asked any working class ladies what they thought before she got her pen out to protect us from’ post feminist symbolic violence,’.

‘ spitting out their damning verdicts in cut-glass tones with an air of pernickety feudal lords,’

This is so funny. That’s what we used to do when we watched it too. Probably without the cut glass tones though and more swearing. It’s very cathartic.

‘I think that most of us looked on with sympathetic fellow feeling, and came away with some relief and even hope. Instead of private, shame-filled self-chastisement about a particular problem area, perhaps we could just accept that everybody has one or two of the blasted things, then go shopping to celebrate.’

Absolutely. They did do a good job too, the transformations using just clothes, hair and makeup were pretty fabulous, I’m pretty sure most of the ladies that took part were really pleased too.

‘ Back then, we even called them Trinny and Tranny and nobody lost their jobs’

Can we have those days back please.

Michael Askew
Michael Askew
1 month ago

Brilliantly observed and laugh out loud funny, kathleen Stock is fast becoming a national treasure.
If I may add one absurdity to the pile, I recently heard a young (overweight, very average) young woman on an American panel discussion say that she had spent a great deal of money on therapy to convince herself that she is a 10 out 10 when it comes to beauty.

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael Askew

This “women are all tens stuff” is very striking, though I don’t know how widespread it really is. The idea seems to be that you should be confident and full of self belief – rather than that women actually are. Though it does seem to be the case that women overestimate themselves relative to men.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago
Reply to  David Morley

Uh, men overestimate themselves, too. It’s called trying to get a date with a good looking person.

David Newman
David Newman
1 month ago

In Cambridge Arts Theatre’s “Cinderella” this year there aren’t any Ugly Sisters – they’re “Wicked Sisters”, but at least they’re still blokes in frocks

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 month ago
Reply to  David Newman

But “wicked” in youth speak means “great” or presumably when it comes to looks very attractive

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
1 month ago

No no no. That’s wikkid!

You ain’t down wid da kidz like wot I iz, old thing

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 month ago

You are just down with the dyslexic ones

Judith Shapland
Judith Shapland
1 month ago

Great entertaining article KS ( Nice to have a break from overly worthy up-tight stuffy pants articles !!!) I always thought of T&S as the Fashionista Storm-troopers but they were hilarious & never did take themselves TOO seriously….blimey it wasn’t all that long ago but WTF has happened to our ability to differentiate between humour & po-faced outrage at any alternative view to the approved doctrine….The hideous nonsense of ‘Be Kind’ parroted by the real social fascists of today would be funny if it wasn’t utterly depressing & grim

Susie Bell
Susie Bell
1 month ago

What has happened? Tony Blair made our kids all go to university to be brain washed by humourless, nihilist Marxists. The result has been to almost completely expunge British eccentricity and individuality and replace it with a group think adherence that would have impressed a pre enlightenment Pope.

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago

For at least a decade, our progressive overlords have been furiously pretending that beauty standards for women are just radically contingent cultural norms

I thought our overlords were the patriarchy. Have I missed some sort of revolution? Why are people still blaming the patriarchy for stuff? Confused!

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago

I can’t say I ever watched it. Probably caught a glimpse and decided it wasn’t for me. Of all the things to get nostalgic about, female meanness seems an odd choice.

Besides, there’s still plenty of it on the internet, and men are still a socially acceptable target. Take, for example, the various bizarre “relationship tests” doing the rounds.

And there’s plenty of anti female female stuff if that’s what you’re looking for, though it tends to focus on genuinely poor female behaviour rather than bad clothing choices.

Judy Posner
Judy Posner
1 month ago

They were wonderful, educational and empowering for women, encouraging everyone to work with their positive features rather than emphasizing the negative. I miss them.

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago
Reply to  Judy Posner

empowering for women

If only we’d known at the time! I remember the uproar every time a female politician (or other prominent figure) was criticised for her fashion choices. This was sexist, and would never be done to man. If only we’d realised at the time that it was actually empowering.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
1 month ago

“massive knockers”.

I have enjoyed Ms Stock’s writing in this organ for sometime. A very thoughtful and intelligent person who writes clearly for the likes of me.

However, seeing use the phrase “massive knockers” makes me forever her slave.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 month ago

I was with it until “Women are all in this together.”

Maybe I’d read better if I scrolled faster.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
1 month ago

A couple of decades ago, Joan Rivers, a brilliant and brutal comedian who got her start back in the Sixties, had a show where she critiqued the gowns that actresses were wearing on the red carpet for the Oscars. I like watching the mostly beautiful gowns, and then I discovered Joan’s show. Her takedowns of the actress’s gowns, were hilarious. Gowns I would have thought were pretty, suddenly were outrageously ugly. She never attacked the women’s looks, after all they were all gorgeous. But the dresses were fair game. I guess for Joan, and me, it was a way to make us feel better about ourselves. But it was not very nice.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 month ago

Living in another country I’ve never had a chance to watch that show but it sounds like something I would have enjoyed. I find the show Absolutely Fabulous Hilarious.

David Morley
David Morley
1 month ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

AbFab is totally different, and yes it was extremely funny.

Douglas Redmayne
Douglas Redmayne
1 month ago

Trinity and Suzannah are a pair of nasty privileged women. I am unsurprised that you like them.

Delta Chai
Delta Chai
1 month ago

Having known nothing about the show, I recently came across the book What Not To Wear. In it the two of them contrast good and bad styles for various given problem areas.

It was certainly interesting, but very much highlighted to me that their recommendations are really quite subjective. Yes, a preference for symmetry and “healthy” looks is probably universal, but even what the latter means has varied quite a bit over time. When it comes to clothes, then, there are plenty of clashing opinions.

I think that’s where the classist and snobbishness accusations come from: a sense that these particular opinions were being elevated above all else.

Heather Erickson
Heather Erickson
1 month ago

You know, I don’t know how many sob stories on reality TV or TikTiok I’ve heard about “I was picked on relentlessly so I showed the bullies and became a great person”. It’s like a continual testimony that bullying works. It’s so natural amongst kids, that literally ALL of us can remember a time we were ‘bullied’. Yet here we are telling kids to accept everyone and bullying is bad and what do we get? This woke ass nonsense that’s destroying society.