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When Trump fed the press a nothingburger It smells like the Hunter Biden laptop story

A media mcflurry ensued. Doug Mills-Pool/Getty Images

A media mcflurry ensued. Doug Mills-Pool/Getty Images


October 25, 2024   8 mins

In his 1991 song “New Jack Hustler”, Ice T tells a tale that was already a gangsta rap cliche when the song was released — a narrator’s first-person story of his career as a successful seller of drugs, a busy killer of criminal rivals, a prolific gatherer of cash money, and a stubborn survivor in a milieu of regular murder. The song consists of dozens of ostensibly rhyming couplets. Few of them read quite as well on the page as they sound in Ice T’s cranky-old-man delivery, but this one is kind of snappy: “All I think about is keys and Gs/Imagine that, me workin’ at Mickey D’s.” Ice T is doing two notable things here. He’s borrowing his lyrical flow from Rakim (of Erik B and Rakim), which shows good taste if not comparable talent or originality, and he’s justifying his narrator’s glamorous but desperate and probably suicidal way of life by contrasting it with a job at McDonald’s.

The idea of working at McDonald’s generally carries this meaning in American culture. It’s one option of a tough choice, part of a bargain that’ll probably be a bummer either way. It’s McDonald’s or unemployment. McDonald’s or welfare. McDonald’s or getting kicked out of your mom’s house. Ice T’s depiction of this bargain is extreme in its terms, but it captures something that, even when the choices aren’t so stark, often attaches to the McDonald’s option — a hint of shame, because you’ve tumbled into the unhappy trope. You’re workin’ at Mickey D’s. It’s not really the worst job you can have, but, when people think of the worst job you can have, a lot of them think of McDonald’s. The idea of working in the back flipping burgers and dunking fries in spattering grease is pretty bad. But, especially for someone like Ice T’s ghetto hustler, working in front has to be much worse. Standing at a cash register when your boys roll in, wearing a brown uniform and a paper hat and mouthing an obsequious question scripted in a distant office, must be something like the existential death Hegel imagined in his master-slave dialectic, when the man who values survival over status surrenders himself to the man who values status over survival.

Given all this, it’s wild to see a campaign battle between America’s two presidential candidates over which of them can more believably claim the exalted mantle of having worked at McDonald’s. In case you haven’t kept up with the drama, it grows from a claim by Kamala Harris that, during the summer of 1983, she worked at one in Alameda, California, where, she’s said, she “did fries”. Harris first mentioned her McDonald’s job in 2019, and has brought it up several times this year. Alas, no one has produced reliable evidence to confirm this item from her work history, and Trump has seized on this tiny epistemic void, her McDonald’s job hovering in its limbo of unconfirmability, to mount his own much splashier, much Trumpier claim: Harris is lying about having worked at McDonald’s. And then, to more fully exploit this moment of uncertainty, Trump visited a closed McDonald’s in the small town of Feasterville, in the swing state of Pennsylvania, and exuberantly pretended to work there for 15 minutes. The crowds outside, Trump said as he dunked sliced potatoes in boiling grease, were huge. His very brief McDonald’s stint was a big success.

“It’s McDonald’s or unemployment. McDonald’s or welfare. McDonald’s or getting kicked out of your mom’s house.”

Now, the first question to clear up, the question Ice T’s hustler would probably want answered, is why the hell anyone would pretend to work at McDonald’s, or lie about having worked there, or brag about it at all, however honestly. In Harris’s case, there are two slightly different answers. In 2019, it would have made sense as a way of appealing to the progressive voters she thought controlled her path to the Democratic presidential nomination. Working at McDonald’s would be a badge of low or oppressed status, especially for a female or uterus-having candidate of colour, and badges of low or oppressed status were valued highly by progressives of the time, especially when worn by people who are also, in the more conventional terms of education and employment and cultural refinement, undeniably high status. In October 2024, the calculation is slightly different. Instead of advertising her erstwhile low status as a fast-food worker, as a way of cementing her claim to high status as a progressive politician, Harris would like her former job at McDonald’s to endear her to the working-class voters she needs in crucial swing states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan. (That “working class” in Pennsylvania is now signified by a french-fryer job at a rural McDonald’s rather than unionised work in a Pittsburgh steel factory is something to pause over, I suppose.)

Trump’s calculations were more straightforward. The uncertainty around that 1983 summer job gave him enough (for him) latitude to accuse his opponent of lying, and Trump, a prolific liar himself, really likes to accuse his opponents of lying. Indeed, one suspects that Trump staged his 15 minutes of french-fry making fame entirely as a set-up for the punchline he delivered when he was finished — “I’ve now worked [at McDonald’s] for 15 minutes more than Kamala.” Several times, while speaking out the drive-through window to friendly reporters, he repeated that Kamala had lied about her McDonald’s job, while also lying about McDonald’s confirming his claim that Harris was lying. It hadn’t confirmed this.

For me, Trump calling Harris a liar on this seemingly trivial point is irresponsible. I think you should have solid proof before you accuse someone of lying. Then again, I’m sort of pathologically credulous, dangerously slow to suspect the person I’m talking to might not be as childishly earnest in conversation as I am. Lying is destructive of communicative trust, but so is accusing people of lying.

Yet Trump’s accusation does have a little behind it. Reporters friendly to the Harris campaign have produced one person who backs up Harris’s claim, but only third-hand. That is, an old friend of Harris’s when they were teenagers remembers Harris’s mother later saying something about Kamala having worked at McDonald’s. Media have treated this bit of hearsay as serious evidence, but you only have to imagine the tables being turned to see how little evidentiary work it really does. If it were Trump, in other words, reporters would roll their eyes. And the Washington Free Beacon provides a big enough stack of circumstantial evidence that Kamala haters can keep believing what they believe already, and others with more open minds can reasonably wonder if this might be a case of stolen fast-food valour after all.

For example, a job at McDonald’s seems like something Harris would have eagerly discussed in her two autobiographical books, which strain to present her as a plucky product of a humble upbringing. But neither book mentions it, even though, as the Free Beacon notes, her 2019 campaign biography These Truths We Hold “devotes a chapter to the struggles of the working-class and assails the service industry’s ‘starvation wages'”. Not brandishing such a shiny autobiographical nugget in this discussion does seem uncommonly modest for a presidential candidate.

And why have we heard nothing from Harris’s sister Maya, the Stanford-trained lawyer who earlier worked on Harris’s campaign, and who’d have been a teenager when Kamala was supposedly working at Mickey D’s? Smells generate some of the strongest memories, and making fast-food french fries is notorious for how it leaves people smelling. One of my best friends in high school worked at our town’s A&W, the chain of drive-in hamburger joints famous for its root beer. I remember him smelling exactly like french fries when he got off work. Does Maya Harris remember her big sister smelling like french fries when she got home from her summer job at McDonald’s?

No one seems to have asked her, which points to a depressing side-issue. Uncertainty around Harris’s summer job in 1983 has presented a sort of test to elite media, and they have failed. With Trump rushing in to exploit this uncertainty and rake in a huge pile of free and favourable publicity, while littering the ground with his own lies and partial-truths, they’ve responded in a way that exhibits, as if in pathological symptoms and uncontrollable tics, a chronic syndrome in their journalism. A New York Times article from last Sunday is a prominent example. Its sub-headline says: “Donald Trump has claimed without evidence that Ms. Harris never worked at the fast-food chain. Her campaign and a friend say she did.” This is echoed in the body of the piece: “Lacking a shred of proof, he has charged that she never actually worked under the golden arches.” In these formulations, a political campaign’s mere assertion and one woman’s memory of something Harris’s mother told her at some unspecified time count as proof, while all the circumstantial evidence amassed by the Washington Free Beacon doesn’t even count as evidence.

And you can see the Times trying to sculpt their one piece of substantiating evidence so that it looks more solid and imposing than it really is. The article states that “Waanda Kagan, a close friend of Ms. Harris’s when they attended high school together in Montreal, said she recalled Ms. Harris having worked at McDonald’s around that time.” This makes it sound as if Ms Kagan has conveyed a direct contemporaneous memory of Harris and her job. But in the next paragraph we read, “Ms. Kagan said that Ms. Harris’s mother, who died in 2009, had told Ms. Kagan about the summer job years ago.” So, Harris’s close friend Wanda Kagan knows that Harris worked at McDonald’s because, at some later date, Harris’s mother told her? Not Harris herself? This seems like the sort of curious, murky account of a live issue that a self-respecting reporter would try to clarify a little further, but the Times presents the Wanda Kagan story as if it settles things, as if there’s no journalistic need to corroborate that story by, say, contacting Maya Harris and probing her olfactory memories, asking whether she remembers a smell of french fries from the summer of 1983.

In a long thread on X, conservative media reporter Drew Holden includes this article among a startling number of examples of news outlets giving snide, niggling, gratuitously skeptical commentary as they reported on Trump’s McDonald’s performance. Holden portrays these as “outrage porn”, but, with a few exceptions, it’s not really outrage we’re seeing. It’s fretfulness and worry. It’s helplessness. As I said above, it’s panic.

Theoretically at least, there was a journalistic balance to strike when Trump pulled his McDonald’s stunt. The press could have done its reporting from the sidelines, quoting Trump’s accusation that Harris lied about working at McDonald’s while noting that such a strong accusation should be backed up by something like proof. They could have, as they have done, reported that Trump himself openly lied when he said that McDonald’s has confirmed his claim about Harris. They could even have reported some of Trump’s odd behaviour has he pretended to fry those sliced potatoes. They might have described his awkward movements, his odd and yet familiar fixation, before all that boiling grease, with the size of the adoring crowds surrounding the humble restaurant. They might have related how he made a big, germaphobic deal about the special technology McDonald’s has for making sure those sacred potatoes are never touched, never despoiled, by “the human hand”.

They could have done this while also conceding that Harris’s claim about working at McDonald’s is indeed light on corroboration. Instead, they’ve seemed desperate to put themselves in the action, to undo Trump’s (sleazy and undeserved, if also enviable and impressive) PR triumph through sarcasm and bad framing, while pretending that obvious questions about Kamala Harris’s McDonald’s story have been answered, when they haven’t. The media have, thus, looked like they’re trying to weaken Trump and protect Harris. They’ve looked, in other words, like they’re a little freaked out, a little scared that a faithful telling of this McDonald’s story might help him win. It’s not exactly the Hunter Biden laptop story, but it kind of feels like the Hunter Biden laptop story.

I have my own suspicions about Harris’s claim, and I’m obviously a little disgusted with how the press has handled it. But I can’t help feeling sorry for her. She had no way to foresee the Trumpian Kung Fu she was opening herself up to when, truthfully or not, she claimed she once had a low-status fast food job. The most clairvoyant politician or political strategist could not have anticipated what Donald Trump, with his greasy and smelly methods, would make of the greasy and smelly mythos of the lowly job at McDonald’s.

It’s a sorry episode all around, but maybe it’ll have an upside. Maybe all the political bragging about having a job at McDonald’s will kill the stigma that attaches to this essential work. And maybe, in the future, on their way to higher education and better jobs and happy lives as successful adults, some larger number of young men will end up flippin’ burgers and dunkin’ fries at Mickey D’s, instead of trying their finite luck as ghetto hustlers.


Matt Feeney is a writer based in California and the author of Little Platoons: A defense of family in a competitive age


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Seb Dakin
Seb Dakin
27 days ago

I worked at McDonald’s, back in 6th form. I’m proud of having worked there, learned a lot, had a laugh and funded my underage drinking. I can remember the names and faces of the people who worked there, and it would take no time at all on the internet to rustle some up to support that claim.
Harris is lying.
Is what the narrative is unless she can provide some evidence to show that she’s not. This is a really bad look for her. She’s a presidential candidate and has a staff of goodness-knows how many people to do the donkey work for her, and days have gone by since this allegation emerged. No evidence has been forthcoming.
Harris is lying.
She’s not my cup of tea anyway, but if she had been, this would have torpedoed any chance she had of my vote. Some champagne socialist trying get working class votes by lying about working at McDonald’s? Sorry sister, that’s ugly, and cheap.

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago
Reply to  Seb Dakin

Sorry sister, that’s ugly, and cheap.
That’s, essentially, the issue. She tried to somehow convince the workers that she’s one of them. That’s the most insulting part, that she thinks she can lie so easily and convince them to vote for her because they’re (they must be) stupid.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
27 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

I’ll vote for her. One finger up. Two in the uk.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

As opposed to the intelligentsia that are flocking to Trump! LOL! You people are utter morons – you believe Trump for starters!

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago

I can’t even make a connection between my comment and yours. Does what you say about the Trump intelligentsia negate what I said about Harris, and if so how?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

Of course you can’t. You’re a Trump cultist and a fool.

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago

You make it for me then. We don’t need a reference to Trump to establish something happened in the world.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
24 days ago

He’s not drinking champaign, it’s plonk as usual. As the coming Trump landslide approaches, that cheap wine is having a predictable affect on his thinking processes. His posts are entertaining, however.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
27 days ago

Starters? Don’t you mean hors d’oeuvres?

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

Don’t get fancy, our kid!

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
27 days ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

Only if he got a ticket for kerb-crawling the drive-thru. Which I can imagine.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
27 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

But also the author’s standpoint is misconceived.
“For me, Trump calling Harris a liar on this seemingly trivial point is irresponsible. I think you should have solid proof before you accuse someone of lying.”
In this scenario you do not need proof to accuse someone of lying because you will never get it. How do you prove that someone’s claim that they worked at an unspecified branch of MacDonald’s. You can’t and if you followed the author’s dictum they would always get away with it. You call them out and if they can’t back up the claim then they are lying, as Harris is here.
Also, having said you need solid proof before you accuse someone of lying, the author them accuses Trump of lying about MacDonald’s confirming that Harris never worked there. Where is his proof for this accusation? How does he know that Trump did not speak to a contact at MacDonald’s who told him that Harris never worked there but that they could not afford to say so publicly. He doesn’t
Also, there is a lazy assumption in the article that Trump is a liar. I venture to suggest that he is clearly not as big a liar as Biden or either of the Clintons. Harris and Obama I do not know about.

Catherine Conroy
Catherine Conroy
26 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

You’re right and Champagne Socialist, below, is not even worth addressing. I think he’s just a lonely sociopath.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
26 days ago

I think he collects a salary for his work here. It’s too depressing to think he’s reading and responding to the general tenor of these comments otherwise.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
24 days ago

Yes, he is paid, but it’s not much, not even a pittance. You’d be depressed, too. Winter is coming on and the heat won’t be turned on in his basement hovel, and there is also the threat the landlord will ask him to switch to the shack outside without insulation. So cut him some slack.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
24 days ago

There is a neighbor who looks in now and then.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago
Reply to  Seb Dakin

You called?!?!
You do realize the delicious irony of Trump calling anyone else a liar, don’t you? Its almost as funny as when he calls other people dumb!
Or are you claiming that Trump is honest and smart? Really?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
27 days ago

They all lie – every single damn one of them.

Martin M
Martin M
27 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I saw a good description of Trump yesterday – “He lies as others breathe”.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
27 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Oh come on, you lie too. So do I — I lie all the time. We can’t be objective, just subjective, so we can never be totally truthful. We’re like Captain Kirk, not like Mr. Spock (who was more objective than humans but less than Vulcans).
Humans are irrational. We rely on our emotions rather than reason. Instead of being rational, we rationalize. And that’s not a bad thing. People who see the world as it really is are clinically depressed.
Do you really think Kamala Harris is any more truthful than Donald Trump? If you do, is that a good thing?
Because the top, top executives are known for bending reality. Steve Jobs was famously known for his “reality distortion field.” This term was coined by Bud Tribble in 1981 to describe Steve Jobs’ charismatic and persuasive ability to convince himself and others to believe the impossible. Steve Jobs used a mix of hyperbole, persistence, and passion to inspire his team and push the boundaries of innovation. (And, unfortunately, insults too. Steve Jobs could be a jerk. He did have his faults.)
Highly effective executives like Elon Musk and Donald Trump share that quality. Their ability to inspire, persuade, and sometimes bend reality to fit their vision is a hallmark of their leadership styles. This “reality distortion field” helps them push boundaries and achieve great things. A mix of charisma, confidence, and relentless drive sets them apart. Donald Trump calls his “truthful hyperbole”. These two too have their faults, but as Peter Drucker says, strong people have strong weaknesses. You have to choose based on the strengths people have, not the weaknesses they lack.
Kamala Harris doesn’t have that kind of strength — a reality distortion field about her. She just cackles and serves up word salads, which is at least as deceitful and a lot less effective.

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Even though the left know Trump lies they still take the bait every time and his supporters get a good laugh out of it.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
27 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Interesting comment for sure. Thanks.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

I’m intrigued. What is it you think I lie about?

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
26 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Humourous, so what do you call living (well campaigning, because they clearly couldn’t live by it) by a narrative that requires unicorns and fairy dust to be reality.

Is that lieing?

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Bret Larson

I don’t know what “lieing” is, but I assume you mean lying. Lying is a knowing mis-statement of a fact. If I said that I am 6’8″ tall, or that I have a pilot’s licence, those would be lies (assuming that I were not obviously joking). If a person says something that is erroneous, but they believe it to be true, then that isn’t a lie. Politicians mostly campaign on what they propose to do in the future. They would only be said to by lying about something liker that if they have no intention of doing what they say they are going to do.

David Lawrence
David Lawrence
25 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Martin, I quote you twice:
”He lied when he said he didn’t lose the 2020 election. That might only be one, but it is quite a big one.”
“If a person says something that is erroneous, but they believe it to be true, then that isn’t a lie.”
By your own definition…

Martin M
Martin M
24 days ago
Reply to  David Lawrence

The “I didn’t lose the 2020 election” thing was made up by Rudi Giuliani, on zero evidence. If your point is that Trump has repeated it often enough that it is now “true” in his crazy orange head, you may have a point. However, he didn’t believe it was true initially, and it was thus a “lie” at that point.

Seb Dakin
Seb Dakin
27 days ago

As JV says below, all of them lie, of courseTrump too. What I think Harris’s problem is with this particular lie is that it is at once condescending and patronising to the people whose support she is presumably trying to get, and I’m supposing it’s working class people, to think that a stint in McDonalds somehow makes her like them. It’s also dreadfully poor judgment, to tell an obvious lie that can be checked really easily, and contemptuous inasmuch as it implies her audience are too lazy, stupid or feckless to bother questioning whether it’s true. This is her ‘basket of deplorables’ moment. My comment made no claims about Trump whatsoever. Simply that this is a really bad campaign move for Harris. Someone running around telling fibs about whether they worked for McDonalds in order to make people like them is obviously lacking in character or integrity. She’s trying to be elected President. This is pitiful behaviour.

AC Harper
AC Harper
27 days ago
Reply to  Seb Dakin

…or perhaps her ‘basket of fries’ moment?

Martin M
Martin M
27 days ago
Reply to  Seb Dakin

Oh. Does the fact that Trump is a pathological liar mean he has no chance of getting your vote?

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Is he a pathological liar or just someone who will tell a lie when he feels like it?

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

Aren’t they the same thing?

K H
K H
25 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Martin, you are in way over your head here. Need to find another forum.

Martin M
Martin M
24 days ago
Reply to  K H

Because you are all Trump Fanboys here? If it’s any consolation, I comment on the Guardian too.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
27 days ago
Reply to  Seb Dakin

Most college students in the US will do a job like Mickey D’s. If Kamala didn’t, then she was a little princess and not as representative of the graduate vote that she craves.

Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
27 days ago
Reply to  Seb Dakin

I’m older than Kamala and yet I could still, with a couple of phone calls, summon up three or four people to testify that I worked part time at Tesco when I was 16. She’s lying. But almost worse is the nature of the lie. Sad. Trump’s detractors are utterly blind to the idea that a good chunk of his support comes from people who recognise what a reprehensible human being is but calculate that he would be an effective president.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
27 days ago

Or that he is their reprehensible human being as opposed to the reprehensible human being of those that hate and want to destroy them

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
26 days ago

Or is he ‘reprehensible’ because thats what the Dems say.I notice that when we talk about Kamala’s lies, they are identified. I cannot find (?) one identifiable lie by Trump in these comments or even in the article.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
26 days ago

‘In keeping with the (election) season’ I can only point out that “reprehensible” is a relative term.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
26 days ago

I picked apricots when I was 13 for one summer. I couldn’t find anyone who could confirm that for me if my life depended on it. Nevertheless, I am convinced she is lying. To me, it’s not surprising. I think you’d be hard pressed to find any living politician who does not resort to convenient lies when they feel they won’t get caught. It’s part of the ethos of our time.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago

Trumbots are worried about lying now? That’s absolutely hilarious!

Peter O
Peter O
27 days ago

You’d think that if “Trump is a liar” is basically your entire election strategy, you’d try to be a bit more careful about being truthful yourself. But when the other side does it — and both Harris and Walz have been caught lying — it’s suddenly no big deal.
BTW: I notice that all your comments on this page are basically disparaging of other people’s opinions, but without offering anything of substance yourself. Care to let us know what you think of these allegations of lies, plagiarism etc. Might they have affected your vote (assuming you have one, of course) if the other candidate wasn’t Trump?
I already know I’m a moron, so you can leave out that part when you reply.

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago
Reply to  Peter O

Let’s see if he takes up the challenge. I’m betting he’ll heap more abuse on you.

Peter O
Peter O
27 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

Oh, I’ll totally enjoy the abuse. But what I’m really interested in is seeing if s/he can string together a coherent argument.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
27 days ago
Reply to  Peter O

Impossible. It is all just name calling posters.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
27 days ago

The idea of working at McDonald’s generally carries this meaning in American culture. It’s one option of a tough choice, part of a bargain that’ll probably be a bummer either way. It’s McDonald’s or unemployment.
Um, no. It is where millions and millions of American teens, evidently none of them known to Mr. McFeeney, cut their teeth in learning about work and earning their own money. And if not McDonald’s, then a fast food joint much like it. The adults on hand fill specific roles: the ones in management, the seniors supplementing retirement checks, and the odd person who just needed a job because life happened. The last one typically moves on.
The very reason why this article appears to condescend toward McD’s and people who worked there is precisely why Trump’s move resonates with so many. Because they’ve manned the fry station or something like it. This was a regular guy thing to do, even if the guy – in typical Trump style – did it wearing a shirt and tie with expensive shoes.
But I can’t help feeling sorry for her. ——> Because neither the DNC nor Dem voters ever wanted her? Because the party was stuck because all those campaign donations? Whereas Trump is always Trump, Kamala Harris does not know who she is, shifting from one phony accent to the next depending on the crowd and location of her next canned speech. She knows this was not earned. Each subsequent media appearance only confirms the obvious.
It’s a sorry episode all around, but maybe it’ll have an upside. —-> Maybe the DNC believes the “all around” part, but no one else does.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
24 days ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Kamala’s imitation of Hillary’s imitation of a black woman is a treasure.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
27 days ago

Holy crap. Who effing cares if Harris worked at McDonald’s? The entire episode speaks to the unserious nature of politics today, and the continued debasement of the regime media. Trump should have went to McDonald’s, had a few photos from friendly media, and that’s the end of it. Instead, the regime media blows it up into some kind of stupid issue, and gives Trump millions in free news coverage, playing right into the hands of the orange man they hate so much.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
27 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

It is a weird kind of hate, one built on a need that is somewhere between addictive and obsessive. Trump is the media’s oxygen; he’s 80% of what they have. Cable ratings rose when he entered the Oval Office and fell when he left. I believe newspaper subscriptions went through a similar arc. He is box office and many hate him for it, along with hating him for everything else.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
27 days ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Very true

Peter B
Peter B
27 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I’ve said it before. Trump (and equally Boris Johnson’s) super power is the ability to bring out the absolute worst in their opponents. And somehow, these supposedly intelligent people never stop and think before reacting or see it coming. It’s baffling.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Peter B

They differ in that Boris was quite a pleasant guy on a personal level.

Philip Broaddus
Philip Broaddus
27 days ago

When I was 15 and 16 I washed dishes at a high end French restaurant one summer, and the next summer dishes and prep at another nice sit down restaurant. If I were to write an autobiography, I’d sure as hell dedicate a page to it. She’s lying. Also, I recommend that champagne socialist set an alarm 3 a.m. each night, to reflect on Donald Trump.

Martin M
Martin M
27 days ago

Let’s say Harris lied about working at McDonalds (although it strikes me as a strange thing to lie about). That might be a bad thing, but compared to Trump (who lies about pretty much everything pretty much all the time), it doesn’t seem such a big deal.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
27 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

The intellectual vacuity of this comment is stunning. She has lied for four years about the cognitive decline of the sitting president. But ya, keep rolling in that pile of political diarrhea you are fed from the DNC.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Jimmy, don’t pretend to be worried about cognitive decline when you worship Trump. He was always dumb – the man lost money running a casino for goodness sakes! – but he is clearly losing his marbles in a very big way. That is intellectual vacuity, old sport!

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago

Are you afraid to actually address the subject of Harris?

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
26 days ago

But he’s rich and hardly pays taxes, so he must be smarter than most. People admire those people who skrew the system.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Dave Canuck

He’s rich because his father left him lots of money. I read somewhere that if he’d just kept the buildings his father owned, and invested the cash, he’d be worth $80 billion now.

K H
K H
25 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Instead he chose to save the country. What a buffoon.

Peter B
Peter B
27 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

At least Joe Biden was capable of cognitive decline. Harris has nothing to decline from – you simply wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.
By the time this is all over, the Democrats will be wishing they stuck with Biden. She’s that bad.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
26 days ago
Reply to  Peter B

For some reason Democrat presidential candidates like to pick VPs who are weaker and less intelligent than them. It has consequences.

Obama > Biden
Biden > Harris
Harris > Walz

The gene pool gets weaker every generation.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Fortunately Trump picked a strong VP last time around, and he had the decency to do his job and certify the results of the 2020 election.

Hans Daoghn
Hans Daoghn
25 days ago
Reply to  Peter B

“By the time this is all over, the Democrats will be wishing they stuck with Biden.”
We already are. A small group of my friends – all habitual Democrats – had Sunday brunch together last week. Someone posed the question if it was a mistake to replace Biden with Harris. There was unanimous agreement that the Democrat party made a grave mistake in anointing Harris and kicking the old goat to the curb.
We also cried in our coffee (and one tea) that Trump will surely win the election. It won’t even be close.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago
Reply to  Hans Daoghn

So, you actually think that Biden could have been President for four more years?

Gerry Quinn
Gerry Quinn
23 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Ironically, Harris would have eventually – and perhaps after only about a year – gotten the job in that scenario.

Duane M
Duane M
23 days ago
Reply to  Hans Daoghn

After seeing the debate between Trump and Biden, I am fairly certain that Trump would win that contest. And I am no fan of Trump.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
27 days ago
Reply to  Martin M

Please detail what exactly Trump has lied about or have you just swallowed the medias line

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
26 days ago

I hope he wins.
But I won’t deny that he’s been publicly lying (NY Post, Howard Stern Show, etc), and bragging about it, for forty years.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago

Good point. Most people are embarrassed to be caught lying, but Trump doesn’t care.

Martin M
Martin M
25 days ago

He lied when he said he didn’t lose the 2020 election. That might only be one, but it is quite a big one.

Geoff W
Geoff W
27 days ago

“Standing at a cash register when your boys roll in, wearing a brown uniform and a paper hat and mouthing an obsequious question scripted in a distant office, must be something like the existential death Hegel imagined in his master-slave dialectic, when the man who values survival over status surrenders himself to the man who values status over survival.”
Yes, I’ve often thought that too.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
27 days ago

Isn’t American politics ridiculous? This nothingburger about working at McDonald’s doesn’t matter in the slightest, but here in this article we get force-fed a full Trumpian order (two Fillet-O-Fish, two Big Macs and a chocolate shake — no fries, he’s watching his weight) of argument about it. It all just gives me indigestion.
And this nonsense has been going on months, years actually. The campaign officially kicked off when the first major candidate announced his candidacy on November 11, 2022. That’s almost two years of campaigning before the vote itself, though well short of the 2020 election campaign, which ran a full 1,194 days.
Calling him a “major candidate” is a bit generous, as it was just Corey Stapleton (R), former Montana Secretary of State, who first entered the race. But 1,400 candidates have filed paperwork to run in this election, and Corey Stapleton is major compared to the vast majority of those no-names (some of whom use fake names). Besides, Donald Trump was just 4 days behind him on November 15, so the campaign was certainly underway by mid-November 2022.
A campaign that lasts 725 days, close to 2 years, lasts a long, long time. Is all that time really needed? Is it filled with meaningful activity? To put it in perspective, that’s 60 times the length of Japan’s 12-day campaigns.
When I was living in Japan I would go with my wife when she went to vote. The time from the Tuesday when the campaign posters went up and NHK started covering the campaigns on television until the votes were cast on a Sunday went by in a flash. Indeed, Japan is in the middle of an election right now. Campaigning started a week ago Tuesday, and voters vote on Sunday. That’s in no time. At the same time, it’s plenty of time.
Of course, Japan doesn’t vote for a president, and other offices here in the US don’t usually have years-long campaigns either. So one can see the need for a little more time. If I were in charge, I would give two weeks for a presidential primary, and another full two weeks for the general election, for a total of four weeks. Plenty of time for me to make up my mind.
Indeed, I knew who I was voting for as soon as Donald Trump announced his candidacy. I know he’s orange. I know he offends people with his bombast and bloviation. I know his shtick is hyperbole, he’s more Ciceronian than Cicero, and it’s fair to call him a liar. His sense of humor offends some people as well, and I have to agree — it’s wicked.
But the man knows how to lead. He’s a born bargainer, a master of the art of the deal. He takes to heart the advice of Mario Puzo’s fictional character Don Corleone in The Godfather: never get angry, never make a threat, reason with people. That’s Donald Trump.
Look at the war in Ukraine. Other candidates argue about abstractions like who do you want to win? Donald Trump doesn’t think that way. He doesn’t care about winning or losing. He cares about ending the dying, the destruction. He doesn’t care about policy but process. He has no plan but to meet with Volodymyr Zelensky and meet with Vladimir Putin, to reason with them and end the war.
That’s what I would like to see — actions, not words. Joe Biden couldn’t do that. Kamala Harris would do even worse. We need Donald Trump in office. And we didn’t need 725 days to know that.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
27 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

“He’s a born bargainer, a master of the art of the deal”
I guess you missed all the bankruptcies, slick?
The man is a moron and so is anyone who supports him.

Brett H
Brett H
27 days ago

Mitt Romney has history in this, as do many people who do not put their name on the masthead as Trump does.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
27 days ago

Chapter 11 bankruptcies are not unusual for large real estate development projects. They are better than Chapter 7 liquidations or cases where the company just goes belly up and nobody gets anything. Donald Trump took some blows but went on to survive and thrive. That says a lot.
It’s certainly true that Donald Trump had a lot of advantages that most people don’t have. He had a lot more help from his father than, say, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs got from theirs. But Donald Trump shares a lot of characteristics with those men. He understands that failure is part of business, and he gets up and dusts himself off and tries again.
I’ve been a corporate finance lawyer in Tokyo and then the San Francisco Bay Area for many years. I’ve negotiated a lot of deals myself, and worked for, with and against people more talented than me. I know dealmaking talent when I see it. Donald Trump’s got talent. He has his faults, but the way he dealt with Kim Jong Un and with Vladimir Putin showed what he is capable of. I hope we get to see him in action again.
Kamala Harris has her strengths too. She’s not the fool I often make her out to be. But she’s just not presidential timber, or even executive timber. She has shown no talent for solving problems or getting things done. No talent for leading a team. She’s a Barbie doll, a talking one, all about looks and pre-recorded thoughts, with not much between her ears but air. That can work in the jobs she’s had up to now, but not as president.

K H
K H
25 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

What I don’t understand about Kamala is how incurious she must be to have been a Senator, A.G. and V.P. and have no clue about foreign or domestic policy. Was she really playing solitaire the whole time? At least, it appears that she has enough self-awareness to realize how daft she is.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
27 days ago

Uh oh. The soyboy is back.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
26 days ago

How moronic are the people who talk about him all the time?

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
27 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

Enjoyed this comment more than the original article I have to say.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
26 days ago

Yes, but it should be an unwritten rule that comments should not be longer than the original article. 🙂

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
26 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

The election actually started about a year before the end of his last term when Covid hit.

Tim Calton
Tim Calton
26 days ago
Reply to  Carlos Danger

To assert that Trump doesn’t care about winning or losing is incredibly naive and credulous at best, or a barefaced lie at worst. Were you conscious in 2020? Did you not see his desperate scrabbling in the face of defeat, or witness the consequences of this. In your homilies you also seem to forget his overt fascist posturing including threats to use the military against those who oppose him. Wake up!

Brett H
Brett H
26 days ago
Reply to  Tim Calton

Threats? Show them.

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
23 days ago
Reply to  Tim Calton

This is a complete and utter lie!

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
27 days ago

You’re upset that the media didn’t mention that Trump’s claim is not proven, while not being at all bothered that the same media has tried to ignore the assassination attempts against Trump and what its says about the US Secret Service?

Matt Woodsmith
Matt Woodsmith
27 days ago

I really enjoyed this piece. Excellent skewering of the American media that shrieks about Trump, but does so much to help him.

Andrew R
Andrew R
27 days ago

In the new post-modern world, lying no longer exists, it’s been replaced with “my truth”.

Saul D
Saul D
27 days ago

The visit to a fast food restaurant is pretty standard electoral schlock. There’s a litany of candidates doing it over the years (https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/presidents-and-presidential-candidates-eating-fast-food/6/), but ironically not Kamala. And Trump at least made it funny.
Kamala’s campaign is put out because it very difficult to get the ‘evil Hitler’ label to stick when the target is being so obviously un-diva-ish, self-deprecating and entertaining.

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
27 days ago
Reply to  Saul D

Good point. I’ve heard that Adolf Hitler loved children and dogs, but putting on an apron and frying up some fries to hand out to families driving up? I just can’t see that picture in my mind.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
26 days ago
Reply to  Saul D

I just can’t believe that our world has devolved so much that we are expending all this mental energy on a small publicity stunt, when the world is at the precipice of world war, the collective West has a debt load that is beyond staggering and a huge chunk of the working class can’t make ends meet. Talk about fiddling as Rome burns!

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
27 days ago

*McFeasterville, for Australian readers.

Peter B
Peter B
27 days ago

I’ve just read the patronising introduction to this piece about how working for McDonald’s is somehow a shameful sign of failure. Nonsense.
I’m not going to read any further.
My neighbour’s son worked for McDonald’s as a sixth former. I’d be happy for my own son to do so. It’s a proper job where you can learn a lot about customer service, interacting with a wide range of people and self discipline. I respect people who do jobs like this. Indeed anyone who does any job properly and with commitment.
Could that be why patronising, condescending idiots like this author so despise both McDonald’s and those who work for it ?

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
26 days ago
Reply to  Peter B

It’s crucial to have such jobs. It provides perspective. Something Harris needs.

AC Harper
AC Harper
27 days ago

“The media have, thus, looked like they’re trying to weaken Trump and protect Harris.”
This week’s prize for the blindingly obvious.

AC Harper
AC Harper
27 days ago

I’ve suggested elsewhere that the Presidential campaign exhibits the American Disease. Rhetoric (using language to please or persuade) is prized far more than speaking the truth. You can make the argument that both Trump and Harris (and the mainstream media) have lied in the pursuit of rhetorical persuasion. But Trump is better at it.

William Simonds
William Simonds
27 days ago

A nothingburger? Really? Given the length of this article and the amount of press generated, this seems to me to be the absolute opposite of a nothingburger. It accomplished exactly what Trump intended.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
26 days ago

Which explains why the author so badly wants to dismiss it.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
24 days ago

In the latest development, the Harris people led by the Biden defectors put out a photograph of Kamala in a McDonald’s uniform that the Trump campaign has exposed as a PhotoShop of a woman who died years ago.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
26 days ago

Mr. Feeney misses the point, silly but important, that what Trump did was funny. His fans and many of the rest of us appreciate that. There are far too many long/angry faces on our screens recently.
Most of us out here in Voter Land have run out of patience with all the drivel about “important” topics like joy(!) or January 6th or…
The UnHerd readership is different, I suppose. But for the voters Trump’s lark was a big win; the genuine “truth” hardly matters.

Dave Canuck
Dave Canuck
26 days ago

Trump should stick to what he knows best, which is not much, but he’s a danger to public health causing ecoli outbreaks like that. Good thing the restaurant was closed.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
26 days ago

You can’t prove a negative, in this case that Harris didn’t worked at McDonalds. It’s ridiculous for the NYT to expect Trump to put up proof of this. What form, exactly, would that proof take?
Hearsay evidence from a Montreal schoolfriend about what Kamala got up to later in California seems a tad weak too.

Catherine Conroy
Catherine Conroy
26 days ago

Kamala is so desperate to appear relatable that she made us this silly lie. It must rankle with her that billionnaire bad boy liar in chief Trump is still considered more relatable. Probably because he actually eats the stuff, talks to anyone who speaks to him and hugs or shakes hands. She seems to be terrified to meet members of the public, let alone press the flesh and chat.

S Jones
S Jones
26 days ago

Great article from start to finish

Ian Wigg
Ian Wigg
26 days ago

I can remember when the McDonald’s management training academy was considered one of the best in the real world. And you didn’t need a degree or, in fact, any formal qualifications. Just apptitude and drive.

mac mahmood
mac mahmood
26 days ago

Trump should commend Harris as a kindred spirit.

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
26 days ago

Or is Trump ‘reprehensible’ because thats what the Dems say. I notice that when we talk about Kamala’s lies, they are identified. I cannot find (?) one identifiable lie by Trump in these comments or even in the article

Jo Jo
Jo Jo
26 days ago

I didn’t count the words, but they amount to a nothing burger (geddit?) There’s a video on YouTube of Trump being trained by a young worker at McD’s how to fry..fries. It’s very nice, very nice…as Trump himself would say. Many people really like Trump, intend voting for him, want him to be President – and I don’t blame them…if the answer is Harris what on earth is the question?

Studio Largo
Studio Largo
26 days ago

‘Uterus having candidate of color.’ What cold, dehumanizing language. Such are the ways of the woke cult.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
26 days ago

Imagine an ” intellectual” worried about Trump reading the crowd, correctly. And calling that irresponsible, meanwhile from the Oval Office to the lockstep media, to Kamala, their organized dog whistling of yet another murder attempt on Trump is not worth mention.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
26 days ago

The assumption that President Trump worked at McDonald’s is incorrect. President Trump worked at McDonald’s to reach the American people and make a point the media would have difficulty distorting.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
25 days ago

Maybe the point of Trump’s stunt was not to show up Harris, but to shine a light on news media bias and hypocrisy.

It got the author to write, and UnHerd to publish, this article, so I guess it worked.

Ho ho Ho!

Cristina Bodor
Cristina Bodor
25 days ago

A very long read about nothing of substance, burger or not.

thomas dreyer
thomas dreyer
25 days ago

This writer really doesn’t get why this was a brilliant move on Trump’s part, probably because he has no sense of humor.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
25 days ago

This author keeps going on about Trump’s “lies”, but conveniently neglects to mention even one. I suggest that he heard it from a friend of a friend, but never asked any questions or for more details.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
24 days ago

“The media have, thus, looked like they’re trying to weaken Trump and protect Harris”. Ya think? Where does UnHerd find these clueless people?

Duane M
Duane M
23 days ago

I see two things the Trump campaign is doing here.

The first is simply to claim that Harris lied about her teenage work history, as if that were comparable to the monumental pyramid of lies that Trump has built about himself, and as if it would disguise the obvious fact that Trump is a compulsive liar; he literally cannot open his mouth and speak without lying. So, as usual, he projects his own behavior onto his antagonist, Harris. And that is typical for how a bully behaves.

The second project is to tar Harris with dishonor, and I love the author’s description: stolen fast-food valour. And this is not coming from Trump, who lacks the wit for such subtlety. Rather, this project is a reboot of the Swift-Boating of presidential candidate John Kerry by the pre-Trump Republican party. And the Swift-Boating campaign was successful because if ultimately put Kerry on the defensive against false allegations that he had exaggerated his action in the Vietnam War.

I don’t care much for either candidate, but the idea that Harris should be rejected on account of this McDonald-gate business, or that the media should give it any attention, is almost comically absurd.

But I guess absurd is where we are, now.

Peter Lee
Peter Lee
23 days ago

In Canada, it was probably Tim Horton’s; but she cannot say that in the US.