While the UK’s recent riots reflect decades of pent-up public frustration with the country’s governing elite, particularly over mass immigration, they also represent something else. They are a signal that the British elite’s whole strategy of governing is beginning to break down. And that carries significant implications.
To understand why, we need to take a brief detour back about five centuries — to Florence and the writings of Niccolò Machiavelli. He identified two archetypical psychological profiles of people who become leaders: the cunning but weak fox, who can outmanoeuvre his opponents but is “defenceless against wolves”; and the strong and brave lion, who likes to fight and can scare off wolves, but who is “defenceless against traps”. Machiavelli argued that a true statesman must embody both personalities, or risk destruction.
A distant student of Machiavelli, fellow Italian political theorist Vilfredo Pareto, would later expand the metaphor further. Observing history, he noted that the rise and fall of states and civilisations could be matched to a cyclical pattern in the collective personality of their ruling classes.
Nations are founded by lions, who are a society’s natural warrior class — its jocks, so to speak. They establish and expand a kingdom’s borders at the point of a sword, pacifying external enemies. Like Sparta’s Lycurgus or Rome’s Augustus, their firm hand often also puts an end to internal strife and establishes (or re-establishes) the rule of law. Their authority can be dictatorial, but it is relatively honest and straightforward in nature. They value directness and the clarity of combat. They are comfortable with the use of raw force, and open about their willingness to use it, whether against criminals or enemies. They have a firm sense of the distinction between enemies and friends in general — of who is part of the family and who is a prowling wolf to be guarded against. The security and stability they establish is what allows the nation to grow into prosperity.
Security and prosperity produce a proliferation of foxes. Foxes are unsuited to and deeply uncomfortable with the employment of force; they prefer intellectual and rhetorical combat, because they’re nerds. They will use physical force if necessary, but prefer to disguise its nature and are prone to use it ineptly. The brainy and cosmopolitan foxes have talents the lions don’t, however: they are good at managing complexity and scale, navigating the nuances of diplomatic alliances, or extracting profits from an extensive empire.
As long as peace prevails, civilisations come increasingly to morally prize the indirect and diplomatic methods of foxes and to avoid and indeed abhor the strength and violence of lions. As states grow larger and more complex, establishing new layers of bureaucracy, law and procedure, this quickly favours the Byzantine organising and scheming of foxes. In comparison, lions are inarticulate and unprepared for the traps of more underhanded mammals. So eventually, a wholesale replacement of the elite occurs: the lions who founded the nation are pushed out of its leadership, marginalised and excluded by a class of foxes who see them as brutish relics of a barbaric age.
But a curious thing then happens, Pareto observed: the instability of societies overly dominated by foxes begins to increase relentlessly. The foxes, reluctant to properly distinguish and identify real threats or to openly employ force even when necessary, find themselves defenceless against wolves both internal and external. When faced with escalating challenges, the foxes tend to resort to doubling down on their preferred strategy of misdirection and manipulation, and attempt to bury or buy off threats rather than confronting them directly. This does nothing to solve problems that require the firm use of force, or the threat of it, such as keeping packs of wolves on the other side of the borders. Eventually, when things get bad enough, foxes may desperately lash out with violence, but do so indecisively, ham-fistedly, or in entirely the wrong direction. The wolves, for their part, can instinctively smell weakness and just keep coming.
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Great article! This reminds me of the quote from G. Micheal Hopf, “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times”. Hope there is a Lion waiting in the wings for the sake of all our Western nations.
I always wondered where that quote came from. I’ve used it so often.
Beat me to it.
And: “Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you work it out for yourself.”
I think Richard Dawkins might have just worked it out:
‘My entire @facebook account has been deleted, seemingly (no reason given) because I tweeted that genetically male boxers such as Imane Khalif (XY undisputed) should not fight women in Olympics. Of course my opinion is open to civilised argument. But outright censorship?’
Ideology will always trump scientific fact to those on the left.
Because most scientific fact now is not scientific or fact. It’s paid for words thats all.
Dawkins was cancelled by the American Humanist Association for challenging gender ideology. An organisation that is supposed to value reason and science over faith and superstition.
See my previous comment. Dawkins is bright enough to.spot the danger. He has for some time set himself as a Cultural.Christian. He does criticize his friend Aayan Hirsi Ali for going the whole hog,church and all,but he has ‘got’ that only recognizing earthly power is very dangerous
Unfortunately tribal affiliation to the organisation will always trump reason. It will always allow the person to justify their own absence of self awareness
Truth needs to be validated by God. American Humanists cannot value knowledge and truth, but only their faith-derived superstitions.
And as befits a canny man like Dawkins he has for some time made it clear that,atheist though he may be,he is also a Cultural Christian. That is very sensible of him. Indeed a high number of well known atheists have now,not GOT JESUS but have chosen to align themselves with Christianity being bright enough to see the importance of claiming first allegiance to a higher spiritual force than any earthly power. It’s also very dangerous of course but thats life.
I would have censored you for other things, such as clinging to silly conjectures and debunked theories when there is n9 evidence and science has long since disproved it, respectively. But, like Al Capone you got done for the minor crime.. suck it up Dqickie!
With no happier results, in general.
I dunno. You may get to be a martyr and shine in everlasting glory throughout history after.
If there is a war it’s going to be those that Starmer and the BBC label as “far right” that will fight for their country.
The people on the other side, so loved by Starmer and the BBC, will be heading for their homeland.
Recent decades have seen, for the first time in human history, huge numbers of women in positions of power and influence. How might this alter the validity of the ‘hard times/good times’ aphorism?
Women lack the physical strength to be lions and also the necessary ruthlessness. They are more inclined to stigmatise, guilt trip, exclude, be two faced and hypocritical (without necessarily being aware). Women are more strongly associated with emotion. They silenced men by accusing them of sexism and making sexism illegal. The pursuit of logic and reason to identify and destroy propaganda and develop insight has for the most part been the endeavour of men. Weak men will adopt feminine strategies.
Evil has its own agenda and spreads through the unconscious if allowed to. It has its own strategies presenting good as evil and vice versa. People infected tend to genuinely believe they are on the right side of history/ morally right. It is why Jung believed it imperative people acquaint themselves with their shadow side. Evil is terrified of being exposed by the light of truth. Truth is like the crucifix held up in front of the possessed.
So you are suggesting, “hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times try women in charge, and women in charge create … hard times?
Accurate. Have you seen the state of publishing and education? How ‘bout those Lilliputian Secret Service agents assigned to protect Donald Trump? Counting on a 5’2” 180lb pudding to carry you out of a blazing building?
We women are very good at many, many things that men can’t or won’t do, but we rely on our lions to protect us while doing them.
To see the fruits of a female false prophet just watch Australia’s female Olympic breakdance competitor. She has a PhD in breakdance and knows all about the evil patriarchy. Unfortunately, for her, the judges awarded her nil point. They are clearly not au fait with the theory behind her approach which includes not practising much. In Australia, they must have received the brief as she did have to qualify.
The MSM talked her up coming into the games as a gold medal favourite. Plenty of coverage, a lot of hype.
We normal Aussies ourselves silly when she failed to pick up a point. Then my wife showed me one of her “dance battles” and she best summed it up with Fremdshaemen.
On behalf of all Aussies to anyone who had the misfortune of watching that as a sports fan, I truely apologise.
No need to apologise, it was hilarious – laugh out loud funny. It’s even funnier if the Australians actually believed she had a chance of gold. It’s been a weird Olympics. The opening set the scene when the French trashed their own reputation for culture and sophistication. Then the Olympic committee trashed their reputation as a serious governing body by claiming it’s impossible to tell the difference between men and women (to defend men beating up women) despite almost every sporting category being divided into men’s and women’s. Then to lighten the mood, the Australian’s trashed their reputation for sporting excellence by ensuring the world will remember Raygun’s performance which is indistinguishable from a toddler making up moves to some random music (What I don’t understand is why she didn’t accuse herself of cultural appropriation given her politics.) and forget about the medals the rest of the Australian team won. And of course, while all this was going on, the United Kingdom trashed its reputation for justice and fairness with two tier policing and prosecution. A prime minister who genuflected to BLM rioters perceives white working class rioters to be truly evil and insists they must be destroyed not by the full force of the law but by punishments that far exceed the crimes.
..flush it down the toilet.
Did that “reply” make any kind sense, even to you?
Margret Thatcher was a lion and sadly got outfoxed.
Margaret Thatcher was not a typical woman. She is frequently disowned by feminists. Admiring her has been greatly stigmatised.
Are male lions typical men?
Well they are definitely not effeminate.
I’ve noticed Thatcher’s reputation is making a bit of a comeback, if the number of “likes” for clips from her speeches on Instagram and Tiktok are any indication.
And when you compare her with all the hollow men (and women) we have lording it over us now… no wonder.
I find it odd that Margaret Thatcher should be ‘lionised’. She was not a popular figure for many of the British population, and her destructive side should not be forgotten, in spite of her accomplishments. Parts of the country are still suffering from her policies. When she stepped down, most people were glad to see the back of her. She was not the saviour of the nation that nostalgia seems to want to make of her.
You might like to research to what extent Arthur Scargill was responsible.
I’m quite familiar with that, thanks. I’m no fan of Arthur’s either.
All that may be true, but is irrelevant. She was a lion brought down by foxes.
Some lions are better than others.
Yeah, take that Margaret Thatcher! F*ck the Poll Tax too! Yeah.
Mrs Thatcher had some admirable personal qualities and a good character. And I’m not a fan and I’ve never voted Tory in my life. But she SOLD OUT. When she declared RIGHT TO BUY she showed her True allegiance to The Dark Side. She may actually not have known she was playing her part in a centuries old LONG GAME but she was.
Agree.
My thoughts entirely.
Hear, hear.
Not so sure about the lack of ruthlessness: Maggie Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, Golda Meyer, and any number of female bosses. Techniques may differ but some women are entirely capable of being ruthless.
It’s true women are equally capable of ruthlessness but generally it is covert. The overtly ruthless women are in a minority. Most women spout love and peace whilst cheering on murderous intent. Just look at the women surrounding the Labour councillor calling for the slitting of throats of dissenters.
Not half.
Margaret Thatcher?
You’re overgeneralizing. You did have a lioness back in the Eighties, and one day I’m sure that we will have one too. That person certainly isn’t Harris.
Not always, Aphrodite. When I worked with teens from lockup situations on wilderness trips, I recall a woman counsellor refusing to go on a trip with girls. She said, “Boys have a code; girls don’t. A girl will pluck a flaming brand from the fire and bash you in the head with it.”
Women are generally more easily controlled by social constraints so I guess this was female behaviour free of social constraints.
This is what I would have written if I’d thought of those brilliant words. This is what my post says but much less elegantly
Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi and Margaret Thatcher were lions. There may be another one waiting in the wings of the Conservative Party. There doesn’t seem to be anything except frightened foxes in the Labour Party.
Kemi ?
Oh dear Afrodite Rises. Oh deary me!!!
You obviously suffer from a sense of moral superiority. Rather than reading ill-informed propaganda, you would benefit from reading the Greats: your spelling as well as your mind would probably improve enabling you to properly articulate a response.
Boudica
I agree with much of this, with the caveat that there have been, throughout history, & still are, lots of weasley weak men (far less smart than foxes) who have f***ed things up for everyone, using propaganda to do so.
Today’s examples include Starmer, Macron & Trudeau, among many others.
But should we have far fewer women in government, the media, & especially academe? Yes please. ‘Kindness’ (actually, bitchy schoolgirl in/out group selection) should be an absolute irrelevance in all these fields.
I complete agree. I have never been a feminist believing in (reasonable) equality but difference. Feminists tend to define success in male terms and denigrate traditional female roles.
I have always thought it was weird that men would claim to be feminists. I understand the desire to fight for justice but activist feminists were never about justice. When I read Simone De Beauvoir’s writings, I realised the tragedy in her life was that she wanted a monogamous, committed relationship with Sartre but he wanted an open relationship which caused her immense pain but she couldn’t actually state that as it was against her politics. Jordan Peterson considers a man claiming to be a feminist is a seduction technique by men who otherwise would be unlikely to be successful.
Absolutely agree. I used to enjoy some of the 2nd wave feminists: the ones who emphasised the _differences_ between men and women – differences we ignore or deny at our peril. But since then, much feminism has become BS, including nearly all of the 3rd wave. I lay a lot of blame at the door of universities lowering standards by /& introducing ‘women’s studies’ & other ideological degrees – a phrase which should not exist.
The downstream effects of these ‘ideas’ have been disastrous. Instead of focusing on what should be the basics of feminism: protecting women and girls from violence and rape – both here and abroad – feminists are mostly busy campaigning to protect misogynistic sexual minorities and immigrant men.
I just want to applaud your series of excellent posts on this board. I wondered where you’d gone and I’m glad to see your screen name again, Ms Rises. Unlike me if I’m honest, you rarely post petty or trivial things, and have an incisive critical edge that I really like—as long as it’s not pointed at me!
Cheers,
AJ
Thank you AJ. I had stopped reading Unherd because I no longer found the articles interesting but recent events drew me back in. What I enjoy is articles which stimulate interesting debate. I find it helps me clarify and develop my own ideas. It’s strange, I have never been a particular fan of Kathleen Stock and in the past given reasons why to a multitude of downvotes. Her article this week was not well received and disappointed her fans but her position in the article is exactly what I would have expected for the reasons I have stated previously. It was entirely predictable. I learn a lot by studying people very carefully. I am becoming strongly convinced the underlying problem with western politics is the failure to separate politics and religion. Another enigma I am trying to understand why – gays for Palestine – which is clearly batsh** crazy. I have made some progress. I am thinking about writing an article. I am almost ready to use my own name except I can’t because there is a journalist with the same name.
Does Charles post anymore?
I fear that Mr. Stanhope, to whom I think you refer, is either incapacitated or no longer with us. Haven’t seen his ‘handle’ in several months.
I know he had cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy. It is a sad loss. I shall light a candle and pray for him next time I am in church. He was an outstanding historian, it is a great loss.
He had a love of devilish advocacy that could be trollish, but would admit as much if you cornered in a way he respected. Maybe a sort of “lion in winter”. If he has departed, may he rest in peace, and perhaps even meet a Presence he did not believe in.
*Let me add that Charles had impressive Classical learning, along with a wide and deep general knowledge of history, which he didn’t use ONLY for show. I frequently disagreed with him but he was sharp and there was plenty of good in him, I’d say. That patrician pagan will be missed. I hope my honest remarks don’t sound disrespectful.
He was a committed atheist and yet it was my comments on religion and spirituality that interested him most.
He was surely more complicated than many of his quips. We got into some lengthy exchanges about the legacy of Jesus, which he took delight in ridiculing, treating it as little more than a successful publicity stunt.
I defended the teachings of Jesus (and some aspects of institutional worship); he played the firebrand nonbeliever. But he was willing to grant points here and there, for example allowing that bibles in the home for the common people of about 300 years ago was better than no books at all.
It’s quite absurd to wax nostalgic about a website’s previous year, but I’d like to see a return to the energetic, good-faith engagement that was more characteristic of UnHerd in 2023. Ah…the good ol’ days!
I suspect his reaction to religious/spiritual comments mirrored an inner struggle. Given his age, Christianity would have formed part of his upbringing.
An apt observation. My ex-Catholic parents are in the same broad category, though more open to so called spirituality.
That would be, ““Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create women leaders, and women leaders create hard times”. Don’t think that’s fair, though. Feminine energy certainly correlates to the Fox leadership profile. The premise of the article is spot on — you need to sustain balance between the two leadership types to maintain prosperity.
You know, I was always a feminist and I always wanted women to have more power, now that I see they do, I am not anymore so sure that this is the answer. Many women really don’t get it and they don’t get men and how they think. And then suddenly I am thinking: Look what happens with those small niche communities in China where women are in power and where men are utterly useless. Do we want that? No. I have to say, I do not know what the answer is, but I know one thing: The Left got it damn wrong! I was my whole life a Liberal, or so I thought. But I changed camps now since October 7th, because I think that this event and its aftermath opened up the eyes to many people in the world and what the Left is all about. And I am now a National Conservative. Not in a Tory sense, but in a real sense of the word’s meaning. Against Globalists and for strong Nation States.
If you believe that the government should help the poor, replace the family in providing care, etc – ie you are a typical modern “social democrat” – than you’ll probably believe we need our “leaders” to be kind. And women are particularly good at persuading people that they’re kind.
The problem here is that the Will to Power and kindness rarely go hand-in-hand, so if a politician is peddling kindness, then chances are they are even more dishonest than the ones who aren’t.
The essence of government is coercion. As Ibn Khaldun observed, it is that institution in a given area that punishes all “wrongdoing” except its own.
People have come to think that this institution, which ultimately only has violence as a tool, can best deal with social problems that have nothing to do with fraud or illigitimate violence.
The results of this belief are all around us.
Hear hear. If you haven’t moved away from the Left since 7/10, you are either not concentrating or not comprehending what’s really going on or are just not a good person (to put it mildly).
Facebook does not like anyone who opposes their viewpoint. In my opinion you were absolutely within your rights to say what the vast majority of us view as the plain and simple truth….XX female, XY male; basic human biology.
Not at all, except to say “people” instead of “men”.
And all making a total bollocks of things from the British economy (Thatcher),to the Post Office (that church going bird),both TalkTalk + Track n Trace – Dido.Harding also Lady someone,the Met Police , the aptly named Miss d**k. It’s obvious no one talked to her,she sat in her office every day ,totally out of the loop commanding no respect from her men and getting sidelined and ignored. And it’s no.good blaming nasty men,thats a,lol,cop out. Everything in the late 20th century that a woman has been put in charge of has gone,ha ha ha,tits up. And dont get me started on lady vicars.
Tarts for Jesus.
I was a great fan of Jeffrey John. He was genuine and his sermons and lectures were excellent (though he did have a weakness for wokeness). I just cannot relate to the new female dean at all. I find she flattens the spiritual rather than connecting with it. I was excluded from a prayer group for pointing out the Church of England, unlike the Catholic Church, has no room for the feminine. Though I have met some lovely Anglican nuns.
Clearly current problems in the West show why overpromotion of women leads to bad outcomes.
Women can only exist in positions of power when men cede those positions and only within the modern, technologically advanced society that men designed, built and maintain.
Women are the foxes.
Not surprisingly, you excellent comment garnered a couple of down votes – no doubt from our own lurking foxes.
Plenty of foxes here. Quick with a cutting quip, but go missing when things heat up…
Or a Lioness
The problem is that the decline and fall process described in the article usually takes a very long time, even after it has become obvious. That means ordinary citizens in the West may live out their lives in very unpleasant, totalitarian, police states. The Post-War period was unusually good, but the hard times are here.
Note first that N.S. *Lyons* is a pen name of a man now arguing for more “Lions” and that he is based in Washington not the UK.
Read Aris Roussinos’ article for an objective but embedded view on the anti-immigration riots.
This article is a rehash of the much used quote Unherd Reader reproduces above.
Lyons is arguing for a strong-man or warrior type leader that never worked in the medieval period or Renaissance – heroic leaders tended to be followed by their ineffective offspring (Henry V) or brothers (Richard I) and European states were locked in perpetual warfare. The more effective Roman Empire rarely had great emperors (the majority were bumped off by the Praetorian Guard), it was the bureaucracy and effectiveness of the army that maintained and enlarged the empire.
And these observations about the past fail to note the obvious about the present: nuclear weapons have the potential to wipe out the human race. A strong-man leader would have to show that he was willing to use these and would eventually come up against other strong-men willing to do the same. The outcome of such a conflict can never be described as “good times” without a Kubrick-level sense of irony.
Not to mention that powerful leaders, just like powerful and censorious governments, historically and now, always act in their own interest and rarely in the interest of their peoples.
Mr “Lyons” and his fellow members of the right-wing Washington commentariat should be careful what they wish for. A real strong-man (this doesn’t describe Trump of course, he’s an easily-manipulated toddler) wouldn’t tolerate intellectual journalists for long – see Xi.
Why would a strong man (or woman) necessarily need to resort to the use of nuclear weapons? It’s a stretch to equate strength with aggression or violent tendencies. Strong leaders don’t have to be warmongers.
We are now IN WW3 and neither side wants to use nukes because the elites aiways knew the MAD thing was a media myth to keep US subject to control and they prefer continuous low level grumbling rumbling inconclusive never ending war,or conflict as no one has declared war anywhere in any formal,legal form. This is where the profit is.
It always amazes me how a certain type of British person feels very free to sneer and complain about any American – even such brilliant ones as N.S. Lyons – commenting or saying anything at all about British politics while at the same time feeling it’s ok to comment on their politics, President, gun control, economy or whatever.
The vast majority of Americans have no interest whatsoever in Britain or its politics. If they think of Britain at all it’s all London and the Royals so I think it is quite wonderful and refreshing to have the opinion of someone smart and thoughtful who has taken the time to study the issue from the outside and is not swimming in the water.
I do not think Trump is an ‘easily manipulated toddler’ and I think it is rude and insulting to say so. It doesn’t make you sound smart – just makes you sound like you have TDS and are lazily following a crowd instead of thinking independently.
I would say anybody who is shot with a bullet in an assassination attempt and can stand up immediately to reassure the people and tell them to fight is a warrior and a lion.
People seem to have forgotten this astounding bravery already – I would say the foxes have deliberately manipulated so the people would forget.
Gina, sneering at someone whose pen name is “Lyons” arguing for more “lions” in leadership is unavoidable for anyone with a sense of humour.
Lyons has not studied British Politics, nor is his article a piece of original thought, it is an extended facsimile of Unherd Reader’s well-used trope “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times”. But this is not a truism at all, strong men – Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin – often create very bad times indeed.
Finally, isn’t Trump derangement syndrome the characteristic of believing that standing up after receiving a grazed ear constitutes enormous bravery? (To be fair, claiming that rioters in Netflix-tribute antlers constitute a coup is equally silly). Primary school aged kids can recover quicker after worse.
Forcefully argued, somewhat persuasively.
I suppose we could stretch our categories to include vicious and cruel leaders who are not strong in any good sense, but merely ruthless or deranged (Amin, Assad, et al.), and those who are weak or indecisive, but not fox-like (Chamberlain, Herbert Hoover…).
There is certainly a widespread form of undiagnosed TDS amongst many of Trump’s supporters, under which those who don’t march in worshipful lockstep are called deranged, but never themselves or their fellow devotees.
Where are these intellectual journalists of whom you speak? All I see are toadying sycophants parrotting government propaganda, demonising anyone who dares to dissent, and omitting stories that are inconvenient to the orthodoxy.
In the U.S. his name is Trump
Machiavelli was writing 500 years ago. The author is trying to show off but bends the facts to fit the theory and creates a hell of a mess. The UK in 2024 is nothing like medieval Italy or Ancient Rome. This essay would struggle to get a C in A’ Level Politics or History. The rioters, incited by right-wing extremists, were a tiny minority of useless, dispossessed drunks. The UK is not about boil over unless another Churchill rocks up. Unbridled immigration should stop, of course, but most people realise we just need to get on with those already here. This article shows no respect for the calm, adult, civilized response to the riots.
That’s a bit like dismissing Aristotle’s Kyklos theory as outdated because modern leaders don’t wear linen smocks or write on papyrus.
The Right wing rabble who rioted are just the tip of the iceberg, an iceberg that voted Reform, and will almost certainly swell and grow as the pie shrinks due to decades of the foxes’ stupid panderings to Greens and Xenophiles.
ie, your objection to Lyon’s piece would itself “struggle to get a C in A’ Level Politics or History”
Whereas what we’ve seen is different: good times accustom people to greed which takes the good times away. Shareholder value for example.
Lions led by donkeys.
(Apologies to donkeys.)
Yeh, I don’t think the implication is that lions are 100% positive though, just that they have the utility of maintaining power and preserving stability.
Of course most of us are sick of foxes by now, so we know they aren’t 100% positive either.
The quote is originally from Babur, founder of the Moghul empire, as far as I know.
This article says it all.
Great article. Dark times. Stand strong my British friends. This problem is not unique to one country. It’s Global but your country has shown a unique ability to overcome these stressors.
The ideas of Locke will outduel the Authoritarianism of Hobbes.
Devastating.
But the alternative to a lion asserting power (typically in the midst of chaos) is widespread non-compliance by individuals (insert clever animal name here). If even 10% of citizens ridiculed and declared these foxes to be the ones not following the law, accepting that some who stand up will post the short term price, the foxes will have no leverage. But when 95% fear paying a short term price and choose to be complicit with the lies, it enables the further disintegration being enacted by the foxes.
Honeybadgers!
Love it
Few people have the courage of a Farage or Robinson. Most of us are O’Briens, unfortunately.
Who is O’brien?
James O’Brien of LBC, perhaps. Or wasn’t there a Tory MP called Neil O’Brien who was compiling a ‘list’?
O’Brien is the torturer of Winston Smith in 1984 and also a talk show host on the far right radio station LBC. Consequently, in the UK, the name is a byword for authoritarian brutality.
BINGO!
So LBC is far right now? I cant keep up.
I have been a lion in the past but was too indiscreet. I have learned to be more careful and am biding my time.
Interesting essay for sure. I think it’s clear that wealthy, western democracies are experiencing some kind of decay and rot. The anglosphere seems better off than Europe, but the disease may be more advanced in Britain than North America. It’s easy to become nihilistic about this stuff, but maybe we can turn it around.
The rot is built into social democracy. The more spending power that the state acquires and the more centralised it becomes, the more parasites it attracts. Eventually the productive economy collapses under the weight of their demands. This is particularly true in Britain where a rigged housing market has combined with corrupt immigration and monetary policy to create the largest upward transfer of wealth in our history – while a dishonest media class talks about something, anything, else.
Absolute bingo.
I think one of the author’s key points was that the existing order of foxes needs to (and will inevitably) collapse before the next “saviour” lion arises in the resultant disorder, and is accepted and followed by the people.
This is in line with Strauss and Howe’ “Fourth Turning” and the Ancient Greeks’ Kyklos theories.
It seems ever less likely that the social, cultural, and political sequences described can be halted and undone. I can’t remember when I last observed a lion, while the foxes are now everywhere. Each of us may soon be obliged to find their own way to survive what not long ago was unthinkable but has become easier to imagine. We commenters may soon lose even venues such as this one to express ourselves and be forced to retreat silently to what Victor Davis Hansen calls “the monastery of the mind”. Perhaps some of you, like me, post things here that you know cannot be safely spoken at dinner parties, at work, at school, or even to our families; both for fear of significant consequence and out of realization that we are unlikely to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree.
No, pay the price if it’s true. Walk across the line to the other side if that is what is more important to you. Say what’s right to your family and dinner party guests if you care about them.
Have done just that for most of my life. The cost has been both expensive and ineffective. Standing up for the truth to one’s dinner party guests is the fast lane to having no dinner party guests and never again being invited to anyone else’s party. When the critical mass of people in a society who are receptive to the truth shrinks below a certain level, standing up for it becomes futile. Cancel culture is not confined to young people on social media, it is ubiquitous.
This could be a behavioural style issue. I so often see people banging the table, full of emotion, pushing their point. Logic is not persuasive.
The trick is to pretend to go along with the consensus, but ask an awkward question, which you claim is troubling you, to get the smarter guests thinking. Persuasion is often best done by making people believe they thought of something themselves!
Awkward questions are good. When someone gives me a pat answer based on preconceived dogma (which to my mind has no basis in reality), I ask, “Why?” The jaw drops, the lip quivers, they stammer, momentarily speechless. Perhaps, one hopes, that’s the beginning of self reflection. Or perhaps not. But it’s a powerful little word.
The wife gets abit upset, but I never start it.
It’s an archetypal ‘Emperors New Clothes’ situation.
Who will play the role of The Innocent?
You’re only a wee laddie. How about you do it?
Russell Brand does it. Of course they had to search and found a lame brain learning challenged 16 year old who seems to have remained at that age for 40 years,but I’ve been 9 years old for 70 years so I can’t cast aspersions there. And sex,even rape cant just be consensual or non consensual penetrative sex,we are all so blase now,having been instructed over 40 years not to be shocked or outraged by anything anyone does sexually -judge not that ye be not judged (but you will be anyway) so “sex crime” has to extra outre, outrageous, cruel,violent and pornographic.
Fortunately we have secret ballots. One of the major advantages of democracy is that someone should emerge to challenge the foxes, once the scales fall from enough people’s eyes, before the horror that allowing the wolves to take over can happen.
Yes, but the foxes control the narrative. Just look at how the entire media on both ‘left’ and ‘right’ have promoted the same lies about some mythical ‘far right’ for weeks now without any challenge.
A narrative only goes so far. Eventually the narrative has to modify itself to fit events, or die.
Those lions better bloody hurry up or we’ll be faced with a different set of Lions, we weren’t expecting. Today, 37% of UK primary schools are made up of BAME pupils. 36% in secondary schools. By the middle of the century it’s quite conceivable an Islamic party could form the UKs official opposition if not the ruling party.
The Muslim population of Britain is 8% . They are typically concentrated in some inner city areas. Even if they all voted for the same Muslim party, which is very unlikely, the British electoral system would only give that party a tiny number of seats.
Official Muslim population.
The demographic curve is not linear. If you look at the mass of old people in the UK who will likely die in the next ten years it is overwhelmingly white-British-native. As the commenter above noted the number of very young has a quite different composition. That, combined with differential birth rates and additional new immigration, is what will change things a lot in a short period of time.
The way things are going, people with no intuitive feel for exponential curves are in for some very nasty surprises in the next few decades!
Get.real matey. In the support for Gaza marches in London which a lot of Jewish people went on too,it chilled the blood of the Islingtonians to.see en masse so many brown skinned Muslim men ( and women) all filling London streets. Scared them shitless. 8% -.and the rest.
Their numbers are leveraged by their designation as a sacred minority by the Progressive establishment, so they have a relatively stronger influence than the feminised, tolerant Christian / Atheist indigenous population. We are only foxes, but they are lions.
We saw the armed Muslim jihadists on the streets last week. All men of military age.
I wouldn’t be too complacent about secret ballots. The increase in postal voting for example will erode it.
It all depends on how they re-define “secret”, doesn’t it?
And electronic voting in USA is just made for being tinkered with and thats not even digital
sadly we dont. Your ballot paper number is recorded against your name. It is easy to find out how you vote.
Yeah, but you can’t find out who voted who wasn’t legally permitted to vote.
I’ve known a number of people who could have voted twice if they chose..I don’t think they did but could have. A young woman.still registered at her Mum’s address but also registered at the flat in which she lives with her boyfriend. A student registered.at.his parents home AND at his student lodgings. It’s more common and widespread than we think
Who cares when 30% of the vote gives a huge majority in Parliament? A vote does not constitute democracy. It is the consequence of the vote that matters.
How could you know if a corrupt official simply throws some mailed ballots away? Also, in the U.S. it is legal for individuals to take ballots to places like old age homes where they distribute them and then collect them, without a mechanism in place to ensure that the ballot harvester is not providing partisan influence in assisting the sometimes demented voters, or is not disposing of ballots marked contrary to the harvesters’ political orientation, or that they even actually go to the old age homes and instead just mark them themselves.
Who givers a thumbs down to concerns about how the electoral process can be abused? Does electoral abuse now have a constituency?
I noticed that a decade or so ago. It’s creepy.
After the fall of the Iron Curtain, the descendants of communist parties kept winning elections in previously communist countries, because no other party had both the ability to compete effectively in elections AND the stomach to fight the communists.
What good is voting when the candidates are uniformly incapable of ameliorating the problems? There are no lions emerging to challenge the foxes and, if one did, he/she would be quickly neutralized by the legions of foxes. That is the point of the essay.
As for ballots and democracy, the U.S. continues to inch toward banana state elections where the legitimacy of every election back to Bush has been challenged, while both sides continuously connive new ways to warp the electoral mechanics to their unscrupulous advantage. Gerrymandering, abuse of mail-in and absentee ballots, ballot harvesting, differential funding of voting precincts according to political ideology, lack of reliable voter ID, manipulation of the voting franchise to harvest votes trending favorably to the left such as lowering voter age, enfranchising non-citizen immigrants, and re-enfranchising incarcerated felons.
I like that phrase “monastery of the mind”. I have a fantasy of retiring to a seaside town and spending my evenings reading old fashioned hardback, improving novels or studying mathematics accompanied by a glass of whisky and a pipe (even though I don’t smoke).
Not so long ago such a (little bit silly) fantasy would have been possible. Now, while the Internet makes things easier ( communications, banking, shopping) it brings with it, to those with limited self-discipline (me) doom scrolling and rabbit holes of “handcart to hell” stories.
The writer’s point about a state which cares little for what is moral is well made but it’s also very hard to escape and pretend it happens to others.
I once saw an elderly man sitting in front of his beach hut on Southwold promenade, smoking a cigarette and gazing out to sea. I figured he was contemplating life, the universe etc. and figured that was a pretty good way of ending one’s days. At the time, I had no idea how exorbitant the price of a beach hut overlooking the beach at Southwold is.
Mind itv.ight be worth it for the fish and chips
“I can’t remember when I last observed a lion”
Thatcher.
Maybe Badenoch
Yes, maybe.
She has my vote
Don’t confuse lions with psychopaths!
Your comment will help us with that distinction.
Milei.
I’m not sure a “collapse” is coming, but it’s fairly sure I think that the tendency toward a totalitarian regime – the one being set up by the Guardian set — will continue. I’m transferring capital to my wife’s country in the South Pacific, which is where I currently am, and intend to consolidate there. It’s a far less politically tense environment, largely free of the Imperium, except for fly-in fly-out do-gooders trying, mostly superficially, to transfer the whole gamut of imperial ideology to the locals. These more chaotic societies on the fringe are difficult to repress with global ruling class counter-insurgency psyops style governance (as described by Jacob Seigel), unlike the situation in the major Western countries. I really don’t like totalitarianism.
Donald Trump is no savior, but he is speaking the things that cannot safely be spoken about the foxes, and it has driven them insane with rage.
If you’re familiar with Donald Trump, you observed a lion, and not just when he was shot and got right back up, fist in the air. He’s been fighting the foxes since 2016.
Yet he inducted fox after fox into his administration.
Sessions?
Wray?
Jared Kushner?
Bolton, for God’s sake?
Not sure I’d call John Bolton a fox, more like an irate honey badger!
You can often safely make a point by asking a question with the right tone of voice. Tone can be as important as the words. A trivial example: a few days ago someone told me he opposes Trump because he’ll adopt Agenda 2025. I asked him why he thought so when Trump disavows it himself and only his enemies attribute it to him. Why, I asked him, does he disbelieve Trump in this case and instead believe one of Trump’s enemies? It’s true enough that either one could be lying or telling the truth, but how could he choose? He had to admit he had no answer, and he didn’t get angry because I was careful with the tone.
I’m of an age where it doesn’t make any difference.
Me too.
Very good piece of writing.
An excellent essay, although one might find it peculiar that it was written by someone called Lyons. Conflict of interest?
Well spotted! Maybe there’s something to nominative determinism after all!
Good essay! The author hasn’t referred to the population as sheep though, as that’s what we are really.
Better to live one day
Like a lion than a thousand sheepishly
Say dead Orientals…
Divine Comedy
‘Or as one planner described it, the whole effort is intended to serve as “an anaesthetic for the community”.’
That’s sinister bureaucratic jargon for soma.
This article takes sophistry to a completely new level. So let’s get right to the point; absolute bollocks! Reading that was a complete waste of my morning tea.
With best wishes,
Foxy