Farage announces he's running on Monday (HENRY NICHOLLS/AFP via Getty Images)

Poor Rishi Sunak. He’s seemingly never met a boat he was able to stop: on Monday, one full of Lib Dems videobombed his press conference. Then, to make matters worse, he was upstaged again, when Nigel Farage announced his decision to replace Richard Tice as leader of the Reform Party, and to stand for Parliament in Clacton-on-Sea.
It was the first interesting thing to happen so far, in an election that has hitherto felt like the uniparty talking to itself while flinging other people’s spare change at OAPs. The interest doesn’t have much to do with Reform’s policies, which mostly read like a Tory manifesto, if the Tories were still a centre-right party instead of an agglomeration of corporate lobbies plus a granny annexe. Rather, Farage’s return is interesting for what it tells us about a wider trend: the demise of the franchise as our principal mechanism for political representation, and in its place the startlingly medieval return of “interests”.
But isn’t Farage the shadily post-democratic one? That was the thrust of numerous questions following his announcement on Monday, several of which mentioned Donald Trump, or focused on Farage’s power to make leadership decisions and backroom deals at the drop not just of a hat but also, at very short notice, of the existing Reform candidate for Clacton.
It’s true that Reform doesn’t conform to the 20th-century template for mass-membership political parties. It has, according to Farage, more than 30,000 paying members, but these are recruited online, rather than via local associations. It is also a limited company, and doesn’t have any obvious formal mechanism for forming, debating or voting on policies. Its critics make dark accusations about the motivations of its larger donors.
In all these senses, Reform UK is a political entity of some kind, but doesn’t adhere to the older template for party politics. Does this make it anti-democratic? To this, one might respond that it’s a bit rich to accuse Reform UK of ignoring the wishes of the masses, when its whole raison d’être is remedying just this indifference to electoral wishes among the mainstream political parties. We’re on our third Tory Prime Minister since the party was last voted into power, and the last one wasn’t even elected by the party membership. No vote apart from Brexit has changed anything very substantial in my adult lifetime. Even Brexit only happened against years of shrill establishment resistance, and failed to do the one thing voters wanted it to do.
In this context, we might reasonably ask: what would be the point of forming a mass-membership political party along early 20th-century lines? It should be obvious by now that bottom-up political activism aimed at directing the universally enfranchised voting public doesn’t reliably produce results in line with what that public wants. But if this is so, it raises the question of how different groups are to have their voices heard at all, in the wider political conversation. For it’s not as though even autocrats always get their way over the wishes of the masses. As the political scientist Julian Waller has shown, even regimes that don’t embrace formal democracy typically don’t last very long, unless they have some feedback mechanism for responding to different power blocs.
Prior to the universal franchise, indeed well into the early 20th century, it was common to talk about such blocs as aggregate political “interests”: groups such as the working classes, landed gentry, church, and so on. Further back still, the medieval formulation understood these as “estates”, all of which were — in theory if not always in practice — represented according to their needs and obligations.
Prior to mass democracy, though, no one thought the best way to represent each “estate” or “interest” was “one man, one vote”. Indeed, opponents of the franchise argued that flattening interests in this way would warp the overall political fabric to everyone’s detriment. But they didn’t get their way, and now we have the universal franchise — a franchise, indeed, that is set to become even more universal under Keir Starmer.
Does this mean everyone is now better represented than before? Perhaps not. For at the very moment the universal franchise was granted in the early 20th century, extra-democratic bodies such as NGOs and international regulatory entities began professionalising and proliferating, and in the process draining ever more power into pre-political fields closed to the democratic process. It’s possible that this was a coincidence, of course. But perhaps it wasn’t. Perhaps the patrician preference for keeping popular opinion at arm’s length never really went away, meaning that the arrival of the popular voice in the halls of power necessitated new mechanisms for routing around that voice where necessary.
Certainly, it was striking to see this lordly attitude at full volume, in the aftermath of the Brexit vote, as the Remainer great and good united in defence of their beloved, extra-democratic, supranational technocracy. And I’m sure you remember, as I do, every well-connected such individual insisting the referendum should be struck down because people didn’t know what they were voting for, and had been duped by the side of a bus.
Since then, though, I’ve started to wonder whether the technocrats were at least partly right. Given that a great many Tory MPs still don’t seem to understand EU regulatory mechanisms, it’s is at least plausible that no one else did either. Hence, the Remainers may have been, like Cromwell in 1066 and All That, “Right but Repulsive”.
The question nags at me: what if post-industrial society really is too complex for elected generalists to grasp its operations in anything like the detail required to make sensible governing decisions? Well, even if this is true, you may accept in principle that technocrats are a necessary evil, spreadsheets and chinos and all — but in practice, you don’t have to be a technocrat with five PhDs to make reasonable inferences as to whether life is getting better or worse. And on most of the metrics that matter, to most people, life under the Conservatives has been getting worse, with the process accelerating with every change of Prime Minister and attendant slide toward spreadsheets-and-chinos “centrism”.
So even if we do accept in principle that without technocrats things would be even more dire, and hence that the problem isn’t technocrats as such, we may still be dissatisfied with the ones we have. And hence, logically, we still need some mechanism for holding to account whichever technocrats are now tasked with steering this wildly overcomplicated ship of state. But the whole point of technocracy is that it is impervious to such outbreaks of democratic feedback. So how do you course-correct your cadres of unaccountable wonks?
Enter Nigel Farage. My sense is that most of Farage’s supporters don’t want to wield power themselves, and that Farage himself doesn’t really want to be a constituency MP. Rather, Farage’s supporters seek representation, in something more like the medieval sense, as an “interest” or “estate” to be taken seriously. And not without reason: they’re a significant subset of the English polity.
Broadly speaking, Farage represents the English petit bourgeois that lives in villages and small towns, values cultural homogeneity and social trust, and intuits (accurately) that the end of the carbon economy spells disaster for their social class. This group, currently almost entirely voiceless within contemporary politics, would perhaps have been characterised by the now-very-cancelled high imperial writer Rudyard Kipling as the “Saxon” side of the Norman-Saxon hybrid people that has long made up England’s class hierarchy.
As Kipling saw it, the Saxon is generally uninterested in large-scale political power, and content to be governed provided this is done fairly. But the modern-day equivalent of Kipling’s Saxon is ill-served by the modern “Norman”, and is grumbling en masse. Worse still, the Saxon senses the contempt modern Normans have for him, as they sneer at the “bigots” and “gammons”.
This group’s anger was temporarily assuaged by the political realignment we were, however briefly, promised in 2019. But in the end, the realignment we got accelerated the trends that impelled Brexit in the first place: hollowing out the social fabric, draining away real-world jobs in favour of placeless knowledge-work that mostly benefits Normans, and trading in the nation-state and its people for an economic zone populated by fungible, interchangeable human work units — in which the English people have grown increasingly displaced and alienated.
Now, the Saxon is angrier than ever — but, as a consequence of that realignment, also more voiceless. And Farage is variously loved or loathed for his effortless ability to give them a voice. He has become a figurehead and avatar for an entire class, with a role that’s at least as much about symbolic embodiment as it ever could be about the dry legislation-and-policy aspect of politics.
The last time I wrote about him, it was in the context of his appearance on I’m A Celeb. And his return to Reform UK now is a continuation of his I’m A Celeb trajectory: pragmatic recognition that mass politics is both radically defanged, reduced to a branch of entertainment with little to distinguish it from reality TV — and that it nonetheless, paradoxically, still provides avenues for exerting popular pressure on an otherwise untrammelled technocratic class.
What, then, are these avenues? Farage’s modus operandi isn’t grassroots constituency work, canvassing, local associations, policy development and all the other ponderous architecture of universal-franchise-era mass politics. Our obdurate post-Brexit return to uniparty consensus illustrates how resistant such mechanisms have become to deprecated “interests”. Against this, Farage has waged an insurgency on behalf of the English petit-bourgeois class — one now extended, judging by his recent social-media game, to Right-leaning zoomers — via a cocktail of media spectacle, meme activism, plus hacking formal political systems. The endgame isn’t bums on Commons seats, but forcing reluctant technocrats (whatever their formal political affiliation) towards policies that better reflect those outside the charmed circle. To date, Farage has proved a startlingly effective politician despite being yet to enter Parliament as an MP, purely via such para-Parliamentary methods. And it’s ironic that he should point critically at the “sectarian” political activism now emerging from Muslim groups in Britain, many of which increasingly employ much the same MO as Farage, to get their “interest” on the table.
It remains to be seen whether Farage can pull the Brexit stunt again, or indeed how the Saxon will fare, as an “interest”, against the increasingly politicised British Muslim community. Farage may well succeed on his own terms, with an MP or two and a vote tally that delivers a smack to both cheeks of the uniparty backside. Even if this does happen, though, the “interest” he represents within British post-democracy is unlikely to succeed in tilting policy very far in their preferred direction. But with Farage as their avatar, they at least stand a chance of not being entirely disregarded.
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SubscribeHopefully the Americans will eventually wake up to the corruption of their politics and the damage being done by the ludicrous ‘women have pen1ses’ delusions and realise that the world is still the Hobbesian place it’s always been.
Don’t worry. They’ll be fine. They eventually corrected the madness of Prohibition. That’s the key advantage of the West – for all the imperfections, Western democracies aren’t locked to an ideology and can learn and adapt.
I find the prophets of Western doom here ludicrous. Wishful thinking.
Down the street from my friend’s house, in a not-so-poor area of the city, a 12 year old just killed his 34 year old neighboor for guns. Crazy thing is, this is not an abnormal ocurrance. No, I do not think we’ll be fine. I don’t think we’ve been fine for a long long time.
I fear it is you that is doing the wishful thinking.
Me, too. I gave you a thumbs up but it’s astounding that 15 other people gave you a thumbs down.
Down the street from my friend’s house, in a not-so-poor area of the city, a 12 year old just killed his 34 year old neighboor for guns. Crazy thing is, this is not an abnormal ocurrance. No, I do not think we’ll be fine. I don’t think we’ve been fine for a long long time.
I fear it is you that is doing the wishful thinking.
Me, too. I gave you a thumbs up but it’s astounding that 15 other people gave you a thumbs down.
Was it Hobbesian before Hobbes?
A nasty, brutish, and short question I must say.
A nasty, brutish, and short question I must say.
Don’t worry. They’ll be fine. They eventually corrected the madness of Prohibition. That’s the key advantage of the West – for all the imperfections, Western democracies aren’t locked to an ideology and can learn and adapt.
I find the prophets of Western doom here ludicrous. Wishful thinking.
Was it Hobbesian before Hobbes?
Hopefully the Americans will eventually wake up to the corruption of their politics and the damage being done by the ludicrous ‘women have pen1ses’ delusions and realise that the world is still the Hobbesian place it’s always been.
Somehow I don’t think people (or countries) will be interested in using the currency of a totalitarian, communist dictatorship as their foreign currency reserve. However, if they want to try, feel free.
To be fair, America has been behaving like financial authoritarians recently too, so I can’t blame people for looking for an alternative.
This has not happened because people are getting idealogical over who has the most moral currency.
This has happened because America has forced these countries, using sanctions and tariffs, into a parallel system.
By sanctioning and refusing to negotiate with russia and at the same time, starting a trade war with China, they put the last nail in the coffin of the petro dollar. My humble opinion.
I agree 100%. Those actions push people away from the dollar. I just don’t see a viable competitor right now for them to embrace. Diversification? Yes. Replacement with a new reserve currency? No.
I wouldn’t like to say. You could be right. Perhaps it’s not so much about how fast or slow the dollar might loose it’s status, it’s more how long can the US take the reshoring of all those dollars before it causes problems in our financial systems?
I wouldn’t like to say. You could be right. Perhaps it’s not so much about how fast or slow the dollar might loose it’s status, it’s more how long can the US take the reshoring of all those dollars before it causes problems in our financial systems?
Since when have greedy money men been ideological, or moral?
Well there is the fact that the system hasn’t exactly been run very well or even run according to basic economics as far as I can tell. Everything is a mess. And yes, trade and money rarely come down to idealogy, we need trade and money to live. Not idealogical really, just necessary.
Well there is the fact that the system hasn’t exactly been run very well or even run according to basic economics as far as I can tell. Everything is a mess. And yes, trade and money rarely come down to idealogy, we need trade and money to live. Not idealogical really, just necessary.
I agree 100%. Those actions push people away from the dollar. I just don’t see a viable competitor right now for them to embrace. Diversification? Yes. Replacement with a new reserve currency? No.
Since when have greedy money men been ideological, or moral?
This has not happened because people are getting idealogical over who has the most moral currency.
This has happened because America has forced these countries, using sanctions and tariffs, into a parallel system.
By sanctioning and refusing to negotiate with russia and at the same time, starting a trade war with China, they put the last nail in the coffin of the petro dollar. My humble opinion.
Somehow I don’t think people (or countries) will be interested in using the currency of a totalitarian, communist dictatorship as their foreign currency reserve. However, if they want to try, feel free.
To be fair, America has been behaving like financial authoritarians recently too, so I can’t blame people for looking for an alternative.
Hopefully everybody realises that the world is many countries and we all have to cooperate. Between our selfs for the good of humanity ,so de-dollarisation is good for the world
Hopefully everybody realises that the world is many countries and we all have to cooperate. Between our selfs for the good of humanity ,so de-dollarisation is good for the world
The settlement currency is only important if the surplus funds are left in it boosting reserves in that currency. It will bring a spot light on the best reserve currency, a balance between stable exchange rates and interest rates.
The settlement currency is only important if the surplus funds are left in it boosting reserves in that currency. It will bring a spot light on the best reserve currency, a balance between stable exchange rates and interest rates.
Considering its backing government is a totalitarian communist dictatorship with a lousy track record of keeping its promises, I have a hard time seeing wealthy individuals, corporations, or governments wanting to hold the bulk of their foreign currency reserves in yuan. Being a reserve currency is more about politics than economics. Short of a unipolar Chinese world (which is highly unlikely due to China’s demographics) the yuan will be a short-term vehicle only.
However, that doesn’t mean those same people aren’t looking fo diversify from the dollar, and to be blunt, the Euro looks pretty good right now. Never thought I would say those words, but it has weathering two major downturns, the near bankruptcy of 3 member states, and a public health emergency. Could the Euro replace the dollar? Maybe.
As far as Britain is concerned, they’re on a long downhill ride to oblivion at this point. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7572d359298eebabdb76caac486129f7 The pound lost 70% of its value over 50 years, and has never recovered. It likely never will. As this article mentions, England is sucking on the teet of London’s foreign banking system. For the British pound to recover would require England to decide it wants to actually produce something again, and develop an industrial policy to accomplish that goal. Singapore on the Thames is a pipe dream.
The survival of the euro is entirely dependent on the willingness of the Germans to continue to subsidise the French, Italian, Spanish and Greek economies to the detriment of their own.
It seems unlikely that the French, having lived beyond their means and at someone else’s expense (including ours) since the nineteen sixties, will change their behaviour any time soon.
Consequently the hidden imbalances in Europe’s settlement systems will continue to grow for the foreseeable future until it is no longer possible to pretend and extend. At which point …
Interesting. I would not have put France in that list.
Germany has done very well out of the Euro system.. without it no other EU country could afford to buy German cars or any German manufactured goods for that matter.. subsidising other EU countries is a small price to pay.
The German car industry’s most profitable market by far is the UK, due to our unique leasing and other systems: the OEM car manufacturers can issue bonds to finance, and charge the UK car finance buyer on a profit of £3 for every £1 financed… so 300% profit: the car actual price/ margin is almost irrelevant! BMW GmbH call UK ” Fairy Godmother”!
Very true, but worse. they must have known that allowing Greece and other similar weaker economies to join would allow their governments the opportunity to borrow using the Euro credit card at levels that would otherwise be unimaginable that mon to be spend on German, and to a lesser extent French, industrial products.
The German car industry’s most profitable market by far is the UK, due to our unique leasing and other systems: the OEM car manufacturers can issue bonds to finance, and charge the UK car finance buyer on a profit of £3 for every £1 financed… so 300% profit: the car actual price/ margin is almost irrelevant! BMW GmbH call UK ” Fairy Godmother”!
Very true, but worse. they must have known that allowing Greece and other similar weaker economies to join would allow their governments the opportunity to borrow using the Euro credit card at levels that would otherwise be unimaginable that mon to be spend on German, and to a lesser extent French, industrial products.
Interesting. I would not have put France in that list.
Germany has done very well out of the Euro system.. without it no other EU country could afford to buy German cars or any German manufactured goods for that matter.. subsidising other EU countries is a small price to pay.
The survival of the euro is entirely dependent on the willingness of the Germans to continue to subsidise the French, Italian, Spanish and Greek economies to the detriment of their own.
It seems unlikely that the French, having lived beyond their means and at someone else’s expense (including ours) since the nineteen sixties, will change their behaviour any time soon.
Consequently the hidden imbalances in Europe’s settlement systems will continue to grow for the foreseeable future until it is no longer possible to pretend and extend. At which point …
Considering its backing government is a totalitarian communist dictatorship with a lousy track record of keeping its promises, I have a hard time seeing wealthy individuals, corporations, or governments wanting to hold the bulk of their foreign currency reserves in yuan. Being a reserve currency is more about politics than economics. Short of a unipolar Chinese world (which is highly unlikely due to China’s demographics) the yuan will be a short-term vehicle only.
However, that doesn’t mean those same people aren’t looking fo diversify from the dollar, and to be blunt, the Euro looks pretty good right now. Never thought I would say those words, but it has weathering two major downturns, the near bankruptcy of 3 member states, and a public health emergency. Could the Euro replace the dollar? Maybe.
As far as Britain is concerned, they’re on a long downhill ride to oblivion at this point. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7572d359298eebabdb76caac486129f7 The pound lost 70% of its value over 50 years, and has never recovered. It likely never will. As this article mentions, England is sucking on the teet of London’s foreign banking system. For the British pound to recover would require England to decide it wants to actually produce something again, and develop an industrial policy to accomplish that goal. Singapore on the Thames is a pipe dream.
Remarkable how a down-vote bot has consumed the comments! Stunning, I might say engineered.
Remarkable how a down-vote bot has consumed the comments! Stunning, I might say engineered.
Everything is fine.
Everything is fine.
The CCP strategy, and reaction of likes of Brazil, does assume conflict in the South China doesn’t close off export routes and set off a massive world recession – at which point the Dollar, or Euro perhaps, is much safer option. Brazil is assuming all it’s trade across the Pacific or around the Cape of GH remains unaffected. Problematic assumption if you are dealing with a totalitarian regime and their track records in ensuring long term stability in their regions.
As Article implies and some comments reinforce US has a history of being v hard nosed about Dollar supremacy. Ask JMK and what it took to get post WW2 loans to the UK. So they’ll respond and already are in many ways.
V interested though in how the Euro may emerge from this, and of course the long view on the Euro debate within the UK 20+ years ago referred to this potential squeeze. That boat sailed some time ago of course, but it’s moment like this that leave one pondering the balance of that decision and what it may look like to future economic Historians. Too early to tell for now, but not sure the UK’s more recent track record in big long term strategic decisions inspires great confidence.
The CCP strategy, and reaction of likes of Brazil, does assume conflict in the South China doesn’t close off export routes and set off a massive world recession – at which point the Dollar, or Euro perhaps, is much safer option. Brazil is assuming all it’s trade across the Pacific or around the Cape of GH remains unaffected. Problematic assumption if you are dealing with a totalitarian regime and their track records in ensuring long term stability in their regions.
As Article implies and some comments reinforce US has a history of being v hard nosed about Dollar supremacy. Ask JMK and what it took to get post WW2 loans to the UK. So they’ll respond and already are in many ways.
V interested though in how the Euro may emerge from this, and of course the long view on the Euro debate within the UK 20+ years ago referred to this potential squeeze. That boat sailed some time ago of course, but it’s moment like this that leave one pondering the balance of that decision and what it may look like to future economic Historians. Too early to tell for now, but not sure the UK’s more recent track record in big long term strategic decisions inspires great confidence.
The US will not allow dedollarisation to gain momentum. They have ways of making life difficult for those who fail to “get with the program”.
They certainly used to,not so much anymore
Indeed. It could already be argued that as the US no longer even bothers to pretend its debt is anchored to its economic capacity that the dollar is propped up by nothing more than the projection of its overwhelming, debt-fueled military power. But that is how empires crash.
I agree with you. But it will get messy, especially when compounded with their internal rot.
I agree with you. But it will get messy, especially when compounded with their internal rot.
If you replace the word “have” with “had” I’ll agree with you; but the game is up..
They certainly used to,not so much anymore
Indeed. It could already be argued that as the US no longer even bothers to pretend its debt is anchored to its economic capacity that the dollar is propped up by nothing more than the projection of its overwhelming, debt-fueled military power. But that is how empires crash.
If you replace the word “have” with “had” I’ll agree with you; but the game is up..
The US will not allow dedollarisation to gain momentum. They have ways of making life difficult for those who fail to “get with the program”.
Europe already knows just what partnership with China means. China completely gutted the European telecoms equipment industry which had several world leading players up to the 1990s. The US is far from perfect, but I’d trust them any day over the CCP.
Of course, the EU might still decide that being more independent of the US is worth the greater dependency on China. But they’d be fools to do so. Note that the US is still underwriting European defence.
The author mentions the political and economic motivation for creating the Euro – and then fails to ask the obvious question: why would the EU accept a Yuan-based trading regime when it has the Euro ? Is there something wrong with the Euro he omitted to mention ?
Anyway, we’ve been here before, haven’t we ? US/West vs Comecon throughout the Cold War. No brainer.
‘To be a enemy of the US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.’
H. KISSENGER.
Up to the present the UK never fully realised that – but it will learn at enormous cost in the future.
What utter nonsense. We’ve been an ally of the USA for over 100 years. Show me a better ally ? Apart, that is from NZ, Australia and Canada.
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being.
The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
I really don’t want to be nasty, but if the US hadn’t allied itself at enormous cost in blood and treasure, Europe, and particularly the UK’, survival would render your resentment moot.
The US did nothing except out of self interest.
It threw in its lot with the Allies in the First World War because it had lent so much money to the Allies it could not afford them to loose. The US military contribution was negligible and it profited hugely for supplying the Allies.
If I remember correctly America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Until this point American corporations had been doing very nicely and out of Germany. And as for lend lease, this is what Keynes had to say “[Morgenthau is] stripping us of our liquid assets to the greatest extent possible before the Lend Lease Bill comes into operation, so as to leave us with the minimum in hand to meet during the rest of the war the numerous obligations which will not be covered by the Lend Lease Bill. . . . [He is] treat[ing] us worse than we have ever ourselves thought it proper to treat the humblest and least responsible Balkan country.”
The victor gets to write the history. Given the lies we have been told of Iraq, Ukraine, Syria how can we assume what we were told about WW2 is true and do we even know the right side won WW2.
The US did nothing except out of self interest.
It threw in its lot with the Allies in the First World War because it had lent so much money to the Allies it could not afford them to loose. The US military contribution was negligible and it profited hugely for supplying the Allies.
If I remember correctly America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Until this point American corporations had been doing very nicely and out of Germany. And as for lend lease, this is what Keynes had to say “[Morgenthau is] stripping us of our liquid assets to the greatest extent possible before the Lend Lease Bill comes into operation, so as to leave us with the minimum in hand to meet during the rest of the war the numerous obligations which will not be covered by the Lend Lease Bill. . . . [He is] treat[ing] us worse than we have ever ourselves thought it proper to treat the humblest and least responsible Balkan country.”
The victor gets to write the history. Given the lies we have been told of Iraq, Ukraine, Syria how can we assume what we were told about WW2 is true and do we even know the right side won WW2.
US certainly been hard nosed with the UK on occasions, and it’s interests come first.
But how about you go across to Pointe Du Hoc cemetery in Normandy at some point and just have a quiet walk around?
Why should I remotely care about the cemetery at Ponte Du Hoc.
As I have said elsewhere America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Also the American contribution in terms of blood and treasure was negligible compared to the price paid by the UK.
In fact for the US WW2 has to be one of the most profitable exercises any country has ever undertaken.
My heart bleeds for the US it really does
Why should I remotely care about the cemetery at Ponte Du Hoc.
As I have said elsewhere America joined the Second World War because they were invited to do so by Japan and Germany declared war on them.
Also the American contribution in terms of blood and treasure was negligible compared to the price paid by the UK.
In fact for the US WW2 has to be one of the most profitable exercises any country has ever undertaken.
My heart bleeds for the US it really does
I really don’t want to be nasty, but if the US hadn’t allied itself at enormous cost in blood and treasure, Europe, and particularly the UK’, survival would render your resentment moot.
US certainly been hard nosed with the UK on occasions, and it’s interests come first.
But how about you go across to Pointe Du Hoc cemetery in Normandy at some point and just have a quiet walk around?
..doesn’t follow it will continue.. on the up fine, but as the US declines it will drop friends that are of no further use, ie as it applies ‘America First’ policies..
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being.
The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
..doesn’t follow it will continue.. on the up fine, but as the US declines it will drop friends that are of no further use, ie as it applies ‘America First’ policies..
I fear you are correct.. an enemy will be on its guard but a friend lets its guard down and is easily gutted!
There was a US ‘America First’ campaign all the way up to 1941. 80 years on…
The isolationist stream in the US not new at all, but when rhetoric meets realpolitik some things appear to have a v strong track record.
There was a US ‘America First’ campaign all the way up to 1941. 80 years on…
The isolationist stream in the US not new at all, but when rhetoric meets realpolitik some things appear to have a v strong track record.
What a load of tosh. Clearly you never got taught even the basic landscape of 20thC history.
US has made foreign policy mistakes, painfully so on a number of key occasions. But it’s also secured the freedom of the western world too. We’d all be either under National Socialist, Communist or some other Totalitarian heirs otherwise.
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being. The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
The list of how the US has f*****d over the UK is so long it is difficult to know where to being. The UK has been an ally to the US but rarely has the US been an ally to the UK. Starting before the end of WWI the objective of the US was to break then supplant the UK as a global power and this continued well after the WW2
What utter nonsense. We’ve been an ally of the USA for over 100 years. Show me a better ally ? Apart, that is from NZ, Australia and Canada.
I fear you are correct.. an enemy will be on its guard but a friend lets its guard down and is easily gutted!
What a load of tosh. Clearly you never got taught even the basic landscape of 20thC history.
US has made foreign policy mistakes, painfully so on a number of key occasions. But it’s also secured the freedom of the western world too. We’d all be either under National Socialist, Communist or some other Totalitarian heirs otherwise.
The current generation of EU leaders think that history ended in 1989. Europe will continue to flounder until they are replaced by a new generation with a more realistic world view.
…when they extract themselves from under the US jackboot and grow a backbone.
…when they extract themselves from under the US jackboot and grow a backbone.
Your opening paragraph suggests it’s better to be invaded than outcompeted.. I’m not convinced. If European electronics couldn’t keep pace they only have themselves to blame.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s nothing about invasion there.
You clearly haven’t understood what I was saying, but never mind. It’s hardly the first time. And sadly probably not the last. For the record, the European companies were competitive. The Chinese made progress through a combination of IP theft, technology gain through forced joint ventures (Western companies at fault here), state subsidies and dumping.
So right PB.
As we awaken to what the CCP techno-totalitarians have been doing to undermine us it will, and already has, reaffirm the historical importance of our alliance and relationship with the US. Not all marriages are ‘Moon in June’ all the time, but nothing bonds folks like a common, malign and dangerous threat.
It was not just China. You can also include Taiwan
So right PB.
As we awaken to what the CCP techno-totalitarians have been doing to undermine us it will, and already has, reaffirm the historical importance of our alliance and relationship with the US. Not all marriages are ‘Moon in June’ all the time, but nothing bonds folks like a common, malign and dangerous threat.
It was not just China. You can also include Taiwan
I have no idea what you’re talking about. There’s nothing about invasion there.
You clearly haven’t understood what I was saying, but never mind. It’s hardly the first time. And sadly probably not the last. For the record, the European companies were competitive. The Chinese made progress through a combination of IP theft, technology gain through forced joint ventures (Western companies at fault here), state subsidies and dumping.
‘To be a enemy of the US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.’
H. KISSENGER.
Up to the present the UK never fully realised that – but it will learn at enormous cost in the future.
The current generation of EU leaders think that history ended in 1989. Europe will continue to flounder until they are replaced by a new generation with a more realistic world view.
Your opening paragraph suggests it’s better to be invaded than outcompeted.. I’m not convinced. If European electronics couldn’t keep pace they only have themselves to blame.
Europe already knows just what partnership with China means. China completely gutted the European telecoms equipment industry which had several world leading players up to the 1990s. The US is far from perfect, but I’d trust them any day over the CCP.
Of course, the EU might still decide that being more independent of the US is worth the greater dependency on China. But they’d be fools to do so. Note that the US is still underwriting European defence.
The author mentions the political and economic motivation for creating the Euro – and then fails to ask the obvious question: why would the EU accept a Yuan-based trading regime when it has the Euro ? Is there something wrong with the Euro he omitted to mention ?
Anyway, we’ve been here before, haven’t we ? US/West vs Comecon throughout the Cold War. No brainer.
If the EU wants to trust their economy to a bunch of totalitarian, self interested and genocidal thugs they are even more stupid and short sighted than anyone thought
The problem is that they have already done just that and are looking to China to restore some semblance of normality away from their colonial oppressor across the Atlantic.
When you refer to ‘a bunch of totalitarian self interested thugs’ I presume you’re talking about the Almighty USofA.
You spent anytime working, writing, voicing opinions etc in China? Gone to a ballot box in China when you are fed up with who’s in charge? Read a critical editorial in any Chinese paper? Sought justice in a CCP court of law? etc etc.
Juvenile comments obviously just make the exponent look, well… juvenile.
You spent anytime working, writing, voicing opinions etc in China? Gone to a ballot box in China when you are fed up with who’s in charge? Read a critical editorial in any Chinese paper? Sought justice in a CCP court of law? etc etc.
Juvenile comments obviously just make the exponent look, well… juvenile.
..are you referring to the Chinese or the Americans?
The problem is that they have already done just that and are looking to China to restore some semblance of normality away from their colonial oppressor across the Atlantic.
When you refer to ‘a bunch of totalitarian self interested thugs’ I presume you’re talking about the Almighty USofA.
..are you referring to the Chinese or the Americans?
If the EU wants to trust their economy to a bunch of totalitarian, self interested and genocidal thugs they are even more stupid and short sighted than anyone thought