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‘I will never call my rapist father a woman’ Sexual predators are finding new ways to hide

“My father wasn’t dysphoric when he was abusing me.” Daniel Munoz/AFP/Getty Images

“My father wasn’t dysphoric when he was abusing me.” Daniel Munoz/AFP/Getty Images


May 30, 2023   6 mins

“I have no respect for those criminal sex offenders who want to make life easier for themselves,” says Ceri-Lee Galvin. “My father wasn’t dysphoric about his male genitals when he was abusing me.”

Ceri-Lee is a bright and confident 24-year-old who juggles taking care of her young child with training to be a paramedic. In contrast to the loving family and happy life she now has, her childhood was pure hell. For nine bleak years, she was sexually abused and raped by her father, an ordeal that began when she was just eight years old.

But Clive Bundy, the man that subjected Ceri-Lee to unimaginable hurt and terror, has recently discarded his old life and now identifies as a woman. Ceri-Lee has felt compelled to speak out, in condemnation of a justice system that helps dangerous sexual predators to evade detection and to potentially target other child victims in female-only facilities.

In 2016, Bundy was arrested by police that had been monitoring his activities online. When they searched his laptop, they found numerous child abuse images, including a record of his abuse of Ceri-Lee. Bundy was jailed for 15 years but served half of that sentence, before being released a few weeks ago on licence.

Prior to his release, Bundy announced his decision to leave prison as a woman, stating that he has changed his name to Claire Fox.

It may not be coincidence that his chosen name is that of a high-profile campaigner who has used her seat in the House of Lords to argue that transgender activism endangers free speech and women’s rights.

Last month, Baroness Fox asked — in an online article entitled “A ‘Trans’ Paedophile Stole My Name” — why Bundy chose to troll her in this way. “I can only speculate. One commentator suggests that sex offenders, specifically paedophiles, select the names of well-known people so that an internet search will only turn up the famous person, and not them.”

There is, however, she explained, one small consolation in what she sees as Bundy’s trolling. “Should Clive Bundy ever start using social media under the name Claire Fox, he might find himself subjected to anti-Terf trolls, who routinely target gender-critical women like me, barraging us with misogynistic abuse.”

It is largely thanks to a second British parliamentarian that Bundy’s new name is in the public domain at all. Under Section 22 of the Gender Recognition Act 2004, it is against the law to expose the former name of a person that has changed gender. But in March this year, Labour MP and women’s rights campaigner Sarah Champion raised the case in the House of Commons, where legislators are granted protection against civil and criminal liability.

Feminists have long pointed out that men who wish to sexually abuse women and children will seek out and exploit loopholes and opportunities in order to find new victims. Former convicts have been known to change their name by deed poll, for instance, and while they are required to inform the authorities immediately on doing so, many do not, and simply build new identities.

With gender reassignment more commonplace — and easy — than ever, it offers a new opportunity for dangerous sexual predators to change both their name and their sex, and then to hide in plain sight.

These fears are well founded and well documented. Look, for example, at the case of Karen White, a convicted child sex offender and rapist who, while legally still a man, was put in a female-only prison where he went on to sexually assault two inmates.

Then there is the more recent case of double rapist Adam Graham who, prior to his conviction, declared himself to be a woman and changed his name to Isla Bryson. Having been sent to Cornton Vale, Scotland’s only all-women’s prison, he was only moved as a result of a massive feminist protest.

Ceri-Lee wants the names of Clive Bundy and Claire Fox to be linked on official records. But the law requires us all to pretend that no such link exists — that, essentially, the convicted serial child sex offender no longer exists.

Since hearing about her rapist’s release, Ceri-Lee has experienced flashbacks to her own abuse. “Him doing this has caused me terrible anxiety,” she tells me. “I am worried about the girls in my family being targeted by him.”

She is also distressed that, yet again, Bundy has successfully manipulated the system. When she was told about his decision to assume a new identity as a woman, “it was a real shock”, she says. “I had no idea that he would be allowed to change his name and his identity in law when he was on the Sex Offender Register.”

Before this child rapist declared his intention to live as a woman, Ceri-Lee was “fairly liberal” about gender reassignment, taking a “live and let live” approach. More recently, however, she has discovered for herself the implications and unintended consequences of self-ID, the law that permits adults to change their gender without a medical diagnosis. In a world in which men can now legally enter single-sex spaces once earmarked for women and girls, Ceri-Lee’s opinions have shifted.

When she told her family members about Bundy’s transition, “at first, all we could do was laugh”, she says. “It’s so ridiculous… There’s just no way a man like him feels like he is a woman. He is so macho. He was always very proud of how manly he was.”

At the time of his arrest, Bundy denied every offence he was charged with. “The police said they’d never been faced with anyone as manipulative and coercive,” says Ceri-Lee. “Why can’t they see this is just him, again, trying to trick the system?”

Ceri-Lee was at home with her child when the Victim Support Officer called her out of the blue to let her know her father hadn’t been considered for parole because of an altercation in prison, before casually adding: “‘Oh, and by the way, he’s given us permission to tell you that he’s now female and calling himself Claire Fox…’ It was as if [the officer] was telling me what was for dinner.”

Had Bundy not given permission for Ceri-Lee to know his new identity — more power-play, and an example of his coercive and controlling tactics — neither she or the rest of her family would have had any idea that Bundy had “disappeared”, replaced by a woman called Claire.

Inevitably, Ceri-Lee has been accused of transphobia. “Somebody asked on Twitter how long it’s going to be before I’m convicted of a hate crime,” she says, “because I will never, ever refer to him as female. When he made me handle his male genitalia, he definitely wasn’t a female then — and he will never be a female in my eyes.”

Horrified that a sex offender such as Bundy could now freely visit a public swimming pool full of children, Ceri-Lee asks: “He didn’t abuse little boys, he abused girls — why should he ever be allowed to go into female-only spaces?”

She insists her motivation is not transphobic — “in fact, I feel an affinity with these people: I know what it’s like to be a child faced with a secret that feels wrong but [you] can’t tell anyone. I know the bravery it takes to come out and say something. I felt wrong in my body because of being sexually abused, so I understand what it feels like to want to escape it.”

Aware that to criticise anything to do with transgender ideology can have adverse consequences, Ceri-Lee admits she was worried about the effect that going public might have on her medical career. She was hoping to go to university to become a paramedic when she was told of her father’s release from jail.

The NHS has certainly been captured by trans ideology, with some Trusts having issued guidance which states that patients should be admitted based on the ‘gender they identify with’ and therefore can choose which ward, toilet and shower facilities they use.

Ceri-Lee is determined to continue her campaign, but waiving her right to anonymity, in order to go public about the identity of her abuser, has already cost her dearly. “It was the most difficult decision I have ever made. I think of myself as quite a confident person. I can walk the streets and people don’t know about the little girl that was abused and who wanted to kill herself.

“He told me I could never reveal what he was doing to me, or other family members would get hurt,” she says. “But I am done with being scared of him.”

Appalled that Bundy’s new persona has, with the stroke of a pronoun, all but erased from the public record what he did to her, Ceri-Lee is now determined to ensure that any medical transition will not give him access to vulnerable female victims. “He will do it to other girls,” she says, “I just know he will. I have to get the message out. But if I can stop one girl from having to go through this then it’ll be worth it.”


Julie Bindel is an investigative journalist, author, and feminist campaigner. Her latest book is Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation. She also writes on Substack.

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Maansson Hansen
Maansson Hansen
1 year ago

Ceri-Lee is a brave woman. Thank you!

Last edited 1 year ago by Maansson Hansen
Ray Hall
Ray Hall
1 year ago

Agreed . And JB is right to high-light these protection episodes

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago

Shouldn’t be down to isolated, weak individuals to be brave to cover up for institutional cowardice and failure by politicians and police.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Perhaps you mean vulnerable rather than weak.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

The amount of misogyny coming off the men in this comments section is appalling. Horrifying. Disgusting.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

The amount of misogyny coming off the men in this comments section is appalling. Horrifying. Disgusting.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Perhaps you mean vulnerable rather than weak.

Ray Hall
Ray Hall
1 year ago

Agreed . And JB is right to high-light these protection episodes

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago

Shouldn’t be down to isolated, weak individuals to be brave to cover up for institutional cowardice and failure by politicians and police.

Maansson Hansen
Maansson Hansen
1 year ago

Ceri-Lee is a brave woman. Thank you!

Last edited 1 year ago by Maansson Hansen
Lisa I
Lisa I
1 year ago

This ideology is becoming increasingly dangerous. For anyone who is interested, look up the new hate speech legislation in Ireland. It has a big emphasis on transgender ideology. It has been passed by the lower Parliament and the upper parliament is basically a rubber stamping institution.

The government ran a ‘public consultation’ that was kept under the radar. Despite that, over 70% of the population who responded voiced opposition to it. The government responded by saying that the public’s views may have been hijacked by interest groups. They ignored the public’s views and pressed ahead with the new bill. The irony is that these campaigns are organised and pushed by special interest groups, while the pushback is organic and unorganised.

Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism but our democratically elected government is now rushing to embrace 21st century style authoritarianism. It’s very disturbing. The vast number of politicians are afraid of confronting this tendancy because of the trouble activists cause for people who do so.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa I

“Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism”
The de Valera regime enjoyed friendly relations with the Nazis.

George H
George H
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

It didn’t. That’s anti-Irish hogwash. Ireland was neutral and, as such, maintained diplomatic relations with Germany throughout the war. ‘Diplomatic’ is not a synonym for ‘friendly’. Irish military intelligence cooperated with the Allies. German airmen who came down in Ireland were interned for the duration of the war, while Allied airmen were put on the Holyhead ferry to fight another day. De Valera’s tragic, stupid mistake – which has had a lasting impact on the perception of Ireland’s relationship with Nazi Germany – was to observe the normal protocol for heads of states with which one has diplomatic relations and offer condolences on the death of Hitler.

Lisa I
Lisa I
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

He was insistent on being publicly neutral in the war. To the extent of offering condolences to the German ambassador on Hitler’s death. Behind the scenes that wasn’t the case. He was a social conservative but but economically more left leaning.

He returned British pow’s pilots who landed in Ireland whereas he imprisoned the German ones. He also passed intelligence to the allies and was trusted with information about D day in advance.

However, the forerunner of the other main political party (Fine Gael) had members that were friendly to fascism. One of whom went on to form a fascist party after he was expelled from Fine Gael. It was considered a bit of an embarrassment at the time.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

We should have shot de Valera in 1916, along with the others.

Even now I gather a British Circuit Judge has lectured on the subject saying we went OTT in 1916, which obviously wasn’t the case.

Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

What does all this have to do with the topic?

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

Britain’s reaction to the Easter Rising single-handedly gave a massive propaganda boost for Sinn Fein and the IRA. As you might recall, Sinn Fein won overwhelmingly in the 1918 Irish elections. No doubt Britain could have held Ireland down by brute force, which had not been the case before in our complex history between the two islands, but would therefore largely ceased to be a liberal democratic state of law, plus a terrorist running sore might have gone on for decades, making the later Northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ seem a tea party in comparison. That game was not worth the candle, as sensible politicians like Churchill and Lloyd George well knew.
It might have gone another way, possibly if the British Liberal Party had meaningfully combatted the Irish Famine. However the long term trajectory is completely clear for anyone for eyes to see: Ireland which while not without its own problems will become a unified nation completely independent of Britain, but hopefully with friendly relations with it.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

What does all this have to do with the topic?

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago

Britain’s reaction to the Easter Rising single-handedly gave a massive propaganda boost for Sinn Fein and the IRA. As you might recall, Sinn Fein won overwhelmingly in the 1918 Irish elections. No doubt Britain could have held Ireland down by brute force, which had not been the case before in our complex history between the two islands, but would therefore largely ceased to be a liberal democratic state of law, plus a terrorist running sore might have gone on for decades, making the later Northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ seem a tea party in comparison. That game was not worth the candle, as sensible politicians like Churchill and Lloyd George well knew.
It might have gone another way, possibly if the British Liberal Party had meaningfully combatted the Irish Famine. However the long term trajectory is completely clear for anyone for eyes to see: Ireland which while not without its own problems will become a unified nation completely independent of Britain, but hopefully with friendly relations with it.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Eamonn Toland
Eamonn Toland
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

That might be why Dublin was “accidentally” bombed by Germany after fire crews rushed north to help in Belfast during the Blitz. It also might explain why the Irish Constitution of 1937 explicitly recognized Judaism the year before Kristallnacht. Prior to WWII Ireland relied on multilateral action through the League of Nations without having the means to project power unilaterally. The state condemned Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia in trenchant terms, for instance, but could do little about it on its own.
Ireland is one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in continuous existence in Europe, very much inspired by the model of Britain. The Irish state can be faulted for failing to take in more refugees before the war, and for DeValera’s odious diplomatic formality on passing on condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler. That doesn’t mean Ireland had friendly relations with the Nazis – it executed IRA members who attempted collaboration.
Ireland was officially neutral, so the provision of weather information to the Allies before D-Day remained classified for decades, as well as the permission to overfly Donegal to attack wolf packs in the Atlantic.
Certainly, you could argue that the Irish state ought to have entered the war at the latest when America joined the fight in December 1941, although 50,000 men from southern Ireland did volunteer to fight in Britain, including the youngest Wing Commander in Fighter Command, Brendan Finucane, as well as thousands more in Canadian and American uniform.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

A truly ridiculous comment, which others have answered.

George H
George H
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

It didn’t. That’s anti-Irish hogwash. Ireland was neutral and, as such, maintained diplomatic relations with Germany throughout the war. ‘Diplomatic’ is not a synonym for ‘friendly’. Irish military intelligence cooperated with the Allies. German airmen who came down in Ireland were interned for the duration of the war, while Allied airmen were put on the Holyhead ferry to fight another day. De Valera’s tragic, stupid mistake – which has had a lasting impact on the perception of Ireland’s relationship with Nazi Germany – was to observe the normal protocol for heads of states with which one has diplomatic relations and offer condolences on the death of Hitler.

Lisa I
Lisa I
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

He was insistent on being publicly neutral in the war. To the extent of offering condolences to the German ambassador on Hitler’s death. Behind the scenes that wasn’t the case. He was a social conservative but but economically more left leaning.

He returned British pow’s pilots who landed in Ireland whereas he imprisoned the German ones. He also passed intelligence to the allies and was trusted with information about D day in advance.

However, the forerunner of the other main political party (Fine Gael) had members that were friendly to fascism. One of whom went on to form a fascist party after he was expelled from Fine Gael. It was considered a bit of an embarrassment at the time.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

We should have shot de Valera in 1916, along with the others.

Even now I gather a British Circuit Judge has lectured on the subject saying we went OTT in 1916, which obviously wasn’t the case.

Last edited 1 year ago by Charles Stanhope
Eamonn Toland
Eamonn Toland
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

That might be why Dublin was “accidentally” bombed by Germany after fire crews rushed north to help in Belfast during the Blitz. It also might explain why the Irish Constitution of 1937 explicitly recognized Judaism the year before Kristallnacht. Prior to WWII Ireland relied on multilateral action through the League of Nations without having the means to project power unilaterally. The state condemned Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia in trenchant terms, for instance, but could do little about it on its own.
Ireland is one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in continuous existence in Europe, very much inspired by the model of Britain. The Irish state can be faulted for failing to take in more refugees before the war, and for DeValera’s odious diplomatic formality on passing on condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler. That doesn’t mean Ireland had friendly relations with the Nazis – it executed IRA members who attempted collaboration.
Ireland was officially neutral, so the provision of weather information to the Allies before D-Day remained classified for decades, as well as the permission to overfly Donegal to attack wolf packs in the Atlantic.
Certainly, you could argue that the Irish state ought to have entered the war at the latest when America joined the fight in December 1941, although 50,000 men from southern Ireland did volunteer to fight in Britain, including the youngest Wing Commander in Fighter Command, Brendan Finucane, as well as thousands more in Canadian and American uniform.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

A truly ridiculous comment, which others have answered.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa I

“Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism”
The de Valera regime enjoyed friendly relations with the Nazis.

Lisa I
Lisa I
1 year ago

This ideology is becoming increasingly dangerous. For anyone who is interested, look up the new hate speech legislation in Ireland. It has a big emphasis on transgender ideology. It has been passed by the lower Parliament and the upper parliament is basically a rubber stamping institution.

The government ran a ‘public consultation’ that was kept under the radar. Despite that, over 70% of the population who responded voiced opposition to it. The government responded by saying that the public’s views may have been hijacked by interest groups. They ignored the public’s views and pressed ahead with the new bill. The irony is that these campaigns are organised and pushed by special interest groups, while the pushback is organic and unorganised.

Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism but our democratically elected government is now rushing to embrace 21st century style authoritarianism. It’s very disturbing. The vast number of politicians are afraid of confronting this tendancy because of the trouble activists cause for people who do so.

Nuala Rosher
Nuala Rosher
1 year ago

Someone who is on the Sex offenders list should always have his names linked. What is the point in having a police check if offenders can hide like this?

Nuala Rosher
Nuala Rosher
1 year ago

Someone who is on the Sex offenders list should always have his names linked. What is the point in having a police check if offenders can hide like this?

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Just shocking. The rights of law-abiding citizens take a back seat as usual.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago

The rights of WOMEN take a back seat as usual.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago

The rights of WOMEN take a back seat as usual.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Just shocking. The rights of law-abiding citizens take a back seat as usual.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

I’m glad to see that, unlike the Telegraph, Unherd’s columnists refer to these dirty old men using the correct male pronouns.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Halleluyah for that. I see red when journaliats cave to pressure.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Halleluyah for that. I see red when journaliats cave to pressure.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

I’m glad to see that, unlike the Telegraph, Unherd’s columnists refer to these dirty old men using the correct male pronouns.

Jimjim McHale
Jimjim McHale
1 year ago

Unfortunately, reading this made me so angry! I wish people would wake up and start protecting women from these predator males who basically are BULLIES who have found an easy way to continue to bully females in prisons, sports and other venues. If a MAN wants to become a WOMAN, then chop his p***s off – end of story.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimjim McHale

It still does not make him a woman. He will always, and can only be, a man. And chopping his px”8s off will not stop a sex abuser from abusing, either sexually or just for the power.

Phil Mac
Phil Mac
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Sure as Hell tests his resolve and sincerity though! 🙂

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Oh, he won’t be chopping his p**is off, trust me. He’ll just bung a bad wig on his head and a pair of leggings.

Phil Mac
Phil Mac
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Sure as Hell tests his resolve and sincerity though! 🙂

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Oh, he won’t be chopping his p**is off, trust me. He’ll just bung a bad wig on his head and a pair of leggings.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimjim McHale

Why is it “unfortunate” that you felt angry? It’s an entirely appropriate response.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimjim McHale

It still does not make him a woman. He will always, and can only be, a man. And chopping his px”8s off will not stop a sex abuser from abusing, either sexually or just for the power.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Jimjim McHale

Why is it “unfortunate” that you felt angry? It’s an entirely appropriate response.

Jimjim McHale
Jimjim McHale
1 year ago

Unfortunately, reading this made me so angry! I wish people would wake up and start protecting women from these predator males who basically are BULLIES who have found an easy way to continue to bully females in prisons, sports and other venues. If a MAN wants to become a WOMAN, then chop his p***s off – end of story.

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago

Just another way in which ‘trans rights’ is a cover for men’s rights.

Martin Brumby
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

No. Not “men’s rights at all.
“Perverts’ rights”, certainly.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Brumby

The above is typical.
The criminals who are treated the worst, by far, when they go to jail….are rapists and child molesters.
Men, even the worst of men, thieves, cons, murderers, loathe those animals.

Whereas, the media, child services, teachers, government officials who were crucial at covering up industrial scale rape by the grooming gangs….were largely female.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Do you know that for a fact? What is the source of that comment?

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Women are not to blame for the crimes committed against them by men. You need to do some serious self reflection, sir.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Do you know that for a fact? What is the source of that comment?

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Women are not to blame for the crimes committed against them by men. You need to do some serious self reflection, sir.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Brumby

The above is typical.
The criminals who are treated the worst, by far, when they go to jail….are rapists and child molesters.
Men, even the worst of men, thieves, cons, murderers, loathe those animals.

Whereas, the media, child services, teachers, government officials who were crucial at covering up industrial scale rape by the grooming gangs….were largely female.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

BS.
It wasn’t men who demanded that separate spaces for men and women be dismantled, or that both genders be treated as if there was no difference.
Men, when they were in charge, put in place women’s sports, separate prisons, strict laws for rapists.

The onus for this is entirely on women. It’s just that for decades, men (and boys) were the ones who bore the brunt of feminist ideology- the destruction of male only spaces, legal discrimination based on “gender equality”….

Now women are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they still can’t do the one thing men have to take for granted: being responsible for their own actions.

Ed Carden
Ed Carden
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Amen. It’s unfortunate that non-feminist women are also victims of this but what is happening is a kind of karma. The same tactics modern 3rd wave feminist used to attack men the past 2 decades are now being used on them by these transactivist and the one and only group of people who in the past would have defended the women and been capable of shutting this done is the same group the feminist spent 2 decades tearing down.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

You are grandiose. Men are the ones who caused this, and men have repeatedly always posed 100% of the danger to women at any given time, at any given point in history. They have always imposed restrictions upon her and prevented her autonomy. They’ve always made her economic desperation law. Gender ideology at its core is deeply antifeminist. You would know this if you knew anything about feminism or gender ideology.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Sophia Haq

Exactly.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Sophia Haq

Exactly.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

Rubbish.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

You are grandiose. Men are the ones who caused this, and men have repeatedly always posed 100% of the danger to women at any given time, at any given point in history. They have always imposed restrictions upon her and prevented her autonomy. They’ve always made her economic desperation law. Gender ideology at its core is deeply antifeminist. You would know this if you knew anything about feminism or gender ideology.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

Rubbish.

Ed Carden
Ed Carden
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

You’ll find NancyG frequently blaming men still for all the woes of the world including the problems that the feminist created because modern 3rd wave feminist women are incapable of accepting accountability. I try to separate the 3rd wave feminist from pre-3rd wave since it is with the 3rd wave that they became a man hating ideology believing that females’ are superior and in some extreme cases arguing for the genocide of men like as if that’s even something they could pull off. Because of our biological imperative to try and make females happy we tolerate a lot of crap including 3rd wave feminism but should they ever foolishly try to do something like commit genocide they’ll quickly find out how tolerant men have been.
In case the feminist try to argue that no such claims of male genocide have been made here’s a story from the DAILY MAIL on just 1 example of this. Yes 3rd wave feminists have argued for killing all men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-1398499/Controversial-video-resurfaces-woman-declaring-kill-men.html

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

“Biological imperative to try to make women happy” that’s hilarious. you’re a male supremacist historical revisionist latching onto another anti feminist movement (gender ideology) and citing it as karma and punishment when you’re completely ignorant about how any of the waves of feminism work. you are literally saying random women deserve rape as karma for this imaginary version of feminism that has never physically harmed anyone in the history of the world. get out of here subhuman!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

One story from the daily Mail!! One swallow doesn’t make a summer.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

“Biological imperative to try to make women happy” that’s hilarious. you’re a male supremacist historical revisionist latching onto another anti feminist movement (gender ideology) and citing it as karma and punishment when you’re completely ignorant about how any of the waves of feminism work. you are literally saying random women deserve rape as karma for this imaginary version of feminism that has never physically harmed anyone in the history of the world. get out of here subhuman!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

One story from the daily Mail!! One swallow doesn’t make a summer.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

There are videos of men’s rights activists from 2013 predicting this entire thing and saying it would result in another patriarchy. Men have wanted to take away feminist law since its inception, there has been CONSTANT backlash from men, to feminism. Read a book.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Again, is this a fact or just a biased comment?

Ed Carden
Ed Carden
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Amen. It’s unfortunate that non-feminist women are also victims of this but what is happening is a kind of karma. The same tactics modern 3rd wave feminist used to attack men the past 2 decades are now being used on them by these transactivist and the one and only group of people who in the past would have defended the women and been capable of shutting this done is the same group the feminist spent 2 decades tearing down.

Ed Carden
Ed Carden
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

You’ll find NancyG frequently blaming men still for all the woes of the world including the problems that the feminist created because modern 3rd wave feminist women are incapable of accepting accountability. I try to separate the 3rd wave feminist from pre-3rd wave since it is with the 3rd wave that they became a man hating ideology believing that females’ are superior and in some extreme cases arguing for the genocide of men like as if that’s even something they could pull off. Because of our biological imperative to try and make females happy we tolerate a lot of crap including 3rd wave feminism but should they ever foolishly try to do something like commit genocide they’ll quickly find out how tolerant men have been.
In case the feminist try to argue that no such claims of male genocide have been made here’s a story from the DAILY MAIL on just 1 example of this. Yes 3rd wave feminists have argued for killing all men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-1398499/Controversial-video-resurfaces-woman-declaring-kill-men.html

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

There are videos of men’s rights activists from 2013 predicting this entire thing and saying it would result in another patriarchy. Men have wanted to take away feminist law since its inception, there has been CONSTANT backlash from men, to feminism. Read a book.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Again, is this a fact or just a biased comment?

Ed Carden
Ed Carden
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

That’s a load of crap. Real heterosexual men have nothing do with these loons. Modern 3rd wave feminists are facing a form of karma. After spending 2 decades attacking and tear down heterosexual men they have opened the door, laid the groundwork for transactivism to exist. Were this the pre-2000’s back when men had not yet been torn down by 3rd wave feminist this kind of crap would not have been allowed to evened that initial foothold.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

You’re disgusting and stupid, probably worthless. Feminists have been opposing transgenders for 50+ years you illiterate scumbag. Read a book sometime instead of relying on osmosis to understand the historical context of a political and philosophical theory. You look dumb. This individual is a MAN, committing MALE CRIME. You are acting like a male, blaming women for male criminality. There are books you can read. Feminists are not going to spoonfeed you, a male, the truth and you are certainly not going to seek it on your own, vapid puppet. Male criminality is the problem, your ingroup is the perpetrator. Men have always allowed child s*xual assault because they commit it the most. Men are the problem, masculine ideals are the problem. You’re out of touch!

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Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Sophia Haq

I understand you passion, Sophia, but resorting to verbal abuse does nothing to validate the point you’re trying to make. On the contrary it makes you sound like those you abhor. Perhaps you could suggest book titles in the hopes that those that are ignorant might be open to being educated.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Sophia Haq

I understand you passion, Sophia, but resorting to verbal abuse does nothing to validate the point you’re trying to make. On the contrary it makes you sound like those you abhor. Perhaps you could suggest book titles in the hopes that those that are ignorant might be open to being educated.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

Would a “real man” be so easily beaten down?

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

These loons are real heterosexual men. That’s the point.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

You’re disgusting and stupid, probably worthless. Feminists have been opposing transgenders for 50+ years you illiterate scumbag. Read a book sometime instead of relying on osmosis to understand the historical context of a political and philosophical theory. You look dumb. This individual is a MAN, committing MALE CRIME. You are acting like a male, blaming women for male criminality. There are books you can read. Feminists are not going to spoonfeed you, a male, the truth and you are certainly not going to seek it on your own, vapid puppet. Male criminality is the problem, your ingroup is the perpetrator. Men have always allowed child s*xual assault because they commit it the most. Men are the problem, masculine ideals are the problem. You’re out of touch!

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Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

Would a “real man” be so easily beaten down?

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Carden

These loons are real heterosexual men. That’s the point.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Aint that the truth!

Martin Brumby
Martin Brumby
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

No. Not “men’s rights at all.
“Perverts’ rights”, certainly.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

BS.
It wasn’t men who demanded that separate spaces for men and women be dismantled, or that both genders be treated as if there was no difference.
Men, when they were in charge, put in place women’s sports, separate prisons, strict laws for rapists.

The onus for this is entirely on women. It’s just that for decades, men (and boys) were the ones who bore the brunt of feminist ideology- the destruction of male only spaces, legal discrimination based on “gender equality”….

Now women are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they still can’t do the one thing men have to take for granted: being responsible for their own actions.

Ed Carden
Ed Carden
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

That’s a load of crap. Real heterosexual men have nothing do with these loons. Modern 3rd wave feminists are facing a form of karma. After spending 2 decades attacking and tear down heterosexual men they have opened the door, laid the groundwork for transactivism to exist. Were this the pre-2000’s back when men had not yet been torn down by 3rd wave feminist this kind of crap would not have been allowed to evened that initial foothold.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Aint that the truth!

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago

Just another way in which ‘trans rights’ is a cover for men’s rights.

Douglas H
Douglas H
1 year ago

Thanks, JB, for another excellent article.

Douglas H
Douglas H
1 year ago

Thanks, JB, for another excellent article.

elspeth mcveigh
elspeth mcveigh
1 year ago

P… Off pretentious individuals and stick to the point.What is happening is an outrage – in real – not intellectual, show off time.

elspeth mcveigh
elspeth mcveigh
1 year ago

P… Off pretentious individuals and stick to the point.What is happening is an outrage – in real – not intellectual, show off time.

Edward H
Edward H
1 year ago

The Deed Poll system and the DBS system aren’t linked‽

Ray Hall
Ray Hall
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

Joined up government , anyone ?

Lang Cleg
Lang Cleg
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

When you have a spare hour, please read this report by Keep Prisons Single Sex on how the DBS procedure has been corrupted by soi disant “gender recognition”. It beggars belief.
https://kpssinfo.org/dbs-checks-and-identity-verification-pdf/

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

I think it’s more a case they’re not allowed to be linked (as pointed out in Julie’s article).

Allie McBeth
Allie McBeth
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

Exactly! There has got to be some way to connect the two, especially in terms of sex change naming.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

never heard of an Aston Martin deed poll….

Kate Heusser
Kate Heusser
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

There’s no such thing as ‘the Deed Poll system’ so, no.

Ray Hall
Ray Hall
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

Joined up government , anyone ?

Lang Cleg
Lang Cleg
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

When you have a spare hour, please read this report by Keep Prisons Single Sex on how the DBS procedure has been corrupted by soi disant “gender recognition”. It beggars belief.
https://kpssinfo.org/dbs-checks-and-identity-verification-pdf/

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

I think it’s more a case they’re not allowed to be linked (as pointed out in Julie’s article).

Allie McBeth
Allie McBeth
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

Exactly! There has got to be some way to connect the two, especially in terms of sex change naming.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

never heard of an Aston Martin deed poll….

Kate Heusser
Kate Heusser
1 year ago
Reply to  Edward H

There’s no such thing as ‘the Deed Poll system’ so, no.

Edward H
Edward H
1 year ago

The Deed Poll system and the DBS system aren’t linked‽

Marissa M
Marissa M
1 year ago

Dear god.
Pedophile? Transgender?
Just call him a filthy psychopath and be done with it

Marissa M
Marissa M
1 year ago

Dear god.
Pedophile? Transgender?
Just call him a filthy psychopath and be done with it

David Pogge
David Pogge
1 year ago

This is what you get when you insist that people deny reality. Men are men, and women are women. This is reality. That there are some men who are plagued by the idea or ‘feeling’ that they are really a woman, or women who are troubled by the notion that they are men, is a mental abnormality – a delusional idea. That they suffer from a delusion is a problem. That they should be helped with their problem is quite reasonable and humane. However, pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that the problem is not a problem and reality is not reality does not help the person with the delusion and it forces a falsehood on those who do not have the delusion. Accusing people who hold onto reality of having a ‘phobia’ or of being bigots does not change reality. It is merely a method of trying to threaten or punish them into submission. Until we recognize this, no one will benefit from the strange corner we have painted ourselves into.

David Pogge
David Pogge
1 year ago

This is what you get when you insist that people deny reality. Men are men, and women are women. This is reality. That there are some men who are plagued by the idea or ‘feeling’ that they are really a woman, or women who are troubled by the notion that they are men, is a mental abnormality – a delusional idea. That they suffer from a delusion is a problem. That they should be helped with their problem is quite reasonable and humane. However, pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that the problem is not a problem and reality is not reality does not help the person with the delusion and it forces a falsehood on those who do not have the delusion. Accusing people who hold onto reality of having a ‘phobia’ or of being bigots does not change reality. It is merely a method of trying to threaten or punish them into submission. Until we recognize this, no one will benefit from the strange corner we have painted ourselves into.

Andrew cairns
Andrew cairns
1 year ago

Good luck ceri Lee I hope you achieve everything you can in life and more

Andrew cairns
Andrew cairns
1 year ago

Good luck ceri Lee I hope you achieve everything you can in life and more

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
1 year ago

Majority rights no longer exist. Human rights lawyers and university academics (the long march through the institutions) have perverted, subverted and inverted normality to undermine and destroy western democratic traditions, notably the nuclear family.
The Woking Class rules! And we, the ordinary, decent majority, seem powerless to overthrow it.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Pellatt

Yes, that is exactly what this is all about – an overthrow of human rights for a wholly artificially made-up oppressed group.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Women’s rights.

Sophia Haq
Sophia Haq
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Women’s rights.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Pellatt

Surely by “majority rights” you mean WOMENS RIGHTS. That is what this trans movement is a reaction against. That is what this trans movement is successfully destroying. WOMENS RIGHTS.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Pellatt

Yes, that is exactly what this is all about – an overthrow of human rights for a wholly artificially made-up oppressed group.

Persephone
Persephone
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Pellatt

Surely by “majority rights” you mean WOMENS RIGHTS. That is what this trans movement is a reaction against. That is what this trans movement is successfully destroying. WOMENS RIGHTS.

Julian Pellatt
Julian Pellatt
1 year ago

Majority rights no longer exist. Human rights lawyers and university academics (the long march through the institutions) have perverted, subverted and inverted normality to undermine and destroy western democratic traditions, notably the nuclear family.
The Woking Class rules! And we, the ordinary, decent majority, seem powerless to overthrow it.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

No wonder both the Ancient Greeks and Romans performed all their great athletic events GYMNOS.*

The Romans went even further with their great Baths (Thermae). No chance of ‘gender bending’ here.

Sadly the advent of Semitic Christianity meant the great ‘cover up’, and thus the genesis of the sexually neurotic behaviour that has plagued the Western world ever since.

“Sic Gloria Transit Mundi”.

(*Naked.)

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 year ago

Christianity’s issue here comes from Jesus’ line about ‘if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Hence the paradox that you do not see much guilt about homosexual sex in Arab countries, with flirtation set to stratospheric levels.
They’re scared of societal disapproval, but don’t seem internally crippled by over-analysis of their inclinations.
When Muslims come to the West, that changes. The over-analysis prompted by Christ’s saying became a central tenet of the new religion of Therapy.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
1 year ago

Maybe I need another coffee this morning, but I’m not sure what point you’re making. At least, I very much hope that what I suspect you’re saying is a misunderstanding.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Judy Englander

Well, and to put you out of your misery, my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West, and one from which we have yet to fully recover, as Ms Bindel’s essay so clearly illustrates.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

Didn’t literacy in England and much of northwestern Europe increase only once Charlemagne “pulled a Constantine” several centuries years later and spread Christianity by the sword?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Yes but very slowly, even if you also count the slightly later ‘Gregorian Reforms’.

Thing’s really got going under Luther & Co in the early 16th century.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

I see. Luther’s influence was also related to Gutenberg’s innovation. Bibles in the home seem to represent a societal net negative for you, but they were often the pivotal factor in literacy among peasants or commoners. In the US too, where many pre-Civil War homes had only a Bible and maybe Pilgrim’s Progress.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

“Bibles in the home “ are certainly better than nothing, I must admit.

However that hardly compares to the graffiti from Pompeii and Herculaneum or the Vindolanda tablets for example.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

The Golden Age (of Graffiti). Interesting take.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Or perhaps this Ist century inscription to a wonder-dog named Margarita or Pearl in English.

‘Gaul gave me my birth and the pearl-oyster from the seas full of treasure my name, an honour fitting to my beauty. I was trained to run boldly through strange forests and to hunt out furry wild beasts in the hills never accustomed to be held by heavy chains nor endure cruel beatings on my snow-white body. I used to lie on the soft lap of my master and mistress and knew to go to bed when tired on my spread mattress and I did not speak more than allowed as a dog, given a silent mouth No-one was scared by my barking but now I have been overcome by death from an ill-fated birth and earth has covered me beneath this small piece of marble.’
MARGARITA *

(* Held in the British Museum. Original inscription to be found at
CIL VI/ Inscriptiones urbis Romae Latinae. (29896.)

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AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

That’s pretty cute and memorable. I wish we could actually get the canine’s point of view.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Then Diogenes of Sinope is your man.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

That seems like a bit of a cynical take (sorry).

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

That seems like a bit of a cynical take (sorry).

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Then Diogenes of Sinope is your man.

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago

She sounds like a galgo. They are the kings of hunting dogs.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathan Nash

Thank you, I had never heard of them but they look and sound great.

Next time perhaps!

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathan Nash

Thank you, I had never heard of them but they look and sound great.

Next time perhaps!

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

That’s pretty cute and memorable. I wish we could actually get the canine’s point of view.

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago

She sounds like a galgo. They are the kings of hunting dogs.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Or perhaps this Ist century inscription to a wonder-dog named Margarita or Pearl in English.

‘Gaul gave me my birth and the pearl-oyster from the seas full of treasure my name, an honour fitting to my beauty. I was trained to run boldly through strange forests and to hunt out furry wild beasts in the hills never accustomed to be held by heavy chains nor endure cruel beatings on my snow-white body. I used to lie on the soft lap of my master and mistress and knew to go to bed when tired on my spread mattress and I did not speak more than allowed as a dog, given a silent mouth No-one was scared by my barking but now I have been overcome by death from an ill-fated birth and earth has covered me beneath this small piece of marble.’
MARGARITA *

(* Held in the British Museum. Original inscription to be found at
CIL VI/ Inscriptiones urbis Romae Latinae. (29896.)

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AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

The Golden Age (of Graffiti). Interesting take.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

“Bibles in the home “ are certainly better than nothing, I must admit.

However that hardly compares to the graffiti from Pompeii and Herculaneum or the Vindolanda tablets for example.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

And that was mainly due to people like Caxton getting hold of Chinese printing technology.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

And their reinvention of ‘paper’.

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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

And their reinvention of ‘paper’.

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Studio Largo
Studio Largo
1 year ago

‘s is possessive, not plural.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Studio Largo

Yes, but where exactly did I drop such a b*llock?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Studio Largo

Yes, but where exactly did I drop such a b*llock?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

And what has this to do with the topic?

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

I see. Luther’s influence was also related to Gutenberg’s innovation. Bibles in the home seem to represent a societal net negative for you, but they were often the pivotal factor in literacy among peasants or commoners. In the US too, where many pre-Civil War homes had only a Bible and maybe Pilgrim’s Progress.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

And that was mainly due to people like Caxton getting hold of Chinese printing technology.

Studio Largo
Studio Largo
1 year ago

‘s is possessive, not plural.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

And what has this to do with the topic?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Yes but very slowly, even if you also count the slightly later ‘Gregorian Reforms’.

Thing’s really got going under Luther & Co in the early 16th century.

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

“my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West”

News to me that it was destroyed. For 1500 years the RCC venerated Aristotle to the point that disagreeing with him was heresy — scribes spent most of their time transcribing the ancient Greeks and Romans. Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects in university. Until the dawn of wokeness most Western public buildings were designed to look like Greek temples.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Of course the civilization itself was destroyed, but not without ongoing influence and vital, enduring remnants. Didn’t medieval scribes copy biblical books more often, sometimes erasing or writing over Classical authors? After the revival of the early-Renaissance, weren’t they still engaged largely with copying authors such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, in addition to the Bible–more so than Aristotle or Cicero, etc.?
Las Vegas casinos are made to (crassly) imitate Roman and Egyptian buildings: Does that represent an unbroken continuation of those civilizations?
I don’t mean to dismiss your point concerning the enduring legacy altogether, but I think the scale and details are off the mark.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

The RCC certainly attempted to claim that it was the heir to Rome, but actually was no more than a rather crude veneer.

Attempts to shoehorn Aristotle into Christianity were just ridiculous, even if they did stem from some form of misplaced veneration.

Even the teaching of ‘Greats’ at Oxford had to be accomplished through the miasma of Christianity, and thus was an impossibility, given that Christianity demands ‘faith’ from day one.

Additionally making Greek and Latin mandatory at a University did NOT guarantee any real understanding of Classical Civilisation, but was more of an exercise in ‘clever’ linguistics.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

Boys, please stop showing off and stay on topic.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

New topics emerge as the discussion unfolds and this place is one the few non-dark-web/deep-rabbit-hole spots that’ll let you ramble on. In other words, unless it really matters: Let the boys be boys.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago
Reply to  Clare Knight

New topics emerge as the discussion unfolds and this place is one the few non-dark-web/deep-rabbit-hole spots that’ll let you ramble on. In other words, unless it really matters: Let the boys be boys.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

Boys, please stop showing off and stay on topic.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Of course the civilization itself was destroyed, but not without ongoing influence and vital, enduring remnants. Didn’t medieval scribes copy biblical books more often, sometimes erasing or writing over Classical authors? After the revival of the early-Renaissance, weren’t they still engaged largely with copying authors such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, in addition to the Bible–more so than Aristotle or Cicero, etc.?
Las Vegas casinos are made to (crassly) imitate Roman and Egyptian buildings: Does that represent an unbroken continuation of those civilizations?
I don’t mean to dismiss your point concerning the enduring legacy altogether, but I think the scale and details are off the mark.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

The RCC certainly attempted to claim that it was the heir to Rome, but actually was no more than a rather crude veneer.

Attempts to shoehorn Aristotle into Christianity were just ridiculous, even if they did stem from some form of misplaced veneration.

Even the teaching of ‘Greats’ at Oxford had to be accomplished through the miasma of Christianity, and thus was an impossibility, given that Christianity demands ‘faith’ from day one.

Additionally making Greek and Latin mandatory at a University did NOT guarantee any real understanding of Classical Civilisation, but was more of an exercise in ‘clever’ linguistics.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
1 year ago

Didn’t literacy in England and much of northwestern Europe increase only once Charlemagne “pulled a Constantine” several centuries years later and spread Christianity by the sword?

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

“my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West”

News to me that it was destroyed. For 1500 years the RCC venerated Aristotle to the point that disagreeing with him was heresy — scribes spent most of their time transcribing the ancient Greeks and Romans. Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects in university. Until the dawn of wokeness most Western public buildings were designed to look like Greek temples.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago
Reply to  Judy Englander

Well, and to put you out of your misery, my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West, and one from which we have yet to fully recover, as Ms Bindel’s essay so clearly illustrates.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

The mind boggles at the thought of you shuffling down the high street, naked, Charles.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
1 year ago

Christianity’s issue here comes from Jesus’ line about ‘if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Hence the paradox that you do not see much guilt about homosexual sex in Arab countries, with flirtation set to stratospheric levels.
They’re scared of societal disapproval, but don’t seem internally crippled by over-analysis of their inclinations.
When Muslims come to the West, that changes. The over-analysis prompted by Christ’s saying became a central tenet of the new religion of Therapy.

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
1 year ago

Maybe I need another coffee this morning, but I’m not sure what point you’re making. At least, I very much hope that what I suspect you’re saying is a misunderstanding.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

The mind boggles at the thought of you shuffling down the high street, naked, Charles.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
1 year ago

No wonder both the Ancient Greeks and Romans performed all their great athletic events GYMNOS.*

The Romans went even further with their great Baths (Thermae). No chance of ‘gender bending’ here.

Sadly the advent of Semitic Christianity meant the great ‘cover up’, and thus the genesis of the sexually neurotic behaviour that has plagued the Western world ever since.

“Sic Gloria Transit Mundi”.

(*Naked.)

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Any relation to Ted? I’m suprised the Bundy family are not in US politics?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Any relation to Ted? I’m suprised the Bundy family are not in US politics?

Betsy Warrior
Betsy Warrior
1 year ago

I wish people would stick to the subject instead of using this forum to try to impress others with dubious posturing.
To the point:
I can’t understand why people keep claiming that transcismen, generally, are equally violent to the average male. Yet Transcismen are three times more likely to join the military, apparently seeing organized violence as an answer to national desputes. For such a tiny minority of the population transcismen seem to commit a disproportionate amount of crime. From the evidence it would seem that transcismen are more violent than the average male.

Judy Simpson
Judy Simpson
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Warrior

What are transcismen?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Judy Simpson

Exactly! Yet another one I have to try and figure out.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Judy Simpson

Exactly! Yet another one I have to try and figure out.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Warrior

It’s not “people” who aren’t staying on topic it’s men. You know the old “my brain is bigger than your brain” thing.

Judy Simpson
Judy Simpson
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Warrior

What are transcismen?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Warrior

It’s not “people” who aren’t staying on topic it’s men. You know the old “my brain is bigger than your brain” thing.

Betsy Warrior
Betsy Warrior
1 year ago

I wish people would stick to the subject instead of using this forum to try to impress others with dubious posturing.
To the point:
I can’t understand why people keep claiming that transcismen, generally, are equally violent to the average male. Yet Transcismen are three times more likely to join the military, apparently seeing organized violence as an answer to national desputes. For such a tiny minority of the population transcismen seem to commit a disproportionate amount of crime. From the evidence it would seem that transcismen are more violent than the average male.

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
1 year ago

I thought that Truss blocked thus kind of self-ID in the UK?

S Wilkinson
S Wilkinson
1 year ago

What no-one seems to appreciate is that the Gender Recognition Act (coupled with the Equality Act) effectively IS self id.
Protection is provided from the moment someone declares they are entering or intend to enter the GR process not just from when they receive a Certificate.

S Wilkinson
S Wilkinson
1 year ago

What no-one seems to appreciate is that the Gender Recognition Act (coupled with the Equality Act) effectively IS self id.
Protection is provided from the moment someone declares they are entering or intend to enter the GR process not just from when they receive a Certificate.

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
1 year ago

I thought that Truss blocked thus kind of self-ID in the UK?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

It would seem that the extreme trans problems are in the UK rather than than in the US, which is surprising since the US is a country of extremes. I assume is because the UK is more tolerant.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
1 year ago

It would seem that the extreme trans problems are in the UK rather than than in the US, which is surprising since the US is a country of extremes. I assume is because the UK is more tolerant.