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What I discovered at Twitter HQ Someone had put me on the trends blacklist

"He even made a joke: I could have bought an island with the $44 billion". Photographer: Christopher Pike/Bloomberg via Getty Images

"He even made a joke: I could have bought an island with the $44 billion". Photographer: Christopher Pike/Bloomberg via Getty Images


December 26, 2022   6 mins

One name at the centre of the story about Elon Musk’s “Twitter Files” is that of Jay Bhattacharya. A professor at Stanford’s medical school, he rose to prominence as a co-author of the “Great Barrington Declaration”, which opposed Covid lockdown measures. Last week it emerged that Twitter had placed him on a “trends blacklist” to secretly limit the popularity of his tweets. Following that, Elon Musk contacted Professor Bhattacharya, and invited him in to Twitter HQ to discuss the matter — and view the evidence of his censorship for himself.

He spoke exclusively to Freddie Sayers about that visit, what he and Musk discussed, and the wider implications of his suppression by Twitter.

 

What does being put on the Twitter “trends blacklist” actually mean?

What I understand is that my Twitter messages can reach people who directly follow me. But they have no chance of being put on a broader visibility setting, so that people who don’t follow me would see my messages. So I’m talking to my group, and I think everything’s fine, but my messages have an upper limit on how far and wide they go.

And this all began when you joined Twitter in August 2021, many months after you had signed the “Great Barrington Declaration” speaking against lockdowns and calling for an alternative approach to the pandemic.

That first day in August 2021 when I joined Twitter, apparently Twitter received a number of unspecified complaints about me. It’s not clear, from my time at Twitter headquarters, exactly from who. Their systems are not set up to answer that question very easily, although apparently people are looking into that. And that then induced Twitter to put me on this trends blacklist to make sure that my tweets didn’t reach a broad audience outside of my own network
 It took somebody at Twitter — a human at Twitter had to think about it. The setting was then renewed repeatedly through 2021 and 2022.

Tell us about how Elon Musk got in touch and invited you to visit Twitter HQ.

So I get a Skype message from a common friend, someone who knows Elon and knows me. And it says, “Jay, I have an early Christmas present for you”. And then I’m on a signal group with Elon. And the first message from Elon is just “Hi”. And then he says, “Can you come this weekend to Twitter headquarters so we can show you your files, we can show you what’s what, what exactly Twitter 1.0 did?”

So describe the scene for us: what is Twitter HQ like in this new era?

You walk into Twitter headquarters in San Francisco and it looks like a five star hotel that’s been abandoned. There’s a very fancy restaurant, there’s all kinds of decorations and artwork… But nobody’s there, almost nobody’s there, everything’s empty, except when you go into the engineering area, with all of the cubicles, it’s filled with lots and lots of people trying very hard to make sure Twitter doesn’t explode. It’s Saturday, during the day, and they’re working hard.

You spoke with Elon for almost an hour. How was your conversation?

The topic, of course, was censorship. My sense is that he bought Twitter in part because he is deeply offended by the idea that something like Twitter, which is so important for public communication… had put their thumb on the scale. It wasn’t specifically about Covid. Generally, his sense was that one side of the conversation wasn’t being heard on many, many issues… I think he views this as: he’s in a very privileged position that allows him to restore free speech, allow for free discussion of ideas. And he wants to use what gifts he’s had for that purpose. He even made a joke: I could have bought an island with the $44 billion, but this was a much better use of the money.

Was he a lockdown sceptic during the pandemic?

I think he generally was a lockdown sceptic… He famously, early in the pandemic, protested against being locked down when the shutdown orders came, and then moved Tesla’s headquarters to Texas
 He was very clear that he was aware of the harms of lockdowns. He mentioned the early days of the pandemic — that he had a number of plants in China, with tens of thousands of employees. He said: “Look, if somebody dies in amongst my employees, I find out immediately, because we stop paying them.” But he noticed that there were very, very few deaths on that metric early on. So his view was that it wasn’t clear that the case fatality rate numbers that were coming out matched reality in China itself, even from the earliest days of the pandemic
 Certainly at this point, he was very sympathetic to my message about the harms to the poor of the world threatened by the economic dislocation caused by lockdowns, the closing of schools — all of that I think he opposed.

So then an engineer shows you your files. What did you find out?

An engineer comes to me, we talk in this little cubicle. And so it turns out that there are two major sources of information for the journalists that are looking at this. First, there’s this tool, which Bari Weiss made famous: for each person, they’ll have the status of the person and history of the status of that person… That includes some personal identifying information, which is why you’re not seeing a dump of those files for everybody, because they’re not supposed to share that… I had got permission to look at myself of course. And I asked for permission to look at Martin Kulldorff.

Was Martin Kulldorff also on the Trends Blacklist?

He had been, actually. His first placement on the trends blacklist was in July of 2020, when he was advocating for opening schools
 He told me that what he was doing on Twitter was: whenever someone was mentioning that schools should close, he would post a link to the Swedish study that showed that when schools had opened in spring of 2020, no children had died and very few teachers had gotten sick relative to other workers in the population. He posted over and over and over, he said, and was more active on Twitter than at any other time. That’s exactly when the trends blacklist was applied on him, in July 2020. And then again, three more times in 2022. Although there was no active trends blacklist for Martin at the moment.

Is it still active for you?

It was still active when I was at Twitter. I hope it’s been removed. My tweets seem to go more viral nowadays.

The engineers that were talking you through this, are they part of a minority of engineers that remain and are loyal to the new regime in some way?

The employees that are left are obviously very dedicated to making sure Twitter runs. The particular Twitter engineer that I worked with, he was moved over from Tesla. A number of the deputies of Elon were moved over from Tesla to help fight fires at Twitter
 What they told me is that Elon is there ’til three o’clock at night… The people there are very dedicated to making sure that the site works and runs with a with a different philosophical basis, one of openness tied to free speech rather than suppression of ideas.

Do you think the pandemic response might have gone differently if voices such as yours were not suppressed?

Yes
 I do really believe censorship kills, and censorship killed during this pandemic. The policies could have been so much better
 The policies that were adopted were incredibly damaging to the lives and livelihoods of so many people. 100million people thrown into poverty worldwide: that’s the estimate from the World Bank. Just the consequences of that itself are going to have tremendous effects on the lives and livelihoods of people going forward. And of course, all these children were robbed of an education for years. Those are absolutely monumental outcomes of the policies we adopted during the pandemic, and they should have been freely discussed. My view of the scientific evidence is that it was so clear, even at the time, that we should not have been closing schools. And if we had been allowed to have a free and fair discussion, I think the schools would not have closed — if there hadn’t been this sort of demerit system for people who spoke up against these kinds of policies.

Do you worry that, with Twitter messages like “My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci”, Elon Musk is going too far and will imperil his project?

It’s not what I would do were I in his position. But on the other hand, I don’t have $44 billion to buy the company. The ideal person for this may not exist
 we have to deal with the people we have in front of us. And Elon is, I think, a big step up from the previous ownership, who obviously weren’t that committed to free speech
 I agree that it’s not the wisest use of his power. I think it would have been wiser to be more temperate in talking about, for instance, Tony Fauci. I think that Fauci made tremendous mistakes: he abused his power during the pandemic. And it’s led to a lot of problems. But I think the right redress is not to prosecute him, but for history to remember him having made those mistakes, and that in fact, although he may have committed his life to healing, the prescriptions he gave during the pandemic made the lives of so many people worse. 

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Jay Bhattacharya is a professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

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Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

No. Prosecution is absolutely necessary for Fauci, for the pharmaceutical companies that created the clot shots, for the politicians who perpetrated the murderous lockdowns and vaxx punishments, for the media, which hyped the entire lie, and for everyone top to bottom who censored discussion. No quarter.

Last edited 1 year ago by Allison Barrows
Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago

I was and remain completely against the lockdown, but I have to disagree about prosecution. The guy is just the usual bossy government harridan convinced that we’re all children and have to be controlled from on high for our own good. What we need, though, is a huge investigation of the lockdown of information about different ideas on Covid, including its true death toll, which I believe was exaggerated by at least a third, probably two thirds, at least by half. It goes so much further than just the censorship at Twitter. The news agencies, government bureaucracies, schools and entertainment industry — the usual Woke congregation — were in on it. It was a spectacular demonstration of exactly how authoritarian these people are down to the bones, and this gives us a wonderful opportunity to finally show everyone how they are behind the scenes. Criminality though? I don’t think that applies.

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

You might want to read Robert Kennedy Jnr’s work on Fauci.
He’s not just an authoritarian, he’s a pathological liar and his corrupt connections with Big Pharma alone provide grounds for prosecution.

Last edited 1 year ago by Rocky Martiano
Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Well, if they have evidence of actual corruption they’re welcome to take it before a grand jury. Being wrong, stupid, or even a liar (except in certain cases) aren’t illegal.

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

There’s no lack of evidence and it’s almost certain Fauci will end up before a grand jury at some point. His recent performance before a judge when deposed by two state’s attorney-generals will not have helped his cause. The omniscient Fauci seemed to suffer from a sudden onset of total amnesia.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

The Hillary defense. It’s hard to prove you can remember something, but a very clever attorney might be able to get you to perjure yourself.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

The Hillary defense. It’s hard to prove you can remember something, but a very clever attorney might be able to get you to perjure yourself.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

And perhaps a republican-led House will begin such hearings.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

That’s why he must be prosecuted. He lied to Congress for starters.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

It’s not typical corruption. Fauci gains royalties from the drugs he is involved with. They are uniformly expensive. While being the best compensated fed employee, those monies may (do?) influence his recommendations. I suspect we can’t prosecute for bias unless it can be proved – a very hard task.

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

There’s no lack of evidence and it’s almost certain Fauci will end up before a grand jury at some point. His recent performance before a judge when deposed by two state’s attorney-generals will not have helped his cause. The omniscient Fauci seemed to suffer from a sudden onset of total amnesia.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

And perhaps a republican-led House will begin such hearings.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

That’s why he must be prosecuted. He lied to Congress for starters.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

It’s not typical corruption. Fauci gains royalties from the drugs he is involved with. They are uniformly expensive. While being the best compensated fed employee, those monies may (do?) influence his recommendations. I suspect we can’t prosecute for bias unless it can be proved – a very hard task.

Victoria Chandler
Victoria Chandler
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

I completely agree. I believe that many people were allowed to die rather than use cheap, safe and readily available medications, and they were allowed to die because had those medications been allowed, the need for the ‘vaccines’ would go away, as would the need for Paxlovid, which, while it seems to be effective if taken early on, is vastly more expensive than are the other drugs advocated by many good doctors, but made ridiculously hard to obtain by the cabal of medical ‘experts’ and agencies, led by one Anthony Fauci. All who were complicit in that action should indeed be held to account. I know of two good men in their forties – husbands and fathers – who died of Covid because they were given no help in the early stages of their illnesses. They both suffered horrendous deaths. I’ll never forget that. He and Francis Collins – who referred to Jay Bhattacharya and the other signers of the GBD – as ‘fringe epidemiologists’ have some explaining to do.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Well, if they have evidence of actual corruption they’re welcome to take it before a grand jury. Being wrong, stupid, or even a liar (except in certain cases) aren’t illegal.

Victoria Chandler
Victoria Chandler
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

I completely agree. I believe that many people were allowed to die rather than use cheap, safe and readily available medications, and they were allowed to die because had those medications been allowed, the need for the ‘vaccines’ would go away, as would the need for Paxlovid, which, while it seems to be effective if taken early on, is vastly more expensive than are the other drugs advocated by many good doctors, but made ridiculously hard to obtain by the cabal of medical ‘experts’ and agencies, led by one Anthony Fauci. All who were complicit in that action should indeed be held to account. I know of two good men in their forties – husbands and fathers – who died of Covid because they were given no help in the early stages of their illnesses. They both suffered horrendous deaths. I’ll never forget that. He and Francis Collins – who referred to Jay Bhattacharya and the other signers of the GBD – as ‘fringe epidemiologists’ have some explaining to do.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

AIUI Fauci disobeyed 2 Presidents of the USA about payments to the lab at Wusan. By all means try him but if he is found guilty he should hang (without a sheepshank.)

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

We need another talking shop like we need a hole in the head. All it will achieve is to dissipate public anger and perhaps that’s what it is designed to do, as are most other inquiries. What is needed to effect real change for the future is what Allison called for. A few prosecutions because nothing moderates behaviour better than the prospect of jail time.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The problem is that the individuals we are talking about have no capacity to acknowledge or learn from their mistakes.
Worse they still expect to exercise authority over us and are still in position to do so. What do we do about that? What can we do about that?
If we don’t hound them out they will continue exercise malign authority and the chances are we will live to regret not doing so.

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Was he just ‘following orders’? Ah, that’ll be ok then


Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

He is an evil liar.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

More important, he’s an evil killer. You need to know what he did in 3rd World countries, which are in general ‘under the radar’ of world’s notice in the West.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

More important, he’s an evil killer. You need to know what he did in 3rd World countries, which are in general ‘under the radar’ of world’s notice in the West.

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

What about fauci’s complicity in the setting up of wuhan lab- and then the denial – lying shutdown on discussion about that – damn right he was illegal – if there is no prosecution no one in the future will take heed and such things will happen forever (AS THEY DO). If you are in a position of power and are corrupt in that and know that you might have 10 years in gaol as a consequence you may well stay honest ………….

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

I don’t know if Fauci is guilty or not, or even what he should be prosecuted for. But I consider the legal process of investigation and (if necessary) prosecution to be a less tardy and more open process than some sort of political commission or committee.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Find out! Don’t just say “I don’t know”!
Read RFK, Jr.’s book if you care at all about this issue.
I bought my own copy. I didn’t wait for a library book.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Find out! Don’t just say “I don’t know”!
Read RFK, Jr.’s book if you care at all about this issue.
I bought my own copy. I didn’t wait for a library book.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

What is needed in the wretched UK is an account of where the £39 BILLION went of “Track & Trace” or “Trick & Treat” to use the vernacular.

(Off course for someone of my vintage I would say £39 thousand million, so it doesn’t sound quite so bad!)

(Thank you Guardsman 33 Joy for this information.)

Lesley Keay
Lesley Keay
1 year ago

Not offering any sort of defence for the UK Government, but the ÂŁ39 billion is misleading. It was the total proposed budget until 2023 (yes, the system is still in place and testing is carrying on). More ire needs to be directed at the civil servants and public bodies who had responsibility for not planning properly and then being unable to manage they way out of a wet paper bag. The UK public sector has form over many decades of being incapable of project management, especially around IT procurement and implementation. And a large amount of money was spent on creating the failed Test and Trace IT system. I don’t have much time for Dominic Cummings but he was absolutely correct when he said the Civil Service (and I will include all public sector here) are very good at writing project plans but are absolutely crap at implementing them. And i do, unfortunately speak from experience on this.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Lesley Keay

In South Africa we have a saying – follow the money… we should know. There is ineptitude – but you will also always find corruption.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Lesley Keay

Thank you for that very informative reply.

j watson
j watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Lesley Keay

The problem with this point is the Tories didn’t route the procurement through the usual public bodies, and also put a Tory in charge of T&T. There was a VIP lane for private companies to avoid proper procurement rules. The NHS leadership actually complained about T&T using the NHS logo but were overruled. The private providers wanted that ‘air-cover’ and of course it’s worked to a point as evident from your apportionment of blame. NAO has already indicated cÂŁ14b of fraud and probably an underestimate, but Govt has decided not to spend much time on investigating further. Why? Alot of chums could be identified?
UK Govt got alot wrong during the pandemic. Some probably understandable as no benefit of hindsight at the time. But the Public Inquiry needs to draw out what was a reasonable mistake and what was not so we can learn from it.
My sense is some of the initial actions were too slow and then the first Lockdown probably justifiable. The subsequent Lockdowns much more debatable. The closure of schools in early 21 was a disaster that could have been avoided had we properly planned for the inevitable uptick in Covid.

Last edited 1 year ago by j watson
Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Lesley Keay

In South Africa we have a saying – follow the money… we should know. There is ineptitude – but you will also always find corruption.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Lesley Keay

Thank you for that very informative reply.

j watson
j watson
1 year ago
Reply to  Lesley Keay

The problem with this point is the Tories didn’t route the procurement through the usual public bodies, and also put a Tory in charge of T&T. There was a VIP lane for private companies to avoid proper procurement rules. The NHS leadership actually complained about T&T using the NHS logo but were overruled. The private providers wanted that ‘air-cover’ and of course it’s worked to a point as evident from your apportionment of blame. NAO has already indicated cÂŁ14b of fraud and probably an underestimate, but Govt has decided not to spend much time on investigating further. Why? Alot of chums could be identified?
UK Govt got alot wrong during the pandemic. Some probably understandable as no benefit of hindsight at the time. But the Public Inquiry needs to draw out what was a reasonable mistake and what was not so we can learn from it.
My sense is some of the initial actions were too slow and then the first Lockdown probably justifiable. The subsequent Lockdowns much more debatable. The closure of schools in early 21 was a disaster that could have been avoided had we properly planned for the inevitable uptick in Covid.

Last edited 1 year ago by j watson
Lesley Keay
Lesley Keay
1 year ago

Not offering any sort of defence for the UK Government, but the ÂŁ39 billion is misleading. It was the total proposed budget until 2023 (yes, the system is still in place and testing is carrying on). More ire needs to be directed at the civil servants and public bodies who had responsibility for not planning properly and then being unable to manage they way out of a wet paper bag. The UK public sector has form over many decades of being incapable of project management, especially around IT procurement and implementation. And a large amount of money was spent on creating the failed Test and Trace IT system. I don’t have much time for Dominic Cummings but he was absolutely correct when he said the Civil Service (and I will include all public sector here) are very good at writing project plans but are absolutely crap at implementing them. And i do, unfortunately speak from experience on this.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Daniel read The Real Anthony Fauci and then come back and tell us what you said.

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

You might want to read Robert Kennedy Jnr’s work on Fauci.
He’s not just an authoritarian, he’s a pathological liar and his corrupt connections with Big Pharma alone provide grounds for prosecution.

Last edited 1 year ago by Rocky Martiano
Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

AIUI Fauci disobeyed 2 Presidents of the USA about payments to the lab at Wusan. By all means try him but if he is found guilty he should hang (without a sheepshank.)

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

We need another talking shop like we need a hole in the head. All it will achieve is to dissipate public anger and perhaps that’s what it is designed to do, as are most other inquiries. What is needed to effect real change for the future is what Allison called for. A few prosecutions because nothing moderates behaviour better than the prospect of jail time.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The problem is that the individuals we are talking about have no capacity to acknowledge or learn from their mistakes.
Worse they still expect to exercise authority over us and are still in position to do so. What do we do about that? What can we do about that?
If we don’t hound them out they will continue exercise malign authority and the chances are we will live to regret not doing so.

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Was he just ‘following orders’? Ah, that’ll be ok then


Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

He is an evil liar.

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

What about fauci’s complicity in the setting up of wuhan lab- and then the denial – lying shutdown on discussion about that – damn right he was illegal – if there is no prosecution no one in the future will take heed and such things will happen forever (AS THEY DO). If you are in a position of power and are corrupt in that and know that you might have 10 years in gaol as a consequence you may well stay honest ………….

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

I don’t know if Fauci is guilty or not, or even what he should be prosecuted for. But I consider the legal process of investigation and (if necessary) prosecution to be a less tardy and more open process than some sort of political commission or committee.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

What is needed in the wretched UK is an account of where the £39 BILLION went of “Track & Trace” or “Trick & Treat” to use the vernacular.

(Off course for someone of my vintage I would say £39 thousand million, so it doesn’t sound quite so bad!)

(Thank you Guardsman 33 Joy for this information.)

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Daniel read The Real Anthony Fauci and then come back and tell us what you said.

Fran Martinez
Fran Martinez
1 year ago

Completely agree! Otherwise next time they will KNOW they can get away wit it.
But I so agree that the Musk’s message my hurt more than help.

Rod McLaughlin
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago

Well yeah, but you need a strong legal case…

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

And a strong rope to hang him with.

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

And a strong rope to hang him with.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Not sure about retributive prosecution unless proof exists, but we wonder why people are so evenly divided on virtually every major issue confronting us today. This management manipulation of basic information, leading to division, has been a complete disaster for our society. How can we have a civil discussion about anything if each side is only receiving their half of the story?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Great point. One of the attractions of an Unherd subscription is the wherewithal to engage in civil debate missing from so many other platforms. I can’t help but noticing though, a certain lack of voices from the liberal left. This means one of two things: either they’ve looked at the debates and it’s horrified them to read views (usually pretty well-articulated) which differ from their own, or they’ve not got the necessary tools of language/intellect/courage to engage in an open debate which doesn’t shut down the views they’re used to having shut down.

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I agree. I am sometimes concerned that Unherd is becoming my own echo chamber.

There are occasionally well reasoned arguments from what I think of as an old left perspective, but anything from a progressive perspective is nearly always just trolling or the vitriolic fanaticism displayed under the article about JK Rowling’s women’s centre.

Last edited 1 year ago by Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I agree. I am sometimes concerned that Unherd is becoming my own echo chamber.

There are occasionally well reasoned arguments from what I think of as an old left perspective, but anything from a progressive perspective is nearly always just trolling or the vitriolic fanaticism displayed under the article about JK Rowling’s women’s centre.

Last edited 1 year ago by Martin Bollis
julianne kenny
julianne kenny
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Retributive prosecution.. yes- those historic cases of nazi “collaborators” that have seen semi senile elderly tried and sentenced as evil accomplices when they were simply lowly teenage subordinates of no rank or influence at jewish concentration camps ..a good example of overkill. Life must have felt like a prison camp on some covid isolation cabin colonies. Very sinister . But Fauci also follows orders.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  julianne kenny

“But Fauci also follows orders”. CORRECTION: Fauci gives orders.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  julianne kenny

“But Fauci also follows orders”. CORRECTION: Fauci gives orders.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

BINGO! Warren. And this division is on purpose. Look to Davos. That is where all of the devils dwell.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Great point. One of the attractions of an Unherd subscription is the wherewithal to engage in civil debate missing from so many other platforms. I can’t help but noticing though, a certain lack of voices from the liberal left. This means one of two things: either they’ve looked at the debates and it’s horrified them to read views (usually pretty well-articulated) which differ from their own, or they’ve not got the necessary tools of language/intellect/courage to engage in an open debate which doesn’t shut down the views they’re used to having shut down.

julianne kenny
julianne kenny
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Retributive prosecution.. yes- those historic cases of nazi “collaborators” that have seen semi senile elderly tried and sentenced as evil accomplices when they were simply lowly teenage subordinates of no rank or influence at jewish concentration camps ..a good example of overkill. Life must have felt like a prison camp on some covid isolation cabin colonies. Very sinister . But Fauci also follows orders.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

BINGO! Warren. And this division is on purpose. Look to Davos. That is where all of the devils dwell.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Yes
. Given the comments of millions of people, they still think he is a hero.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

Amen Allison!

Jason Highley
Jason Highley
1 year ago

Correct. Fauci’s attempts to make an end run around gain-of-function research bans in the U.S. led to his partnership with Ecohealth Alliance and the funding of the research in Wuhan that led to the leak of the very virus causing this pandemic. For him to hide behind a veneer of public service when he is complicit in the origins of COVID is grotesque.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago

I was and remain completely against the lockdown, but I have to disagree about prosecution. The guy is just the usual bossy government harridan convinced that we’re all children and have to be controlled from on high for our own good. What we need, though, is a huge investigation of the lockdown of information about different ideas on Covid, including its true death toll, which I believe was exaggerated by at least a third, probably two thirds, at least by half. It goes so much further than just the censorship at Twitter. The news agencies, government bureaucracies, schools and entertainment industry — the usual Woke congregation — were in on it. It was a spectacular demonstration of exactly how authoritarian these people are down to the bones, and this gives us a wonderful opportunity to finally show everyone how they are behind the scenes. Criminality though? I don’t think that applies.

Fran Martinez
Fran Martinez
1 year ago

Completely agree! Otherwise next time they will KNOW they can get away wit it.
But I so agree that the Musk’s message my hurt more than help.

Rod McLaughlin
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago

Well yeah, but you need a strong legal case…

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Not sure about retributive prosecution unless proof exists, but we wonder why people are so evenly divided on virtually every major issue confronting us today. This management manipulation of basic information, leading to division, has been a complete disaster for our society. How can we have a civil discussion about anything if each side is only receiving their half of the story?

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Yes
. Given the comments of millions of people, they still think he is a hero.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

Amen Allison!

Jason Highley
Jason Highley
1 year ago

Correct. Fauci’s attempts to make an end run around gain-of-function research bans in the U.S. led to his partnership with Ecohealth Alliance and the funding of the research in Wuhan that led to the leak of the very virus causing this pandemic. For him to hide behind a veneer of public service when he is complicit in the origins of COVID is grotesque.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

No. Prosecution is absolutely necessary for Fauci, for the pharmaceutical companies that created the clot shots, for the politicians who perpetrated the murderous lockdowns and vaxx punishments, for the media, which hyped the entire lie, and for everyone top to bottom who censored discussion. No quarter.

Last edited 1 year ago by Allison Barrows
Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

What would the world be without the genius mavericks? I certainly hope that the bold disruptor will succeed
. If only we had more of him.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

Yea, Musk is going good (If he is really giving out the read dirt, no knowing if he holds back the real smoking gun with actual fingerprints on it.)

Basically Twitter is a Intelligence created and owned tool (5 eyes, CIA, DHS, MI5, FBI and lots we never heard of are the power behind the anti_West Democrats and Social Media) – to manipulate and monitor the world, (they get so see all the private twitters – the real goods, that way. They get to drive agendas)

Musk likely will keep most the smoking guns locked up – but let us see a couple of them. (Epstein was a modle every one noticed – like John McAfee ‘I will not commit suicide)

But mostly Musk is back in his Dr Evil Lab sticking chips into monkey’s brains to create a cyborg – they all die from the process so far, but not before they are showing it works. That the human mind can be linked to the internet and AI is almost ready to be shown. And making AI to pretty much destroy humanity when it goes loose.

He released the AI writing program talked of here…scary stuff, and just incancy

All of that is pretty much 100% out of the Book of Revelations 13:16, and he is a huge Transhumanist like Yuval Noah Harari , and that is pretty much Satanism…. But I guess Musk may think – better him figure out the process than someone else. Not that I really think so – to me it is taking the cork out of the Geni Bottle, opening Pandora’s box, and from it come the horrors…

And yes – Nurnburg trials and life behind bars for all who were instrumental in the vax and lockdown crime against humanity.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

If you really did the homework on this you will find that Musk warned all and sundry (including Obama and his government) about the dangers of AI. No one listened and the horse has bolted. The only thing that remains is to mitigate risk against the machines taking total control.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

Let me debunk. I can’t stop myself.
Mcafee was attempting to create the ghost crypto currency and phone network, fringe theories abound with mcafee. You seem to have eaten too many. That la apartment was one of the favourites, musk is a new one to me.

https://news.bitcoin.com/john-mcafee-ghost-crypto-project-fail/

Second, mcafee and musk interact on twitter, very interesting, seems they have the same opinion, no ‘smoking gun’ here:
https://decrypt.co/26779/elon-musk-and-john-mcafee-our-democracy-has-been-hacked

Musk is not the only person working AI. Google deep mind, Microsoft, IBM etcetc Google throws up a company called Data robot top spot, there’s loads of big tech at it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jilliandonfro/2019/09/17/ai-50-americas-most-promising-artificial-intelligence-companies/

You crash through conspiracies faster than Alex jones. Even got Harari and revelations 13:16 in too. Inclusive. Impressive.

Last edited 1 year ago by B Emery
Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

If you really did the homework on this you will find that Musk warned all and sundry (including Obama and his government) about the dangers of AI. No one listened and the horse has bolted. The only thing that remains is to mitigate risk against the machines taking total control.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

Let me debunk. I can’t stop myself.
Mcafee was attempting to create the ghost crypto currency and phone network, fringe theories abound with mcafee. You seem to have eaten too many. That la apartment was one of the favourites, musk is a new one to me.

https://news.bitcoin.com/john-mcafee-ghost-crypto-project-fail/

Second, mcafee and musk interact on twitter, very interesting, seems they have the same opinion, no ‘smoking gun’ here:
https://decrypt.co/26779/elon-musk-and-john-mcafee-our-democracy-has-been-hacked

Musk is not the only person working AI. Google deep mind, Microsoft, IBM etcetc Google throws up a company called Data robot top spot, there’s loads of big tech at it.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jilliandonfro/2019/09/17/ai-50-americas-most-promising-artificial-intelligence-companies/

You crash through conspiracies faster than Alex jones. Even got Harari and revelations 13:16 in too. Inclusive. Impressive.

Last edited 1 year ago by B Emery
Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

Yea, Musk is going good (If he is really giving out the read dirt, no knowing if he holds back the real smoking gun with actual fingerprints on it.)

Basically Twitter is a Intelligence created and owned tool (5 eyes, CIA, DHS, MI5, FBI and lots we never heard of are the power behind the anti_West Democrats and Social Media) – to manipulate and monitor the world, (they get so see all the private twitters – the real goods, that way. They get to drive agendas)

Musk likely will keep most the smoking guns locked up – but let us see a couple of them. (Epstein was a modle every one noticed – like John McAfee ‘I will not commit suicide)

But mostly Musk is back in his Dr Evil Lab sticking chips into monkey’s brains to create a cyborg – they all die from the process so far, but not before they are showing it works. That the human mind can be linked to the internet and AI is almost ready to be shown. And making AI to pretty much destroy humanity when it goes loose.

He released the AI writing program talked of here…scary stuff, and just incancy

All of that is pretty much 100% out of the Book of Revelations 13:16, and he is a huge Transhumanist like Yuval Noah Harari , and that is pretty much Satanism…. But I guess Musk may think – better him figure out the process than someone else. Not that I really think so – to me it is taking the cork out of the Geni Bottle, opening Pandora’s box, and from it come the horrors…

And yes – Nurnburg trials and life behind bars for all who were instrumental in the vax and lockdown crime against humanity.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

What would the world be without the genius mavericks? I certainly hope that the bold disruptor will succeed
. If only we had more of him.

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago

Musk is probably our best hope for preserving a global space for free speech in this increasingly dystopian world. Yes, he will get it wrong sometimes, but with $44bn of his own money at stake he will not back off from a fight.
Since Edward Snowden revealed the cosy relationship between Deep State and Big Tech, no other platform has had the courage to take a stand against censorship and surveillance. In fact, they are up to their necks in it.
My money’s on Musk.

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Me too, altho I’ve never had Twitter account.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

If you recall Mary’s article on Caesarism and Swarmism With Elong as the Caesar, and – say -Twitter and Bidenism being forms of Swarminsm.

I was exceedingly disappointed with this interview. Suc*ed really, and especially at the end where Freddy made Bratacharia absolve Fuci in his on boarding the legitimacy of Swarmism….The whole bit of everyone means well, but just get carried away with the group enthusiasm… NO The swarmism is CREATED agenda consensus, it is a Weapon!, and Fauchi was the dark wef Caesar’s tool creating the consensus of evil… But whatever.. Unherd has its teething problems.. This talk was being Youtube Friendly – and so was nothing.

This is the Program to watch to take in the above talk – Dr Malone, the world’s top episemonologist, vaccinologist, major Bio-Defence Contractor who knows what the spooks are up to in their caves…And he loved Mary’s stuff, mentioned Unherd… I wonder what he makes of my comments…..

He says this Covid-19, global response, was 5Th Generation Warfare. As an unvaccinated, never masker, conspiracy loon who has seen a lot of the world, I saw all this from the start – and the amazing talk I will link to ends which Dr Malone quoting from ‘Unherd’ and Mary’s Article – he reads this as the gist of how this weapon works….

Cannot tell you enough, if you wish to really get some feel for the truth of all this, Watch my link to Dr Malone – He will show Twitter and Social media are built and used as WEAPONS. They are created weapons of the Deep State/Blob/security State. Not just social media for keeping up with college friends – but Weapons.

Anyway – the scientist who created mRNA technology, Dr Malone, will explain to all you little rabbits what the truth is, if you can take a bit of time and watch you may begin to ‘Get’ what just happened these last three years –

https://rumble.com/v20zrv4-robert-malone-at-truth-or-consequences-vatp-summit.html

Brian Burnell
Brian Burnell
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Me too, altho I’ve never had Twitter account.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

If you recall Mary’s article on Caesarism and Swarmism With Elong as the Caesar, and – say -Twitter and Bidenism being forms of Swarminsm.

I was exceedingly disappointed with this interview. Suc*ed really, and especially at the end where Freddy made Bratacharia absolve Fuci in his on boarding the legitimacy of Swarmism….The whole bit of everyone means well, but just get carried away with the group enthusiasm… NO The swarmism is CREATED agenda consensus, it is a Weapon!, and Fauchi was the dark wef Caesar’s tool creating the consensus of evil… But whatever.. Unherd has its teething problems.. This talk was being Youtube Friendly – and so was nothing.

This is the Program to watch to take in the above talk – Dr Malone, the world’s top episemonologist, vaccinologist, major Bio-Defence Contractor who knows what the spooks are up to in their caves…And he loved Mary’s stuff, mentioned Unherd… I wonder what he makes of my comments…..

He says this Covid-19, global response, was 5Th Generation Warfare. As an unvaccinated, never masker, conspiracy loon who has seen a lot of the world, I saw all this from the start – and the amazing talk I will link to ends which Dr Malone quoting from ‘Unherd’ and Mary’s Article – he reads this as the gist of how this weapon works….

Cannot tell you enough, if you wish to really get some feel for the truth of all this, Watch my link to Dr Malone – He will show Twitter and Social media are built and used as WEAPONS. They are created weapons of the Deep State/Blob/security State. Not just social media for keeping up with college friends – but Weapons.

Anyway – the scientist who created mRNA technology, Dr Malone, will explain to all you little rabbits what the truth is, if you can take a bit of time and watch you may begin to ‘Get’ what just happened these last three years –

https://rumble.com/v20zrv4-robert-malone-at-truth-or-consequences-vatp-summit.html

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago

Musk is probably our best hope for preserving a global space for free speech in this increasingly dystopian world. Yes, he will get it wrong sometimes, but with $44bn of his own money at stake he will not back off from a fight.
Since Edward Snowden revealed the cosy relationship between Deep State and Big Tech, no other platform has had the courage to take a stand against censorship and surveillance. In fact, they are up to their necks in it.
My money’s on Musk.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 year ago

Fauci had skln in the game though. He was involved with gain of function from years back.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

Exactly. He was acting to protect his reputation and prevent the disclosure of his role in funding the Wuhan lab that spilled the virus. He is evil.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

Freddy is leading the witness…

Getting this Man to side with his agenda of protecting Fauci

Freddy and Bhattacharya are totally wrong about this

Bhattacharya said Hundreds of Millions! Hundreds of Millions! have been reduced to abject Poverty by this criminal covid response – and so many more, a Billion likely, to soon join them, and millions of starving soon and millions killed and damaged by blocking early treatments and promoting the vax.

Try them for ever bit of suffering. Criminally prosecute to the max – them civilly prosecute every one who was part of this monstrous crime against humanity till everything they own is taken –

REDUCE THEM TO POVERTY as they did these hundreds of millions.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

Exactly. He was acting to protect his reputation and prevent the disclosure of his role in funding the Wuhan lab that spilled the virus. He is evil.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

Freddy is leading the witness…

Getting this Man to side with his agenda of protecting Fauci

Freddy and Bhattacharya are totally wrong about this

Bhattacharya said Hundreds of Millions! Hundreds of Millions! have been reduced to abject Poverty by this criminal covid response – and so many more, a Billion likely, to soon join them, and millions of starving soon and millions killed and damaged by blocking early treatments and promoting the vax.

Try them for ever bit of suffering. Criminally prosecute to the max – them civilly prosecute every one who was part of this monstrous crime against humanity till everything they own is taken –

REDUCE THEM TO POVERTY as they did these hundreds of millions.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
1 year ago

Fauci had skln in the game though. He was involved with gain of function from years back.

FacRecte NilTime
FacRecte NilTime
1 year ago

It’s so important that we learn the lessons from how the pandemic was handled. The ease with which fundamental freedoms were discarded, at such human cost, by people and institutions that doubtless believed at the time that they were doing the right thing and that this allowed them to set themselves above anyone who disagreed and to suppress other views. The sheer arrogance of it all. So dangerous.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago

The Trusted News Initiative never allowed any counters to the dogma. We have been poorly treated by our media and our leaders. It does give you pause to consider how easily fear conquered human urge for freedom. People have fought for those freedoms but our masses accepted restrictions out of fear. Not a good thing to ponder.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

Every one who contributed to this ‘reign of terror’ and orgy of death and destruction we call the covid response – they need to be made liable to be sued for monetary damages from every child who lost education, every one who lost their job, and on and on – Millions of these Blackshirts who violated the rights of the citizens – sue them all.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago

The Trusted News Initiative never allowed any counters to the dogma. We have been poorly treated by our media and our leaders. It does give you pause to consider how easily fear conquered human urge for freedom. People have fought for those freedoms but our masses accepted restrictions out of fear. Not a good thing to ponder.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

Every one who contributed to this ‘reign of terror’ and orgy of death and destruction we call the covid response – they need to be made liable to be sued for monetary damages from every child who lost education, every one who lost their job, and on and on – Millions of these Blackshirts who violated the rights of the citizens – sue them all.

FacRecte NilTime
FacRecte NilTime
1 year ago

It’s so important that we learn the lessons from how the pandemic was handled. The ease with which fundamental freedoms were discarded, at such human cost, by people and institutions that doubtless believed at the time that they were doing the right thing and that this allowed them to set themselves above anyone who disagreed and to suppress other views. The sheer arrogance of it all. So dangerous.

Keith Dudleston
Keith Dudleston
1 year ago

I think the only way any “truth” will be accepted by the majority of the population if for some of the main players to be asked to give evidence in public under oath. Why was it said the lab leak theory was a “conspiracy theory”, why was “asymptomatic transmission” accepted as clinically important, why we’re PCR tests
used as a screening tests, why was the policy on masking changed at the last minute?

We need to know why the policy ended up as it did.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Truth has become relative, so it doesn’t matter anymore. If a man can be a woman simply because he believes so, and our government declares it so, then truth doesn’t matter.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Truth has become relative, so it doesn’t matter anymore. If a man can be a woman simply because he believes so, and our government declares it so, then truth doesn’t matter.

Keith Dudleston
Keith Dudleston
1 year ago

I think the only way any “truth” will be accepted by the majority of the population if for some of the main players to be asked to give evidence in public under oath. Why was it said the lab leak theory was a “conspiracy theory”, why was “asymptomatic transmission” accepted as clinically important, why we’re PCR tests
used as a screening tests, why was the policy on masking changed at the last minute?

We need to know why the policy ended up as it did.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

I see my comment is now awaiting for approval. I presume there are other comments that are in the same boat. I have repeatedly suggested an article be commissioned regarding the monitoring practices on Unherd so that suggestions might be made to improve the position and discuss the pressures and limitations Unherd faces in this area and what might be done about them. Unfortunately, while happy to discuss censorship on Twitter and other media Unherd are oddly reluctant to discuss their own approach. As readers we are likely to be sympathetic and supportive provided we know exactly why Unherd are adopting the measures they do to deal with comments. Come on Unherd let us behind the curtain!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

With you 100% on this. Yesterday afternoon for instance (UK time) i wrote comments on two The Post topics. Both went into Awaiting Approval then disappeared. One eventually emerged but the other didn’t. They were written about 10 minutes apart, neither controversial. No comments from anyone appeared for about 3 or 4 hours.
My conclusion here is that Unherd aren’t fully in control of the software that runs their platform. While hugely appreciative of their ethos, they’re running the risk of alienating subscribers who expect far better than this.
As you say, sharing – where possible – some of the issues they’re faced with from an Admin perspective would go a long way towards helping here. And those areas where it’s not possible to discuss should at least be flagged. Now that truly would be Unherd of.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I am convinced that all someone has to do is flag one of your responses and you are immediately put on the wait for approval list.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

I have spoken to UnHerd about this and they said it looks like someone was flagging my comments and they’ll keep an eye on it. But if it’s happening often then I imagine it takes time to keep on top of it.
Edit: actually it can’t just be flagging because things I put up disappear immediately,

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Andrew F
Andrew F
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

The case with me. I think if someone flags your comments on particular topic, your subsequent comments go straight away to “awaiting approval” dustbin.

Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

I’ve had the same thing happen to me a few days ago. I had posted a comment, which included a link. The comment immediately went to “awaiting approval” status as did a subsequent comment without a link. Both were later approved.

Andrew F
Andrew F
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

The case with me. I think if someone flags your comments on particular topic, your subsequent comments go straight away to “awaiting approval” dustbin.

Katja Sipple
Katja Sipple
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

I’ve had the same thing happen to me a few days ago. I had posted a comment, which included a link. The comment immediately went to “awaiting approval” status as did a subsequent comment without a link. Both were later approved.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

I have spoken to UnHerd about this and they said it looks like someone was flagging my comments and they’ll keep an eye on it. But if it’s happening often then I imagine it takes time to keep on top of it.
Edit: actually it can’t just be flagging because things I put up disappear immediately,

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

There is definitely something going on. I commented twice yesterday on the This is the end of Trump article. Both comments were present for several hours: today, they show up under My Account > My Comments, but clicking the ‘Go to the comment’ links therein navigates to the top of the article page, where not only are my comments missing, but the comments to which I was replying (posted by Rasmus Fogh) have also disappeared.
My comments (questioning Joe Biden’s truthfulness and competence) included information widely available on the web, and were no more critical or libellous than many which remain under the article. I’ll be interested to see how things develop, as I’m not paying fifty quid a year to have my point of view censored.
Edit (1 hour later): the plot thickens. I went to The Wayback Machine (the internet archive site), and yesterday afternoon’s version of the article includes all the comments referenced above. Revisiting the article again on Unherd, they are also back again. What the hell is going on?!

Last edited 1 year ago by Pat Rowles
Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Replied to this the other day. The comment has gone completely.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

With you 100% on this. Yesterday afternoon for instance (UK time) i wrote comments on two The Post topics. Both went into Awaiting Approval then disappeared. One eventually emerged but the other didn’t. They were written about 10 minutes apart, neither controversial. No comments from anyone appeared for about 3 or 4 hours.
My conclusion here is that Unherd aren’t fully in control of the software that runs their platform. While hugely appreciative of their ethos, they’re running the risk of alienating subscribers who expect far better than this.
As you say, sharing – where possible – some of the issues they’re faced with from an Admin perspective would go a long way towards helping here. And those areas where it’s not possible to discuss should at least be flagged. Now that truly would be Unherd of.

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I am convinced that all someone has to do is flag one of your responses and you are immediately put on the wait for approval list.

Pat Rowles
Pat Rowles
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

There is definitely something going on. I commented twice yesterday on the This is the end of Trump article. Both comments were present for several hours: today, they show up under My Account > My Comments, but clicking the ‘Go to the comment’ links therein navigates to the top of the article page, where not only are my comments missing, but the comments to which I was replying (posted by Rasmus Fogh) have also disappeared.
My comments (questioning Joe Biden’s truthfulness and competence) included information widely available on the web, and were no more critical or libellous than many which remain under the article. I’ll be interested to see how things develop, as I’m not paying fifty quid a year to have my point of view censored.
Edit (1 hour later): the plot thickens. I went to The Wayback Machine (the internet archive site), and yesterday afternoon’s version of the article includes all the comments referenced above. Revisiting the article again on Unherd, they are also back again. What the hell is going on?!

Last edited 1 year ago by Pat Rowles
Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Replied to this the other day. The comment has gone completely.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

I see my comment is now awaiting for approval. I presume there are other comments that are in the same boat. I have repeatedly suggested an article be commissioned regarding the monitoring practices on Unherd so that suggestions might be made to improve the position and discuss the pressures and limitations Unherd faces in this area and what might be done about them. Unfortunately, while happy to discuss censorship on Twitter and other media Unherd are oddly reluctant to discuss their own approach. As readers we are likely to be sympathetic and supportive provided we know exactly why Unherd are adopting the measures they do to deal with comments. Come on Unherd let us behind the curtain!

Mark epperson
Mark epperson
1 year ago

Ms Burrows raises an important issue. There should be criminal prosecutions for any bureaucrat who tried to cover up or flat-out lied. If criminal prosecutions for politicians are untenable, Civil suits, massive ones, should be brought against EVERY politician who was complicit in these lockdowns. Start with Cuomo in New York and extend them to the County and City level.
These folks not only ruined lives but they have blood on their hands and need to be held accountable. All of them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mark epperson
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark epperson

We have devolved into an era where that will be impossible. I witnessed a school board member yesterday declaring during a meeting that her Twitter post, which were simply re-printed on signboards behind her, were not an accurate representation of what she posted. If what you type in a Twitter post is not an accurate representation of what you said, then what on earth would be?

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark epperson

We have devolved into an era where that will be impossible. I witnessed a school board member yesterday declaring during a meeting that her Twitter post, which were simply re-printed on signboards behind her, were not an accurate representation of what she posted. If what you type in a Twitter post is not an accurate representation of what you said, then what on earth would be?

Mark epperson
Mark epperson
1 year ago

Ms Burrows raises an important issue. There should be criminal prosecutions for any bureaucrat who tried to cover up or flat-out lied. If criminal prosecutions for politicians are untenable, Civil suits, massive ones, should be brought against EVERY politician who was complicit in these lockdowns. Start with Cuomo in New York and extend them to the County and City level.
These folks not only ruined lives but they have blood on their hands and need to be held accountable. All of them.

Last edited 1 year ago by Mark epperson
Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

I see the same is happening with Global Warming.. Scientists who are sceptical about the cause of Global Warming are censored and the ones, who accept the theory that man is a contributor to Global Warming, but come up with different/ realistic solutions to activists, face abuse by politicians, media, corporations and “public policy gurus”. In the meantime the world population will be thrown into poverty, and the West with its successful free market economy will be slowly deindustrialised with policies of pie in the sky, inefficient, expensive energy sources.

Last edited 1 year ago by Stephanie Surface
F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

Yeah Stephanie, that is a big one. Thru that lie they are closing down farmers in The Netherlands, getting European gov’ts to close down nuclear power plants, coal plants, etc and relying on solar, outlawing internal combustion engines (you can buy an electric if you can afford it), etc. It’s just another way to achieve serfdom for the masses, the “useless eaters”.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

Yeah Stephanie, that is a big one. Thru that lie they are closing down farmers in The Netherlands, getting European gov’ts to close down nuclear power plants, coal plants, etc and relying on solar, outlawing internal combustion engines (you can buy an electric if you can afford it), etc. It’s just another way to achieve serfdom for the masses, the “useless eaters”.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago

I see the same is happening with Global Warming.. Scientists who are sceptical about the cause of Global Warming are censored and the ones, who accept the theory that man is a contributor to Global Warming, but come up with different/ realistic solutions to activists, face abuse by politicians, media, corporations and “public policy gurus”. In the meantime the world population will be thrown into poverty, and the West with its successful free market economy will be slowly deindustrialised with policies of pie in the sky, inefficient, expensive energy sources.

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Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago

Twitter has become a battlefield, with those who owned the territory, or thought they owned the territory, doing their best to drive it into the ground. That may be having the opposite effect; only time will tell.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago

Peter Thiel was also a hero when he ‘whacked’ Gawker.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago

Peter Thiel was also a hero when he ‘whacked’ Gawker.

Dermot O'Sullivan
Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago

Twitter has become a battlefield, with those who owned the territory, or thought they owned the territory, doing their best to drive it into the ground. That may be having the opposite effect; only time will tell.

Greg La Cock
Greg La Cock
1 year ago

Did American Journalists Try To Facilitate Assassination of Elon Musk?
 Imagine you have an audience of like-minded followers. Imagine there is a guy out there that you don’t like. Now imagine telling your audience how to track this ‘enemy’ so they know where he is in real time.
Why would you do this? What possible intent could there be in such an action?
A reasonable man would quickly assume there is no good intended in such an action. And if there is no good intent, there must be malicious or even evil intent. After all, what possible reason would you have in opening your Twitter account and publishing the real time whereabouts of someone you don’t like to a group of other people who feel similarly.
Elon Musk has been doxed by a group of American journalists who, it would seem, were hoping some anonymous ‘freelancer’ would cause him some harm. They spread details of how to track him via their Twitter accounts. He has responded by suspending their accounts. Obviously.
This begs the question: Is that It? Your only sanction for publishing ‘assassination coordinates’ is that your twitter account is suspended? Surely they must lose their jobs? And the media they represent? 

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Greg La Cock

There is an analogy with what Trump is being accused of in the Jan 6th riot. He didn’t actually tell them to riot. He led them right up to the idea and then stopped short of it. DOXing people you don’t like is similar in a way.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

Rather than follow the legal remedy proposed to Trump by Flynn, Powell and Byrne in Dec. 2020 to attack the vote fraud, Trump goes and requests that his followers go to D.C. on January 6th for a rally, and write, and I quote, “It will be wild!”. What did he mean by that? I supported DJT but no longer. Even I was taken in…for a while.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

Rather than follow the legal remedy proposed to Trump by Flynn, Powell and Byrne in Dec. 2020 to attack the vote fraud, Trump goes and requests that his followers go to D.C. on January 6th for a rally, and write, and I quote, “It will be wild!”. What did he mean by that? I supported DJT but no longer. Even I was taken in…for a while.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago
Reply to  Greg La Cock

There is an analogy with what Trump is being accused of in the Jan 6th riot. He didn’t actually tell them to riot. He led them right up to the idea and then stopped short of it. DOXing people you don’t like is similar in a way.

Greg La Cock
Greg La Cock
1 year ago

Did American Journalists Try To Facilitate Assassination of Elon Musk?
 Imagine you have an audience of like-minded followers. Imagine there is a guy out there that you don’t like. Now imagine telling your audience how to track this ‘enemy’ so they know where he is in real time.
Why would you do this? What possible intent could there be in such an action?
A reasonable man would quickly assume there is no good intended in such an action. And if there is no good intent, there must be malicious or even evil intent. After all, what possible reason would you have in opening your Twitter account and publishing the real time whereabouts of someone you don’t like to a group of other people who feel similarly.
Elon Musk has been doxed by a group of American journalists who, it would seem, were hoping some anonymous ‘freelancer’ would cause him some harm. They spread details of how to track him via their Twitter accounts. He has responded by suspending their accounts. Obviously.
This begs the question: Is that It? Your only sanction for publishing ‘assassination coordinates’ is that your twitter account is suspended? Surely they must lose their jobs? And the media they represent? 

Rod McLaughlin
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago

These words from Yeats will be inscribed on the graves of Jay, Elon, and many others:

Imitate him if you dare,
World-besotted traveller; he
Served human liberty.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

I would more say of Musk – Yeats poem, Second Coming, what creature slouches to Bethlehem to be born

The way he is trying to make AI and humans one with his Nuralink chip implants.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

Please read my read my reply to you above. He was against unfettered AI and no-one would listen.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

Please read my read my reply to you above. He was against unfettered AI and no-one would listen.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

I would more say of Musk – Yeats poem, Second Coming, what creature slouches to Bethlehem to be born

The way he is trying to make AI and humans one with his Nuralink chip implants.

Rod McLaughlin
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago

These words from Yeats will be inscribed on the graves of Jay, Elon, and many others:

Imitate him if you dare,
World-besotted traveller; he
Served human liberty.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

To be placed on a “trends black list” simply for advancing perfectly rational arguments against the official line is a disgraceful example of secretly limiting the influence of valid points of view. It enables free speech but muffles those that adopt a line that Twitter regarded as deviant despite having no expertise in the subjects that they chose to limit the extent of discussion on.
They limited free discussion that might have resulted in improved policy decisions not only in respect of the response to covid but many other matters we are unaware of. A disgraceful abuse of power.
It is indeed fortunate that Elon Musk intends to end this malign regime of undercover suppression of alternative points of view.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

To be placed on a “trends black list” simply for advancing perfectly rational arguments against the official line is a disgraceful example of secretly limiting the influence of valid points of view. It enables free speech but muffles those that adopt a line that Twitter regarded as deviant despite having no expertise in the subjects that they chose to limit the extent of discussion on.
They limited free discussion that might have resulted in improved policy decisions not only in respect of the response to covid but many other matters we are unaware of. A disgraceful abuse of power.
It is indeed fortunate that Elon Musk intends to end this malign regime of undercover suppression of alternative points of view.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

Doesn’t matter what the Government might have said. In the UK, at least, the teaching unions would have made sure the schools closed and stayed closed.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
1 year ago

Doesn’t matter what the Government might have said. In the UK, at least, the teaching unions would have made sure the schools closed and stayed closed.

Paula Adams
Paula Adams
1 year ago

The government is not going to punish themselves.

Paula Adams
Paula Adams
1 year ago

The government is not going to punish themselves.

Deborah Mac Manes
Deborah Mac Manes
1 year ago

How many family members and/or friends did you lose to COVID-19 or the (EUA) shot, Professor? Where is your compassion and anger for the millions of adults, children, and innocent puppies who were, forcibly, tortured and murdered in trials with the bio weaponized shot; all of which Fauci was involved?! Fauci, NIH, Wuhan lab, Big Pharma, WHO, CDC, FDA, WEF, MSM, and our own government need to be held accountable for breaking the Nuremberg Code and treasonous acts with the maximum penalty!

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Deborah Mac Manes
Deborah Mac Manes
1 year ago

How many family members and/or friends did you lose to COVID-19 or the (EUA) shot, Professor? Where is your compassion and anger for the millions of adults, children, and innocent puppies who were, forcibly, tortured and murdered in trials with the bio weaponized shot; all of which Fauci was involved?! Fauci, NIH, Wuhan lab, Big Pharma, WHO, CDC, FDA, WEF, MSM, and our own government need to be held accountable for breaking the Nuremberg Code and treasonous acts with the maximum penalty!

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Andrew S
Andrew S
1 year ago

What an informative and useful interview. I have the following observations to make:

1 “public health” did not “allow” itself top become politicised, it sought that. Having done so the whole sector must be held to account for the errors and the culture of left of centre politics there needs to be broken.

2 Congress should hold investigations into all this. The bad science, the propaganda, the relationship with social media and it must find out who drove this. At the least such people must be held to account. I think they should be fired with prejudice.
Fauci can’t now be fired because he has decided to resign. That should not stop naming and shaming.
If the health establishment and others in the Administration exceeded their legal powers, mislead Congress and the public then serious career changing decisions must be taken. If not, they and their kind will do it again, perhaps in other spheres of government, and the swamp, the blob or whatever you want to call it will have an unelected dictatorship all to itself.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew S

You presume the Congress is honest and will investigate these bad actors. Hello?

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew S

You presume the Congress is honest and will investigate these bad actors. Hello?

Andrew S
Andrew S
1 year ago

What an informative and useful interview. I have the following observations to make:

1 “public health” did not “allow” itself top become politicised, it sought that. Having done so the whole sector must be held to account for the errors and the culture of left of centre politics there needs to be broken.

2 Congress should hold investigations into all this. The bad science, the propaganda, the relationship with social media and it must find out who drove this. At the least such people must be held to account. I think they should be fired with prejudice.
Fauci can’t now be fired because he has decided to resign. That should not stop naming and shaming.
If the health establishment and others in the Administration exceeded their legal powers, mislead Congress and the public then serious career changing decisions must be taken. If not, they and their kind will do it again, perhaps in other spheres of government, and the swamp, the blob or whatever you want to call it will have an unelected dictatorship all to itself.

Lillian Fry
Lillian Fry
1 year ago

When I selected this interview, a little message popped up recommending I visit the CDC for covid information. So you must have some kind of strike against you somewhere.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Lillian Fry

Because the interview was published on uTube, I went to the little banner saying “why are you seeing this?”

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Lillian Fry

Because the interview was published on uTube, I went to the little banner saying “why are you seeing this?”

Lillian Fry
Lillian Fry
1 year ago

When I selected this interview, a little message popped up recommending I visit the CDC for covid information. So you must have some kind of strike against you somewhere.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

“The guy is just the usual bossy government harridan convinced that we’re all children and have to be controlled from on high for our own good”. WRONG. If you believe this line of thought you have obviously not read RFK, Jr.’s book on The Real Tony Fauci. This man is a Villain par excellence and evil. And he was up to evil all his professional life back 20+ years ago with his dastardly harmful “vaccines”. This man is a major ally of the Prince of Darkness and must face judgement. We owe that to his victims whose lives he took.

F. G. B III
F. G. B III
1 year ago

“The guy is just the usual bossy government harridan convinced that we’re all children and have to be controlled from on high for our own good”. WRONG. If you believe this line of thought you have obviously not read RFK, Jr.’s book on The Real Tony Fauci. This man is a Villain par excellence and evil. And he was up to evil all his professional life back 20+ years ago with his dastardly harmful “vaccines”. This man is a major ally of the Prince of Darkness and must face judgement. We owe that to his victims whose lives he took.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

The conspiracy hunters are out and seething. There are undoubtedly many things that went wrong with the covid management reaction – mostly rooted in uncertainty, fear, denial, viral messaging (haha), and power-tripping greed. These are classic human behaviours, no matter your nationality, politics, race, education level, sex etc. The ranters here just prove that there are as guilty of such indulgences, errors or overreach (financial, intellectual, psychological) as anyone else.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

“All tarred with the same brush” is the usual ‘get out of jail free’ card played by malfeasants. And … informed sceptics are not ‘ranters’.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

but there are covid ranters – on both sides, and I’m sick of them.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

but there are covid ranters – on both sides, and I’m sick of them.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Dominic A

“All tarred with the same brush” is the usual ‘get out of jail free’ card played by malfeasants. And … informed sceptics are not ‘ranters’.

Dominic A
Dominic A
1 year ago

The conspiracy hunters are out and seething. There are undoubtedly many things that went wrong with the covid management reaction – mostly rooted in uncertainty, fear, denial, viral messaging (haha), and power-tripping greed. These are classic human behaviours, no matter your nationality, politics, race, education level, sex etc. The ranters here just prove that there are as guilty of such indulgences, errors or overreach (financial, intellectual, psychological) as anyone else.

James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago

Regardless of the wisdom of lockdowns I never see a best / worst case projected scenario of not locking down. Only ludicrous comparisons with Sweden where a relatively low dense population and wider geographical spread lost the same as a similar size, crowded, built up London, c 10,000 fatalities.
Without government support how many businesses would never have reopened? Judging by the scared, how many would have refused to go into work? How many at work would have treated those with a simple cold as unclean? I suspect we are seeing the scenario now, political mayhem, bills unpaid, people queuing for benefits, food banks, mortgages unpaid, high inflation. Most elderly gone, if only for lack of treatment. With all that, most of the First World shut down and us banished for lack of vax passports. We were never free of them, we were long global.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

Had we actually implemented the Great Barrington Declaration none of the efforts would have been necessary. For those under 50, Covid-19 was generally mild and IVM, HCQ could reduce the symptoms. Herd immunity would now exist and these myriad variants may not have happened. The government’s nearly everywhere adopting the Chinese model were simply wrong. The virus while serious was not that deadly.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

Had we actually implemented the Great Barrington Declaration none of the efforts would have been necessary. For those under 50, Covid-19 was generally mild and IVM, HCQ could reduce the symptoms. Herd immunity would now exist and these myriad variants may not have happened. The government’s nearly everywhere adopting the Chinese model were simply wrong. The virus while serious was not that deadly.

James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago

Regardless of the wisdom of lockdowns I never see a best / worst case projected scenario of not locking down. Only ludicrous comparisons with Sweden where a relatively low dense population and wider geographical spread lost the same as a similar size, crowded, built up London, c 10,000 fatalities.
Without government support how many businesses would never have reopened? Judging by the scared, how many would have refused to go into work? How many at work would have treated those with a simple cold as unclean? I suspect we are seeing the scenario now, political mayhem, bills unpaid, people queuing for benefits, food banks, mortgages unpaid, high inflation. Most elderly gone, if only for lack of treatment. With all that, most of the First World shut down and us banished for lack of vax passports. We were never free of them, we were long global.

Garrett R
Garrett R
1 year ago

Can anyone explain to me how you square Musk as a champion for free speech and his behavior to get out of buying the company for months?

Are you also supportive of people not paying their bills? Do you believe it to be ethical to withhold the salaries of kitchen and cleaning staff to make the world’s second richest man richer? I’m not seeing a lot of “personal responsibility” from the Elon Musketeers.

Hope you all aren’t Tesla shareholders.

Garrett R
Garrett R
1 year ago

Can anyone explain to me how you square Musk as a champion for free speech and his behavior to get out of buying the company for months?

Are you also supportive of people not paying their bills? Do you believe it to be ethical to withhold the salaries of kitchen and cleaning staff to make the world’s second richest man richer? I’m not seeing a lot of “personal responsibility” from the Elon Musketeers.

Hope you all aren’t Tesla shareholders.

Graeme McNeil
Graeme McNeil
1 year ago

Personally, it was always obvious to me that Musk is an egomaniac with literally zero interest in free speech and cares only about his overinflated ego. Good to see that events have proven me 100% correct.

Graeme McNeil
Graeme McNeil
1 year ago

Personally, it was always obvious to me that Musk is an egomaniac with literally zero interest in free speech and cares only about his overinflated ego. Good to see that events have proven me 100% correct.

Brian Laidd
Brian Laidd
1 year ago

No children died in a single study in Sweden? Children don’t die from Covid. I have a friend who is a teacher. She laughed at this single study. She said “as a teachers we get every infection that’s going around. My own experience from people I know is that family after family (neighbours on both sides included) got Covid from their kids who got it at school. Look at what’s happening in UK schools now, Strep A spreading like wildfire. Martin Kulldorff didn’t have the information to post against school closure it seems. Sounds more like confirmation bias. Also I saw an interviewee on Bill Mahr completely misrepresent Swedish information on Covid. As for Musk, his primary and obsessional driving force is making money at the expense of everyone and everything else, of course he was against lockdown, he’s against anything that costs him money.

Brian Laidd
Brian Laidd
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Laidd

And now, breaking news, journalists critical of Musk have their Twitter accounts suspended. What utter hypocrisy about ‘free speech’.

David 1
David 1
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Laidd

I read this too. I’d like to think this is his sense of humour. Almost as if he’s saying “this is what it feels like to be censored….”
I expect their suspensions will be very short. It’s what I’d do for a chuckle.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  David 1

7 days for doxxing. Against the rules. And the fools who championed Twitter 1.0 didn’t have a problem with the permanent bans, shadow bans, blacklisting, Twitter ‘folks’ having regular tea parties with their chums the FBI 
.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  David 1

7 days for doxxing. Against the rules. And the fools who championed Twitter 1.0 didn’t have a problem with the permanent bans, shadow bans, blacklisting, Twitter ‘folks’ having regular tea parties with their chums the FBI 
.

David 1
David 1
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Laidd

I read this too. I’d like to think this is his sense of humour. Almost as if he’s saying “this is what it feels like to be censored….”
I expect their suspensions will be very short. It’s what I’d do for a chuckle.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Laidd

Oh, sure. Twitter is a real cash cow for him. No, he bought it because he honestly (compare that to the censors at Twitter previously) believes EVERYONE gets to talk. The lockdown was elitist nannyism from the very beginning, an insult to freedom, science, and independent thought. The first thing the nannies always do is tell the children (that’s us, to them) to be still and do what they’re told.

Brian Laidd
Brian Laidd
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Laidd

And now, breaking news, journalists critical of Musk have their Twitter accounts suspended. What utter hypocrisy about ‘free speech’.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Brian Laidd

Oh, sure. Twitter is a real cash cow for him. No, he bought it because he honestly (compare that to the censors at Twitter previously) believes EVERYONE gets to talk. The lockdown was elitist nannyism from the very beginning, an insult to freedom, science, and independent thought. The first thing the nannies always do is tell the children (that’s us, to them) to be still and do what they’re told.

Brian Laidd
Brian Laidd
1 year ago

No children died in a single study in Sweden? Children don’t die from Covid. I have a friend who is a teacher. She laughed at this single study. She said “as a teachers we get every infection that’s going around. My own experience from people I know is that family after family (neighbours on both sides included) got Covid from their kids who got it at school. Look at what’s happening in UK schools now, Strep A spreading like wildfire. Martin Kulldorff didn’t have the information to post against school closure it seems. Sounds more like confirmation bias. Also I saw an interviewee on Bill Mahr completely misrepresent Swedish information on Covid. As for Musk, his primary and obsessional driving force is making money at the expense of everyone and everything else, of course he was against lockdown, he’s against anything that costs him money.

George Scipio
George Scipio
1 year ago

Musk is now supreme jerk of the world, ego on stilts, that’s clear. Division and fanning the flames are all he knows. Opposing covid vaccination and lockdown is just kneejerk contrarianism from inadequates who’ve “done their own research”. Fauci and leading medical officials together with scientific brilliance saved the world from a far worse fate: imagine the flu pandemic from a century ago scaled up two orders of magnitude. Science and medicine, of course, depend on human reason, which is why the loony fringe fears them. Reason must triumph over the irrational urge to destroy everything, which is what the mad barnacles really want so their egos can inflate still further – “I was right”. God help us with this intellectual riffraff at large.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

He may be a ‘supreme jerk’ based on some of his comments – but he has earned a certain right to be a ‘supreme jerk’ because its worked for him – you don’t get to be the richest most successful businessman by just being a jerk.
Contrarian views founded Tesla – surely a benefit to those who believe the Global Warming religion that’s taking on many of the same characteristics as the Covid religion did 🙂

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

As we now know, Fauci supressed all evidence suggesting the virus had leaked from the Wuhan lab where his institute was funding gain of function research.
We also know from leaked emails that he ordered a “takedown” of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, including Prof. Bhattacharya, a document signed by thousands of other eminent scientists and academics.
This is the man who saved the world? From what exactly……..finding out the truth?

jeff kertis
jeff kertis
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

It would be one thing if you were spouting this nonsense 2 years ago….But the results are in and Fauci has been wrong about everything: covid origins, lockdowns, masks, vaccine mandates, covid IFR, outdoor transmission, mitigation. And not only was he wrong, he did ebverything he could to suppress and discredit those who were right.
The only question is was he just very stupid and arrogant, or was he thoroughly corrupt?

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  jeff kertis

He is two of those things – arrogant and corrupt.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  jeff kertis

He is two of those things – arrogant and corrupt.

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

This is irony, right?

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

This hero of yours (Fauci) is reported to have disobeyed two POTUSs and continued payments of large sums of US taxpayers dollars to a lab in the territory of and under control of the government of a probable enemy for “gain-of-function” research. That is what I would call TREASON. I’m not a scientist and despite the ravages of time on my brain I can still think. I believe Fauci to be a charlatan (to the World) and a traitor to the US and their potential Allies. We have a similar person in the UK who, at every pandemic (human and animal) the politicians drag out to advise them. He has been consistently wrong, often to a factor of more than 10 but the idiots (sorry – wise goverments) still drag him out of his University and hang on his every word despite the moans and groans of many other learned people who think and believe otherwise. I think you are, at the very least, mstaken. PS I know that Elon Musk has a big ego and one day may come crashing down but I don’t think of him as a Jerk.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

Difficult to get so many things so wrong in one paragraph, but you managed…. congrats!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

What a wonderfully naive epistle, I congratulate you sir!

Matt 0
Matt 0
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

Random comment: Compare the excess deaths from Covid with the number of [young] people killed by the last great flu epidemic. At that time, there was very little local and international travel – rather equivalent to a total lockdown in modern times – yet it still killed millions. It’s important to learn from past events and avoid being influenced by political evils.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

He may be a ‘supreme jerk’ based on some of his comments – but he has earned a certain right to be a ‘supreme jerk’ because its worked for him – you don’t get to be the richest most successful businessman by just being a jerk.
Contrarian views founded Tesla – surely a benefit to those who believe the Global Warming religion that’s taking on many of the same characteristics as the Covid religion did 🙂

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

As we now know, Fauci supressed all evidence suggesting the virus had leaked from the Wuhan lab where his institute was funding gain of function research.
We also know from leaked emails that he ordered a “takedown” of the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration, including Prof. Bhattacharya, a document signed by thousands of other eminent scientists and academics.
This is the man who saved the world? From what exactly……..finding out the truth?

jeff kertis
jeff kertis
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

It would be one thing if you were spouting this nonsense 2 years ago….But the results are in and Fauci has been wrong about everything: covid origins, lockdowns, masks, vaccine mandates, covid IFR, outdoor transmission, mitigation. And not only was he wrong, he did ebverything he could to suppress and discredit those who were right.
The only question is was he just very stupid and arrogant, or was he thoroughly corrupt?

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

This is irony, right?

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

This hero of yours (Fauci) is reported to have disobeyed two POTUSs and continued payments of large sums of US taxpayers dollars to a lab in the territory of and under control of the government of a probable enemy for “gain-of-function” research. That is what I would call TREASON. I’m not a scientist and despite the ravages of time on my brain I can still think. I believe Fauci to be a charlatan (to the World) and a traitor to the US and their potential Allies. We have a similar person in the UK who, at every pandemic (human and animal) the politicians drag out to advise them. He has been consistently wrong, often to a factor of more than 10 but the idiots (sorry – wise goverments) still drag him out of his University and hang on his every word despite the moans and groans of many other learned people who think and believe otherwise. I think you are, at the very least, mstaken. PS I know that Elon Musk has a big ego and one day may come crashing down but I don’t think of him as a Jerk.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

Difficult to get so many things so wrong in one paragraph, but you managed…. congrats!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

What a wonderfully naive epistle, I congratulate you sir!

Matt 0
Matt 0
1 year ago
Reply to  George Scipio

Random comment: Compare the excess deaths from Covid with the number of [young] people killed by the last great flu epidemic. At that time, there was very little local and international travel – rather equivalent to a total lockdown in modern times – yet it still killed millions. It’s important to learn from past events and avoid being influenced by political evils.

George Scipio
George Scipio
1 year ago

Musk is now supreme jerk of the world, ego on stilts, that’s clear. Division and fanning the flames are all he knows. Opposing covid vaccination and lockdown is just kneejerk contrarianism from inadequates who’ve “done their own research”. Fauci and leading medical officials together with scientific brilliance saved the world from a far worse fate: imagine the flu pandemic from a century ago scaled up two orders of magnitude. Science and medicine, of course, depend on human reason, which is why the loony fringe fears them. Reason must triumph over the irrational urge to destroy everything, which is what the mad barnacles really want so their egos can inflate still further – “I was right”. God help us with this intellectual riffraff at large.