Morrissey had a proto-woke sense of underdoggism. Eddie Sanderson/Getty Images
You, me, everyone loved The Smiths. Yet love them as much as we did, The Smiths were still one of those bands where you know that after rehearsals or shows, none of its members ever went out for beers. They ended up playing together as a band because the want-ad gods of 40 years ago cobbled them together semi-randomly. I doubt that these days they communicate from one decade to the next. How odd, to have had that performing intensity for several years and then nothing.
People try to interpret their breakup as some dramatic conflict, but it was maybe more like the moment in your own life, when you realise that your family members are just random human beings trapped in a house together, and the sooner you’re out of it, the better.
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Johnny Marr is a genius, and so is Morrissey. There had to be a moment somewhere in the initial sequencing of The Smiths’s DNA when one band member said to the others about Morrissey, “But mate, he’s like so incredibly, you know, um, how shall I phrase this, different. What are we supposed to do with him?” And then the other two probably shrugged and then decided to just run with it.
No offence to the other two, but, having been pulled from the want ads, they probably were a little bit replaceable/generic. And it must have been very rankling, indeed, for Morrissey and Marr to have to pony up £1 million to pay off the drummer who retroactively sued for back-royalties when he found out he was only getting 10% of the profits. Morrissey and Marr got 40% each. In his autobiography, Morrissey spends an astonishing amount of time describing that lawsuit and his incremental realisation that he was likely going to lose. That had to hurt on a few levels. Decades later, nobody even knows the drummer’s name or cares.
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What I like about The Smiths is that they mixed corny with cool. Contrast How Soon is Now with Frankly Mr. Shankly. They were all over the map, but then so were The Beatles, and even The Smiths’s crap B-sides were better than most bands’ singles.
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The Smiths to me represented a kind of revenge of the suburbs, where the children raised in Milton Keynes and Pasadena got back at society for coddling them, like in J.G. Ballard’s Running Wild. There was this moment in the late Seventies and early Eighties when a hundred million young people worldwide collectively decided to leave home — no, flee home as quickly as they could. The hippies were dead to them. Punk was a dead end. New Wave meant an actual new wave of being that was a rejection of the state and false utopian thinking.
There is a toughness to people who came of age in that era, a wariness of all systems that organically flowed from being a certain age and watching all forms of order implode or decay while “the answer”, the peace and love of the hippies, was utterly useless. “Hang the DJ” was like a battle cry when the Lord of the Flies children decide to kill Piggy.
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The thing with Morrissey is the nagging feeling you get when you think back to how he was right about so many things back in the past, things like vegetarianism and veganism, as well as his proto-woke sense of underdoggism. I draw the line at saying prophetic, but he was definitely ahead of his time.
Morrissey expressed his essential Morrisseyness inside of what was still a music world filled with rock normative prejudices. His utter alienness was his protective coating. People were so busy trying to understand what was actually going on inside his head that they didn’t think to simply punch him. But it seems as though, as the years rolled on, people took less and less time to think about what he was doing, and the urge to punch him became almost instantaneous.
The Simpsons did an episode about The Smiths (“The Snuffs”) which was astonishingly cruel to Morrissey. It really went way too far: shame on them. Sure, Morrissey’s a dick, but he’s always on brand when he’s a dick, and that prickliness is why we love him.
But then there’s his racism which is at such odds with his peace love and understanding persona, yet people tend to cut him some slack and chalk it up to the same gene that makes our parents crank up the racism in their late fifties. That’s right: Morrissey is old, which means you’re old, too. So, in a weird way, Morrissey (I hate it when people call him Moz) is cancel-proof. Like Donald Trump, he inhabits his own universe, and he genuinely doesn’t care.
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Can you even imagine what a flaming radioactive mess a Smiths reunion tour might be like? It’s like contemplating the square root of negative one, or dark matter. There’s just no point.
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I did my only interviewer gig ever with Morrissey in Rome in 2006. I’d been heavily using the sleep drug zopiclone for the first time ever in the days leading up to the interview. Meanwhile, the record company had been so paranoid about interviewers bootlegging an advance of Morrissey’s new songs that they only sent me CDs that were so heavily watermarked that they wouldn’t play in any device in the US or Canada. When I got to Rome, the company let me listen to the new album on some weird sound system that was like something out of the former DDR. And then, six hours early, they rang my room to say that Morrissey was bored and wanted to do his interview right then.
As he walked into the hotel’s basement bar where the interview took place, my zopiclone massively kicked in and I remember seeing Morrissey’s head balloon in size like a Christmas parade balloon in New York. Then I blacked out and suddenly it was another six hours later, and I was on the phone with my agent in New York, when I snapped out of the zopiclone blackout and said: WTF just happened? There’s no real moral here. But if they’d just given me the fucking album a week earlier, I could have written something a bit better about the whole cosmic clusterfuck of an experience in Rome.
Which is all to say that nobody ever compares Morrissey’s solo albums to The Smiths’ albums. But the solo albums are really, really good, and Morrissey doesn’t get enough credit for that. Viva Hate (1988) was astonishing, and Kill Uncle (1991) was excellent. With Your Arsenal (1992) his bus started to veer towards some nearby cliff, but then a few albums later, Ringleaders of the Tormentors (2006), the album I was in Rome for, showed great song writing and performing talent once more. Solo Morrissey is a boutique listening experience, albeit one that will endure.
In my mind The Smiths were 75% Morrissey, 24% Johnny Marr and 1% the others. I hear Johnny Marr has done great stuff since the band split. I assume it’s excellent and wish him well. But the sum of the band’s isolated solo efforts isn’t greater than their whole. So many of us miss The Smiths and we always will. Missing The Smiths is like missing that Christmas dinner where everyone screamed at each other and behaved appallingly and damaged crockery and said untakebackable things, and yet ever since all other Christmas dinners seem listless and fake and dull. What a shame, and so needless, to miss them while they’re still here. It’s like they ghosted all of us when they ghosted each other.
Douglas Coupland is an award-winning Canadian writer and artist. He has published 13 novels, and his latest book is Binge, a collection of 62 short stories.
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SubscribeShe has been blamed. Who blamed her initially. Start there.
That’s right. Salem Witch Trials?
“There has been some commentary to the effect that those protesting Letby’s innocence should pipe down, that they are behaving irresponsibly.”
Who cares?? The people saying Letby is innocent should tell everyone else to ‘Pipe down’. She wont have fair trial unless those who have questions make a massive fuss.
Each piece of evidence on its own isn’t likely enough to secure a murder conviction. All of them submitted together paints a very different picture.
Too many who like to think they know more than medical professionals and police detectives seemingly want to gloss over the fact that an unusual number of babies died in strange circumstances, worries and reports from colleagues, she was on shift for all of them, she took home the notes and searched the families of those cases, she wrote a confession in her diary (so no coercion) plus numerous other bits of evidence against her. All in all it appears a rather damning collection of evidence when put together
Indeed. “Beyond reasonable doubt” is the legal test. She failed it.
It wasn’t an unusual number of babies that died. It was higher than average but this was a ward already identified as having serious practice failings before Letby arrived, a ward dealing with the most at risk babies, and a ward subsequently downgraded for its pre-Letby management failings. What is the “usual” mortality rate for such a ward?
We now know many other babies died of unexplained causes when Letby wasn’t on shift during that period. These deaths weren’t considered as attributable to murder because Letby wasn’t on shift. This is a kafkaesque circular argument.
The notes in her diary were written after she’d been accused – by just one colleague it seems – of misconduct in 2016. This was the beginning of an investigation that would lead to her arrest and prosecution. A potentially career-ending investigation is patently an oppressive situation. Arguments that it would only be oppressive if she knew she was guilty are absurd. Innocent people fear accusation, many innocent people persuade themselves of guilt when accused, and until this case the case law on confessions made in oppressive circumstances like Letby’s was quite clear.
As for the reliability of the criminal justice process, we have a reviewing judge who prosecuted a serious miscarriage of justice based on an incorrect use of statistics and a professional witness previously torn to shreds by another judge for his wilful bias and misrepresentation of facts. Shonky perhaps best describes a creaking justice system filled with people who are barely numerate flinging around complex statistics they don’t understand.
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Unfortunately, I can’t upvote it for some reason. Message I get is that I already voted for it – perhaps when the piece was originally posted in July?
Also, she was one of the few nurses on the unit with specialist higher qualifications relating to premature babies, so she was always going to be given the most vulnerable ones to look after. Hence the staff rotas.
And some people have a haughty view of knowledge, just as others have of power.
As for ‘appearances’, in the dark a bush appears as a bear. Whenever we read ‘could’, ‘may’, or ‘might’ – as in claims Britain could be at war in three years’ time – it is prudent to also read ‘could not’, ‘may not’, ‘might not’. And then to meet arguments about risk by examining the probability very carefully.
It was Conan Doyle through his character Sherlock Holmes who said that it was a capital mistake to theorise without data.
It would have been better if after Ms Letby had received the apology from the hospital to have left the nursing profession entirely rather than attempt to prove she was the best nurse ever. Did this create a contest between these different professional groups?
Although I’ve only served on one jury, I wouldn’t want to trust my life to half of those I met there. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that if I’d run a shop selling gloves, they would have persuaded themselves that I was a criminal mastermind. Or if I were a criminal mastermind, that I was just selling gloves.
Jury service do be VERY weird.
A similar situation happened in Canada in the early 1980s when nurse Susan Nelles was accused of murdering several babies by injecting them with digoxin. The evidence against her fell apart and subsequently it was thought that the cause of the digoxin poisoning was an error. The story can be found here: https://prism.ucalgary.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/6a7008f1-9a12-4426-81c2-14154f578f27/content.
I’m not a Brit and am only generally aware of the Letby case. My sense, though, is unless some strong new evidence is unearthed, or significant weakness (perhaps even fabrication) of the existing evidence is discovered, the chance of a further review of this case at appellate level is slim. In the absence of such revelations, the arguments will inevitably be somewhat abstract and inconclusive, with experts arguing over the laws of probability.
Yes. I think that is pretty much what the article concludes. I still believe this will ultimately been seen as a terrible miscarriage of justice
But that is the problem.
On balance of probabilities is for civil court cases.
Beyond reasonable doubt is (or rather used to be) standard for criminal cases.
I thought that under English law the decision of a jury is conclusive on matters of fact. Appeals are on points of law. The court of Appeal has heard and rejected these appeals. It strikes me that English legal justice has therefore been done in this case. I do wonder how many more “Yes, but” points should be entertained. In England, criminal liability has to be proved beyond reasonable doubt – but not beyond any conceivable doubt. That would surely be absurd. This endless inquiry may produce some interesting journalism for a while but does it further the cause of good and sensible law?
The problems in the case very much fall under reasonable doubt.
But the jury decided on that basis.
The point of these reexaminations of the case against Letby is not to further the cause of good and sensible law but to ensure that justice is done to Letby. If there is evidence she was in fact wrongly convicted are you in favour of suppressing it? The more the evidence relied on scientific evidence the more the scientific approach should be adopted. Science relies on testing a hypotheses. It is never settled but subject to falsifiability.
If substantial new evidence comes to light of course the court should consider it – but rehashing of matters already considered is another thing.
So are you suggesting that expert statisticians and medical experts and lawyers should not criticise the evidence upon which Letby was found guilty, and journalists should not knit their evidence together to impugn the judgement unless it can be considered “substantial new evidence” in case it might be regarded as rehashing matters already considered?
Much of the evidence was of a scientific nature and science is necessarily provisional and not final. As the Susan Nelles case highlighted above by Andrew Roman illustrates it can take time for the fallibility of tests to emerge. Miscarriages of justice are only revealed by many people persistently rehashing and reevaluating the evidence to slowly reveal the true facts.
Those in authority tend to wish to support the argument that once a verdict is rendered it should be final as that is much more convenient and supportive of the system. That should not be the attitude of the ordinary citizen. If doubt is raised by serious statisticians and medical experts regarding the evidence it is our duty to encourage further digging rather than turn away and pretend all is well in case it upsets the parents.
The point of re-examining the case is to ensure justice is done to Letby – whether guilty or innocent – AND the babies who died and their families. It has been clear from very shortly after the first trial that the statistical evidence was misleading – babies who died when she was not on shift weren’t counted – that doesn’t make Letby innocent.
There is a possibility she may have been responsible for killing the two babies with insulin imbalance but not those thought to have died from air embolism (and others not included in the case because they died when she was not on duty). These may have died from natural causes or may have died due to the conditions at the hospital, which, for some of the time, had sewage backing up onto the ward as well as staff shortages. If Letby takes the blame for all the deaths, others who may also be responsible walk away.
Yes, that what usually happens with NHS.
Find a scapegoat and sweep all the problems with dysfunctional organisation under the carpet.
And then stand outside your house applauding inanely.
“But if it be a question of words and names, and of your law, look ye to it; for I will be no judge of such matters.”
The jury was one of the issues. A juror was reported to the judge at the start of the case as he stated to other jurors that he believed she was guilty. The judge spoke to him and he was allowed to remain, which, speaking as someone who has been a juror on a serious case, I find extraordinary
As I recall it, revealing what was said at any point during the deliberation of the Jury is, in itself, a criminal offence and so if that anecdote is true then that would further indicate serious failings among the Jury.
Could not the cause of these rash judgement cases be down to the narrow pool of mediocre middle class people from which doctors and lawyers are recruited.
They already have contempt for those they consider the lower orders and just listening to some of them, they brook no dissent from their views, the same group provide most MPs..
I wonder what “wide pool” of exceptional people you consider yourself to be from.
Please spare us this nonsense.
My girlfriend came from abroad, get her A levels and degree here and then did whatever is required to become lawyer.
I know many lawyers, barristers and doctors.
None of them can be described as mediocre.
UK is one of the most open and meritocratic countries.
If you look at class and connections based society, despite claims to contrary, that would be most of EU.
Try to speak to Italians and French.
How many of them are amazed even at PhD level jobs searches, that they managed to get jobs in uk, without dady calling his mates asking for favours.
UK has many problems but not the one you complain about.
A very silly comment. You are talking about hundreds of thousands of people, who one would imagine vary widely in their abilities.
I don’t like the information in the article about the lead prosecution expert witness. In hot water for a previous poor performance. And pitching his services to the police/CPS who may have been tempted to use him for his attack dog qualities rather than his careful and fair analysis of the evidence. Smells wrong.
In the Sally Clark case the Court of Appeal initially refused to overturn the verdict until after 3 years and a second application was made when it emerged that Alan Williams, the prosecution forensic pathologist who examined both babies, had failed to disclose microbiological reports that suggested her younger son had died of natural causes.
There is great institutional reluctance to admit mistake indeed reports have already emerged to the effect that staff who might have given evidence in favour of Letby were discouraged by suggestions that to do so would harm their career in the NHS. I suspect that all the criticism of the evidence by those with professional competence to do so will fail to result in a further Appeal unless it can be established that there was excalpatory evidence held by the prosecution that had been withheld from the defence. This is the sort of evidence that can overcome the reluctance of Appeal Court judges to reconsider.
I remember the Sally Clark case well. I had studied Genetics for my first degree and the fact that congenital factors were not seriously considered I found astonishing. In the court case Meadows testimony explicitly stated that all infant deaths occur completely at random and a second one in a family is prima facie evidence of foul play. This was clear and obvious nonsense.
I can understand a jury being convinced by this uncontested evidence but could never understand why it did not cause outrage at the time.
The main problem with the Letby case is that the weakness of the evidence makes it more difficult to disprove on appeal.
‘The main problem with the Letby case is that the weakness of the evidence makes it more difficult to disprove on appeal.’
Yes, indeed. The very weakness of the evidence has been unhelpful to her, as it has created a vacuum into which have poured the emotions of the jury and the grief of the parents. As a result, this is the closest to a witch trial we have seen in modern times.
Would you be happy for this nurse to have charge of your premature baby?
Having read the New Yorker article, yes.
No, but I’m not ‘happy’ with the idea that she is a mass murderer either.
The whole ward at Chester Hospital was very lax with a very low standard of care. Never mind Lucy Letby!
What about nurses ignoring alarms for ages when family are present?
It happened to me on many occasions when visiting my uncle and my cousin for months in hospitals in London.
That is the main problem.
Letby, assuming she is guilty, is an outlier.
I wouldn’t want you on a jury judging me! Emotion is no basis for justice.
Yes, but at a better run hospital.
Whatever happened to “beyond a reasonable doubt”?
I recall reading article about DNA evidence.
Average person is likely to think that 1 in 100k chance of accused not being guilty is overwhelming evidence.
However, it means that, excluding children, there are 500 people who could had committed this crime in uk.
The only major guilt pointer from what I read is her being on shifts when bad things happened.
To me it is only correlation not causation.
The coincidental shift evidence is also statistically suspect – explained at length with nice diagrams by triedbystats.com
This statistician also dissects in forensic detail, the comments made in this piece along with some others.
Confirmation bias writ large
In practice, ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ comes down to whether the prosecuting counsel can successfully play on the jury’s emotions. In this case, “Would you risk putting your baby in her care?” Not relevant in legal terms but very powerful emotionally.
By the sounds of things you wouldn’t want to risk putting a baby on that poorly run understaffed ward with or without her being there.
Yes. From everything I’ve read about her, she seems to have been one of its few redeeming features, and one of the few people prepared to challenges its poor condition. No good deed ever goes unpunished, as her case clearly demonstrates.
Lost in the age of emotion and ‘my truth’. If I feel that she’s guilty, then she should hang.
The very fact that this discussion is ongoing not just here but in wider legal and social circles seems to suggest there is an incredible amount of scepticism on whether this was a safe verdict.
Adam King himself makes the point that the various routes of appeal are correct under law but as a contributor in this discussion pointed out ‘the expert witness for the crown had put himself forward for this case’ and when it became clear his previous’expert evidence’ at another trial was found wanting, then surely the judge should have stepped in and spoken to both sides on the legitimacy of said evidence in this trial.
Something just does not sit right in this case.
Defense should have retained a scientist to explain stuff to the barrister. Clinicians are not scientists and often don’t think like scientists. And any barrister could find it difficult wading through all that.
You make a very good point that clinicians are not scientists.
I remember a murder case where the Judge was persuaded of the defendant’s lack of guilt part way through the case. However, rather than stop the trial and dismiss the charges, he thought he would allow the case to go to the jury reasoning that the accused would be better exonerated by being acquitted by a jury than if he simply dismissed the charges.
Much to his shock the jury convicted and he had to impose a life sentence.
We know this because the Judge concerned made this public and wrote in support of the Defendant’s appeal. The conviction was subsequently over turned on appeal but not before the Defendant has served a significant spell at HMP
I hope he didn’t make that mistake ever again. Juries are, by definition, at least half composed of very stupid people, after all.
A very interesting article. Adding to the concerns about the possibility of Letby being wrongly convicted are the stories emerging that her colleagues and staff at the hospital were told, by the hospital administrators that they should remain silent, despite concerns on the part of several that she is innocent.
But hospital administrators would NVER involve themselves in a cover up. Or would they??
The fact is that in the face of so many stories about whistle blowers being treated abominably and the avoidance of such retaliatory action, these people are very frightened for their jobs and careers.
Yes, I did not know about it.
As a layman, I consider it enough reason to consider this trial null and void.
I believe 5 of the deaths were the subject of natural causes verdicts in coroner’s court. The ’embolism’ deaths are speculative and even the insulin ones may well have been natural. Therefore we may be looking at a mass murder verdict where there are in fact no murders at all. In the Post Office miscarriage we’ve seen large numbers of people convicted of stealing or embezzling money that did not ever exist. Meanwhile blatant theft, murder and violence go unpunished every single day.
Reading the press reports during the trial it was abundantly clear that the case was a miscarriage in progress yet every article I read was baying for her blood.
This is what happens if you’re conditioned to applaud the NHS at every opportunity.
“But arguably … while the probability of “coincidence” might indeed have been very low, so too is the probability of a mother murdering her children.”
And so it is the mathematician Thomas Bayes who should be invoked, not Pierre Laplace.
Bayesian statistics are not easy to get your mind around, but they are shown to be increasingly important in understanding complex statistical problems like this.
He writes about Bayes extensively in the article.
I’ll say essentially the same thing as last time: I have no evidence to offer as to her guilt or innocence. Only a vague sense of discomfort that something isn’t quite right. The more I hear about how the prosecution was conducted, the more uncomfortable I am.
Have to say, this does raise questions of whether in some cases it is appropriate for purely lay juries to be responsible for deciding on guilt or innocence.
Channel 5 has just aired a programme pointing out that no expert gave evidence for the defence, and that this may reflect fear of persecution in cases involving children, the experience of Dr Waney Squier who gave evidence against the reality of ‘shaken baby syndrome’. I have no opinion either way, how could I? However, I have just bought Rory Stewart’s book ‘Politics on the edge’ and will be interested to see what he has to say about British ‘justice’. Recent cases as well as notorious past miscarriages give me no reason to remove the quotation marks yet.