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It’s all America’s fault Naive Brits have been duped by its poisonous politics

Western society is on its knees (photo by Gav Goulder/In Pictures via Getty Images)

Western society is on its knees (photo by Gav Goulder/In Pictures via Getty Images)


March 30, 2021   6 mins

During the absolute doldrums of the first lockdown last spring, I tried watching the first Jack Ryan series on Amazon Prime. Forgive me, but there was a lot of television to watch and my social life wasn’t looking too good.

I normally quite like mindless action films full of explosions but this time I just couldn’t get past the second episode. There was nothing wrong with it; I’m sure it was fine — I just didn’t want the protagonists to win. We were, of course, supposed to see what drove some Middle Easterners to hate Americans, one having lost a brother in an air strike as a child; American entertainment has moved beyond the “reel bad Arab” caricatures of the 1980s.

I actively wanted them to win, though, and found myself muttering “What are you even doing in their country?” at the Yankees as they ran around some forsaken place in the desert. Before last year I never would have felt that way.

My father was a refugee in the United States. His parents had sent him and his older brother to North America in 1940 because they wanted their children to grow up free. They spent Christmas that year in Manhattan staying with family friends in the Upper West Side, where they were doted on by all the neighbours and friends who came to visit and showered the two English boys with kindness.

But then America was a country famous for its incredible generosity, the welcome it gave newcomers; once you crossed that ocean no king, tsar or Führer could bother you again. Many enjoyed similar welcomes; a friend of dad’s remembered arriving around the same time and being picked up by a New York taxi driver who told him in a broad Nu Yoik accent: “Don’t worry, son, Uncle Sam’s gonna look after you now.” He never forgot that.

To my generation, growing up in the Cold War, that sense of America The Protector still lingered. I remember as a child seeing US troops at Checkpoint Charlie and being aware that it was thanks to them that we didn’t have to keep our eyes down like the poor prisoners of East Berlin. As a British child, when you watched American films or American TV, you identified with the Americans against our common enemies around the world.

Like many people here, I considered 9/11 as an attack on us too, and not just because of the dozens of Britons killed; I was furious when the BBC aired a panel show a couple of days later in which various (mostly Muslim) guests and audience members shouted about how the Americans had it coming, in front of a distraught-looking American diplomat.

And yet a lot has happened since. There is now a feeling, and I suspect it is growing on the British Right, that America is no longer a force for good in the world — quite the opposite. “Civilisations die from suicide,” as Arnold Toynbee famously said, and the United States, or at least its Ivy League-educated elite, is the Rev Jim Jones of the West.

The overwhelmingly Atlanticist wing of the British Right is, I suspect, going to experience a long retreat — one that will slot right into the long history of anti-Americanism on the Right. America, after all, was a revolutionary society founded by Whigs, and the country’s Tories were largely driven out, to Canada or Britain.

Conservatism, as it began in France and England around the time of the French Revolution, was defined by throne and altar, and so some American intellectuals argued that the country didn’t really have an authentically native conservative tradition. Yet paradoxically America, while being a young country, also has the most ancient of constitutions, and the deepest political roots. It really has something worth conserving. For that reason, until now, it always resisted utopian and revolutionary ideas, while Europeans could never resist them.

The European Right once had a strong anti-American streak, viewing it as a country filled with mediocrity and an absence of high culture. Those on the extreme Right disliked it as a land of racial degeneracy and Jewish influence; Hitler in particular hated everything the United States stood for.

But as America’s empire grew, however, it was the Left who came to see the US as the chief enemy of the wretched of the earth. Perhaps the lone Yankeephobe among senior post-war British Conservatives was Enoch Powell, who was deeply hostile to the United States, which he blamed for the downfall of the British Empire. Powell wasn’t totally alone, although anti-Americanism was largely on the fringe. The Right-wing Monday Club had been in favour of joining the Common Market because it was opposed to American influence. In 1967 it argued that the choice was between being “first-class Europeans” or “second-grade Americans”. Club chairman Sir Victor Raikes even made the case for the withdrawal of American troops from western Europe so that the continent could instead defend itself.

Yet this quaint nostalgia for the world before 1914 could not live up to a reality where western Europeans have been incapable of defending themselves and still rely on American support. And as the Common Market failed to become the alliance of independent states the Conservative Right hoped for, so the Tories became increasingly Europhobic. By the late 1980s pro-Americanism was imbedded in the British Right; the country’s Right-wing tabloids also became zealously pro-American, while continuously writing in derogatory terms about the Germans and French.

It had become a mantra among conservative commentators that everything America did was better. They believed in freedom rather than euro-socialism, they still cared about defending the West against its enemies. America was richer and technologically more advanced. It even had higher fertility, the highest sign of confidence in the future. None of these things are entirely true anymore.

On the Left, meanwhile, a casual sort of anti-Americanism has long since been the norm, fed by Americans like Michael Moore who use their countrymen as punchlines for European audiences. It is assumed that most of the world’s problems are caused by the Great Satan, whether through the machinations of the CIA, FBI or capitalism in the abstract.

Yet the same liberal middle-class Europeans who despise “inauthentic” mass-produced American food also hold the most basic, globalised political opinions mass-produced in America. The most successful of these beliefs — the Coca-Cola of bad takes — is that America is a unique force for racism and oppression, exported by Americans who can make a living precisely because it isn’t true. But if European liberalism think America hegemony is oppressive, wait till they see what follows.

So while far more British people on the Right see themselves as pro-American, this barely makes any sense anymore. Certainly on issues of social democracy, relating to welfare and redistribution, most Europeans are more Left-wing than Americans, with the British somewhat closer to the US median. Yet on social justice issues — related to race, immigration, gender and sexuality — America is far more radical than the European norm. And in 21st century politics, those latter issues are more salient to people’s voting habits.

It was once a rather fond cliché to say that when America sneezes Britain catches a cold, but that idea seems less benign now that America’s politics has mutated into something genuinely toxic and destructive. Its elites are aren’t just misguided, they are deranged and malignant. With the country losing its Christian faith, they are driven by a new religious moral fervour towards the utopian goal of “equity”, equality of outcome transferred from the individual to the racial group, a project destined to stoke hatred and conflict.

And of all the people in the world, the British have the least immunity to these ideas, unprotected by any language barrier or recent cultural memory of utopianism. In France and Germany, American concepts at least have some linguistic hurdles before they come to spread and dominate; in central and eastern Europe, people recognise that purity spirals and cancel culture have obvious, dark comparisons with their own history. In Britain, however, we have an entirely naïve population.

Because our middle class desperately ape everything they read in the New York Times, or watch on Netflix, so America’s history and discourse is transferred onto ours, a form of cultural imperialism that our leaders are too conformist to resist. So we see nice, elderly Liberal Democrats voters in suburban Oxfordshire kneeling outside their homes in absurd imitation of American sportsmen protesting about a police shooting, the circumstances of which they are entirely, and wilfully, ignorant of. Would any of them protest police killings in Brazil, which dwarf the US rate? Would any of them care?

It’s not a thought-out belief with an understanding of the causes of a problem or the consequences of any proposed solution; it’s a meme, a fashion. It’s what anthropologists refer to as “prestige-biased group transmission”, when people imitate the fashions and mores of powerful groups without any understanding of whether these fashions will benefit them. It’s the same reason that my children are now being taught American history at school, the stories of Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks, as if it was theirs.

It’s tragic, because on a personal level Americans are still as warm and generous as they’ve always been; their earnestness and kindness sometimes shames me, coming from a country so filled with cynicism and nihilism-disguised-as-irony. But their political culture is poisonous, and America’s progressive fundamentalists are a bigger threat to Britain, and to Europe, than probably any other force on earth, bar climate change.

I still cheer for the Americans in the old films. But when it comes to the American religion being forced on us, I empathise more with the desert tribesman than with Jack Ryan: Yankees go home and get out of our lives.


Ed West’s book Tory Boy is published by Constable

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Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

The people in the photo kneeling on the beach holding a sign aren’t doing it because of anything to do with black lives and they’re not doing it because of Americans. They are virtue signaling, they’re trying to say something about themselves. Virtue signaling has no nationality. It’s simply the desire to draw attention to yourselves. Look at us, look how superior we are.

Jack Tarr
Jack Tarr
3 years ago

Members of the managerial/professional elite appear to be robotic. They almost all have the same mannerisms, tastes, fashions and of course prefabricated opinions. The higher up in the power structure people are, the less individuality they seem to have. Their ‘intelligence’ and ‘education’ is all about identifying sources of power and using low cunning, dishonesty and bullying of subordinates to achieve advancement to higher rungs of the ladder.
The ability to think and act for oneself is a prerequisite for entrepreneurs, but for cogs in the corporate machine, apparatchiks in government, or academics working in the dreary bureaucracies called ‘universities’, it is a liability.

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Sean Meister
Sean Meister
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Tarr

Such is the power of midwits. They feel safe in the knowledge that they know best. After all they read Derrida at University (for their Sociology degree of course, 2:2 naturally) and work for the local council. They are the “new British man/woman”.
In reality they aren’t trailblazers: they are conformists of the highest order unseen amongst their IQ betters or, indeed, their lowers.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

True, except they would have been awarded Firsts for their nonsensical degrees. Hardly anyone gets a 2:2 these days – it’s not the fashion.

clem alford
clem alford
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

You are so right. I have come across so many of these ‘woke’ folk working in the council. Usually Labour controlled ones.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

Note quite. So hotly contested are genuine graduate jobs that big companies have the pick of the best qualified graduates who are interested in a business career. Oxbridge and Russell Group firsts and MBA’s top business schools are the norm, not the exception.

Simon Holder
Simon Holder
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

Indeed: the ‘useful idiots’, essential to the march of Left-wing oppression.

Michael Coulson
Michael Coulson
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Tarr

Of course the odd case surfaces where someone climbs the greasy pole saying nothing out of turn, just behaving themselves and taking opportunities to advance their position. Then when they reach the very top they suddenly reveal their real self and the result can be astonishing and radical. Example? President de Klerk of South Africa

clem alford
clem alford
3 years ago

Good example Labour Party leader Sir Keir Starmer. Stabs Corbyn in the back and shits on the UK voters on Brexit.

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Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  clem alford

Corbyn did that too though. If he’d had the backbone to fight for Brexit from a left wing perspective – like he has all of his eurosceptic career – Labour could have retained the Red Wall.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
3 years ago

They get there because they’re effective. De Klerk certainly was.

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago

FW: the South African Gorbachev.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Tarr

That’s a bit of sweeping generalisation which smells of groupthink.
My experience tells me that good people tend to get to the top because they’re good at what they do. In publicly listed companies managers have nowhere to hide, they’re accountable to their superiors who are in turn accountable to shareholders. Bad managers tend not to survive long in that environment nowadays. That’s why casually slagging off big business is misguided.
I never noticed any lack of individualism in those I worked with. If you consider entrepreneurs to be more individualistic, well maybe, but the ones I’ve encountered have two things in common: one is a greater appetite for risk and the second is a greater need for control, a symptom of which can be the inability to delegate. Neither of those qualities necessarily makes them better than good managers. Indeed, often to grow their businesses, they have to hire managers to do the things they can’t or won’t do.

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Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

Depends what you mean by ‘good’ though. ‘Good’ nowadays tends to be good at virtue signalling, box ticking and judging by arbitrary characteristic and oppression points instead of ability or individual character.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

You have a rather idealistic view of corporate life, I must say. You can succeed by being good at what you do if what you do is political manipulation. Eccentricity will be tolerated if it’s artfully played. I once worked for a man who wore brilliantly red suspenders; while his competitors and rivals were looking at his suspenders he picked their pockets and ate their lunch.

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

But how did anyone see his red suspenders? Did he lift his skirts? (“picked their pockets and ate their lunch,” good one!)

Susannah Baring Tait
Susannah Baring Tait
3 years ago

Means braces.

rbl2552
rbl2552
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Deb Grant is talking about companies SHE actually worked for, and she stresses her own *experience*. Get it? Her comments are NOT “idealistic” when those comments are based on experiences through which she has lived. So you calling her “idealistic” for being positive is pretty lame. Indeed, may I say that you sound very “woke” in your unjustified rebuke, which Deb clearly, and I do mean CLEARLY does not deserve. And to accuse her of doing well because of “political manipulation?” Seriously? You had to resort to the cheapest shot of all? Who the flip are you to shoot down an honest and open human being with such disdain, when you have NO flipping idea what she or her company is like. ***And your “red suspenders” story sounds sound both apocryphal and fabricated. Indeed, even if true, it’s just a cartoon.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  rbl2552

I’m going by my experiences in large and not-so-large corporations. Since I was stuck in them if I wanted to make the kind of money I wanted to make given the kind of commercially marketable talents I had, I studied the methods of management and the behavior of the managers pretty closely directly from the source. No doubt there are some outliers, but businesses (over a certain size) seem to operate in very similar ways. Of course I’m speaking about a particular country with a particular culture, but I once read a book about what one might call enterprises or companies in the Soviet Union, and many of the practices were astonishingly similar, given the differences of culture and external political structure. I could go on about this at great length, but I don’t suppose it would be read since it seems it would lie athwart people’s favorite beliefs and fables. As for theory, I would recommend Machiavelli although y’all Brits have come up with some pretty good authors in this line yourselves. They are mostly taken to be satirists.
By ‘suspenders’ I mean straps which are attached to men’s pants at waist level and pass over the shoulders and hold the pants up. I suppose these may be called ‘braces’ over yonder. If the wearer wishes to show them he need only unbutton or take off his suit jacket. I am sorry anyone thinks I was writing fiction — I was not — but si non è vero, è ben trovato, no?

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

I believe the cream rose to the top as I was coming up, but things have changed. Corporations will sacrifice profit for a share of virtue signaling-evidently their shareholders are basking in the glow as well. These days successful people can be cancelled for a contribution to a cause that is not “approved” by the wokerati, such as Brandon Eich/Mozilla. Or Glenn Greenwald, who founded The Intercept to prevent himself being censored. He was forced to resign after being censored by the selfsame news website he founded. it’s going to get worse before it gets better…

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Geoff H
Geoff H
3 years ago
Reply to  Tobye Pierce

Judging by what I see I think it’s going to get worse before it gets worse still.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Tarr

Creeping ” Unconscious bias” Employment Units,are Sinister & Orwellian,we can Joke,;but that is really Worrying trend..

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Jack Tarr

And the Wokesters are determined to destroy the entrepreneurs.

Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

Well, yes and no.It undoubtedly has narcissistic, virtue signalling components. But it’s also a response to guilt and shame being heaped upon them -very powerful projections to hold without being shifted from one’s centre. I think the interesting question is why? Why this peculiar phenomenon -why has it taken such a grip on a particular segment of society (the chattering classes?). I’d like to hear some people on this. I suspect it has to do with the death of God/ religion, as so much of this type of behaviour is suffused with religious zeal. I think it probably links to the success of the long march through the institutions conducted by the radical left -but that still leaves me wondering why we are so susceptible to its influence at this point in our cultural history. This obsessional vision with ‘equality’ has some noble roots, but it’s being acted out in such self destructive and dismantling ways.

andy young
andy young
3 years ago

It’s simply because fanaticism will always beat reasonableness; reasonable people know that the world is more complex than you could ever imagine & that we blunder our way through it using the best predictive models we can, which are inevitably flawed, & thus there is NO CERTAINTY about anything. Which is waaay scary & means decision making is often really, really difficult
So someone who comes along & says “just behave like this, & everything will be just fine” (a big incomprehensible book of rules always helps) will always find an audience. Which is great until reality comes & bites them on the rear end (not allowed to use the correct colloquial term apparently).
At the moment we’re in peril of apathetically allowing the lunatics to take over the asylum, with the inevitable consequences for our collective bottom …

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Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago
Reply to  andy young

But fanaticism doesn’t always beat reasonableness -at least not consistently enough to have altered our history to make us all fanatics. I agree with you about the complexity though -but we used to try and grapple with complexity and reality, with modest success, so what’s happened?!

Geoff H
Geoff H
3 years ago

Unfortunately, you can only use reasonableness if both sides agree to it. This article gives a good outline why debate and reasoned argument is not on the wokeraties radar.
https://newdiscourses.com/2020/07/woke-wont-debate-you-heres-why/
To them debate and reason are the tools of the Enlightenment (the cause of all unwokeness) and to use them means acceptance of the system they are trying to destroy – heresy as far as they are concerned.

Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago

Why this peculiar phenomenon -why has it taken such a grip on a particular segment of society

How about we’re all bored out of our skulls being stuck in lockdown.

If there had been other stuff going on in the world the death of George Floyd would never have been noticed.

Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

I think the lockdown is an accelerant but not the cause.

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago

Oh I don’t know….. Trump Derangement Syndrome was already dominating American political discourse, uni campuses were already rioting and deplatforming Ben Shapiro, Milo and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Antifa were already giving journalists brain injuries, milkshaking conservatives and generally being a nuisance. It has been going on for a while and the Democrats are now utterly in thrall to it.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

I don’t think guilt and shame have anything to do with kneeling with signs. Anyone who truly felt shame would take some sort of concrete action. Tutoring minority students, for example.
Kneeling with signs is a public display of virtue. it’s what some do in place of anything actually helpful. Ask anyone doing this what they are doing to change a situation that they believe exists. You’ll find the kneeling with signs to be the extent of their interest in the issue. Suggest that they actually do something concrete and they get offended as if that’s not their job.

Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

Not really -when enough guilt and shame are projected into minds not strong enough to endure the projection there is often a rather unthinking, paralysed, ‘go along with it’ sort of response because the attack is so panic inducing and demoralising. Shame goes to the soul of a person. A lot of people fell to their knees, issued apologies, vowed to reform themselves etc… not really understanding why -it’s a very powerful projection. It’s like a desperate act of contrition. This is the only available ‘concrete action’ of people brought so low by the attacks that it’s totally demoralised them. Bear in mind the attack says that white people are so shameful that they can do nothing good but surrender their agency.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

People experiencing guilt and shame usually hide. They do not advertise. After all, the intent of people holding signs is for others to see it. And interestingly since you mentioned it, the kneelers’ sign doesn’t say anything about apologies or vows to reform themselves. In fact, the action element you’re assuming is noticeably absent. Which is interesting and may invest your comment with a slightly different and quite relevant take. In that because their sign specifically does not take ownership of what they see as a problem, it simply mentions that something matters, are they then pointing the finger at others as culprits of some kind while exempting themselves from any responsibility? Hmmm, possibly.
the sign as it is simply says black lives matter , something there isn’t any disagreement on. Would you think it odd if they walked around with signs that said “Night follows day”? But this isn’t concrete action. That would involve an actual call or vow to action which is never part of these virtue signals.
“This is the only available ‘concrete action’ of people brought so low by the attacks that it’s totally demoralised them. “
No, I’ve mentioned several concrete actions sloganeers could take. The fact is that a photo op with a sign is much less time consuming.

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Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

You don’t think that falling to one knee and holding up the BLM sign says anything about apologies or vows to reform. Really? Falling to one knee is a classic symbol of repentance and subjugation and the slogan ‘Black Lives Matter’ carries with it an implicit accusation that in the past they have not. In carrying the sign you are saying you agree with that idea. I think you misunderstand my point about shame -the point of shame is that it renders the shamed speechless, powerless and without agency -that’s what shame does. It silences and brings someone low due to the sense you’ve done something wrong. That’s the whole point of the hard left’s angle on this -shame people into feeling demoralised, worthless and useless. If you’re white in this, you’re not supposed to have your own thoughts or perform actions -you just fall behind the sign, get in line, fall to your knees and follow the BLM dictat -no questions, no debate. The whole point of it is it renders it impossible to take concrete action -concrete action is not what is wanted by the movement -your submission is what is wanted. I put ‘concrete action’ into inverted commas for a reason -I know it’s not concrete action really but BLM doesn’t want white concrete action -it wants submission.

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Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
3 years ago

You make some good points. However, on the subject of kneeling: to what are the blacks who take a knee submitting?

Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Krehbiel

That’s a good point -two types of kneeling? One in solidarity/ one in subjugation?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

“You don’t think that falling to one knee and holding up the BLM sign says anything about apologies or vows to reform.”
it clearly doesn’t. Vows by whom to reform what? Where is the apology? Do you apologize to people from a kneeling position? I’ve apologized many times in my life but never on my knees. Kneeling is a sign of subservience, not of apology.
“the slogan ‘Black Lives Matter’ carries with it an implicit accusation that in the past they have not”
yes, this is a slogan, precisely. Who are they accusing in your view? You are reading quite a lot into these peoples actions which is undoubtedly the goal of the sloganeering. But the three words black lives matter is neither an apology for anything nor an accusation towards anyone. Does sloganeering make you feel demoralized? Do you find it shaming? I have to say, it has never once made me feel that way.
Concrete action is never impossible. Regardless of what anyone says.

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Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

I think you think I am a sort of apologist for this kneeling, or the slogans, or the movement or those who do it. In which case you misinterpret what it is that I am saying. It ought to be clear from what I’m writing that I am not a fan. But I think you are not comprehending the motives of others who have been influenced by this movement and who profess support for it. I am sure they have largely been manipulated, but being dismissive of them doesn’t help matters -trying to understand what drives the take up of such a movement might. I’m not sure about your last sentence. If you don’t understand about the demoralising aspect of things try Yuri Bezmenov’s warning to America (1984) – it’s on youtube. A significant part of BLM is about demoralising the culture through guilt and shame. I would have thought this was obviously the case really.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

I’m not dismissive of them. I think people should be able to carry whatever signs they want and kneel in public whenever they want to. But I’m not ready to canonize people who are virtue signaling quite so easily.
I don’t believe that people who carry signs around and kneel in public have “taken up a movement’, though, perhaps that’s where we diverge. They are just carrying signs and kneeling. It’s cheaply bought nobility so to speak.
They don’t tote signs around their homes and spend time kneeling at home. It’s the public nature of their action that makes it relevant to them. Without photographers or other people around, there would be nothing for them at all in doing this. Is that taking up a movement in your view? And what precisely is the movement?
I don’t agree that anyone has been demoralized into doing this, they choose to do it freely. There’s no pressure to kneel in public with signs and the vast majority of people would not even consider doing so.

Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

You are very dismissive of them! I don’t begrudge it a bit. I feel much the same way myself. But if you really feel there’s no pressure to kneel in public with signs perhaps you’re not thinking about people less strong willed than you. They believe they have taken up a movement (for good or bad reasons). I, like you, don’t believe in that movement one iota. Add into the mix group psychology and the power of the mob, average intelligence being what it is, absence of curiosity in people to grapple with complexity -it’s a powerful and compelling mix for many. I guess to my mind it’s helpful to thinking to hold onto the old adage of not attributing to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The thrust of the radical left is always to impute malice (racist, homophobe, sexist, transphobe etc..) -that’s the shaming aspect – and in my experience that’s where the divisiveness is fomented.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

If there is pressure to kneel in public and hold signs, wouldn’t more people be doing it? I feel zero such pressure, do you feel any?
Believing that one has taken up a movement by performing pointless actions like this is not the same thing as taking up a movement. If you disagree, explain how they are taking up a movement. Unless it’s a movement promoting kneeling sign holders doing photo ops.
I have no idea if people who do these things are stup*d or not. But I do know that they want people like you and me to believe they are highly invested in something. They are not and we should not credit them with being so. I have friends who are deeply invested in the lives of our young people and they volunteer every week to specifically help minority kids who are behind in reading catch up to their peers. These are not their own children, they don’t even know the kids’ parents. THAT’s taking up a cause. These sign holders are trying to buy their virtue on the cheap. We should be unwilling to grant it to them. Let’s see them actually do something beyond virtue signal for the cameras. If we do not do this, if we accommodate the virtue signaling, it will only continue as will the absence of concrete action that actually does indicate someone’s investment in a cause.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

If there is pressure to kneel in public and hold signs, wouldn’t more people be doing it? I feel zero such pressure, do you feel any?
Believing that one has taken up a movement by performing pointless actions like this is not the same thing as taking up a movement. If you disagree, explain how they are taking up a movement. Unless it’s a movement promoting kneeling sign holders doing photo ops.
I have no idea of the intellect of people who do these things. But I do know that they want people like you and me to believe they are highly invested in something. They are not and we should not credit them with being so. I have friends who are deeply invested in the lives of our young people and they volunteer every week to specifically help minority kids who are behind in reading catch up to their peers. These are not their own children, they don’t even know the kids’ parents. THAT’s taking up a cause. These sign holders are trying to buy their virtue on the cheap. We should be unwilling to grant it to them. Let’s see them actually do something beyond virtue signal for the cameras. If we do not do this, if we accommodate the virtue signaling, it will only continue as will the absence of concrete action that actually does indicate someone’s investment in a cause.

David Platzer
David Platzer
3 years ago

Kneeling may be caused by fear more than virtue signalling or guilt, especially for someone caught in a demontration or a riot who feels it necessary to be obey or be in the position of an aristocrat in the French or Russian revolutions or a Jew in Hitler’s Germany. I was appalled when, last year, the Royal Society of Literature posted “Black Lives Matter” on its site. Until then I had never seen anything in the way of a political statement from the Society. I assume it came from fear of not being on the safe side in what seems to be a tornado. To me it seems not unlike the behaviour of people who felt obliged to collaborate in countries that were occupied by the Nazis in the 1940s. It is tragic that Britain who escaped that horrendous choice in that period is now falling into this one.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

No one kneels for a photo op on a beach out of fear.

David Platzer
David Platzer
3 years ago

I was writing in general not about the solemn family on the beach.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

In general it’s virtue signaling.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago

An even better (and studiously ignored) suggestion is to ask the kneelers to open the doors of their homes to the blacks whose lives they believe matter. As you suggest, there will be no response. The sign is the thing, not action.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

Yes, the movement as Julian calls it that they are investing in is a kneeling with signs movement. Not a thing to do with anyone else’s lives. It’s about them, no one else. And the sad part is that they are teaching their children to do this.

Don Gaughan
Don Gaughan
3 years ago

For many dogma driven political and religious belief systems, the members have a wilful myopia and dismissal rationales for truths and reality that contradicts their core creeds.The left and their usual political theatre of hyped up angry protest mobs in the streets , with the sinless always virtuous outraged ” victim” group taking a stand and threatening impoverishment/ cancellation of the always evil powerful denounced target is a deceptive emotional manipulation to promote their agenda.
Its baffling how so many people in the free democracies of the west were the badic human right of free speech and tolerance of diferring views were widely held principles become intolerant malicious violators of that right and oppresively impose their dogma on their fellow citizens ,in the name of human rights and social justice.
The politically corect woke progressives seemed so irrational , self contradictory and truthless, one did not think they would last long or get far, a joke more than a real threat.
They now control and dominate much of our public institutions and the public info sphere and are in the seat of govt.
The inmates are very much in control of the asylum, and the steps to liberate ourselves from the deranged progressive tyranny need to be taken.

Michael Cavanaugh
Michael Cavanaugh
3 years ago

You ask a very good question. Perhaps comparing UK & US could shed some peculiar light. If one does not believe in the first instance that race is essential and real, and thus does not respond well to the Nazis’ flattery of the Master Aryan Race, why in the world would one respond favorably to the CRT line about racial guilt? They are the same line, just with polarities reversed. There has to be a whole long history of racial gaslighting, yet to be written; but it must have something to do with the question: how in the world could Leonard Bernstein throw the cocktail party for the Black Panthers in 1970, as described by Tom Wolfe? How is Radical Chic even possible (long before its recent instantiation)? It is not only racial. Mick sings in “Sympathy for the Devil:” “I shouted out, ‘Who killed the Kennedys?’ when after all it was you and me.” No, it was not YOU and ME. One sees this also, in the US, when the punditburo wrings hand over mass shootings: WE are all responsible, WE must do something. No, WE did not shoot anybody. But whence comes a ready acceptance of collective guilt? This is a definite mind-set; it must have causes. It must have origins. Was there a time in the UK before the virtue-signaling described above could just not have happened? (Is Mick just parodying the US, or is there something broader at hand?) Are there any differences between the current proposals for reparations in the US, and talk of UK reparations to India?  It is hard to credit that either Tommy or GI Joe bought the notion of collective guilt when Hitler applied it to the Jews. What changed, and when?

Juilan Bonmottier
Juilan Bonmottier
3 years ago

I think you have a good point -there is a lot of seizing upon the single incident as totemic at the moment -i.e ALL men are responsible in some vague way for the death of Jenny Everard, or for domestic violence. Radicals, on the left and right, always argue for collective guilt and responsibility (‘rape culture’ etc… when any proper common sense analysis of reality would demonstrate that there is no such thing). Some people don’t seem to want to grapple with the fact that there are bad actors out there who are not in any meaningful way representative of the wider culture. I do feel that it boils down to psychological traits in certain individuals that tend to splitting and polarisation as a defence against painful aspects of their own realities. Unprocessed, these extend to the wider world.

Geoff H
Geoff H
3 years ago

But it’s also a response to guilt and shame being heaped upon them -very powerful projections to hold without being shifted from one’s centre.
That’s a good point, but I prefer the term ‘gaslighted’, which I think is a more accurate portrayal of what is actually happening. People haven’t a clue what it is they are supposed to have done (which is nothing), they just know they have been accused of it with such fervour that it must be true. They are apologising but not knowing what for, hoping it will make it all go away and they can go back to being Mr and Mrs Average with 2.4.

Gerald O'Connell
Gerald O'Connell
3 years ago

Or maybe just showing a bit of solidarity?

Charles Knapp
Charles Knapp
3 years ago

The proof of that pudding will be in the eating. Although we will never know, if this family does something concrete that will have a cost to them to help the economically marginalized, then you would be correct and they would be displaying solidarity.

If, as many assume, this photograph is a “one and done” activity with nothing following on, then it certainly seems to qualify as the virtue signaling that tells others “I’m the good one, please move on.”

Words are cheap but we seem to be moving toward a performative society where it’s what we say or wish to believe that others are obligated to accept. “My truth” trumps reality … unless you are white, white adjacent, white passing etc but even then only if you have not mastered the woke lingo – if you have, you get to lecture everyone else and make money besides.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Knapp

A la Meghan Markle.

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago

Regards what ? – as West stated more people are killed in Brazil by the police than USA – did they kneel in solidarity before Floyd was killed

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
Reply to  Simon Baggley

It’s all about power & money. That’s what ‘The Kneeling Kaepernick’ wanted and got in the end. It has nothing to do with principle.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
3 years ago

Solidarity with what? Against being killed by the police? Do you know that a couple of months before Floyd, a white man was killed in the same manner, chocked to death by being kneeled on by a policeman. Did we hear anything about that incident? Did his family get 27 million compensation. Don’t remember, do you?

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Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
3 years ago

The exploitation of Floyd has been organized. The affair is tragic for all directly concerned but the efforts to dismantle society over the affair is worrisome. Perhaps it becomes the trigger point for a real social collapse.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Doesn’t fit the narrative. Since the press is only really good at suppressing info they don’t want you to know-we hear nothing about white deaths unless the perp was white, and then it’s still less of a loss. Look at the recent tragedy in Colorado.

William meadows
William meadows
3 years ago

Points for sticking your head above the parapet.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

Showing solidarity would mean actually taking some sort of action. Volunteering to tutor minority students for example. Helping a minority community plant a community garden. Kneeling and signs are about the kneeler with the sign.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

Why “minorities ”

Middle class English ppl should tutor the poorest and worst performing academic group in UK .the white working class kids

hugh bennett
hugh bennett
3 years ago

…GEE … these are little kids on a beach.They just don`t look a happy family do they ? get the bucket, spades and footballs out and let those kids run and smile ! Seriously, many of these wokefolk are rearing a broods of neurotic chicks, that is what also concerns me. Just look at the mothers face. Children, the future, are most relaxed, happy, and content if they know that there is someone there to cheer them up!

Edward Stag
Edward Stag
3 years ago

Good on the little boy for remaining on his feet, he clearly has avoided the brainwashing from his parents.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Edward Stag

Yes. Imagine teaching your children that kneeling to other people is a good thing.

Kate H. Armstrong
Kate H. Armstrong
3 years ago

Never! My father taught ‘Straight back and arrogant head .. Maude Gonne at Howth Station waiting for a train. All the Olympians … a thing never seen again’. (WB Yeats). My father taught ‘never bow your neck to those who claim superiority. They will always walk on it’. Ergo I, and in turn, my children have been taught self-respect and the essential need to be well informed. NEVER accept the word of the overtly brainwashed.

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  Edward Stag

So far…..

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
3 years ago

I wonder that they don’t appreciate how much of a caricature they present – in every detail.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Nash

Do you think it’s really a spoof photo?
All it’s missing is the Golden Labrador.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

I wondered about that. You could change out the sign relatively easily.

Elise Davies
Elise Davies
3 years ago

Imagine the photoshopping opportunities inherent in that sign? Hopefully nobody will take advantage of their earnest narcissism

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Elise Davies

Yes.
I came out for the photo op and all I got was this st*pid sign.
or how about
Kneeling with a sign. The most we could do.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Exactly why it’s so meaningless!

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Sadly, no.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Nash

That’s the gob-smacking feeling I get each time I see something like this. This kind of submission is cringe inducing.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

We know nothing about that image beyond the fact that it is purchased by Unherd from Getty Images. So why project your own indifference to the struggles of others on to those depicted in it? Just because you have no empathy, and so cannot conceive of being concerned with long-standing and systematic discrimination against human beings not part of your social group, why do you assume self-serving motives for the actions of others? Is it because you yourself are incapable of actions derived from any other source?

Kelly Mitchell
Kelly Mitchell
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

This sort of strident judgementalism is so typical of the CSJ mentality.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Kelly Mitchell

Judgements don’t use question marks.

Jonathan Weil
Jonathan Weil
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Token question marks. “Just because you have no empathy, why do you…?” Sounds like a pretty damning judgement to me!

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Weil

‘The people in the photo kneeling on the beach holding a sign aren’t doing it because of anything to do with black lives and they’re not doing it because of Americans.’
Annette has the opportunity to defend herself against my ‘judgements’.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

If I thought it was necessary, I would. You’re as entitled to your own views as anyone else, aren’t you? Perhaps you should carry around a big sign that reads simply “Empathy”. That way we would all know how much empty you have.

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Sure, we’re entitled to our views. And we’re not obliged to defend them, although I think it betrays a certain lack of engagement if we won’t. Engagement is probably a better indication of empathy than a sign!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

“Engagement is probably a better indication of empathy than a sign!”
Bingo. My point precisely. Care to give your thoughts on what sort of engagement the folks holding signs might consider to be a better indication of their feelings than a sign? I gave a couple of examples above if you want to plagiarize.

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

You twist my point slightly – but your assumption appears to be that making a public protest excludes taking other actions. Or that making a public protest without other actions automatically makes that protest insincere. Why do you make these assumptions?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Where did I say anyone was making a protest?

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Weil

And when did you stop beating your wife?

Wilfred Davis
Wilfred Davis
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Judgements don’t use question marks.’

So I’m not judging you for virtue-signalling?

Robin Banks
Robin Banks
3 years ago
Reply to  Kelly Mitchell

What is CSJ?

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

It is no more than virtue signaling – it’s an empty and vacuous gesture that does nothing for oppressed people around the world as how could it

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Simon Baggley

The first step to tackling oppression is to raise awareness and acknowledge it. Of course we can and should do more, but why is doing something worse than doing nothing?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Kneeling on a Cornish isn’t going to achieve anything but ridicule.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Perhaps not, but if so it says something about them and about those ridiculing them.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Yes it says most of ‘us’ are prescient enough to spot the beach bums as ‘posers’.

Paul N
Paul N
3 years ago

Technically they may be “posing” for a shot. Maybe they are trying to raise awareness of the issue. Maybe it’s just in the hope of stock photo royalties. Or maybe just possibly it’s a very very small seaside demo. But the motivations of these four subjects and their photographer are not particularly relevant.
It’s still quite possible for people to join a BLM demo (even in the UK) to protest what they perceive as racially motivated injustice. You may not share their perception, but that does not mean they are all merely “virtue signalling” – a cheap and dismissive jibe, which (ironically) may itself be parroted in a form of virtue signalling within the anti-anti-racist community.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul N

Yes, this is pointless behavior unless there are cameras around. Assuming they don’t carry signs around at home or in their backyards, the assumption must be that this is for public consumption. Okay we have seen your sign,

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

I haven’t ridiculed anyone kneeling on a beach with a sign. I simply noted that their actions are about themselves. Since you say it says something about them, it seems you agree.

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

All our actions are to some extent about ourselves, but you are denying that such actions could possibly be about anyone or anything else. What evidence do you have for that?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

The total lack of evidence in the photo.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

This isn’t about the photo.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

How would you know their actions without it?

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

You are not engaging in any real discussion here. This performance morality is just that – a performance. Their act does nothing. The entire piece about how people outside America only choose to display this kind of virtue regarding US politics and not other countries and you missed that too.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

But BLM and similar protests are not just about ‘US politics’. That is where this article is wrong and deceitful. The protests are also about very real and documented discrimination in this country and elsewhere. Of course there is an ‘availability bias’ in the expression of these things, but that doesn’t mean that the problems do not exist or that people do not genuinely wish to see them tackled.
If Mr West was really interested in the transfer of bad political habits from the US he would have something to say about the current UK government and PM’s lying, avoidance of scrutiny and lack of integrity.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

BLM iS Racist &Marxist you idiot….toad of Woke hall

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

“The protests are also about very real and documented discrimination in this country and elsewhere.”
Are you claiming that discrimination is legal in the UK? Or are you saying that it’s not but it won’t be prosecuted? Either is quite a claim. Have a few examples of either legal discrimination or known discrimination that the legal system ignored?

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago

I imagine that ‘BAME people aren’t as rich as white Britons’ counts as discrimination to this person, rather than the acknowledgment that ‘privilege’ is built up over generations and is also sometimes down to culture and individual temerity. 4 generations ago my family were all dirt poor farm workers who left school at 14, 2 generations ago secretaries and manual workers with a couple of O-levels, today semi-skilled office workers, some with uni degrees. It doesn’t happen overnight even just to get as far as that.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheryl Jones

The poorest people in the country with worst social economic mobility is the white working class

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

They clearly are about US politics. I mean how many times does it need to be pointed out that there were no protests about cop killings in Brazil (which took the brunt of the transatlantic slave trade).

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Because it takes the place of actually doing something, while providing a false sense of accomplishment.

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  Tobye Pierce

But also perhaps ‘look at me look at me I’m ‘good’, don’t pick on me, pick on THEM!’

Terry M
Terry M
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

“The first step to tackling oppression is to raise awareness and acknowledge it.”
No, the first step is to be honest about the situation. So-called oppression is almost always mere whining by those with too little ambition to do things for themselves.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Skin color is not a social group! My kin and kindred spirits, who share my cultural values, are my social group! Compassion for other’s struggles can co-exist with a disgust for the divisive, regressive and racist nature of defining people by their skin color. Empathy can intertwine with a withering critique of collectivism. ‘Poverty Matters.’ makes more sense.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

Exactly! My wife’s family’s skin colours range from porcelain white to milk chocolate brown and they all share the same cultural values, conservative; they are actually more conservative than traditional English liberal me. Can the racial politics/CRT of the left explain this anomaly? No, it will ignore it.

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

We can belong to social groups without being ‘defined by’ them. To recognise that black people are disadvantaged is not to define them – the ‘defining’ has already taken place, consciously or unconsciously, by society.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Not all black people are oppressed, just as not all white people have ‘privilege’. To condemn an entire racial group is the very essence of racism. There are, undoubtedly, acts of racism but to see racism everywhere a la ‘reds-under-the-bed’ is ludicrous and counterproductive. It alienates decent-minded people who actually oppose racism. One wonders what the real agenda is of those who support or profess their observance of CRT. Not all black people wish to be infantalised and seen as victims and they see little difference in a policeman assuming they are a crime risk and a white wokester assuming they share the same philosophy. It all comes down to preconceptions i.e, prejudice. And I for one are more likely to listen to a black person explain racism than it being funnelled through a white persons mouth.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Scott

Watch out – your straw men are on fire!

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Straw men! See Candice Owen on the Tucker Carlson Tonight show last night. She said it more succinctly.

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Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Scott

So tired of the attitude that insists on infantilizing blacks. According to the Wokesters, they are incapable of getting an ID, finding a polling station or speaking correct English. Application tests must be dumbed down because they are incapable of actual competition. They behave as if they are children! It’s an insulting and racist assumption that allows them to feel superior and “helpful” at the same time. It’s not only wrong but infuriatingly offensive.

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

You’ve again missed the whole point of the piece. Read it again.

Irene Ve
Irene Ve
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Here are some numbers to consider,
Statistics from gov.uk, “Percentage of state school pupils aged 18 getting a higher education place, by ethnicity” in 2020; Chinese 71.7%, Asian 53.1%. Black 47.5%. Mixed 39.0%, White 32.6%”. White pupils had the lowest entry rate between 2007 and 2020”.
If you understand what these numbers mean, there is only one clearly disadvantaged group currently here on the UK – the Whites.
I suspect situation in the US is somewhat similar, but you can check it yourself.
My son is academically successful mixed race boy, he is very angry with identity politics because no matter what his true level is, everyone will suppose that he is there as a result of affirmative action. Do you understand that affirmative action is humiliating because it assumes that minorities cannot get there based on their merit?
Do not speak on behalf of my son, you and you ilk have already ruined quite a bit of his future.

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Irene Ve

Those are encouraging statistics, but there are others, such as income, wealth and imprisonment, that tell different stories.
I am sorry that you and your son feel that attempts to combat systemic discrimination have had negative consequences for him, but I think that you and others who might judge him have a misunderstanding of how such policies work.
I sincerely hope that he will continue to have the opportunities he deserves to demonstrate his abilities.

Irene Ve
Irene Ve
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

I know that religious people like you are deaf to voice of reason, but just one last thought to share with you.
You do understand that what you are promoting is essentially anti-Darwinism: punishing the most productive members of society, rewarding the failure, encouraging proliferation of the least fit. Many a socialist regime tried this and failed.
I am truly happy that the movement you represent started in the US about 10 years earlier than it has started finding some ground here. This lucky time gap should be just enough for us to observe the US going down thus saving Europe from the same destiny.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Irene Ve

Well, it’s too late for that. What do you think Angela Merkel’s flinging the doors to Europe open to thousands of Muslim migrants, mostly young men, was if not catastrophic virtue signaling?

Irene Ve
Irene Ve
3 years ago

And that was exactly the reason why I voted for Brexit 🙂 And why millions of others here in the UK voted the same.
now jokes aside, Merkel made that blunder, if I remember correctly, after a big scandal, when she was saying in front of the camera to a little girl from a family of unsuccessful refugee applicants, that she should go back to where she came from. The girl was crying, and Merkel was cornered by the media, accusing her of being a fascist, into that exact blunder of opening the doors of Europe to whoever wanted to get there. Since then, Europe has somewhat sobered/toughened up in that regard.
Hopefully.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Irene Ve

I hope so. And congratulations on Brexit.

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Sometimes disparities in income, wealth and imprisonment are down to the individual’s own bad choices. Stop infantilising people based on skin colour and treat people as individuals not rolled into some arbirtrary ‘group’ it’s ridiculous. If you are a criminal you go to jail, end of. If you want to be a famous rapper, you’ll probably fail. If you work hard at school and try to improve your situation there is NOWHERE better to do it than in countries like the UK.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheryl Jones

It’s perfectly possible to believe that both individual and group factors are relevant. If the average outcomes of a group are worse than those of another (irrespective of the fact that there are good and bad outcomes within every group) then we should look for reasons for that. If those reasons are groundless prejudice or discrimination then it benefits everyone to put that right because it represents a waste of talent and resources.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

“If the average outcomes of a group are worse than those of another (irrespective of the fact that there are good and bad outcomes within every group) then we should look for reasons for that.”
why?

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Because, and I quote myself, ‘If those reasons are groundless prejudice or discrimination then it benefits everyone to put that right because it represents a waste of talent and resources.’

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

How could a groups average be due to groundless discrimination? Or discrimination of any kind? Unless you’re claiming that some people in a group are subject to prejudice thus bringing down the average, but others in the same group are not, this makes zero sense.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

On the contrary – it makes perfect sense! That is how averages work!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

So you do believe that systemic discrimination affects some people in a group but not others?

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

It will affect some more than others, of course. The problem is that for any particular individual it is difficult to measure because it would have to be compared with the counterfactual: ie: what would have happened without the discrimination – which is clearly impossible. So you have two choices: 1) ignore the problem or 2) compare averages across different groups who are similar apart from the characteristic you think is being discriminated against.
Even if the results of the latter show discrimination you aren’t going to easily identify which individuals have suffered more or less from it because you don’t know who would have achieved what without the discrimination. Such is the nature of social policy in general.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Ignore what problem? You haven’t identified a problem. You can’t equalize everting among humans. In any groups of people you will have some do better than others. It doesn’t matter whether it’s school or employment or sports or parenting. This is simply fact. There isn’t any way around it. You can have two people treated exactly the same and one will do better than the other.

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

The ‘problem’ is that there is evidence that among all the factors that determine why one person ‘does better than another’, the colour of their skin is one. Most people would regard this as an irrelevant factor, and one that has damaging consequences for society as a whole. In which case we might look for ways of offsetting that factor for the benefit of our society.
All of these steps require evidence to demonstrate their existence or effectiveness, but that is the underlying reasoning.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Irene Ve

Exactly right. Affirmative action is insulting and hurts everyone.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Hmmm… I find this puzzling. How, exactly do we ‘define’ ourselves, if not by our value system? As far as conscious or unconscious perceptions of others – it is in our nature to judge strangers. (Our very survival depends on our canny judgements) Appearance is usually the first aspect of the screening process. Other factors swiftly take over, in a complex matrix of defining ‘friend or foe’. I don’t disagree that some ‘black’ people in some situations are disadvantaged. Lots of people struggle. Why plunk people in that skin color box? Minority status is a tricky situation but there is a remedy and it is NOT multi-culturalism nor paternalism. Common values – a pluralistic community – a certain determined toughness – ambition… all go a long way in creating a life.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

What is ‘in our nature’ is not a guide to how we should act, although it must be recognised as sometimes making rational choices more difficult. It is not rational to deny talented people of minority identity an equal chance to make the best of their abilities. To avoid this as a society we may need to introduce policies that counteract our irrational individual prejudices.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

“It is not rational to deny talented people of minority identity an equal chance to make the best of their abilities.”
Harvard does it all the time.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

EVERYTHING humans do, rational or emotional or carnal or spiritual or ___ is ‘in our nature’. We cannot do otherwise!
And I completely agree – everybody should have equal opportunity to thrive and succeed. I’m impressed you didn’t say ‘equal outcome’ – although you’re approaching it with the threat of dictating outcomes via policy. Freedom and equal opportunity must be ferociously defended, and true racism condemned. But if I don’t like the way a person behaves, or think they aren’t right for specific employment, and that person happens to be black, that doesn’t make me racist. btw – just today in NYC a man (who happens to be black) knocks down a 65 year old woman (who happens to be yellow) then stomps on her head 3 times then kicks her in the body, yelling anti-Asian statements. Two security guards (who happen to be black) watch the whole thing, do nothing then close the door. What is the rational response to this? How should I use this information in my judgements / pre-judgements? Do the bleeding blm hearts who lump everybody together according to skin color identify with this brute and those cowards?

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

‘EVERYTHING humans do, rational or emotional or carnal or spiritual or ___ is ‘in our nature’. We cannot do otherwise!’
I’m sure you don’t really believe that. Because it would make you a complete determinist and deny all individual and collective choice. It is true that what we do has to be compatible with our nature, but there are plenty of alternative paths we can take that are.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Of course I believe it! That’s why I wrote it. I can no more escape my humanity than I can become a cat. The choices we make, the ‘alternative paths’ you mention are all a part of our nature. Murder and rape are human nature. Aberrant and repulsive behaviors, but our nature nonetheless. Adopting children and donating kidneys are human nature. Storytelling and myth creation and atheism are human nature. We are human, and everything we do, think, feel, and choose is our nature. Maddeningly circular, I realize. And perhaps we are at a semantic impasse.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

I think it becomes circular only if you ignore two facts. Firstly, we don’t and cannot know exactly and in full what is ‘in our nature’ and what isn’t – so it is reasonable to at least attempt to improve our individual behaviours if we believe these are damaging. Secondly, what is ‘in our nature’ individually may be open to mitigation by collective action. Presumably the fact that murder and rape are in our nature wouldn’t lead you to think that they should be exempt from legal punishment?

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

‘Privilege’ takes generations to build up, if at all, and requires a degree of give and take, personal temerity and cultural assimilation. Today’s SJW’s are screaming ‘What do we want? UTOPIA! When do we want it? NOW’ when I think they KNOW that flies against reality (this is THE most tolerant and well-off generation in all of human history) and human nature itself. That is why I think their cries for social justice are so disingenuous. Why on earth would a first generation Somalian immigrant with little English, no skills and a background of violent conflict be of ‘equal’ income and attainment immediately? However an educated Ugandan immigrant, who likes British culture, is law-abiding and polite, would probably get on just fine and pay that forward to their kids. ‘Equality’ (whatever that really means) attained in less than a generation.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheryl Jones

‘…an educated Ugandan immigrant, who likes British culture, is law-abiding and polite, would probably get on just fine…’
The ‘would probably’ is the point here. They certainly should do – but do they in comparison to a white person with the same characteristics?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

No two people will ever be exactly the same. Sorry just the way it is.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

The relevant comparison is not between the outcomes for different people, but as far as it is possible between those for the same person under different (unprejudiced) circumstances. You are perfectly at liberty to argue that this comparison is an impossible task – but would you still do so if you believed you were being denied employment simply because you were female or because you had a non-Anglo-Saxon name?

Elaine Hunt
Elaine Hunt
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Probably better. Because ,,you know, ,,diversity is desirable

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Elaine Hunt

Ensuring that everyone can fulfil their talents to the maximum possible is likely to lead to more diversity, not less!

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Two emissaries now on this thread from the ranks of the MOPE (most oppressed people ever). The rest of us do seriously empathise and suggest you take up the violin and play mournful tunes.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  michael harris

Why do you feel that the ‘othering’ of those who disagree with you is justified or helpful?

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

I see your ‘others’ Mr Mope and raise you two Kurds.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

The same question could be asked of you, could it not?

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Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Oh, it could be asked – but I am not calling anyone an ’emissary’, or referring to ‘the rest of us’.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Well, yes you actually are. Who else do you mean by “those of us who disagree with you”? Who do you mean when you say someone is “othering” others?

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

You misquote me. There was no ‘us’ in my comment. No ‘us’ and no ‘them’. Creating that division is ‘othering’.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Well, yes there was actually. “Those who disagree with you” is them.

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Dude you are full of cliches. What does “othering” even mean here? Did someone disagree with you?

I’m going to blow your mind here and say that American blacks are one of the world’s most culturally dominant groups, which is why in fact you get such concern about them and not say a Brazilian. Or a Yemeni child.

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago

Yup, Franz my man, those who cling to their ‘oppression’ are mostly looking for an angle to get a leg up on others.
My ancestors (perhaps!) shafted your ancestors so I should give you lotsa money. So you’ll be the latest one to make a buck off their misery.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Well, I know a few things about it beyond that it appears here. It’s a photo of four people, three of them kneeling, on a beach. They are holding a sign and they are being photographed. There appears to be no one in the photo who disagrees with what the sign says.

Pauline Ivison
Pauline Ivison
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Calm down dear

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

We know what it’s meant to represent. That’s why it exists.

Alex Wilkinson
Alex Wilkinson
3 years ago

Narcism and guilt. Not proper guilt like they’ve actually done something bad, but faux, cringey, self-regarding guilt for something no-one’s responsible for: race.

Sean Meister
Sean Meister
3 years ago

Social conformity is a powerful driver for those of midwit intelligence (105-120). These people are easily manipulated and mislead with verbose but ridiculous theories (ie: all of Critical Theory/Post-Modernism). I have yet to see any evidence of this type of “virtue signalling” from those with extreme high-outlier intelligence (unless it’s for cynical career reasons) or indeed of those with low-average intelligence.

Kathy Prendergast
Kathy Prendergast
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

That’s an interesting theory; I’ve long wondered why I seem to be stubbornly immune to the Cult of Wokeness and have generally thought it’s just my own oppositional nature. But maybe there’s more to it than that? I’ve never put much stock in IQ tests, but still, in every test I’ve ever taken the results have ranged from 125 to 135.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

I wish that were true, but most of this started in universities, where the IQ average is probably above 120. I wouldn’t discount cynical career reasons either, but waaaay too many smart people have bought into this.

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago

What determines what is the virtue? Obviously these people are self virtuous and self righteous, but why has the killing of a black man in the US enraged them? Why not Brazil as Ed suggests? The answer is American cultural imperialism – Ed is correct on that.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago

‘American cultural imperialism’? Last I checked, America didn’t force James Dean’s Levis and white t-shirt on you. McDonalds wouldn’t survive across the pond if you all didn’t flock to the Big Mac. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

I wasn’t really talking about James Dean. Did anybody read the article? If you’d prefer another term the problem is American cultural hegemony. Which, funny enough, is what they accuse of “whites” of having.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

So you’re complaining to Americans that you consume too much American culture? Doesn’t that seem like something that’s within your own control? And that of others who do the same?
My guess is that your real heartburn is that people want to consume American culture to the extent that they do. But then you’re complaining to the wrong people.

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago

Did you read the article Annette? This whole thread is largely off that topic. What Ed was saying (in the article you didn’t read) was that US ideologies are harmful to Britain and that British conservatives should be moving away from total support for the US. The clue was in the title (It’s all America’s fault
Naive Brits have been duped by its poisonous politics) but maybe you didn’t read that either. This has nothing to do with re-runs of Friends.

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Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

yes, that was my point. Ed is complaining that Brits consume too much American culture, too many American ideas. As though that wasn’t totally within their control. What gave you away was the reference to “American cultural hegemony”.
Do you believe that calling people dupes is a really great persuasive tactic?

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Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago

The American ideas aren’t watching friends. It’s a specific introduction of critical race theory from the US into European countries, and largely Anglo sphere . People not watching friends won’t stop that.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago

You are correct – the title is illuminating. It’s America’s fault for being so damn American and asserting their American-ness. The British are in no way responsible for their own political mess. Nor are they responsible for Levis.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

We don’t know that they are enraged. They don’t look enraged, in fact, they look quite cowed. We don’t know if they were behaving the way they were because someone was taking a photo. We also don’t know that the killing of a black man In the US has anything to do with their behavior. Can we determine that they do not know or care about black lives in Britain? That would seem to make them a bit less virtuous, would it not? And if it’s just about the US then would it not it require modification of their sign to add the word American before the word black?
What we know is that their sign says some lives matter. Those of black people. We don’t see anyone in the photo disagreeing with them. It’s sort of like walking around telling people, you know, children matter. Or animals matter. Okay, and? As to what determines what the virtue is, in this case, the people kneeling in the beach are self determining their own virtue. And then advertising it.

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Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago

They don’t look cowed. The taking of the knee etc is clearly related to the George Floyd incident, as you know, and that’s pertinent to the debate here.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

On the contrary, they look very cowed. Like they might break into tears at any moment, brave souls that they are. They haven’t said a word about George Floyd. And taking the knee long predates George Floyd. Are you sure you’re as up on American culture as you think you are?

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago

The kneelers are probably in the U.K. that’s the implication of the article.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

And?

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Except you’re not allowed to say that All Lives Matter to these people.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
3 years ago

It’s because they speak a foreign language in Brazil which means any one of the hundreds of mainly black men killed by Brazilian law enforcement agencies, according to the BBC, can’t be easily marketed in the Anglosphere; additionally, because there are so many, who do you chose?

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Scott

That doesn’t hold up. The George Floyd insanity spread across Northern Europe. Not just the Anglo sphere.

Chris Scott
Chris Scott
3 years ago

But why hasn’t the deaths of thousands of black men in Brazil provoked the same kind of outrage across Northern Europe? Or for that matter on the African continent.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Scott

Indeed, where is the outrage at the dozens of black men killed on the streets in Chicago every month. Some black lives apparently do not matter. As much.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Many more blacks-often children-are killed in Chicago alone every month, mostly by other blacks. Perhaps that photo op is not so effective for their cause? If they really cared about black lives they’d be rallying in Chicago every weekend and marching on the courthouses demanding change. No one with power represents those poor people. That’s why their BLM chant is empty. Only some Black lives really matter to them. Their actions prove that they don’t really care-they just want to appear empathetic without any cost. Back to the justice signaling proto again.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Tobye Pierce

Yes, they want a photo op. Then they’ve done their bit and off they can go, feeling very superior.

Natalija Svobodné
Natalija Svobodné
3 years ago

I think more likely they are victims of a very poor education system, who have been taught what they should think not how to think (reason and deduct)

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

I cannot speak for the US, but for UK you are spot on.

Terry M
Terry M
3 years ago

Worse here than in the UK. Teachers, and people more generally, have been cowed into mouthing the progressive mantras by coercion, cancel culture, and violence (see summer 2020 et seq). The so-called ‘tolerant progs’ are the most intolerant of any group I can remember.

clem alford
clem alford
3 years ago

Quite so. Nowadays when told someone is educated. I ask, whose education and what kind of education?

Natalija Svobodné
Natalija Svobodné
3 years ago

if PC was not really about protecting anyone, and really all about expressing one’s own moral superiority, PC credentials would be akin to what economists call a ‘positional good’
Positional good…Generally any coveted goods, which may be in abundance, that are considered valuable or desirable in order to display or change one’s social status when possessed by relatively few in a given community… In this case the goods are “Morality” And they think they are very special, paragons of virtue.

https://iea.org.uk/blog/the-economics-of-political-correctness?fbclid=IwAR3OCp4wjKu9p-9_XSoNFpNgDMGJ2yN0nBq8G53AqmbBZEsV5vTlwoPFTDE

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R Malarkey
R Malarkey
3 years ago

Like having a Communist membership card in Eastern Europe circa 1980.

Lee Floyd
Lee Floyd
3 years ago

How many of these people have we all seen, wandering around Cornwall?

Kate H. Armstrong
Kate H. Armstrong
3 years ago
Reply to  Lee Floyd

None from the perspective of this, quite engaged in community (scouts, choir, church and youth involvement perspective) family. Cornish youth appears to have an advantage on the rest of the UK. That is: the comprehension that Cornwall is FREE, unique and communitarian.

John Nutkins
John Nutkins
3 years ago

Good point.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago

The U.S. is a highly religious society (in comparison to Europe) and in such a culture virtue signaling is a common practice, not only to advertise one’s own goodness but to reassure the faithful and admonish the wicked. It has been going on since the Puritans got here. Black lives matter in America more than in Brazil because unlike Brazil America (the U.S., that is) is the city set upon a hill, the exceptional and exemplary nation, which must be improved and purified. It’s not just to draw attention to oneself but to affect one’s community; hence signaling. Not that we don’t have plenty of attention addicts, too, but they’re different.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

You seem to be missing a few bits of world history. Have there ever been better virtue signalers than the French? Even the Germans, who seem like they would be poor candidates for virtue signaling, like to do it. Witness Ms Merkel’s flinging the doors to the EU open to hundreds of thousands of poor, unemployed young men of distinctly non European background. Virtue signaling on a scale that an American could only dream of. Unless he or she were a democrat, of course.

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Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

You seem to have got to the point of believing any action not taken purely and obviously for self interest and that is known about by others is by definition virtue signalling. Including your comment and my reply.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

It’s sort of like p*rno, Mark. People know virtue signaling when they see it.

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Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

God protect the USA from the likes of Angela Merkel.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago

Well, when you’re running the Holy Roman Empire you’ve got to go the extra mile, league, or kilometer. But the French? I thought they kicked out all the Calvinists long since. As St. Oscar said, ‘The French don’t care what you do as long as you pronounce it correctly.’ Don’t tell me they, too, have now fallen prey to the American disease. What are the grim details of this débâcle?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Oh the French have been virtue signaling long before it was ever a thing in the US. Perhaps we caught it from them. In fact, their insistence on language purity is a form of virtue signaling.
Of course, you’ve likely heard the story of De Gaulle’s withdrawal of France from the NATO military command with accompanied demands for the removal of all US military personnel. Virtue signaling?
or perhaps the 2019 G7 meeting in Biarritz where Macron announced without warning that the summit should focus on the ’emergency’, the international crisis of climate change. “Our house is burning. Literally,” Macron squeaked in a tweet, even as he elsewhere accused Bolsonaro of lying to him about Brazil’s effort to combat climate change. Virtue signal much?
How about when Macron announced at Davos that he plans to close all of France’s coal-fired power plants by 2021. Do you know what percentage of its power France gets from coal?
And then of course there was all the French elite virtue signaling over Ms. Merkel’s forced open European borders. How did that virtue signaling work out?

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Establishment religion has become unfashionable among the woke, and I think they feel the loss of structure. All this is a replacement of religion for many people.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Tobye Pierce

It _is_ the religion. It even has an apocalyptic end-of-days scenario. Plus, because it makes few or no transcendental claims about supreme beings, you can combine it with other religions, unlike the Abrahamic religions whose god(s) is/are jealous. Go to church on Sunday, gas to work on Monday, contribute to the Environmental Defense Fund on Tuesday, take the knee for five minutes on Wednesday — what’s not to like? New and improved! Get with the program!

Terry M
Terry M
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Virtue signalling is simply performance virtue. True virtue has humility, which is sorely lacking amongst these types.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

SARS2 has made ”Star for 15 minutes” Worse with Zoom &virtual ‘Political interviews’ Wokeism is as pernicious As USA McCarthyis of 1950s but he died of Alcoholism soon after…

John McCarthy
John McCarthy
3 years ago

Yes, like Starmer and
Rayner in that infamous photo!

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Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago

I can tell at a glance that they are upper-middle-class East Coast Democrats. What they are doing in that photo is despicable.

thaisfmcorreia
thaisfmcorreia
3 years ago

Would any of them protest police killings in Brazil, which dwarf the US rate? Would any of them care?
Hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago

As a Brit, when I’ve visited Canada, New Zealand and Australia – it was always a bit like going to your cousin’s house. You spend time being jealous of their stuff (Australia’s beaches! The Canadian mountains and pristine wilderness! New Zealand’s kooky coolness!) and feel a bit smug about what Britain has (check out just how much history per square centimetre we have, ha!). Basically, you’re instantly on the same wavelength and feel related.
America was always a bit different. Sure, you felt related and couldn’t really get away from the music, the trends, and the culture all washing over to Britain. Yet America was the arm of the family that had really taken it to a whole new level. The uncle that’s been married five times, lived in a trailer, lived in a mansion – been and done all the extremes. Kind of fascinating but appalling at the same time. But always something to be admired in some way. A country you always felt inclined to follow – even if you grumbled a bit, trying to maintain a bit of the old British superiority (it’s colour, not color).
Now I look at America and I don’t think it’s worth following. For the first time, I feel pity for it. It seems lost, tired, unsure of its purpose. Britain seems like that too – but instead of looking to America for future direction, this is the time for Britain to stop hanging so much off the hem of America’s trousers, grow a pair and carve its own path. As the author says, unquestioningly following the US this time could have some really dark consequences.

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kathleen carr
kathleen carr
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

George Bernard Shaw did say England and America are two countries separated by a common language. According to writers such as Thomas Paine even in the 18th century German was the most common language in Colonial America and the present day America is a combination of lots of people who arrived in the last 150 years and generally nothing to do with Britain.Except their political elite (especially the presidents ) who usually have links with Britain and I think British middle-classes like to fool themselves that Britain is still important and has close links with America wheras in reality America has policies best suited to their own interests.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  kathleen carr

Or President Biden who classes himself as ‘Irish’ even though he’s probably never been to the ‘Auld country’ just like all of his ancestors going back several generations. I did read once there were around twice as many Irish in New York as there are Irish in the whole of Ireland. Go figure.

maddrell3
maddrell3
3 years ago

That’s down to the Great Hunger, though.

David Owsley
David Owsley
3 years ago

If they have ever eaten a potato they are Irish American.

George Stone
George Stone
3 years ago

Do you have to use these Americanisms? i.e.’go figure’

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  George Stone

Warning! Chip on shoulder showing.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  George Stone

“Go figure” is almost certainly from Yiddish (gay vays, ‘go (and) know, go figure (it out)’. See Mr. Safire if you doubt me.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

Biden has less ”Irish Ancestry” than myself,after the New York postal Fraud vote!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  kathleen carr

That’s a good point. It seems that the British sometimes assume that the US is far more British in cultural ways than it is. They seem surprised that it is so different to Britain, whereas Canada and Australia are more similar. Perhaps they are unaware that the US is not part of the commonwealth. I’m not sure why they have such a narrow view of the US, (certainly the US as a melting pot is well understood around the world), especially since so much of American culture is so obviously not derived from Britain. Even to expecting the US to follow British speech and spelling patterns when American English is far more prevalent around the world today than British English.

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Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago

Actually, a lot of American English speech patterns and word usages are preserved from the 18C, whereas ours have evolved. (Not better, just different.)

David Owsley
David Owsley
3 years ago

Agreed, ‘aluminum’ believe it or not is how it was!

David Platzer
David Platzer
3 years ago

The part of America I know best, Philadephia’s Main Line seemed quite British tho; rather in the way French aristocrats do tho’ both seem to immaculately smart in their tweeds and scarfs than the originals. I remember a second-hand bookshop in Bryn Mawr in a ramshackled house where one could find all treasures of Sitwells and the like and upper class memoirs, the works of Augustus Hare, back issues of Country Life and Apollo. Fox hunting was popular and there was a Devon Horse Show and the Merion Cricket Club. Edwardianism still survived there when I knew it. I like to think it may still does.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

Absolutely. And you can have tea every afternoon in some swanky hotels. Love the afternoon tea at the Drake in Chicago, quite an experience. Boston has its enclaves of old money as well, although there you’d find a more Irish tinge to the whole experience. But old Philly isn’t much of a cultural exporter, is it? For horse shows, you would have far better experiences anywhere in Kentucky or Florida, in Wellington, to be precise.
And of course, where in the US could you have anywhere near the American revolutionary experience you’d find in Philly? It practically drips with constitutional lore. (the Hudson River Valley would be a close second).
Philly itself is rather different than old Philly, of course. It’s a highly segregated city, with 44% black, 34% white, 8% asian and 15% latino. Bryn Mawr would fall solidly into the 34%.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago

Do any Brits travel west of the Mississippi, or through the heartland of the country? I live on a cattle ranch in Wyoming – it isn’t urban, or East Coast, or touristy or wealthy leisure class or Californicated. I’m American and I don’t recognize myself in most of what is said in this comment thread! I just find that humorous.

R Malarkey
R Malarkey
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

To be honest I’ve never really wanted to visit the US, but if I did, the cattle ranches and rural bits are where I’d want to go, definitely not the cities.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

Not many it seems. They do tend to stick to the coastal areas and Disneyland of course. No wonder they get weird ideas, eh?

David Platzer
David Platzer
3 years ago
Reply to  kathleen carr

America has always been touched by British culture from the great literature from Shakespeare on to the pop icons of the mid-twentieth century to such popular heroes from Sherlock Holmes to James Bond to Harry Potter.I don’t think even America’s home grown icons can quite match. The one great American achievement seems to me to be the jazz and Broadway standards, Cole Porter, the Gershwins, Kerns, Rodgers and others.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

“America has always been touched by British culture”
amd French culture and German culture and a Caribbean culture and South American culture and Chinese culture and Korean culture and Italian culture and Scandinavian culture and Spanish culture and Mexican culture and African culture and Indian culture etc etc etc

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Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

Aaah – you have forgotten our National Parks. Jazz is fun, but our conservation projects are incomparable.

David Platzer
David Platzer
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

I have forgotten the National Parks because, alas, I don’t know them. At any rate, Cole Porter was incomparable.

kathleen carr
kathleen carr
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

I suppose in his day Charlie Chaplin was about the most famous person in the world and his films are often about the immigrant experience. I was surprised watching early talkies like Dinner at 8.30 how ‘British’ most of the accents were except for Jean Harlow who is supposed to be a bit ‘common’. Eventually the new American with an ordinary accent was the hero ie Steve McQueen ,Bruce Willis etc wheras the Brits nowadays usually play the evil characters with posh voices.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  kathleen carr

Lately America’s politics have been taken over by the Woke mob. Their interests are being served-not America’s.

David Fitzsimons
David Fitzsimons
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

If I remember my Oor Wullie and The Broons annuals, our American cousins were boastful and brash, believing that size and volume are measures of ‘success’ and ‘value’, and while we were jealous at what they had, we also found them boorish.

clem alford
clem alford
3 years ago

Our Willie. I remember that Scottish character from childhood.

David Fitzsimons
David Fitzsimons
3 years ago
Reply to  clem alford

That’s my point. My generation were raised with certain attitudes to America – I’ve tried to describe the difference KE mentions.
Other generations will have different attitudes to America.
For what it’s worth, I have been to the USA many times and I loved it. But I feel my outlook on life is closer to my European friends and colleagues.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

I would say that works in reverse as well. Most Americans would not characterize their outlook on life as close to that of most Brits.

Giles Chance
Giles Chance
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

So what happened? I think the big moment was 2008, when the establishment stepped in to protect the rich and the super-rich. “Occupy Wall Street”, the mass movement which followed, was a cry of pain and anguish from ordinary Americans who felt that the system had been shown to be unfair, corrupt, and not really interested in any kind of equality – which, once, had been part of the American ethic. The American dream has gone. Now all you can see is obscene wealth in Manhattan (typified by the antics and possessions of the late Jeffrey Epstein) next to appalling poverty in most of the rest of the country, especially the deep South. The America model, once a beacon of hope, has gone. America has failed, and everyone can see it.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

I’m not too sure about that. One of the great pulls of America was always that it held the promise of (even) more freedom and – if you took risks and succeeded – obscene riches. The price tag on that unfettered freedom and entrepreneurial culture was the absence of a safety net. If you win in America, you win big – if you fail, you can fall far. What you describe above was not the failure of the American model – it was its logical consequence.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Well, that’s not quite true.
A groundbreaking study by Just Facts has discovered that after accounting for all income, charity, and non-cash welfare benefits like subsidized housing and food stamps, the poorest 20 percent of Americans consume more goods and services than the national averages for all people in most affluent countries. This includes the majority of countries in the prestigious Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), including its European members. In other words, if the US “poor” were a nation, it would be one of the world’s richest.
Notably, this study was reviewed by Dr. Henrique Schneider, professor of economics at Nordakademie University in Germany and the chief economist of the Swiss Federation of Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises. After examining the source data and Just Facts’ methodology, he concluded: “This study is sound and conforms with academic standards. I personally think it provides valuable insight into poverty measures and adds considerably to this field of research.”

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Well, that’s not quite true.
After accounting for all income, charity, and non-cash welfare benefits like subsidized housing and food stamps, the poorest 20 percent of Americans consume more goods and services than the national averages for all people in most affluent countries. This includes the majority of countries in the prestigious Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), including its European members. In other words, if the US “poor” were a nation, it would be one of the world’s richest.

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago

I’d need a source for that.

It’s interesting that a column on how the US politics is dangerous for Britain has brought the pro US posters out in force.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

You must be new here. The source is in the first link. Several sources in fact.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

It was color for the Pilgrim fathers when they left England.

A Spetzari
A Spetzari
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

Interestingly – even more recently – I noticed that a lot of the British war graves in Normandy have the mum spelt “mom”. I wonder if really it was interchangeable. Much like we tease them for saying ‘Soccer’ when actually it was our word originally too.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago
Reply to  A Spetzari

That would surprise me. Out of everyone I know in Britain, one person calls her mother “mom”. Everyone else says “mum”. I cannot believe that “mom” has ever been in widespread use in the UK.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

Did the Pilgrim fathers say “on accident” as well when they left? 😉

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
3 years ago
Reply to  Judy Johnson

Judy Johnson, I think you’re incorrect here. If you check Shakespeare’s plays in facsimile (as I’ve just been doing), they have colour and its derivatives with the -our orthography more or less throughout, though of course, in 1620, spelling was only partly standardised (or, if you prefer, standardized). Even in the the late 18th century, most US spellings resembled British ones. Their current spellings (color, plow, theater, etc, were part of a conscious simplification of historic spelling patterns introduced by Noah Webster into his celebrated dictionary: he was a great supporter of the Revolution, and for him, British dominance was reflected in what he thought of as the unreasonable spelling system (if it can be called a system) of the language. So he simply changed them.

maddrell3
maddrell3
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

You certainly don’t need to follow so-called ‘American progressives’ – just keep in mind that better than half the country thinks they’re so far ’round the bend they’re on Pluto. The rest of us hope there’s a war-free solution.

robincamu
robincamu
3 years ago
Reply to  maddrell3

So true … I”m part of the ‘better than half the country that’s hoping that there is a war-free solution”. The problem is one side has made no bones about the fact that they want war.

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Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Excellent comment! As an American, traveling to those same countries, I felt like the 3rd cousin, slightly envious of the cozy familiarity between the 1st cousins.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

Probably best that we keep that illegal in the US.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago

Not THAT cozy! 🙂

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

I am an American and couldn’t agree more. Save for Covid we would leave. The identity politics bathed culture is rotting the public discourse and everyday life. It is not fun. It’s not moral or principled.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

And it’s not the majority of citizens engaging in identity politics either. Power has been tenuously seized by an unscrupulous group of progs who are in the act of overreach. Since the attack on Cuomo, the Golden boy, I think we may have reached the “eating our own” part of the revolution sooner than we could have hoped. Stay tuned for new developments…

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Living right next door to them I heartily concur. America is many things, containing as it does multitudes. I am often impressed by the warmth and generosity of individual Americans when I visit, but am never entirely comfortable until I get back over the border again.
It helps to remember that as currently constructed it is a series of islands of unparalleled wealth in a sea of socioeconomic privation.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Colin Haller

That’s an interesting comment. In Canada, the poverty rate is 14%. In the US it’s 10.5%.

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago

You would be better served not to damage your credibility so thoroughly by making up statistics. The Canadian poverty rate is 8.7% for the most recent year available from Stats Canada.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Katharine Eyre

Although I have nothing against Americans, they can suffer from ”Irritable vowel syndrome”……………

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

A very good article with which I wholly concur. Over the last 20 years – since 9/11 – the Americans have indeed blundered toxically and malignantly, time and again. Trump was a brief respite and did not start any new wars or expand any existing conflicts, but even he appointed the lunatic war monger John Bolton as Secretary of State for a while.
So inept has the US been that they have driven Russia into an alliance with China, China is making huge investments in Iran, making nice with Saudi, and ‘running the table’ in Africa, to quote The Duran. Biden also calls Putin a killer when the US has killed far more people than Russia for no reason over the last 20 years, many of them when Biden was vice-president.
So deranged are the progressives in the US that they supported keeping the troops in Afghanistan and Syria etc simply because Trump wanted to remove them. (Prettify much every member of Congress and the Senate voted to prevent Trump bringing the troops home). These people are utterly deranged, and very dangerous.

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Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Opposition to Trump certainly created a lot of odd effects. Pure hatred is usually irrational leading to irrational acts.

Noah Ebtihej Sdiri
Noah Ebtihej Sdiri
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

American “progressives” are in favor of a complete withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. They also support slashing US defense spending. Just look at commentators like Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski.
What you are refering to are the “liberals” that occupies the center of the American political spectrum. Biden and co. are hardly progressive on economic issues. The current US administration is filled with former lobbyists, many of whom used to work for Big Tech giants or the military industrial complex.
Foreign policy-wise, American progressives are closer to Trumpian nationalists than they are from their Democratic brethens.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

The progs are in charge now-c’mon man!-Biden is gaga and doing their bidding, he has no real agency. They are determined to keep troops in the east-Trump wanted to bring them all home but they would have none of it.

tom.brennan2
tom.brennan2
3 years ago

What gets me is that everybody knows the name of criminal who was unjustly killed by a policeman in the US but very few know the name of a French teacher who was beheaded in the middle of Paris, in broad daylight, in the pursuit of enlightenment by a murderous religious zealot. The first provoked a massive over reaction while the second barely caused any reaction at all. Sad ain’t the word.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  tom.brennan2

Excellent comment sir. The second probably earned little more than a lone short paragraph tucked on an inside page of the Guardian. Disgraceful isn’t the word

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Why make such a claim as ‘probable’ when a minimal amount of research would prove or (as is in fact the case) disprove it?

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Occasionally people speak figuratively

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Ah! So you were just ‘joking’!

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

No, Mr Weir, there is a difference between hyperbole and joking. Mr Thomson is noting the rather large discrepancy between the media coverage of the two incidents (George Floyd and Samuel Paty, and the public response to them.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Without the Daily Mail Americans would miss out on a lot of news-about things in their own country, no less That teacher was killed by a group under their protection, so “nothing to see here” is their mantra. The dearth of real journalism in the US is appalling. And these people set themselves up as superior to others via their constant injustice collecting.

Sean Meister
Sean Meister
3 years ago
Reply to  tom.brennan2

Modern Historians when they talk about such clear disparities in 1930s Germany would ascribe the suppression and promotion of either case a clear example of massive subversive propaganda. Funnily enough I don’t think many want to make that case in this situation, one has to wonder why.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

1930’s propaganda in Germany would have interpreted the killing of black or Jewish men men by the Police as justified on the grounds of their innate racial inferiority and threat to the Aryan Nation. Is that what you mean?

Frank Nixson
Frank Nixson
3 years ago
Reply to  tom.brennan2

Not really sure he was murdered. Evidence seems to point to death by a self-administered fentanyl overdose.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  Frank Nixson

Additionally, I’m not really sure it was an act of racism. Where is the evidence of blatant racism, other than the coincidence that Chauvin has light skin and Floyd had dark skin? Do a quick search of ‘Tony Timpa’… he died in almost identical circumstances, but nobody noticed because the skin colors weren’t convenient political tools.

David Platzer
David Platzer
3 years ago
Reply to  Beth Branson

Floyd was not a martyr but a brutish, doped-up crimimal whom no one other than a suicidal masochist would wish to meet.

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago
Reply to  David Platzer

Agreed. And now his family is rich to the tune of $27 million. That could start an unfortunate trend.

Monty Marsh
Monty Marsh
3 years ago
Reply to  Frank Nixson

Twice the dose of fentanyl normally considered to be lethal. On top of that I think they found a cocktail of other drugs including crystal meth.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
Reply to  tom.brennan2

In the USA, we STILL haven’t been told the name of the policeman who shot Ashley Babbitt in the Capital on Jan 6. Funny that. No guns were found on protesters, yet the Democrats led by Pelosi & Schumer strung up FOUR miles of fencing and concertina wire around the building as if waiting for hoards and hoards of Qanon folks who exist only in theses daft politicians heads. We are lost.

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Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  tom.brennan2

Excellent point. No French lives matter signs? No teachers lives matter signs? No white lives matter? With many Brits saying that they feel culturally closer to mainland Europe than to the US, why no sloganeering for Mr Paty? How thick on the ground and persistent were families of beach kneelers with Je Suis Charlie signs? Few signs of solidarity, quickly subsumed.

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Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

Eh?
The problem is too many brits feel aligned with the US which is why they did all that stupid kneeling and had no interest in samuel paty.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  tom.brennan2

Its appalling.

I can’t stand.

Andrew Raiment
Andrew Raiment
3 years ago

I read a comment somewhere on social media that described this behaviour as “Cosplay for the middle classes”, captures it perfectly in my opinion.
I do wish we could do away with the term “virtue signalling”, I think virtue narcissism is far more appropriate.

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Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

Cosplay for the middle classes – hilarious

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

What exactly is ‘cosplay’? It sounds even more dispiriting than Coldplay. Is it short for ‘costume play’ or something like that, a little like LARPing?

Andrew Raiment
Andrew Raiment
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

“Is it short for ‘costume play’ or something like that, a little like LARPing?”.

Yes it is, more in terms of dressing up as your favourite comic book or Sci Fi character when attending conventions. Not something I would do but it is very popular with Gen Z.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

Thanks. I will now dress up as Dennis the Menace when I go a-doxxing. That’s ‘doxxing’, not dogging.

George Stone
George Stone
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

Are you sure that you would not do that, even though your name is raiment?

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Think of the apocryphal story of Marie Antoinette dressed as a shepherdess.

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

Middle class LARPers or Live Action Role Players is along much the same lines.

Fraser Bailey used it on here the other day, much to my amusement.

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Alex Wilkinson
Alex Wilkinson
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

‘Virtue narcism’ is better, yeah. Wonderful when language encapsulates a thing so perfectly.

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Sean Meister
Sean Meister
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

The reason why “virtue signalling” is a good term is because it accurately describes this behaviour as a sign of moral superiority to the ingroup. Which is to say I actually don’t think it is narcissism. It’s just midwits behaving in a way they believe they actively should. Everyone in their midwit cohort all give them praise for behaving as such so it’s just for social conformity reasons. Of course this is aligning with a malign influence by Elites who are only happy for such nonsense to continue. The midwit is too smart, but also too stupid, to realise this.
 

George Stone
George Stone
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

You should read Orwell’s essays, where he outlines that intellectuals, in general, don’t see what is correct that the ordinary man, in general, understands as obvious.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

Maybe ‘Virtue Signallers’ are doing. The ‘Village people’ YMCA dance?..

Monty Marsh
Monty Marsh
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Raiment

Vanity signalling?

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
3 years ago

This latest incarnation of the Civil Rights movement seems hell-bent on squandering the moral legitimacy of their previous leaders like Martin Luther King.
How do people who claim to speak for progressive attitudes justify shifting the argument from Dr King’s dream of a future where people are judged according to their character rather than the colour of their skin, to the point where these activists are calling for PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE? That you are defined, as a person, solely by the groups to which you belong.
To abandon the call for universalism in favour of separatism is surely a retrograde step. Surely? That point seems so incontestable to me that I am utterly baffled how “progressives” can think their present strategy could possible be advancing the cause of equality.
The earlier Civil Rights movement benefitted hugely from being led by decent people fighting for a noble and worthy cause. Whilst many who support BLM and Antifa (I’m sure) do so for noble and worthy reasons, I fear they are being duped, because those who are driving these movements are not in the Equality business, they are in the Grievance business.
BLM and Antifa have noisy activists, but no actual leaders. This pretty much tells you that they are not committed to a noble end – that the “fight” is more important than achieving progress.
I’ve heard these activists proudly claim to be ‘a leaderless movement’.
Great. Let’s say you’re the PM, you’ve seen the protests, you’re persuaded that a change in policy is worth discussing and so you agree to a meeting – but who do you meet?
Do you step out onto the balcony and address the throng below? Do you agree to “Welease Woger” only to have the crowd taunt you?
Movements need leaders. They need someone who can hone and deliver the message, they need someone who can articulate the problem and proffer a solution, they need someone who can negotiate, they need someone behind whom the crowd can coalesce.
A movement without a leader is just a rabble. If a movement doesn’t have a leader then the rabble will get a rabble rouser, someone who fires up the more volatile elements among the crowd and before you know it windows are broken, cars are on fire and any legitimate concerns of the movement are lost in a cloud of tear gas.
Leaderless movements have no chance of success …. they can only lead to mob action.
If you support that you are merely a nihilist. A rebel without a clue, and without a chance of bringing about whatever change your protest was hoping to achieve.
We have imported not only a hopelessly skewed and divisive message from America, but a movement that has no hope of achieving equality – because at heart that is not what it is about.
Yet the media seem terrified of calling this out – thus we see almost universally positive reporting of a dangerous and divisive movement. As we saw in the US last year as cities burned in “Mostly peaceful protests”.

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John Nutkins
John Nutkins
3 years ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Well said.

David Owsley
David Owsley
3 years ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Excellent comment.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Exactly.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
3 years ago

“…Because our middle class desperately ape everything they read in the New York Times, or watch on Netflix, so America’s history and discourse is transferred onto ours, a form of cultural imperialism that our leaders are too conformist to resist…”

Haven’t you got this flipped the wrong way round? The rise of a loud and muscular left leaning academia and of the Quad illustrates. A European style left now seems pervasive across the US, which would have been unthinkable just a couple of decades ago. I can only conclude it is the Europhilia of a generation of American intellectuals, addicted to and envious of the European Pandora’s box of dingbat political traditions, from communism to fascism and everything in-between, that is the cause. Americans are always keen to show they can do everything bigger than the Europeans – including political batso.

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Kelly Mitchell
Kelly Mitchell
3 years ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Not sure I totally agree, but I love this answer!

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
3 years ago
Reply to  Kelly Mitchell

🙂

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

He is definitely not the wrong way around. The racial ideologies of the US are home grown. Critical race theory is entirely a US phenomenon ie from wiki.

“ Critical race theory (CRT) is an academic movement made up of civil-rights scholars and activists in the United States who seek to critically examine the law as it intersects with issues of race, and to challenge mainstream liberal approaches to racial justice.[1] CRT examines social and cultural issues as they relate to race, law, and social and political power.[2][page needed][3] ”

The European left, while anti racist, is largely class driven. I am not seeing much Europhilia in the anti white sentiments of the American academy either, unless bashing Beethoven is to be considered pro European. And it’s clear that countries more influenced by the US – the Anglo sphere and Northern Europe are where this fetid ideology has taken root in Europe, during the BLM moral panic the number of Columbus statues attacked in Spain and Italy is zero.

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Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

No the USA’s racial puritanism and zealotry is purely American.
Noting like that in Europe.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

I suppose it’s human nature to blame others for one’s problems. As an American, I am well aware of the toxins within our country, how what began as outrage theater on a few obscure college campuses has now gone mainstream and threatens to infect broader society. But no one forced the rest of you on that bandwagon and I’d suggest you start fighting your way to the exit.
Some of that is occurring here. Movements like these only know one way – continuous expansion, often past the point of any logic and common sense. When people declare math itself to be racist, those are not serious people and they should not be taken seriously. Our problem is one a society so affluent that first-world problems are treated as existential threats.
Too many people have neither the self-awareness nor the ability to contextualize events so they’re left with referring to those unlike them as N a z i s. Not long ago, this used to be referred to as Godwin’s Law and signaled the point where a person’s argument had jumped the tracks. Calling people racist became so overused that ‘white supremacists’ was removed from mothballs in order to keep the grift going. And it is a gift. Grievance is an industry and a particularly obnoxious one.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Yes, ‘math as racists’ is pure rubbish but then the Music Department at Oxford (UK) trumped us and stated that ‘musical notation’ was racist as well…there are many viruses circulating aside from Covid.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

I know, right-sheet music is RACIST! Math is RACIST! These are crazy people in charge of the madhouse.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

It’s unbearable,
Ultimately yes the UK is at fault for importing it.

But brits need to wake up to it and stop being so unreflectively pro American.

The US woke left is poisonous and toxic

William Gladstone
William Gladstone
3 years ago

Enoch Powell was right about America destroying the British Empire, but frankly as a normal citizen of the UK what the US brought was life changing technological advance on a scale that Britain and Germany could not match and that consumerism and democracy (that was obviously also about placating communist urges) and later freedom of thought and speech led to an amazing standard of living and hope for the future. All that peaked at the end of the cold war but obviously for the world elites they wanted the consumerism but not the annoying democracy and freedom of thought or speech and so they have slowly been eroded whilst the rise of china has optimised the consumerism.
Its not America’s fault, it is the fault of the worlds super rich regardless of where they are. We basically have a world government run by oligarch’s who want to keep their wealth and make sure people know their place and pesky things such as democracy get in the way and they have a number of strategies to do that, “racism” being one. Also see Pandemics and “climate change”

Beth Branson
Beth Branson
3 years ago

Excellent comment! ‘Equity’ is obviously not a viable solution… What to do about the wealth gap and $ oligarchs?

Monty Marsh
Monty Marsh
3 years ago

We are also at a stage of technological advancement which is no doubt troubling to both the powerful western elite, and those abroad who seek to corrupt them. Something unsettling is in the air.
So far we have all accepted the limitations of representative democracy, and the party systems, which leaves voters with loads of things they never voted for, and none of the things they did want. All decided by horse-trading among “representatives” who each treat the electorate as an occasional necessary obstacle course.
Thorny issues are dealt with by leaving them out of manifestos altogether, or keeping the details deliberately opaque. Then there are those issues where a PM does something none of us want because while prancing about on the world stage, he signed us up to some international treaty that we don’t want, but burnishes his “statesman” halo beautifully.
But what if we had direct democracy? What if we voted for detailed legislation, not people? Electronic voting on a secure terminal, at home? The technology for that is already feasible. Would need lots of security features but it could be done, with far less fraud than our current shambles.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Monty Marsh

There is no such thing as a “secure terminal at home”-or anywhere. Make it easier for your vote to be manipulated, go electronic. More citizen involvement is a good idea though-more Brexit type votes may be better for everyone. Let people determine detailed legislation on big items-the time has come for everyone to be more hands on when possible.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

For pandemics and climate change I’d put neoliberal capitalism and conservatism.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

This is very true, The problem is global-the suffering is local.

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago

Look, the fact that many in the UK essentially choose to uncritically ‘import’ this nonsense wholesale isn’t the fault of the USA.

It’s not like we’ve signed a legally binding trade deal whereby they get Downton Abbey and Scotch whisky and we get largely confected racial grievance and Coca-Cola in return.

The fact is that the story of ‘race’ is a very, very different one from that that exists in the UK and Europe, and really bares little comparison.

What is telling is that we’re allowing certain sections of our society to exploit this position without ever seriously questioning their motives as to why.

Yes, there is the often less than glorious European colonial element to consider, but the people from ethnic minorities in this country originally predominantly arrived here relatively recently and voluntarily unlike black Africans in the United States and this, coupled with centuries of defined segregationist laws whose effects often well outlasted their legally enshrined emancipation clearly has an understandable effect on informing the race debate in America.

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Adam Huntley
Adam Huntley
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

Facebook is culpable though. Click on something of interest and its algorithm will then feed you plenty of other stuff with the same ideological slant (with paid advertising of course). And so the polarisation of thought gathers apace.

Chris Wheatley
Chris Wheatley
3 years ago

Most of us are proud to be British most of the time but we know we are a long way past our best. Our systems are quaint, barely work and we routinely criticise everything from the weather to the BBC to our transport systems.

I worked with Americans for 10 years and I got bored with flags, with the biggest steaks in the world, with the best cars (surely a joke), with the best planes (Hm, Boeing?). When my colleagues visited our customers in Europe, they couldn’t handle metric units or other currencies or our cars or anything.

After a few pints I heard that the toilets in our hotels weren’t as good as American toilets, that the shingles on roofs of buildings weren’t as good as American shingles and (over and over), “I’m proud to be American.”.

If you are told from the first days of your life that the USA is the best country in the world, you get to believe it. So you can’t react properly when it all comes falling down. As it is now. Ultimately, the only end must be war.

Giles Chance
Giles Chance
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Wheatley

I fear you may be right, but I most sincerely hope you are not.

Jeff Mason
Jeff Mason
3 years ago

As an American all I can do quote Monty Python. “Run away! Run away!” Progressive fundamentalism is destroying our country, don’t let it destroy yours. Our progressives rail against global warming from their private jets. Our athletes preach to us about their struggle as they get in their Ferrari outside their beach front mansions. Now we have ‘white guilt’ inspired pundits who want to pass out money to poor families – so long as they are not poor and white, and openly attest that “all whites are racist;” a statement that is, in itself, racist. Our society was closer to being ‘color blind’ (now a racist term somehow) in the 1970s. Now it’s more racist and simply insane. Do not emulate us.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Mason

Have you forgotten Eric Idle (Monty python series 2,I think) Questioning ‘Karl marx’ for the prize of a Fridge?…

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Mason

Watch the “us’, kemo sabe. Most of us are victims of the woke mentality perpetrated on a peaceful society by these supposed “elites”. I don’t agree it’s more racist, I don’t think most people are racist at all-progs are insisting on it! But it is simply insane-that’s part of the crazy.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Mason

Hi Jeff,

Its too late i fear Britain will follow all that bs.

Im hoping France does a better job of rejecting it.

As an Englishman I’m hoping somewhere in the continent all avoid all that nonsense.And I’ll relocate there.

Pierre Pendre
Pierre Pendre
3 years ago

America is far more radical than the European norm
Hysterical rather than radical though I’m willing to compromise with either radically hysterical or hysterically radical. I suppose they inherited it from the fallout of the English Reformation and the profusion of interpretations of true religion that followed, together with the emigration of the Puritans. When in doubt, blame the English I always say.
But I think it’s wrong to tar all of America with either radicalism or hysteria which are the redoubts of the élites, mainly in the academy, the media and corporate America. Unfortunately, being elites, they wield enormous power to pretend to represent all America.
I don’t recognise these people among any of the many Americans I have known with the exception of one young man who seemed to think his liberalism validated him as a person which seemed pathetic.
Is it amusing or tragic when liberal/progressive America, which regards itself as the heir to the victims of McCarthy, behaves like McCarthy at his most unhinged and dogmatic?
A refusal to kneel before the gods of blackness is as unamerican as believing that Alger Hiss was guilty.
The American left is riding a black tiger unleashed by George Floyd but it’s really all about them and self-absolution. Black lives matter but forgiving themselves is more important. It’s hard not to watch this without disgust.
How much guilt should the little girl kneeling in the photograph with her “Black Lives Matter” placard actually feel? Is she being abused rather than enlightened by having to take part in this self-abasement beach charade with her bewildered brother and scowling parents?
America’s élites are prone to bouts of extremism – in which I would include George Bush’s mission to democratise the world so its not just a left wing thing – which come and go as McCathy did and unmitigated fealty to BLM will.
America has a race problem but blacks play their part in perpetuating it and the solution will be found at the centre rather than the extremes.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Pierre Pendre

Well said.
Hopefully france does a better job of rejecting this hysteris

Giles Chance
Giles Chance
3 years ago

I am an adjunct professor at an American Ivy League university, and I go there every year for several months, to teach. So I am up to date with the American political scene. With that background, I applaud this article and totally agree with it. I have been struggling since about 2010 with my American sympathies, but in the last year or two have come firmly down on the “anti-” side – just like the author of this piece. America has become a truly awful place, full of intolerance and violence, with both (or many) sides screaming at each other, and worse. “Ordinary” Americans themselves are finding it impossible to preserve their traditional warmth and good-naturedness. Anyone sensible is being drowned out by the noise, amplified by the media. An expression of this can be found in my area of special interest, which is China. Here we find the ground being prepared for World War 3, in the context of a life or death struggle for global hegemony. It was a big ask to expect America to accept China’s inevitable rise, but America hasn’t and isn’t, and China has now become the number 1 hate object of the American Right. But America will find China a much harder nut to crack than Iran, Iraq or even Soviet Russia. I just hope that peace can be preserved, but I’m not very optimistic.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

“Ordinary” Americans themselves are finding it impossible to preserve their traditional warmth and good-naturedness.
Since you are regularly on an Ivy campus, has it never dawned on you why this is? You are surrounded by the cancer that has thoroughly infected academia and is now branching out into the rest of society. No, America is a whole is not “full of intolerance and violence.” That largely belongs to one side of the political spectrum and even people who still call themselves liberals know it.
The wound is self-inflicted but the source is plainly obvious and attempts to couch it in “both sides” pabulum woefully misses the mark. Cancel culture, doxxing, the perpetual violence in places like Portland and Seattle are not evidence of ‘both sides’ losing their minds. Frankly, this side was born and nurtured at places like the one where you teach. The inmates were given run of the asylum and predictably, encouraging them has led to more of the same.

Ron Wigley
Ron Wigley
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Absolutely correct, it started with the elites who are creating asylums everywhere.

Giles Chance
Giles Chance
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

I think you’re right, but it doesn’t alter the awfulness or the trend, because the Ivies and their peers (Johns Hopkins, NYU, UCLA, Chicago and Berkeley, for example) are important thought leaders in American society.

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Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

Maybe at one time but not so much these days. People are onto the whole thing. I do agree with you that colleges are bastions of intolerance. And the Ivies are in cities basking in violence.
Try getting out into the country, leave the coasts, talk to people not in academia. You don’t have any experience with the “American right” on a college campus. Try actually meeting some republicans and conservatives.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

But they are minority and don’t have as much economic power.

Let’s face it, the face of modern USA is s shrill hateful anti racism zealot pushing “crt” demanding white self flagellation and wanting to destroy heretics.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Agreed. Liberals and The Left have abandoned all civility. A majority won’t have anyone not another Liberal as a friend. Humor is out, banned considered subversive on the Left. Sad indeed. Yet, bump into any Republican and they will be as open and friendly as ever.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

This sadly true. They even attack their own families. It’s a sickness and we need a cure. But it’s the progressives causing the problems-classical liberals now have more in common with conservatives than the progressive side.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

Dear Fellow, time for an update; The American Right is not in power at the moment; It is Biden who declared Putin to be a ‘killer’ unnecessarily publicly and then went on to stupidly publicly berate the Chinese compliments of Secretary Blinken’s insulting opening statement at the Alaska meetings. Personally, I cheered on the Chinese’s 20 minute rant exposing the blowhard Biden Administration. It’s Amateur Hour here in the USA.

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michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

The Chinese delegate – ‘Tiger’ Yang said this:-
‘The U.S. is NOT QUALIFIED to address China from a position of strength.’
Your move Secretary Blinkfirst if you can raise your president from his nap.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  michael harris

What move would he have? The Chinese just said the same things the left and democrats have been saying for years. It was total checkmate.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

I did too. But the US delegation seemed shocked that anyone would have taken everything they had been saying about the US seriously. I guess they thought the Chinese would understand that they don’t really believe what they say about the US.

Adam Huntley
Adam Huntley
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

I learned this myself on Linkedin. Come the late afternoon US was waking up and it was also the time the woke warriors would see it their business to track down and comments on race to set to with abuse. I was often baffled because it bore no relation to anything I had actually written. And then I’d see it had come from someone in some area of the US I’d never heard of.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

“I am an adjunct professor at an American Ivy League university,”
this explains 99% of your views.

Natalija Svobodné
Natalija Svobodné
3 years ago

Giles writes…” I applaud this article and totally agree with it. (to paraphrase) Their political culture is poisonous, and America’s progressive fundamentalists are a bigger threat to Britain, and to Europe”
I would suggest 99% of his views are very similar to all freedom and equality loving individuals!

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Natalija Svobodné
Natalija Svobodné
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

Well said Giles!
It’s the traditional warmth and good-naturedness that I miss the most too! Let’s hope brighter days after the storm.

Neil Mcalester
Neil Mcalester
3 years ago

When historians look back at this period it will be identity politics and social media that destroyed western civilisation, both spawned in the USA.

Paul Ansell
Paul Ansell
3 years ago
Reply to  Neil Mcalester

Agreed and Unherd published a great article on Social Media Conditioning.
In essence those born around Y2K have never known a world without social media and have become conditioned to agreeing with the orthodoxy of PC / BLM / Woke or suffering the consequences. If you even upvote an article that goes against the mob orthodoxy, you will be on the receiving end of malicious, threatening responses from all over the globe. That is the immediate threat, going forward, the “offensive” post you upvoted can come back to bite you years later.
I believe that in large part this answers the question of how these politics came to be so pervasive.

Jon Walmsley
Jon Walmsley
3 years ago
Reply to  Neil Mcalester

That and the nukes.

Cheryl Jones
Cheryl Jones
3 years ago

It’s hard to disgaree wth this article, I recognise exactly what Ed West is saying and think there is much truth in it. But I would STILL prefer the Yanks over the Mullahs any day of the week and twice on Sunday. My impulse isn’t to cheer for America’s enemies – it is to fervently wish America regains its collective sanity and rejects the identity politics poison that is infecting it right now – as I fervently hope the British will as well.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Cheryl Jones

Absolutely. Americans and Brits must lead the charge against Groupthink in all it’s forms.

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago

I suspect that much of the U.K. “virtue signalling” is a result of their mobile phones being sprayed with “What”s Trending” content from Facebook, Twitter etc.
It doesn’t take much math(s) to know that “todays fashionable cause” is approximately 10 times more likely to come from the USA.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

And twenty times more likely to come from our MSM

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
3 years ago

“…But if European liberalism think America hegemony is oppressive, wait till they see what follows…”

Is there any way to arrange matters such that they get to experience this at a safe distance from the rest of us, while we grab the popcorn?

Adam Huntley
Adam Huntley
3 years ago

It was because of US ideology that the Sussexes, and their expensive Public Relation team, were able to pull off the biggest marketing con of the decade.
Critical Race Theory had decreed that the Monarchy are the pinnacle of race and class structures. So straightaway the opposing members the Royal Family were damned. No amount of news stories showing William with black friends was going to prove otherwise. Harry on the other hand, had escaped this by “going on a journey“ and acknowledging his “white privilege”. He had effectively been granted absolution.
Markle was now flame proof. Any criticism or questioning of her motives,  is now seen as further confirmation of the racist nature of white UK society. Add into this the polarising effect of social media and you have a ready-made customer base who is going to tribally defend you. And of course, they will also be the first ones in the queue to buy their subscriptions to Spotify and Netflix.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Adam Huntley

There is nothing currently more nauseating than the Markle and her prince. #teampiers

Natalija Svobodné
Natalija Svobodné
3 years ago

The west doesn’t educate their children in history, Europe does only a little better…Id recommend THOMAS SOWELL – THE REAL HISTORY OF SLAVERY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWrfjUzYvPo
The west needs to regain faith in itself, with leaders that stand for human rights equality regardless of sex, race, creed. (Every other iteration is not true equality) Equality of opportunity, merit based rewards.

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Monty Marsh
Monty Marsh
3 years ago

It is true Natalija that western schoolchildren are given a very selective curriculum regards slavery. There should be greater contextual information regards the ubiquitous nature of the trade, the almost two thousand year history, the eastern trade as well as the western, the role of powerful African tribal leaders who were actually capturing the slaves (often as the spoils of war), the Corsairs, the export of male eunuchs and female concubines to the Arabian peninsula, Iraq, Iran, and the Zenj rebellion. Then there is the anti-slavery actions carried out by the Royal Navy, the Sudan conflict etc. The continuing scourge of slave trading in Africa in the present day, and the inability of governments to stamp it out.
It’s a huge subject, and it involves rather a lot of gory details that parents probably would not want their children hearing about.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago

Amen to that.

Jonathan Weil
Jonathan Weil
3 years ago

The irony is that the “American” ideology that is now supposedly poisoning European politics (and I don’t disagree) is actually European in origin. I recall Robert Conquest’s anecdote of a French friend saying that a single French intellectual could wreak more havoc on American culture than all the Hollywood movies and Big Macs in the world could corrupt the French. He was referring to Foucault, Derrida et al. Americans, he said, were too naïve to realise that French post-modernism was an intellectual game, not meant to be taken too seriously. Now, thirty years on, here were are… and so the world turns…

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Weil

And the French are now complaining that the US is exporting the post-modern nonsense back to them.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Yes, the irony is biting.

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan Weil

And 30 years before them German neo-marxism through Adorno after he fled Europe for New York and then California.

Alison Houston
Alison Houston
3 years ago

Good article, your sense is returning. Thanks be to God.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Alison Houston

I wonder how long it will take for your response to be censored? Time now 0809 BST.

John Lamble
John Lamble
3 years ago

My admiration of the U.S.certainly survived early tours in the 70s although even then it was disturbing to find myself sharing greyhound buses with manifestly very ill people.
Oddly, the thing that got me very concerned about American politics was the persecution (I use the term advisedly) of Richard Nixon. It turned out that Kennedy was anything but the boyish saint of mythology but that was kept under wraps by the ‘liberal’ media. Nixon’s offence was trivial and in most respects he was a good president. It’s just gone on and on from there, culminating in the completely risible choice of a manifestly senile old buffer like Biden who is just a stalking horse for a socialist takeover.
But don’t get me started on the American so-called ‘justice’ system. What a very bad joke that is…

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  John Lamble

Yes, the media has been complicit for decades. This has been a long time coming…

tony deakin
tony deakin
3 years ago

So we see nice, elderly Liberal Democrats voters in suburban Oxfordshire kneeling outside their homes in absurd imitation of American sportsmen protesting about a police shooting….
I’m perplexed about this ‘copy-cat’ performative type of thing Ed and I’ve never voted Conservative (nor likely to).

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Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  tony deakin

Same,I’m not a conservative voter and i hate all the phoney kneeling

David Uzzaman
David Uzzaman
3 years ago

America has many faults but it is currently the dominant culture in the world. We should do what we can to preserve our separate identity but not kid ourselves that we can totally avoid its influence. It won’t be top dog forever but to be honest the possible contenders are all much worse.

Giles Chance
Giles Chance
3 years ago
Reply to  David Uzzaman

I don’t agree with your statement that “the possible contenders are much worse”. You obviously haven’t subjected yourself to American culture in the recent past.

Simon Baggley
Simon Baggley
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

Well there is only one contender – will it really be better culturally superior under their dominance

Sean Meister
Sean Meister
3 years ago

The idea that Britain has naïvely fallen for the US’ malign influence is in of itself quite innocent. The US Elites are well aware of what they’re doing and exporting it worldwide is an explicit policy of theirs. This is nothing new as it has been the case since the Neo-Conservative ascendency of the late-1970s (these Elites HATED Nixon for a reason).

This is no conspiracy, just look at what the US State Department demanded of Serbia last year to “normalise” relations (bearing in mind the US literally killed Serbian civilians only 3 decades ago). They demanded Gay Pride parades and official moves from Serbia to recognise and protect LGBT people.

That’s not the act of a nation that is emanating its values naturally and of others who simply absorb the culture due to its dominance. Make no mistake: we are under constant cultural, social and political attack from the United States.

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Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

You are welcome to fight back against those excesses. It’s not like we Americans are on board with all of this stupidity, so join us.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

Exactly how we feel in the states. It’s disgusting to foist your cultural views on others, and no one here voted for Gay Pride parade requirements. I guess it’s too much to expect them to refuse and show some independence-they signed the deal, after all. It’s not Americans who are the enemy, it’s the global elites. We must resist them.

steve eaton
steve eaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Sean Meister

Sean, has it occurred to you that the “Elite” have no fealty to the US or any other country?
What the elite seek in the end game is a one world politic where they rule the whole and where the rest of the population has been pared down to the point where only enough people to serve their needs are allowed to breed and only the most suitable will be allowed to survive.
I suspect that in the end, these few survivors will be wearing jump suits color coded by function and living in dormitories, not allowed to venture into the countryside so as not to spoil the natural beauty for the Masters.

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago

Fraser Bailey (below in the thread) says The US has been going wrong since 9/11. I do agree.
9/11 may well have been the equivalent event for US power to the wipeout of the legions in the Teutobergerwald. Probably more devastating since it was seen live and unmediated.
The deep trauma caused by that day has not yet been quantified. But two opposite reactions are clear.
Blind, lashing, and ineffective revenge (Iraq, Afghanistan).
Suicide. The embrace of CRT and all that goes with it. The desire to kill our own civilisation before ‘they’ do it to us.

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Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  michael harris

I think CRT and BLM etc would probably have happened irrespective of 9/11 and all the insanities of Iraq etc. It has been on the march through the institutions for many decades. And, as I point out, those who slammed Bush for sending the troops in, ended up attacking Trump for bringing them out. These people are incapable of reason.
I believe that 9/11 should have been followed by a ‘conscious uncoupling’ of East and West. However, with a bozo like Bush in office, manipulated by neocon criminals like Cheney and enabled by the likes of Blair, this was never going to happen.

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michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Fraser, I think that CRT and BLM would not have been so grovelingly received but for 9/11. New York was the centre of the horror on that day. And New York (and its ghastly newspaper) have been at the centre of the cultural suicide. The attack on the Pentagon (an affront to US power rather than a wound) was met by savage and indiscriminate revenge.

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mdoocey
mdoocey
3 years ago

Sanctimony Signaling Without Borders. When the only American TV news available to the Brits and the Euros is CNN, this sort of thing is to be expected.
Normal Americans also despise the Left. Unfortunately, they’ve taken over all of the crucial institutions – including the White House – while screaming “SCIENCE!!!” and “I’M WEAK, STOP BULLYING US”. Their science is fake and never, ever, underestimate the power of the so called weak.

Chuck Burns
Chuck Burns
3 years ago

Excellent article. “But their political culture is poisonous, and America’s progressive fundamentalists are a bigger threat to Britain, and to Europe, (and to the USA) than probably any other force on earth, bar climate change.” I was with you completely until you added in the generic Leftist catch all root cause of everything, climate change.

Tobye Pierce
Tobye Pierce
3 years ago
Reply to  Chuck Burns

Yup, gave it away…

Ian Thompson
Ian Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Chuck Burns

Saying they are “America’s progressive fundamentalists” is like blaming Chuck Burns for COVID; the problem transcends any one nation. Progressive fundamentalists are a plague to all nations that they exploit.

David Owsley
David Owsley
3 years ago

Your 7th paragraph was Question Time: I haven’t watched or listened since. Radio 5 Live had similar disgraceful treatment of an American army officer (could have been Air Force)…I haven’t listened since.
BLM was started based on a lie and continued based on more lies. What I find unbelievable is that BT etc still have BLM adverts and famous sportsman saying how ‘Take a Knee’ (also based on a lie) has made a big difference.

John Dowling
John Dowling
3 years ago

You are right about the threat of climate change polices. Lord Deben of the unelected unaccountable Committee on Climate change has admitted that to implement the political policy of “Zero-carbon” will require an authoritarian regime separate from the Commons to force the populace to adhere to its strictures. Now there is a threat to civil liberties.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  John Dowling

Zero Carbon iS Unattainable & Rightly So, humans would die Without Carbon. Its a pity These climate change Liars and Soros,Bezos,Gates Foundations Payrolling this rubbish ..cant die off…

R Malarkey
R Malarkey
3 years ago

The left in the UK seem extremely Americanised. In more than one discussion/argument I had to say, at possibly even conclude the discussion, by asking them what country they thought they lived in.
We’ll see a lot of this after the new racism report exonerates the UK for institutional racism.
I’ve been talking about this for the last year or so so it’s interesting to see an article which sums up my thoughts. I considered American an ally until 2019. They are still an ally but far as domestic policy and ideology goes, I wish Trump had built a wall down the Atlantic.
We shouldn’t be teaching about Tubman, au contraire. We should focus on teaching how we are not the US. The West Africa Squadron would be a good start.

M Spahn
M Spahn
3 years ago

I suppose you need to be clear about which America you are “pro” and which you are “anti.” I like to think I am fairly sensible but it’s true that I’m increasingly surrounded by lunatics. I’m encouraged that over the last year the resistance, if you will, is getting better organized. But it’s too early for any optimism about our prospects.

Christopher Kendrick
Christopher Kendrick
3 years ago
Reply to  M Spahn

I would agree about the resistance, there are some impressive thinkers emerging who are prepared to speak up about what happening in the US. But of course we need more than words.

Richard Turpin
Richard Turpin
3 years ago

I believe the Post Modernists, originally born out of France, have been peddling their ideolgy for the last fifty plus years and just recently have made real headway courtesy of the Donald. I think CRT and identity politics has in many ways expedited the ineviatble cicular human conflicts that arise repeatedly out of human differences. Looking outside in, Americas traditional enemies must be thoroughly delighted at the woke, western post modern liberals, who are intent on destroying anything and everything in the name of equality across every level and point of human difference and in doing so, are nothing more than a human wrecking ball of peace and stability. They want anything but.
I remember the case of OJ Simpson and the way in which the course of justice, like so many other times before, was perverted to suit a political narrative and appease the crowd and in doing so, became no better, in fact, proably became a whole lot worse than the countries they were trying to ‘educate’ through our democratic way of life.

David Fitzsimons
David Fitzsimons
3 years ago

Good stuff (for the most part – the part about why we should not be aping Americans).

Greg Greg
Greg Greg
3 years ago

Yes indeed. This Yank has observed that the Brits seem to have a braking system to restrain at least most absurd dishes served up by the Left. Americans tend to be less circumspect and therefore more compulsive and given to mindless fads. We Americans tend to be more ‘ready, fire….aim’ whereas the Brits tend to aim, before, not after, they pull the trigger. A friend of mine used to say, ‘You have the right to remain stupid. However, if you are gonna be stupid, you are gonna have to be awfully tough.’ I fear that America is neither smart nor tough. Neither are we freedom-worthy. Don’t pretend to know this, but its quite possible that God has given us over to our gods, which is to say that we may be a nation under a particular kind of judgment. Then again, Christians, both US and British, understand that our first and final allegiance is to a kingdom that transcends national loyalties, and therein lies our hope.

Earl King
Earl King
3 years ago

As an American I also fear the propaganda, the brain washing, the intellectual dishonesty. We are eating ourselves, eating our brains our comity our unity with a form of hatred. I am scarred.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Earl King

Me too, I saw it all on social media
US isn’t a safe place.

Deb Grant
Deb Grant
3 years ago

I don’t recognise a lot of what the author says about America versus Europe but it gets interesting when he talks about ‘fashion’ because fashion is what virtue signalling is all about. Identity politics is superficial and naive but young and inexperienced people haven’t yet worked that out.
“It’s not a thought-out belief with an understanding of the causes of a problem or the consequences of any proposed solution; it’s a meme, a fashion. It’s what anthropologists refer to as “prestige-biased group transmission”, when people imitate the fashions and mores of powerful groups without any understanding of whether these fashions will benefit them.”

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michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Deb Grant

Agreed, Deb. But it’s being utilised by very purposeful and malign people

Cho Jinn
Cho Jinn
3 years ago

“ It’s not a thought-out belief with an understanding of the causes of a problem or the consequences of any proposed solution; it’s a meme, a fashion.”

Very well put.

Dan Martin
Dan Martin
3 years ago

Speaking of forcing the American progressive religion, in the second season of Jack Ryan we acolytes learned that it was not a murderous regime of socialist, fatigue-clad jackasses who ruled that unfortunate country, but very serious businessmen in suits. Hope and light, as one would expect, resided in the cuddly lambs of the socialist opposition.
Rewriting history is, of course, the responsibility of our catechist betters, and to probably mis-quote a certain robot from the old Lost in Space, “Ours is but to do or biologically cease to function.”

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Alka Hughes-Hallett
Alka Hughes-Hallett
3 years ago

Just like I never expected lockdown to happen , for us to follow China’s model so completely & unquestioningly , I did not expect us to have a protest here when George Floyd was killed. As an immigrant, I’ve always felt Britain is very warm and welcoming country. However I am discovering that there is indeed an identity crisis of some sort happening here. From politicians to the general public, from left to right there is a distinct lack of confidence on display. Had we acted thoughtfully, decisively and with originality last March, without prolonged lockdown we may not have had the leisure to protest here and the US media influence would have been less notable. With the availability of time & money in their pockets, the frustrated public was looking to vent somewhere! What else do you do locked up but watch a lot of American TV and be ripe for any organisation wanting to take advantage of our dopey state! We can’t blame the US, we brought this on ourselves.

Since I’ve been here only 10 yrs I cannot say if it’s to do with the Brexit vote as well or was it creeping up well before that! The point is we did not belong in the EU and don’t belong with America. Are we strong enough to shun both & stand alone? Unfortunately we don’t have a leader that knows how to LEAD. The public is following the leader who is following the public (polls). Hence our confused identity crisis?

steve eaton
steve eaton
3 years ago

Point taken, but as an American, I suggest that the UK need not follow either the US or Europe. They can stand on thier own and deal equitably with both.
In my opinion it has been a strong independent UK standing along side a strong and independant US that has for over a century has kept the ideals of a free society begun with the Magna Carta safe from some of the worst despots the world has ever known.
If the US, which is faltering right now falls, the UK needs to keep standing strong and indepenant. we are cousins, we are family, and we need to have each other’s back.

Don Gaughan
Don Gaughan
3 years ago

Todays left progressive cult is largely a marriage of irrational self degrading neurotic liberal guilt and obsolete discredited marxist influenced political economic beliefs , using the tactics of Soviet marxist tyranny to gain power and control While the American left progressives do lead and influence,there is a network of activists in each free democracy of the west that are pushing their political agenda ..ie the orchestrated world wide use of the George Flloyd event to co ordinate a ” public ” angry public protest march.An excellent British book called The Long March illustrates how the British progressive cult grew its power and influence there.
The progressive cult is a real and imminent fanatical peril to to democracy and the cultures and people who built the prosperous stable free democracies of the west most in the world want to live in.
The west has every right and reason to defend and protect their countries , people and cultures from the malignant left progressive tyranny and to liberate humanity from them.

William Hickey
William Hickey
3 years ago

Don’t blame us. You are the dopes who saw the black riots and the burning cities in America during the Sixties on the TV and said, “Hey, that looks like fun. Let’s import a race problem for ourselves.”

How’s “Swingin’ London” and Carnaby Street these days?

What did you Brits think was going to happen when you invited the non-white world into your lovely, homogeneous country — stability? Harmony? Kumbaya?

The only reason Ed’s kids are studying the lives of an illiterate farmhand and an Alabama domestic is because Stephen Lawrence hasn’t made the history books yet. But give it time. Sainthood is coming.

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Gerald gwarcuri
Gerald gwarcuri
3 years ago

Though it is probably mere cliché by now, no finer (?) example of American public insanity infecting our British friends exists than the Harry and Merkel Traveling Circus. Their performance on the Oprah ( herself s big part of America’s neurosis ) gabfest the other day is the stuff of nightmares. The Mad Hatter’s Tea Party made more sense than those three paragons of woke self-righteousness. It was a total embarrassment for both America and the U.K. The lunatics are running the asylum and running for political office… and winning. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Matt Whitby
Matt Whitby
3 years ago

The lack of religion, something I also lack, creates new holes for different types of radicalism. We would be heading down that road anyway, perhaps not in quite the same manner, but America are definitely helping in steering our ships towards their storm

Adam Huntley
Adam Huntley
3 years ago
Reply to  Matt Whitby

It is a new religion. It has statements of faith- white privilege, fragility and supremacy, which cannot be tested. Heretics are the racists or worse- black skinned people who don’t fall in line (“Coconuts” and “Uncle Toms”). Whites can gain absolution by admitting their white privilege. It is also evangelical in wanting to make converts. And it has its prophets who are adored whenever they are in concert- the authors of Critical Race Theory.
These aren’t my ideas. They come from US linguist John H McWhorter in his newly serialised book The Elect. The sooner Unherd gets to do an interview with him the better

Giulia Khawaja
Giulia Khawaja
3 years ago

The father and uncle of the author were sent to America from England in 1940 – to grow up “free” ? Evidently they fully expected England to no longer be free.

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
3 years ago
Reply to  Giulia Khawaja

I imagine that they were two of the many children evacuated to the USA when war came. It was fairly common for middle-class parents with transatlantic friends or relatives to send their children out there, away from the dangers of bombing and possible invasion. The ‘freedom’ that might disappear was threatened by Hitler.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
3 years ago
Reply to  Giulia Khawaja

Yes. Not a very patriotic or stout hearted family to run at the first hint of trouble. I would be ashamed to admit that. I certainly wouldn’t proclaim it from the rooftops.

Charles Levett-Scrivener
Charles Levett-Scrivener
3 years ago

Strange to mention the police killings in Brazil but not mention the police killings in Venezuela.

Peter Branagan
Peter Branagan
3 years ago

Another crackingly good article from Unherd and I wholly agree with the concerns raised about American politics (small and large ‘p’).

Natalija Svobodné
Natalija Svobodné
3 years ago

If PC was not really about protecting anyone, and really all about expressing one’s own moral superiority, PC credentials would be akin to what economists call a ‘positional good’
Positional good…Generally any coveted goods, which may be in abundance, that are considered valuable or desirable in order to display or change one’s social status when possessed by relatively few in a given community…In this case the goods are “Morality”
positional goods are all about – signalizing a high position in a ranking, that is, a relation to others. This leads to a problem. Positional goods are used to signalize something that is by definition scarce, and yet the product which does the signaling “morality” is not scarce, or at least not inherently. We can all be outraged easily.
The PC then creates new social taboos, and try to differentiate themselves from each other to assert imagined moral superiority. The left eating the left is a classic example.
conspicuous compassion, the deliberate use of charitable donations of money to enhance the social prestige of the donor with a display of superior socio-economic status… In this case its not even a financial contribution or lifestyle change, but just a photo.
We live in an age of conspicuous compassion. We sport empathy ribbons, send flowers to recently deceased celebrities, weep in public over murdered children, apologize for historical misdemeanors, wear red noses for the starving, go on demonstrations to proclaim ‘Drop the Debt’ or ‘Not in My Name… all to gain social credit with minimum cost and effort.
In other words these guys are posers and they think they are very special, paragons of virtue. Who want the attention and admiration of others, while doing very little to earn it. Of course as an economic transaction… I’d call it a swindle. Buying into poor faulty goods, that wont work as advertised. Buyer beware.
I found this very interesting:
https://iea.org.uk/blog/the-economics-of-political-correctness?fbclid=IwAR3OCp4wjKu9p-9_XSoNFpNgDMGJ2yN0nBq8G53AqmbBZEsV5vTlwoPFTDE

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Simon H
Simon H
3 years ago

Nitwits trying to prove they’re socially aware, progressive, connected…better than the rabble.
Happy to currently live in France, the horror of the US importing its inferior social justice and identity politics has been ruthlessly snuffed out, thankfully! Watching the UK disappearing down the woke rabbit hole brings a tear to my eye.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Simon H

I moght join you by relocating to France one day I think.

Russ Littler
Russ Littler
3 years ago

Either this author is willfully misleading the reader with misinformation and propaganda, or he hasn’t grasped what’s really going on in the world. The terrible mess we see all around the globe has nothing whatsoever to do with “left or right”. That is merely a decoy to keep the dull-witted from getting to the truth. It’s a convenient narrative spun by the media propaganda machine to keep the masses in blissful ignorance, whilst stirring up confusion, hate, and division in order to divide and conquer. This fight, this war, has been going on for at least 70 years, and we are now witnessing the final stages of the “globalist” takeover with this plandemic. This is what was set out and planned as far back as 1947 when the supposedly victorious US actually colluded with the defeated Nazi Generals and scientists (operation paperclip) to implement their “one world order” vision, aided and abetted by the CIA and military industrial complex. Governments and organizations all around the world have been steadily infiltrated year upon year by the globalist faction (SES) ready for the final takeover. The war we are fighting (yes we are at war) is about patriots versus globalists, because nearly every single political party in both Europe and America have been infiltrated by Rothchild and World Bank puppets to implement this “great reset”. They have all been working towards the same agenda, whilst all the time keeping a dumbed down public thinking that one political party is “left” leaning, and the other party is “right”. The reality was that they were,/are, all exactly the same. We only ever had the illusion of choice, because the end result was always the same no matter which party got in. Their allegiance was always to the globalist, one world order agenda, not the electorate. If you think back, both Labour and Conservative, Democrat, and Republican have all been pushing us towards this globalist dream for decades, courtesy of the people who decide our future, the Bilderberg group. We have been conned and manipulated for years, and most people are still sound asleep, and simply don’t see what is going on right under their noses.

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zac chang
zac chang
3 years ago
Reply to  Russ Littler

Are you sure your not just massively paranoid?

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Russ Littler

but Brexit , Trump & SARS2 put an end if only for 4-6 years of Globalism..

Leonardo Trentin
Leonardo Trentin
3 years ago

I agree completely. I have lived in France and I keep in touch with their political culture: there the elites are very influenced by universalist moral philosophy. They tend to recognise the wrongdoings of American progressivism, but the youth is very influenced by American tv shows which is very unfortunate.

kecronin1
kecronin1
3 years ago

I love Unherd. Such great essays. And Mr. West’s point that American ‘progressive thought’ is toxic waste we export is something I have thought about for a long time. I recently read that Irish citizens now view themselves as white oppressors which is laughable considering as W.E.B. DuBois wrote,  “The white slums of Dublin represent more bitter depths of human degradation than the black slums of Charleston and New Orleans, and where human oppression exists there the sympathy of all black hearts must go.”  I joke that my grandparents didn’t come over in a ‘coffin ship’ they must have come over on a cruise ship. For this insanity, I as an American, deeply apologize. On the other hand Europe did give us George Soros. If only our politicians had taken the cue of Brits telling him to stay out of politics. Unfortunately they did not and my home city of St. Louis is descending into horrific chaos with children as the casualties.

Kelly Mitchell
Kelly Mitchell
3 years ago

Very insightful article. Worthy of a thorough read.

Mike Atkinson
Mike Atkinson
3 years ago

Pity the article is spoiled by the author’s naïve understanding of so-called ‘climate change’. I’m assuming he means the man-made sort; but I do wonder whether he knows the difference between that and the natural type. Wilfully ignorance?

steve eaton
steve eaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Atkinson

Perhaps I am misreading the author’s meaning, but I took his referal to climate change as a major danger as referring to the types of controls that could be instituted over our lives in the name of “Climate Change”, and not saying that climate change itself is the danger.

David Foot
David Foot
3 years ago

In practical terms Enoch Powell was correct to a point USA was responsible with Stalin for the fall of the British Empire, let us remember Roosevelt and Stalin in Tehran 1943 both agreed that the British Empire should be dismantled, some say that Roosevelt was perhaps a Marxist for some things he did. And USA “didn’t support Empires” and “didn’t do Kings” which when we look at USA deep down they are simpleton’s or even foolish things to come from USA.
Also USA got the UK to pay its war debt but not so the war debts of Japan and Germany which at the very least should have covered the UK war debt! It is disgraceful, the UK only finished paying its war debt about 2010! So in a way we can say that USA won WWII and the British Empire was defeated in WWII, then came Suez betrayal, so it was only natural that the UK stayed out of Vietnam, this last war was a consequence of the UN/ USA attack on the European Empires. Decolonization also generated all the refugees and untold amount of conflicts all over the place, much of the “immigration” problems of today, the catastrophes such as Zimbabwe, Yemen, Burma and so on.
We can’t blame it all on USA, the UK had a “woke” movement which had also been undermining the Empire from inside, the “Marxists or Enemy within” or the Labour Party, which was the one which really signed the end of the British Empire and is ultimately responsible, because they really had the power of a landslide of 1945. The Labour party may say “no we are not Marxists, we are socialists” but it is not true, they are consistent with the Marxist attack on England they split the Union after 1997 and if all that was not enough to identify the curve which they follow in 2019 they were advocating the Marxist / IRA taking over England and poisoning the minds of the young and attacking our greatness, bringing in incompatible immigration etc..
In one life time we have gone from ruling 1/4 of the world to desperately trying to save England in a split UK. If our Kingdom doesn’t get off this curve we are dead, the salvation of England needs the end of the Labour Party which is Marxist and incompatible with England. And our Empire’s 1945 could well be USA’s 2020.
Going back to USA and the “Uncle Sam Narrative” that is also important to understand USA of another time.
To understand that USA mind set came from the indoctrination and which was totally accepted those lines are still the lines that are now in ONE of the TWO anthems of the USA: “Land of the free and home of the brave” it says and USA used to believe.
Perhaps this false concept would make the standard USA well-meaning kid and latter adult to be so much against the British Empire. The indoctrination in their schools didn’t teach them the reality which was that even though USA didn’t have an Emperor, USA was in fact a European Empire and that in effect they had “Murdered the Free, and Massacred the Brave” and had replaced them with Europeans, a real conquering Empire if there ever was one.
So, as you can see, being an ally and supporting the British Empire shouldn’t have been such a bad proposition to the apparent “brainwashed Roosevelt” or USA, to the contrary, it was a very good proposition of stability, the Empire was the only thing the West ever had that could stand up to China without nuclear weapons! And USA did all it could to destroy it. Non sensical on the side of USA.
And USA was also against the French Empire and got itself Vietnam War too with the end of that Empire and the advance of Marxism!
The USA and UN were built to destroy the European Empires and leave the two massive Marxist Empires of Russia and China intact. How coul USA be so stupid?
In order to survive the two Marxist Empires have had to bring in a corrupt form of capitalism, and they have kept their Marxist tyrannies and survive they have, and they also thrive today, this is a terrible consequence of USA policy, for a few years USA had the bomb and didn’t push that advantage, now Russia has more bombs that USA! As USA is being relegated and split, USA has never had the wisdom of centuries of the British Empire and long term seems to be anathema to Washington.
If that wasn’t bad enough, and to “save a few pennies” and not pay their own USA workers, the USA went and gave China the blue prints of the West! I don’t want to use four letter words to describe this stupidity of limitless proportions, it is hard not to.
The Korean war, without the British Empire was a tie because of the human resources of China, at that time a low technology military power with armies so numerous the West could never match. But low tech then, but not anymore! USA got rid of the British Empire as much as it could AND without any research and other expenditure such as development costs, USA brought China up to date and she now leads in some technological fields!
Well done that “home of the free” if Washington continues to be so thick it won’t be “home of the free for much longer”. The entire Western World is on a curve based on short term objectives, stupidity and what can only be described as a death wish of Washington.
This is the problem of USA today, its original “kiddie” indoctrination has unravelled and is now exposed as false ON THE INSIDE to itself! So that all the “honest” people are kneeling all over the place over there.
We need to bring back the proper USA and British Empire as much as we can and as fast as we can through initiatives such as CANZUK and USA needs to say “so what, we are an empire and we are here to stay”.
Forget the Marxist narrative against Empires. What we need to see is the good which has come out of USA and of the British Empire and all what they built (even USA). The Anglosphere built countries to which people are prepared to die alongside their children to get in to them. Countries which are real paradises. We are ruining our own masterpieces because we have allowed the Marxists, OUR ENEMIES to get inside our minds with false Marxist narratives to destroy us and impose Marxism WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT!
All other ideologies and empires can’t hold a candle to the ideology of the British Empire and all the places which it made. What USA (the renegade British Empire of the Americas) and the real thing the British Empire built were real paradises. NO OTHER IDEOLOGY (Marxism other empires, other religions etc) can hold a candle to these places: USA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, UK, NEW ZEALAND. We must keep them and be proud of what we achieved. We can improve the lot of other races and walk alongside them. We can’t allow Marxists to destroy these unique achievements trying to force outcomes and messing up our thoughts and exploiting minor racist grievances. Merit must rule what we do not forced Marxist outcomes.
Let us be honest, even for the blacks, most of them wouldn’t last five minutes in Africa if they went there, even they are very lucky to be in USA or the UK or anywhere in the Anglosphere we must protect what is so good and what is ours or we will lose it.
Please think in the long term, we are where we are and we are who we are and here we stay!
Let us paraphrase the Marxist Manifesto closing phrase: Anglosphere of the World Unite!
What really must prevail is the merit of the best.

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Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
3 years ago

One of my comments is ‘awaiting approval’ cause I used the f word. Are we not allowed to swear? Just asking.

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

No, not really.

You might be able to disguise it a little with asterisks etc, but don’t rely on it.

Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Nope. Even a “d*mned well” of mine got blocked once, so just asterisk anything doubtful

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Absolutely Verboten!!!
Plus other ‘crimes’ too numerous to mention.

0822:BST

David Whitaker
David Whitaker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

F word is not swearing; it is using an obscenity.

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Just a few hours ago I wrote ‘bl##dy’ to describe US policy in Iraq etc and had to change it hurriedly to ‘savage’ as the mods weighed in. Shame about the suppression of our vigorous language.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

!”$%^&*()_+ No!

Marcus Leach
Marcus Leach
3 years ago

Hitler was not of the Right; he, like his ally Mussolini, was a Socialist.
It is perfectly understandable that a Socialist would have a great distaste for the United States, with its strong belief in capitalism and freedom from government interference.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Marcus Leach

The USA is the biggest exporter of racial puritanism

Stewart Slater
Stewart Slater
3 years ago

A first century Gaul or Spaniard waiting for news from the Imperial Capital would recognise our response to America. It is a recognition that we are part of the empire. Our elites, to the extent they merit the name, are just the modern day equivalents of the British chieftain who built Fishbourne Palace, keen to display their familiarity with the fashion of the imperial circle. They will, however, unless the constitution changes, have less chance of joining the Senate…
What is the alternative? America is rich, growing and can project power across the globe. Europe is stagnant, troubled and weak.
Many religious fashions swept Rome and the Empire (there is, for example, a temple of Mithras in the City), but only Christianity was able to take it over. There is no reason yet to think that Social Justice/Intersectionality/whatever will do the same. Laissez faire, laissez passer.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Stewart Slater

Europe is certainly ‘stagnant, troubled and weak’, but I wouldn’t be too sure that America is ‘rich, growing’ and able to ‘project power’. Not any more. At least not so much. And not with any degree of subtlety.
The Chinese and the Russians have got their measure, as indeed they have got the measure of the delusional fools that run Europe.

tony deakin
tony deakin
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

The US may have finally reached a point where it over-estimates its political reach and soft power (re the latter: people can always vote with their wallets in turning their back on Hollywood etc).

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

Great article.

Its time older brits realise how poisonous and toxic US “critical race theory” /woke racial victimization hysteria is.

US is not a benign influence.

Where as France civilisational positions are a lot healthier.(universalism, beauty, joi de vie)

USA is going to export its dangerous Calvinistic racial puritanism and it will destroy the UK.

Brilliant point about middle class kneeling and lack of concern about Brazil.

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Fabian Destouches
Fabian Destouches
3 years ago

“Death to America” is the conservative position.

Jon Roehart
Jon Roehart
3 years ago

Excellent article detailing the contemporary transmission of cultural pathologies from the US. Part of a long continuum of anti-US/Westernism by Europe’s intellectuals.

Best identified and critiqued in the works of Pascal Bruckner. Great quote of his, perfectly encapsulating current Left cultural masochism: “Few cultures take so much pleasure as does America in contemplating their defects” (Tyranny of Guilt, p.72).

Michael Whittock
Michael Whittock
3 years ago

In the 19th. century it was the British Empire. In the 20th.it has been the American Empire. In the 21st.it will be the Chinese Empire. The big problem will be when around 2035 the tipping point arrives. Will the Americans give way gracefully or will they fight with nuclear weapons. I hope someone in the State Department and Chinese Foreign Ministry is thinking realistically about this.

Giles Chance
Giles Chance
3 years ago

I doubt that they are (thinking logically about this).

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Giles Chance

Why should chinese global supremacy be a bad thing .what so great about USA exporting “crt” to Britain and Europe. Maybe Chinese strength will counter this.

Peter Jackson
Peter Jackson
3 years ago

I have a lot of respect for Ed West but my stomach turned seeing how pro-American he is…

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Jackson

I think it was reasonable to be pro-American, on balance, until the invasion of Iraq. Since then the US has been an evil disaster, although Trump wasn’t so bad and did not start any new wars and did his best to end the existing ones.

Wilmot Britt
Wilmot Britt
3 years ago

It seems the far-right was onto something then, doesn’t it? Without diversity, there would be no ability to weaponize it and there would be no ability to export its contents.

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W M
W M
3 years ago

Couldn’t agree more with this article. I’ve become in my adult life a great admirer of the near miracle that is the US, and increasingly appalled at the nihilistic social and cultural vandalism being undertaken by its coddled elite class.

That a similar dynamic has already taken hold of their equivalents here in the UK is entirely depressing (and probably the greatest argument for our being a defacto part of their nominal empire). However, I see the shoots of resistance to the worst excesses of the ideological utopians budding faster here, so maybe one day in the near future it is we who can assist them for a change by re-exporting a liberalism not grounded in a destructive and narcissistic oikophohia so beloved of their increasingly craven and feckless elites.

Vee Gun
Vee Gun
3 years ago

Ed, your disgust should be aimed at the Leftists that have infested and ruined the three-letter Agencies that impose idiotic social ‘woke’ rules on Americans in order to perpetuate wars that we have no reason to participate in. Deep State, you know…..

Diana Durham
Diana Durham
3 years ago

This is a very confused article.

kokotxas1
kokotxas1
3 years ago

I think you missed an important element in our apparent obsession with America, the broadcast media’s safe and lazy journalism. Until Trump, we would be routinely subjected to countless hours of the election Primaries involviing clearly irrelevant also rans. Rather than taking the effort to examine difficult worldwide issues, lets just sit in Broadcasting House and wring our hands over the latest school shootings. That I really dont know whats happening in Europe is exacerbated by seeing everything is through the parochial prism of the London village but maybe thats another story.

Steve Gwynne
Steve Gwynne
3 years ago

Nicely done article Ed.

The goal of ‘Wokeism’, ‘Black Power’ or ‘Political Blackness’ is institutional and structural positive discrimination for the protagonists of ‘Wokeism’, ‘Black Power’ or ‘Political Blackness’ which is achieved through cancel culture, deplatforming, pile ons, gaslighting and name calling.

These race opportunists create hierarchies of racial worth to both protect and advance their ‘most favoured status’ by utilising victimhood mentalities (the drama triangle) derived from historical subjugation, weoponising street level subcultural anti-establishment sentiments and leveraging the disadvantages created by self segregating cultural communities.

It is therefore not surprising that Woke Colourists reject family structure, culture, geography and class since it is these metrics that are able to identify the Woke Colourists as the privately educated, black power, metropolitan middle class that they are who will ruthlessly exploit disparities within society in order to legitimise their political opportunism.

These people have no interest whatsoever in cultivating societal harmony or cultivating the much needed cultural space of give and take in which responsibility sits alongside rights since their goal is an institutional and structural racism that benefits them. As such, whenever they perceive that their quest for positive discrimination is being thwarted, as the Sewell report does, then they simply scream institutional and structural racism.

If these people are simply the chosen ‘haunted’ few that use their scarred memories of historical subjugation to legitimise their bigotry, gaslighting and quest for power, then perhaps part of the overall solution is cognitive behavioural therapy.

However, allowing these scarred individuals into positions of power is not a healthy option. So along with alternative organisations to better understand societal disparities, the woke colourist organisations need to be heavily scrutinized too. Especially in terms of breaking down the explicit positive discrimination within Woke political charities and Woke political acedemic departments.

Sidney Falco
Sidney Falco
3 years ago

It’s tragic, because on a personal level Americans are still as warm and generous as they’ve always been”

Only when they’re looking for tips.

Charles Rense
Charles Rense
3 years ago

You made us. Who is the bigger fool: the fool, or the fool who sent the fool to a far off land where he he decided he didn’t have to live under the first fool’s boot anymore?

A Spetzari
A Spetzari
3 years ago
Reply to  Charles Rense

I blame the French 😉

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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  A Spetzari

We should have let them keep Canada, and then we wouldn’t be in this mess.

0944: BST

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago

Canada is quite happy to be separate from both you lot, thanks very much.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Colin Haller

But French Canada is a lot better at rejecting US style “crt”/woke nonsense than English speaking Canada

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

Canada Separated after help from iroquuois and British Empire loyalists9&Royalists) to defeat US in 1812 and finally admit defeat by 1814

mistergrainger
mistergrainger
3 years ago

“America’s progressive fundamentalists are a bigger threat to Britain, and to Europe, than probably any other force on earth, bar climate change”
What’s the evidence for this point? One could argue that America’s conservative fundamentalists are equally as threatening.

John Newton
John Newton
3 years ago

The article started by asking some serious and relevant questions but sadly lost its impact by reverting to the default UnHerd house style ‘blame it on the Wokes’ silliness.
Progressing racial, gender and social equality has to be a complex and difficult process made far, far worse by the crass and extreme income and wealth inequality of US society.
Mr West, clearly an intelligent and thoughtful person, and assuming that he wants to make a useful contribution, could start by pondering more carefully what groups really compose the power elite in the US, and overcome the temptation to set up lazy ‘metropolitan liberal’ straw stereotypes. Where existing they are more of a symptom than a cause of the endemic(s) entrenched inequalities and injustices of US society.

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Olly Cooper
Olly Cooper
3 years ago

My partner and I are from the hippy generation whose attitude to the US was mainly fashioned by the Vietnam war. There were lots of things about America to like despite the fact that we disapproved of aspects of its foreign policies. And so it will have been with people all around the globe. What they liked about the US and didn’t would have depended on all sorts of things. Politics, the countries they lived in, whether oppressed by communism or capitalism, maybe even taste in music or cuisine? So all America’s fault? All Russia’s fault? China’s?. ………….. or just humanity’s?

Michael Meddings
Michael Meddings
3 years ago

One thing I don’t understand about the (rightful) demand for equality as espoused by the BLM movement is why the conditions of Dalits has not been the cause for protests.

William Hickey
William Hickey
3 years ago

By whom? The high-income, professional Brahmins like Kamala Harris or Nikki Haley who make up a large percentage of the assimilated South Asians in the US?

Don’t be silly. Those cardiologists, radiologists and software entrepreneurs are oppressed People of Color too. What do you think “Intersectionality” is meant to accomplish?

That’s what being assimilated means today in Woke America. You import an overclass, a “dominant minority,” and they exert that dominance over the native society by claiming oppression.

Get with the program.

Michael Meddings
Michael Meddings
3 years ago
Reply to  William Hickey

Think you might have missed my ironic intent.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

I think you missed his ironic intent.

Michael Meddings
Michael Meddings
3 years ago
Reply to  Jake C

He needs to say that himself, otherwise it’s your opinion only.

roger dog
roger dog
3 years ago

“I normally quite like mindless action films full of explosions but this time I just couldn’t get past the second episode.”
Yup, no matter how much ‘action’, for entertainment you still need a story.

Ian Thompson
Ian Thompson
3 years ago

As a person who has fought side by side with Brits in multiple areas of the world, I see your animosity towards America as both frustrating and short sighted, just like the British pre-WW2 initiative to remove firearms from their citizens and leave your country dangerously defenseless. Fortunately, Americans sent you arms (and food, money, destroyers, people, aid, etc) when you needed it, a good return on investment from your former colonies (and current friends).
You fear America is losing religion, and yet fear American religion is being forced on you. Which one is it? From my side of the Atlantic, I see no “Church of America”, but a vibrant mix of mostly Christian churches that continue to shape families, morality, national policy, and confront the terror of liberal policies and socialism that plague us all. These remain the true institutions that preserve “America”. Our govt is only meant to serve the People, not exploit them as is currently occurring.
“America’s politics has mutated into something genuinely toxic and destructive. Its elites are aren’t just misguided, they are deranged and malignant.” Concur with you there. Monarchies and republics alike are tools that can be used for good and evil, and evil actors always seek power to exploit people. We the People of the United States are AGAINST the use of our government for self-preservation of a ruling class (as you may have surmised from our history). The Demarxists and Republicants are two-sides of the same abusive big-govt coin; a third party is needed to arrest oblivious spending, waste, abuse of govt powers (i.e., benefits to “special interests”), and threats to individual freedoms. This problem abounds worldwide, and America is not immune to this danger.
Speaking of deception, BLM, Antifa, and our world media corporations may have convinced you that America is a racist and hateful nation, yet people of all skin tones live and work side-by-side throughout the U.S. 99% of us see skin color as a physical characteristic like hair color that is a reflection of God’s diversity; we appreciate it. To me, it seems BLM creates a problem where there is none in order to change govt policy and promote one group over another; who is the true racist in this equation?
As to climate change, it undermines your risk comparison. Unfortunately, that “threat” is manufactured in the same ilk as COVID, a model-induced hysteria to help world powers, beyond British and America alone, to shape societies to their advantage. While actual pollution is a challenge that we can all address, CO2 is a beneficial gas and has massive net benefits to the planet (despite what the non-calibrated and incorrect IPCC models try to tell you). I reference you to your own Lord Christopher Monckton, who is both wise and witty.
As to your fascination with American media, you should stop reading the New York Times; few of us in America do. I’ll continue to appreciate the pun and wit of British comedies, because we all need a bit of humor in our lives, and Britain has indeed blessed us with that.
We’re all in this quagmire together. We can either turn against each other (as many of the principalities desire) or unite against the common enemy, the globalist and powers of this world who want to suppress the liberties of all, and are using both American and British institutions to do it.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Thompson

I don’t think you understand the article.
Ed West nor I have have no truck with good Americans like yourself.

But we have a problem with shrill racial anti white “crt” zealots demanding white self flagellation.

The USA seems to create this woke anti white nonsense and Britain absorbs it far too easily especially the racial minorities that live her.

We saw USA tear itself apart but act like that was entirely fine, USA applauded blm violence.

tris hicks
tris hicks
3 years ago

This was an interesting article. The recent comparisons between policing in the UK and USA show an amazing ignorance of policing in either country. Whilst some of the larger City forces in the States have a professionalism which we would recognise in the UK, the overall policing standard and policing environment is not remotely comparable. The British have absolutely nothing to learn from their American colleagues and the constant comparisons are based on a near total ignorance of reality. I review policing in different countries for a living, so I am only talking from professional experience.

Elaine Hunt
Elaine Hunt
3 years ago

Are those their children? They look quite old to have children of that age , though I suppose they could be IVF babies.

Poor kids, anyway. Fancy being taken to a beach and then having to kneel on the sand with a sign instead of running around throwing sand at each other and going in the sea even though you’d been told not .

The boy looks as if he has other ideas though. Maybe he’s standing up prior to making a bid for freedom.

jamzw
jamzw
3 years ago

Your stated views of America are quite similar to mine and the Alt Right, that is, right wing not “conservative” (as often defined by Chesterton). The United Soviet States of America is well past the point of “reform “and so we scratch around tooking for light guiding the path ahead. All “reform” movements have resulted in an increase of the power of the state. 1861, 1906, 1913, 1919, 1933, the dye was set. No true republic has lasted so long as the US has been in business which explains why we are no longer a republic.
Britain, with and without the US, has distinguised itself not at all since the 20th century in preserving what better men once built.

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago

“its Ivy League-educated elite, is the Rev Jim Jones of the West” great line. But wth is this? Climate change? Lol. Don’t worry about that. Covid is the first step. Gates, Fauci, and Gore are saving you. Stay in your home, eat Gates’s frakenmeat, and dowload your “covid” tracking health passport. The ivy league elite are going to save us all!

Rob Alka
Rob Alka
3 years ago

I salute Ian Thomson for being in the tiniest minority who has actually responded directly to the essayist (I’d reply directly to him if I could find his posting – the scrolling is exhausting).  Here’s my reply nonetheless, as much to Ian Thomson, as to the essayist Ed West
There are just too many never-ending examples that cause me to feel that America’s politics is more grubby and ineffectual than Britain’s, in that it encourages or allows corruption, turmoil, stalemates and decision paralysis. America’s mindless reverence for the Constitution as a tablet of stone, is the worst kind of primitiveness. The Constitution is by now surely outdated and is left to enable oily politicians and finely honed legal minds to play word games rather than search for what is fair and right.
Into that quagmire of self-serving immorality or hypocrisy it is almost unimaginably horrific to realise that there are still states that have the Death Penalty. At least we in the UK only have 3 disunited states, whereas the US has 50! I then look at the EU with its 27 and appreciate the problem. It’s one of balance between over-forcing unitedness, which knocks the stuffing out of a sense of freedom, aspiration, enterprise and voluntary teamwork/coalitions, whereas with too loose a rein there is a lack synchronisation leading to a loss of power and efficiency, as well as structural damage (and I surely don’t have to define that any further – just turn on the TV!).
Which is why I think Reagan was spot-on in seeking less government. Likewise Trump, in his desire to “get rid of the swamp”. The difference here is that Reagan was more likeable – and quite possibly a truly nice guy – whereas Trump, in both nature & nurture, was a product of a real-life version of the Charles Adams family. To say that this limited Trump’s concentration power, vision and moral compass is a colossal understatement.  Yet it is for me a moot point whether American citizens of a less vindictive and close-minded nature could have given him the benefit of the doubt, nurturing him into wanting to become better than he was. 

BTW 1: when it comes to the excess use of power or exploitation, I agree entirely with you that monarchies and republics can end up being two side of the same coin. Not that the UK is a really a monarchy, any more than that which is replicated in Disneyland or Madam Tussauds.  I feel the really important distinction is between Democracy vs Meritocracy vs Demagoguery vs Autocracy vs Totalitarianism vs Despotism (with Theocracy usually a front for Despotism).  I fear that the concept of Democracy has a become a moveable feast and that today’s version, in this over-permissive age, is indigestible and unworkable. 
BTW 2: I find a significant part of America’s religiosity to be brainwashed (like in scenes from Elmer Gantry), as well as small-minded and intimidatingly fervent. When I see it linked to the pros & cons of laws of abortion I feel completely out-of-sorts with a country that have so many people like that. 
BTW 3: As for racism, political correctness and self-deception have utterly stifled honest intelligent debate. For example, equality and diversity are contradictory. This is because to strive for equality means intervening and quota-controlling skin colour or ethnic composition, which in itself is discriminatory ….. as well as laughable …… but no joking matter.  Besides which, we live in a capitalist society based on equal opportunity rather than equal outcome. The other way around is untenable and against human nature. Society needs to make sure black skinned people have that equal opportunity and might well need a helping hand from government to ensure they are sufficiently prepared as able and eligible to enter the race. But if after the race government or society places them amongst the winners when they were clearly the losers, how can that possibly cure or prevent racism? It has to be faced that stereotyping is the way we socially navigate. The difference between racist stereotyping and racist prejudice is the difference between altering that stereotype when the examples keep demonstrating being a poor predictor of one’s prejudice and persisting with it when one’s mind is made up regardless.
 
It’s not easy for me to dismiss the way white Americans have treated blacks. I cannot conceivably imagine Britain having behaved that way or turned away. Let’s face it. America is a young country that has rather rushed through its development. Along the way it killed or decimated native Indians, buffaloes, negroes, as well as one another. These events seem to be part of America’s DNA. What doesn’t help matters is the sanctity of the Second Amendment harnessed with uncontrolled vengeance to law enforcement. Combining all of that with the brighter admirable “can-do”/”why-not” attitude has led America to become a superpower, from which they presumed the de facto role of World Policeman (or Global Robocop). In that context, the question became not only “what’s not to like?” but also “what’s not to dislike?”.  America has dialling back from that self-appointed world policeman role, partly because it was proving expensive and partly because reactions from other countries were less than grateful or appreciative (sometimes for good reason, sometimes out of resentment in feeling out-classed and out-powered by needing to rely on such protection).
I think the increased hegemony of China has helped redefine the omnipotence of the America into becoming the lesser of the two evils. That’s probably an unfair way of putting it.  America has often engendered ambivalence for being so omnipresent. Sometimes this gives rise to apprehension or fear when it turns into omnipotence. It is also derided when it tends to obnoxiousness (sometimes this is a misinterpretation of excessive patriotism, although it is debatable which is worse). Compared with China, America’s individualistic freedom- loving obnoxiousness is at least more attractive than the invasion of the body snatchers. Better to be obnoxious and larger than life than a scaringly-impassive alien. Better to resent someone dislikeable than be frightened of them.

Ann Ceely
Ann Ceely
3 years ago

I cannot understand how anyone can think that talking about skin colour isn’t racist.

I had also thought that we had grown out of the tribal attitude that you make reparations for things your ancestors did – as in olden days, when grand-daughters of bullies were raped in reparation!

WWII should have taught us that way is very unfair to all concerned.

Simon Holder
Simon Holder
3 years ago

Beautifully articulated. The virtue-signalling robots who support Wokery are destroying the whole purpose of life. Compared to Coronavirus, this virus will destroy us all and set us all against each other. I fear for our British future, as it is so bound up by theirs. Us Brits used to be rational, surgical, enlightened, humorous and balanced; we’re not any more. It’s more than sad, it’s terrifying.

Chris Eaton
Chris Eaton
3 years ago

Photoshop much? The sign is obviously a fake. Look at the girl’s hands Does the sign have a handle glued to its back? Time to get your game on Ed.

Chris Eaton
Chris Eaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Eaton

So, what to we really have…a couple of grand parents, who, whatever the the sign, which there may or not be one, have have some cold weather gear on and have nevertheless have left the young boy ill prepared for the weather: shorts, crocs, and a thin long sleeved shirt. I think this entire photo is a complete sham.

Scott Norman Rosenthal
Scott Norman Rosenthal
3 years ago

If the author’s father was from England, did his parents send him to the U.S. because they felt that England wasn’t free?

Mike Rieveley
Mike Rieveley
3 years ago

We have to feel sorry for Ed West that he no longer is able to enjoy the adventures of Jack Ryan due to his jaundiced view of the US and now sympathises with those who believe it is a Satanic empire.
It is also unfortunate that those who are willing to stand up against evil are being castigated as “virtue signallers”. The current fashion for denigrating those who care about the wellbeing of others is perhaps more an indication of the motives
of those who make such unsubstantiated claims.

Paul Ansell
Paul Ansell
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Rieveley

Iam one of those deeply cynical of the whole Woke business, so let me explain.
The family above is taking the knee, that is to say, supporting BLM, it is quite misleading. If those supporting BLM were so worried about the wellbeing of black people, they would be addressing the spike in the rate of shootings in NY / Chicago / Philly……and therefore seriously thinking about the wisdom of Defunding the Police. Also the looting and rioting has ensured that many will have lost their jobs…..that does not help anybody’s wellbeing.
If our Woke mob were so worried about slavery, why aren’t they out there protesting about modern day slavery…..and the wellbeing of these people who are still alive……..
I could mention other aspects of this movement that are at odds with their public face but I hope you get the picture.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Rieveley

If those people were truly standing against evil, they would do better than attacking math as racist and sheet music as a white supremacist construct. The virtue signaling group deserves mocking and ridicule at the very least and a strong pushback to boot.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Rieveley

The point is these people want to be seen to show their “caring”. Whether they actually do is another matter.

Philip Clayton
Philip Clayton
3 years ago

Here we go again:” progressive fundamentalists” a phrase designed to chill the heart. What does it actually mean? Oh hang on, people who really, really, belive in fighting injustcice. A bit like anti-slavery fundamentalists. Or anti-nazi fundamentalists. The right love showering words like tyranny against anyone who promotes ideas that mean facing up to our history. The word ‘woke’ for exampla as a term of abuse. What is the opposite of woke? Asleep. I know which side I am on. Those who back in the 60’s fought for gay rights, women’s rights & against racism would all have been termed ‘woke’. And isn’t our society much better for their existence? Not according to Unherd. A site claiming to represent left and right, but by my rule of thumb analysis 90% of articles are firmly on the very right wing. The writers are very intelligent and are extremely skilled at using faux scholarship to make themselves look intellectual; but it is abundantly clear that they don’t really engage with facts or research.

Ian Thompson
Ian Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Philip Clayton

Maybe intelligent people tend to be conservative, i.e., abiding by time-tested principles of morality, legality, and intellectual criticality.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago
Reply to  Philip Clayton

What are you talking about.

There is no racial injustice

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

Mr West ignores the US Republicans’ subversion of democratic norms, and how that is being aped by Boris Johnson and the British Conservative party. Instead he sets up straw men (and women) on the left who are reflexively anti-American and naively embracing ‘purity spirals’ and ‘cancel culture’.

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Not many ticks again Diarmid.

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago

‘It’s easy and safe to be in one or other of these two camps – defensive liberal or angry reactionary…’

Diarmid Weir
Diarmid Weir
3 years ago
Reply to  Diarmid Weir

Who downvoted that? It’s part of the Unherd Mission Statement!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

You could have reduced the entire article to this sentence…..
“Perhaps the lone Yankeephobe among senior post-war British Conservatives was Enoch Powell, who was deeply hostile to the United States, which he blamed for the downfall of the British Empire.”
Just can’t let go of that empire, can you? Seriously, chill.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
3 years ago

Subtlety was never Americans strong point was it

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

As opposed to the highly polished British subtlety illustrated by this article? How could any American NOT make fun of this? It’s patently ludicrous. “we can’t think for ourselves, we’re all just sheep. baaaaaaa! “
show a little dignity please.

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Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
3 years ago

Likewise

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

Well its true ,the British are too cultural receptive of US woke nonsense.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
3 years ago

Most of us couldn’t give a rat’s arse about the Empire, but you carry on….

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Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Yes, we can tell this by the frequency of its mention. The chip on your shoulder is clearly visible.

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Tim Bartlett
Tim Bartlett
3 years ago

Assuming we all agree Mr Powell did indeed dislike the Americans for the reasons given, surely the only debate is on the dynamics and morality of empire. I’d have thought as the dollar loses its reserve status its a debate our American friends will discover is rather important.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bartlett

We don’t really debate the morality of empire in the US anymore than any nation that escaped it (especially by means of war) would. Americans don’t spend a lot of time wondering if we escaped the British empire by mistake.

Tim Bartlett
Tim Bartlett
3 years ago

Haha, yes, throwing off George’s yoke certainly wasn’t by mistake. You do need to think about empire though, like it or not you have one.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bartlett

In that case, I must plan a vacation in one of our colonies, which would you suggest?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Puerto Rico, or Guam.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

I said colonies. Neither of those are colonies. Let me provide a definition of the word colony for you.
Colony – a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country.
neither Puerto Rico nor Guam were occupied by settlers from the US. (Puerto Rico in fact was at one time, settled by Europeans.) This is why they are not colonies but India, for example, was a British colony.

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Micael Gustavsson
Micael Gustavsson
3 years ago

Puerto Rico is under the rule of the US government, but are unable to vote in US elections. How is that different from India under the UK government? Also, an empire doesn’t have to be built on the colonial model; a strong central nation with weaker tributary national is also an empire.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Enoch Powell’s probably only flaw was his romantic attachment to the Empire. Serving in India made a deep impression on him.
In retrospect it is odd he couldn’t see what a financial liability the Empire had become by the 30’s and would continue to be so.
In fact we were ‘shackled to a corpse’ and should thank the US for assisting us in jettisoning its putrefying carcass in the period 1945-56.

0831:BST

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G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago

Twas forever thus.

One imperial power all but bankrupted by wars in inexorable decline passing the imperial baton onto the next in ascendency and to which it was in now in deep hock.

As the American Century comes to what, currently, looks like its end, no prizes for guessing where the baton’s likely going next.

steveoverbury
steveoverbury
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

And technologically light years ahead despite the hacking and IP theft. That won’t change while China is run by unsmiling automatons
PS That guy kneeling on the beach needs punching

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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  steveoverbury

I agree he most certainly does!

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not wishing for it, but a lot can happen in 10 years and battles, not necessarily military, are currently quietly being fought on numerous fronts by China.

Military strategy ain’t ma thang, but surely the key to victory is fight the battles you know you can win whilst preparing for the ones you know you’d currently lose.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

You should be been Chief of the Imperial General Staff or
CIGS as it was known.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

My reply has been stopped by the CENSOR!
It appears the Chinese now control UnHerd.

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G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago

Not sure why?

Wasn’t remotely controversial as I recall.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

Passing the baton? Is that what you think you did? Looked to us like you had the baton pried out of your cold, red-coated hands. In any case, have no fear, the US will always remain the worlds only superpower not to have an empire.
In all seriousness, what precisely do Brits get out of insisting that the US is an imperial power? I’m sure we could be if we wanted to but is it just that you believe it makes Britain look less bad?

G Harris
G Harris
3 years ago

You funny, Annette.

Think we either both must have just experienced vastly different, parallel 20th Centuries or have a divergent view over what constitutes imperialism.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  G Harris

China has no chance for at least then years.

A précis of my previous censored, in depth analysis.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

Yes I’m sure he wasn’t alone in mourning the loss of empire.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Empire Day used to be May 24th. On that day in 1941, about 6am, the pride of the Royal Navy, the Battlecruiser H.M.S.Hood was ‘blown out of the water’ by the German Battleship Bismarck.Only 3 men from her compliment of 1418 survived.

From about that time enthusiasm for the Empire diminished rapidly, reaching its nadir during the Suez fiasco of 1956.

Obviously there were others who mourned the Empire but rather like the end of Steam Railways it was only harmless nostalgia, and still is!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

For some, I’m sure. For others, perhaps not. From some of the comments here, you might be surprised at the distress at loss of empire.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Our last large Colonial possession Nigeria was ‘released’ in 1960. Most of us have ‘moved on’ since then, despite the occasional twinge of nostalgia.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

Did you have a choice really? And of course, there was military action defending imperial outposts as late as the 1980s, the Falklands, for example.
Yes, I think most Brits have moved on from mourning the empire. At least I would hope so. But it’s odd, at least to an American, how often it’s mentioned. I guess it’s always a subject in empires that were actually empires at one time or another as long as people who remember it are alive.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

No, no choice, despite appearances the UK is not a charity.

Micael Gustavsson
Micael Gustavsson
3 years ago

The Falklands have the right to vote in British parliamentary elections, unlike US colonies like Puerto Rico and Guam that cannot vote.

Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

I am struck by how often non brits talk about it when talking about Britain

John Lewis
John Lewis
3 years ago

You’ve made some very good points in your previous posts Annette so why the sudden need to troll?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  John Lewis

How could I possibly be expected not to have a bit of fun with an article titled “It’s all America’s fault”?
Taking oneself entirely too seriously is a national weakness for Britain.

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Jake C
Jake C
3 years ago

The problem is “woke ,anti white,crt ,white guilt,etc etc”

All of which comes from USA.

The problem is Britain being too receptive.

If Brits became more “anti” American and would reject the woke nonsense that’d be a good thing.

michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago

The Empire was on its way out anyhow, Annette. But the US did give it a good nudge by not forgiving British debts while writing off German ones (wise policy unlike 1918) and rebuilding the Japanese and some European economies.
Some of the sentiments of Britons now are along the lines of ‘Now you can experience for yourselves the loss of power and prestige’.
‘ Nothing personal. We always liked you’. Citing M.Corleone.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  michael harris

Yes, I’d imagine being asked to leave a lot of colonies (some rather forcefully asking) must lead to a loss of empire. It’s not like you had a choice, is it? I’m afraid it rather WAS personal on our part. But good to see that you harbor no blinding resentment.
I’d love to get rid of colonies if we had any because unlike Brits I never believed in them. You have to hand it to the US, becoming the world’s greatest power without being a colonial empire. It’s unique. (It also may explain some of the angst on the part of former empires) But Britain has much company in the world as a former empire.
Chin up. For a small country, you do rather well.

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michael harris
michael harris
3 years ago

But, Annette, what would be your reply to ‘Tiger’ Yang?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  michael harris

I’d say that democrats passed him the ammo and loaded the gun. If dems and progs are going to maintain that the US is a place of racism and inequality, which, for show, they do, they can’t very well argue the opposite when its tossed back into their faces, can they? Yet they appeared to be surprised that their own silliness was not only taken seriously but also used against them by others. Didn’t TY know they were just sloganeering?
This is why many Americans found the whole episode amusing. Imagine having no comeback to people who maintain concentration camps! The question is, will they learn anything from it? I’d bet on no.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Hang on ‘you’ had a go at it!
After the Spanish-American War you ‘hoovered’ up the Philippines, Cuba and some Pacific Islands.

Plus you did a 9/11 to start the war by blowing up USS Maine.
Let’s not get on to the ‘surprise’ of Pearl Harbour.

Finally you had a good start thanks to English Colonisation from 1607 -1775. The foundations were laid, all you had to do was start digging.
A fertile almost, unoccupied continent was ripe for plunder and profit. Well done indeed!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

Cuba was never a US colony. Spain sold the Philippines to the US in 1898, similar to the French sale to the US of the Louisiana territory. Of course, because the US is not an imperial power, it did not want a colony in the Philippines. And doesn’t have one today.
Pearl Harbor was an attack on a US military base. If a US military base in Britain were to be attacked today, would that mean that Britain was a US colony?
Yes what became the US was colonized by Europeans from many different countries looking for plunder and profit (as well as religious freedom in some cases).
I realize that the English like to think it was only them but of course, that’s far from accurate. I grew up in an areas settled by the Dutch that even today maintains a strong Dutch flavor. European countries wanted their piece of the “new world”. We were the colonies, we didn’t have colonies. Quite a big difference. But yes, the US has done quite well, I agree. I believe the blending of cultures from around the world is one of the main reasons.

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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

You rather surprisingly defeated Spain and plundered accordingly.
You occupied the Philippines for fifty years and ‘raided’ Cuba on numerous occasions. You still have nano colonial possessions in the Pacific including Hawaii, plus ‘sovereign’ military bases all over the Globe including your version of Devil’s Island at Guantanamo Bay, on guess where? Little old Cuba!

You have also very successfully proved the point that if the White Man wants to colonise a foreign land it is essential to exterminate or near exterminate the native population.
Off course the same applies to,Australia, New Zealand, much of South America. The one notable failure being South Africa.

“Vae victis” as ‘you know who’ would have said. Goodnight.

2328: BST

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

You don’t buy land from someone you defeated. You take it. Surely as a Brit, you must know that.
Cuba is not and has never been a US colony (although if you could take a vote in Cuba, a US colony resolution would undoubtedly pass just based on the folks who wash up on our shores). If you could point to the US settlers in the Philippines then you might have a point. But you can’t.
Hawaii is a US state, not a colony. Military bases are not the definition of a colony (and really this should be beneath you Charles, it’s so weak) unless you believe the US and Germany to be US colonies. Care to attempt to make that point? I’d sure enjoy it.
GITMO is not owned by the US. It is leased from the Cuban government. If you lease an apartment, do you own it?
and yes, Europeans have exterminated people all over the world in their quest for empire. By “native population”, do you mean the people who arrived before Europeans? See there was no native population here, it all came from elsewhere. You just meant arrived first.
I have to say that I’m disappointed. I thought you might do better with this. You might have to face the fact that the US really is different. It’s not that we couldn’t have colonies if we wanted them, in fact, lots of countries would likely volunteer for the title. But it’s just not in our national DNA. We have always seen the pitfalls in empire and know that it’s not for us.

Last edited 3 years ago by Annette Kralendijk
Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

Good morning!
I’m somewhat astounded at your misrepresentation of history, but not really surprised.
The US has an Empire in all but name. In fact it is one of the great deceits of modern history, and incidentally one of which I happen to thoroughly approve, but it still remains a deceit.
I found you argument on native Americans rather obtuse to say the least!
There is no argument here, prior to arrival of Europeans the place was thinly populated by Mongoloid groups who had crossed the Bering Straight thousands of years before.Does anyone seriously deny this?
Anyway let’s not fall out over this. As our ‘prodigal son’, I find that US ‘Imperium’ is one the most benign in history, and beyond doubt superior to anything else currently available.

08019: BST

ps.Remember when William of Wickham said “manners maketh man”, he also meant women.

Last edited 3 years ago by Charles Stanhope
Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

“The US has an Empire in all but name.”
Charles, this brought a smile to my face. Well you have an empire but it just doesn’t meet the definition of empire. Is this really your argument?
The people we all call native Americans were simply here before European migrants. They were not native anymore than the Europeans were. Would you call the Vikings or Normans native English? The name Native Americans has confused people. They were not native anymore than the Vikings were in England. None of this damages the point though that it was Europeans who formally colonized the new world.
What we could probably agree on is that we find the US to be the world’s only superpower, a cultural and military hegemon. But that isn’t the same as being an empire. The US is unique among world powers in that it has not gained such status through the conquest and continuous occupation of other nations. We neither have nor want colonies although can you imagine the clamoring to become a US colony should we ever change our minds on that?
In any case, I have no intention of falling out with you, regardless of disagreement on this.
ps. when William of Wickham said “manners maketh man”, he was including himself in that.

Last edited 3 years ago by Annette Kralendijk