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November 14, 2024 - 12:00pm
The Guardian has had a flounce, of the grandstanding “I’m just too good for you!” kind, departing X with a post on X. “This is something we have been considering for a while,” the newspaper claims in the accompanying statement, “given the often disturbing content promoted or found on the platform, including far-right conspiracy theories and racism.” This may come as a surprise from a newspaper whose writers have been accused of spreading conspiracy theories, and of expressing sympathy for Hamas.
A gaggle of celebs and pundits have done the very same flounce because of Donald Trump’s election win — and Elon Musk’s involvement in it — including former CNN anchor Don Lemon, comedian Greg Davies, journalist George Monbiot, and — bizarrely — the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Lewis Goodall of The News Agents podcast reacted to The Guardian exit with the headshaking, disappointed “You’ve let the school down” routine: “Don’t think Guardian will be the last. This place is basically Truth Social now. Such a shame.”
Yet these people said nothing as Musk’s predecessor Jack Dorsey muted conservatives, buried the Hunter Biden laptop story, and banned a sitting president from the platform. Their lost golden age of “non-toxic” Twitter saw thousands of women chucked off the site for pointing out — often with punctilious politeness — that there are two sexes and that men cannot become women. Until 2022 it was dangerous to “misgender” — i.e. to refer correctly to a person’s sex if they disputed it — on Twitter.
Then again, the departing tweeters view all disagreement or derision as “hate”. There is a lot of disagreement and derision in the world and online; there always has been. It’s rather like refusing to use the telephone because people are having conversations of which you don’t approve. Guardian employees may wail that it’s all become so toxic but, really, they prefer their kind of toxicity: that is, the polite, passive-aggressive, middle-class kind.
More sympathy should be extended to the people saying that “the fun has gone out of it”. Fair enough. But the trouble with this view is that the fun went out of everything in about 2014. Why single out X? The old Twitter of 2009 belongs to a lost world where we expected people not to take jokes literally, to engage in good faith, to shrug off other people’s bad takes with a chuckle. The end of all that was largely caused by Dorsey’s Twitter, with its cancellations and creepy thought control.
Many of the flouncers have flounced to rival site Bluesky, which has the air of Robespierre’s Committee Of Public Safety about it: while it sounds nice, it will probably end in suspicion and terror. This mini-exodus is, as usual, a signal of status. The low-status lower orders are angry, and vulgar Musk lets them express this anger. Hence the constant pleas for less polarisation, more light and less heat, coming from the very elites who created these febrile conditions in the first place. It’s like throwing a match into a petrol tank and being appalled by it having the sheer temerity, the appalling bad manners, to blow up in your face.
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SubscribePoor losers, these British backers of the woke Democratic aristocracy.
GR may well be right in describing the Guardian’s exodus as hypocrisy. But when its levelled against a group who lack any self awareness, are fish that don’t know they’re wet, I’m afraid it’s unlikely to have much impact on them
I think any impact Gareth’s well placed ridicule might have was intended for those in the Guardian’s audience who may very well see the self righteous dribble in their posts. Time for their readers to see the condescending voice with which it writes. Couldn’t happen to a more insulting crew.
Hear hear!
Always look forward to anything written by Gareth, either here or on Spiked, where he regularly contributes. Well-deployed ridicule is a powerful weapon against the pompous and self-righteous farm machinery of the Guardian and their ilk, and Gareth wields it expertly. Well done once again
People have such short memories.
Thanks for this excellent article.
The thing which the Guardian needs to remember in this moment is: NO-ONE CARES.
NO. ONE. CARES.
Apart from Unherd and all those who bothered to comment. Oops that includes me! I bet Owen Jones is still on X.
He’s not posted since the end of October but his page is still on.
Congratulations to the picture editor too for that wonderfully sour photo of Viner.
Made my day!
Looks about as joyless as the Guardian readers I know, that’s why I avoid them!
They say your face comes to reflect what is in your heart: Exhibit A.
Absolute tranny battle-axe.
I have to say though, I think Twitter has gone boring. It’s now a right-wing echo chamber. It’s kind of funny but not very informative. And Reddit is the equivalent left-wing echo chamber. It’s a bit like how long ago, you would read the Guardian and the Telegraph, and the truth would be somewhere in the middle.
The people on Reddit are just as odd and excitable as the lunatics that populated Twitter when I was briefly on that several years ago (before Musk bought it). Maybe it’s the same people, they just jumped ship.
This week, I was trying to find out something very minor and unimportant as a private matter, and had an answer from ChatGPT that I wanted to try and verify, so I went on Reddit and made a thread. I got my answer…but also about 5 very uptight people on my tail saying that “doing research with ChatGPT is a red flag” and getting on their high horse about my question.
My God, people, it’s not a PhD – just calm down!
Viner; the living proof that right wing women are more attractive than lefty’s.
In any event it’s a pointless and petulant decision that will reduce the reach of the esteemed organ that she edits; a classic case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face, or possibly like Robespierre eventually losing ones head.
I have often mused that the most effective way to kill the pernicious impact of social media would be to force them to remove the ‘news’ from peoples feeds. One could achieve this by the simple means of enforcing editorial responsibility (with the associated liabilities) on the platforms for any news they disseminate. Pretty quickly they would be back to sharing cat and holiday pictures rather than being disguised and easily manipulated news channels.
In a similar vein I would also ban established media providing their output free into any state funded entity, because again by doing so one runs the risk of exerting/creating undue influence. This would be bad news for the Grauniad as the majority of its circulation is mostly free giveaways into the various departments of the Blob and the BBC.
“a classic case of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face”
Or in the Guardian’s case: faces…
Faeces?
I too love Mr Robert’s Journalism. But I wish he would return to Drama just once…ideally by writing a costume drama in his inimitable style about Britain’s role in abolishing the Slave Trade, taking the fight to the Slavers (both Black African and White European)…and founding Sierra Leone. It would be a popular and much-needed corrective to the nonsense currently propounded about those events…
RMT.
Also the East African Arab slave trade.
Radical progressives hate anyone who disagrees with them. They will retreat to their silos, ultimately making themselves even more irrelevant than they are now. They can yell and scream and call anyone who disagrees with them vile and ugly, but people are sick of it. More importantly, they don’t effing care what the Guardian has to say, or what the big-rimmed glasses turds have to say on CNN, MSNBC. The world is changing and they aren’t.
Bluesky? That’s the first I have heard of it. And anyway, hasn’t there been another exodus in recent times? I seem to remember the non toxic platform was called Mastodon or something like that. Whatever happened to it?
Its bones were dug up in Siberia last year.
of course, it’s hypocrisy but that’s the least of it. This is the Guardian saying it wants to control the flow of information and a place like X makes that impossible. Anyone recall how “do your own research” became a pejorative during Covid when we were supposed to blindly trust the experts instead? This is another version of that.
Let The Guardian retreat into its own echo chamber. Good riddance!
Of course Katharine Viner is Editor-in-Chief of the Guardian. I mean, look at that face. Who else would have her?
I have used twitter half a dozen times or so. I logged in to it yesterday to see what was being said about the A. Pearson story. I then saw a video of PM Q’s and clicked to listen to that. Then it automatically played some obscene and aggressive pornography, I was shocked. It was a brief video and it then automatically played some scene of violence with 5 or six blokes punching another man in the face and beating him with sticks. I will not be logging onto the site again. I fear for the youngsters in my country growing up with this all this deranged anti-social media
Trump’s election implies that the recent fashions in ‘progressivism’ will be consigned to history’s dustbin.
Ironically for people who believe they are avatars of a bright progressive future, the movement simply isn’t socially or politically sustainable.
This is good news. When Musk bought Twitter he immediately halved the Dorsey-era misinformation, disinformation, toxicity and hate. Now, with the departure of the Grauniadistas, that’s all been halved again. X has a glorious future.
I’ve no idea what the Guardian thinks its going to achieve by this move. By retreating further into the left wing echo chamber they accelerate their isolation from voters.
But then reading the commentary over at the Guardian, after a brief moment of reflection that demeaning voters as bigots and ignoramuses may not be the best electoral tactic, they now seem to be fully back on board the “wrong electorate” explanation of Trump’s victory.
Sad demise of a once great newspaper.
Reading a takedown of the lefty hypocrites at the Guardian is nearly as satisfying as watching the continued decline of Man Utd.
Nearly.
And now they’re both in decline.
Spot on
Excellent article and I liked the photo chosen to represent what I take is the average reader of the Guardian, glum and sour. Whether a man or woman, can you imagine having a pint with him/her/it
Like having lunch with a condescending Karen: boring and filled with intemperate dismissals of others. It must be metaphysical punishment to be one of them.
… a somewhat fitting punishment methinks.
*They/them.
I looked at the picture and assumed it was a made up actor for a victorian frightener.
The comment sections on the Guardian used to fairly decent with some sensible people on it giving a good range of perspectives. However, they slowly imposed a single-point of view (against ‘deniers’) and reduced the number of articles with comments.
Now, when they open up the comments, all you get are a panoply of schoolteachers and civil servants who only read the Guardian and believe it’s the gospel truth, but who have very little real insight into non-left-wing politics or worldly realism.
The same thing happened on Reddit’s politics feeds. They dumped out the Trump section in the chase for ideological purity, and now just echo around Democrat talking points. Counter-views are not allowed so, frankly, what’s the point – it’s just like a continuous party political convention.
I also got the impression various individuals also tried to leave Twitter/X early in the US election campaign, but then had to go back to take arguments to independents.
Now Trump has won, I think the media feels it needs to break Twitter and this is another attempt (the fourth or fifth?). Their problem politically is that they just end up talking to themselves, and they can’t get centerists to join if they don’t also allow fair debate with people who don’t hold their views, something they continually want to run away from. So they get stuck, not knowing or understanding what’s really going on.
The lesson from the election is that no-one is really listening to Democrats any more. Screaming and shouting, and hiding heads in a pillows didn’t have the effect they sought, this comes across as more of the same.
Steven Patrick Morrissey (Mozz) was right about The Guardian. He was cancelled of course. Maybe we could uncancel him? He’s a good guy
I gave up the Guardian four years ago over their trans activism and treatment of Suzanne Moore. Owen Jones is an annoying berk. I’d also got fed up with the constant serving of ‘toxic males’ and seeing women journalist writing about ‘cis’ women.
I understand that Bill Gates is a big donor to their US operation, which might explain a few things.
Good football coverage and it’s free.
It’s also astonishing how they can shoehorn references to global warming or whatever it is they’re calling it these days into absolutely any article. I’m sure there’s a drinking game in there somewhere. Agree about the ‘toxic male’ thing – it’s practically a homeric epithet there now.
Personally I think it was Brexit sent them over the edge. They were never the same after that.
I have to say, this has been a major coup for the Clifton Suspension Bridge – how much time had any of us spent thinking about it before this? Suddenly everyone is talking about it.
The Guardian is a Marxist propaganda sheet. It makes perfect sense for them to leave X.. They cannot control the narrative on X. They cannot censor contrary opinion on X. They cannot operate in their usual way. I am sure they all feel very uncomfortable writing on X.
They made the logical decision. Propaganda only works if it is the only source of news. Only then can people be deceived.
Their audience will reduce down to its own contributors. And they can agree with each other until the end of time or until their Trust Fund runs out.
George Monbiot is a journalist?
X is a cesspit though. Some of the unhinged anti-jewish far-left stuff on there is one of the reasons I cancelled my account. I don’t want to see posts from awful people I don’t follow yet that is what it serves up. I just want to see the news sites and journalists I follow.
Hopefully there will be less antisemitic filth on X following the departure of the Guardian.
The Guardian will be back inside six months.
Their readers will be very impressed at the strength of The Guardian.
The Guardian – ugly views often filled with irrational hatred written by sad rich people. Only rich because they suckle from the teet of a tax avoiding sale of a profitable title at the right time. Katherine Viner really looks like Walter Matthau in a wig,
Spot on is this
The name speaks volumes? The Guardian… infantalises! Ironically, or significantly , by a kind of superannuating flattery of its readers, suggesting they are the more mature, responsible members of the society. The ‘self ownership’ only exacerbates the conceit. The Monitor, or still better the Monitors would be the appropriate monicker. Their business is other people’s business. Idle busybodies. Nosey parkers. Ignore them, for they know not what they do.
The mouthpiece of woke twattery has de-twittered.
The woke rectum has extweeted.
They don’t like being questioned on things which they believe have the wrong answers
Makes them cross.