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Pride protests strain America’s multicultural project

Armenian parents protest a Pride assembly in North Hollywood. Credit: Getty

June 19, 2023 - 11:53am

Earlier this month, the White House unfurled a Progress Pride flag flanked by two national flags. This prompted some to read the act as symbolising defeat of the Stars and Stripes by a new ruling ideology. Republican Senator Roger Marshall introduced a new bill to ban government buildings from flying any flag except the national one.

But it’s not just conservatives who are unconvinced by the triumph of Pride. A number of groups that have, until relatively recently, been viewed unambiguously as allies by the broader progressive project have begun to voice their dissent at the new rainbow supremacy.

Foremost, we find growing signs that Muslims — a group symbolised (sometimes surreally) in “inclusive” visuals and routinely co-opted as Leftist allies — may have a few questions about Pride. Footage circulated recently of Canadian Muslim children being encouraged by their parents to stamp on Pride flags, prompting an outbreak of startlingly Colonel Blimp-ish progressive calls to “send them home”. Meanwhile, the Guardian reported the “sense of betrayal” experienced by those liberals who had previously celebrated the first Muslim-majority council, in Hamtramck, Michigan, after that council instituted a city-wide ban on Pride insignia. 

Nor is this the only way the broader multicultural project finds itself in tension with the rainbow worldview. Under Progress Pride ideology, a woman is anyone who says they’re a woman, a belief that’s now enforceable by law in Washington State. But the Korean owner of women-only Olympus Spa disagrees, on very multicultural grounds. Olympus is a traditionally sex-segregated jimjilbang spa, where it is normal to be nude in communal areas. The owner filed a suit for the right to exclude trans-identified males, on free speech and freedom of religion grounds, arguing that Olympus would lose revenue if unable to exclude this group. But the court ruled in favour of Wilvich, who has intact male genitalia, triggering a heated protest and counter-protest.

And even in ultra-progressive California, minorities have broken out to protest the new order. Armenian parents in LA protested a Pride-themed assembly reading about same-sex parents. Elsewhere in Los Angeles, a running culture-war battle over the decision to “honour” the Christian-parody drag performers Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence at an LA Dodgers game prompted mass protests and a boycott by the 50% Latino (and hence often Catholic) Dodgers fanbase. 

The phrase “progressive stack”, in circulation since the days of Occupy Wall Street, refers to a notional hierarchy of “marginalisation” based on fixed identity characteristics. It’s a framework that has, in the years since Occupy, increasingly spread from radical politics toward the mainstream. What happens, then, when stakeholders in the “progressive stack” quarrel among themselves about their position in the pile?

Optimists imagine that the revelation that a purportedly monolithic group of “marginalised” voices in fact conceals many ideological inconsistencies will cause the whole edifice to come tumbling down. I am less sure; I think it more likely that such contests will simply make it clearer who takes precedence in the hierarchy.


Mary Harrington is a contributing editor at UnHerd.

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polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

“Meanwhile, the Guardian reported the “sense of betrayal” experienced by those liberals who had previously celebrated the first Muslim-majority council, in Hamtramck, Michigan, after that council instituted a city-wide ban on Pride insignia.”
By what right do liberals feel betrayal when Muslims prefer to be muslim? Perhaps liberals need to wind their necks in.

brian knott
brian knott
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

You have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  brian knott

I just don’t know who I want to lose

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  brian knott

I have a heart of stone, and I laughed.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  brian knott

I just don’t know who I want to lose

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  brian knott

I have a heart of stone, and I laughed.

jane baker
jane baker
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Seems like those Muslims didn’t realise they were being the recipients of tolerance and grace. They weren’t I would guess,expected to do anything in accordance with their well known World View. It’s a bit like here in UK when the Labour party over several generations now to a greater or lesser extent promotes ethnic people over indigenous white in the delusion that this widens their support base and not yet even quite cottoning on that those people want prosperity (or they’d have stayed at home) and once they get some they vote Tory.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

BTW…the council did not ban the flag in the city. It banned the flying of the flag on city buildings or in city property. They clearly said that private homes and businesses were of course free to fly it.
In fact, they did not exclude only the Pride Flag, they said that the only flags that can be flown are the US Flag, the State Flag and the City Flag. In short….only government related flags may be flown on city property.

John Galt Was Correct
John Galt Was Correct
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

It’s the overwhelming sense of righteous saviourism that ‘liberals’ have due to their ginormous reserves of smugness and arrogance. They think of everyone else as pets for their self-imagined benevolence. When the pets don’t behave as expected it offends their fragile narcissistic egos.

brian knott
brian knott
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

You have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.

jane baker
jane baker
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

Seems like those Muslims didn’t realise they were being the recipients of tolerance and grace. They weren’t I would guess,expected to do anything in accordance with their well known World View. It’s a bit like here in UK when the Labour party over several generations now to a greater or lesser extent promotes ethnic people over indigenous white in the delusion that this widens their support base and not yet even quite cottoning on that those people want prosperity (or they’d have stayed at home) and once they get some they vote Tory.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

BTW…the council did not ban the flag in the city. It banned the flying of the flag on city buildings or in city property. They clearly said that private homes and businesses were of course free to fly it.
In fact, they did not exclude only the Pride Flag, they said that the only flags that can be flown are the US Flag, the State Flag and the City Flag. In short….only government related flags may be flown on city property.

John Galt Was Correct
John Galt Was Correct
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

It’s the overwhelming sense of righteous saviourism that ‘liberals’ have due to their ginormous reserves of smugness and arrogance. They think of everyone else as pets for their self-imagined benevolence. When the pets don’t behave as expected it offends their fragile narcissistic egos.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

“Meanwhile, the Guardian reported the “sense of betrayal” experienced by those liberals who had previously celebrated the first Muslim-majority council, in Hamtramck, Michigan, after that council instituted a city-wide ban on Pride insignia.”
By what right do liberals feel betrayal when Muslims prefer to be muslim? Perhaps liberals need to wind their necks in.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

The “T” IN “LBGT” makes no sense to me. I view trans as a covert form of gay cancellation.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

That’s rather unprogessive of you Frank.

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

No. It’s counter-cultural.

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

No. It’s counter-cultural.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Also, the ‘B’ in ‘LGBT’ makes no sense to me. I see only two categories … 1. Those who are repelled by the opposite sex (L & G). 2. Those who are attracted to the opposite sex (the rest of us).

jane baker
jane baker
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Which letter applies to people so charmless and ugly no one of any proclivity whatever wishes to engage in sexual activity with them,and why is ones sexual ‘validity” seen as,or at least promoted as,the approved stamp of society belonging. It seems to me that there has always been an element of this. After all they used to burn ugly,strange old women and in the musical Oaklahoma the villain is the sad git who lives alone in the shack and can’t get any..,.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Can’t you find a better way, Gordon, to express the one difference between gay and straight people? I’m a gay man, and I’m definitely not “repelled” by women.

Cate Terwilliger
Cate Terwilliger
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

My lesbian self thanks you. There’s quite a distance between being attracted to one sex and being repelled by the other.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago

Ditto my comment to Mr Nathanson.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago

Ditto my comment to Mr Nathanson.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Ok, but are you repelled at the idea of sexual contact with a woman? That’s where the repel element resides.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Arehart

Thank you Betsy … I assumed that my attraction/repulsion magnetic analogy would be understood as ONLY relating to one-on-one intimate sexual liaison … my mistake.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

To Gordon and Betsy, no. I’m not interested in sexual relations with women, even bored, but definitely not repelled. There’s a huge difference.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

To Gordon and Betsy, no. I’m not interested in sexual relations with women, even bored, but definitely not repelled. There’s a huge difference.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Arehart

Thank you Betsy … I assumed that my attraction/repulsion magnetic analogy would be understood as ONLY relating to one-on-one intimate sexual liaison … my mistake.

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Do “gay” men exist? They seem quite happy to have intimate relations with women.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Albert McGloan

There have always been many gay men who had sexual relations with women, mainly because they wanted to participate fully in family and communal life. Now, that’s no longer necessary and therefore less common. But gay men–we do exist–find ultimate satisfaction with other men.

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Even the most effeminate, dainty young “gay” men today are sexually active with women. Lavender marriages might be on the way out, but so it seems are “gay” men (!)

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Albert McGloan

Let us know about the research that backs up your claim, Albert.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul Nathanson
Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

It seems to be a generational phenomenon. Listening to the host of The Perfume Nationalist admit he’d be “less gay” if he were ten years younger confirmed my own, uh, “research”.

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

It seems to be a generational phenomenon. Listening to the host of The Perfume Nationalist admit he’d be “less gay” if he were ten years younger confirmed my own, uh, “research”.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Albert McGloan

Let us know about the research that backs up your claim, Albert.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul Nathanson
Michael McElwee
Michael McElwee
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Ultimate satisfaction?

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Even the most effeminate, dainty young “gay” men today are sexually active with women. Lavender marriages might be on the way out, but so it seems are “gay” men (!)

Michael McElwee
Michael McElwee
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Ultimate satisfaction?

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Albert McGloan

There have always been many gay men who had sexual relations with women, mainly because they wanted to participate fully in family and communal life. Now, that’s no longer necessary and therefore less common. But gay men–we do exist–find ultimate satisfaction with other men.

Cate Terwilliger
Cate Terwilliger
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

My lesbian self thanks you. There’s quite a distance between being attracted to one sex and being repelled by the other.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Ok, but are you repelled at the idea of sexual contact with a woman? That’s where the repel element resides.

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

Do “gay” men exist? They seem quite happy to have intimate relations with women.

jane baker
jane baker
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Which letter applies to people so charmless and ugly no one of any proclivity whatever wishes to engage in sexual activity with them,and why is ones sexual ‘validity” seen as,or at least promoted as,the approved stamp of society belonging. It seems to me that there has always been an element of this. After all they used to burn ugly,strange old women and in the musical Oaklahoma the villain is the sad git who lives alone in the shack and can’t get any..,.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Can’t you find a better way, Gordon, to express the one difference between gay and straight people? I’m a gay man, and I’m definitely not “repelled” by women.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

It’s conversion therapy for gay and lesbian people.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

It is. There is no such thing as gay or lesbian. You are just in the wrong body.

Mark V
Mark V
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Political language is intentionally nonsense.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

That’s rather unprogessive of you Frank.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Also, the ‘B’ in ‘LGBT’ makes no sense to me. I see only two categories … 1. Those who are repelled by the opposite sex (L & G). 2. Those who are attracted to the opposite sex (the rest of us).

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

It’s conversion therapy for gay and lesbian people.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

It is. There is no such thing as gay or lesbian. You are just in the wrong body.

Mark V
Mark V
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Political language is intentionally nonsense.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

The “T” IN “LBGT” makes no sense to me. I view trans as a covert form of gay cancellation.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

This morning I went into a Superdrug Pharmacy to buy some toothpaste, but found the interior festooned with Pride merchandise, so I immediately walked out and bought my toothpaste at the Boots down the road, which wasn’t displaying any of this depraved garbage.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Has Gerald Ratner joined the Superdrug Board by any chance?

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Has Gerald Ratner joined the Superdrug Board by any chance?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

This morning I went into a Superdrug Pharmacy to buy some toothpaste, but found the interior festooned with Pride merchandise, so I immediately walked out and bought my toothpaste at the Boots down the road, which wasn’t displaying any of this depraved garbage.

Daoud Fakhri
Daoud Fakhri
1 year ago

I think it more likely that such contests will simply make it clearer who takes precedence in the hierarchy.
This is an important point to make. Progressive ideology is aggressively secular and hostile to religion. Until now, virtually all of this hostility has been directed against Christianity. However, with Islam now apparently in conflict with LGBT dogma, we can expect the progressives to turn against Islam. How this develops will be an interesting spectacle.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

If not a dangerous one. When the 3 radical fsctions lock horns in those particular tribes fireworks may be expected.

jane baker
jane baker
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

Yes indeed.

Janet G
Janet G
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

Not “LGBT dogma” but “T dogma”.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

If not a dangerous one. When the 3 radical fsctions lock horns in those particular tribes fireworks may be expected.

jane baker
jane baker
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

Yes indeed.

Janet G
Janet G
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

Not “LGBT dogma” but “T dogma”.

Daoud Fakhri
Daoud Fakhri
1 year ago

I think it more likely that such contests will simply make it clearer who takes precedence in the hierarchy.
This is an important point to make. Progressive ideology is aggressively secular and hostile to religion. Until now, virtually all of this hostility has been directed against Christianity. However, with Islam now apparently in conflict with LGBT dogma, we can expect the progressives to turn against Islam. How this develops will be an interesting spectacle.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
1 year ago

Translating this blowback to the UK context, this is why I’m very skeptical that the Red Wall will actually go back to Labour come the day. I suspect many especially older voters, are gonna be like, “Yeah… thanks but no thanks” especially if the Tories have enough nous to simply mention wokery issues to tee the debate up in the run up to polling day. They don’t even need to take an explicit position – just light the blue touchpaper and then stand well back, as they watch Labourites of various hues walk into the debate and self-immolate by expressing a rainbow of self-incriminating opinions.

Andrew Buckley
Andrew Buckley
1 year ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Just keep asking the question – “what is a woman?”

Martin Terrell
Martin Terrell
1 year ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Problem is the Tories are just as bad. They are pushing this agenda hard enough, and if they try to change tack it will be too late ti make a difference and won’t be credible anyway. Predict lots of ‘prime minister says 
’ in the media but no change to actual policy. The only difference is that Labour won’t pretend to be surprised.

Andrew Buckley
Andrew Buckley
1 year ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Just keep asking the question – “what is a woman?”

Martin Terrell
Martin Terrell
1 year ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Problem is the Tories are just as bad. They are pushing this agenda hard enough, and if they try to change tack it will be too late ti make a difference and won’t be credible anyway. Predict lots of ‘prime minister says 
’ in the media but no change to actual policy. The only difference is that Labour won’t pretend to be surprised.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
1 year ago

Translating this blowback to the UK context, this is why I’m very skeptical that the Red Wall will actually go back to Labour come the day. I suspect many especially older voters, are gonna be like, “Yeah… thanks but no thanks” especially if the Tories have enough nous to simply mention wokery issues to tee the debate up in the run up to polling day. They don’t even need to take an explicit position – just light the blue touchpaper and then stand well back, as they watch Labourites of various hues walk into the debate and self-immolate by expressing a rainbow of self-incriminating opinions.

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

There are two ways of looking at what is going on in Hamtramck.
The first possibility is that the local government has banned the flying of all flags on municipal buildings in a bad-faith move aimed implicitly at the Pride flag.
But another possibility is this: that the local government – made up of first-generation immigrants to the USA – understands that the best way to integrate newcomers to the country is to keep sectarian and confessional affiliations out of politics.
Some of my family’s ancestors who received US citizenship had to do that, when they were required to “renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whatever”. The crafters of this oath understood that in building a new nation, there could be allegiance to only one flag.

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago

There are two ways of looking at what is going on in Hamtramck.
The first possibility is that the local government has banned the flying of all flags on municipal buildings in a bad-faith move aimed implicitly at the Pride flag.
But another possibility is this: that the local government – made up of first-generation immigrants to the USA – understands that the best way to integrate newcomers to the country is to keep sectarian and confessional affiliations out of politics.
Some of my family’s ancestors who received US citizenship had to do that, when they were required to “renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty whatever”. The crafters of this oath understood that in building a new nation, there could be allegiance to only one flag.

Karl Juhnke
Karl Juhnke
1 year ago

Thanks Mary. Another great American export to add to the rest of their madness.

Karl Juhnke
Karl Juhnke
1 year ago

Thanks Mary. Another great American export to add to the rest of their madness.

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago

I suggest that readers follow the link to “progressive stack”. You couldn’t make it up. And you have been warned, as it is bound to cross the pond, if it isn’t here already.
But no need to worry, since apparently and not surprisingly, how you ‘identify’ is what counts, so if you are that pathetic creature, a white cis-gendered straight male, all you have to have to do is self-identify as a transgender POC lesbian, and you will rise to the top of the stack. You will then be prioritized for “in-class contributions that [allow] marginalized students to speak before non-marginalized students.”

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

I saw that too – absolutely appalling. Especially the reference to the ‘white male problem’. I have run out of patience with these creeps.
The problem is they’re not trying to be more ‘inclusive’ – they’re excluding whites and whites only.
Here in the UK, the exam boards recently removed Seamus Heaney and Philip Larkin from the syllabus and replaced them with 20 new ‘poets’ and guess what? In a country that is 82% white there was not a single white male.
I wouldn’t mind so much if they were better writers but nearly all of it is meretricious crap.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

“I have run out of patience with these creeps”
I have completely stopped showing these revolting paedos any courtesy.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Likewise – I grow increasingly militant. Basta!

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Likewise – I grow increasingly militant. Basta!

J Hop
J Hop
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Yes, the whole thing is very South Africa, and we all know how that turned out.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

“I have run out of patience with these creeps”
I have completely stopped showing these revolting paedos any courtesy.

J Hop
J Hop
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Yes, the whole thing is very South Africa, and we all know how that turned out.

Emre S
Emre S
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

I wonder if and when scholarly work itself will be declared white supremacist and then perhaps journals will start publishing streams of consciousness from the most victimised in place of academic work.

Last edited 1 year ago by Emre S
Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Emre S

….aren’t we there already?

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Emre S

….aren’t we there already?

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

I saw that too – absolutely appalling. Especially the reference to the ‘white male problem’. I have run out of patience with these creeps.
The problem is they’re not trying to be more ‘inclusive’ – they’re excluding whites and whites only.
Here in the UK, the exam boards recently removed Seamus Heaney and Philip Larkin from the syllabus and replaced them with 20 new ‘poets’ and guess what? In a country that is 82% white there was not a single white male.
I wouldn’t mind so much if they were better writers but nearly all of it is meretricious crap.

Emre S
Emre S
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

I wonder if and when scholarly work itself will be declared white supremacist and then perhaps journals will start publishing streams of consciousness from the most victimised in place of academic work.

Last edited 1 year ago by Emre S
Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago

I suggest that readers follow the link to “progressive stack”. You couldn’t make it up. And you have been warned, as it is bound to cross the pond, if it isn’t here already.
But no need to worry, since apparently and not surprisingly, how you ‘identify’ is what counts, so if you are that pathetic creature, a white cis-gendered straight male, all you have to have to do is self-identify as a transgender POC lesbian, and you will rise to the top of the stack. You will then be prioritized for “in-class contributions that [allow] marginalized students to speak before non-marginalized students.”

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago

The only positive to massive uncontrolled immigration from the Third World is that most of the incomers are strongly religious and likely to push back strongly against this insanity the moment it begins encroaching on their enclaves. I can’t picture trans activists lasting long in a Bradford school or Tower Hamlets church hall.

Last edited 1 year ago by robertdkwright
Peter D
Peter D
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

I commented to a colleague a few years ago who was a senior part of River City Pride, that if they keep attacking white Australia, that he would have to go back into the closet. His response was “I know.”
They know they are biting the hand that feeds them. We have given them everything they asked for and still they want to bring everything down.

Peter D
Peter D
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

I commented to a colleague a few years ago who was a senior part of River City Pride, that if they keep attacking white Australia, that he would have to go back into the closet. His response was “I know.”
They know they are biting the hand that feeds them. We have given them everything they asked for and still they want to bring everything down.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago

The only positive to massive uncontrolled immigration from the Third World is that most of the incomers are strongly religious and likely to push back strongly against this insanity the moment it begins encroaching on their enclaves. I can’t picture trans activists lasting long in a Bradford school or Tower Hamlets church hall.

Last edited 1 year ago by robertdkwright
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

I think our profound skepticism of the trans movement can easily cloud judgement about what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate protest. I fully support the Muslim town council in Michigan that won’t fly pride flags. We need much, much more of this.

Yet I think it’s creepy when Muslim parents encourage children to stomp on a pride flag. It dehumanizes the group you oppose. IMO it teaches children that the people represented by the flag are less than human. I may profoundly disagree with the trans movement, but they are still human beings

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

While I am inclined to sympathise with your view it should not be forgotten that the flag is a battle emblem. Countries have flags but it is only very recently that sexual preferences have acquired a flag as part of their ideological battle to be planted on conquered territory, so it is understandable that those that oppose the ideology wish to see the flag of conquest trampled.

If public buildings wanted to be inclusive they would fly the heterosexual flag as well. You might ask what that is. As far as I know there is none as heterosexuals do not have a specific ideology they wish to impose nowadays – although up until Wolfenden the law did make male homosexuality illegal in England but there was no specific flag for the straight to wave. Personally I have no desire to march behind a Straight flag or to see it flown but neither do I wish to see LGBTQAI+ flags flown. Your sexual preference is a private matter not something to be celebrated with aggressive flag waving.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I hate those flags. I find them just as dismal as the red ones with the white circle and the Hakenkreuz on them.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

While I am inclined to sympathise with your view it should not be forgotten that the flag is a battle emblem. Countries have flags but it is only very recently that sexual preferences have acquired a flag as part of their ideological battle to be planted on conquered territory, so it is understandable that those that oppose the ideology wish to see the flag of conquest trampled.

If public buildings wanted to be inclusive they would fly the heterosexual flag as well. You might ask what that is. As far as I know there is none as heterosexuals do not have a specific ideology they wish to impose nowadays – although up until Wolfenden the law did make male homosexuality illegal in England but there was no specific flag for the straight to wave. Personally I have no desire to march behind a Straight flag or to see it flown but neither do I wish to see LGBTQAI+ flags flown. Your sexual preference is a private matter not something to be celebrated with aggressive flag waving.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

I hate those flags. I find them just as dismal as the red ones with the white circle and the Hakenkreuz on them.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

I think our profound skepticism of the trans movement can easily cloud judgement about what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate protest. I fully support the Muslim town council in Michigan that won’t fly pride flags. We need much, much more of this.

Yet I think it’s creepy when Muslim parents encourage children to stomp on a pride flag. It dehumanizes the group you oppose. IMO it teaches children that the people represented by the flag are less than human. I may profoundly disagree with the trans movement, but they are still human beings

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago

The time is overdue for conservatives and traditionalists to take back the institutions through which the woke, intolerant, anti-liberal Marxist Left has had its long march. If that also means taking back the streets through public displays of sentiment, so be it. This is not the time to capitulate to insanity, but to regain the sober-minded virtues on which Western society was built and which has and will sustain it if the libertine, nihilistic impulses of a tiny majority are successfully resisted. If the majority merely shrug their shoulders, the battle is lost.

It remains to be seen if the leaders of Christian, conservative Jewish, and Muslim faiths will actively engage. So far, they have been largely AWOL.

“All that remains for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” – Sir Edmund Burke

Gerald Arcuri
Gerald Arcuri
1 year ago

The time is overdue for conservatives and traditionalists to take back the institutions through which the woke, intolerant, anti-liberal Marxist Left has had its long march. If that also means taking back the streets through public displays of sentiment, so be it. This is not the time to capitulate to insanity, but to regain the sober-minded virtues on which Western society was built and which has and will sustain it if the libertine, nihilistic impulses of a tiny majority are successfully resisted. If the majority merely shrug their shoulders, the battle is lost.

It remains to be seen if the leaders of Christian, conservative Jewish, and Muslim faiths will actively engage. So far, they have been largely AWOL.

“All that remains for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.” – Sir Edmund Burke

Mike Michaels
Mike Michaels
1 year ago

Proof that we are honouring one side of a bargain that will never be kept. Madness

Mike Michaels
Mike Michaels
1 year ago

Proof that we are honouring one side of a bargain that will never be kept. Madness

Emre S
Emre S
1 year ago

Islam has a rich history of meeting progressive thought. It’s not yet another member of the Progressive stack, and it has more depth here than either the Left or Right in the West give credit for.

Emre S
Emre S
1 year ago

Islam has a rich history of meeting progressive thought. It’s not yet another member of the Progressive stack, and it has more depth here than either the Left or Right in the West give credit for.

leonard o'reilly
leonard o'reilly
1 year ago

A little Nietzsche, anyone?
At one stroke the bond and constraint of the old discipline are torn…..Variation, whether as deviation ( to something higher, subtler, rarer ) or as degeneration or monstrosity, suddenly appears on the scene in the greatest abundance and magnificence: the individual dares to be individual and different….
At these turning points in history we behold beside one another, and often mutually involved and entangled, a splendid, manifold, junglelike growth and upward striving, a kind of tropical tempo in the competition to grow, and a tremendous ruin and self-ruination, as the savage egoisms that have turned, almost exploded, against one another wrestle for ‘sun and light’ and can no longer derive any limit, restraint, or consideration from their previous morality…..
…..the individual appears, obliged to give himself laws and to develop his own arts and wiles for self-preservation, self-enhancement, self-redemption….
All sorts of new what-fors and wherewithals, no shared formulations any longer; misunderstanding allied with disrespect; decay, corruption and the highest desires gruesomely entangled……”
Well, there’s a lot more where that came from.
Sounds like an old fire and brimstoner, don’t he? An irony he found it difficult to conceal.

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leonard o'reilly
leonard o'reilly
1 year ago

A little Nietzsche, anyone?
At one stroke the bond and constraint of the old discipline are torn…..Variation, whether as deviation ( to something higher, subtler, rarer ) or as degeneration or monstrosity, suddenly appears on the scene in the greatest abundance and magnificence: the individual dares to be individual and different….
At these turning points in history we behold beside one another, and often mutually involved and entangled, a splendid, manifold, junglelike growth and upward striving, a kind of tropical tempo in the competition to grow, and a tremendous ruin and self-ruination, as the savage egoisms that have turned, almost exploded, against one another wrestle for ‘sun and light’ and can no longer derive any limit, restraint, or consideration from their previous morality…..
…..the individual appears, obliged to give himself laws and to develop his own arts and wiles for self-preservation, self-enhancement, self-redemption….
All sorts of new what-fors and wherewithals, no shared formulations any longer; misunderstanding allied with disrespect; decay, corruption and the highest desires gruesomely entangled……”
Well, there’s a lot more where that came from.
Sounds like an old fire and brimstoner, don’t he? An irony he found it difficult to conceal.

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Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago

I see this whole thing fracturing.

Blacks & White Progressives v. Everyone else on Merit in Education

Gays and Lesbians v. Trans Activists

Socially Conservative Immigrants v. Progressive Social Policy

Most Parents v. Govt Trans Activists + State Intervention on affirmation

Majority of Voters v. Green New Deal policies

Shareholders v. ESG Investing

Most of the US Population v. Woke Ideology.

Kids who started transitioning v. The doctors who did it

I predicted there would be a wave of lawsuits by older teens and young adults against the medical people who gave them hormones and cut off their private parts and it is starting to happen. One or two big settlements or judgements and those doctors and their insurance companies are gonna be bailing out on that practice.

The worm is turning. You can feel it.

You can see it in the rage. You can see it in the vicious way that the trans activists attack those who de-transition.

There is a major backlash coming. Its brewing. It shows up in polling. It is showing up in boycotts. It is showing up in the disagreements between the various “marginalized” groups. You see that “trans” is becoming less cool and more “sad” or “weird” on social media.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago

I see this whole thing fracturing.

Blacks & White Progressives v. Everyone else on Merit in Education

Gays and Lesbians v. Trans Activists

Socially Conservative Immigrants v. Progressive Social Policy

Most Parents v. Govt Trans Activists + State Intervention on affirmation

Majority of Voters v. Green New Deal policies

Shareholders v. ESG Investing

Most of the US Population v. Woke Ideology.

Kids who started transitioning v. The doctors who did it

I predicted there would be a wave of lawsuits by older teens and young adults against the medical people who gave them hormones and cut off their private parts and it is starting to happen. One or two big settlements or judgements and those doctors and their insurance companies are gonna be bailing out on that practice.

The worm is turning. You can feel it.

You can see it in the rage. You can see it in the vicious way that the trans activists attack those who de-transition.

There is a major backlash coming. Its brewing. It shows up in polling. It is showing up in boycotts. It is showing up in the disagreements between the various “marginalized” groups. You see that “trans” is becoming less cool and more “sad” or “weird” on social media.

Aidan Barrett
Aidan Barrett
1 year ago

Blacks are clearly at the top as this article from Cornell illustrates:

https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-professor-trapped-in-anti-racist-hell

Aidan Barrett
Aidan Barrett
1 year ago

Blacks are clearly at the top as this article from Cornell illustrates:

https://compactmag.com/article/a-black-professor-trapped-in-anti-racist-hell

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago

Pride is a sin

Rule by homosexuals. Will be as successful for the West, as it has been for the Catholic Church

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago

Pride is a sin

Rule by homosexuals. Will be as successful for the West, as it has been for the Catholic Church

Cate Terwilliger
Cate Terwilliger
1 year ago

Many lesbians and gay men who recognize the misogyny and homophobia that drive gender ideology are also speaking out. It’s maddening to have our acronym and movement hijacked by this madness; more of us are saying so, creating fissures in the strategically fabricated notion of an “LGBTQ+ community” that was never real in the first place.