The Internet has always been filled with junk: porn, flamewars, and the dreaded “misinformation.” According to a new study in Nature, it’s no more toxic today than in the past. Levels of rudeness and hostility online have stayed the same for over 34 years across practically every platform.
The only thing that has changed is the surface area. Not only are more people online, but more people are online all the time. The Internet has gone from a place where you could theoretically get your news to where most people get their news, with few exceptions. It’s understandable that people would feel more impacted by the Internet and mistake that for a change in toxicity. The real change, as it turns out, is our time online.
According to the researchers behind the study, toxicity online is just human nature. In other words, the medium — how we communicate, as opposed to the “what” — is the danger.
It inspires a question: why do we focus on moderation and curbing toxic comments and misinformation with entire industries of so-called experts instead of trying to moderate our Internet usage?
On a recent episode of 60 Minutes, featured misinformation experts argued that researchers are experiencing a “chilling effect” on social media platforms because of pushback from Republican policymakers who feel that claims about misinformation are being used to silence conservative voices. The experts argue that conservatives do spread more false, misleading, or downright dangerous information.
One one of their recommendations for solving that problem is a process called “pre-bunking.” In their words, pre-bunking is simply arming users with the tools to identify these posts. They fear that the public will struggle without this help — Republicans, rightfully, say that all they’re doing is vilifying conservative positions.
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SubscribeI can think of many cases during Covid where censorship of so-called misinformation could have strongly impacted the formation of govt policy. I can’t think of any misinformation that was allowed on social media that impacted policy. People might point to election denial and say this is the type of information that needs to be censored, but that would have occurred anyway, because Trump was talking about it all the time. Any censorship of social media would not have stopped him from talking about it. Maybe I have a blind spot. Am I missing something?
We are all already familiar with this. The invention of printing by Gutenberg had similar consequences when, as desperate rulers and church authorities said, any idiot who was taught to read and write was able to print his opinion in many copies, and other idiots could read it.
Then everyone began to cut each other. Later all this was called the Reformation.
With the invention of the Internet and the fact that everyone can say something on the Internet, everything became even more fun, because the difference between politicians, scientists, “experts” and “Influencers” was completely erased in everything, including the minimum presence of intelligence. Even being able to read/write became optional.
The only question is with what zeal we will cut each other.
I think your own example tells us that the current chaos will eventually self-correct. Eventually sense prevailed and we got literature, science and the industrial revolution.
your own example ?
The printing press and the Reformation.
The jackal press and the French Revolution.
Thank you!
Historically, the “self-correct” was a combination of editors’ responsibility to balance freedom of the press.
But the porn and scurrilous pamphlet publishing never went away, society just learnt to live with it and become “media savvy” – a skill that is today seriously lacking. In the US, older generations still trust the broadcast media because in their youth, the fairness doctrine put obligations on broadcasters, now of course long gone.
The industrial revolution was not an unalloyed joy for most men, women and children working in the factories, and along with science came Protestant fundamentalist obscurantism. Progress is always a mixed bag, it’s always up to us, the citizen, to act responsibly.
The Protestants do have a lot to answer for.
That bloody ‘work ethic’ thing has ben the bane of my life.
Sense prevailed?
For a while.
What about Marxism and Communism?
Gutenberg’s printing revolution boosted three categories of print: bibles, porn, and scurrilous political pamphlets.
“Everything must change so that things can remain the same.”
Giovanni di Lampedusa, “The Leopard”
Misinformation researchers are simply a self-selecting band of people who don’t like being disagreed with.
Spot-on, Dougie.
Most people consume information from a multitude of sources and are quite capable of making sound judgements about it’s quality.
For myself, I follow American politics quite closely and am often quite shocked by the inaccuracy of the coverage in the UK establishment media. For example: three years on the BBC is still telling listeners that five people died in the Capitol riot.
Hugh,
Apologies, but I think you must have led quite a ‘sheltered life’.
‘Most people consume information from a multitude of sources and are quite capable of making sound judgements about it’s quality‘.
Now we have nine people died in the Capitol riot (Wiki!). Initially it was one woman only killed by cop.
This number began to rise when it began to include various causes, such as heart attacks and accidental overdoses after the event. I think the final results will be tallied when we take into account the number of people killed in car accidents in DC over the next month.
The BBC has a track record of spreading misinformation going back decades. For example, following the Unilateral Declaration of Independence by Rhodesia in 1965, BBC TV film crews threw half-crown coins (worth £2-3 in 2024 money) into rubbish bins and filmed Black kids scrabbling headfirst to retrieve them – this footage was used in main TV news bulletins as evidence of the starving Black children in the recist regime. The same crew filmed Black office workers lying in the sun on the grass of Cecil Square in the capital city, Salisbury, at lunch break and reported that they had been shot by Rhodesian security forces! Their current coverage of the Gaza conflict seems very biased. So don’t believe everything the BBC’s ‘disinformation specialist’ (the Oxbridge-educated Marianna Spring) and her journalist colleagues dish out! The BBC lives and breathes disinformation, but promotes itself as a leading torchbearer of free speech and and beacon of objectivity – bulldust!
https://www.thearticle.com/the-bbc-and-israel-an-update
After performing a study on the matter, I’ve concluded that Misinformation Experts are less reliable than the murky answers derived from my Magic 8 Ball and they have more hallucinations than Google’s AI platform.
Life has too many variables for a small group of humans to say they’ve processed them all before arriving at their 140-character ‘truth bomb.’
But these Misinformation Experts do feed their rich and influential (and not very smart) customers fanciful narratives that buttress their already-formed confirmation biases, so the ‘Experts’ do get paid well. This causes their ‘industry’ to proliferate ‘Experts’ like rabbits.
These ‘Experts’ also cause a lot of unwarranted harm and damage to individuals in society before each one of them is outed as the fraud that they are.
In ancient days, Misinformation Experts went by another name…the King’s soothsayer: “My Lord, I have read the signs and you must destroy your enemies, for they worship false gods and believe in idolatrous heresies…they are savages who must be placed under the yoke of bondage within your kingdom….”
A lucrative and highly-enticing (albeit anti-enlightenment) job if there ever was one.
Another lucrative gig is ‘AI ethics’.
Does this all apply to ‘Unherd Factcheck’?
Thank goodness we have yourself and Champagne Socialist to balance things out!
Don’t think it’s fair to compare Robbie to CS.
You’re right, he hasn’t reached the same peak of self-righteous imbecility yet but you have to admire how hard he’s working at getting there. You go, Robbie!
Awww, don’t like the echo chamber being disrupted eh?
It must hurt to shout and hear no echo.
Where exactly are the echoes here??? it’s clearly one of the distinctive aspects of UnHerd, the posters here offer a wide variety of insights.
Come off it – the audience here is saturated by far right ideology, anything questioning it always gets shouted down or worse, suppressed by moderation.
You live in a world where Elon Musk and JK Rowling are now considered “Far Right.”
Far right ideology … such as?
“Far right” … a phrase used to scare ordinary people away from anything that isn’t apparatchik-approved progressive dogma.
As to comments removed by moderation, it seems to be a blight here, no matter your political leanings — no matter progressive or “far right” (i.e. anything not aligned to the Guardian narrative).
Yes, that is the downside of being a balanced, common sense, truth-seeking sort … one inevitably end up in this pesky ‘balanced, common sense, truth-seeking’ echo chamber.
Is there one?
You used to make intelligent contributions. What happened?
In other words, witch finders always see witches…
Fascists calling themselves ‘misinformation experts’ are the Western worlds Stasi, or Islamic moral police, or witch finders…name your tyrants throughout history. All regimes fall.
Time for these leftist fascists to be overthrown.
I think we’re going to have to rearrange our politics to take account of the new media era, not try to suppress the media so we can have the old style of politics and decision making back.
So many people think “misinformation” has something to do with truth and falsity. When all it is, is any statement that runs contrary to current regime narratives. We all should know that.
Case in point, the regime (i.e. all organs of society captured by progressive ideology, which is most of them) accepts and promulgates Hamas’s casualty figures, “30000 deaths, mostly women and children” despite this fraud being debunked by statistical examination (Tablet Magazine, a couple of weeks ago). This would be misinformation if the term had anything to do with truth vs falsity. But as we know, this falsity is regime dogma, and regime dogma is never “misinformation”.
‘lies, damn lies and statistics’
I find it bizarre that legacy media are proudly flaunting the use of “fact checkers”.
Wasn’t that what journalists were supposed to do?
They all got fired and created a whole new class of NGOs.
Journalism schooling, which was unheard of back in the day, has “de-natured”* all the journalists. Perhaps one day there’ll be a little blue pill to deal with it.
(* just trying to be polite)
What surprises me most is the appearance of Internet bloggers with their opinions in the legacy media. They are apparently supposed to represent «Vox Populi, Vox Dei». I will never forget my amazement when I first saw this «Vox Populi» in a threadbare sweater, slightly covered with dust and pieces of cobwebs from the basement from which he had just been pulled out.
Here’s the difference between Biden and Trump. You have the president of Mexico running around demanding $20 billion to even lift a finger at the border. That would last about three minutes under Trump. Rinse and repeat for Iran, for NATO members, NGOs etc.
The DPRK too? I don’t recall much happening the last time?
Otherwise, I’d tend to concur.
60 minutes used to be a good show…. but add it to the list of formerly good media outlets in the West who have lost most of their credibility.
Progressives are soft totalitarians.
Don’t be fooled, only at first glance they all look cute, until they feel like they can beat and kill you with complete impunity, and that moment comes much sooner than you expect.
No such thing as misinformation experts, the covid debacle has shown politicians and mainstream media to be completely corrupt, well organised, and part of globalised initiative to indebt and bankrupt society, move to technocratic governance, remove the importance of humans through technological replacement and divide and conquer through fear and hatred propaganda.
Everyone states this is just cause and effect, no this is ‘Plan and Implement’ these elites do not value humanity. They despise humans, and they fund anything which prevents life, planned parenthood etc and call in philanthropy. The end days are close because humanity is lost and giving up the fight, because there are too many issues to fight in this perma-crisis created world. The enemy is up, the puppet masters are controlling the strings. Find peace with your maker, as depopulation plan is fully in swing.
Misinformation is anything that might make you vote the wrong way.