If the Great Reset is an “extreme populist horror”, why has Klaus Schwab written two books about it, and our king made the launch speech about it?
Paul T
2 months ago
“critical thinking”…
“In a narrow sense, “Critical Theory” (often denoted with capital letters) refers to the work of several generations of philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School. Beginning in the 1930s at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, it is best known for interdisciplinary research that combines philosophy and social science with the practical aim of furthering emancipation.”
What this means is “control of the means and methods of thought, through the institutions” which is being spearheaded by DEI, ESG, CRT and Queer Theory.
Well hang on. All that Frankfurt School stuff is “Critical Theory”, a particular school of thought. Let’s not give its proponents branding rights over the much more common sense and general idea of critical thinking, which just means to look closely at any claim made by anyone; akin to circumspection or scepticism.
You are correct. Unfortunately, there are many academics and students who are unable to tell the difference between the two as you do. They truly believe that believing in Critical Theory makes them critical thinkers. This is part of the reason of so much animosity toward non-degree holders by the education establishment. Because the ‘right’ reject Critical Theory, they are uncritical and therefore not worth consulting about anything.
Critical Theory is to academics what Scientology is to Hollywood actors.
On the upside, Critical Theory (at least initially) encouraged the critique of dominant elite ideology. It wasn’t a way of warning the kids about dangerous outsiders. It encouraged people to look at what those in dominance were saying, and how it might serve their interests. In a sense, the critical theorists were the outsiders.
Now such a look at the ideology of our current elites, and what their interests might be in promoting it, would not be a bad thing. The problem with critical theorists is that they have largely been co opted as border guards for the new dominant ideology. Or are still busy fighting a bourgeois ideology that was current fifty years ago. But then who wouldn’t do that for a cushy job and a second home in tuscany.
Good discussion, but central to critical theory is asking the question who is saying this, rather than what is being said. So the approach envisaged may not be so far from critical theory.
Critical thinking may or may not be about logic, although logic should of course be employed wherever possible. There are areas of discourse such as theology where logic in the traditional sense at least isn’t the primary means of establishing one’s position. Our oldest universities were founded for the promulgation of theology, or Divinities.
Critical Thinking = Agreeing with whatever is the accepted orthodoxy at any given time as authored by the elite ruling caste at that time.
So nausea inducing globalist progressive Left New New Labour.
Time to throw the telly, radio and internet in the canal for the next 5 years.
That’s like saying there’s no connection between marxism and socialism. The former intentionally collapsed the two so any non-marxian socialism isn’t socialism at all. Labour’s ‘critical thinking’ will perform the same trick. Marcuse et al would be proud.
Dear God, Labour prating on about “lies” and the manipulation of statistics. Truly chilling.
The critical theories extrapolate critical thinking beyond where it is safe and meaningful in order to pursue a political agenda (the issue is never the issue, the issue is the revolution). Critical thinking is good and when applied to the nonsense that comes out of critical theorists it enables one to debunk it quite easily. It is why a lot of the most out spoken anti woke are proper scientist (ie not social or political) or mathematicians. Probably the one most worth listening to on the subject is James Lindsay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0HmwGH4VM
Only about 40 mins but well worth it.
Robbie K
2 months ago
There is a crisis of trust in British media, but it’s still not reached the levels of mistrust in the political parties, ironic then that they would consider themselves the guardians of truth. Especially Labour, who widely believe that a woman can have a p***s – if they can’t get that right then there’s little hope for subjects with a little more complexity.
But it has, no? 12% trust in the parties in the FT poll.
R Wright
2 months ago
“Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party.
On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it… All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children.”
This is why I am against LGBQT issues being ‘taught’ in schools. It is the vehicle through which the state seeks to circumnavigate parental safeguards in order to access and indoctrinate children. Your parents don’t believe you can be the opposite sex? What transphobic bigots. Why don’t you just come over to us and we’ll affirm you. https://www.city-journal.org/article/when-the-state-comes-for-your-kids
So you say there is less genocide going on under Bibi and Biden than Hamas says?
How about the true deaths of Ukrainian soldiers is 400,000 – 500,000 (Alexander Mercouris, Macgregor, S Ritter, Napalatino) and 100,000 amputations to the fake numbers HMG, Zalenski, and MSM numbers of 50,000 –
So what can you say when every report in any ‘Trusted’ positions in the Government and Media is pure Lies?
There’s no genocide going on whatsoever, other than that being attempted against the Jewish population of Israel.
Ian_S
2 months ago
Quite right to be sceptical of Labour’s interest in anything to do with misinformation, as we can legitimately suspect all they mean is to nudge students to align their views with leftist bien-pensant orthodoxy.
On the other hand, genuine critical thinking to expose fake information, through such tools as statistical reverse engineering is completely legitimate. Just this week an article by a statistician in Tablet Magazine did just that to show Hamas’s casualty statistics for Gaza, so beloved by the woke River-to-the-Sea mob, are certainly fake.
In some ways, this photograph is reminiscent of photographs of the leaders of the Third Reich talking with German children.
David Morley
2 months ago
encouraging students “to look at the purpose of messages and what perspective that is coming from”
A good thing if done even handedly and with a genuine desire to improve thinking. Not if we are just teaching kids to use ad hominem arguments against stereotyped bogeymen.
David Morley
2 months ago
Yet a revised survey criticising the opt-in polling which generated those headlines has put the number among under-30s closer to 3%.
So will the new emphasis on critical thinking enable kids to see through the original claim? This looks like a classic case study for kids to get their teeth into.
Or if a teacher decides to use some of our own sacred cows, will that lead to accusations of misogyny, racism, trans phobia or whatever?
For a theory that claims to be critical, Critical Theory is wholly uncritical of itself.
Claire D
2 months ago
‘Conspiracy theory’
Or skeptical conservative thought as it used to be known.
No wonder our Left leaning friends want dissenting discourse banned.
It’s in their DNA, in their constitution
To stifle and to ban
Simon Boudewijn
2 months ago
The entire article above is sheer lies, distortions and 1984, and Lavrenty Beriaesk. They seek to create a New World Order Komsomol, Hit* ler youth, Mao Red Guard, Big Brother Youth Spies, kind of thought control to make the young love their enslavers and work their dirty jobs for them, and obey the directives.
Conspiracy Theory = Truth in fact.
MSM Truth = Lies. (owned by the Mi6, CIA, NSA, DHS, MOD, WHO, WEF)
Because every thing the Government and MSM tell you is Lies! We live in a 100% Fas* ist West. (Fas* ist = gov and private finance, industry, tech, media, social media, education are One.)
What the article is really saying is they are trying to figure out a way to train the children to rationalize all the lies they are told by the Global Elites via Government, education, and media and find them true wile they are lies – Wile ignoring the actual truth by labeling it conspiracy theory.
”’Tempting as it may be to bring the extreme populist horrors of QAnon, Alex Jones and the “Great Reset” into the classroom to frame the seriousness of the issue, efforts to do so risk amplifying the precise disinformation they intend to tackle.”
haha, WWG1WGA, and ever notice how Elon Musk uses the emoji of a pizza to denotate pedo? haha…. Salty Cracker calls all the top people in WHO, WEF, Education, Education, Entertainment, Government, Media, finance ”Kid F** king Lizard People”’ – because they are.
Offical ‘Truth’ = Lies
Conspiracy Theory = Truth
This article = Deep State.
haha… They wish for the teacher to hold up three fingers and ask the class how many it is – and they not know till he tells then the answer – ”it is four fingers children, today” – he says, and they all see the 4”. And this program is to make that happen. (Because to say 3 would be to repeat a conspiracy Theory, today. Tomorrow in may be two, haha – this is the world they create)
Hold on to the end of your bed – We’ve alerted the men in white coats and they will be with you as soon as possible. In the meantime perhaps you could tell me what Mi6 is. Also do you lump the DOD in with the MOD? What is the alternative name for MI1?
Do you enjoy feeling superior to a person who’s somewhat off-kilter?
Consider the ludicrous claims of an unaccountably super-rich college dropout entertaining the most powerful men in the world on a paedophile island paradise. Only a déclassé rube could entertain such nonsense. MKUltra? Conspiracy theories are the refuge of the dispossessed.
Using “haha” in what’s meant to be an adult discussion isn’t the way to convince anyone.
Peter B
2 months ago
FFS. The politicians are the main producers of fake news (alongside the media). And they think they should be trusted to po lice it.
Talk about marking your own homework.
But that’s Labour for you – elevating stupidity at every opportunity.
A D Kent
2 months ago
All this in the very week that Sir Starmer stands at the Despatch Box and bleats about how the Tories have ‘maxed out the UK’s Credit Card’. That the UK economy is analogous to that of a household is one of the most destructive pieces of disinformation we’ve suffered over the last 50 years.
Oh, and the entire notion of ‘Russian-bots’ influencing anything at all is itself a conspiracy theory.
Rob N
2 months ago
Any poll that asks people about their belief in ‘conspiracy theories’ or thinks it knows which beliefs are true or reasonable or are conspiracy theories is clearly too biased to be worth paying any attention to..
Benedict Waterson
2 months ago
The fact is that genuine ‘critical thinking’ involves many interweaving aspects of personality and intelligence which can’t really be taught.
The underlying elite belief in blank slatism – people en masse can simply be taught to think correctly – is slightly sinister, and could itself be criticized by a sufficiently independent-minded critical thinker.
David B
2 months ago
An article like this which queries the term “disinformation” also needs to explicitly clarify what it means by “conspiracy” and “conspiracy theory”, or else it is essentially substituting one semantic manipulation with another.
Adrian Smith
2 months ago
You cannot hope to teach proper critical thinking to children, that is something that has to come later once they have developed normal thinking. What needs to happen is to keep political ideologies out of subjects where it does not belong and where it is relevant to the subject for them to be examined in a carefully balanced way.
If the Great Reset is an “extreme populist horror”, why has Klaus Schwab written two books about it, and our king made the launch speech about it?
“critical thinking”…
“In a narrow sense, “Critical Theory” (often denoted with capital letters) refers to the work of several generations of philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School. Beginning in the 1930s at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, it is best known for interdisciplinary research that combines philosophy and social science with the practical aim of furthering emancipation.”
What this means is “control of the means and methods of thought, through the institutions” which is being spearheaded by DEI, ESG, CRT and Queer Theory.
Well hang on. All that Frankfurt School stuff is “Critical Theory”, a particular school of thought. Let’s not give its proponents branding rights over the much more common sense and general idea of critical thinking, which just means to look closely at any claim made by anyone; akin to circumspection or scepticism.
‘Critical thinking’ is logic for dummies. ‘Critical Theory’ is the Frankfurt School etc. There is no connection whatsoever between them.
You are correct. Unfortunately, there are many academics and students who are unable to tell the difference between the two as you do. They truly believe that believing in Critical Theory makes them critical thinkers. This is part of the reason of so much animosity toward non-degree holders by the education establishment. Because the ‘right’ reject Critical Theory, they are uncritical and therefore not worth consulting about anything.
Critical Theory is to academics what Scientology is to Hollywood actors.
On the upside, Critical Theory (at least initially) encouraged the critique of dominant elite ideology. It wasn’t a way of warning the kids about dangerous outsiders. It encouraged people to look at what those in dominance were saying, and how it might serve their interests. In a sense, the critical theorists were the outsiders.
Now such a look at the ideology of our current elites, and what their interests might be in promoting it, would not be a bad thing. The problem with critical theorists is that they have largely been co opted as border guards for the new dominant ideology. Or are still busy fighting a bourgeois ideology that was current fifty years ago. But then who wouldn’t do that for a cushy job and a second home in tuscany.
Good discussion, but central to critical theory is asking the question who is saying this, rather than what is being said. So the approach envisaged may not be so far from critical theory.
Critical thinking may or may not be about logic, although logic should of course be employed wherever possible. There are areas of discourse such as theology where logic in the traditional sense at least isn’t the primary means of establishing one’s position. Our oldest universities were founded for the promulgation of theology, or Divinities.
Critical Thinking = Agreeing with whatever is the accepted orthodoxy at any given time as authored by the elite ruling caste at that time.
So nausea inducing globalist progressive Left New New Labour.
Time to throw the telly, radio and internet in the canal for the next 5 years.
That’s like saying there’s no connection between marxism and socialism. The former intentionally collapsed the two so any non-marxian socialism isn’t socialism at all. Labour’s ‘critical thinking’ will perform the same trick. Marcuse et al would be proud.
Dear God, Labour prating on about “lies” and the manipulation of statistics. Truly chilling.
I was commenting on the conflation of the two.
The critical theories extrapolate critical thinking beyond where it is safe and meaningful in order to pursue a political agenda (the issue is never the issue, the issue is the revolution). Critical thinking is good and when applied to the nonsense that comes out of critical theorists it enables one to debunk it quite easily. It is why a lot of the most out spoken anti woke are proper scientist (ie not social or political) or mathematicians. Probably the one most worth listening to on the subject is James Lindsay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0HmwGH4VM
Only about 40 mins but well worth it.
There is a crisis of trust in British media, but it’s still not reached the levels of mistrust in the political parties, ironic then that they would consider themselves the guardians of truth. Especially Labour, who widely believe that a woman can have a p***s – if they can’t get that right then there’s little hope for subjects with a little more complexity.
But it has, no? 12% trust in the parties in the FT poll.
“Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party.
On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it… All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children.”
George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty Four
This is why I am against LGBQT issues being ‘taught’ in schools. It is the vehicle through which the state seeks to circumnavigate parental safeguards in order to access and indoctrinate children. Your parents don’t believe you can be the opposite sex? What transphobic bigots. Why don’t you just come over to us and we’ll affirm you.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/when-the-state-comes-for-your-kids
This is good on the state of “PHSE” in UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Mhyc4d7M4
Perhaps schoolchildren could be taught to deconstruct Hamas’s mendacious figures for casualties in Gaza. I’m sure that wouldn’t be in the least contentious. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
So you say there is less genocide going on under Bibi and Biden than Hamas says?
How about the true deaths of Ukrainian soldiers is 400,000 – 500,000 (Alexander Mercouris, Macgregor, S Ritter, Napalatino) and 100,000 amputations to the fake numbers HMG, Zalenski, and MSM numbers of 50,000 –
So what can you say when every report in any ‘Trusted’ positions in the Government and Media is pure Lies?
Certainly seems as if the official casualty figures are a massive understatement.
There’s no genocide going on whatsoever, other than that being attempted against the Jewish population of Israel.
Quite right to be sceptical of Labour’s interest in anything to do with misinformation, as we can legitimately suspect all they mean is to nudge students to align their views with leftist bien-pensant orthodoxy.
On the other hand, genuine critical thinking to expose fake information, through such tools as statistical reverse engineering is completely legitimate. Just this week an article by a statistician in Tablet Magazine did just that to show Hamas’s casualty statistics for Gaza, so beloved by the woke River-to-the-Sea mob, are certainly fake.
Worth reading to see how it was done, and would be a great classroom exercise : https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers
(I really hope this comment doesn’t get held up by UnHerd’s censorbot for three days.)
Thanks for the link– a fascinating read.
In some ways, this photograph is reminiscent of photographs of the leaders of the Third Reich talking with German children.
A good thing if done even handedly and with a genuine desire to improve thinking. Not if we are just teaching kids to use ad hominem arguments against stereotyped bogeymen.
So will the new emphasis on critical thinking enable kids to see through the original claim? This looks like a classic case study for kids to get their teeth into.
Or if a teacher decides to use some of our own sacred cows, will that lead to accusations of misogyny, racism, trans phobia or whatever?
For a theory that claims to be critical, Critical Theory is wholly uncritical of itself.
‘Conspiracy theory’
Or skeptical conservative thought as it used to be known.
No wonder our Left leaning friends want dissenting discourse banned.
It’s in their DNA, in their constitution
To stifle and to ban
The entire article above is sheer lies, distortions and 1984, and Lavrenty Beriaesk. They seek to create a New World Order Komsomol, Hit* ler youth, Mao Red Guard, Big Brother Youth Spies, kind of thought control to make the young love their enslavers and work their dirty jobs for them, and obey the directives.
Conspiracy Theory = Truth in fact.
MSM Truth = Lies. (owned by the Mi6, CIA, NSA, DHS, MOD, WHO, WEF)
Because every thing the Government and MSM tell you is Lies! We live in a 100% Fas* ist West. (Fas* ist = gov and private finance, industry, tech, media, social media, education are One.)
What the article is really saying is they are trying to figure out a way to train the children to rationalize all the lies they are told by the Global Elites via Government, education, and media and find them true wile they are lies – Wile ignoring the actual truth by labeling it conspiracy theory.
”’Tempting as it may be to bring the extreme populist horrors of QAnon, Alex Jones and the “Great Reset” into the classroom to frame the seriousness of the issue, efforts to do so risk amplifying the precise disinformation they intend to tackle.”
haha, WWG1WGA, and ever notice how Elon Musk uses the emoji of a pizza to denotate pedo? haha…. Salty Cracker calls all the top people in WHO, WEF, Education, Education, Entertainment, Government, Media, finance ”Kid F** king Lizard People”’ – because they are.
Offical ‘Truth’ = Lies
Conspiracy Theory = Truth
This article = Deep State.
haha… They wish for the teacher to hold up three fingers and ask the class how many it is – and they not know till he tells then the answer – ”it is four fingers children, today” – he says, and they all see the 4”. And this program is to make that happen. (Because to say 3 would be to repeat a conspiracy Theory, today. Tomorrow in may be two, haha – this is the world they create)
Hold on to the end of your bed – We’ve alerted the men in white coats and they will be with you as soon as possible. In the meantime perhaps you could tell me what Mi6 is. Also do you lump the DOD in with the MOD? What is the alternative name for MI1?
Do you enjoy feeling superior to a person who’s somewhat off-kilter?
Consider the ludicrous claims of an unaccountably super-rich college dropout entertaining the most powerful men in the world on a paedophile island paradise. Only a déclassé rube could entertain such nonsense. MKUltra? Conspiracy theories are the refuge of the dispossessed.
Using “haha” in what’s meant to be an adult discussion isn’t the way to convince anyone.
FFS. The politicians are the main producers of fake news (alongside the media). And they think they should be trusted to po lice it.
Talk about marking your own homework.
But that’s Labour for you – elevating stupidity at every opportunity.
All this in the very week that Sir Starmer stands at the Despatch Box and bleats about how the Tories have ‘maxed out the UK’s Credit Card’. That the UK economy is analogous to that of a household is one of the most destructive pieces of disinformation we’ve suffered over the last 50 years.
Oh, and the entire notion of ‘Russian-bots’ influencing anything at all is itself a conspiracy theory.
Any poll that asks people about their belief in ‘conspiracy theories’ or thinks it knows which beliefs are true or reasonable or are conspiracy theories is clearly too biased to be worth paying any attention to..
The fact is that genuine ‘critical thinking’ involves many interweaving aspects of personality and intelligence which can’t really be taught.
The underlying elite belief in blank slatism – people en masse can simply be taught to think correctly – is slightly sinister, and could itself be criticized by a sufficiently independent-minded critical thinker.
An article like this which queries the term “disinformation” also needs to explicitly clarify what it means by “conspiracy” and “conspiracy theory”, or else it is essentially substituting one semantic manipulation with another.
You cannot hope to teach proper critical thinking to children, that is something that has to come later once they have developed normal thinking. What needs to happen is to keep political ideologies out of subjects where it does not belong and where it is relevant to the subject for them to be examined in a carefully balanced way.