“Labour is now the centre-right party”
You are not much of a marxist.
There is no centre-right. There is no centre-left. There is just the metropolitan liberal blob – As greedy as it is incompetent. You are supposed to notice.
On a recent appearance on the Triggernometry podcast Bastani described Singapore as a place where socialist policies have succeeded. No further comment needed.
In what sense Singapore is Socialist?
My English mate works there.
If you are productive etc you are fine.
The moment you are ill, perceived burden on the state, you are out.
Marxists like Bastani would adopt any country with any policies if it somehow confirm his Marxists idiocies, even if untrue.
Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever! Bastani isn’t a moron, and if he is willing to develop his socialist beliefs to recognise the prosperity and stability of Singapore, that is a very good development, it seems to me.
Much better of course that we have a perpetual caste of “goodies” and “baddies” depending on where you stand, who never change their minds or positions on anything!
There are enough depressing tendencies in politics without people being totally cynical the whole time, and actually not even listening to what anyone they deem an enemy has to say.
Well, it doesn’t so much matter what we call the policies. If left wing figures like Bastani now support the policies of a very much more successful state than ours (not socialist but certainly not libertarian either, as some seem to believe), that is a thoroughly good thing.
Yes, just laughable.
Whatever you say about Conservatives, at least there are some people there who believe in lower taxes, family values, entrepreneurship.
OK, minority now, but still.
Labour is the party of dead hand of the state, useless NHS and wasteful central and local government.
I really dispear.
I arrived at the glory days of Thatcherism.
Now, I am witnessing idiocy of woke, net zero and islamofashi&m.
Bizzare post – Tories have failed big time which ever way you look at it. Imagine labour had been in power for 13 years and the country was in its present state! Just imagine what you’d be thinking.
As for taxes, they only believe in lower taxes for those who get their money from wealth not work.
As for family values it’s harder than ever to start a family simply because if you’re young, without family wealth behind you, getting somewhere secure to live where the jobs are is pretty impossible.
As for entrepreneurship, renting some to set up business is again nigh on impossible. Bizarrely it’s ‘socialist’ countries like Denmark that are the ones that do actually encourage small business.
So, the metropolitan liberal blob are centre-right? I thought centre-right were groups like the ERG and the old Brexit Party? Apologies if I’ve misunderstood.
Bastani tweeted earlier “Middle England is increasingly embracing something which remained somewhat marginal until a few years ago, namely that the entire political class is incapable of solving the country’s biggest problems.”
Starmer is the perfect leader for the emerging post-democracy era. An empty vehicle of insufficient substance to trouble the numerous socialist factions – Blairites, newsrooms, Marxists, conservative religious groups, sickness and welfare benefit groups and public sector employees. All will pull together for election time and expect something for their efforts, although it may be a lot less than they desire.
Because Starmer is the ultimate lawyer for hire who will be welcomed in the globalist big tent to deliver his client’s brief. That will be his number one pre-occupation.
And you can be sure it won’t be on the manifesto. But then we’ve had a few years of that with the Tories.
Andrew Buckley
8 months ago
My disaffection and apathy towards the Political direction in the UK has reach such a level that I struggle to finish a sentence of comment.
N Satori
8 months ago
Polling conducted by YouGov and reported earlier this week found that Keir Starmer’s party is now more trusted than the Tories on issues such as immigration, tax and crime.
Well, I’d certainly like to see what sleight-of-hand methods were used to create that opinion poll! Or perhaps the public really are that naive and fail to notice that belief in open borders, tax-and-spend and criminal-as-victim-of-society are in the socialist DNA. The trouble is they have started to seep into conservative DNA
Election pledges are rarely delivered in full (if at all). It’s all about getting into goverment and giving the people, not what they want, but what you think they should have – and then using PR to persuade them that they really should want it. ULEZ, NetZero, Trans Rights, Gay marriage – all perfect examples. The Brexit referendum, on the other hand held the governing class to a clear promise they were obliged to fulfill – and my goodnes, didn’t they squirm and wriggle.
Next year Starmer and co will be endlessly repeating that mantra about 14-years-of-Tory-misrule (j watson has started already). A change is all they really have to offer.
Yes, Starmer spend many years trying to overturn Brexit, advocating open borders and supported traitor Corbyn, but now he is more trusted on all the issues listed?
Does he know who women is?
The YouGov polls say he’s trusted. That means a carefully selected group of people were asked carefully devised questions in order to obtain a result of propaganda value to those who commissioned the poll in the first place.
AC Harper
8 months ago
I suspect that it is not that Labour is ‘more trusted’ but that the Conservatives are ‘less trusted’.
This may seem like quibble but it may result in more complicated results in a General Election than the percentages in the poll suggest.
Certainly the Conservative government disappoints at the moment… but a clever reminder of Labour’s past ‘achievements’ might easily swing conviction away from the untried Labour party. Or vice versa. But two machine politics parties with vague aspirations might equally turn voters away.
I’m really curious to know if the substantial downvote provokes reflection and review, or doubling down in stubborn righteousness. The casual ad hominem was clearly contrary to a large number of readers, many of whom will be at least as well informed as the critic themselves. Surely the former response would be the decent and intellectually honest one
I didn’t downvote but imagine most are because of of the ad hom.
I agree it’s wishful thinking but that point can be made without gratuitous ill manners.
Andrew R
8 months ago
“Far from a realignment, what we are seeing instead is something far more profound: an intensifying disenchantment with the entire political process”.
I’ll be spoiling my ballot paper again just like I did in 2019.
Caradog Wiliams
8 months ago
The author of this article is popular on GBNews today – a sort of token left-winger who isn’t of the strident variety. So answers are, ‘On the one hand people think this…but on the other hand maybe..’
The article is full of these statements (as it is intended to be) but comes over then as wishy-washy. The main question today is, what will all of these ‘don’t knows’ do in a real election. Almost certainly the turnout will be very low which means that Labour will win – just because there are many voters, new and old, who are bored with the status quo.
Will anything change under Labour? Not with Keir Starmer who is the most wishy-washy politician around. He will do everything to be tradionally Labour – more civil servants to handle immigrants, more sops to union leaders. He will also lower the voting age to 16, which I think will be important and could mean 10 years of Labour.
Nik Jewell
8 months ago
I get so bored with Corbynistas whinging that they lost the election because of the corporatised legacy media. It is insulting, because it denies agency and intelligence to Red Wall voters. I detest the LM just as much as they do, but I am pleased to see signs that it may now be in its death throes.
I admire Bastani, and Novara, for getting up off their proverbial rear ends and doing something about it instead, and they have built a great political platform through small user donations, rather than from ESG money from Blackrock or Vanguard, or donations from Soros.
My politics are not theirs (or any party/ideology for that matter). We differ somewhat on the climate, and 180 degrees on identity politics, but I respect their views and listen to their content sometimes.
Many of their followers, however, are not so gracious in engaging with contrary opinions, and Bastani suffered quite an onslaught for platforming Matt Goodwin, in what was a thoroughly interesting discussion. Again, I admire him for reaching out to his opponents by his appearances on GBNews (I’ve never seen him there, as I only occasionally watch Free Speech Nation, and not the rest of their content).
This article in some ways hits the nail on the head, but only by stating the obvious. I preferred his previous one here, on the Uniparty. The majority of the population is, I believe, black-pilled as he notes. I predict the lowest turnout in the electoral history of this country next time round.
We are not going to be given a vote on the issues that actually matter to people in this country; we are just going to see the handover of Sunak’s journey down the road of technocratic authoritarianism to Starmer, for whom it is an even better fit, and he will complete the job of our totalitiarian future. Depressing.
Returning to the author, great chat with the guys on Triggernometry the other day! You did avoid properly answering the substantive questions from Francis regarding Chavez and Venezuela though!
Indeed, but we are under no threat from Novara Media on this – our descent into totalitarianism is already nearly complete, and will look more like China, except with a good dose of Mussolini (‘stakeholder capitalism’).
You are misreading my admiration here, which is for the achievement of building a successful platform without selling out to corporate donors.
The first video YouTube showed me on my new smartphone was from Novara Media.
Can you imagine meeting the pathetic little character ‘Lenin’ in Kings Cross? Another charmless ranter, but I admire his ambition!
No doubt you also admire the professionalization of the brownshirts prior to the Munich putsch (?)
Personally I think the West’s political future will look more like Russia but with ‘progressive’ rather than patriotic sloganeering. But yes, the surveillance tech will be all Chinese.
I have just replied but it has been held for approval. I used the name an infamous Italian. I guess it will appear at some point!
ben arnulfssen
8 months ago
Kier Starmer is, at least notionally the head of a political party which has the likes of Diane Abbot and David Lammy hooting and gibbering on the front benches, Harriet Harman’s pinched and spiteful countenance lurking in the upper echelons and a portrait of Dorian Blair that it bows down to, in every closed room.
He will either be a hard-line Blairite, or he won’t last 6 months
I’ve argued before that Sir IKEA was a nightwatchman put in to manage Labour until the next true Leader stepped forward. That he has lasted this long is surprising until you consider the calibre of the ‘Leaders in Waiting’.
Funnily enough you could also argue that Sunak has been put in place as the nightwatchman for the Conservatives…
By singling out two Afro-Caribbean heritage MPs you say much more about yourself than about them.
No great fan of Diane, although I can’t imagine how much abuse she’ll have battled through in her time. For that resilience she deserves respect. You and I would have folded ages ago under such abuse.
You of course also fail to mention likes of – Chris Pincher, Owen Patterson, Neil Parish as just a recent selection of disgraced Tory MPs. You fail to mention totally inadequate Ministers like Williamson, Patel, even Braverman now. And what about Dorries? And then of course there’s the lies of Bojo and the ineptitude of Truss.
DA is mainly being judged on merit. As it should be And coming up rather short – certainly over the past 15 years. She may have been better than that earlier and for whatever reason gone into decline.
No one is forced to do front line politics. So I have very limited sympathy for those who get found wanting (Theresa May, DA, this could be a very long list …). They are effectively defrauding us by presenting themselves as having competencies they should know they lack. Perhaps abuse is the price they pay for not being prosecuted.
Respect certainly for getting to where she did in the first place. None for her performance over the last 15 years.
I know – judging on merit. It’s so old school now. Some of us are too old to re-learn now.
Ben Arnulffsen also ‘singled out’ two white Labour politicians, so your ‘race card’ smear (which reveals quite a bit about yourself) doesn’t somehow work. And he was talking about the Labour Party; so your list of Tory monsters is irrelevant to both Bastani’s Unherd article and BA’s comment about it.
Brendan O'Leary
8 months ago
Given the amount of government spending and anti-business policies from this Tory government, it feels more like Conservatives are now the centre left.
Peter B
8 months ago
I can’t get path that first sentence:
“The British public is increasingly willing to place its trust in a centre-right party with no major spending commitments, which is looking to make Brexit work and which aims to reduce the national debt over the next parliament.”
1) No it isn’t. It’s not “trust” here.
2) They are not looking to make Brexit work. Just words.
3) Who believes Labour are actually aiming to reduce the national debt over the next Parliament ? Or have any chance of actually doing so ?
Mr Bastani seems trusting of Labour’s words to the point of naivete.
Then this:
“2010, when Gordon Brown’s Labour received only 28% of the vote — and yet managed to force a hung parliament.”
Hold on a moment – wasn’t 2010-2015 a stable 5 year coalition government ? Far more stable than anything we’ve seen since 2015 if you stop and think about it. Probably not a bad government at all by the admittedly low standards of the last 30 years.
It’s almost as if you shouldn’t trust anything a leftwinger egurgitates …
Walter Marvell
8 months ago
I simply cannot trust these polls. There are no grounds whatsoever for anyone to believe in what Starmer says; ditto the official Labour policies…if any can be detected. Almost every concrete policy commitment has been torched. They have see-sawed on everything. They exercise no power so it is all flatulent evasive Say Nothing hot air. Are these polls just legitimate protest rants against the impotent Tories? Like a perma by election? There are just no grounds for trust in the vapid squeaks from Labour on fighting crime or supporting wealth creation!
Hugh Bryant
8 months ago
Keir Starmer is more trusted than the Tories on immigration, tax and crime
Until about a month after the election.
Starmer is a disciple of Blair, unquestionably the most duplicitous – as well as disastrous – post-war Prime Minister. What on earth makes anyone think he’ll be any different.
Johnson didn’t take the nation to a disastrous war on the strength of a lie – a war the consequences of which will continue to damage Britain into the foreseeable future.
It was Blair, not Johnson, who deliberately facilitated unchecked immigration into the UK of people of colour which he admitted was an unofficial policy of his (i.e. to change ‘monochrome Britain).
Johnson was generally incompetent; but he lacked the hypocrisy and cynicism of Blair’s champagne socialism. Of the two Blair was/is most definitely the worse – and he didn’t have the unprecedented catastrophe of the Covid pandemic to derail his administration within three months of winning his first general election.
Mark Goodhand
8 months ago
Conservatives have been awful on pretty much every measure, but anyone who believes Labour will be better is deluded.
Andy Moore
8 months ago
I watch a bit of the Novara media output on their YouTube channel, some is very interesting. However they’ve moved so far left, that anything to the right of them is either in the centre right or far right.
Gary Taylor
8 months ago
You truly believe Labour have no big spending plans?
John Riordan
8 months ago
I agree that Starmer is uninspiring, but the problem is that this is one area where the Tories are still beating Labour hands down: Sunak is even more uninspiring.
It would seem a Starmer government to be inevitable so the very best we can hope for is they are no worse than the present lot!
Tyler Durden
8 months ago
They have the easy option of imitating the post-Obama Democrats:
-Quiet (EU-oriented) neoliberalism
-Identity politics for a young voting base
-Green corporatism
-Uncritical compliance with the neoconservative norms of the New American Century military-industrial complex
-Pretty uncritical of China/CCP as Net Zero self-flagellation is better than having a poke at a fellow Maoist organisation.
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Martin Smith
8 months ago
Who is not trusted more than the Tories?
Jimmy Snooks
8 months ago
Me Bastani recently interviewed Peter Hitchens. It’s highly recommended entertainment. Bastani sallied forth into the fray like a Jack-the-box brandishing each shiny Marxist idiocy while Hitchens, like a contented, well-fed cat, effortlessly purred down each foible like an indulgent uncle (‘yes, son, even I believed such rubbish, once upon a time’).
Mike Downing
8 months ago
Is this news ( see Blair and New Labour)?
Douglas H
8 months ago
If the Tories implode and are replaced by a new political party, will that likely end well? Did Italy become a better place when Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia replaced the Christian Democrats?
Remember, things can always get worse.
Amelia Melkinthorpe
8 months ago
Absolute, unmitigated balderdash.
j watson
8 months ago
Reflective that the majority are ‘centrist’ – Hurrah at least for that recognition. Hasn’t the true unherd cohort been the more common sense middle whilst either end of spectrum had too much airtime last 10yrs?
On some issues maybe majority lean to centre right, sometimes centre left. But that’s us Brits isn’t it, rightly or wrongly?
14 years of austerity, Brexit shambles, still concerns about cronyism tendencies, failure to make Levelling Up anything meaningful beyond a slogan, concern the sacrifices endured for Covid were unevenly shared, etc – hardly a surprise folks are worn out and fed up with many politicians. But the reaction hasn’t been to double-down on the Populist extremists has it. Much to be proud of how the British common sense remains a core.
Centre left financially, centre right culturally would be the sweet spot in Britain, a “Fund the NHS, Hang the Paedos” manifesto would be a winner. Alas neither major party seems to recognise this, in fact both seem to pledge the exact opposite of being economically Thatcherite and socially Twitter personified
Most people don’t pay much attention to politics beyond the cost-of-living soundbites until it’s too late, unfortunately. Starmer knows he can do what he likes so long as house prices keep going up. Immigration and money printing will do that particular trick. Meanwhile the provincial young and the non-graduates will be worse off than ever. And the metropolitan class that controls the media, the public sector and both political parties will be richer and more powerful than ever.
But never mind, you’ll be alright Jack.
Not sure why you are getting so many downvotes. We are living in an omnishambles but as yet there is no appetite for a real rabble rouser ‘saviour’ from either side. You are right, that is a positive.
It may be a function of a sensible electorate, could be that things haven’t got bad enough for enough people yet, or just that no such figure or programme has emerged.
Or it could be that one side has won. Gender ideology is being taught in schools, NHS radiologists are trained to ask men whether they might be pregnant, British footballers did take the knee before every game and wear rainbow insignia. Nobody in the MSM truly queries the climate consensus, or lockdowns, or clown terms like patriarchy.
At the level where power is wielded, the culture war is lost. The centre has been levered a long way left. An extremist progressive isn’t needed and the forces ranged against an upstart right winger are so formidable he or she wouldn’t be able to get started.
“… the forces ranged against [a] right winger are so formidable he or she wouldn’t be able to get started.”
Worryingly, I think you are correct in this assertion.
“Labour is now the centre-right party”
You are not much of a marxist.
There is no centre-right. There is no centre-left. There is just the metropolitan liberal blob – As greedy as it is incompetent. You are supposed to notice.
On a recent appearance on the Triggernometry podcast Bastani described Singapore as a place where socialist policies have succeeded. No further comment needed.
In what sense Singapore is Socialist?
My English mate works there.
If you are productive etc you are fine.
The moment you are ill, perceived burden on the state, you are out.
Marxists like Bastani would adopt any country with any policies if it somehow confirm his Marxists idiocies, even if untrue.
“No work, no bread” – the social security policy under Joseph Stalin.
Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever! Bastani isn’t a moron, and if he is willing to develop his socialist beliefs to recognise the prosperity and stability of Singapore, that is a very good development, it seems to me.
Much better of course that we have a perpetual caste of “goodies” and “baddies” depending on where you stand, who never change their minds or positions on anything!
There are enough depressing tendencies in politics without people being totally cynical the whole time, and actually not even listening to what anyone they deem an enemy has to say.
Well, it doesn’t so much matter what we call the policies. If left wing figures like Bastani now support the policies of a very much more successful state than ours (not socialist but certainly not libertarian either, as some seem to believe), that is a thoroughly good thing.
Yes, just laughable.
Whatever you say about Conservatives, at least there are some people there who believe in lower taxes, family values, entrepreneurship.
OK, minority now, but still.
Labour is the party of dead hand of the state, useless NHS and wasteful central and local government.
I really dispear.
I arrived at the glory days of Thatcherism.
Now, I am witnessing idiocy of woke, net zero and islamofashi&m.
Bizzare post – Tories have failed big time which ever way you look at it. Imagine labour had been in power for 13 years and the country was in its present state! Just imagine what you’d be thinking.
As for taxes, they only believe in lower taxes for those who get their money from wealth not work.
As for family values it’s harder than ever to start a family simply because if you’re young, without family wealth behind you, getting somewhere secure to live where the jobs are is pretty impossible.
As for entrepreneurship, renting some to set up business is again nigh on impossible. Bizarrely it’s ‘socialist’ countries like Denmark that are the ones that do actually encourage small business.
So, the metropolitan liberal blob are centre-right? I thought centre-right were groups like the ERG and the old Brexit Party? Apologies if I’ve misunderstood.
Bastani tweeted earlier “Middle England is increasingly embracing something which remained somewhat marginal until a few years ago, namely that the entire political class is incapable of solving the country’s biggest problems.”
Starmer is the perfect leader for the emerging post-democracy era. An empty vehicle of insufficient substance to trouble the numerous socialist factions – Blairites, newsrooms, Marxists, conservative religious groups, sickness and welfare benefit groups and public sector employees. All will pull together for election time and expect something for their efforts, although it may be a lot less than they desire.
Because Starmer is the ultimate lawyer for hire who will be welcomed in the globalist big tent to deliver his client’s brief. That will be his number one pre-occupation.
And you can be sure it won’t be on the manifesto. But then we’ve had a few years of that with the Tories.
My disaffection and apathy towards the Political direction in the UK has reach such a level that I struggle to finish a sentence of comment.
Well, I’d certainly like to see what sleight-of-hand methods were used to create that opinion poll! Or perhaps the public really are that naive and fail to notice that belief in open borders, tax-and-spend and criminal-as-victim-of-society are in the socialist DNA. The trouble is they have started to seep into conservative DNA
Election pledges are rarely delivered in full (if at all). It’s all about getting into goverment and giving the people, not what they want, but what you think they should have – and then using PR to persuade them that they really should want it. ULEZ, NetZero, Trans Rights, Gay marriage – all perfect examples. The Brexit referendum, on the other hand held the governing class to a clear promise they were obliged to fulfill – and my goodnes, didn’t they squirm and wriggle.
Next year Starmer and co will be endlessly repeating that mantra about 14-years-of-Tory-misrule (j watson has started already). A change is all they really have to offer.
Yes, Starmer spend many years trying to overturn Brexit, advocating open borders and supported traitor Corbyn, but now he is more trusted on all the issues listed?
Does he know who women is?
The YouGov polls say he’s trusted. That means a carefully selected group of people were asked carefully devised questions in order to obtain a result of propaganda value to those who commissioned the poll in the first place.
I suspect that it is not that Labour is ‘more trusted’ but that the Conservatives are ‘less trusted’.
This may seem like quibble but it may result in more complicated results in a General Election than the percentages in the poll suggest.
Certainly the Conservative government disappoints at the moment… but a clever reminder of Labour’s past ‘achievements’ might easily swing conviction away from the untried Labour party. Or vice versa. But two machine politics parties with vague aspirations might equally turn voters away.
Wishful thinking, if you can call it thinking
I’m really curious to know if the substantial downvote provokes reflection and review, or doubling down in stubborn righteousness. The casual ad hominem was clearly contrary to a large number of readers, many of whom will be at least as well informed as the critic themselves. Surely the former response would be the decent and intellectually honest one
I didn’t downvote but imagine most are because of of the ad hom.
I agree it’s wishful thinking but that point can be made without gratuitous ill manners.
“Far from a realignment, what we are seeing instead is something far more profound: an intensifying disenchantment with the entire political process”.
I’ll be spoiling my ballot paper again just like I did in 2019.
The author of this article is popular on GBNews today – a sort of token left-winger who isn’t of the strident variety. So answers are, ‘On the one hand people think this…but on the other hand maybe..’
The article is full of these statements (as it is intended to be) but comes over then as wishy-washy. The main question today is, what will all of these ‘don’t knows’ do in a real election. Almost certainly the turnout will be very low which means that Labour will win – just because there are many voters, new and old, who are bored with the status quo.
Will anything change under Labour? Not with Keir Starmer who is the most wishy-washy politician around. He will do everything to be tradionally Labour – more civil servants to handle immigrants, more sops to union leaders. He will also lower the voting age to 16, which I think will be important and could mean 10 years of Labour.
I get so bored with Corbynistas whinging that they lost the election because of the corporatised legacy media. It is insulting, because it denies agency and intelligence to Red Wall voters. I detest the LM just as much as they do, but I am pleased to see signs that it may now be in its death throes.
I admire Bastani, and Novara, for getting up off their proverbial rear ends and doing something about it instead, and they have built a great political platform through small user donations, rather than from ESG money from Blackrock or Vanguard, or donations from Soros.
My politics are not theirs (or any party/ideology for that matter). We differ somewhat on the climate, and 180 degrees on identity politics, but I respect their views and listen to their content sometimes.
Many of their followers, however, are not so gracious in engaging with contrary opinions, and Bastani suffered quite an onslaught for platforming Matt Goodwin, in what was a thoroughly interesting discussion. Again, I admire him for reaching out to his opponents by his appearances on GBNews (I’ve never seen him there, as I only occasionally watch Free Speech Nation, and not the rest of their content).
This article in some ways hits the nail on the head, but only by stating the obvious. I preferred his previous one here, on the Uniparty. The majority of the population is, I believe, black-pilled as he notes. I predict the lowest turnout in the electoral history of this country next time round.
We are not going to be given a vote on the issues that actually matter to people in this country; we are just going to see the handover of Sunak’s journey down the road of technocratic authoritarianism to Starmer, for whom it is an even better fit, and he will complete the job of our totalitiarian future. Depressing.
Returning to the author, great chat with the guys on Triggernometry the other day! You did avoid properly answering the substantive questions from Francis regarding Chavez and Venezuela though!
The people you “admire” would sign a death warrant for you and your family.
Why do you say that?
You are unfamiliar with the manner in which marxists take power and rule?
Indeed, but we are under no threat from Novara Media on this – our descent into totalitarianism is already nearly complete, and will look more like China, except with a good dose of Mussolini (‘stakeholder capitalism’).
You are misreading my admiration here, which is for the achievement of building a successful platform without selling out to corporate donors.
The first video YouTube showed me on my new smartphone was from Novara Media.
Can you imagine meeting the pathetic little character ‘Lenin’ in Kings Cross? Another charmless ranter, but I admire his ambition!
No doubt you also admire the professionalization of the brownshirts prior to the Munich putsch (?)
Personally I think the West’s political future will look more like Russia but with ‘progressive’ rather than patriotic sloganeering. But yes, the surveillance tech will be all Chinese.
I have just replied but it has been held for approval. I used the name an infamous Italian. I guess it will appear at some point!
Kier Starmer is, at least notionally the head of a political party which has the likes of Diane Abbot and David Lammy hooting and gibbering on the front benches, Harriet Harman’s pinched and spiteful countenance lurking in the upper echelons and a portrait of Dorian Blair that it bows down to, in every closed room.
He will either be a hard-line Blairite, or he won’t last 6 months
I’ve argued before that Sir IKEA was a nightwatchman put in to manage Labour until the next true Leader stepped forward. That he has lasted this long is surprising until you consider the calibre of the ‘Leaders in Waiting’.
Funnily enough you could also argue that Sunak has been put in place as the nightwatchman for the Conservatives…
By singling out two Afro-Caribbean heritage MPs you say much more about yourself than about them.
No great fan of Diane, although I can’t imagine how much abuse she’ll have battled through in her time. For that resilience she deserves respect. You and I would have folded ages ago under such abuse.
You of course also fail to mention likes of – Chris Pincher, Owen Patterson, Neil Parish as just a recent selection of disgraced Tory MPs. You fail to mention totally inadequate Ministers like Williamson, Patel, even Braverman now. And what about Dorries? And then of course there’s the lies of Bojo and the ineptitude of Truss.
DA is mainly being judged on merit. As it should be And coming up rather short – certainly over the past 15 years. She may have been better than that earlier and for whatever reason gone into decline.
No one is forced to do front line politics. So I have very limited sympathy for those who get found wanting (Theresa May, DA, this could be a very long list …). They are effectively defrauding us by presenting themselves as having competencies they should know they lack. Perhaps abuse is the price they pay for not being prosecuted.
Respect certainly for getting to where she did in the first place. None for her performance over the last 15 years.
I know – judging on merit. It’s so old school now. Some of us are too old to re-learn now.
Ben Arnulffsen also ‘singled out’ two white Labour politicians, so your ‘race card’ smear (which reveals quite a bit about yourself) doesn’t somehow work. And he was talking about the Labour Party; so your list of Tory monsters is irrelevant to both Bastani’s Unherd article and BA’s comment about it.
Given the amount of government spending and anti-business policies from this Tory government, it feels more like Conservatives are now the centre left.
I can’t get path that first sentence:
“The British public is increasingly willing to place its trust in a centre-right party with no major spending commitments, which is looking to make Brexit work and which aims to reduce the national debt over the next parliament.”
1) No it isn’t. It’s not “trust” here.
2) They are not looking to make Brexit work. Just words.
3) Who believes Labour are actually aiming to reduce the national debt over the next Parliament ? Or have any chance of actually doing so ?
Mr Bastani seems trusting of Labour’s words to the point of naivete.
Then this:
“2010, when Gordon Brown’s Labour received only 28% of the vote — and yet managed to force a hung parliament.”
Hold on a moment – wasn’t 2010-2015 a stable 5 year coalition government ? Far more stable than anything we’ve seen since 2015 if you stop and think about it. Probably not a bad government at all by the admittedly low standards of the last 30 years.
It’s almost as if you shouldn’t trust anything a leftwinger egurgitates …
I simply cannot trust these polls. There are no grounds whatsoever for anyone to believe in what Starmer says; ditto the official Labour policies…if any can be detected. Almost every concrete policy commitment has been torched. They have see-sawed on everything. They exercise no power so it is all flatulent evasive Say Nothing hot air. Are these polls just legitimate protest rants against the impotent Tories? Like a perma by election? There are just no grounds for trust in the vapid squeaks from Labour on fighting crime or supporting wealth creation!
Until about a month after the election.
Starmer is a disciple of Blair, unquestionably the most duplicitous – as well as disastrous – post-war Prime Minister. What on earth makes anyone think he’ll be any different.
Get real: Johnson was worse on both counts than Blair.
Johnson didn’t take the nation to a disastrous war on the strength of a lie – a war the consequences of which will continue to damage Britain into the foreseeable future.
It was Blair, not Johnson, who deliberately facilitated unchecked immigration into the UK of people of colour which he admitted was an unofficial policy of his (i.e. to change ‘monochrome Britain).
Johnson was generally incompetent; but he lacked the hypocrisy and cynicism of Blair’s champagne socialism. Of the two Blair was/is most definitely the worse – and he didn’t have the unprecedented catastrophe of the Covid pandemic to derail his administration within three months of winning his first general election.
Conservatives have been awful on pretty much every measure, but anyone who believes Labour will be better is deluded.
I watch a bit of the Novara media output on their YouTube channel, some is very interesting. However they’ve moved so far left, that anything to the right of them is either in the centre right or far right.
You truly believe Labour have no big spending plans?
I agree that Starmer is uninspiring, but the problem is that this is one area where the Tories are still beating Labour hands down: Sunak is even more uninspiring.
It would seem a Starmer government to be inevitable so the very best we can hope for is they are no worse than the present lot!
They have the easy option of imitating the post-Obama Democrats:
-Quiet (EU-oriented) neoliberalism
-Identity politics for a young voting base
-Green corporatism
-Uncritical compliance with the neoconservative norms of the New American Century military-industrial complex
-Pretty uncritical of China/CCP as Net Zero self-flagellation is better than having a poke at a fellow Maoist organisation.
Who is not trusted more than the Tories?
Me Bastani recently interviewed Peter Hitchens. It’s highly recommended entertainment. Bastani sallied forth into the fray like a Jack-the-box brandishing each shiny Marxist idiocy while Hitchens, like a contented, well-fed cat, effortlessly purred down each foible like an indulgent uncle (‘yes, son, even I believed such rubbish, once upon a time’).
Is this news ( see Blair and New Labour)?
If the Tories implode and are replaced by a new political party, will that likely end well? Did Italy become a better place when Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia replaced the Christian Democrats?
Remember, things can always get worse.
Absolute, unmitigated balderdash.
Reflective that the majority are ‘centrist’ – Hurrah at least for that recognition. Hasn’t the true unherd cohort been the more common sense middle whilst either end of spectrum had too much airtime last 10yrs?
On some issues maybe majority lean to centre right, sometimes centre left. But that’s us Brits isn’t it, rightly or wrongly?
14 years of austerity, Brexit shambles, still concerns about cronyism tendencies, failure to make Levelling Up anything meaningful beyond a slogan, concern the sacrifices endured for Covid were unevenly shared, etc – hardly a surprise folks are worn out and fed up with many politicians. But the reaction hasn’t been to double-down on the Populist extremists has it. Much to be proud of how the British common sense remains a core.
To be followed by a few years of blairite shambles, under the fake worker’s party. Your country has fallen apart. Face reality.
Centre left financially, centre right culturally would be the sweet spot in Britain, a “Fund the NHS, Hang the Paedos” manifesto would be a winner. Alas neither major party seems to recognise this, in fact both seem to pledge the exact opposite of being economically Thatcherite and socially Twitter personified
Most people don’t pay much attention to politics beyond the cost-of-living soundbites until it’s too late, unfortunately. Starmer knows he can do what he likes so long as house prices keep going up. Immigration and money printing will do that particular trick. Meanwhile the provincial young and the non-graduates will be worse off than ever. And the metropolitan class that controls the media, the public sector and both political parties will be richer and more powerful than ever.
But never mind, you’ll be alright Jack.
Not sure why you are getting so many downvotes. We are living in an omnishambles but as yet there is no appetite for a real rabble rouser ‘saviour’ from either side. You are right, that is a positive.
It may be a function of a sensible electorate, could be that things haven’t got bad enough for enough people yet, or just that no such figure or programme has emerged.
Or it could be that one side has won. Gender ideology is being taught in schools, NHS radiologists are trained to ask men whether they might be pregnant, British footballers did take the knee before every game and wear rainbow insignia. Nobody in the MSM truly queries the climate consensus, or lockdowns, or clown terms like patriarchy.
At the level where power is wielded, the culture war is lost. The centre has been levered a long way left. An extremist progressive isn’t needed and the forces ranged against an upstart right winger are so formidable he or she wouldn’t be able to get started.
“… the forces ranged against [a] right winger are so formidable he or she wouldn’t be able to get started.”
Worryingly, I think you are correct in this assertion.