Great news! Now Labour are onboard for tougher sentencing, Dominic Raab should introduce new legislation to make murder carry a mandatory full life sentence without the possibility of parole. I’m sure Sir Kier will instruct his MPs to vote for it.
It would finally honour the explicit promise made, in the 1965 Murder Act that abolished capital punishment, that the death penalty would be replaced with life imprisonment.
The enormous cost is of course part of the problem. On the whole long sentences don’t seem to be the deterrent most of us think they should be so a combination of left-leaning prison reformers trying to reduce sentences for prisoners and right-leaning treasury ministers trying to reign in expenditure results in murderers coming out quite quickly and frequently reoffending.
The solution of shipping murderers off to cheap third-world prisons while good for the treasury would be resisted by all the left-wing interests as being too harsh for the prisoners so I can’t see Starmer introducing this reform.
The fact that many killings involve men whose normal inhibitions against killing is affected by drug or alcohol abuse is likely to be affected by the ease of obtain alcohol and drugs. Again I don’t see Starmer wanting to tighten up on the availability of either.
Yes, isn’t that splendid news ………………..at last!
However I dare say every type of sabotage will be used to derail it.
Let’s hope Boris and chums can stick to their guns for once.
‘Transport’ the whole lot to Africa. There must be dozens of African countries only too willing to provide prison facilities.
Perhaps we should start with South Africa?
Prashant Kotak
2 years ago
This is delusional – it would be like asking a bear to acquire a bidet and a bathroom with chintz curtains.
Samuel Gee
2 years ago
This is the sort of nonsense that happens when you let the Blue Sky Thinking get out of hand. A bit like the transgender stuff some folks believe that if you say it often with a straight face it makes it true.
Starmer and the Labour C-Suite can try and position this way on the basis that Starmer was a prosecutor. You can see how their minds are working. What they seem to have forgotten is that the Labour Party shop floor (membership) is packed chock-a-block with people who don’t really subscribe to the “law and order” vibe. So if Starmer hopes to become a sort of RoboCop fan that will just increase tension in the Party. Kamela Harris suffered from exactly this with the “Kamala is a cop” meme from inside the Democratic Party.
Bottom line is that Starmer can’t go too far this way without leaving a big chunk of his activists behind and fuming. And then he has to hope that none of them go in for any police bashing just to spite him. That’s a stretch because the police really are leading with their chins at the moment.
Last edited 2 years ago by Samuel Gee
Matthew Powell
2 years ago
We’ve all seen what happened in America. Left wing party runs on a centrist agenda, gets into power and is beholden to its most extremist elements. Exactly the same would happen here.
Yes like the defund the police slogans from America only for the left wing Governors see crime and murder rates accelerate
j morgan
2 years ago
Not when they’ll be insisting trans identified males belong in women’s prisons
Peter B
2 years ago
First we should be told the percentage of successful major prosecutions brought by the CPS during Keir Starmer’s leadership. There is a track record here to be checked. I’m not sure it’s that impressive.
The Tories may be almost useless, but I’d put good money on Starmer’s Labour still managing to do worse. Mainly because in their guts they’re always on the side of the “victim”. Or “defendent” as we would put it.
james curtis
2 years ago
‘I can fix it for you’ Starmer was no great success as Head of prosecutions, his Union Bosses have never been keen of observing the law either. If he cannot decide if a woman can have a willy, how will he decide anything at a in the real world.
David McDowell
2 years ago
How can a party led by the man who let Jimmy Savile off the hook reinvent itself as the party of law and order? Good question.
Did you know that some UK prisons are run by French companies, we must be the only country in the world to allow a foreign government to control our convicts, and at what cost.
Do Labour know what a “woman’s” prison is ?
Is this satirical? Starmer the prosecutor who chose not to prosecute paedophiles?
Sounds more like desperation to me. “Please, somebody, anybody, do something about this!”
“Could Labour become the new law and order party?”
No
Rotherham and Rochdale.
Great news! Now Labour are onboard for tougher sentencing, Dominic Raab should introduce new legislation to make murder carry a mandatory full life sentence without the possibility of parole. I’m sure Sir Kier will instruct his MPs to vote for it.
It would finally honour the explicit promise made, in the 1965 Murder Act that abolished capital punishment, that the death penalty would be replaced with life imprisonment.
Funny how that ended up isn’t it…
At £90K per annum ‘Life Imprisonment’ is just too expensive. Only the USA can afford such luxury.
The enormous cost is of course part of the problem. On the whole long sentences don’t seem to be the deterrent most of us think they should be so a combination of left-leaning prison reformers trying to reduce sentences for prisoners and right-leaning treasury ministers trying to reign in expenditure results in murderers coming out quite quickly and frequently reoffending.
The solution of shipping murderers off to cheap third-world prisons while good for the treasury would be resisted by all the left-wing interests as being too harsh for the prisoners so I can’t see Starmer introducing this reform.
The fact that many killings involve men whose normal inhibitions against killing is affected by drug or alcohol abuse is likely to be affected by the ease of obtain alcohol and drugs. Again I don’t see Starmer wanting to tighten up on the availability of either.
Thank you, all rather grim!
Perhaps lifers could be subbed out to Rwanda as well; I imagine that would be a vote winner.
Yes, isn’t that splendid news ………………..at last!
However I dare say every type of sabotage will be used to derail it.
Let’s hope Boris and chums can stick to their guns for once.
Then we need lower cost prisons. How is it possible to spend this much ? Hotel accomodation might come in cheaper. Get EasyJet on the case.
‘Transport’ the whole lot to Africa. There must be dozens of African countries only too willing to provide prison facilities.
Perhaps we should start with South Africa?
This is delusional – it would be like asking a bear to acquire a bidet and a bathroom with chintz curtains.
This is the sort of nonsense that happens when you let the Blue Sky Thinking get out of hand. A bit like the transgender stuff some folks believe that if you say it often with a straight face it makes it true.
Starmer and the Labour C-Suite can try and position this way on the basis that Starmer was a prosecutor. You can see how their minds are working. What they seem to have forgotten is that the Labour Party shop floor (membership) is packed chock-a-block with people who don’t really subscribe to the “law and order” vibe. So if Starmer hopes to become a sort of RoboCop fan that will just increase tension in the Party. Kamela Harris suffered from exactly this with the “Kamala is a cop” meme from inside the Democratic Party.
Bottom line is that Starmer can’t go too far this way without leaving a big chunk of his activists behind and fuming. And then he has to hope that none of them go in for any police bashing just to spite him. That’s a stretch because the police really are leading with their chins at the moment.
We’ve all seen what happened in America. Left wing party runs on a centrist agenda, gets into power and is beholden to its most extremist elements. Exactly the same would happen here.
Yes like the defund the police slogans from America only for the left wing Governors see crime and murder rates accelerate
Not when they’ll be insisting trans identified males belong in women’s prisons
First we should be told the percentage of successful major prosecutions brought by the CPS during Keir Starmer’s leadership. There is a track record here to be checked. I’m not sure it’s that impressive.
The Tories may be almost useless, but I’d put good money on Starmer’s Labour still managing to do worse. Mainly because in their guts they’re always on the side of the “victim”. Or “defendent” as we would put it.
‘I can fix it for you’ Starmer was no great success as Head of prosecutions, his Union Bosses have never been keen of observing the law either. If he cannot decide if a woman can have a willy, how will he decide anything at a in the real world.
How can a party led by the man who let Jimmy Savile off the hook reinvent itself as the party of law and order? Good question.
The offical figures for murder rates can be found here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/appendixtableshomicideinenglandandwales
Labour must be truly desperate.
Did you know that some UK prisons are run by French companies, we must be the only country in the world to allow a foreign government to control our convicts, and at what cost.