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Donald Trump: new media king The Democrats have been too slow to learn his ways

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October 12, 2024   6 mins

It’s a tender, almost touching moment — not at all something you’d expect to see at the height of a presidential campaign and far out-of-keeping with the general perception of Donald Trump’s character. At the start of an interview, a 23-year-old social media star, Adin Ross, showed Trump his livestream on Kick with comments pouring in through the chat. “Do you know what live streaming is on these platforms?” Ross said.

“More or less, more or less,” said Trump, a little timidly.

It could have been any eager kid explaining a new technology to someone almost four times his age, but what Trump said next encapsulated so much of what he has brought to American politics. “It’s the new wave,” he said, to which Ross enthusiastically agreed.

Trump’s podcast blitz over the last few months — on Kick with Ross, on X with Elon Musk, on YouTube with Lex Fridman and Theo Von, and most recently on Ben Shapiro’s podcast — showcased his ability to adapt to new media forms. This started in the Nineties, when he rose to political prominence as a regular guest on talk radio. He then became a nationwide celebrity through his starring role on reality TV’s The Apprentice. He ran for president in 2016 largely through his Twitter account and, when that was disabled in 2021, switched to his own social media platform, Truth Social. His 2024 campaign strategy hinges on his ability to reach low-information voters who wouldn’t normally pay attention to politics. (Von is a comedian and Ross an online gamer.) From the standpoint of communications, his approach has been astonishingly successful and may well return him to the White House. Really, the entire Trump phenomenon is just media studies — but why, with Kamala Harris only just appearing podcasts now, have his political opponents been so slow to learn its lessons?

Every time I try to understand our era, I find myself — like the kind of person who pulls out their pocket Bible on any occasion to check the relevant verse — reaching for Martin Gurri’s 2014 text, The Revolt of the Public. Gurri, a former CIA analyst turned media theorist, outlined the dominant dynamic of our time: it is “an episode in the primordial contest between Centre and Border” but with a new array of weapons made available to the Border. “Each side in the struggle has a standard-bearer: authority for the old industrial scheme that dominated globally for a century and a half, the public for the uncertain dispensation striving to become manifest,” he wrote.

In the past, the Border had to make do with penny presses, alternative weeklies, late-night radio stations or, simply, the power of “word-of-mouth”. But, with the public-to-public traffic of social media, the Border developed an ability to communicate with itself at a staggering volume and to change the underlying dynamics of political discourse. For Gurri, 2012 was the watershed year, in which the two-way traffic of social media became a social force of its own, eclipsing the standard establishment media organs and creating an entirely different communicative discourse that was ripe for political exploitation. Gurri self-published The Revolt of the Public and the book passed largely unnoticed, but after Trump’s 2016 victory Gurri’s now-dug-up thesis was the only explanation that really fit.

Trump had said as much in a 2013 meeting with Republican supporters — a meeting reported on years later by Politico — in which he laid out his playbook for his longshot presidential campaign. “I’m going to suck all the oxygen out of the room. I know how to work the media in a way that they will never take the lights off of me,” Trump said. When told by an attendee that the only possible way to run was through lavish spending on paid advertisements, Trump said, “I think you’re wrong” — he would reach a “mass audience” entirely through the new possibilities afforded by earned media.

Initially denied the obvious entry points to airtime in his presidential run — he lacked endorsements and funding, and was far behind rivals like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker in access to conservative media — Trump made adroit use of the new technology. Twitter seemed juvenile for a presidential candidate — nobody else was really using it — but it allowed Trump both to make himself relatable and to take his case directly to voters. He became the protagonist of the election, and, when the establishment did what it could to sideline him, he turned the establishment into the foil of his story, attacking Megyn Kelly for her coverage of him.

Trump’s use of Twitter (and Truth Social) is, of course, well known. What’s vastly underappreciated, though, is the extent to which he’s consistently been ahead of his political rivals when it comes to social media and been able to use that playbook for other forms of new media. As a centrepiece of his 2024 campaign, Trump has, as The New York Times somewhat disparagingly put it, “embarked on a cavalcade of interviews”, appearing on podcasts, live streams, and basically any form of new media he can access.

That really shouldn’t be such a big deal. 360 million people use Twitter. 540 million people listen to podcasts. The only ones who don’t, it seems, are the grandees of the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden never made effective use of social media — up until Biden’s announcement of not seeking a second term — and, even Kamala Harris, who is closer in age to digital nativity, has been a less-than-enthusiastic adopter. Meanwhile, Trump’s streamed conversations over the last month brought somewhere on the order of 100 million views.

“360 million people use Twitter. 540 million people listen to podcasts. The only ones who don’t, it seems, are the grandees of the Democratic Party.”

In that same time period, when Trump was embarked on his “calvacade”, Harris made one — count it — large-audience media appearance, in front of the friendly audience of CNN. She appeared in person at a large number of rallies and was also interviewed by comedian Rickey Smiley, an ABC affiliate, and a Phoenix Univision station — none of those with anything like the reach of the podcasters Trump appeared with. The YouTube stream of the Rickey Smiley interview, for instance, has attracted a pitiful 7,000 views. Her paid ads have been saturating the airwaves, she can rely on near-universal support from establishment print media and favourable coverage from network TV, with the exception of Fox. She has an army of surrogates pushing out the campaign’s messages across a variety of media sources. And her debate performance, unlike Trump’s, only proves her confidence with established media forms.

The problem is that none of this messaging takes advantage of the unique resources of new media. New media — whether podcasts or social media — is all about casual, easygoing, personality-driven conversation. In Gurri’s terms, what is happening is that the entire society is going through an emperor-has-no-clothes realisation. The immediacy of digital resources makes social media users — who are also voters — highly sceptical of anybody who over-ceremoniously cloaks themselves in the mantle of authority. In the Twitter era, everyone — the world’s richest man, world leaders, sports stars, celebrities, whatever — is reduced in the end to a common denominator: they are individuals sitting behind a device and tapping into it, just like anybody else. From the perspective of “authority”, that’s something close to an existential threat — a difficulty in reestablishing the lineaments of majesty. But, from the perspective of a democratic politician who relies on popularity and relatability for legitimacy, it should be a golden opportunity. And, for every day that Harris doesn’t appear on general-interest podcasts, she is, essentially, leaving votes on the table. The Harris campaign seems finally, belatedly, to be recognising what should have been obvious a month ago, with Harris appearing on Alex Cooper’s Call Her Daddy podcast and with the campaign announcing a media blitz which included an appearance on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. But it may be already be too late. For every day that Harris hasn’t made a new media appearance, she has missed a chance to set the narrative for the campaign.

There is nothing whatsoever that Trump does that digital media users can’t do as well. Anybody under 40 or so can do it in their sleep. But the Democratic Party still hasn’t managed a generational handoff from the Clinton era. They both don’t recognise the power of the new modes of communication and don’t know how to exploit it. Those who do — like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — have a vast leg-up compared with the rest of the party. And, really, that is the entire explanation of the AOC phenomenon. She tweets like a pro, she’s relatable, and she makes herself the protagonist of her story. It’s not a hard playbook to emulate, but you need to be digital media-conversant to emulate it.

Instead, though, the Dems have moved in the other direction. They have come to rely on their stranglehold over traditional media. They have newspapers, network TV, public radio. They have a war chest that gives them an advantage in all traditional ad markets. And none of that is to be underestimated — that arsenal of communicative technology has enabled them to make inroads particularly with seniors, a traditionally Republican bloc.

What the Democrats, like some red-coated, overly regimented colonial army, fail to recognise, however, is that this is asymmetrical warfare. None of their preferred modes of communication make inroads into the younger or low-information voters who are, at this stage, most likely to swing the election. The Republicans already have talk radio and Fox-world. Through Trump’s media dexterity, they have done very well in social media and, now, on podcasts.

When we assess the results of this election, what we likely will assess isn’t issues or even messaging but modalities of communication. The parties have swerved into very different communications bubbles. This has been the case at least since the era of media revolutionary Rush Limbaugh and talk radio’s shift towards conservatism, while print media and network television tended to skew more liberal. But now, with media ever-more-siloed, those distinctions are only exacerbated across a variety of forms. What the Democrats are still failing to get through their heads is that it’s the newer, more dynamic communications technologies where the more effective persuasion can take place — and which require an aggressive, personable, let-it-all-hang-out approach. Harris should be more than able to hold her own in those formats. But if she doesn’t visit them, she’ll effectively be passing over undecided votes — and those votes will cost her the election.


Sam Kahn writes the Substack Castalia.


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J Bryant
J Bryant
4 days ago

What the Democrats are still failing to get through their heads is that it’s the newer, more dynamic communications technologies where the more effective persuasion can take place … Harris should be more than able to hold her own in those formats.
That’s the part of the author’s argument I disagree with. I’m sure Harris’s media team understand the power of the New Media, but they’re stuck with a candidate who cannot, under any circumstances, be allowed to participate in an unscripted, free-flowing conversation; the type of conversation that the New Media is all about.
So Harris will stick to silence or appearances on friendly legacy media channels where she mechanically recites bland, non-committal policy statements in response to softball questions.

Brett H
Brett H
4 days ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Harris should be more than able to hold her own in those formats.
This is exactly the problem for the Democrats; she can’t. This woman could never sit down and chat off the top of her head. We do that sort of thing every day all day long. She has absolutely nothing to say, It’s hard to know if she’s totally vacuous (which is the real possibility) or she’s such a useless victim of the party machine she doesn’t know what she should say, even if she has rehearsed everything she says. I read a comment somewhere, not necessarily here, that she’s learned all the answers to questions but she’s not even smart enough to connect the learned response to the question put to her.
This is a very good article, a great overview of politics and the media and how Trump, one lone person, has shaken things up so much. Imagine if there were more like Trump how dynamic America would be. Musk is one of those people and the establishment are trying to shut them down. How far will they go in trying to do that? Does America realise just how serious the crossroads they’re at are, and the rest of the dying world for that matter? If someone doesn’t support Trump they’re signing on for a world of slow pain.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
3 days ago
Reply to  Brett H

I guess you guys missed it when Harris completely eviscerated Trump in the one debate that he summoned up the courage to do, to the point that he was left ranting about immigrants eating pets while the world looked on aghast that this moron may once again be put in charge of the world’s most important nation. Horrifying.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
2 days ago

“they are eating the pets” got turned into hundreds of memes, which actually made it all funny and light entertainment. Trump is THE master of entertainment. Just listening to a recent podcast about him giving funny names to his opponents had the podcasters and the viewers rolling in laughter.

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M Mack
M Mack
3 days ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Right. The entire Harris campaign is a confection of the old media regime, and the whole enterprise is entirely dependent on shielding her from any real scrutiny while the keepers of the narrative keep on narrating about joy and Saving Our Democracy. If she has to answer questions posed by anyone who doesn’t think it’s their job to ensure that she’s the next President, she’s toast.
The old media’s belief in their own ability to effect a desired electoral outcome will backfire. Trump will end up with a lot of ballots from people voting not for or against either candidate, but against the media itself and all of its gaslighting, bullshit, and contempt for regular people.

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Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
3 days ago

Harris is a former courtesan who failed on of the easiest bar exams in America on her first attempt. She’s also a devotee of utterly kooky left wing politics that have demonstrably awful results. Cf California. The Golden State, in its largest cities, now resembles a refugee camp.
Both parties largely ignored middle America, particularly the working classes. THAT was Trump’s opening, and he took it, to the chagrin of the Establishment in both parties.
Most Americans don’t have bachelor’s degrees. Most Americans have a live and let live attitude about alternative lifestyles, until gay men gyrating in bikinis show up to dance at their kids’ schools. Most Americans don’t want their speech censored, their earnings heavily taxed, and the value of their currency hugely diminished. Nor do they want to pay huge sums for iffy things like windmills, bugs for dinner, and toyish, electric cars.
Importing millions of people from some of the most violent, desperate, and impoverished places in the world was also less than popular, as was defunding the police, along with the continuing call to ban firearms. Everyone can see the locked up merchandise, the disintegrating downtowns, and the grocery stores staffed entirely by Central Americans.
These trends are, to say the least, disquieting, and are the predictable results of very fatuous, asinine, and deliberate policy choices.
Biden’s press secretaries seem to believe that serious adverse consequences can simply be spun away, as if lies, half truths, exaggerations, and “fact checking” can bend reality.
Social media, talk radio, and a very small renegade news media can influence public opinion, certainly.
But neither mainstream media firms, nor aggressive propaganda and censorship initiatives, can permanently conceal glaring policy failures. Bad policies come from bad policy choices, which the left have now inflicted on a national level.
That cannot be blamed entirely on Elon Musk, and Rush Limbaugh’s successors. The blame lies with Democrats themselves.
Much of America will vote accordingly.

Mark Royster
Mark Royster
4 days ago

I can’t imagine Harris being able to shine on podcasts. The medium just doesn’t suit her. Trump is funny and relaxed and seems to enjoy himself. It’s fun to watch someone having fun.

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Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
4 days ago
Reply to  Mark Royster

Whatever you think of Trump, he’s authentic and real. Harris is an avatar.

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
3 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Yes…. and that’s what most of the political commentariat have still not understood. Whether you think Trump is great or terrible; whatever he is, he certainly is the genuine article of it. He’s not pretending to be something he’s not like the vast majority of politicians are.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
3 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Yes, he is authentic and real. So was Idi Amin, Muammar Ghaddafi – and Dennis the Menace. Would you entrust either of those with the leadership of the US – or what is left of the Free World? I would have preferred Joe Biden to Trump even if Biden had died first. An avatar steered by a competent team is a lot less risky than a narcissist dissociated from reality.
‘Steady as she goes’ may not bring great improvements – but it is a h*ll a lot better than ‘Never mind the compass – full speed ahead! We all know that icebergs are not real!

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Arthur G
Arthur G
3 days ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

You act like we have no experience with Trump as President. For three years, America was thriving under Trump, and the world was peaceful. If the Chinese had decent lab security, he’d have been re-elected in a landslide.

Gerry Quinn
Gerry Quinn
3 days ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Dennis from the Beano, yes. Not the other one.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
2 days ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

… and he is very funny

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 days ago

Trump is appearing before audiences the corporate press ignores. No wonder the establishment is so desperate to regulate digital channels.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
4 days ago

Yes. I have three ages of communication: Parchment, Gutenberg, Internet. I can see that Gurri and Trump know much more than I do.

Mark Royster
Mark Royster
3 days ago

Chief Rabbi Sacks said on a BBC interview that every major leap in communication technology, from the alphabet to the printing press to telegraph/TV to wireless and now internet, launched a period of extreme social and political upheaval. We are in the thick of such right now. The smart phone may deserve its own category. We are in a battle for control of information and narrative. Everything else is downstream. Even culture. This is why “old” media is coming unhinged. They are losing control.

Sue B
Sue B
3 days ago
Reply to  Mark Royster

Great explanation. Thanks!

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
2 days ago
Reply to  Mark Royster

Good points. You can see why the 1st Amendment is such a threat to the powers that be.

John T. Maloney
John T. Maloney
2 days ago

Trump’s applied social media strategy is a National Treasure. His pervasive interactions are the very Voice of Freedom. Modern executive development embraces enthusiasm, confidence, and repetition to achieve persuasion. Top business schools compel future executives and leaders to create and fundamentally advance a shared imagination.
In comparison, Harris is a dead fish. Harris’s over-scripted, teleprompted, rare, brief, and robotic industrial media appearances are orthogonal to new media realities. Her wispy bromides are downright sickening. Kamala’s feeble chestnuts spawn contempt.
Trump and his 89 million followers were bounced off Twitter in January 2021. Today, the X/Twitter owner, Elon Musk, is part of the Trump campaign and rallies. Musk will be invited to the Trump Cabinet to lead the government Efficiency Commission in auditing the entire federal government.
My oh my, how things change.

Arthur G
Arthur G
2 days ago

Why was my comment deleted?

David A. Westbrook
David A. Westbrook
17 hours ago

Bravo Sam. I completely agree with beginning the arc with Rush Limbaugh. What I’m wondering about: if the medium is the message, as you media types like to say, then are all media compatible with a democratic electorate? What if the answer is no? Anyway, kudos.

Champagne Socialist
Champagne Socialist
3 days ago

Maybe Trump can start a podcast after he loses in another landslide? You people will listen any old nonsense.