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How Syria will shape Europe’s future We cannot afford another refugee wave


December 14, 2024   6 mins

War is of its nature an uncertain business. Only in retrospect does Assad’s fall, so improbable last week, now look fated. It is ironic, given the opprobrium with which Arab normalisation with his regime was greeted by pro-rebel advocates, that that same normalisation may have helped spell his doom. Seeking to reintegrate himself into the Arab fold, Assad allowed relations to cool with the Iran-centred Resistance Axis which had ensured his survival a decade ago. Yemen’s Houthis have accused Assad of clamping down on their activities in Syria to win Israeli and Gulf Arab favour; Iran now briefs that Assad was an ungrateful and undependable ally in their conflict with Israel; Hezbollah, smarting at Assad’s standoffish response to their recent setbacks, swiftly abandoned a last-minute attempt to preserve his rule.

For all that the Western advocates of the Resistance Axis worldview lament the downfall of their embattled hero, it was the decisions made by the Iranian and Hezbollah leadership to abandon him to his fate that made Assad’s fall so swift and relatively bloodless. Hamas has congratulated the victorious rebels; Hezbollah has expressed its support for Syria’s territorial integrity and political transition; with Russia apparently negotiating with HTS to preserve its coastal bases in Syria, and Iran and the new regime establishing diplomatic relations, when Assad finally sank, the regional waters closed over him with barely a ripple.

Syria now pauses at a crossroads, where both hope for a better future, and scepticism that it will be achieved, are equally warranted. The essential problem of Syrian politics has always been how to manage the country’s religious and ethnic diversity. The Baathist model, essentially an alliance of minorities and the Sunni elite against the Sunni Arab mass (and east of the Euphrates, of Sunni Arab tribes against the Kurds), in the end failed. Whether or not the new Syrian regime can succeed is an open question. Yet whatever happens now, it is up to Syrians to achieve. Rebel victory was won not by Western intervention but by the West essentially walking away from the Syria question at a loss. Advocates of the Syrian rebels, who spent a decade demanding Western military intervention to place a rebel government on the throne, now possess the end-state they have fought for for so long. Now it is their responsibility to ensure that the system they demanded is an improvement upon that which it replaced. The Assad government’s fall was not the result of the West’s actions, nor will the results be the West’s responsibility.

Indeed, it is for the better that Assad’s fall was not the product of Western bombs. This was a Syrian-led transition, helmed by a group Western powers spurn as terrorists, whose success depended as much upon the sudden decision by Assad’s own former loyalists that the regime was no longer worth fighting for as it did the rebels’ force of arms. Kleptocratic, unwilling to translate seeming victory into necessary political reform, deliver prosperity beyond the regime leadership to its core support base, or in the end ensure their security, the Assad regime simply shredded its own legitimacy. A state is like some local deity in this respect: once enough people cease to believe in it, it suddenly ceases to exist. There is a lesson for Western, particularly British, leaders here; HTS has spent years honing its legitimacy by observing the core competences in statecraft and effective governance — policing, transport, swift and responsive reaction to sudden crises.

“It is for the better that Assad’s fall was not the product of Western bombs.”

Indeed, the extraordinary recent interviews with HTS officials attempting to introduce their own stripped-down, digital governance to Syria’s bureaucratic state suggests that Jolani may be as much a 21st-century state-capacity autocrat like Bukele or the younger Gulf rulers than any narrow analogue in Islamic statecraft. Rather than a retreat to the Middle Ages, for good or ill the new Syrian state will be a 21st-century one, and not built on the old model of 20th-century regimes like its Baathist forebear.  Technocratic, results-driven governance is, by its nature, non-liberal, even if not necessarily illiberal: in the new Syria, we may indeed see glimpses of our own near future. But whether or not HTS can expand its effective governance in Idlib – the establishment of which, it should not be forgotten, involved the eradication of some of the most prominent liberal revolutionary voices – to the wider country remains to be proved. When Damascus fell, it was to the forces of the rebel Southern Operations Room, formerly Jordanian assets latterly (and we now see, ineffectively) “reconciled” to Assad’s rule by Russia. The repeated exhortations by HTS for armed rebels to leave the cities to allow security to be established by (its own) police forces highlight one potential tension: how far HTS can exert its authority over its own notional, and generally worse-disciplined allies.

It is one of the ironies of Syria’s rebellion, which does not map onto mainstream pro- or anti-rebel Western discourse, that Salafi jihadist groups such as HTS, through their greater discipline and adherence to stern moral codes, have generally been better at governance than the broadly secular rebel militias the West once backed to varying degrees. Indeed, the Islamic State’s original rise to power across Northern Syria came off the back of quashing predatory rebel militias to the acclaim of Syrian civilians — before then imposing its own brutal and apocalyptic vision of governance. Initial, cautious noises of optimism made on social media by some of the former regime’s most outspoken advocates have been dented in recent days by footage of atrocities carried out, seemingly, by members of the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army (SNA) rebel militias, some of which were once recipients of American military support. Retaliatory rebel excesses — or the sheer banditry for which the SNA is now renowned — will rapidly lose HTS its recent and hard-won domestic and international legitimacy unless Jolani can rein these groups in.

Yet this may not be possible. Whatever Turkey’s role in the HTS offensive, Erdoğan has used the sudden fait accompli in western Syria as the moment to achieve his longstanding aims in the country’s east, of eliminating the Kurdish-led but multiethnic Autonomous Administration of Northeast Syria (AANES) statelet, the West’s chosen partner in the fight to destroy Islamic State. Backed by Turkish airstrikes, SNA militias have forced the AANES’s Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) troops from the city of Manbij, west of the river Euphrates. An apparent American diplomatic push to ensure AANES’s survival east of the river does not seem to be working, with Turkish ground and aerial bombardment of the celebrated border city of Kobani heightening fears of a wider invasion. While the AANES and SDF leadership have made clear their desire to incorporate their statelet in the new Syria, and have already begun pragmatic negotiations with HTS, Jolani may not be strong enough to rein in the SNA or confront its Turkish backer. Indeed, he may not want to: rather than fight the SDF himself, it may be easier for HTS to allow Turkey and the SNA to take the brunt of the fighting and international opprobrium, and reap the spoils at some later date.

Like the opportunistic Israeli ground invasion of southern Syria, condemned by European states, the Turkish invasion of northern Syria shows two notional American client states pursuing their own expansionist foreign policy ends, while a directionless United States seems powerless to stop them. Condemning each other for identical actions, Turkey and Israel together threaten Syria’s largely peaceful transition, eroding the new state’s legitimacy while setting the stage for a resumption of major conflict, and in the case of Northeastern Syria, almost certainly provoking a new refugee crisis for Europe.

On the one hand, the pragmatic acceptance of Syria’s new order by regional and international powers like Russia and Iran shows what actual “multipolarity”, rather than the crude, reflexively anti-Western folk usage, could look like; the West is simply one actor among others hashing out mutually acceptable compromise deals. Yet the opportunistic aggression of both Israel and Turkey highlights that the most dangerous multipolar rivalry comes from within the American order itself. If America has any part to play in the new Syria — and the incoming Trump administration seems to disavow any future involvement in the country — it is simply to use whatever diplomatic leverage it still possesses to safeguard the country’s sovereignty from its own regional clients. Whether it is able to do so will determine the extent of America’s survival as a regional actor.

“The most dangerous multipolar rivalry comes from within the American order itself.”

For us Europeans, with America fading from the picture, the stability of Syria and the wider Middle East is a core strategic interest. Leaving the management of the Syrian conflict to America and regional rivals over the last decade destabilised European politics through the ensuing interlinked waves of mass migration and terrorism, the combined effects of which will ripple through our continent’s politics for decades to come. Europe cannot afford another Syrian refugee wave, and it is a central interest in preserving Europe’s stability that much of the previous wave must be undone, as humanely but swiftly as possible. Diplomatic engagement with HTS, indeed, sets a precedent for the same process with Afghanistan’s comparable Taliban government, for the same ends.

Beyond that, it is in Europe’s interests to help Syria recover from the effects of its lost decade, through lifting sanctions and supporting the country’s economic recovery. Removing terrorism designations from HTS, as the Labour government has suggested may soon follow, could well be a pragmatic step: ensuring that European volunteers from within the group’s ranks, and from within the ranks of allied, even more extreme jihadist groups do not return home is also pragmatic governance. If the overriding theme of Syria’s transition to rebel governance is one of pragmatic, multipolar bargaining for acceptable outcomes, then Europe must begin to think of itself as an independent actor, with its own interests to safeguard, rather than a charity on continental scale.

Rebel rule will mean a new Syria, one way or another. It must also mean a new European way of engaging with an unstable world.


Aris Roussinos is an UnHerd columnist and a former war reporter.

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Pete Marsh
Pete Marsh
14 days ago

“How Syria will shape Europe’s future: We cannot afford another refugee wave”
It’s clear that we couldn’t afford the last one…

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
14 days ago
Reply to  Pete Marsh

It isn’t clear at all what advantages any nation gains by accepting another country’s least successful groups. Latin America isn’t at all unhappy that the United States allowed in so many of its disadvantaged, similarly, Middle Eastern countries must be delighted that Europe accepts, more or less willingly, large numbers of their poorest.
But, beyond humanitarian reasons, what benefits do they bring, besides dubious ones like cheaper labor, or exotic cuisine? Assuming there are other benefits, do these at all outweigh the costs?
We now have blatantly antisemitic protests in London, and even in NYC and LA, traditionally cities with large Jewish-American populations. We have both socialists and Hezbollah sympathisers sitting in American local and national legislatures. We have very illiberal, far left identitarian movements that just a few years ago burnt down entire city blocks.
Much of this was spurred on by careless immigration policies. This all seems entirely self inflicted, and entirely unnecessary – simply turn them back to their country of origin, and the problems that unlawful entrants bring are turned back as well.

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
14 days ago

I think Trump is going to give everyone a demonstration of what is possible when you don’t care what university professors, NGO’s, and the legacy media have to say about it.

Peter Stephenson
Peter Stephenson
13 days ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Oh yes please, let this be so.

jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
13 days ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

you’re all way too hopeful. He’ll fight against the same old resistance and nothing will happen, just like in the UK.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 days ago

Even the Chileans are unhappy at the half million Venezuelans who have decamped and arrived in their country. And both are Latin Americans and, for the most part, Catholics. Chile having a population of 20 million.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
13 days ago

Catholicism to me is the Cathedral of Sacre-coure, Dante, Michelangelo, and Puccini. To others, it’s a liberation theology, or some other sort of political thing.
I don’t mind whom I see at Midnight Mass on Christmas – all are welcome. But when my local grocery stores seem to be staffed entirely by Central Americans, and when I hear politicians literally endorse destructive neo-Marxist ideologies, then the Anglo-Yankee part of me rears up and says “no.”
Worse yet is the prospect of a Wahabist, Salafist, or radical Shiite group taking hold, burying women in layers of cloth, throwing homosexuals off of rooftops, or making us “submit” to the will of their god. No.
People who emigrate to our countries need to assimilate, obey the laws, work as hard as we do, and integrate themselves into our society. Again, anyone who does so should be warmly welcomed.
If they do the opposite, then they’re not fellow citizens so much as they are invaders.

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
13 days ago

Wow, I hope western nations are invaded and need to seek asylum some time soon and are greeted with the same racist cruelty you peddle.

jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
13 days ago

Did you read the last paragraph in Andrew Banbarner’s comment? You’re quite correct- we do worry more about our lives and the lives and future we pass on to our children. If you despise the country of residence and want to live in an Islamic way and follow their diktats then reside in a country that has that way of life. Don’t try to implement it in the UK/Europe/Australia. As we are finding out, most citizens don’t want that to happen and strangely many of them are immigrants (legal ones) who don’t want to live that way either. They and we want to lead independent lives and raise our families to look forward to the same.

Chipoko
Chipoko
11 days ago

Why do you self-signalling ‘Progressives’ invariably resort to the ‘racist’ slur and other tedious identity clichés? If you want your contributions to be taken seriously then move away from puerile playground politics! By hurling such ad hominem abuse around discussion forums you [a] reveal far more about yourselves than about the people you seek to insult, and [b] remove any intellectual foundations from the points you so ineptly make.

jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
13 days ago

There is no ‘simply turn them back to their country of origin’.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
9 days ago
Reply to  jules Ritchie

Eisenhower turned back hundreds of thousands of Mexicans in the 1950’s successfully ie Operation Wetback

Marilyn Shepherd
Marilyn Shepherd
13 days ago
Reply to  Pete Marsh

It’s clear the racist west who get few refugees in the main are more worried about their selfish lives than helping others. ONly 15% of all refugees ever reach the west and all the west who wrote the refugee convention are the first to break it. It’s disgusting.

jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
13 days ago

You’re quite correct- we do worry more about our lives and the lives and future we pass on to our children. If you despise the country of your residence and want to live in an Islamic way and follow their diktats then reside in a country that has that way of life. Don’t try to implement it in the UK/Europe/Australia. As we are finding out, most citizens don’t want that to happen and strangely many of them are immigrants (legal ones) who don’t want to live that way either. They and we want to lead independent lives and raise our families to look forward to the same.

Peter Buchan
Peter Buchan
11 days ago
Reply to  Pete Marsh

Sigh…
And yet the UK (and by implication it’s citizens) happily participated in all the steps that ultimately led the middle east, and now Syria, to this point.
Channeling Graham Greene: “Innocence is like a dumb leper who has lost his bell, wandering the world, meaning no harm.”
And the proposition that this wasn’t achieves through “Western bombs” is the very quintessence of Greene’s objection. Who sheltered, encouraged, trained and armed HTS? Who arms Israel? Did Turkey act alone without the permission – overt or inplicit – of NATO?
Some of the writing, and opinion shared, on UnHerd are utterly surreal at times.

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
13 days ago

Does Mr. Roussinos seriously suggest that the West (the US via the CIA, and Britain) did not have a very heavy guiding hand in the current debacle? By all accounts, the ever-cash-strapped Erdogan secured a massive dollop of cash for Turkey as quid-pro-quo for organising the implementation.
We need to stop talking about “US foreign policy”. There is no such thing – it assumes that the US has a formulated vision of its strategic goals, and a coherent strategy for pursuing them. The reality is that the instruments of US foreign policy are being hijacked by various fiefdoms, some entrenched, some transitory, but all with their own agendas, most of them short-sighted if not outright bonkers, but certainly far from a “strategy”. It is why you at one time had CIA-supported terrorists fighting Pentagon-supported terrorists in Syria.

Andrew Vanbarner
Andrew Vanbarner
13 days ago
Reply to  Jürg Gassmann

This is what happens when your country is administered by what appears to be a committee of university sophomores, yes.
The US President was largely absent, being both senescent and far more interested in lining his family’s pockets, than in foreign policy.
On the other hand, his domestic policies – print money and hand it out, blame COVID – were equally asinine.

Steve White
Steve White
14 days ago

Israel and Turkey are benefiting from this, for now. It was a huge blow to Iran, and to Russia, for now. However, I think Turkey and Israel have bitten off more than they can chew. They are going to find themselves in a quagmire. To the point about Europe not being able to afford a new wave of Syrian refugees, that’s true. Europe is getting screwed by the NeoCon government overthrows and forever wars yet again.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
14 days ago
Reply to  Steve White

“Europe”, basically the EU, should look after its own people but it’s sole achievement is to impose further laws and regulations on them, whilst being of no geopolitical consequence whatsoever.

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
13 days ago
Reply to  Michael Cazaly

The goal of a bureaucracy is to extend its power and activity through the proliferation of offices and ever more intricate procedures imposed on their subjects. Any benefits that accrue to the subjects are incidental. There is no reason to suppose that the EU will willingly look after the citizens of Europe, apart from those who are bureaucrats themselves.

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
13 days ago
Reply to  Steve White

Turkey and Israel can afford these adventures only because they are being bribed (Turkey) or supported (Israel) by the US. When the US stops shovelling tonnes of funny money into neocon boondoggles, Israel will collapse, and Turkey will scrabble for new patrons.

Michael Cazaly
Michael Cazaly
13 days ago
Reply to  Jürg Gassmann

But there is no reason why the USA would stop…it just prints the stuff.

Matthew Freedman
Matthew Freedman
13 days ago
Reply to  Jürg Gassmann

Turkey has its own agenda not led by the US. Hoping the only Jewish country in the world ‘collapses’ is extremely cruel.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
13 days ago

Why is it cruel? What has Israel ever done to deserve support?

jane baker
jane baker
12 days ago

Read the works on Ancient History by Tom Holland,or listen to the Podcast he does with Dominic Sandbrook. (The Rest Is History). Right from the dawn of humanity life has been cruel.
Rewriting history to benefit yourself is cruel. Inventing a genocide and conquest origin when there was no such thing in order to justify such atrocities in the future is despicable.

RM Parker
RM Parker
14 days ago

“A state is like some local deity in this respect: once enough people cease to believe in it, it suddenly ceases to exist.” – This. If anyone doubts what lies in wait for Britain, if common identity cannot be established, read that statement and reflect. Conrad also knew this well.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
13 days ago
Reply to  RM Parker

This links in with the other Unherd article regarding the rise of private security to replace the failures of the police to deal with burglary. If the State abandons the services the citizens actually want for their own priorities then the citizens will question the point of paying taxes and the State will wither further.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
13 days ago
Reply to  RM Parker

Were the sort of people who gather at events such as the WEF the first to cease to believe? All these worthies are very disparate in many ways, yet they all have a mysterious underlying unity.

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
13 days ago
Reply to  RM Parker

This was one of the most important things I learned in the study of the law: laws, constitutions, treaties, even states themselves are not entities fixed for all time, carved in stone. They are the product of the support and belief of the people – they live, change and die in line with that support and belief.
I remember the moment I realised that, I guess I was in my early 20s at the time. All of a sudden, the world became far scarier, as reality became far more fluid. Then I realised what an exciting place the world is precisely because of this potential for change and transformation.
Growing up in nice, stable Britain allowed me the luxury of realising that a) late and b) from reading a textbook. I have many friends from the former Eastern bloc who learned it in childhood and specifically in 1989 when their realities suddenly dissolved.

General Store
General Store
13 days ago
Reply to  RM Parker

As usual it’s one analytical shibboleth for them and another for us

Josef Švejk
Josef Švejk
13 days ago
Reply to  RM Parker

The UK and Europe appear finished as “western” states with the level of immigration, much of it Islamic, changing the core values of those states. Arguing over whether to stop further migration should not even be an argument. The UN and liberal media run the courts and strong action needs to be taken extra judicially to maintain order and western culture.

jane baker
jane baker
12 days ago
Reply to  RM Parker

I will turn 70 in two months time and I think it was the first day of lockdown in 2020 when I felt I didnt live in the country I grew up in. Now I feel totally alienated but how much of that is down to being “an old person I don’t know,from history and literature it seems most.people of my age feel this way.

Chris Whybrow
Chris Whybrow
14 days ago

This is probably the best article I’ve read on the subject so far. Most western analysts don’t seem to know who the Southern Operations Room are. They just assume HTS took Damascus alone.

j watson
j watson
14 days ago

That was better Article by this Author than some – more informative, less obviously biased peddling a specific world-view.
I would question whether Iran, Russia and Hezbollah made an explicit decision not to support Assad or were just so weakened they couldn’t. Hence they want the narrative to be they made a choice when in fact they didn’t.
French pre War mandate almost split the country in four – an Alawite, Druze and separate Aleppo and Damascus governing regions. A fifth, Lebanon, survived, just although with huge governance problems. Could/should something similar be a way forward? Practically it feels v unlikely, but in some regards what is still playing out is the arguable artificiality of the creation of the State of Syria in the first place.

Steve White
Steve White
13 days ago

I wish our rulers were as good at taking care of the wellbeing of Western citizens as it is at overthrowing world governments, shaping opinion, making billionaires rich, starting endless wars, and winning elections, then protecting politicians that enforce their wills.
By the way will the populist Romanian politician be murdered, thrown in jail, or just banned for having the wrong views?

Katharine Eyre
Katharine Eyre
13 days ago

“Europe cannot afford another Syrian refugee wave, and it is a central interest in preserving Europe’s stability that much of the previous wave must be undone, as humanely but swiftly as possible.”

It is so important to acknowledge these twin truths and discuss the consequences in a sensible way. Returning as many Syrians as possible as soon as possible to their homeland, thus reaffirming the temporary nature of asylum, is absolutely critical in maintaining public support for the entire European asylum system.

Right now, after a decade of large scale abuse and several decades of asylum simply resulting in unquestioned long-term residence, that support is hanging by a thread.

Jürg Gassmann
Jürg Gassmann
13 days ago

The conspiracy theory du jour that I am quite taken by is that Russia saw early on that propping up Assad had become a lost cause, so they set Syria up as a vacuum bomb to suck in all the West’s various proxies and puppets – just like Zbigniew Brzezinski set Afghanistan up for the Soviets.
So now we have a snake pit of loose cannon sectarian guerrillas (various CIA-financed ISIS-redivivus jihadis, Pentagon-financed terrorists, Iran-friendly and battle-hardened Shia, anti-Turkish Kurds, etc.) vying with two imperial powers (Turkey and Israel), with a handful of US empire troops stuck in their remote bases as sitting ducks.
What could possibly go wrong?

John Tyler
John Tyler
13 days ago

“ the opportunistic Israeli ground invasion of southern Syria”

Also described by the author as “Israeli aggression”, this is a gross misinterpretation of Israel’s actual motivation. Having spent decades under constant threat from neighbouring states and terrorist groups sheltered and supported by those states Israel is rightly nervous when an overtly Islamist force takes control next door. Assad had agreed to a truce, at least in terms of its regular military, and there is absolutely no guarantee that the new mob will adhere to that. It would be insane to risk an organisation that believes in the violent overthrow of Israel to move into The Golan.

Dee Harris
Dee Harris
13 days ago
Reply to  John Tyler

Indeed. And “the opportunistic Israeli ground invasion of southern Syria” is aka defending your country’s borders. TTK and the fake Tories could learn from this.

Jeff Dudgeon
Jeff Dudgeon
13 days ago

“Europe cannot afford another Syrian refugee wave, and it is a central interest in preserving Europe’s stability that much of the previous wave must be undone.” Dream on. The reality is that the UK cannot repel the inevitable new wave of boarders especially as Sir Keir Harmer operates a government hinged only to ‘international human rights standards’ and ‘the rule of laws’.

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
13 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Dudgeon

I wonder when “the rule of law” came to mean betraying your own people. I’m interested to see what Starmer does; it will be the acid test of his principles.

Peter Stephenson
Peter Stephenson
13 days ago

As with Jolani, perhaps, as suggested above, Britain is already well softened up for a full scale technocratic dictatorship, as many, to most, of the decisions and functions of state now occur beyond the reach of parliament and of anyone who is accountable to, or even reachable by, the public. Forget elections, at least unless we get a party in that is willing and able to slash and burn a massive structure that the knowledge and manager class love and cherish, which gives such benefit to themselves and their bag carriers, while casting the rest of us into the unpredictable hazard, which arises out of their incompetence and selfishness, with sharp edges and points increasingly directed straight at us and our loved ones.

Douglas McNeish
Douglas McNeish
13 days ago

Starmer has shown repeatedly, before and since becoming PM, that his primary loyalty is to the the global fraternity of international lawyers – not to the people of Britain – for whom he shows contempt.

George K
George K
13 days ago

European policy is the policy of unelected EU bureaucrats which is deeply anti-European. No doubt they would welcome a new wave of refugees.

LindaMB
LindaMB
13 days ago
Reply to  George K

Perhaps they long for a civil war so they can clamp down and become the dictatorship they have wet dreams about

Paul Thompson
Paul Thompson
13 days ago

At this time, a schedule for the return of Syrian refugees from Turkey, Iran, and all the countries of Europe should be set up. There is no longer any reason for Syrian refugees to gain asylum. It’s time to end the Syrian diaspora. Get them OUT of Europe.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
13 days ago

I don’t believe that Adlib was better governed than the rest of Syria. One would have to talk to many unbiased citizens/observers of both to judge. And btw Assad thought he was responding to the political changes with his 2012 Constitution, which dismantled the Baathist one party state, and opened up political parties ( only to the far left), while forbidding religious parties to stand for Parliament. By keeping rules allowing women MPs, and allowing western dress, Assad of course was going against the tide of history.

jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
13 days ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

So separation of church and state – a good thing but then arresting, torturing and imprisoning every dissident. He could have become leader of a semi-democratic nation, still with himself as head but allowing personal freedoms to citizens. Women especially must be terrified at present as they watch their lives slipping back to the rules of Islamist doctrines.

Matthew Freedman
Matthew Freedman
13 days ago

“Turkey and Israel together threaten Syria’s largely peaceful transition” – there’s a difference in that Israel is one lost battle away from defeat and the loss of the only jewish country. For Turkey even if Kurdistan was formed partly out of south east turkey, Turkey would still exist and be a large country. I do hope syria does well though.

D Walsh
D Walsh
13 days ago

Israel destroys Syria, Europe gets refugees

Thanks a lot

Matthew Freedman
Matthew Freedman
13 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

The refugees that came to Europe from Syria are because of the Assad regime and his Putin ally bombers.

D Walsh
D Walsh
13 days ago

NO

The civil war is Syria was started by outside powers, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the US, they all fund the islamists, they caused the first wave of refugees, and they will now cause the second wave

martin ordody
martin ordody
13 days ago

Part of it was created by Obama. This time is Israel and Turkey who will be responsible for it.

Paul Thompson
Paul Thompson
13 days ago

I would guess that Erdogan is sitting with his advisors and setting the schedule for emptying the camps. They have been hosts for millions of Syrians. It ends now.

Bernard Brothman
Bernard Brothman
13 days ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Not all of Europe gets refugees. Look at how Poland and Hungary dealt with waves of refugees – these countries did not take them.
I am not European, so I defer to those of you who are to elect governments that will make the necessary decisions on first whether to accept refugees or not, if so how many, and what are the conditions for staying and leaving.
Perhaps it is time to send many of the Syrians back to the area in Syria of their choosing.

Victoria Cooper
Victoria Cooper
13 days ago

Great attempt at elucidating the most complex area on the Earth.

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross
13 days ago

Israel’s incursion into a former ‘demilitarized’ zone, via a truce agreement with the former Syrian regime, has been done from pragmatic considerations of security; ditto for the elimination of missiles, chemical weapons stores, and heavy artillery, which the new regime will not be able to properly secure, nor will it need, unless war-torn Syria will soon have a new war, which is unlikely, this writer sincerely hopes ….

jane baker
jane baker
12 days ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

I don’t believe that excuse but I dont know why.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
12 days ago
Reply to  jane baker

If it was about security, why are the Israelis now planning to double the number of settlements on the land they’ve annexed?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
13 days ago

You couldn’t afford the first refugee wave, but it came anyway. Past performance is not always indicative of future results, but it’s a good place to look when managing expectations. Of course, there will be more refugees because, unlike Assad, the new crowd appears far less tolerant of religious minorities. Many in this group will be genuine asylum seekers fleeing persecution, not economic refugees displaced by the fighting. The march toward Eurabia continues.

Addie Shog
Addie Shog
12 days ago

Poor analysis. Started off badly when the author suggests that Hezbollah and the Iranians withdrew support from Assad. In actual fact they were unable to continue support having been severely weakened by Israel.
Now they are both scrambling to find favour with the new crazies that have taken over Syria.
Israel, by the way, is more than justified in her measures to prevent weapons, conventional and otherwise, falling into the hands of HTS.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
12 days ago

I see Israel today are looking to double the number of illegal settlements in the Golan Heights by stealing more territory that doesn’t belong to them, yet many on here always want to label them the “good guys!”

Jim McDonnell
Jim McDonnell
11 days ago

It will take somebody with Jolani’s pedigree to convince minorities that they have nothing to fear from the Sunni majority. Only by doing that can he – or a more talented Islamist politician if he does not succeed – achieve stability. And he may have to clash with his Turkish backers. If Erdogan succeeds in further weakening the SDF, ISIS will come spilling out of the prisons that the SDF can no longer guard. It’s not altogether accurate to describe the SDF as our partner of choice in fighting ISIS. They were the only ones we could depend on to fight ISIS, while both Erdogan and Assad were happy to allow ISIS recruits to traverse their territory on their way to Raqqa. So who else were we supposed to support? If Jolani wants a stable Syria and wants to keep ISIS, in check, an alliance between the HTS and the SDF would appear to make sense.
And the author’s point about how much better it is that this was achieved by Syrians is extremely well taken. It would have been so much better if the Iraqis had overthrown Saddam Hussein. They resented the fact that outsiders had to do it, the outsiders proved ill prepared to govern the country and the outsiders paid.

Giles Toman
Giles Toman
11 days ago

Europe could easily stop these “waves” of migrants, just by using naked force against them.

Maverick Melonsmith
Maverick Melonsmith
14 days ago

“….with Russia apparently negotiating with HTS to preserve its coastal bases in Syria….” If I were HTS, I would tell Russia the first year’s rent for the bases is the head of Bashar al-Assad.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
13 days ago

Interesting your view is the same as the disgusting jihadist murderers. Do such statements make you feel good? Strong? Manly?

Maverick Melonsmith
Maverick Melonsmith
13 days ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

No, of course I do not support the jihadist murders. However, I do have a strong view that people should be punished for their crimes, and that “live by the sword, die by the sword” is an appropriate viewpoint in circumstances like this. Assad is a butcher, pure and simple. I doubt even his stanchest supporters would seek to deny that he killed huge numbers of his people. I believe a suitable punishment for that is his own summary execution. Ideally his sons should be executed too (because that’s how things are done in Arabic nations). That is how it went for Saddam, and that is how it went for Gaddaffi. That is how it should go here.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
12 days ago
Reply to  Anna Bramwell

He needs something to feel that way. Talking tough probably sexually excites him.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
12 days ago

Ooooh! You are so very brave.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
12 days ago

You’re forgetting that the bulk of commentators on here are now pro Russian as its the contrarian way to act, hence the down votes