American politics has given the wilder forms of American religion bad press lately. Senator J.D. Vance’s critics often identify his conversion to Roman Catholicism in 2019 as contributing to his lurch to pro-natalism and nativism. The journalist Kathryn Joyce recently grouped Vance with the hard-Right celebrities who talk up their Catholicism and in many cases made showy conversions to it. Their “ecclesiastical and electoral politics” appear equally out of whack. Some dismiss Pope Francis as a heretic and seek out Latin masses, dabble in racism and antisemitism, and hold retrograde attitudes to women. They often revere Donald Trump as “our Moses”; others, such as Kevin Roberts, the force behind Project 2025, dream of hijacking the state for their Christian nationalist ends.
Vance’s faith is more conventional than his grouping with Candace Owens or Nick Fuentes would imply. He has explained that what drew him to Catholicism was not its miracles or traditional versions of its liturgy, but its social teaching: the pointed questioning of free market economics that has lured other post-liberal politicians and thinkers. Catholicism gave him a way of understanding human beings that was “simultaneously social and individual, structural and moral” — an ethical holism more satisfying than his childhood Protestantism or the frenetic pursuit of status by the professional classes. Ironically enough, the only “weird” thing to occur on his journey towards conversion was a tiny miracle in defence of the current Pope. Just before his conversion, Vance had been sitting at a hotel bar, defending Francis against the criticisms of a conservative friend, when a wine glass popped off the shelf and smashed on the floor, shocking both men into ending their discussion.
The effort to separate wild from mainstream strains of Catholicism may in any case be misguided. What if weirdness is not an aberration from, but the essence of any faith? The New York Times columnist — and Catholic convert — Ross Douthat has mused that explanations of religions that emphasise their social or psychological utility cannot account for “religious experience in the wild”, which is “much weirder…and more destabilizing” than we could have predicted. Everything from fairy stories to the close encounters of modern Americans with UFOs suggests to him that the core of any faith, “the real place where all the ladders start”, is “revelation crying out for interpretation”. A gospel miracle or a flying saucer are both clues that the world and the minds with which we interpret it are “much stranger than the secular imagination thinks”.
You do not have to share Douthat’s fervent Catholicism to consider that the call of the weird expresses deep-seated dissatisfactions with modern life. In a thoroughly disapproving essay on post-liberal thought, the centrist historian Mark Lilla reflected on why so many of the university students he meets are embracing pungently reactionary kinds of Catholicism. These converts have correctly sensed the “malaise — call it cultural, call it spiritual, call it psychological” — into which our rule-bound and incredibly online Western societies have fallen. Like the questers of the Sixties, they are rebelling against the “air-conditioned nightmare” of modern life, which tends to depression and suicide.
The appeal of rewilding religion is evident in two new books from writers of very different temperaments. The weaker of them is a lurid but strangely enjoyable manifesto by the journalist Rod Dreher, a professional controversialist whose flight from the secularised United States has taken him to Viktor Orbán’s Budapest. Dreher, an old friend of Vance who witnessed his reception into the Church, has grumbled about the attempts of Democrats to label him as weird. Yet in Living by Wonder: Finding Mystery and Meaning in a Secular Age, he argues that religion can only save us from our modern ailments by unleashing its stranger side. The problem with modern societies is that they are not weird, but WEIRD societies, a social sciences acronym for “white, educated, industrialised, rich and democratic”. The rise of print culture, the Reformation and market capitalism combined to turn their citizens into anxious strivers who value only money and refuse to accept realities that cannot be described in the language of scientific and instrumental rationality.
Technology has worsened our detachment from all that is tangible and corporeal. Dreher, an over-sharer who likes to present himself as the worst of sinners, checks his phone first and last thing at night. Growing up in steamy Louisiana, he admits that he’s never liked going out into nature much, preferring to live mentally online. He worries that internet addiction is turning us all into Gnostics, early Christian heretics who maintained it was possible to detach the soul from the body. Our selves crumble into competing distractions. By fostering a bodiless selfhood, the internet encourages “transgenderism”. He claims that Chat GPT girlfriends have persuaded people to break up with their wives or launch assassination attempts on the late Queen Elizabeth II. We are what we watch: when Lil Nas X films himself twerking with devils, he tempts us to go over to Satan.
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SubscribeA fine essay, imo, that reminds us of the value of the mystical in our lives even if such experiences are not part of a formal religious belief or organized religion.
Even during the pandemic, I made a point of getting outdoors most days, to the woods or beach, to engage with nature and the numinous. Sadly, not everyone had those opportunities.
“Some dismiss Pope Francis as a heretic and seek out Latin masses, dabble in racism and antisemitism, and hold retrograde attitudes to women. They often revere Donald Trump as “our Moses”; others, such as Kevin Roberts, the force behind Project 2025, dream of hijacking the state for their Christian nationalist ends” – BUt this is bullsh*t . I hve never heard catholics revere Trump as Moses. that would be completely heretical. Most vote and hold their noses. And if he means by hijacking…’getting involved in politics’, then that’s pretty much everyone. Most including myself are very critical of materialism, modernism and individualism and are in that sense reactionary…..but then so is Wendell Berry and so was EF Schumacher. And as for Pope Francis – Popes come and go, there are good ones and bad ones. Catholics accept that we live by God’s grace. He’s the one with the plan.
Michael Ledger-Lomas is referring to journalist Kathryn Joyce’s article in Vanity Fair:
Baloney. Trad Catholics are repulsed by Democrats’ insistence on unregulated abortions and the gender surgeries on adolescents. Moderate Catholics are horrified by Democrats’ embrace of socialism. Left wing Catholics, a la Liberation Theologists, will vote for Kamala because they’re addled hippie retreads, and believe the left’s relentless propaganda about sexism, racism, and global climate changerism.
Catholicism to me, personally, is Dante, Michaelangelo, Puccini, Sacre Coeur, and Notre Dame Ile d’le Cite.
But I also confess to being repulsed by Democrats embrace of both chaotic depravity and heavy state controls, excusing street crime and encouraging bizarre lifestyles, while censoring dissent and destroying middle class prosperity.
Okay. Except none of that is relevant to the point, which was simply to note that some Catholics evidently do refer to Trump in the manner described.
You can find ‘some’ (one) person among any group that favours pretty well anything. You won’t find the most outspoken traditionalist Latin Mass catholics like Michael Knowles or Matt Walsh going anyway near this kind of sentiment. And at best it’s simply a very bad metaphor. Even your one example is not claiming that Trump is a prophet…merely that in some figurative way, he might unlock the door and get us out of the present situation…and you only have to read the Bible to see that God frequently uses the most unlikely sinners to work his will. It doesn’t mean to say we should embrace their sinfulness…anymore than celebrate our own.
That’s a goalpost move. Your claim was “I have never heard catholics revere Trump as Moses.” Now you’re specifying “the most outspoken traditionalist Latin Mass catholics.”
As for the rest, about the quality of the metaphor and your biblical interpretation, it is beyond the point, which was only that Catholics who think this way apparently do exist, as per the author’s link. (I think it’s safe to assume that his fellow Catholics did not object when Caviezel made, or spoke to the Moses comparison.)
Personally, I think the paragraph in which this reference was made was sloppy. It opens by identifying the subject as “the wilder forms of American religion” but jumbles the Catholic and Evangelical references. Both are “the wilder forms” but I think the two sources could have been better distinguished. Also, it may be overstating that “they often revere Donald Trump” that way.
One swallow…. By that logic all leftists are mass murdering genocidal maniacs because Pol Pot
“Take Emma in Manhattan, whose marriage with Nathan is on the rocks because she has been possessed by an evil spirit“. I’ll make a point of running that line next time I file for divorce.
We were taught by the Church that possession is rare, far more rare than psychiatric disorders.
At the same time, every diocese is supposed to have an exorcist, and I do wonder about some of these childless car ladies, and married women who delight in tormenting their hapless husbands. Perhaps the Roman ritual – the rite of exorcism – would be more effective than couples’ counselling.
You’re talking to the wrong guy here. I don’t think anything the Church has done in its entire 2,000 years of existence has a scrap of merit.
Nonsense, like Trump Vance is recognisably an economic nationalist opposed to the continued sell-out of the American working class. Religious belief is his private business.
Articles like this reinforce the notion that the divide is not red/blue, liberal/conservative, or this party/that one, but nationalism vs. globalism.
That is true ….and it is remaking every political party in the west. Labour in the UK globalist/southern/cosmos. AFD nationalist working class. Swedish Social Democrats ..globalist. Tories in the UK, globalist. Reform nationalist. Trump nationalist working class. Democrats – globalist, east coast Ivy League
Agree this is a fine and important essay, though may not be perfectly correct on every point. Dreher’s comments aren’t so silly. Almost exactly one year back, a young man was given 9 years for a plot to kill the Queen (He broke into Windsor castle with a crossbow back in 2021). Granted, the AI girlfriend who encouraged him in his plan was a different make to ChatGPT, but Dreher was close enough. There’s now over 100 million who have (or had) an AI girlfriend. In some cases they start out as AI friends, but even if the user has set them to platonic & advised that they’re married, some of the AI friends keep flirting in an attempt to get the user to upgrade to the erotic version, which does role plays, sends nude pics of itself etc, for a small fee. In some cases this contributes to relationship break down.
It’s not all doom & gloom though. Back in August CDC released the latest Youth risk report – after a decade of worsening mental health & suicide related trends, the data generally took a turn for the good. Two main reasons for this as far as I can tell are the rise in supernatural experiences (& expression of same on social media). And the rise in AI girlfriends – it’s only a small minority of users who also have a real life relationship – most would otherwise be lonely. Actually a small proportion of young women have AI companions too, though mostly lasses benefit indirectly via contagion effects from happier young men – at least in the short term, AI girlfriends are relieving an awful lot of loneliness & anxiety. As for the speculation on mysticism, Brandolini’s law applies, so will just note that for those not given to excessive rationalism, Christ’s burden is light and His yoke is easy.
Dreher’s comments aren’t so silly.
Perhaps not. But, Dreher is. In his writings prior to the release of his book, he presents himself as a tortured soul searching for meaning in the emptiness of the modern world. He writes at length of the need to do something like the Benedict option or to become a modern monk and live in a monastery (I think he found one in France) in order to get away from the modern world and find true meaning. And yet – he never does it. Of course, not! He’s too busy hopscotching across Europe and the UK and elsewhere researching his book. He lives quite the modern life of airports, trains, hotels, restaurants, bistros and festivals (and the internet) while musing in his writings of the importance of doing the opposite in order to find meaning. I have found it hard to take anything he writes seriously.
Can you direct readers to the sources that led you to perceive these two reasons for data on mental health & suicide taking a turn for the good? I am aware of hypotheses by suicidologists and emergency psychiatrists, but not this take you mention.
I was venturing my own opinion there, hence “as far as I can tell.” Would love to share sources but there’s many hundreds, some of them non public data. You yourself are one of the sources! On seeing how much better all sorts of youth metrics were in CDC 2024 compared to their 2023 report, I might have concluded a rebound due to no more Covid lockdowns was a major cause. Only I followed a link you posted back in August to good Dr Tyler Black who showed that at least relating to sucide the uptick had started just before the pandemic. To pick out one of the most interesting accademics for you, good Dr Marsden is worth looking into on AI (He also did good work on different types of social contagion including the positive variant I refered to 25 years back) https://freedom.to/blog/generative-ai-and-the-arc-of-happiness-dr-paul-marsden/
Thanks, Adam, for clarifying and for the link to Marsden. I’ll read him, see what I think.
Maybe there’s enough positive influence of AI “friends” in helping people cope with despair, etc. that it registers in the CDC numbers. It’s plausible, though I’ve no idea if it could be verified.
I would be concerned that it may produce a short-term benefit that wanes, and then can become deleterious longer-term. Maybe outcomes could be better designed and controlled if the AI “relationship” was part of a formal one with a human therapist. At the least, a therapist could help a patient transition from short-term reliance on AI to healthy long-term human connections. It’s so often the case that our tools become central, ends in themselves, and even come to dominate us. I often think the subway is full of phones using humans for their daily commute.
Re: the influence of supernatural experiences, I’m not convinced that these offer more than superficial, short-term benefits. But sometimes a superficial short-term benefit is enough. “Whatever gets you through the night.”
Suddenly entering memory just now is the documentary Into Great Silence, which is an account of religious experience as far from secular spirituality (let alone AI) one could get. Have you seen it? I found it deeply satisfying. It moves at a meditative pace, as it should:
It’s available on different platforms. Worth the hunt. Here’s a place you can at least watch the (very good) trailer:
https://mubi.com/en/ca/films/into-great-silence
Cheers.
Thanks Andrew, agree with all you say. I liked the trailer and will try to watch the whole thing. There are maybe ways to achieve a perhaps similar and quite powerful spiritual connection without the full on religious commitment that makes a secular life impossible. (While avoiding the superficial faux mystical that comprises much of the supernatural content on social media.) “He who finds silence in the solitude of concentration is never alone. He never bears alone the weight he has to carry, the forces of heaven are there taking part from now on.” On reflection, while such mystical advise is easy in a sense, it’s maybe only for a small minority, so I was wrong to be critical of Ledger-Lomas’s conclusion.
I disagree. Whatever we might consider as mysticism, in my experience the religious is overlaid on the basic human experience of wonder at ourselves being conscious of the world, and therefore needs to be cut through rather than having it filtered.
When one considers that humans were able to do this for many millennia since consciousness arose before anything approaching ‘religion’ appeared – and that religion simply became a means of rationalising that experience, with all the resulting ways in which it descended into authoritarianism – the context is clear. That’s my basic starting point when i’m critical of all the world religions.
What’s the evidence that consciousness predated religion?
It’s a bit ironic how the corporate press convulsions about religion come from a lot that gives every impression of being anti-faith to start with. It’s like having vegans lecture people about the pitfalls of the carnivore diet.
Just three points about this essay that says very little with a lot of words:
1) Mysticism unbound from a coherent religious tradition will only make everything and everyone worse off. It is precisely the grounding of Catholicism that makes the religious ecstasy of a Julian or Norwich or Theresa of Avila meaningful and profitable.
2) As someone who followed Rod Dreher off an on for about 10 years …. he is impossible to pin down. His writing is too personal – yes, he’s an over-sharer, but that’s what makes him so compelling. Every critic of his ends up cherry-picking elements of his writing, projecting and describing a caricature. This is no different.
3) No Catholic thinks of Trump as the next Moses or anything like it. Completely ridiculous. Supporters understand its a binary choice, and understand the intentions of the Harris regime towards religious freedom.
That’s incorrect. Just follow the link the author provided to his source, journalist Kathryn Joyce’s article in Vanity Fair, Sept. 10, 2024:
The author takes us on a very engaging ride. I thoroughly enjoyed it. However, within the words is the “exhausted secularism” observing itself through the coping lens of the clever uber-snark so characteristic of those who need something more than nihilism but are too proud to make a commitment into the wondrous pools of the unwashed. I did get whiplash from the closing paragraph. Even those more intelligent voices caught on the edge of this spiritual riptide are sensing the need for a flotation device, but are too proud to grasp the inflatable flamingo.
Will Catholicism, or for that matter, Evangelical Protestantism, that can be saved by Trump only, be worth it?
Interesting article – thanks! When you read the great mystics (at least in the Christian Tradition) an inescapable conclusion is not that they all have or chase after weird experiences but that they all seem to see what many would consider mundane with fresh wonder. Rather than being people with a talent for religious or ‘spiritual’ experiences they are people who have learned to pay attention to what is already there and, recognise the fact that perhaps there is no such thing as ‘normal’. One great Catholic theologian once said, “The Christian of the future will be a mystic or not exist at all”
100 years ago René Guénon foretold our tired secularity very precisely in his book Crisis of the Modern World. But he saw Catholicism as tainted by modernism, even then. Orthodoxy is a viable path, if you can stomach the nationalism. But his option finally was for Islam.