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Largely unremarked amid the drama, risk and controversy of its reaction to the October 7 attack is that, over the past year, Israel has experimented with a new type of warfare: targeting its enemies’ entire command structures. The occasional tactical assassination is as old as time, of course, and in the modern age has been commonly practised not just by Mossad but also the US, Russia and India, among many other governments.
What’s new about the recent Israeli method, however, is that it doesn’t stop at one or two important figures. Rather, they’ve gone after leaders, planners, strategists, figureheads and key implementers, with the obvious goal of not merely slowing down the adversary but actually crippling them, ideally beyond repair, and turning the population against them by demonstrating just how damaging these leaders are to their quality of life.
It’s too soon to say if this will become a key tactic in Israel’s arsenal, whether it will prove effective in the long run, and what responses it might draw from their enemies. Yet what we can speculate on is this: might a strategy that emphasises the enemy’s decision makers turn out to be good news for civilians?
The goal of bombing across many previous conflicts, notably the Second World War, was to demoralise the citizenry through starvation and destruction. As late as 2003, meanwhile, the goal of the US bombing blitz in Baghdad was to cow the Iraqi population into a state of “shock and awe”. The current Israeli goal, at least in theory, is to eliminate the people and infrastructure of their sworn enemies. This is a significant difference, and is potentially epoch-making.
The unjust distribution of the costs of war have been one of its eternal features. Wars are declared by leaders, planned by generals, fought by often-reluctant footsoldiers — and endured in misery by the population at large. To put it differently, it’s always been ordinary people, the conscripts on the frontlines and the mass of civilians behind, who bore the brunt of any war, and this hasn’t changed. According to the Red Cross, a full 90% of war-time casualties remain civilians.
In theory, these civilian losses are “collateral” damage, unintentional and regrettable consequences of fights between armed combatants. But the evidence shows that most lethal action against civilians is either deliberate, or else represents a consequence that was known in advance and judged to be acceptable. You don’t bomb a city like Dresden without realising that you’ll be burying women, children and the elderly in the rubble, with an estimated 30,000 perishing in February 1945. 7,500 civilians died during America’s initial bombardment of Baghdad, and thousands more were traumatised and maimed.
What if 2003 had gone differently? What if, instead of invading the country, the Americans had simply killed Saddam and his inner circles in a focused strike? There might have been no insurgency, no sectarian slaughter, no eventual Iranian triumph. Or, to return to the Second World War, what if the Allies had tasked Oppenheimer with focusing his scientific genius on developing missiles instead of atomic bombs, with the goal of destroying Hitler and his advisors in the Eagle’s Nest? What, to put it bluntly, if they’d targeted Hirohito not Hiroshima? Would that not have sacrificed one life for thousands?
It’s hardly a new question. I grew up with it. My grandmother, cynical over a lifetime of catastrophic military ventures that saw her survive the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the loss of two world wars, and the Soviet occupation of her country, perennially greeted global conflict with the comment that “the big shots with their big ideas should fight it out directly” and leave the civilians out of it. But, to reluctantly quote Steve Bannon, this was a pipe dream, because “the aristos never fight”.
And in fact, over more recent decades, psychopathic dictators not only sidestepped punishment, but were allowed comfortable exiles overseas. That’s what happened with Baby Doc Duvalier, the erstwhile Haitian despot, or Jean-Bédel Bokassa of the Central African Republic, who both found themselves living the high life in France. Alfredo Stroessner of Paraguay, protector of Josef Mengele and killer of political opponents, was hosted by Brazil. The theory behind this genteel approach was that a cornered dictator would fight to the death, thereby prolonging the bloodshed. Offer him an attractive way out, and more slaughter could be avoided.
Over time, though, this solution became less acceptable to global public opinion, ushering in our current era of sanctions and International Criminal Court arrest warrants. The approach sounded salient on paper, but in truth the ICC lacks any real muscle and has rarely proved effective either as a deterrent or as an instrument of justice. Just ask Vladimir Putin.
The Israeli approach, then, represents a far more impressive reframing of the question of accountability. As we’ve discovered, war always assumes collective guilt. But are civilians truly more deserving of punishment for the decisions of their leaders than those rulers themselves? “They went along with it,” we may say. And that’s true. Too often, indeed, fanatical leaders can count on the hysterical enthusiasm of the masses. “They elected them,” we point out, and that sometimes applies too.
Yet civilian populations are usually motivated by little more than the chance to prosper. Most people, moreover, are not heroes of the resistance. American voters did not choose a president in the knowledge that he would become obsessed with non-existent WMDs in Iraq. The fateful decisions, in short, are made at the top. What does a corporation do when it’s in trouble? Does it fire the entire staff, or replace the CEO? Isn’t it then both more just, and arguably more efficient, to go after the leaders?
A stronger objection comes from political scientists. While they generally agree that “decapitating” an enemy by taking out its leader is psychologically effective, they argue that the impact only lasts until a successor emerges, and all you may have achieved in the end is having created a martyr. What’s different now is that Israel seems to be aiming well beyond mere psychology, and is instead working to disable the broader command structures of its foes. It has focused on disrupting the enemy’s communication channels, as well as preventing new leaders from taking over. Just a day after killing Hassan Nasrallah, the IDF also targeted his Hezbollah successor.
From there, the list continues. Ali Karaki (Nasrallah’s longtime adviser); Eid Hassan Nashar (the commander of Hezbollah’s medium-range rocket force); Samir Tawfiq Dib (the commander of its southern front); Nabil Kaouk (deputy head of its central council); all these, and many more, have been killed in Israeli strikes. Nor has the IDF neglected its main ideological enemy: Iran. The assassination of top Hamas leader Ismael Haniyeh, while he was staying at an official military guesthouse in Tehran, is an excellent example. The suspicious death of Iran’s former president Raisi in a helicopter crash may or may not have been an accident — but anyway bears striking similarities to Israeli actions elsewhere.
To be clear, I’m not ignoring the appalling number of civilian casualties in Gaza, nor the impact on Lebanon. Nor do we yet know how other players may respond to this emerging new style of warfare. Mossad’s recent pager attack is a remarkable piece of spycraft, untangling adversaries from their surroundings. It plucked the Hezbollah members from the crowd, albeit imperfectly. But the similar weaponisation of daily items could plausibly yet be deployed by the West’s enemies too, with obviously unpredictable consequences.
So far, though, our assessment must be: tactical advantage Israel. Even after taking some time to think it over, Iran hasn’t been able to react innovatively to Israel’s attacks, instead launching its usual knee-jerk show of missiles into established Israeli defences.
If, then, we want to be optimistic: there’s a chance that Israel’s focus on going after the “brains behind the operations” might make leaders think twice before sending their lackeys off to die. And if not, it may at least drive a salutary wedge between violent-minded ideologues and the population at large, as the latter recognises that they’re better off without them. In fact, this may already be happening in Lebanon, where criticism of Hezbollah is beginning to be voiced by politicians and the public at large. Netanyahu’s message that the Lebanese people aren’t the enemy will need, in light of the damage they’re suffering, to be amplified with concrete offers of cooperation and support.
If a group of protestors went to the same place and did the same thing, but were – say – urging the government to deport everyone who hadn’t been born in the UK, would they be allowed to explain their beliefs to the court for four hours?
Exactly, the regime permits protest groups that they have common cause with. Just Stop Oil and BLM are pushing against an open door. Compare their treatment with Tommy Robinson’s etc.
The “regime”, my foot. You never faced a moment of state oppression in your cossetted life mate.
Covid?
In the UK who has faced a moment of state oppression?
Have you? May I ask.
As at 15.57BST, stunned silence from the “oppressed “ McCusker.
Idiotic objection. We have a political class openly intent – through Net Zero – on the deliberate destruction of our liberty and living standards but you, presumably, don’t want anyone to refer to them in draconian terms until they’ve actually succeeded?
Grow up.
Covid?
In the UK who has faced a moment of state oppression?
Have you? May I ask.
As at 15.57BST, stunned silence from the “oppressed “ McCusker.
Idiotic objection. We have a political class openly intent – through Net Zero – on the deliberate destruction of our liberty and living standards but you, presumably, don’t want anyone to refer to them in draconian terms until they’ve actually succeeded?
Grow up.
I shared your view until this verdict, it seems the pendulum is swinging the other way.
And the authorities are always absent in the event of left wing violence against right wing groups
Are you the author of this article?
He is not!
He is not!
The “regime”, my foot. You never faced a moment of state oppression in your cossetted life mate.
I shared your view until this verdict, it seems the pendulum is swinging the other way.
And the authorities are always absent in the event of left wing violence against right wing groups
Are you the author of this article?
You’re allowing self-pity to cloud your thinking. You’re failing to distinguish between (i) illegal actions in support of a legal cause (such as helping the environment) and (ii) illegal actions in support of an illegal cause (such as Nazi-style deportation policies).
You do appreciate the distinction, don’t you? Although the amount of upticks suggest that there are lots of folks with an over-developed sense of ideological self-pity lol.
Regarding your (ii) – the actions could be being taken to get the law changed so then the cause wouldn’t be illegal.
Oh, good, someone answers me by talking about Nazis.
You know nothing about my opinion of Just Stop Oil or of immigration policy.
The hypothetical about immigration policy was intended, of course, to contrast *illegal* protests in support of a “left-wing’ cause and a “right-wing” cause. A democratically elected government could pass legitimate legislation to deport all foreign-born residents (or at least those who had not already been granted permanent residency). Again, I say nothing about whether I think that would be good legislation or bad, but it could be perfectly legal.
The nazis actions caused the deaths of tens of millions of people. According to the doom goblin’s predictions five years ago, the earth should be barren and all life destroyed right now.
Regarding your (ii) – the actions could be being taken to get the law changed so then the cause wouldn’t be illegal.
Oh, good, someone answers me by talking about Nazis.
You know nothing about my opinion of Just Stop Oil or of immigration policy.
The hypothetical about immigration policy was intended, of course, to contrast *illegal* protests in support of a “left-wing’ cause and a “right-wing” cause. A democratically elected government could pass legitimate legislation to deport all foreign-born residents (or at least those who had not already been granted permanent residency). Again, I say nothing about whether I think that would be good legislation or bad, but it could be perfectly legal.
The nazis actions caused the deaths of tens of millions of people. According to the doom goblin’s predictions five years ago, the earth should be barren and all life destroyed right now.
Exactly, the regime permits protest groups that they have common cause with. Just Stop Oil and BLM are pushing against an open door. Compare their treatment with Tommy Robinson’s etc.
You’re allowing self-pity to cloud your thinking. You’re failing to distinguish between (i) illegal actions in support of a legal cause (such as helping the environment) and (ii) illegal actions in support of an illegal cause (such as Nazi-style deportation policies).
You do appreciate the distinction, don’t you? Although the amount of upticks suggest that there are lots of folks with an over-developed sense of ideological self-pity lol.
If a group of protestors went to the same place and did the same thing, but were – say – urging the government to deport everyone who hadn’t been born in the UK, would they be allowed to explain their beliefs to the court for four hours?
The problem is that Just Stop Oil are religiously ideological in their outlook. They believe so fervently that the world is coming to an end that any action is justified. Their lack of doubt makes it impossible deal with them at a logical level – true believers become fanatics. The only thing we can do is protect the public from them, unless they accept that there must be some balance and duty to the public in their actions. Them having reasoning is not helping because they refuse to accept counter-arguments.
Which makes their being permitted 4 hours to talk about Global warming extremely dubious as they’re not prepared to listen to any reasoned replies to what they say. And there is a very important reasoned reply – that despite what they probably claim, the evidence supporting what they say is by no means 100%, or even 98%, both of which figures I’ve heard, of the scientific community.
The common sense argument is simple: climate change may or may not kill millions of people. Net zero policies will definitely kill millions of people – and probably whilst having little or no effect on the climate. The common sense solution therefore is adaptation.
The common sense argument is simple: climate change may or may not kill millions of people. Net zero policies will definitely kill millions of people – and probably whilst having little or no effect on the climate. The common sense solution therefore is adaptation.
Which makes their being permitted 4 hours to talk about Global warming extremely dubious as they’re not prepared to listen to any reasoned replies to what they say. And there is a very important reasoned reply – that despite what they probably claim, the evidence supporting what they say is by no means 100%, or even 98%, both of which figures I’ve heard, of the scientific community.
The problem is that Just Stop Oil are religiously ideological in their outlook. They believe so fervently that the world is coming to an end that any action is justified. Their lack of doubt makes it impossible deal with them at a logical level – true believers become fanatics. The only thing we can do is protect the public from them, unless they accept that there must be some balance and duty to the public in their actions. Them having reasoning is not helping because they refuse to accept counter-arguments.
Do Just Stop Oil deserve to be in prison?
Yes, if their protest is too disruptive. There’s a spectrum from peaceful protest, through disruptive protest, through to terrorist protest. At some point protest is so disruptive or damaging that the general public reasonably expect to be protected against it.
At last, a sane answer. Of course they will face criminal consequences, albeit minor. There will be a stain on a surface of a snooker table. In the grand scheme of things, not the most shocking offence a criminal court will ever have seen lol. Do keep things in perspective folks.
I don’t think they should be jailed, but they should have to reimburse every spectator the cost of their ticket who missed out on the session due to their actions, as well as replacing the baize on the table and any television money lost through no play being able to happen
I don’t think they should be jailed, but they should have to reimburse every spectator the cost of their ticket who missed out on the session due to their actions, as well as replacing the baize on the table and any television money lost through no play being able to happen
Yes, and blocking roads in major cities is an example of where the public ‘reasonably expect to be protected’ against.
At last, a sane answer. Of course they will face criminal consequences, albeit minor. There will be a stain on a surface of a snooker table. In the grand scheme of things, not the most shocking offence a criminal court will ever have seen lol. Do keep things in perspective folks.
Yes, and blocking roads in major cities is an example of where the public ‘reasonably expect to be protected’ against.
Do Just Stop Oil deserve to be in prison?
Yes, if their protest is too disruptive. There’s a spectrum from peaceful protest, through disruptive protest, through to terrorist protest. At some point protest is so disruptive or damaging that the general public reasonably expect to be protected against it.
Yes. They are criminals. They deliberately and knowingly set up to engage in criminal activity and cause criminal damage. They are also fully aware of the laws they are breaking – though ignorance of the law is no defence. Pre-medidated crime is always more serious than opportunistic or provoked crime.
It’s really very simple. We must enforce the laws we have. If we do not wish to punish such people, we should change the laws (not a position I agree with in these cases).
Judges who selectively fail to enforce the law due to their personal sympathies also need to be punished. This is professional misconduct.
In fact thanks to the antics of Hoffman and others, it has been quite obvious for years that we need a professional judiciary.
In fact thanks to the antics of Hoffman and others, it has been quite obvious for years that we need a professional judiciary.
Yes. They are criminals. They deliberately and knowingly set up to engage in criminal activity and cause criminal damage. They are also fully aware of the laws they are breaking – though ignorance of the law is no defence. Pre-medidated crime is always more serious than opportunistic or provoked crime.
It’s really very simple. We must enforce the laws we have. If we do not wish to punish such people, we should change the laws (not a position I agree with in these cases).
Judges who selectively fail to enforce the law due to their personal sympathies also need to be punished. This is professional misconduct.
“Do Just Stop Oil deserve to be in prison?”
Yes.
That’s the headline answered. The rest of the article, predictably, is only tangentially related to the headline and very interesting it all is, too. The most welcome argument was this: “If you know that a barrister could have refused to act for an unpopular client, you are more likely to believe that he or she approves of their actions.”
I hadn’t thought of it that way before of course, not being a lawyer myself, but it makes perfect sense. If advocates are free to reject defending people with whom they may personally disagree, then it follows that any advocate defending a person might on some level approve of that person’s actions and the crime of which they might eventually be found guilty. How then are people accused of terrible crimes to expect a fair defence? The institution of the right to a fair defence is fatally undermined by such a development.
Of course, the sorts of activists in question don’t care about that sort of thing, just as they do not care for the liberty and living standards of people in general. Their claims to care about future generations instead are the nothing more than a repeat of the same horseshit trotted out by power junkies in every generation: a distant and vague danger is hyped up so as to scare people into handing over rights and freedoms to a bunch of corrupt zealots who don’t care who they stamp upon in getting to the top.
“Do Just Stop Oil deserve to be in prison?”
Yes.
That’s the headline answered. The rest of the article, predictably, is only tangentially related to the headline and very interesting it all is, too. The most welcome argument was this: “If you know that a barrister could have refused to act for an unpopular client, you are more likely to believe that he or she approves of their actions.”
I hadn’t thought of it that way before of course, not being a lawyer myself, but it makes perfect sense. If advocates are free to reject defending people with whom they may personally disagree, then it follows that any advocate defending a person might on some level approve of that person’s actions and the crime of which they might eventually be found guilty. How then are people accused of terrible crimes to expect a fair defence? The institution of the right to a fair defence is fatally undermined by such a development.
Of course, the sorts of activists in question don’t care about that sort of thing, just as they do not care for the liberty and living standards of people in general. Their claims to care about future generations instead are the nothing more than a repeat of the same horseshit trotted out by power junkies in every generation: a distant and vague danger is hyped up so as to scare people into handing over rights and freedoms to a bunch of corrupt zealots who don’t care who they stamp upon in getting to the top.
They deserve to be inconvenienced enough that they think twice about doing it again and serve as a deterrent against similar activities.
Community service may suffice. Perhaps cleaning up dead birds killed by windfarms or helping out at a rare minerals mine in Africa.
They need to get ‘woke’ to the fact that their net zero absolutism is wrongheaded.
Or a ticket to China to enable them to protest what, in their terms, has to be the most serious threat, the proliferation of coal fired fire stations.
But you know what, they wouldn’t go
Of course not.
The first thing the ‘Chinks’ would do is despatch them to a Re-Education Camp in the Gobi Desert, from which very few would survive.
Would that be any loss?
Exactly, most of “climate emergency” woke idiots are Neo-Marxists who hate the West.
Usually grads in soft subjects in 3rd rate pseudo universities….
You can meet them as staff in many craft beer bars in London.
Not as customers. They are too stupid to have a job to afford it…
Of course not.
The first thing the ‘Chinks’ would do is despatch them to a Re-Education Camp in the Gobi Desert, from which very few would survive.
Would that be any loss?
Exactly, most of “climate emergency” woke idiots are Neo-Marxists who hate the West.
Usually grads in soft subjects in 3rd rate pseudo universities….
You can meet them as staff in many craft beer bars in London.
Not as customers. They are too stupid to have a job to afford it…
The huge quantities of balsa for rotor blades destroying forests and communities in Equador, the BPA resin accumulations (preventing foetal brain development as well as other detrimental effects) in crop fields and waterways (declared as safe by the American Clean Power Association(!!) though not by other environmental agencies) and run offs into the sea, the pressure waves from the rotors killing bats as they fly past, shredding birds on migration routes, the interference with sediment/nutrition mixing in marine systems, the lack of recyclables…..and they don’t work if the wind don’t blow. Problem with net zero? A minor spit in a bucket compared to EV’s.
AND Greenpeace are now campaigning for windfarms in the Northern right whale breeding grounds in the Arctic which the old protesters risked their lives to protect in the seventies!
It beggars belief that people who purportedly have enough capacity to run a country (Boris, Sunak) could be duped into thinking net zero is a solution and thereby strengthening the beliefs of ER. Net zero may well have disastrous effects on climate. CO2 in the atmosphere is back in favour with the real scientists with a vengeance! A public education drive could go a long way to turning the protest tide.
Meantime, they’ll do less damage to the environment if they’re locked up.
Public education drive?
Great idea but who would do it?
Surely not teachers and MSM who are pushing this agenda?
No ‘duping’ is involved. The likes of Sunak and Johnson work for the WEF, not for us. They are only following orders…
Public education drive?
Great idea but who would do it?
Surely not teachers and MSM who are pushing this agenda?
No ‘duping’ is involved. The likes of Sunak and Johnson work for the WEF, not for us. They are only following orders…
Or a ticket to China to enable them to protest what, in their terms, has to be the most serious threat, the proliferation of coal fired fire stations.
But you know what, they wouldn’t go
The huge quantities of balsa for rotor blades destroying forests and communities in Equador, the BPA resin accumulations (preventing foetal brain development as well as other detrimental effects) in crop fields and waterways (declared as safe by the American Clean Power Association(!!) though not by other environmental agencies) and run offs into the sea, the pressure waves from the rotors killing bats as they fly past, shredding birds on migration routes, the interference with sediment/nutrition mixing in marine systems, the lack of recyclables…..and they don’t work if the wind don’t blow. Problem with net zero? A minor spit in a bucket compared to EV’s.
AND Greenpeace are now campaigning for windfarms in the Northern right whale breeding grounds in the Arctic which the old protesters risked their lives to protect in the seventies!
It beggars belief that people who purportedly have enough capacity to run a country (Boris, Sunak) could be duped into thinking net zero is a solution and thereby strengthening the beliefs of ER. Net zero may well have disastrous effects on climate. CO2 in the atmosphere is back in favour with the real scientists with a vengeance! A public education drive could go a long way to turning the protest tide.
Meantime, they’ll do less damage to the environment if they’re locked up.
They deserve to be inconvenienced enough that they think twice about doing it again and serve as a deterrent against similar activities.
Community service may suffice. Perhaps cleaning up dead birds killed by windfarms or helping out at a rare minerals mine in Africa.
They need to get ‘woke’ to the fact that their net zero absolutism is wrongheaded.
The ideas behind “protest” are to peacefully bear witness, and in the US under the First Amendment to peaceably petition the government. Nowhere was there a right to disrupt or threaten people in their pursuit of their normal activities or business. All the confusion comes because we now allow such tactics of disruption, intimidation, and threats and have trouble knowing where to draw the line.
The line should be drawn at or very near zero. You can bear witness or present a petition of grievances, and if that attracts media and public attention, fine. If you plan a huge crowd, there should be an avenue to get a permit that involves special accommodations such as temporarily preempting the public right of way. Beyond that level of approved disruption, you cannot disrupt, intimidate, or physically abuse or threaten people.
That would be right and fair and pretty easy to adjudicate.
The ideas behind “protest” are to peacefully bear witness, and in the US under the First Amendment to peaceably petition the government. Nowhere was there a right to disrupt or threaten people in their pursuit of their normal activities or business. All the confusion comes because we now allow such tactics of disruption, intimidation, and threats and have trouble knowing where to draw the line.
The line should be drawn at or very near zero. You can bear witness or present a petition of grievances, and if that attracts media and public attention, fine. If you plan a huge crowd, there should be an avenue to get a permit that involves special accommodations such as temporarily preempting the public right of way. Beyond that level of approved disruption, you cannot disrupt, intimidate, or physically abuse or threaten people.
That would be right and fair and pretty easy to adjudicate.
I have long thought that protesters can always defy laws they disagree with, provided they are prepared to accept the legal consequences. I would consider doing so myself. However, defying a law, even a bad one, and expecting to be let away with it is not part of the deal. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not living on the right planet.
I have long thought that protesters can always defy laws they disagree with, provided they are prepared to accept the legal consequences. I would consider doing so myself. However, defying a law, even a bad one, and expecting to be let away with it is not part of the deal. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not living on the right planet.
The one guy has been arrested six times. I get protests. I support the right to protest, but there needs to be an example at some point.
I know someone who is the same in my area of living. He is a nice chap, but once he is in protest mode he comes across as a cult member. And until he received home arrest, which I agree was onerous, he was getting arrested every few months. I think after a few arrests it seems like an addiction too for many. Just Stop Oil and my acquaintance would be much better off getting their hands dirty and actually helping people and local projects in regards to the environment.
I know someone who is the same in my area of living. He is a nice chap, but once he is in protest mode he comes across as a cult member. And until he received home arrest, which I agree was onerous, he was getting arrested every few months. I think after a few arrests it seems like an addiction too for many. Just Stop Oil and my acquaintance would be much better off getting their hands dirty and actually helping people and local projects in regards to the environment.
The one guy has been arrested six times. I get protests. I support the right to protest, but there needs to be an example at some point.
Wouldn’t it make much more sense to compel these idiots to compensate every single person whose property they’ve damaged or whose life they’ve disrupted – even if that takes many years.
Let’s face it: they’ll be out in a few months to a hero’s welcome.
Wouldn’t it make much more sense to compel these idiots to compensate every single person whose property they’ve damaged or whose life they’ve disrupted – even if that takes many years.
Let’s face it: they’ll be out in a few months to a hero’s welcome.
Britain is now imprisoning people for the most disturbingly insignificant crimes, not least today for a farmer dredging a river. Prison more often that not destroys peoples entire future and lives, giving them no option other than becoming career criminals, using skills that they have actually acquired in prison.
The climate change eco sandaloids are a slightly different case, in as far as they and their acolytes see imprisonment as a superb ” martyrdom” asset, so imprisonment is actually a double negative to and for all concerned.
Our prisons are a disfunctional disgrace, run by criminals, using a regime of drugs and violence, with successive governments doing absolutely nothing about this chilling situation: yet another example of the descent of a once great country into a third world mess.
Our entire Criminal Justice system is an utter disgrace!
Certain QC/KC’s raking in salaries of over half a million for ‘Legal Aid’ work, and then being promoted to the zenith of the pile!
If this continues anarchy will be the result. And that will be anarchy “sine missione”.
Our entire Criminal Justice system is an utter disgrace!
Certain QC/KC’s raking in salaries of over half a million for ‘Legal Aid’ work, and then being promoted to the zenith of the pile!
If this continues anarchy will be the result. And that will be anarchy “sine missione”.
Britain is now imprisoning people for the most disturbingly insignificant crimes, not least today for a farmer dredging a river. Prison more often that not destroys peoples entire future and lives, giving them no option other than becoming career criminals, using skills that they have actually acquired in prison.
The climate change eco sandaloids are a slightly different case, in as far as they and their acolytes see imprisonment as a superb ” martyrdom” asset, so imprisonment is actually a double negative to and for all concerned.
Our prisons are a disfunctional disgrace, run by criminals, using a regime of drugs and violence, with successive governments doing absolutely nothing about this chilling situation: yet another example of the descent of a once great country into a third world mess.
Maybe there should be escalating sentences. Maybe light treatment for first conviction and stiffer penalties for each subsequent conviction.
Maybe there should be escalating sentences. Maybe light treatment for first conviction and stiffer penalties for each subsequent conviction.
“Do Just Stop Oil deserve to be in prison?”
YES!!
“Do Just Stop Oil deserve to be in prison?”
YES!!
Well, laws around protests are very complex. What is not too complex to understand, however, is the fact that if the protesters’ desired outcome is to get people on their side (and influence the government), it is having the opposite effect.
Well, laws around protests are very complex. What is not too complex to understand, however, is the fact that if the protesters’ desired outcome is to get people on their side (and influence the government), it is having the opposite effect.
Like most readers i find these eco-loons beneath contempt, despite their hypcracy and luxury beliefs being what you’d expect from posh kids who’ve never had to work. They seemingly ignore our rampant disregard for the bioshpere whilst wittering about warming and cow farts. However they seem to be unlucky here. The UK lacks a real legal system and a legitimate judiciary. These ecos clearly got the judge who worked for Brown and Root or has a lot of Exxon shares. In the same week i read about someone getting i think it was 4 years for a killing and a cleric only 3 years (out in 12m?) for child sex offences. The eco-loons are IMO misguided, their dead-eyed loyalty to the cause is scary. I’ll leave the readers to consider how they’d rate the “legal” system and “judiciary” by comparison?
Like most readers i find these eco-loons beneath contempt, despite their hypcracy and luxury beliefs being what you’d expect from posh kids who’ve never had to work. They seemingly ignore our rampant disregard for the bioshpere whilst wittering about warming and cow farts. However they seem to be unlucky here. The UK lacks a real legal system and a legitimate judiciary. These ecos clearly got the judge who worked for Brown and Root or has a lot of Exxon shares. In the same week i read about someone getting i think it was 4 years for a killing and a cleric only 3 years (out in 12m?) for child sex offences. The eco-loons are IMO misguided, their dead-eyed loyalty to the cause is scary. I’ll leave the readers to consider how they’d rate the “legal” system and “judiciary” by comparison?
Yet again draconian censorship has ruined this discussion.
You MUST do better UnHerd.
Yet again draconian censorship has ruined this discussion.
You MUST do better UnHerd.
So we allow ‘peaceful protest’ and then put in rules that make the protests totally ineffective. We allow freedom of speech and then jail protesters for ‘silent prayer’.
So we allow ‘peaceful protest’ and then put in rules that make the protests totally ineffective. We allow freedom of speech and then jail protesters for ‘silent prayer’.
To better understand the fanatics, read an old book, Eric Hoffer’s
“The True Believer.” His examples are drawn from Nazis and Communists, but his conclusions are applicable to human kind.
Thank you Adam. A beautifully lucid statement of the arguments.