The vast majority of therapists today are women. So, too, are the vast majority of their clients. But the earliest ones were almost all men. And, whatever we think of him now, Sigmund Freud’s ideas on infant development were more fully elaborated for boys than girls.
Back then, the father was a central figure both in culture and children’s development. He stood for authority, hierarchy, boundaries and individuation. He was both exemplar and competitor for a developing boy. This view underlies Freud’s theory of the Oedipus complex, and was also central to complex civilisations: in Moses and Monotheism, Freud argued that a hero “is a man who stands up manfully against his father and in the end victoriously overcomes him” and that this is a keystone of Judeo-Christian culture.
Today, though, psychoanalytic theory is more likely to view the symbolic father as a reactionary holdout to be dismantled. Meanwhile, as I discovered when I took a four-year psychotherapy training course a decade ago, men have retreated almost entirely from talking therapies, whether as clients or practitioners.
Does this disappearance matter? A new book by Wall Street Journal writer Abigail Shrier suggests that it may have far-reaching ramifications. Bad Therapy: Why The Kids Aren’t Growing Up is an uncompromising study of therapeutic child-rearing across individual therapy, pedagogy, governmental data-gathering and the culture as a whole. Bad Therapy argues that far from helping, these practices make everything worse. The children and young people raised by boundary-negotiating, feeling-validating, trauma-exploring, “talk it out” parents and educators, marinaded in the therapeutic worldview are not, as hoped, happier, more confident, and more emotionally literate. They’re neurotic, anxious, and self-absorbed; alternately fearful of the outside world and adept at exploiting soft-authoritarian therapeutic institutions for personal advantage; above all, they are profoundly unhappy.
Shrier doesn’t suggest a causal relationship between the retreat of men from therapy, and the emergence of therapeutic parenting. But both are clearly aspects of the same wider trend, toward a symbolically fatherless world. And this has left the field to a monolithically maternal style of child-rearing: one of nurture, understanding, care, and boundless empathy. Paradoxically, though, this has not empowered mothers but stripped them of agency too. For as Bad Therapy shows, the turn away from authority has not resulted in greater emotional literacy or even more kindness, but anxious, uncontained young people, and a ballooning field of increasingly intrusive therapeutic professionals.
Bad Therapy takes a sledgehammer to every article of therapeutic parenting and pedagogical faith. No, setting boundaries and punishing does not traumatise children. And even early difficulties usually produce not “trauma” but “resilience”. No, “trauma” is not “stored in the body”. Validating children’s feelings does not make them feel safer. No, asking children how they are feeling all the time does not produce more capable, confident children. Making allowances for “Adverse Childhood Experiences” does not produce better results for children who genuinely need to overcome adversity; nor does giving children endless meaningless choices while constraining their options to the sanitised and risk-free.
But these beliefs have become holy writ for liberal America — and, by extension, wherever American culture propagates. Shrier documents the mushrooming body of school counsellors, psychologists, social workers and other auxiliaries who have proliferated in response, dedicated to helping children according to their precepts. Among wealthier Americans, therapists are routinely hired to help a child “work through” losing a pet, or kept on retainer as backup for every emotional glitch. For those unable to afford a private on-call therapist, the same worldview produces batteries of semi-trained educators delivering a “trauma-informed” pedagogy.
Shrier shows that this culture encourages children to forsake resilience for introspection at every turn. Emotional “check-ins” at the beginning of school days seem designed to yank children from an “action” mindset to a helpless, introspective one. Maths lessons have to crowbar in “social-emotional learning”. And kids barely into puberty are routinely subjected to questionnaires that invite criticism of their parents, encourage them to self-identify as mentally ill, and in some cases provide so much information about methods of self-harming or attempted suicide in the course of enquiry that, to a suggestible child, they might easily be confused for instructions. And lest anyone suggest that a shortage of therapists will curb this all-out push to make everything therapeutic, relax; Tech startups are proliferating, promising “Therapy For Every Child” delivered by AI or text message.
Is this producing a nation of happy, well-adjusted kids? Not so much. Shrier argues that far from encouraging resilience and emotional literacy, it’s incentivising under-performance among the genuinely disadvantaged, by encouraging teachers to bend the rules for the very pupils who benefit most from clear boundaries and high expectations. And among the well-off, it’s creating a generation of young adults who need a therapist to make a phone call, or to prepare them for trying to make friends in high school or college. Reports today that British workers under 40 are considerably more likely to take time off for mental health difficulties suggests that something similar has already spread as far as younger adults in the UK.
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SubscribeExcellent article. Psychology has become much too focused on “trauma prevention” and “affirmation”. It pretends all people are infants that can’t handle unpleasant experiences or information (even those experiences or information need to grow and mature). Maturation and understanding (especially for males) comes from overcoming difficulties — not from quiet introspection.
I think it’s worse that that. I think an increasing number of adults are in fact infantile in their behaviour. It’s not a pretence anymore. Not only that, such behaviour is often reframed positively. Being able to manage your own emotions is seen as being out of touch with them. While all sorts of meltdowns, temper tantrums and crying when you don’t get your own way gets sympathy or even approval.
Rubbish.
It’s not either or it’s both.
The best advice I got from my master teacher when I was a student teacher was that I was the adult in the classroom, not their friend. I set up boundaries was the most important tool I used, and I believe kids want them. Many of my students were from single parent and often chaotic households, and I think they appreciated my chaotic free classroom. Yeah, some students pushed the boundaries, but I would pull them back. I had one rule in my classes: All students were expected to behave in a civil manner and respect their peers and teacher. That was it, and it worked. I had very few discipline problems, and I handled them myself rather than send them to the office. Finally, lest you think my classes were dull , we had a lot of fun. Teenagers crack me up. On another note, Shrier mentions the symbolic father several times. Where is the real father? The book seems to focus on the mother and how she is failing her kids, yet again, where is the real father? Doesn’t he have any say in how the kids are being raised?
Absent, has bought into to this nonsense as wellor is cowering to the newly unrestrained power of the Dark Mother.
” … where is the real father?” The father was been exiled from the family in the hope that this would give the mother more authority.
More likely the ‘father’ has buggered off to find a new conquest, what with his partner becoming pregnant and unavailable and less up for it.
Firm but fair – and fun. That’s what we want from teachers. I was lucky to have a couple of such teachers. They did make a difference.
There simply aren’t enough real fathers nowadays.
Many Milennials send their children to childcare from 1. We’re yet to see the long term results of this. Some good, some bad, I expect.
A friend’s millennial, married daughter and husband are sending their child to daycare full-time, at age 6 months, because she wants to continue her career, from home. I’m horrified. We will, indeed, eventually see the long-term results of this.
I have seen the long term results. Not pretty.
Over a century ago, sociologist Georg Simmel noted women entering the public square. He said they would transform it “to suit a more feminine sensibility.”
More and more, I think that the public square is a “suck it in” environment, and the feminine sensibility does not work in the public square.
Freud asked: “What do women want?”
I say, Siegi pal, you got it wrong, as usual. It is not what women want, but what they expect. And what women expect is: “Women expect to be protected.”
More than merely protected. Increasingly women expect to be indulged – in all areas of life.
Not all women, fortunately, but it is a trend. There is no shortage of entitled women, some of whom bizarrely seem to think that living off men is an aspect of feminism.
What’s wrong with women living off men? My wife does. In fact it seems to me that one of the things that got us to this sorry point is mothers going out to work. Their guilt leads to them overindulging their kids when they are with them. The husband’s authority is also shot by not being the sole breadwinner.
Would you describe her as living off you, or are you a partnership raising children, in which she contributes her share? Not necessarily financially. That’s not being entitled.
Ah I see what you mean. Sorry for misinterpreting you.
No problem. I expected it was misinterpretation.
Btw I’ve seen plenty of couples where he is the main or sole breadwinner but she still calls the shots. Partly personality, but partly perhaps because he knows that if there is a divorce she’s pretty much got him over a barrel.
Because the world was superbly well run when Dark Fathers had more sway, as in the 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 periods, and in almost every pocket of the globe throughout recorded history?
If I had to choose one or the other, I’d choose a manly sensibility to prevail in the public square too. But there’s just a chance this reflects a self-serving bias on our parts, not some demonstrated, stand-alone superiority. Also, we don’t have to choose one or the other in some bullshit war of the sexes, or exercise in selective nostalgia.
I think the point is that periods you point to did not masquerade as some sort of utopia – it was wartime. The problems the book and article point to are different. We’ve tried utopian experimentation, and ended up with a bit of a mess. A third of young people with mental health problems, real or perceived, is not a great outcome. And it’s absolutely not what was promised.
Fair enough. Perhaps we can agree that utopian claims and time-specific predictions of certain doom tend to be…oversold.
Agreed. I recently watched some of Masters of the Air. Truly horrific for anyone to go through something like that. Young lives simply thrown away. We face nothing like that.
Perhaps we could say that we’ve made a bit of a hash of the future they were fighting for. It’s not the end of the world – but really, could we not have done better?
For them to have help saved the world for this version of freedom and democracy seems pretty shabby, I admit. Better than the alternative though.
…In Mary Harrington’s writing, here, on her substack, and elsewhere, quite rightly in my view, she is not inclined to blame particular generations, policies or even ideologies, (e.g. feminism). Her interesting take is that it’s all about technological evolution. Not least in how 19th/20th century industrialization initiated the dissolution of old assignments of economic and social roles for men and women, and medical advances, (the Pill in particular) finished it off. The current level of dimorphic chaos, (Yin ascendent over Yang from an Eastern perspective) is being accelerated by the new wave of digital tech, leading us who knows where.
Well said.
Yes, that is the key: We don’t have to choose one sex or the other…we are complimentary not at war. As another comment stated, we are almost “self colonizing” a new frontier. Perhaps all of our earthly needs have been met, and as life increasingly holds less purpose we must create meaning?
Exactly, the healthy balance is with the male/female paradigm tension utilized for best effect. Whether we can ever near this balance is the question… but it must be strived for
The yin/ yang balance applied to the culture as a whole, is absolutely desirable. Parenting is another matter. One size does not fit all. Personality type is a consideration – introvert and extrovert for instance. An extroverted parent with a sensitive, introverted child, and vice versa is a considerable challenge.
Yes, my points exactly (see responses above)
All part of removing males from the family which started with the industrial revolution.
Excellent essay. Shrier nails it again.
And the reviewer of the book nails it too, I’d say.
Seeing Jordan Peterson’s name in print without a trigger warning has left me traumatised.
I’m going to have to miss work today so I can heal. Hopefully I’ll be able to bring my whole self back into the office in a week or so.
Soo – What the gist of the article is is basically ‘Andrew Tate was right all along’.
The second point is one most of us rational ones know – that if you wanted to not mess people up – take your copy of Sigmund Freud and fling it off the seawall into the waves.
Lastly is Get Woken, Get Broken.(a Parents guide to family life)
I don’t think this excellent article excuses influencers like Andrew Tate. He’s the kind of character women rebelled against in the first place. It is, however, declaring that Jordan Peterson was right all along, which is an important distinction. If men respond to this mess by trying to coercively put women “back into their place”, it will be as disandventageous as the overkill momentum of second and especially third wave feminism. The answer is, and always has been, to blend the particular strengths of both sex archetypes to achieve a healthy balance. My parents were liberal hippies in the 60s, but they were older and so I was fortunately raised with more conservative methods, and also fortunately did not helicopter my own kids in the 90s, letting them be free range and make their own mistakes while still having clear boundaries and high expectations. (I certainly saw many parents at the time falling into the traps dilineated in this article, and took some cultural heat for it at the time.) And lo and behold, my millenians turned out to be not entitled brats, but rather conscientious and helpful adults. The key is shunning the toxic out of both the male AND the female paradigm, not swinging back and forth between the two.
You advocate a sensible balance. I’d note that we should strengthen and honor what is salutary, not just shun what is truly toxic.
What does that even mean?
That masculinity or femininity itself oughtn’t be conceived as toxic (more common with the former) or suspect (more common with the latter)
Too many among those who acknowledge average differences between men and women want to call those statistical tendencies, better–like female and agreeableness or male bluntness–or worse–like female-led “cancellation” attempts or male aggression. Instead, there can be complementary, non-hierarchical cooperation that keeps in mind that these are only sweeping generalizations anyway. That’s what I meant.
Celebrate female unconditional nurturing and male physical strength used for good, for example–whether these qualities are manifested by a man or woman. But we can’t throw out the biological baby with the societal bathwater.
Thank you for explaining. It would be delightful if all female nurturing was unconditional.
Good point. Or if all male strength was used to help people.
Exactly.
Unconditional nurturing is what the therapists are doing. Boundaries are needed.
It’s not unconditional you have to pay for it!
It’s a kind of emotional whoring.
I don’t either, but we may see more lost boys turning to Andrew Tait and the likes for answers.
Exactly. Moderation in all things, particularly parenting.
Andrew Tate is just feminism but for males. His philosophy is tied to self-serving gratification and professional achievement — the same as feminism. He doesn’t advocate guys take responsibility for their nation or to be faithful to one partner. Mary Harrington has pointed this out in another article I think.
The trouble with discussions today is that there is no nuance, no spectrum, no grey.
It’s all become a Manichean contest between utterly good and utterly evil. Do I like Jordan Peterson? I must be in Team Tate. Do I think that some consequences of US materialistic society are unhealthy? Team Marx. We’ve lost the nuance. More importantly, we’ve lost the ability to see things as variegated.
We’re all doves or hawks. We could do with a few more owls.
“We’re all doves or hawks”. Speak for yourself, please. Don’t do that “we” thing just to make yourself feel better. It’s a cop-out.
Yes! More hoo hooing and less poo pooing.
It say these weak leftist liberal parents are pathetic and we all know this.
No “we” don’t. Speak for yourself.
LOL! And did you notice how the author ends the article, in which she rightly pillories endless introspection over shrugging it off, trapping the readers in yet another introspection: “Perhaps the “latchkey generation” carries more childhood wounds than we realise.” Oh boo-hoo. Take out the tiny violin.
But, is any of this possible until we stop, as a culture, denigrating the masculine style of being? And that is going to take an awful lot of work, and an awful lot of honesty. Perhaps one could go farther and say that facing up to difficult truths, rather than believing what makes you feel best, and doing something about it, is itself part of the masculine style.
You can actually see much of this in the Netflix series Sex Education (aka Los Angeles on Wye). Absent or useless fathers and father figures (the original head), controlling and manipulative female surrogates (the new head), therapy as proper parenting, licence as liberation and a bunch of confused kids leading chaotic lives. With Jakob acting as the counterpoint, and giving some idea of what a father should be like – sticking by his dying wife even though she’d cheated on him, setting boundaries in his relationships and not constantly putting himself and his emotions first
“He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him”
I realise you probably don’t mean this literally – but we need to be careful not to associate good parenting with practices like child beating.
In Chinese families, the beatings don’t stop at childhood.
The Other Half returned from an argument with father last year with a slightly swollen cheek.
So how did you feel about that?
We had a laugh. The Other Half is solid, like a brick. The father is birdlike, sulky, ineffectual physically & philosophically.
We also need to be careful not to associate a swat on the butt with abuse. There is a wide gap between the occasional spanking and violence. I can count on one hand the number of times my two boys were spanked. That such an outcome was possible helped regulate their behavior.
I can still remember the “thwack” of my father’s belt as it exited his belt loops but he always gave me time to find the latest Time magazine to stuff down my pants. Many a time with both of us leaving the room with little smirks on our faces…point made. Twice in Jr High School I was made to “bend over and grab your ankles” as the Vice Principal unloaded on me with a solid oak paddle I had previously made for him in shop class. It only took two times and I straightened up my act for the remaining 3 years of my education. Your point is absolutely valid; let’s not mistake a disciplinary swat on the backside for child abuse. There is a vast difference that has been lost in the “western world” today.
Am I alone in detecting a disturbingly pornographic tone here.
Can I suggest you steer well clear of Rorschach tests.
No, you’re not alone. When I read that, the image that came unbidden to mind was sperm shooting out onto the kid’s buttocks.
Which is why I chose the term “child beating”. The original quote refers specifically to “the rod”.
On physical punishment generally I’m less sure, though I think it should be rare. I’m far from sure that it is more damaging than alternatives which some parents use – exclusion or shaming of various kinds, for example. I question the idea that, in mild form, it traumatises children – children show signs of trauma on a daily basis over the most trivial things, even over another child playing with a toy they want. It looks like PTSD, but is gone in minutes.
As a society we seem especially averse to physical hurt. Most people seem to take the view that it would be completely unacceptable for a wife to slap a husband if he cheated. Yet the hurt of being cheated on is beyond anything a slap could cause. Never mind the fallout which might follow.
I’m not condoning it – but it does stand examination.
Just to be clear here, and in light of some of the comments here by people reflecting nostalgically on their own humiliation – I do not believe that a child should ever be hit with an implement of any kind!
Hi, David. I remember being spanked by my mom. I absolutely don’t remember ever feeling humiliated by it. I’d guess when we’re spanked as children, we mostly don’t feel that; we feel fear, upset, temporary pain. It’s only because we look back at it as adults that we figure we should have felt humiliated as well.
Absolutely agreed
I think it’s important to note that context matters here. There’s a difference between a kid who knows “If I do xyz I’m going to get a spanking” and a kid who only knows that when his dad gets mad enough he might get hit.
Spot on.
Important distinction. I lived in a community where some fathers practised very laid-back parenting. Then, when they had been pushed too far, they exploded. It would have been much better if they took action–maybe even showing a bit of anger–before they were pushed beyond their limit.
My parents used a hand, belt, or (in my mother’s case) the sole of her Birkenstock. We got three meals a day: they probably figured three smacks per day provided a healthy balance. But they never beat us. If one can’t distinguish between beating and corporal punishment…
Now that my kids are grown, I am reassessing my tendency toward no physical discipline. I’m not sure it did me and my brothers any harm to get the occasional spank, and am not sure it did my children any good to be raised without.
In my current multicultural environment, I know a lot of non-western families use corporal punishment. And I can generally tell by their children’s behaviour which families do and which don’t. While I see no diminution of love and affection in those families that do, I see a lot of disrespect and insecurity in the children of families that don’t. Of course, every parent also needs to account for the unique qualities of their own child/parent relationship.
Philip, Maybe girls and boys react differently to physical punishment? It should at least be examined. I know nothing about that as I am from an almost all female family, no uncles but plenty of aunts, no brothers, only sisters, only a mother, only daughters and granddaughters. I have got one son-in-law who I dearly love and I also loved my father though, for many reasons, he was not around much.
Excellent article, it’s so refreshing to hear someone prepared to come out against the outsourcing of parenting.
Children will have many friends; they’ll only ever have one mother and one father.
“Teens manage fine with flip phones. They aren’t weaker than you — unless you make them so.”
Why do kids need phones at all? I managed fine without one, and so did my whole generation, and every preceding generation. I didn’t get my first cell phone until I was twenty.
If my teenage children are representative of their whole generation, then the main reason they need phones is so they can ignore calls and messages from their parents.
Unless they need money or a lift!
Bingo!
I don’t disagree, but that’s largely to do to my age, about a decade older than the 40-ish you once mentioned.
The smart phone wasn’t invented until you were about 25; 35 for me. Though our great-grandparents “managed fine” without automobiles for much of their lives (mine at least, born in the 1870s and 1880s), that doesn’t say much about the value of cars, or lack thereof.
Back to qualified agreement: An actual child has no proper need for a so-called smartphone. A flip phone may be warranted for emergencies, or certain occasions, especially if briefly alone in a big city (“arrest the parents!!”) or in a wilderness environment (camp? lions & tigers & bears–oh my!). It could have minimal minutes and remain turned off most of the time. Perhaps adolescents of 14-16 could have computers in their pockets like most of us do, but with real limits and conditions. Never younger and as a revocable privilege, I’d say.
Agreed. Our 15 year old has a smartphone. He has had it for a year. Does he ‘need’ a phone? Well, where we live, he’d be pretty cut off from a lot of school life and activities if he didn’t. The school system uses a variety of apps to store and edit work – a lot of this is done through school computers, but other resources can be accessed via apps on his phone. The sports team he plays for keeps its schedule, its assignments and notes from the coach on an app. If he doesn’t have access to the app, he is reliant on someone who does in order to maintain contact with his team. He will also find if he goes out to eat with his friends, that a lot of the menus are now accessed via a QR code on the table rather than a paper menu. In terms of contacting his friends, well, they chat via apps.
So, does a teenager ‘need’ a phone? Well, maybe they do these days.
I’ve always felt the best argument for kids being introduced to tech is that it isn’t going away. For better or worse it is going to be a huge part of their whole lives (assuming the zombie apocalypse doesn’t happen). In my view they are probably better off in the long run learning early about the benefits and the risks of technology in a supported manner.
That’s not to say they should have unfettered access to their phones. Like anything else, I think kids benefit from boundaries, supervision and clearly expressed expectations. But people who think we can simply take all this technology off kids and revert to some kind of prelapsarian idyll are only kidding themselves.
“ people who think we can simply take all this technology off kids and revert to some kind of prelapsarian idyll are only kidding themselves.”
Yep, I read it and think “I look forward to seeing you enforce it!”.
I wish the climate activists would target all the internet servers. Surely they are using vast amounts of energy!
Exactly.
We just need to go back to notepads. Reading that is depressing! I hope this virtual world in the quest for optimization and productivity gets banned before my toddlers enter high school.
Good luck with that wish.
Our oldest two – 12 and 14 – have smartphones. But no browser, no YouTube. Only WhatsApp for messaging and both a time limit as well as downtime from evening til morning.
Well done.
OMG, QR codes for restaurant menus?!! Even seniors are getting left out of society if they’re not able to use a smartphone or laptop
When I was a kid, there were public pay-phones all around. I only needed to carry some dimes or quarters. But try to find a pay phone in America today — they are almost extinct. You can still find some in the UK, though, if you look a while. In an emergency, you need a cell phone nowadays.
They are getting rid of the few remaining payphones in Ireland this year.
I’ve found that increasingly, public and landline phones aren’t available. Many of my kid’s friends have no house phone, and instead each family member has a phone that goes where they go. And in fact their friends only seem to be able to be contacted by some messaging app or another.
They also seem to need them for their schoolwork, which I find particularly bad.
I didn’t get my first cell phone until I was 50(ish). I managed OK in spite of not having one.
The elephant in the room (to wheel out that hackneyed phrase) is feminism which has done plenty of deep and lasting damage to our social structures. Not that you’d get that impression from this lengthy book review: woman discusses ideas put forward by another woman on how nurturing and over-feminine parenting is undermining our children’s development.
Note that masculinity and men are still kept at arm’s length with ideas such as: “making peace with the symbolic Father” and “an authoritative ‘no’ by the symbolic Father”.
What might this symbolic Father actually look like? My guess would be institutions dominated by women taking on authoritative (yet still nurturing) quasi-masculine attitudes. Actual men are just too toxic in a culture where feminism is now a major component of the established order.
I’ve upvoted, though I think you are being a little hard on the author.
And to some extent these are unintended consequences of feminism. Precisely the kind of behaviours that now get lauded – excessive emotionality, for example – were things that earlier feminists saw either as inaccurate stereotypes, or as socially produced limits on women.
I’m one of those earlier feminists and I despise excessive emotionality – always have, always will. I’ve noticed that women who display this character trait often have feelings that are shallow and don’t even go skin-deep, I call it emotional diarrhoea. Earlier feminists like me felt it was important to show we could stand on our own two feet and not be dependent on or beholden to anyone.
I think there’s a lot to be said for the stiff upper lip that used to be typical behaviour for Brits, but has now been disparaged in favour of hysteria.
Yes, I found feminists of your generation excessively puritanical at times, and liable to form self reinforcing cliques – but that aside it was easy to see where they were coming from. There was a spirit of let’s go out there and show the world we are equal to men. Perhaps it was more combative than necessary, but a lot of men got it.
But it’s given birth to some pretty frightful offspring. More self entitled than self reliant – and as you note, shallow, immature women actually being lauded for what is simply narcissism.
Feminism and family law. So obvious for 40 plus years. It is the self colonisation of the west.
Yes, self-colonization. When successful, colonization destroys the cultural history of a society and replaces the old language with a foreign one in order to replace traditional thinking with the new, imposed attitudes. We still speak American English here but the language has morphed. America has colonized itself and I think feminism is a big part of it. That, and the movement against historical traditions of authority, which are of course linked to the so-called patriarchy. Robert Bly wrote about this in The Sibling Society some years back. And the process has propagated itself from America to the rest of the industrial world. What a mess.
Masculine flaws are still seen as flaws, most masculine virtues are now also seen as flaws. Feminine virtues are still seen as virtues, most feminine flaws are now also seen as virtues.
Not a great environment for fathers, symbolic or otherwise.
The Times today ran an article describing how the Labour Party plans to “educate” school boys about “toxic masculinity”.
All boys are automatically assumed to be guilty and need reeducating because they are boys.
If that doesn’t scare parents I don’t know what will.
I’m going to drew flak for saying it, but the biggest worry with the Labour Party is ideological capture by feminists, not ideological capture by the trans lobby. The majority of Labour MPs are women, pretty much all of them feminists. Can Starmer control them? I’ll probably vote Labour, and certainly not Tory – but I worry that instead of dealing with real issues the Labour Party gets dragged off into more of this nonsense.
You seem not to realize that the infiltration of the T into the LGB “community” was enacted mostly by misogynistic trans-women (especially prominant once gayness was finally ligitimized in Western culture and that train had reached its station… only to blast past the last stop and go completely off the rails!), though your other points are salient. It’s a bloody mess that needs to get addressed, or the Western culture will truly crumble (if it’s not too late). Unfortunately, the misogynistic aspects in a culture help create the toxic femininity, which can tend to bring out the actual widespread toxic masculinity. Let’s get off this stupid see-saw merry-go-round and walk on solid ground, please!
Really? Are any female MP’s not feminists? If not why not?
Exactly!
Good luck with that.
David, consider voting for one of the newer parties, the SDP (more left) or Reform (more right).
Boyhood has been turned into a mental disease. I am so disgusted with the culture at large… I can barely stand it.
In the scools the muslim boys will just continue to ignore all this BS and continue to get all the anglo girls by acting like real men.
This is my experience of teaching classes filled predominantly with muslim boys. They care less than nothing for Western feminist values and, in all honesty, they seem a lot happier for it.
Of course, they do that’s the whole point!
It certainly won’t hurt them to know about this. Domestic violence is rampant.
Until we can find some good things about masculinity, boys will continue to flounder. We cannot reflexively condemn masculinity as toxic without finding the intrinsic good. It leaves young men no where to go but fascism which will celebrate the worst of masculine impulses.
Women are enjoying getting their revenge on men and celebrating tearing them apart at every opportunity.
They don’t seem to realise (or care) about just how badly it’s going to end for them.
When young men are no longer guided by morality or social constraints they will be running in wild packs.
If women think their not safe now, just wait.
Delinquency is where it leads.
Oh it’ll be a lot worse than that.
Ahhh social and emotional aspects of learning or SEAL. Despite not being mandatory, it was welcomed into the British school curriculum with zeal. There was a white paper written about it that made it clear, it would lead to increased narcissism in young people who would spend so long looking inside themselves, it would hurt to think of anyone else. It said that the children who would benefit, were likely to pay no attention to it and the children that didn’t need it would , and be ruined by it.
I think the white paper nailed it.
i also believe that a lot of parents are lazy and think that as long as they buy their kids stuff, they too can give all their attention to their phones rather than their kids. By this, I mean that kids are largely raising themselves and these parents have zero involvement until their 12 year olds are hanging out till 5am with some shady dealer/traffiker and suddenly the penny drops.
This is a great point: “they too can give all their attention to their phones rather than their kids.” We pay a lot of attention to whether or not children and teenagers ought to have phones, but maybe we should focus more on getting parents to put theirs away first. Partly because it helps you to focus on the child or children themselves, but also because it sets a good standard of phone usage for them.
This is something I am working on myself.
One thing I have noticed working with looked after children is how many just want someone to listen to them, not even the big stuff but the mundane. If you give them some attention to talk at you about what interests them, they tend to be more inclined to listen to you later, as they acknowledge that you have time for them. You care enough to listen. It’s not always easy, shared interests help. I struggle with inane gossip and reality tv shows.
I once worked with children in the care system. I observed that they seemed to have the most productive relationships with those who weren’t paid to look after them, but were adults in routine humdrum jobs such as cleaners and gardeners. I think it must have given them some inkling of what normal life was all about.
Sometimes it borders on the bizarre. Recently I saw a woman scrolling through baby pictures on Instagram (presumably) while totally ignoring her own child who was desperately trying to get her attention. WTF.
There was Korean couple a few years ago that allowed their own child to die from neglect because they were spending all their time on some virtual ‘baby’.
That’s a huge generalization! But if parents aren’t mentally healthy themselves they certainly won’t be able to raise mentally healthy kids.
Family Law and feminism. The self colonisation of the west.
Yes but surely we can’t blame the parents, society or ourselves. It’s all TikTok’s fault! Well maybe. But our kids didn’t buy those phones themselves. https://open.substack.com/pub/lowstatus/p/phoney-war?r=evzeq&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
“In her view, the first course of action is to remove the factors obviously making adolescents’ lives worse: the therapy-speak, the climate alarmism, . . .”
The fact that climate alarmism is listed as something to be removed shows the profoundly anti-science nature of the author’s thinking. That she feels qualified to disagree with 99%+ of the world’s scientists on climate shows a degree of conspiratorial thinking which is really quite alarming.
Even if climate alarmism is justified (Hint: it isn’t), children should not be made to feel fearful about it. Crossing the road is dangerous but we manage to teach children how to do it safely without making them too afraid to go out.
Are you one of the 0.1% of climate scientists who don’t believe that it’s real and serious? Or are you just another saloon bar person who thinks they know the answer without doing any of the work?
I’m genuinely curious about what influenced your opinion, and how you came to have such confidence in it.
Note that the term “alarmism” does not equate to pretending that there is no such thing as potentially catastrophic climate change that has an anthropogenic dimension. It might intersect with that kind of “denialism”, but not always.
Panic rarely leads to a sustained and wholesome large-scale response. I wish fewer people would listen to either the ostriches (“I like it warm, and it’s cold here this morning”) or the doomsayers (“it’s too late already, but transform your habits to delay the climatic apocalypse”).
That’s a perfectly sensible response, I don’t think that anyone is making children “Too afraid to go out”. But it’s surely the job of a parent to introduce kids to scientific ideas, and that should include climate change because it’s the children who’ll have to bear the brunt of it (in our case, floods and fires -even, heaven forbid, switching off the gulf stream).
Climate change is with us, but there are groups on the extreme climate change panic who are as far away from the science as individuals who say climate change does not exist. Often these are in the more campaigning arms who are reading the 99.9% possibilities as the most likely cases (eg framing outcomes from RCP8.5 for dramatic effect and fund raising – scare people into action). Alarmism is the over-egging of the pudding. We have no evidence of a gulf stream switching off, just theoretical calculations that it might be possible. Climate scientists find a lot of things are possible, that doesn’t make them likely. Good science is read with a sceptical eye.
I think a great many children and adolescents are being affected by the constant talk about horrific problems they can do nothing about.
A parent’s job to introduce kids to science? Sure, absolutely…as in teaching them something of VERY elementary chemistry, physics, biology, botany, zoology, astronomy, mathematics, etc.
Once they get a little older, then the particularly astute parent might go on to overview the scientific method, meaning teaching children the importance of careful observation coupled with an uncompromising scepticism. (because cognitive assumptions can distort the interpretation of the observation). They can then proceed to a review of scientific inquiry including hypothesis creation through inductive reasoning, and how all that might be tested through experiments and rigorous statistical analysis.
And before they leave the home forever, those same parents might also add that science is never done. That what is felt to be certain now must be continually tested & questioned because we nothing in this world is ever absolutely certain forever.
And if, what they learn after all that, is to read with significant skepticism what passes for ‘fact’ in social media…or is proclaimed as truth by political talking heads at Davos….well then the parents have done one heck of a great job.
Strongly disagree. The theory of anthropogenic climate warming, the alarmist details (cities inundated, people dropping dead from the heat, etc) and especially the primacy of CO2 as a cause are just that, theories. Not facts.
These grim predictions, plus those of the Trumpian end of democracy, and now the looming wars with China and Russia must (theoretically!) be having a profound negative affect on our kids.
May I ask you about your qualifications for expressing a view about climate change?
London would have already been inundated if it were not for the Thames barrier. That has to be shut increasingly often as sea levels gradually rise. At some point we’ll need a bigger one, at heaven knows what cost. And the Thames is the only river in the UK that has a barrier.
I appreciate that it’s become mandatory for anyone on the right of politics to be opposed to science. That seems to me to be rather dangerous in a world where making a living depends increasingly on science-based industries.
Sea level rise in London (Tower Pier, 1929-2013, NOAA) is significantly less than in NY harbor (the Battery, 1856-2023, same). But London was built on a flood plane. It’s been a known problem since before the Romans. The Thames Barrier was built to deal with that natural and predictable flooding, after it was decided (before climate warming was an issue) that the Barrier would be cheaper than raising the banks.
It is undeniably cool. As you said they’ve used it some 200 times since it came on line in ’82(?)! Lots of cool videos on YouTube.
Wouldn’t it be better to tell the kids about that?
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/
May I ask you about your qualifications for civil discourse?
She’s not saying that climate change is not happening. Only that there is no good reason to alarm your children about it. They can’t do anything about it, so alarming them can only create anxiety.
I think if people are being alarmed by climate change predictions then it’s the kids who are doing the alarming, as it were…
I don’t think that’s quite true. She uses the phrase, ‘removing….climate alarmism’ from the list of factors making adolescents’ lives worse. Alarmism is defined as excessive or exaggerated alarm of a real or imagined threat.’ From that we can probably safely infer that the author feels the current and ongoing climate hysteria to be overblown. I would agree.
No, not in the least.
Alarmism is defined as excessive or exaggerated alarm about a real or imagined threat…what might in other contexts be called ‘Chicken Littleism’ (running about yelling that the sky is falling when, in reality, it was but an acorn which bounced on Chicken Little’s head!). The author simply characterizes our current and ongoing climate hysteria as being overblown.
She does not dismiss climate change. No one does, actually. Climate change, as a matter of fact, is a constant. In the ongoing history of the planet, climates change regularly. What she ‘dismisses’ is the blind panic coupled with calls for the immediate deconstruction of carbon-generation systems (like 80% of the power grid…or 99% of vehicular traffic)….because of dubious outputs spit out by dubious climate models, built on small mounds of dubious data.
This is not ‘profoundly anti-science’, this is anti-hysteria & significantly pro-science, as in demonstrating the willingness to question & test so-called consensus ‘facts’.
As for the ‘99% of all scientists’ (a chicken-little kind of number if ever there was one)…heck 99% of all scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth…99% of all doctors used to recommend Lucky Strikes….99% used to believe in Phlogiston, Cold Fusion, Phrenology, the 4 Basic Humors in the body, Bloodletting, and Electroshock therapy. Group Think, as the saying goes, don’t impress me much. Neither does the shrill assertion that anyone that doesn’t agree with “X” must be ‘profoundly anti-science’ and a conspirator to boot.
Let me assure you. No one, quite literally, no one is profoundly anti-science. No one. But there are, however, many people who continue to ask questions of those who insist they have all the answers.
When ‘Emotions are God’–‘You have hurt me’, ‘That offends me’–we can use those feelings of ‘vulnerability’ and ‘trauma’ to deflect ourselves and others from seeing the truth about ourselves or others. Empathy weaponized. Truth about ourselves can often be painful. But truth should come before any emotional affect it produces. When emotion is prioritized over truth, we block honest, truthful self-reflection. That is good therapy, seeing truth (as difficult as that may be at all levels) as the aim in life and in therapy. Therapy, too, has its Shadowy, destructive side, metastatically growing beyond its reach and limits.
Interestingly, I was a bullied child and the bullying didn’t stop until I realised that I could mock myself better than the bullies. In acknowledging and accepting my flaws I took power away from the bullies. Self acceptance is part of resilience.
Ditto. In high school I desperately wanted to belong to the “cool kids” but I was much too independent to fit in. I didn’t realize it until I was in college. The “cool girls” in my small dorm virtually ignored me until the night I returned from a date with my boyfriend with an engagement ring on my finger. Then they swarmed about me, twittering with excitement. It was at that exact moment that I found out I didn’t really care about them. Independence suited just fine.
I punched him on the nose. Equally effective!
You learned to be self-deprecating as a way to deflect the bullying. You developed a coping mechanism that served you well. However, it sounds like you believed what you were being bullied for, which may not have been true, and certainly may not have been a “flaw”.
There is too little emphasis on personal responsibility in today’s world, including therapy. And that includes emotional accountability, which means being an emotionally mature person with a thick enough skin to successfully engage in the rough and tumble adult world. Being emotionally responsible enables a person to appropriately evaluate situations and then respond effectively, rather than having an ineffective response, such as bursting into tears if called by the wrong name.
It’s best to always keep in mind several simple, mundane truths:
1. It’s not always about you.
2. The world doesn’t revolve around you.
3. Life is unfair.
4. Most people don’t care because they’re too involved in their lives and not yours.
Thinking about how to deal with a situation is usually more successful than having an emotional outburst. Despite the increasing prevalence of people who automatically express what they feel, I still see thoughtful, level headed persons receiving higher regard than the “babies.” After all, most adults would rather deal with adults than emotionally fragile faux children.
I’d only add that sometimes we need to purge emotion (through crying, for example, or talking ourselves out) before we are able to move on to dealing with things. Totally different to emotion as a means to get your own way. Even Achilles cried.
It’s reassuring that you have mentioned appropriate emotional expression. There’s a time and place for everything. That’s called emotional maturity, not manipulation.
We all cry, but there’s a difference between crying on receiving some corrective input on poor job performance versus
being fired, especially unfairly.
One example from my past worklife is a clear example of this. On one job I worked, the project manager had hired his absolutely incompetent idiot of an ex-wife instead of paying her alimony (this was against University policy – if revealed to the University Administration they both would have been fired). If she didn’t get her way, right then and there, she would bawl like an infant needing a diaper change and feeding. The entire office would grind to a halt until her needs were met. This went on for about eighteen months until her ex’s political enemies (and he had many) were able to run him off by threatening to turn him in for many policy violations, including nepotism.
Her new boss was her ex’s worst enemy. She was allowed to work out her contract but had to behave professionally and have a competent job performance. She couldn’t do any of the jobs in our study (none of the other employees were forced to correct her mistakes anymore), so she simply was removed from each successive task until there was nothing left. She just sat around web surfing while receiving a higher salary than her co-workers. We were all relieved when she left.
It was very difficult to work while her ex was in charge, since she might disturb you in the middle of a job on a tight deadline and demand you had to stop in the middle of a of it to help her with a simple Excel spreadsheet. If you didn’t, she’d burst into tears which is even more disrupting when you have to concentrate on the task at hand.
She was the manipulative one. I controlled myself while my supervisor went to help her. That way I could get the the very crucial task completed on time so we all had jobs and pay.
One other point, if you cry, or become angry, or have other types of outburst behavior, you won’t be taken seriously when there’s a real reason to have an outburst, such as dealing with a bully or losing your beloved pet.
We all need to get along which means some self control from everyone from time to time. It’s better to be civil and work things out rather than fighting all the time. It’s encouraging that the Unherd readers understand this.
Oh dear Paula, that’s more than we needed to know, and pointless. The woman had mental health issues that are not relevant to the topic of child-rearing.
Yes, but some readers (not you) need examples. Plus, we all had to suffer while her ex-husband was there. At some point, no one cared about her issues. We wanted to do our jobs, not hers. Her worst behavior disappeared with her new, non-enabling boss. We could all get our work done.
Ignore Clare – she’s become addicted to silly put downs and “trite” is her latest word. She’s becoming a charmless bore I’m afraid, which is a shame. On occasion she has made some reasonable comments in the past. Maybe one of her cats died.
Thanks.
I think Clare does make very good points from time to time, but she didn’t work with this person and her enabling ex for 18 months. A lot of this person’s drama was squelched once she had a no-nonsense boss who wanted an opportunity to legally fire her.
One important part of child development is learning how to get along with people. This has a lot of different manifestations, from dealing with bullies to working as part of a team. This means learning emotional control. It is the antithesis of “Your feelings always come first and to hell with everyone else” all the time (there’s a time for that, but that’s dealing with pushy controlling people). The “Me” decades still have too much influence in modern US life in many areas, including therapy for children and adults. It makes one yearn for the cooperative spirit of the past.
No, It was the dog.
Talk about not learning your lesson!
But agree, I’m not talking about public histrionics or manipulative crying. Sometimes things get too much for the best of us, and crying can help.
I agree. I still secretly cry almost seven years after my husband’s death. Other widows I have met did the same thing.
Crocodile tears, on the other hand, aren’t acceptable!
“Purge emotion” yikes!!
Unsolicited trite advice.
In therapy you learn to say”I feel hurt” not “You hurt me” Therefore you take responsibility for your feelings, not project them onto others. That’s such a big difference and important for everyone to learn.
Contemporary, ‘pop-therapy’, simply reflects how the decadent West now governs itself, politically and culturally, with a failure to sufficiently challenge what are deemed ‘the oppressed’ (whether these are, for example, Islamists, third-world values), as to do so might smack of ‘oppressor’ behaviour. Similarly, this guilt-ridden Western sensibility, embraces ‘degrowth’/ deindustrialisation and a levelling down to ensure the luxury beliefs, virtue-signalling of ‘equality of outcomes’. Nietsche appears to have at least got this prediction correct about the downward, depraved and self-destructive destination of the judeo-christian mindset.
There is a UK state school, almost Victorian in its rules and boundary setting. It draws from a multi ethnic community and has about 25% of its kids on free school meals. Not only are its academic results completely amazing, but the kids are happy, well adjusted and going to be highly productive members of British society.
Obviously it has made many enemies amongst progressives and has been taken to court (still awaiting the outcome) by a Muslim using Legal Aid:
https://unherd.com/newsroom/britains-strictest-head-teacher-my-case-to-ban-prayer-in-school/
I was hoping someone would mention the Michaela School.
Yes, ban prayer in school for god’s sake!
Brilliant and true, and fits in nicely with the fact that fathers (usually of the tie-wearing, white variety) are routinely portrayed in entertainment and commercials as hapless fools in need of control and guidance from their wives and even their preternaturally wise children/