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Will Jews return to the Ghetto? The Jewish Century is rapidly fading

A girl in Munich places a candle in solidarity with Israel (CHRISTOF STACHE/AFP via Getty Images)

A girl in Munich places a candle in solidarity with Israel (CHRISTOF STACHE/AFP via Getty Images)


October 31, 2023   5 mins

It is a warm Monday morning in Rome, and the city’s ancient ghetto resembles an armed camp. As carabinieri line the streets, a cloud of melancholy hangs in the air: not only had more than 1,400 Jews recently been slaughtered in Israel, but the date — October 16 — marks the anniversary of its residents forced evacuation to the concentration camps. History, it seems, is repeating itself.

Despite the unconscionable parallels, however, and regardless of the prevalence of Kosher restaurants and carciofi alla giudia, little in the ghetto is as it was. Few Jews, amid Italy’s population of less than 50,000, live there. The same can be said of almost every European city. After the Holocaust, most Jews, as historian Paul Johnson observed, “accepted oppression and second-class status” outside of the ghetto in return for being left alone.

To some extent, life in America was more welcoming; as far back as 1790, George Washington, writing to the Touro Synagogue in Rhode Island, went beyond upholding tolerance to embracing full citizenship as part of “their inherent natural rights”. Today, however, that credo is being called into question. Here, as in Europe, the great period of Jewish influence and efflorescence that started a century ago may be peaking. The result, once dismissed as inconceivable, is that the allure of a more separate existence, a ghetto of the spirit, may start to grow.

For now, the golden era of Jewish achievement still twinkles, but only just. Jews remain inordinately celebrated in the arts and sciences; both the Tony Award in 2023 and the Pulitzer for fiction the year before went to writers covering, somewhat obsessively, Jewish themes. The list of Jewish Nobel prize winners has also expanded since the War, constituting well over 20% of the total.

Yet such achievements cannot mask the fact that the Jewish Century is rapidly fading. On the surface, Jewish life, both inside and outside the diaspora, may seem unassailable. But just as terrorists were able to breach Israel’s supposedly impenetrable defences, the forces of antisemitism have penetrated Western society, as young, educated progressives, including a few Jews, make common cause with Hamas and its allies.

Continuing demographic retreat isn’t helping. After the war’s end, 3.8 million European Jews remained; today, there are barely 1.5 million. Even the last great redoubts of Jewish life are threatened by assimilation and the pernicious new hybrid that joins Leftist and Islamist hatred. Nearly 50,000 Jews have left France since 2000, mostly for Israel, the United States and Canada. With no likely source of new immigration, it’s difficult to envision how the country’s Jewish population will ever grow again. Likewise Eastern Europe, once the centre of the Jewish world with its 8 million Jews, is home to fewer than 400,000 today. Indeed, the only place there seems to be growth is among the orthodox — a community that may not live in official ghettos, but is still in inwardly focused and defensively minded areas.

What is driving this retreat? In political terms, at least, many Jews across the West feel abandoned, particularly by their traditional allies on the Left. In France, for instance, the Left’s most prominent figure, Jean Luc Melenchon, not only openly supports Hamas but has emphasised the role of Jews in the killing of Christ. In Germany, anti-Israel protesters have been targeting Jewish homes, firebombing synagogues and, according to German intelligence officers, calling for a second Kristallnacht.

This antisemitic revival may be less developed in America, but places that were once friendly to Jews, such as Brooklyn, now suffer anti-Israel riots not too different from those in Europe’s banlieues. As in Europe, it’s the Left that cheers on these demonstrations. Almost all the US representatives who voted against or refused to take a stand supporting Israel came from the Left, and it was at a rally organised by the Democratic Socialists of America that a speaker crowed about how Hamas had killed some “hipsters” partying the desert. None of this is surprising, of course. Progressive groups such as Black Lives Matter have a long history of support for Hamas, while their charter labels Israel’s treatment of the West Bank as “genocide” and “apartheid”.

Now, one could easily place the blame for such bigotry on the universities that provided the oxygen for these ideas to grow. For years, students felt it was acceptable to ban kosher food and promote anti-Israel views, often with the help of generous funding from Muslim-majority states such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Few who had been on campus in recent years were surprised when numerous groups at elite Ivy schools such as Harvard openly celebrated Hamas’s pogrom, or when one Cornell professor called it “exhilarating”.

But it would be unfair to blame all this on Arab machinations; the problem clearly runs deeper. Ten days after Hamas’s attack, for instance, a poll found that 51% of adults under 35 disapproved of the United States’ sending weapons and military support to Israel — a steep shift from the 28% of Americans who oppose such a policy. In the minds of many young Americans, there is, at best, a moral equivalency between Hamas and Israel.

And as protecting Jews increasingly becomes less of a priority, the very nature of Jewish identity will evolve with it. We could, for instance, see a Jewish future that is mostly Israeli, much as the French sociologist Georges Friedman foresaw a half century ago in The End of the Jewish People. He predicted that, over time, most diaspora Jews would melt into their host populations, Judaism largely merging with the Israeli identity, with the exception of scattered pockets of orthodox believers. Indeed, already close to a majority of all Jewish children live in Israel which, could become, by 2030, the home to a majority of all Jews for the first time since early antiquity.

Outside of Israel, though, as diaspora populations reduce in size or suffer greater harassment, we could also see the revival of a new kind of Jewish ghetto that is inward-looking and focused largely on survival in a harsh environment. The rise of orthodox populations could hasten this movement, with a greater emphasis on community-based security and welfare. It wouldn’t necessarily be as miserably constrained as Rome’s enclave, but it would provide protection from a largely hostile, or indifferent, population.

Yet there may be a more favourable, more inspiring scenario, as Jews rally to Israel’s cause and seek to defend their college-age offspring. It is not inconceivable that the rise of antisemitism, on campuses and the streets, may convince some that being Jewish is about more than indulging in family lore or traditional foods. Instead, they may embrace an identity worth preserving, even as the centre of Jewish life moves to the eastern Mediterranean. After all, the survival of the diaspora has always been built around Martin Buber’s notion of creating “a vocation of uniqueness”.

How this manifests itself will always vary, though it inevitably means standing up to antisemites on both Left and Right. We can already see how this looks in the US, as a number of Jewish donors line up to withdraw their funding from Ivy colleges. Many pro-Hamas squad members are now also having trouble raising money, while progressive opposition to President Biden’s support for Israel could further separate the Hamas crowd from the mainstream of the Democratic Party.

Ultimately, however, Jewish survival, particularly in the diaspora, will always depend on the next generation, both Jews and Gentiles alike. Here, we can find some encouragement in the increase in support for Israel, even among young people and Democrats, following Hamas’s attack. Today, nearly 70% support Israel during this crisis — a striking reversal of a long-term trend that has seen Americans, particularly on the Left, sympathise more with the Palestinian cause.

Yet the battle is far from won and, as Israel’s armed response grows, this trend could itself peak. Even current surveys find more support for Hamas among younger people, at least until they turn 25. The only positive here is that their worldview largely stems from ignorance: most people under 25 think Israel, not Hamas, has controlled Gaza over the past decade.

In such a world, the challenge for the Jewish community, particularly the new generation, is to convince ourselves, as well as our Gentile neighbours, that the continued Jewish presence is a blessing not just to itself, but to the many countries we still hope to call home. This is the fight that awaits — and restoring the ghetto is not the answer.


Joel Kotkin is the Hobbs Presidential Fellow in Urban Futures at Chapman University and author, most recently, of The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class (Encounter)

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james elliott
james elliott
6 months ago

“many Jews across the West feel abandoned, particularly by their traditional allies on the Left”

Is this a joke?

The Jews have few, if any, friends on the Left.

The people who support Israel and the Jewish diaspora are all Right-leaning folk.

Embracing the anti-Semitic Left would be suicide for the Jews.

Many people seem to be in denial that the worst ever oppressors of the Jews – the Bolsheviks and their b**tard heirs on one hand and the National Socialists on the other all had one thing in common – they were *Socialists*.

There are no Right wing Socialists.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

The Bolsheviks I’ll give you, but there was very little that was left wing about the other tribe you mention irrespective of what they called themselves

james elliott
james elliott
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

The National Socialists believed, basically, in an all-powerful State that would make all decisions and dictate all aspects of individuals’ lives.

The Right wing believes in Capitalism, private property, personal responsibility and individual freedom.

Universal Basic Income, vaccine mandates, banned speech, compelled speech, cancellation of parental rights, visceral opposition to the rights of the Jews to exist in their own state…… you can slot in almost any Left wing policy there and you will find it would not be out of place in National Socialist ideology.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

There’s a big difference between fascism and communism. Hitlers Germany was the former, Stalins Soviet Union was the latter. The only real similarity is the fact they were both incredibly murderous regimes

Ardath Blauvelt
Ardath Blauvelt
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

And that’s not enough? What impulse leads to that end? Absolute power. The power to murder any outliers. Period.

Jake Prior
Jake Prior
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

How about they were both dictatorships?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

The only significant difference between Nazi fascism and communism is that fascism is about the volk and communism is about class
As Goebbels said when Germany invaded the USSR, now we get to show them what real socialism is

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Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

Those on the left have always been reluctant to accept that the German National Socialist Workers Party was indeed a genuine socialist party for understandable reasons. The dark heart of socialism is that it is a minority authoritarian and totalitarian system imposed on populations ultimately by force and intolerant of dissent.

National Socialism in Germany just as Bolshevism in Russia were both intent on eliminating competing strands of socialism both physically and ideologically. Both have sought to demonise their ideological opponents. Of course the German Nationalistic component of the German National Socialist Party made it easier for competing socialist movements to demonise them among those who were not German but the fact remains that the leaders and many of the followers of National Socialism in other countries came from the socialist and left.wing parties – Mussolini and Oswald Mosley being but two examples. All the National Socialist movements were collectivist and totalitarian in nature rather than individualistic and classically liberal which is Socialism’s antithesis.

You can only make differing and unequal people “equal” by some form of state force. This is the essence of socialism.

Coming back to the theme of the article the reason that socialists of all stripes tend to anti-semitism is because, as the statistics of Nobel prize-winners shows Jews have been an ethnic grouping that contains a disproportionate number of the sort of unequal tall poppies that socialistic systems want to eliminate. It is Jews and Asians in the US that have been disproportionately impacted by the socialism of identity politics that seeks to enforce a racialist quota on Universities in the US. Ironically many Jews support such socialistic policies to show that they are not a minority to be feared but are just regular guys – as indeed most of them are as the disproportionate number of outstanding Jews are outnumbered by the average ones.

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Excellent post.
“I am not, and never have been, a man of the right. My position was on the left and is now in the centre of politics.” – Oswald Mosley 1968
It was Stalin and his propagandists that perpetuated the myth that fascism and communism were the polar opposites. Eventually anything that was anti-Soviet became fascism in the minds of the Russians and their apologists in the West. This evolved to fascism being synonymous with being anti-Russian and explains why Putin, with no sense of irony, calls the Ukrainians “fascists” today.

El Uro
El Uro
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Find 10 differences
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jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Too clever by half – my lizard brain is always popping that out in my mind,even though my social conditioning tells my higher brain to quell that thought. Since Oct 7th I’ve felt much less inclined to.

Jake Prior
Jake Prior
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

Fair comment, but I think the UBI is commonly encouraged by the right wing.

Dark Horse
Dark Horse
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

I’m left wing and apart from universal basic income I agree with everything else you have written.
I am very much on the side of the Israeli people in this fight which is primarily against Hamas – the people of Gaza are just bloody unlucky but after all these years of Hamas brutality and tyranny they might welcome their destruction.
I am in favour of UBI because I see no alternative to the coming wave of automation – there is no point in employing a human workforce when an automated one is much more efficient and profitable – so it is UBI or leave the people to starve.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Dark Horse

Maybe a year of UBI then it will be the second option employed.

N Satori
N Satori
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

You need to update your information stock if you are intent on lecturing us. The self-serving myth peddled by the Left since the postwar years, that Nazism is the diametric opposite of socialism, is very far from the truth.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
6 months ago
Reply to  N Satori

The HORSESHOE principal/theory.

Avro Lanc
Avro Lanc
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

They weren’t National Capitalists now were they Billy boy?

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

This is simply wrong.
Anyone with any knowledge of what fascism was understands that it was fundamentally a socialist movement for it requires state control of the economy. It started in Italy with Mussolini, openly a socialist and very much a left winger, but also a progressive embraced by capitals across Europe and even in the USA, where they made a film about him and he exchanged correspondence with Roosevelt. The point about fascism was to the liberal ways of the 19th Century (now what people would call libertarianism) and its focus on the individual and to embrace collectivism. It was necessarily anti-capitalist. Mussolini’s fascists believed in the collective strength of the state, hence the name “fasces” taken from Latin, and the slide towards totalitarianism whereby the state controlled every aspect of the citizens’ lives supposedly for the betterment of the state and its people. It was revolutionary and nationalist but not anti-Semitic.
The Nazis’ full name is the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Its origins and grass roots support lay among the lower and lower middle class Germans and it competed with Bolshevism for that support. It too rejected liberalism and capitalism. The Nazis’ 25 Point Plan is very clear about this and if you were to read it out today, most leftists and even some centrists would agree with at least a dozen points. Among other things, it contains demands to nationalise industries, end child labour, provide old age pensions, land reform; it demands state control over the economy and that’s what makes them socialist. It was also extremely nationalist and that is what distinguishes the National Socialists from the Bolsheviks (who were international socialists). It was the extreme nationalism, and anti-Semitism, that causes people to describe the Nazis as right wing but in everything else, they were decidedly left wing. Given Stalin, Mao, Castro etc were all staunchly nationalist, the difference between Nazism and Marxist-Leninism is wafer thin.
The anti-capitalist point is important because the Nazis associated capitalism, speculation, banking and the Wall Street Crash with Jews. That legacy continues today across the West.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

You seem to be fighting a loosing battle on these pages. Still to get voted down like this shows that you are doing something right

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago

All message boards eventually end up going the same way unfortunately. You start with reasoned debate with various viewpoints, but over time one line of thinking becomes dominant, the other gets tired of trying get their point across amid the insults and leaves, ending up with an echo chamber full of partisans repeating their opinions back at themselves

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

You get voted down because you spout arrant nonsense. That is all.

Stewart Cazier
Stewart Cazier
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

I don’t know whether that was ironic or not, but it did illustrate Billy Bob’s hypothesis perfectly.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I am not sure where you started a reasoned debate. I can only see that you have made an assertion without supporting evidence that has been refuted in some detail by various commentators.

If you want a reasoned debate you need to come back with a reasoned critique of he points made against your bald assertion. That is what debate involves. If you are tired of trying to get your point across for some reason then there seems little point in posting your assertions in the first place. You merely leave the impression that like the “no debate” woke you haven’t got much in support of your claim and prefer to pretend superior knowledge without testing it in action.

P N
P N
6 months ago

He gets voted down because he talks arrant nonsense. It is the height of arrogance to assume that others’ disdain is evidence that he is “doing something right.” It is typical of lefties who think they know better.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

What makes you assume I’m a lefty? The fact you throw this accusation out as an insult despite knowing nothing of my political leanings or voting history would suggest that I was correct, for some posters on here it’s tribalism they want rather than debate.

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Are you one of those tribal ‘Tories’ who are to the left of Blair but somehow don’t think they’re a “lefty”?

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago

I don’t think he is fighting any battle. He has made an assertion that has been challenged with evidence that undermines his assertion and he has declined to debate the issue.

Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

I don’t know if this is the place for historic point scoring. It is a fact that historically antisemitism was more often found on the right – social antisemitism in the UK and US, more aggressive forms in France and Germany. Conventional German Conservatives were as antisemitic as most Nazis, and were instrumental in putting Hitler in power. The tragedy captured in this article is that many non Zionist Jews long felt there was no need for a Jewish state because there was already a safe refuge for them in America. And, largely but not exclusively in America, the Jewish community make a vastly disproportionate scientific and cultural contribution from which the rest of us all continue to benefit. We’ll all be impoverished by the loss that contribution.

Linda M Brown
Linda M Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

The west certainly won’t benefit from scientific or cultural contributions if `progressives’ keep pushing for diversity rather than competence hires.

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

“It is a fact that historically antisemitism was more often found on the right…”
That is not a fact at all. You have just made it up.
Socialism’s anti-capitalist nature is important because the Nazis, the Bolsheviks and their ilk associated capitalism, speculation, banking and the Wall Street Crash with Jews. That legacy continues today across the West.

Theodore Stegers
Theodore Stegers
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

“Commerce is the universal solvent of prejudice” Sir Alan Walters. The nonsense of ESG tempers commerce and helps make antisemitism palatable politically and commercially.
I believe Alan Walters was one of the key architects of the Uniform Business Rate that so transformed the London Borough of Hackney where I have my studio.

Mitchito Ritter
Mitchito Ritter
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

“Socialism’s anti-capitalist nature is important because the Nazis, the Bolsheviks and their ilk associated capitalism, speculation, banking and the Wall Street Crash with Jews. That legacy continues today across the West.”
However, the Communists under Stalin and Mao never internalized such useful scape-goating of a dangerous if useful ethno-religious class or caste within revolutionary and expansionist Russia and modernity-seeking China. Stalin and Mao led Cults of Personality. Only Cold War weaponization and the massive financing of black budgets by Washington, including fronting via Big Government contracts to such Private academics used by Washington and known in OSS and CIA circles as THE MIGHTY WURLITZER, who spread propagandistically anti-centralization and Neo-Conservative platforms such as “SHRINK BIG GOVERRNMENT” among so-called Free Marketeers as Washington’s early Czar of Free Market Propaganda Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys came to be known. (Along with Friedman’s far more rigorous and less propagandistically pliable economist wife at the U. of Chicago, Dr. Rose (as in hailing from City of Roses, Portland, Oregon) nee Director Friedman, with a brother named Aaron Director who maintained deep Labor Movement roots along with warm and cordial academic relations with Milton Friedman in the U.S. midwest and northwest).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Director
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Friedman
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Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

The Jews have made a disproportionate scientific and cultural contribution to most societies they have inhabited and it is not point scoring to say that they have also faced discrimination from such societies that had nothing to do with socialism. As cosmopolitans they suffered discrimination as successful outsiders. Antisemitism does not have a single root cause on either the right or left or in societies where such categories are meaningless.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

But a lot of the scientific advances and intellectual thinking and all that we never asked for, dont want and isn’t even part of our lives,we troglodytes that is,even with a handy handi,we shouldn’t have to be grateful for stuff we never asked for like the atom bomb or the contraceptive pill. It’s not always a blessing to be too clever by half.

Mitchito Ritter
Mitchito Ritter
6 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

I mostly agree with your point, SW. However, your history should begin with the Feudal Ages when Germanic feudal lords were the most progressive in terms of instituting Social Security via pensions and allowing Jews to both take German family names and to be registered as German citizens.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/germany-virtual-jewish-history-tour
Such progressive historical courses also tend to violate social contracts as balanced feudal authority and power with their need to invest in armed forces to take and hold conquest and growth of feudal domains. This dynamic spread Anti-Jewish backlash abetted by Russian Anti-Jewish Conspiracy Theories baiting pogroms to fortify Czarist forces contending with early progressive anti-Czarist movements that did lead to socio-economic revolution.
Today such AstroTurf managed grass roots movements are known by their organizing modus operandi (M.O.) as “REPLACEMENT THEORY” (search under University of Virginia at Charlottesville Tiki Torch Riots Spread Replacement Theory via Alt Right Wing mobs chantsslogans… https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/nazis-racism-charlottesville/536928/
The backlash among the Germans trapped in serfdom, as an otherwise insular foreign language fluent and often polyglot professional class of use to the German feudal lords seeking trade and linguistic ties along with business administrative skills for liaison among the nascent Mediterranean feudal fiefdoms that Max Weber the great German sociologist studied, wrote and lectured on.
The recognizable trope of the MAGA (Elite manipulation of nostalgia and pre-Nationalist sentiment didn’t begin in Trump-era USA of early 21st Century) was idealized by German feudal serfs and landless classes without access to acquiring the skills that Hebrew and other non-Germanic language groups brought via early Ottoman Era and trans Mediterranean trade with Native North Africans, especially along the pre-Ottoman Turkish era Barbary Coast.
U.S. President and former anti-monarchist colonial agitator, Thomas Jefferson directed the first trans-oceanic naval war against the Barbary Privateers off the Algerian coast to defend colonial and early U.S. naval trade that was with distressing frequency losing its cargo to Barbary Privateer pirates and skilled merchant marine crews (mostly Anglo-Saxon) to North African enslavement.
As to Fascism being linked to anti-Jewishness, one needs to break the veil of my own ethnic diaspora’s silence and post-NAZI taboos on the subject of early elite ethno-Jewish aspirations within nascent Fascistic Movements. See the early Mussolini as National Socialist into development of early Fascist movement modeling that was in some ways led by the paper trails of privileged wealthy Italian Jews such as Mussolini’s mistress Madame Sarfatti and the Italian Mediterranean trade financier Ettore Ovazza.
There is way more academically on Jewish Fascist ideologue’s published in Hebrew than has as yet been translated or pursued in the English language socio-historical literature. Wiki has some informative English translation from Hebrew academic and journalistic studies under search phrases like Early Jewish Fascists Sarfatti Ovazza. The link to the Menachem Begin and Dan “Little Prince” Meridor transformation of early left-wing Labor coalition establishment of the modern Zionist state in the late 1970’s from Social (if highly institutionally corruption-prone) Democracy to the Sheer Grift of the transformed Oligarchic Right Wing Nationalist Bibi Netanyahu managed era has been well-explained in perhaps the last of the Public Interest Israeli Hebrew language investigative journalistic series in the largely privatized and dumbed down Israeli News Media firmament.
MAGASH HA’KESEF\THE SILVER PLATTER is now posted to You Tube by NIF or New Israel Fund with English sub-titles provided for a terrific course in how to transform a Social Democracy (albeit institutionally corrupt) by the last of the idealistically Zionist diaspora Public Interest groups (based in Australia, not a leader of the Hard Right Finance-led Jewish Zionist Daddy Warbucks diaspora) and aired in late 2015 to record viewing and mass protests across religious, political, linguistic and social class divides against the Netanyahu and Likud Party entrenched leaders. Resulting in the first of Israel’s WAG THE DOG wars v. HAMAS (note like Washington, IDF tends to go to war against nation-states that do not possess any Air Force or even anti-air sophisticated defense systems such as those sold by Russia).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la5l1GBgTlU&t=275s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwFVzad-sEc&t=90s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rS2IRt8lpg&t=1653s
Each of the 3 one-hour segments is narrated by an Anti-Corruption Whistle Blower from a different point on the Israeli political spectrum. So the first narrator is Free Market Libertarian editor\publisher of Israel’s leading Financial publication named in English THE MARKER, Guy Rolnick. Like the other two Whistle Blowers from the Left Wing and Right Wing end of the political spectrum, namely Bibi Netanyahu appointed Israeli Accountant General Yaron Zelekha and long-time anti-institutional corruption activist scholar at Haifa University Dani Gottwein or Guttwein.
The young Zelekha was drawn from Likud ranks and expected not to rock any Private Interest boatloads of Likud and further Right Wing supporters.
Unfortunately for Bibi and the Oligarchs, the sharp young Yaron Zelekha prioritized cleaning up institutional corruption and privileging the Public Interest over the Private Interests of Israel’s oligarchical class of financiers. The young Israeli Accountant General was rather swiftly turned on by the commercial and privatized Israeli Broadcast and Press News Media platforms and run out of government on the new rail system.
Like the Left Wing grassroots Whistle Blower of Segment 3, Dani Gottwein a Professor of the Jewish People at Haifa University they share a critique of the primacy of institutional corruption as a bigger threat to the Jewish State of Israel than any military force (except for Israel’s own Daddy Warbucks privateers hawking Surveillance Capitalist National Security gear to despots of the region and world like the Saudi Royal family who are threatened far more from movements within than from far off Central Asian Iran, where the youth will likely bring down their own ‘revolutionary Shia’a Islam theocracy’.
De-regulated Market Forces have already brought Israel low via the non-organized military forces of HAMAS (which in Hebrew translates as “Violence” while in Arabic translates as “Zeal, strength andor bravery….”). Nothing in either language about theocracy as a political system lacking any sort of politics and being historically rife with Feudal Era levels of corruption and self-dealing within blood family lines.
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Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

Christian Europe oppressed the Jews for centuries – were the men who massacred thousands of Jews en route to the Crusades also socialists?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Sshhhh! You’ll have the “Christian” knee-jerk down-vote mob after you!

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Heh

Simon Tavanyar
Simon Tavanyar
6 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Knee jerk mob? No one likes being stereotyped, do they. See how easily that happened?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
6 months ago
Reply to  Simon Tavanyar

There will be plenty of Christians who aren’t knee-jerk down-voters. You may even be one of them, but there’s more than enough evidence to support the assertion that a knee-jerk mob exists when Christianity is questioned.. and it’s in evidence right here in response to JB’s comment!
See how easily that happened?

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Is it the Christian knee-jerk reaction, or that of some right -wing denialist/revisionists who consider ‘National Socialists’ to be a mere subset of socialism? There is a reason why many Germans wanted to overthrow Hitler and link-up with the Allies against the USSR; and why America spent the next 40 years supporting right-wing governments (eg Chile, Argentina, Greece, etc) against communist/socialists.

B Moore
B Moore
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

There is a reason why many Germans wanted to overthrow Hitler and link-up with the Allies against the USSR

Yes because they recognised Hitler and the leading Nazis were raving lunatics – it was nothing to do with him being “right wing” or otherwise. Stauffenberg and his co conspirators were heroes and should be more recognised for their courage.
Massive welfare programs and state control of industry were hallmarks of the Nazis – classic socialist policies. Even the Volkswagen concept was.
People who put “right wing” or “left wing” as being by the default bad guys have a very poor understanding of history, as great evil has come from both “wings”. Karl Marx for example was famously anti Semitic.
The antisemitism of the Nazis was very common throughout Europe at the time, regardless of it’s politics. They just took it to it’s logical conclusion, and people from the occupied territories in Europe and the Soviet Union eagerly assisted them in many cases. Outliers like Anne Frank’s shelterers were the exception rather than the rule.

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Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  B Moore

There are two broadly accepted scales here – authoritarianism to liberalism; and right-wing to left-wing (a third is religious to humanist). Your points speak to the former, whilst ignoring the latter. In effect, all authoritarian leaderships resemble one another – the people are submissive to and serving the group (nation, race, religion, political party etc), which is absolutely represented by a small leadership elite; whilst in liberal societies the situation is reversed – the government is there to serve the people in (nearly) all their variety.
The second scale is represented by the ‘Right’ on one side (conserving and reinstating traditional power structures – hence the third Reich, the Conservative Party, and Fascism – ‘a bundle of sticks’ – guilds – a strong emphasis on social hierarchies); and the ‘Left’ (discovering and implementing new, progressive, modern ways, with a powerful claim (or prentence) to be highly democratic, with a strong emphasis on equality between all peoples globally – as reflected in the nomenclature – ‘German Democratic Republic or the United Soviet Socialist Republics. The clues are in the words.
The first scale is generally viewed as linear, the second scale, as horseshoe shaped. They overlay one another.
In truth, neither the right-wing, nor the left can honestly disavow itself from the evils carried out by their extreme versions. If you are a liberal of either political wing, you will necesarily be fairly centrist; if you are an authoritarian you must necesarily be of the right or left kind.

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

There are at least a dozen comments here explaining clearly how National Socialism is indeed a subset of socialism. That you choose to ignore the explanations but are incapable of offering any counter argument speaks volumes about you and your fellow travellers. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, everyone rise might be right and that you’re wrong? I doubt it.

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

So, based on these superior uptick numbers, and my failure to humbly submit to them, you feel the need to declare victory, and that it is warranted to lie – ‘[you] are incapable of offering any counter argument’, cast aspersions and insults.

The connections between, what is almost universally referred to as, left and right wing forms of authoritarianism have long been noted – the horseshoe theory. As has the ease with which many have gone from socialist to fascist, and vice versa. This does not make them ‘two versions of socialism’ (as American right-winger activists like to claim); anymore than it renders them two versions of fascism (as some left-wingers are wont to say). The point I am asserting is not mine, but a broadly settled position; the point your are making is generally limited to polemical newsources such as Fox, Breitbart and the Daily Mail. Unherd commentary has often drifted into that territory, though rarely if ever into the left-wing type – hence the upticks. There is an easy and a difficult way to get upticks here – make a great argument; or simply toss in some right-wing cliches about the evils of anyone and anything left.

From a Professor of History at the US Army War College:
“Did you know that “Nazi” is short for “National Socialist”? That means that Hitler and his henchmen were all socialists. Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, too. That means Bernie Sanders and his supporters are the same as Nazis … doesn’t it?
Anyone who has been on political Twitter in the past decade has seen a version of this syllogism. Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables.
There is only one problem: This argument is untrue. Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left.” etc…..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/
Or from a reputable UK factchecking site (set up by a UK Conservative)
The issue of whether the Nazis were socialists isn’t a straightforward one, due to how the Nazi party developed and grew its base of support. But the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense.”
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
So the question is – Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe you’re wrong?

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Are you also going to deny Fascismo developed from a tendency in Italian marxism? No doubt a reputable UK Conservative ‘factchecker’ and history professor can be found to affirm that the fascisti might have briefly flirted with socialism but were in reality thuggish, conservative anti-intellectuals who wanted to revive the Roman empire or some such (which is the “broadly settled position”).
Getting leftwingers to unwittingly laud Nazi policies and denounce the utterances of Marx and Trotsky was one of the small pleasures of university. The more thoughtful among them were even impressed by the often ‘progressive’ nature of the Nazi regime. But hey, the settled position is that they weren’t socialists because any variety of socialism that another socialist dislikes isn’t socialism. So that’s settled 🙂

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  Albert McGloan

It is settled Albert – it’s been so for the entire period. As I , and the others noted there are crossovers between fascism and socialism but overall – the consensus among historians is that the Nazis, and Hitler in particular, were not socialists in any meaningful sense. The attempts to say otherwise are a recent ‘innovation’ in thought (sophistry lite) that, oh look, stemmed from contemporary right-wing polemicists – Fox news, Beitbart, etc, whom I trust no more than The Guardian, and Socialist Worker – and neither should you. Have your opinion if you like, but you’ll have to contend with the tonnage of support on the nazi ≠ socialism mside, and the fluff on the other. Just google it – or if that is too dilettantte for you, read the reputable books, or study at the reputable institutions – no matter their political position. I took care to post links to the right -leaning ones, but hey-ho.

Albert McGloan
Albert McGloan
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Gosh, Fox News and Breitbart have surreptitiously leaked into my consciousness, feeding me Russian disinformation from the Alt Right pipeline. I’ll consult a factchecker to set me straight.
If, for any reason, you want to know how fascismo developed from a tendency within Italian marxism you might care to read Young Mussolini and the Intellectual Origins of Fascism (University of California Press, 1979). It was republished last year, interestingly.
Presumably the early 20th C. progressives and socialists who spoke positively of the fascists and the Nazis did so because they weren’t really leftwingers but low-information rednecks duped by Breitbart (on behalf of Russia).
May I ask if you believe Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory? That’s what reputable institutions and books say nowadays. I’d love to hear my very leftwing tutor from the early 2000s affirm that: she being the person who introduced me to the hitherto unfamiliar concept of Cultural Marxism. It’s almost as if what is true and untrue can radically change to suit the political climate …

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
6 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Some Christians are Jewish; others know that Christianity is Jewish!

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Antisemitism has many motives that have nothing to do with modern left/right classifications.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I should check the quotes of Henry Kissinger on the subject

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago

Perhaps you could be more specific. The man was a quote machine. Look up his quotes and you get pages of the stuff:

“It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true.” 

“The state is a fragile organization, and the statesman does not have the moral right to risk its survival on ethical restraint.”

“It is one of history’s ironies that Communism, advertised as a classless society, tended to breed a privileged class of feudal proportions.” 

Any of these relevant?

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Racism!

Linda M Brown
Linda M Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

In feudalism those at the top have all of the power and wealth in return (in theory) for stability, aid and protection of those below. In socialism (in practice & reality) it seems the leaders acquire all the power & wealth, and the hoi polloi subsist on crumbs.
there doesn’t seem to be much difference between the two.
While there was antisemitism prior to the Crusades, it solidified with the beginning of the Crusades. Despite the Catholic Church’s objections, and Bishops & Christians putting themselves physically in harms way of the mobs, the feeling seems to have been if the crusaders were fighting Christ’s enemies in the Holy Land, they should fight Christ’s enemies’ (the Jews) in Europe. Greed and jealousy undoubtedly played a part.
It isn’t until (really misnamed) Pope Innocent III that the Church’s attitude towards Jews (and
Heretics’) hardened : “the Jews, by their own guilt,” to be “consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord” and doomed to be “wanderers… upon the earth until their faces are filled with shame and they seek the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,” It wasn’t until 1965 and the 2nd Vatican Council that this was repudiated by the Church. It should be noted that people were not supposed to harm, or forcibly convert Jews to Christianity. Even so, let’s hope that Innocent III is roasting in hell.

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jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Linda M Brown

In a feudal society like in medieval Europe the top dogs own all the land,because they say they do,and they have the personal aggression and military strength to enforce their assertion and the church they protect has literate people who can write them charters to say they own the land that they can show in law courts. The people who live on the land don’t own it but are expected to work it and harvest it to generate the wealth to maintain the Lord in his power. So,a stratum of Society that belongs to neither of these is disturbingly subversive to both even when those people are nice and lovely. The top dogs resent that the strangers are as wealthy as them yet own no land and do no artisan craft. By what black magic do they have all this money. They pay all the taxes and fines and dues required of them yet stay discreetly wealthy. It’s annoying. The common people who work the land find these other people disturbing too for much the same reasons but different perspective. After WW2 in the shiny new world of equality I recall from my 1960s childhood it seemed that old atavistic fear and prejudice had been swept away. But it was just under the surface. It was in all our lizard brains. It’s there now and coming to the surface. So,be afraid,all of us be afraid.

Linda M Brown
Linda M Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

.Feudalism is a social contract where power and wealth was held by a few in exchange for rights, obligations and service such as stability, aid and protection.
Socialism (the way it it’s practiced in the real world) is a social contract where power and wealth is held by a few who have large bank accounts in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands, while the masses are concerned about having electricity, food and toilet paper.
sounds pretty similar

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Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  Linda M Brown

The current neoliberal model of capitalism is fast heading towards the same end result, an elite getting richer while living standards drop for the rest

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

What do you mean by neoliberal? Do you mean free market? Or do you mean corporatist? How can you be so sure that any fall in living standards is being caused by market failure not policy failure? Are living standards actually falling? Have you checked the data from the World Bank about rising wealth and falling poverty across the planet?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

Since the neoliberal reforms of the 80’s, inequality has widened, homeownership rates have fallen (both my parents and grandparents were able to buy a family home and raise families of 6 & 7 respectively on a single average wage, try doing that these days), we have full time workers in need of government assistance simply to keep the wolves from the door, workers rights and job security have been diluted (gig economy), rent and utilities cost an ever increasing percentage of the weekly wage, government and private debt are at record highs.
Sounds like falling living standards to me personally, though like the communists I’m sure you’ll say it’s not the system that’s failing it’s just that it hasn’t been tried properly yet. If we just deregulate that little bit more, and give extra to those at the top I’m sure that wealth will trickle down as promised next time

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

I was in Fortnum & Masons on Wednesday and the place was rammed. Spending the leccy money?

Simon Denis
Simon Denis
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

Very true. But in response to the author’s musings, I should say that all of us will be turning or returning to ghettoes very shortly. Why? Because of the wilful disintegration of western society by our neo-Marxist elite. At the same time as denigrating the home culture, they have abruptly imported millions of people, often from very hostile societies, into western heartlands. In the name of “equity” they have then imposed double standards, of which all of us are aware: the Muslim can denounce the counter-culture, the counter-culture can denounce the Christian and the Christian is arrested. Faced with such systemic injustice, itself predicated upon phantom wrongs and skewed history, people will develop the usual strategies of survival – hunkering down amongst their own. Gated “communities” will become routine; no-go areas are already with us – in spite of all the left’s disingenuous huffing and puffing when this was pointed out by Trump; and blind justice is even now in the process of being replaced by “group rights” arranged hierarchically – think “protected characteristics”. The unfolding disaster is comprehensive and deadly; it has been wilfully imposed by an alliance of malicious and mystical Utopians and is supported by a crowd of cowardly fools under the immediate influence of their new, hard left masters. And no, this is not conspiracy theory; it is the snowball effect produced by a malicious ideology which gains and holds various points on the power structure before moving on to further conquest. It happened many times in the Reformation and aptly characterises the processes of corruption we are witnessing today.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  james elliott

Can we be clear about what has been going on Large parts of the Jewish media and academic establishment were heavily engaged in pushing BLM, CRT, white privilege and large scale immigration of non-whites to the West.
At the same time they were looking to differentiate themselves from the whites pleading a special case that while we may look white we are not really white and we really are victims too. This was not harmless politicking. It was divisive, vicious, demonising and violent. Are we expected to forget this.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago

It was Jew trouble makers who fomented the Russian revolution.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
6 months ago

What I find disturbing is that Jews in places like New York and London are being told not to venture into certain parts of the city because it might be dangerous.

JP Martin
JP Martin
6 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Without seeking to minimise the very real problem of antisemitism, I would point out that there are many places in my own country – the land of my ancestors – where I’m not safe because of my origins. Of course, an identifiably Jewish person would be at much higher risk. This situation is intolerable and should not be accepted.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
6 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

In the USA Today and since the 60’s, if you are white you do not want to find yourself in black urban neighborhoods. Think of Wolf’s ‘Vanity of the Bonfires’. Think Harlem, NY. Think the South side of Chicago. Think random gunshots and the higher probability of that occurring in such areas, especially at night.

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Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
6 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Cathy – it’s “Bonfire of the Vanities”.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
6 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

White Britons have had “no-go” areas to deal with in many towns and cities across the UK for several decades now.

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Really? Where are these areas?

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Is that a no-go question? The question that dare not be answered?

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

Quite a few in London

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago

Still unnamed. I’ve lived in London for 30 years, and have never come across no-go areas. I’m open to new information.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Dominic A

I’ve never felt that until recently but it’s not the black people of various ethnic origins who give off that vibe in my city,it’s the sullen groups of East European youth congregating on the busy shopping st. All talking in their own language, all looking grim and sinister,like axe murderers,or the great grandsons of Nazis,they were ok when it was one or two but now it’s a critical mass. OK,they don’t DO anything but there is something ill natured and sullen about them,something that the first Caribbean emigrants never had said of them I think. They got slated for being happy go lucky and liking to party.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

There are certain parts of my hometown where it has been unsafe for me to venture for many years because I am white

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
6 months ago

Hardly, the US will defend Israel to the death and let’s face it, everyone has a problem with generations Y and Z. They spawned the delights of Islamic State and their favourite fantastical belief system has left to the chemical blocking of puberty in teenagers if not their surgical ‘gender transition’

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Tyler Durden

He who pays the piper calls the tune. We know whose got all the money.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
6 months ago

No mention about how many American Jews have abandoned their religion by becoming ‘secular’ or non-observant. Prof. Dershowitz has been sounding the alarm on this for decades. American Jews also voted largely for the Democrat Party, which promotes secularism, atheism and even Satanism & Islam, while denigrating Christians & their beliefs – a party now littered with Jew-haters and which is overseeing a rise of antisemitism in its ranks. So how will Jews be ‘ghettoized’ if they don’t identify with being Jewish?
As a Congregationalist Protestant married to a Jew and having raised my children to be Jewish – I find myself more alarmed than they are at times by antisemitism on the Left. However, for the first time my kids are noting the horrific violence perpetrated by Hamas…and I hope this is opening their eyes.

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
6 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

History repeats itself again and again. This is old news for anyone who has studied the Old Testament.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

All those instructions from The Almighty to totally eliminate all the previous land holders in The Promised Land,even the babies.
Looks like ancient ideas are being put into practice again.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

I must have missed that powerful voting bloc of Satanists

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Well they got Joe Biden in.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

I’ve got a feeling you can’t NOT be Jewish if you are. I don’t think it’s a choice.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
6 months ago
Reply to  jane baker

You are right, Jane. No-one can change their race. There are many atheist Jews and messianic Jews – the are still ethnically Jews!

R Wright
R Wright
6 months ago

“He predicted that, over time, most diaspora Jews would melt into their host populations, Judaism largely merging with the Israeli identity, with the exception of scattered pockets of orthodox believers. Indeed, already close to a majority of all Jewish children live in Israel which, could become, by 2030, the home to a majority of all Jews for the first time since early antiquity.”

Isn’t that the entire point of having your own nation-state? I don’t see how this is an inherent negative.

Laura Creighton
Laura Creighton
6 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

There is no shortage of Jews who still believe that not being a nation-state is one of the reasons why the Jews have been able to survive as a people, when so many of their ancient contemporaries are no more. Being an outsider, indeed, the _eternal_ outsider, they believe is an essential part of Jewishness. Even for those who disagree about this, there is an understandable worry about “putting all of your eggs in one basket”. There are people today who think that the destruction of Israel via atomic weapons is a desirable outcome — death to all the Jews and martyrdom for all the Palestinians involved.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
6 months ago

Regardless of what happens, as in the past, there will always be a remnant that survives to continue the faith.
https://www.biblestudyproject.org/bible-study-library/israel/the-faithful-remnant-of-israel/

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

I agree. I’ve read numerous articles and comments lamenting the segregation and ghettos that have occurred in various countries such as the Pakistani Muslim areas like Bradford and the French council estates full of Africans. They are rightly seen as bad things with the inhabitants leading alien lives to the rest of the country. The fact Jewish enclaves are disappearing would imply they’re assimilated within the nation state, which is a good thing and something that other ghettos should aspire to

Dominic A
Dominic A
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

There are ten or so countries in the Middle-East and North Africa where the Jewish Ghettos are now just buildings and graveyards. I visited one a few months ago (Marrakech in Morocco). I don’t think many Jews were assimilated; rather these areas were voluntarily and involuntarily ethically cleansed.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

But if you have to steal someone else’s land and live in their house and they keep demanding it back

ian thurston
ian thurston
6 months ago

In regard to James Eliot’s remark the Nazi’s were not socialists! Rather, they fought running street battles with the socialists and communists who were their primary political opponents in pre-war Germany and against whom they (successfully) offered themselves to a weak German old order as a bulwark. When in power they worked hand in glove with the German capitalist class, banned trade unions, and proscribed, murdered and imprisoned members of left wing parties. The more “left wing” sections of their own party they also murdered. Internationally the Nazi’s were the sworn enemies of what they termed ‘Jewish Bolshevism”. There have always been decent conservative and liberal supporters of Jewish people and Israel but in historic terms, as the author says, the main source of support was on a political left, which, as he also rightly says, makes the current stance of sections of nominally “left” progressivist opinion yet more shocking

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  ian thurston

This is wrong.
The Nazis were very much socialist for they were anti-capitalists who believed in collectivism and ended up controlling the means of production (the very definition of socialism). They were literally nationalist socialists. The clue is not just in the name “National Socialist”, but also “fascism” from the Latin “fasces”. That they fought running battles with Bolsheviks (international socialists) says nothing about their competing ideologies, for they were competing for support among the working and lower middle classes, the German workers.
The anti-capitalist point is important because the Nazis associated capitalism, speculation, banking and the Wall Street Crash with Jews. That legacy continues today across the West
The idea that fascism is the opposite of communism was dreamt up by Stalin. You’re helping spread Soviet propaganda with your comment. Stalin also banned trade unions. Only capitalist economies need trade unions because only in capitalist economies is there any tension between the workers and the capitalists.

Emre S
Emre S
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

It may be worth expanding this. They come from a progressive/socialist and anti-religious or anti-clerical tradition, but in time develop ideas around the preservation and promotion of the national identity.
Similarly, Fascism’s original creator Mussolini is at start a distinguished socialist coming from a socialist family who name him after socialist heroes of their day. He evolves his progressive ideas from socialism towards an effectively run state taking inspiration from another progressive example that’s the Napoleonic France.

Arthur G
Arthur G
6 months ago
Reply to  ian thurston

The concept of “left” and “right” have no meaning before the French Revolution, and do nothing to explain persecution of Jews in dark age, medieval, or early modern Europe. The divisions were dynastic and (after 1521) religious.
It was mostly local factors that dictated who oppressed the Jews and who protected them. Usually the oppressors were people who borrowed money from Jewish banks and didn’t want to pay it back, or people who wanted to steal the property of Jews.
The fact that the Nazis fought Socialists and Communists doesn’t mean they weren’t socialist too. Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, and Social Revolutionaries all fought bitter battles in Russia despite all being Socialist/Communist.

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Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Arthur G

Can’t see why you have been voted down

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Arthur G

People who thrive and have even modest wealth in difficult times,even if discreet usually gain the suspicion and envy of the less capable,more stupid. It’s an age old phenomena.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  ian thurston

I think when it comes to fascism and communism it is a case of the Judean Popular Front and the Judean Liberation Organisation or Mensheviks and Bolsheviks

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John Williams
John Williams
6 months ago

I worry that withdrawing sponsorship from universities that allow Anti-Semitic mobs to congregate is that the oil rich Arab nations will simply pour cash into them and further dominate the west.

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Linda M Brown
Linda M Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  John Williams

At least they(those sponsors withdrawing their money) won’t be paying for the privilege of having death threats hurled in their direction

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago

The Jews’ claim to Israel is at best tenuous and would be absurd were it not for the false legitimacy lent it by religion.

There were about 25000 Jews in what is now Israel at the end of the 19th century; the vast majority of the current population have no direct ancestry in that part of the world.

It is religion itself that poisons the well; the Hasidic Jews I encounter in London give every impression that they consider themselves above the native population and are kind of contaminating themselves in their dealings with it.

They are not the only ones though – Islam also has this problem.

The difference is the Jews aren’t attempting to dictate terms.

The Muslims on the other hand have no such qualms and are quite happy to issue death threats and make absurd demands if they feel butthurt about someone’s attitude to their ridiculous and backward religious beliefs.

Laura Creighton
Laura Creighton
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Depends on what you mean by “that part of the world”. If you mean the Middle East and Arab North Africa, then, after 850,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands you end up with a slight majority of Israelis with recent direct ancestry in that part of the world. The notion that “they should just go back where they came from” will not fly — the Arab world is not having them back no matter what, even in the unlikely event they could be persuaded to return.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago

I’m referring specifically to historical
claims to biblical Israel using the Torah as precedent and justification.

The expulsion of Jews from other parts of the Middle East mirrors I think the persecution of other minorities since the collapse of imperial authority and the growth of Islamism, Sayid Qutb and so on – most noticeably the persecution of Christians.

Jane Anderson
Jane Anderson
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

My understanding is that along with the 1.5 million Palestinian Israeli citizens the largest Jewish population are actually Mizrahi and Sephardi in origin – hence they are from that wider region.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

In 1948, there were at least 400,000 Jews in the area referred to as Palestine.

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Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

Which is precisely my point – in c.1880 there were 25000!

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Jeff,
That simply isn’t true. A sizeable majority of all Jews in Israel have direct regional ancestry. And, thanks to intermarrying between those of middle eastern and european heritage, that majority proportion is only going to grow.
But, regardless, if you think Jewish claims to Israel are tenuous, then Arab claims on “Palestine” are considerably less well-attested.
For all that you might see placards claiming Israelis are “Colonisers”, it is historically untrue.
Outside of this specific debate, Muslim scholars love nothing more than celebrating the Islamic conquests of centuries past, in Central Asia all the way to the gates of Vienna, across North Africa to Spain, through India and, yes, across the Holy Land. The indigenous population, the Jews, were conquered, most were driven out or killed and their lands stolen.
Marchers “for Palestine” are not demonstrating against colonialists, they’re marching in support of the colonisers. Muslims settled Israel, forcing their laws, their language and their customs on the surviving indigenous population. That’s the very definition of colonialism – and one that Muslim scholars were more than happy to celebrate until it became expedient to, instead, revel in victimhood.
Jewish claims to the land predate the birth of Mohammed by 1800 years.
Arabs had no settlements in what is now the disputed land until 741AD, when the conquered Jerusalem and claimed it as their own.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Which is precisely my point – 741ad is an awfully long time ago.
By that logic the Celts are perfectly within their rights to tell the English to return to Denmark and the Indians to tell the Pakistanis to go back to Afghanistan.
It is only the religious nature of the claim that lends it any legitimacy.

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

What you seem to overlook – or perhaps wilfully ignore – is that (quite apart from the fact that Jews have a better attested claim than Arabs) the Israelis tried to give land to the Arabs in return for peace on multiple occasons – each time rebuffed by those who wish them driven to extinction.
Palestinians were offered a two-state solution in 1936, 1947, 1967, 2000 and 2008 – AND TURNED IT DOWN.
Israel agreed to abide by a two state solution on each of those occasions .. Whereas the Arab League came to negotiations with their famous “Three No’s” :
 “No peace with Israel.    No recognition of Israel.    No negotiations with Israel”. 
Their successors in the shape of the Muslim Brotherhood, the PLO and Fatah were no more conciliatory.
Honestly, through the last 100 years who do you think has been the impediment to peace? Jews who want a homeland, or their neighbours who wished to see all Jews exterminated?
There really should be no moral equivalence here, none.
If Gaza is, as pro-Palestinians like to claim, an open-air prison then ask yourself, “Who are the Jailers”?
Gaza, with its port on the Mediterranean, could have easily become a commercial hub and a thriving tourist destination. An outcome that would have served the interests of Israelis and Palestinians alike. There was nothing to stop Palestinians choosing peace and prosperity – except that, when given the option at elections, they chose Hamas, a terror organisation that wanted death and destruction of Jews above all other considerations.

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Eleanor Barlow
Eleanor Barlow
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Yes. The Palestinians could have made peace with Israel when Israel had PMs that were more moderate than Netanyahu. Their intransigence and refusal to compromise led directly to Netanyahu’s long period in power. I don’t know if it was ideology or sheer stupidity that led Palestinians to vote for Hamas.

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
6 months ago
Reply to  Eleanor Barlow

True. I don’t suggest that Israel has been entirely blameless, there have been over-zealous settlers and leaders who have provoked the tension, for various reasons, over the decades.
But at bottom one can differentiate the “sides” by admitting the simple fact that if Hamas had laid down their weapons, there could have been peace. If Israelis laid down their weapons, there would be a genocide. 

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jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

If the Palestinians had taken up the first offer they could have worked on it and negotiated intelligently over subsequent years but they run on emotion and that keeps you poor.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Eleanor Barlow

Stupidity BUT if you like living in a simple dwelling and getting your water from a well every day that’s no excuse for some clever b*****d to move in claiming you are under using the land while he is going to build a group of sky high steel and glass towers and create a millions of dollars revenue stream. That’s not a valid or just argument.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

I hate Islamism as much as anyone, but disagree with the idea that the Jews have a better attested claim than anybody else.
All of your points, as valid as they are, take that claim as a given, and my original point was that I find a biblical claim that harks back to a kingdom that hasn’t existed since Roman times highly questionable.

As for Palestinians choosing peace and prosperity- how can they do this when the Israeli govt forcibly evicts them from their homes and bulldozes their olive groves to make way for ‘settlers’?

I’m not wilfully ignoring anything but if your only recourse is to insults I really can’t be a*sed.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

You have put it exactly how I see it.
Both sides annoy me for opposite reasons. And it does matter to me. Because it affects my life,even my death maybe. So people who say to me,don’t think about it dear,it’s nothing to do with us,it’s a long way off,it’s not our business. I don’t agree. Anyway seeing as Phoenicia n merchants could sail to Cornwall or Galway in less than a week for trade,it’s not far off and since we now have a critical mass of Muslim population here who could attain political power if they made a concerted effort it’s not far off.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Just because the Palestinians are unbelievably shit stupid doesn’t justify or make OK what the Jews are doing. If someone tortures the Village Idiot who no one likes they are still committing a criminal act.

Guillermo Torres
Guillermo Torres
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Ok, what gives a people a legitimate claim to land in your view? My guess is whatever your answer, the Israelis have it.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago

What. A Bronze Age Holy Book. I own your house. It says so in The Bible. I’m on my way to.claim it.

El Uro
El Uro
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Objection! There is no Celts now

Linda M Brown
Linda M Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  El Uro

The Celts are still in the UK, they just intermarried with the Anglo Saxons; the indigenous population of the UK also has Irish and European DNA. And, despite BBC assertions to the contrary, no subSaharan DNA.

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

Thank you for elaborating. I wish I had the time to do so. The written record that is the Old Testament provides much of the details that most chose to ignore.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Well it certainly gives precise instructions on how to totally remove ALL the former occupants of the land,advice which is now being used,so no doubt God will be very pleased.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Paddy Taylor

People OWNED their houses,their farms,their olive groves,they had title deeds, charters,legal papers of all sorts. The first Jewish “settlers” bought land off Palestinian farmers and they did it legally by paying MONEY and acquiring legal title. It was only around the late 1930s and then after 1948 that the Jewish ” settlers” had the critical mass to just take land,force evictions etc. Bloody thieves.

P N
P N
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Most “Palestinians” are also immigrants from Syria. Bashar Assad suggested that once Israel had been destroyed, they return to Greater Syria.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  P N

You mean from about 18000 years ago. Like all of us Brits then.

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Robert Hochbaum
Robert Hochbaum
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

“It is religion itself that poisons the well”
I agree. I’d like to believe differently. I see tremendous benefits to religion. I’ve experienced them. But, if membership in a tribe means believing that only YOUR tribe consists of ‘God’s chosen people’ because it says so in The Book, or you believe that your tribe’s Prophet (peace be upon him…) wrote a book or two that is the be all/end all of God’s instructions (and there can be no other!) or your tribe believes that unless you ‘accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior’ you will burn for eternity in hell no matter how virtuous a life you’ve led, I don’t see room for accommodation of ‘the other’. Even religions that are not ‘of the book’ have beliefs and practices that wind up with terrible ‘othering’. You ate beef? Death to you! You’re a woman of ‘menstruating age’? Be gone! You’re not allowed in this temple! Now, it seems, especially here in America, the absence of belief in the historic religions is producing a belief in a new religion and it also comes with its own set of ‘we’re the REAL holy tribe’ beliefs. Maybe it is hard-wired into us.
Yes, there are ‘moderates’ in all of these tribes. But, it seems like when push comes to shove they all can go hard core into the deep roots of their beliefs and come up with reasons why it’s THEIR land, not yours. It’s THEIR holy temple, not yours. It’s THEIR sacred animal, not yours.
I don’t think any of these tribes really want to just live their lives and be left alone. They WANT to stand out. They want to wear their beliefs in the open to make it clear to everyone else that THEY are of the true tribe. They want people to see them as ‘the other’ – it makes them special in their God’s eyes, whichever God that is.
This is never going away.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago

I very much agree with you – I’m not anti-religion at all, although lack the ability to believe myself.
It’s faith’s ability to banish doubt and convince people that have the ‘truth’ that frightens me.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

To most Jews you are goy

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago

Oh dear

Guillermo Torres
Guillermo Torres
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Not sure how you’re defining direct ancestry…the vast majority of Israelis were born on that land–which by the way was won in a war, just like every other modern nation state.

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago

What war. WW2 ended in 1945
Kidnapping and torturing British Tommies isn’t war,it’s crime.

Guillermo Torres
Guillermo Torres
6 months ago
Reply to  Jeff Butcher

Just pointing out that your metaphor of well poisoning is a classic trope of Jewish persecution.

Jeff Butcher
Jeff Butcher
6 months ago

I saw what you did there GT! 😉

Ben
Ben
6 months ago

A significant omission from the article is the case of Hungary, where Jewish life flourishes. “Coincidentally” a country with no discernible migration from the third world and a very weak left…

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
6 months ago

It may be inaccurate “to blame all this on Arab machinations” but it’s not unfair.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
6 months ago

There are plenty of left wing people who deplore what the fascists Hamas have done, while also deploring the carpet bombing of Gaza. They alsop abhore the rise of tensions and attacks on jews in the UK. Seeing ex comrades or indeed gay people march with clear Hamas Supporters , is sickening.
In fact many of the above have left the organised far left, because of groups like the SWP(this is UK, I think the U.S has International Answer, etc), who now while tiny, harbour sex offenders, promote their many fronts, while totally ignore working class issues like housing and social security and priveleging mass migration, Israel/Palestine.
If they and the wider liberal left, continue to do this as a coming 2008 type crash is coming, this time I think working class who voted Brexit, etc, but lean left on economic issues NHS, etc, will look to a Sahra Wagenknecht type party that does defend their interests,Israel/Palestine, etc, will be right down their concerns, however horrendous

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Because now the left is right and vice versa.

Juan Manuel Pérez Porrúa
Juan Manuel Pérez Porrúa
6 months ago

An arms embargo to Israel would, for the United States, be a return to the policy under Presidents Truman and Eisenhower.
Yes, after recognizing Israel’s independence, President Truman nevertheless continued the United States’ policy of not permitting arms sales to any of the sides of the Middle East conflict, much like the neutral, non-interventionist position the United States maintained in the Spanish Civil War. The policy continued under President Dwight Eisenhower, but was reversed by President Kennedy. During that period, it was other countries, mostly France, that were Israel’s principal allies in the West.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
6 months ago

Who gave Israel the BOMB?

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
6 months ago

Who gave the USA the BOMB?

Nardo Flopsey
Nardo Flopsey
6 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Badabing!

Arthur G
Arthur G
6 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Enrico Fermi, Glenn Seaborg, and Ernest Lawrence.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
6 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

‘We’ did!

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Us I think

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
6 months ago

There has, since the nineteenth century, been a tension between Zionism and the assimilationist tendencies of much of the diaspora. I suspect the author is right in suggesting this tension will resolve itself with more and more Jews identifying with Israel and the rest effectively abandoning their Jewish identity. The turning point may have been when anti-semitism and anti-Zionism became conflated by first Israel and then the Left.

Linda M Brown
Linda M Brown
6 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

To the antisemites I don’t think it will matter if Jews abandon their Jewish identity. Many of the European Jews thought of themselves as European first and Jewish 2nd. They were still handed over to the Nazis to be exterminated. Nor did the conversion of your ancestors to Christianity count for anything, you still died.

Alex Carnegie
Alex Carnegie
6 months ago
Reply to  Linda M Brown

I agree. But, if antisemites are indifferent, many others would be greatly saddened by the disappearance of the distinctively Jewish strand from UK and American society. It has added much in many areas – not just in Nobel prizes – and, while the author may be right, it would still be greatly to be regretted.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
6 months ago
Reply to  Linda M Brown

I think more than 2 generations and you were OK

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
6 months ago

“…may convince some that being Jewish is about more than indulging in family lore or traditional foods.”
First, Jews themselves must be convinced of this. They are forgetting or ignoring the lessons of the Old Testament, which chronicles the very long history of the Jewish people going through exactly what Joel summarizes above. Centuries of being captive to others, followed by centuries of freedom, all dependent upon their level of obedience to God’s laws. It’s all there for us to read, written 2,000 years ago. But we chose to only focus on today’s news.

Doug Mccaully
Doug Mccaully
6 months ago

The occupied West Bank is an apartheid society, isn’t it?

William Amos
William Amos
6 months ago

“And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.”
1 Chronicles. 21
There is a numinous, ominous significance to the numbering of the people of Israel which any reader of the Hebrew Bible should know.
Population statistics, projections and demographic predictions. They are involvement in a very old act of ‘soothsaying’ that the Lord frowns upon.

Fafa Fafa
Fafa Fafa
6 months ago

Wow. Hats off to the many Jewish Nobel prize winners, truly a marvelous achievement, and we had to be reminded of it, naturally. Thank you.

So many questions, I only posit 2 here: am I reading too much into it, or the writer does suggest that is is a bad thing that France’s Jewish population is unlikely to grow again. Or that there is something unnatural about most Jewish people living in Israel?

Why?

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Rafi Stern
Rafi Stern
6 months ago
Reply to  Fafa Fafa

We should be welcome and safe to live wherever we please.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  Rafi Stern

So should the Palestinians

Stuart Bennett
Stuart Bennett
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Still unable to accept Jihadis want what they say they want?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  Stuart Bennett

Are you suggesting all Palestinians are Hamas?

jane baker
jane baker
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

If the likes of old Yahoo think like me then when The Yahoo states he is going to carefully and surgically eliminate Hamas,not the innocent bystanders just the deranged killers,he is actually saying he is going to kill everybody. Because as long as there are Palestinian wombs there are Hamas. So you actually seek out and destroy wombs. That’s if Yahoo and his crew have a devious evil mind like mine – and I think they do.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I understand where you’re coming from, but you don’t understand the Hamas mindset. It is distinctly alien to the Western mindset. Every deed is permitted, no matter how heinous, if it furthers the cause of Islam. It is impossible to do ‘round table’ negotiations with people who view suicidal killing sprees as a viable means to heavenly paradise.

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Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Hamas isn’t every Palestinian, although you wouldn’t know it from a majority of the comments. The last elections were held 17 years ago in Gaza, while a majority of Palestinians are under 18. Most had no part in putting them into power. Ironically the current Israeli establishment has more responsibility in Hamas current position as they supported them in an attempt to weaken the more moderate Palestinian groups

Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Opposition to antisemitism outside Israel (which is the subject of this article) should be expressed unconditionally, and not linked to anything, anywhere or anyone else.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
6 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

Indeed, even if Israel was the worst sort of oppressive state intent on genocide – which I don’t believe to be the case – Jews elsewhere should not be subject to anti-semitism simply because of they share the same religion as the majority of Israelis.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
6 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walsh

All antisemitism should be condemned, I’ve never said otherwise

Rafi Stern
Rafi Stern
6 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

They are welcome to live peacefully in the Jewish state, just like the 2.6 million Arabs who do live (relatively) peacefully in the state today. Jews in the UK and France aren’t fighting a Jihad against their host countries, so your analogy is bad.