I never could get on with Amis fils, not because I object in any way to amorous adventures as recorded by males; nor because I recoil from remembered adolescence – his line about the self looming large in those years rings terribly true. No, it’s the posturing intellectualism I dislike; the introduction of theory into the mind of someone in the very midst of action. This is far, far worse than mere self-consciousness. Frankly, it feels like a dreadful blend of cowardice – retreating behind all those polysyllables – and pretension. And it’s so horribly cold, too. It’s as if the characters are so alienated from their presence in the world, their embodied, sensational presence, that they conduct those bodies in the manner of Ryle’s “ghost in the machine”, sitting inside some cockpit in the forehead and driving the levers this way and that. In the end, it is this disdainful refusal of experience – refusal of its power to shape him, to shape the protagonist – that leaves his fiction lifeless. The obvious contrast is with Kundera, who manages to settle recorded, fully absorbed sensual experience within a process of reflection, which lives not in the character’s mind as it acts, but in the narrator’s voice as it remembers. Far, far better.
Excellent analysis. I felt exactly the same about his writing only I think you are missing the words narcissism and nihilism.
I worry about Mr Harris and condescension
Yes. Around the time of Amis’ death there were articles specifically about his work (not just “bad-boy lit” in general) and made very similar points. He won’t be remembered in any positive way by future generations.
Well, agreed the fiction is ropey but I had to take my hat off to him years ago when he popped up with “Koba the Dread”, a handy account of Stalin and his abominations. Moving, as he did, in the upper echelons of the Anglo-American literary milieu, Amis the Younger’s emphasis on the sheer criminality of a left wing dictatorship was an act of civil courage. And indeed many of the usual apologists for such regimes took some unpleasant pops at him. So, for my money, the poor old chap wasn’t all bad…
Well, agreed the fiction is ropey but I had to take my hat off to him years ago when he popped up with “Koba the Dread”, a handy account of Stalin and his abominations. Moving, as he did, in the upper echelons of the Anglo-American literary milieu, Amis the Younger’s emphasis on the sheer criminality of a left wing dictatorship was an act of civil courage. And indeed many of the usual apologists for such regimes took some unpleasant pops at him. So, for my money, the poor old chap wasn’t all bad…
Excellent analysis. I felt exactly the same about his writing only I think you are missing the words narcissism and nihilism.
I worry about Mr Harris and condescension
Yes. Around the time of Amis’ death there were articles specifically about his work (not just “bad-boy lit” in general) and made very similar points. He won’t be remembered in any positive way by future generations.
Amis himself was pretty cold though. As was his father.
Simon Denis
8 months ago
I never could get on with Amis fils, not because I object in any way to amorous adventures as recorded by males; nor because I recoil from remembered adolescence – his line about the self looming large in those years rings terribly true. No, it’s the posturing intellectualism I dislike; the introduction of theory into the mind of someone in the very midst of action. This is far, far worse than mere self-consciousness. Frankly, it feels like a dreadful blend of cowardice – retreating behind all those polysyllables – and pretension. And it’s so horribly cold, too. It’s as if the characters are so alienated from their presence in the world, their embodied, sensational presence, that they conduct those bodies in the manner of Ryle’s “ghost in the machine”, sitting inside some cockpit in the forehead and driving the levers this way and that. In the end, it is this disdainful refusal of experience – refusal of its power to shape him, to shape the protagonist – that leaves his fiction lifeless. The obvious contrast is with Kundera, who manages to settle recorded, fully absorbed sensual experience within a process of reflection, which lives not in the character’s mind as it acts, but in the narrator’s voice as it remembers. Far, far better.
Fredrich Nicecar
8 months ago
Just read 470 pages of nonsensical drivel called London Fields.
Me, for one. I’ll take any Amis offering over the ocean of wet “sad girl-lit” (and that’s all women seem to write) every single time. My many Martins are right next to my Kingsleys, and they share a section with Ian McEwan, Peter Carey, Robertson Davies, and George MacDonald Fraser.
Robertson Davies is one of the forgotten greats. I think it’s because he was Canadian. George MacDonald Fraser combined comedy and action with unparalleled skill, giving us the big picture from bedroom to empire. The other two aren’t bad, either. Amis wasn’t in that league.
Robertson Davies is one of the forgotten greats. I think it’s because he was Canadian. George MacDonald Fraser combined comedy and action with unparalleled skill, giving us the big picture from bedroom to empire. The other two aren’t bad, either. Amis wasn’t in that league.
Me, for one. I’ll take any Amis offering over the ocean of wet “sad girl-lit” (and that’s all women seem to write) every single time. My many Martins are right next to my Kingsleys, and they share a section with Ian McEwan, Peter Carey, Robertson Davies, and George MacDonald Fraser.
Just read 470 pages of nonsensical drivel called London Fields.
Arthur G
8 months ago
Do actual normal, well-adjusted men actually read those neurotic, post-WW2 navel gazing, novels, where men obsess about their sex lives? I’d rather have dental work than read Roth, or Amis, or Mailer.
They were popular for a reason, they’re good, and funny, ha ha
Arthur G
8 months ago
Do actual normal, well-adjusted men actually read those neurotic, post-WW2 navel gazing, novels, where men obsess about their sex lives? I’d rather have dental work than read Roth, or Amis, or Mailer.
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 months ago
“Long before we delegated mediating this crisis to Caitlin Moran, the wretched young man had his own literary genre: the late-20th century young man’s novel. It was born, loud and cocky, in the Sexual Revolution decades. Spurred on by the general loosening of mores and laws around the depiction of sex on the page,…”
Isn’t that where it all started to go wrong?
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 months ago
“Long before we delegated mediating this crisis to Caitlin Moran, the wretched young man had his own literary genre: the late-20th century young man’s novel. It was born, loud and cocky, in the Sexual Revolution decades. Spurred on by the general loosening of mores and laws around the depiction of sex on the page,…”
Isn’t that where it all started to go wrong?
AC Harper
8 months ago
Allowing the sub editors the use of ‘toxic masculinity’ is to ‘frame’ the following article before a word is read.
I don’t like the snipe at Jordan Peterson either. I have some major issues with Jordan Peterson but he’s no Andrew Tate, which would have been a better person to dig out.
I don’t like the snipe at Jordan Peterson either. I have some major issues with Jordan Peterson but he’s no Andrew Tate, which would have been a better person to dig out.
AC Harper
8 months ago
Allowing the sub editors the use of ‘toxic masculinity’ is to ‘frame’ the following article before a word is read.
Jerry Carroll
8 months ago
Hel-oo, one little thing. Males have moved massively on to video games. Reading and writing are for and by women, who have populated 90% of the book industry, from writers and agents to publishers and reviewers. Surprised you haven’t noticed.
Last edited 8 months ago by Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
8 months ago
Hel-oo, one little thing. Males have moved massively on to video games. Reading and writing are for and by women, who have populated 90% of the book industry, from writers and agents to publishers and reviewers. Surprised you haven’t noticed.
Last edited 8 months ago by Jerry Carroll
Stewart Trotter
8 months ago
Peter York has the best analysis of Martin Amis’s success: ‘The media needed a novelist who looked like Mick Jagger’.
Stewart Trotter
8 months ago
Peter York has the best analysis of Martin Amis’s success: ‘The media needed a novelist who looked like Mick Jagger’.
Christopher Barclay
8 months ago
The most memorable scene in The Rachel Papers was Rachels’ other love interest reading history textbooks while having sex in order to prevent premature ejaculation.
Premature? That must be a concept conceived by the toxic feminist matriarchy. 🙂
Christopher Barclay
8 months ago
The most memorable scene in The Rachel Papers was Rachels’ other love interest reading history textbooks while having sex in order to prevent premature ejaculation.
Right-Wing Hippie
8 months ago
I’m trying to recall if I’ve ever actually read any lit-fic published post-1965 or so, and I think the answer is no. Give me genre fiction any day of the week.
I never could get on with Amis fils, not because I object in any way to amorous adventures as recorded by males; nor because I recoil from remembered adolescence – his line about the self looming large in those years rings terribly true. No, it’s the posturing intellectualism I dislike; the introduction of theory into the mind of someone in the very midst of action. This is far, far worse than mere self-consciousness. Frankly, it feels like a dreadful blend of cowardice – retreating behind all those polysyllables – and pretension. And it’s so horribly cold, too. It’s as if the characters are so alienated from their presence in the world, their embodied, sensational presence, that they conduct those bodies in the manner of Ryle’s “ghost in the machine”, sitting inside some cockpit in the forehead and driving the levers this way and that. In the end, it is this disdainful refusal of experience – refusal of its power to shape him, to shape the protagonist – that leaves his fiction lifeless. The obvious contrast is with Kundera, who manages to settle recorded, fully absorbed sensual experience within a process of reflection, which lives not in the character’s mind as it acts, but in the narrator’s voice as it remembers. Far, far better.
Excellent analysis. I felt exactly the same about his writing only I think you are missing the words narcissism and nihilism.
I worry about Mr Harris and condescension
Well said
Yes. Around the time of Amis’ death there were articles specifically about his work (not just “bad-boy lit” in general) and made very similar points. He won’t be remembered in any positive way by future generations.
Well, agreed the fiction is ropey but I had to take my hat off to him years ago when he popped up with “Koba the Dread”, a handy account of Stalin and his abominations. Moving, as he did, in the upper echelons of the Anglo-American literary milieu, Amis the Younger’s emphasis on the sheer criminality of a left wing dictatorship was an act of civil courage. And indeed many of the usual apologists for such regimes took some unpleasant pops at him. So, for my money, the poor old chap wasn’t all bad…
Well, agreed the fiction is ropey but I had to take my hat off to him years ago when he popped up with “Koba the Dread”, a handy account of Stalin and his abominations. Moving, as he did, in the upper echelons of the Anglo-American literary milieu, Amis the Younger’s emphasis on the sheer criminality of a left wing dictatorship was an act of civil courage. And indeed many of the usual apologists for such regimes took some unpleasant pops at him. So, for my money, the poor old chap wasn’t all bad…
I have never found any of this intellectualism in the amis books I’ve read
Amis himself was pretty cold though. As was his father.
Excellent analysis. I felt exactly the same about his writing only I think you are missing the words narcissism and nihilism.
I worry about Mr Harris and condescension
Well said
Yes. Around the time of Amis’ death there were articles specifically about his work (not just “bad-boy lit” in general) and made very similar points. He won’t be remembered in any positive way by future generations.
I have never found any of this intellectualism in the amis books I’ve read
Amis himself was pretty cold though. As was his father.
I never could get on with Amis fils, not because I object in any way to amorous adventures as recorded by males; nor because I recoil from remembered adolescence – his line about the self looming large in those years rings terribly true. No, it’s the posturing intellectualism I dislike; the introduction of theory into the mind of someone in the very midst of action. This is far, far worse than mere self-consciousness. Frankly, it feels like a dreadful blend of cowardice – retreating behind all those polysyllables – and pretension. And it’s so horribly cold, too. It’s as if the characters are so alienated from their presence in the world, their embodied, sensational presence, that they conduct those bodies in the manner of Ryle’s “ghost in the machine”, sitting inside some cockpit in the forehead and driving the levers this way and that. In the end, it is this disdainful refusal of experience – refusal of its power to shape him, to shape the protagonist – that leaves his fiction lifeless. The obvious contrast is with Kundera, who manages to settle recorded, fully absorbed sensual experience within a process of reflection, which lives not in the character’s mind as it acts, but in the narrator’s voice as it remembers. Far, far better.
Just read 470 pages of nonsensical drivel called London Fields.
Sorry to hear you disliked it. Many would differ. No harm, no foul.
Me, for one. I’ll take any Amis offering over the ocean of wet “sad girl-lit” (and that’s all women seem to write) every single time. My many Martins are right next to my Kingsleys, and they share a section with Ian McEwan, Peter Carey, Robertson Davies, and George MacDonald Fraser.
Robertson Davies is one of the forgotten greats. I think it’s because he was Canadian. George MacDonald Fraser combined comedy and action with unparalleled skill, giving us the big picture from bedroom to empire. The other two aren’t bad, either. Amis wasn’t in that league.
Robertson Davies is one of the forgotten greats. I think it’s because he was Canadian. George MacDonald Fraser combined comedy and action with unparalleled skill, giving us the big picture from bedroom to empire. The other two aren’t bad, either. Amis wasn’t in that league.
Me, for one. I’ll take any Amis offering over the ocean of wet “sad girl-lit” (and that’s all women seem to write) every single time. My many Martins are right next to my Kingsleys, and they share a section with Ian McEwan, Peter Carey, Robertson Davies, and George MacDonald Fraser.
It’s funny
Sorry to hear you disliked it. Many would differ. No harm, no foul.
It’s funny
Just read 470 pages of nonsensical drivel called London Fields.
Do actual normal, well-adjusted men actually read those neurotic, post-WW2 navel gazing, novels, where men obsess about their sex lives? I’d rather have dental work than read Roth, or Amis, or Mailer.
They were popular for a reason, they’re good, and funny, ha ha
They were popular for a reason, they’re good, and funny, ha ha
Do actual normal, well-adjusted men actually read those neurotic, post-WW2 navel gazing, novels, where men obsess about their sex lives? I’d rather have dental work than read Roth, or Amis, or Mailer.
“Long before we delegated mediating this crisis to Caitlin Moran, the wretched young man had his own literary genre: the late-20th century young man’s novel. It was born, loud and cocky, in the Sexual Revolution decades. Spurred on by the general loosening of mores and laws around the depiction of sex on the page,…”
Isn’t that where it all started to go wrong?
“Long before we delegated mediating this crisis to Caitlin Moran, the wretched young man had his own literary genre: the late-20th century young man’s novel. It was born, loud and cocky, in the Sexual Revolution decades. Spurred on by the general loosening of mores and laws around the depiction of sex on the page,…”
Isn’t that where it all started to go wrong?
Allowing the sub editors the use of ‘toxic masculinity’ is to ‘frame’ the following article before a word is read.
I don’t like the snipe at Jordan Peterson either. I have some major issues with Jordan Peterson but he’s no Andrew Tate, which would have been a better person to dig out.
I don’t like the snipe at Jordan Peterson either. I have some major issues with Jordan Peterson but he’s no Andrew Tate, which would have been a better person to dig out.
Allowing the sub editors the use of ‘toxic masculinity’ is to ‘frame’ the following article before a word is read.
Hel-oo, one little thing. Males have moved massively on to video games. Reading and writing are for and by women, who have populated 90% of the book industry, from writers and agents to publishers and reviewers. Surprised you haven’t noticed.
Hel-oo, one little thing. Males have moved massively on to video games. Reading and writing are for and by women, who have populated 90% of the book industry, from writers and agents to publishers and reviewers. Surprised you haven’t noticed.
Peter York has the best analysis of Martin Amis’s success: ‘The media needed a novelist who looked like Mick Jagger’.
Peter York has the best analysis of Martin Amis’s success: ‘The media needed a novelist who looked like Mick Jagger’.
The most memorable scene in The Rachel Papers was Rachels’ other love interest reading history textbooks while having sex in order to prevent premature ejaculation.
Premature? That must be a concept conceived by the toxic feminist matriarchy. 🙂
Premature? That must be a concept conceived by the toxic feminist matriarchy. 🙂
The most memorable scene in The Rachel Papers was Rachels’ other love interest reading history textbooks while having sex in order to prevent premature ejaculation.
I’m trying to recall if I’ve ever actually read any lit-fic published post-1965 or so, and I think the answer is no. Give me genre fiction any day of the week.