Consider famous moments of moral crisis throughout the ages, real or imagined. Peter denying that he knew Jesus before the cock crowed, say; or Jean Paul Sartre’s former pupil in Existentialism Is A Humanism, torn between joining the Free French to avenge his brother’s wartime death and staying at home to look after his devastated mother. Or think of William Styron’s Sophie, facing the terrible choice between her children in a concentration camp. If only they’d all had the Am I the Asshole? website to help them out. Don’t say the modern world doesn’t have its advantages.
Called AITA for short, this enormously popular sub-Reddit — which celebrates its 10th anniversary this summer and now has more than nine million subscribers — describes itself as a “catharsis for the frustrated moral philosopher in all of us” and a “platform for moral judgement”. Its stated purpose is “to assign blame”. Anonymous posters describe the tortuous ins and outs of disputes with loved ones, friends or co-workers, soliciting judgement from strangers. Readers gleefully weigh in with “YTA” (you’re the asshole), “NTA” (not the asshole), “NAH” (no assholes here), or “ESH” (everyone sucks here). Those browsing are encouraged to upvote responses they like. As is probably obvious, the site is based in the US.
Most of the conflicts described on AITA are no less ferocious for being deeply trivial. As I write this, the stories at the top of the page include a man who told his wife on their wedding day that her make-up looked weird; someone who refuses to eat any food his cousin makes for him because she once tricked him into eating cottage cheese; and a husband who unfolded all the clothes his wife had just folded for him, because she hadn’t rolled them the way he likes it. (At the moment, the dominant verdicts are YTA, YTA, and YTA respectively.)
The site is sometimes touted as a tool for “conflict resolution”, partly on the basis that those who receive a YTA judgement sometimes come back to explain how much they have supposedly learnt from the process. As a profile of the site from 2020 put it: “It’s a place where accountability actually exists… It’s also a place for growth.” It’s really not, though. It’s a place where people get to feel good about themselves by judging and scolding others. It’s great fun, but nobody here is going to get a Nobel Peace Prize.
As with the current vogue for podcasts and programmes about relationship counselling, one motive for browsing AITA is the enjoyable glimpses it provides into the fantastic dysfunction and pettiness of other people’s relationships. Where else could you read about a woman being passive-aggressive because her sister refused to get the “family tattoo”? Or about a man intentionally ruining his wife’s favourite Garth Brooks’s song because she didn’t like his preferred rap music (“I pointed out that the song That Summer is about an old woman taking advantage of a 19-year-old virgin”)? Or how about a woman telling her future sister-in-law that the she had inadvertently chosen a song about genocide as her first wedding dance (“Carrie was livid, screaming that the whole family would think she was a white supremacist”)?
A lot of the commentators seem intent on getting revenge for their own past emotional scars by castigating anyone who vaguely resembles a real-life foe of theirs. Whether the majority verdict on a post is YTA, NTA, or ESH, there is always an asshole around somewhere, upon which to project one’s situation and so get cathartically self-righteous. Harassed wives queue up to snark at hopeless-sounding husbands with just a little bit too much enthusiasm. Those who must secretly think of themselves as perpetual doormats respond to tales of freeloading friends with DIATRIBES IN CAPS. People with mummy issues take the side of daddy, and vice versa. “No Assholes Here” is everyone’s least favourite and most anti-climactic verdict.
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Subscribe“Manspreading is accommodating the shape of the male pelvis, and avoiding crushing your testicles when sitting down.”
At last, a woman gets it.
And, what’s not mentioned is that most seats allow too little legroom for tall men. However, men being men, just adjust and manage without believing it to be a conspiracy against all males.
It’s important to remember that the case against manspreading was not originally about discomfort for others. It was about men displaying what was seen as (oppressive) dominant male body language. It didn’t matter if the seats beside you were free. The rudeness, discomfort of others argument was brought in to sell it to transport companies.
In practical terms the answer is simple: if there is room, spread out enough to be comfortable. If not, keep to your share of the space and put up with some temporary discomfort. It’s basic manners.
After all the fuss, I started noticing what happens to seats on trains.
The majority of passengers try to be as polite as possible, though amongst the few who “spread”, the majority (not all though) are men.
But the most obnoxious are those who keep their bags on the seat next to them, and pretend not to notice even as the train fills up.
And guess what? Largely women.
I agree that it’s a out manners.
The problem with “manspreading”, as with anything from the feminism thought process, us that it pretends all men are somehow in this weird conspiracy, while ignoring that women are equally capable of bad behaviour on average.
The reason women put their bags on the seat is to stop men form invading their space. Many women have been assaulted or raped or suffered male violence and just don’t want you leaning up on them.
“Many women have been assaulted or raped or suffered male violence”
Thankfully none of the women I know have been raped or suffered “male violence” from someone sitting next to them on the train.
It is strange, though, that women are so defenseless in trains, colleges, air conditioned offices, but somehow as strong and powerful as men when it comes to the police, military, fire brigades, competitive sports.
Womens problems I often think, come from wearing skirts. The last time I was forced to wear a skirt was at my daughters wedding. I live in skintight jeans and leggings daily these days. A fetching pair of black cord today and my last skirt died the death when I walked out of the office on my last day in the Civil service who would have forced us to wear civil service drawers if they could have got away with it.
That’s true, I wonder sometimes whether even women would be more comfortable “manspreading”, but they have become attuned to sitting like that for reasons of “preserving their modesty” to use an old fashioned term, while wearing skirts.
Would be interesting to see how Scots behave while wearing kilts.
The kilt is designed for manspreading…so much fabric.
The kilt is designed for manspreading…so much fabric.
That’s true, I wonder sometimes whether even women would be more comfortable “manspreading”, but they have become attuned to sitting like that for reasons of “preserving their modesty” to use an old fashioned term, while wearing skirts.
Would be interesting to see how Scots behave while wearing kilts.
Womens problems I often think, come from wearing skirts. The last time I was forced to wear a skirt was at my daughters wedding. I live in skintight jeans and leggings daily these days. A fetching pair of black cord today and my last skirt died the death when I walked out of the office on my last day in the Civil service who would have forced us to wear civil service drawers if they could have got away with it.
“Many women have been assaulted or raped or suffered male violence”
Thankfully none of the women I know have been raped or suffered “male violence” from someone sitting next to them on the train.
It is strange, though, that women are so defenseless in trains, colleges, air conditioned offices, but somehow as strong and powerful as men when it comes to the police, military, fire brigades, competitive sports.
I like the suggestion that if you really want nobody to sit next to you, don’t put your bag on the seat, leave it empty and whenever someone approaches, smile suggestively and pat the empty seat. Everyone will stand up rather than sit next to you.
Of course I’ve never tried it myself and I suspect if I did I’d get arrested, but it’s a funny thought nonetheless.
It is pretty funny indeed but imagine how terrifying if someone took you up on the offer !
It is pretty funny indeed but imagine how terrifying if someone took you up on the offer !
putting bags on the seats is a disgusting thing of itself
The reason women put their bags on the seat is to stop men form invading their space. Many women have been assaulted or raped or suffered male violence and just don’t want you leaning up on them.
I like the suggestion that if you really want nobody to sit next to you, don’t put your bag on the seat, leave it empty and whenever someone approaches, smile suggestively and pat the empty seat. Everyone will stand up rather than sit next to you.
Of course I’ve never tried it myself and I suspect if I did I’d get arrested, but it’s a funny thought nonetheless.
putting bags on the seats is a disgusting thing of itself
After all the fuss, I started noticing what happens to seats on trains.
The majority of passengers try to be as polite as possible, though amongst the few who “spread”, the majority (not all though) are men.
But the most obnoxious are those who keep their bags on the seat next to them, and pretend not to notice even as the train fills up.
And guess what? Largely women.
I agree that it’s a out manners.
The problem with “manspreading”, as with anything from the feminism thought process, us that it pretends all men are somehow in this weird conspiracy, while ignoring that women are equally capable of bad behaviour on average.
It’s important to remember that the case against manspreading was not originally about discomfort for others. It was about men displaying what was seen as (oppressive) dominant male body language. It didn’t matter if the seats beside you were free. The rudeness, discomfort of others argument was brought in to sell it to transport companies.
In practical terms the answer is simple: if there is room, spread out enough to be comfortable. If not, keep to your share of the space and put up with some temporary discomfort. It’s basic manners.
At the risk of being personal, how big are your testicles Richard? Maybe I shouldn’t be admitting it, but I find I can sit in non-spreading comfort without being crushed.
My nads are gigantic, and I don’t care who knows it!
This is definitely the oddest exchange I’ve seen on the UnHerd comments section.
And yet, I hope, compelling and strangely instructive.
I’m your seventh Like, by the way.
Goodness, yes! Learning about the dimensions of Richard’s testicles has been both enriching and enlightening. Intellect well and truly boosted 😉
We haven’t learnt anything until he defines the term.
Gigantic olives? Small Plums?
Save your breath, every man lies anyway, mate.
Save your breath, every man lies anyway, mate.
We haven’t learnt anything until he defines the term.
Gigantic olives? Small Plums?
Goodness, yes! Learning about the dimensions of Richard’s testicles has been both enriching and enlightening. Intellect well and truly boosted 😉
It’s very much in keeping with the title of the piece.
See you in the Bellend tomorrow perhaps?
I use the Islamic pub.. The Severed Arms… a good head in a pint there…
Definitely worth repeating — and, er, spreading.
Oh, Jasus & Mo . . . !
I seem to recall that you’re also a patron of the Allahu AkBAR, correct?
Definitely worth repeating — and, er, spreading.
Oh, Jasus & Mo . . . !
I seem to recall that you’re also a patron of the Allahu AkBAR, correct?
I use the Islamic pub.. The Severed Arms… a good head in a pint there…
See you in the Bellend tomorrow perhaps?
Katherine, its mens attachements they’re discussing here, or rather its the men who are discussing it…fancy a coffee till its all over?
I choose not to resent the fact that your response got more upvotes than my comment.
And yet, I hope, compelling and strangely instructive.
I’m your seventh Like, by the way.
It’s very much in keeping with the title of the piece.
Katherine, its mens attachements they’re discussing here, or rather its the men who are discussing it…fancy a coffee till its all over?
I choose not to resent the fact that your response got more upvotes than my comment.
Simply stand to accommodate other people’s, desire to sit comfortably without parts of your anatomy in their spaces. Or buy a hammock for them!
Wheelbarrow.
Wheelbarrow.
I’ll spread the word, Richard.
Very much obliged to you, Jack. Bellend tomorrow?
Very much obliged to you, Jack. Bellend tomorrow?
You could try wearing a dress in public. Apparently the freedom this affords removes the problem entirely.
UGH! Women aren’t interested in big “nads” It’s the other thing that counts. Personally I could do with never having to deal with those puppies.
This is definitely the oddest exchange I’ve seen on the UnHerd comments section.
Simply stand to accommodate other people’s, desire to sit comfortably without parts of your anatomy in their spaces. Or buy a hammock for them!
I’ll spread the word, Richard.
You could try wearing a dress in public. Apparently the freedom this affords removes the problem entirely.
UGH! Women aren’t interested in big “nads” It’s the other thing that counts. Personally I could do with never having to deal with those puppies.
Beta male, then. It’s nothing to boast about.
I would say that it is markedly uncomfortable, but not so much that I would prefer to stand.
Funny!
It’s not just the testicle crush thing, it’s also that men’s hip bone and muscle geometry is different to women’s. When most women are seated, the relaxed and comfortable position is with legs together at the knee. For most men, it takes constant muscular effort to maintain that position; the relaxed position is with the knees spread apart. If you can sit with knees together without muscular effort, that’s somewhat unusual and not true of most men.
Is this why some men claim to have been ‘born in the wrong body’?
No. They only say that when they’re either mad or don’t want to go into a male prison.
No. They only say that when they’re either mad or don’t want to go into a male prison.
But crossing the legs at the ankle will negate that discomfort without laying everything open at the crotch.
That does not stop knees falling open.
That does not stop knees falling open.
Is this why some men claim to have been ‘born in the wrong body’?
But crossing the legs at the ankle will negate that discomfort without laying everything open at the crotch.
Andrew, then you are lucky.
BTW….for my male compatriots, whether you wear briefs or boxers makes a difference. Boxers and loose pants make life a little easier.
One solution but one that will likely aggravate women too, is to grab your balls and lift them up when you sit down. Just a quick upward adjustment so you are not sitting on them or driving them into your butt crack
My nads are gigantic, and I don’t care who knows it!
Beta male, then. It’s nothing to boast about.
I would say that it is markedly uncomfortable, but not so much that I would prefer to stand.
Funny!
It’s not just the testicle crush thing, it’s also that men’s hip bone and muscle geometry is different to women’s. When most women are seated, the relaxed and comfortable position is with legs together at the knee. For most men, it takes constant muscular effort to maintain that position; the relaxed position is with the knees spread apart. If you can sit with knees together without muscular effort, that’s somewhat unusual and not true of most men.
Andrew, then you are lucky.
BTW….for my male compatriots, whether you wear briefs or boxers makes a difference. Boxers and loose pants make life a little easier.
One solution but one that will likely aggravate women too, is to grab your balls and lift them up when you sit down. Just a quick upward adjustment so you are not sitting on them or driving them into your butt crack
True, but we women then tend to be squashed into the corner (and let’s not forget the massively overweight people who plonk themselves down next to you and practically suffocate you). The seats of most public transport and theatres are also too high for many women, myself included, and our legs are just left dangling painfully.
Ha ha ha. Nobody puts Baby in a corner. But they do you eh! You’re waiting for Patrick Swayze to sweep up and show em all. Sock it to em Patrick! Even though you’re dead.
I have extra long legs for a, woman and find public transport seating, especially on buses and trains f ont have enough knee room. Men, in the main,, tend to tell me to sit properly so they can man spread! They don’t usually like my answer, but tough. I have as much right to sit comfortably as they do.
I do sympathise, but I can’t be squashing my coconuts.
Why not? Bike riders seem to do ok.
Good grief, Clare, let’s not go down that road. We’ll be talking about how to Vaseline a perineum before you know it.
Fairly obvious reason for that, isn’t there.
Good grief, Clare, let’s not go down that road. We’ll be talking about how to Vaseline a perineum before you know it.
Fairly obvious reason for that, isn’t there.
Why not? Bike riders seem to do ok.
Built-up shoes will solve this problem
Hate the dangling legs thing. Kills my lower back.
Ha ha ha. Nobody puts Baby in a corner. But they do you eh! You’re waiting for Patrick Swayze to sweep up and show em all. Sock it to em Patrick! Even though you’re dead.
I have extra long legs for a, woman and find public transport seating, especially on buses and trains f ont have enough knee room. Men, in the main,, tend to tell me to sit properly so they can man spread! They don’t usually like my answer, but tough. I have as much right to sit comfortably as they do.
I do sympathise, but I can’t be squashing my coconuts.
Built-up shoes will solve this problem
Hate the dangling legs thing. Kills my lower back.
The female pelvis is larger and broader than the male pelvis. The male pelvis is narrower and more compact, due to the smaller distance betweenthe ischium bones. I am sure that Dr. Stock is perfectly well aware that her justification of manspreading is just balls.
She didn’t say the male pelvis was bigger. Just that they’re different shapes…
Yes, but the shape of the male one is narrower and more compact. Hence, not a good justification for manspreading.
That does not explain anything. The narrowness of the pelvis says nothing about the way the femurs join to the pelvis or the angles that are more comfortable. Narrow hands – splayed fingers; narrow nasal bridge – flaring nostrils; narrow head – ears like Concorde; the examples are endless. And the truth is, narrow hips or no narrow hips, the centrally-located engineering and gantries and block and tackle do indeed make a difference in comfort in – ahem – restricted spaces.
That does not explain anything. The narrowness of the pelvis says nothing about the way the femurs join to the pelvis or the angles that are more comfortable. Narrow hands – splayed fingers; narrow nasal bridge – flaring nostrils; narrow head – ears like Concorde; the examples are endless. And the truth is, narrow hips or no narrow hips, the centrally-located engineering and gantries and block and tackle do indeed make a difference in comfort in – ahem – restricted spaces.
Yes, but the shape of the male one is narrower and more compact. Hence, not a good justification for manspreading.
Really you and your innuendo! Appalling fellow. Have another upvote.
She didn’t say the male pelvis was bigger. Just that they’re different shapes…
Really you and your innuendo! Appalling fellow. Have another upvote.
Ever noticed ‘womanspreading’ – women placing their bags on the seat next to them? Or the relative lack of complaints about it?
Yes indeed.
Nobody ever says a word to ME. I think it’s my hairdo,all those writhing snakes that deters them.
Look away gents!
You’ll be fine – whip out the powder compact and look in the mirror.
You’ll be fine – whip out the powder compact and look in the mirror.
Look away gents!
Well, we have to shop for you fellas, that’s why 🙂
I would also add women putting multipal bags under their legs (ignoring over head racks) so forcing feet into the middle of the area on trains with apposing seats . Men, when sitting opposite each other, generally work out were they can put their feet without a discussion so that they can be comfortable. Once the area opposite has been “occupied” this becomes impossible and everyone in uncomfortable but being British keeps quiet.
We put our bags under our legs so that we don’t have to stand, arms akimbo with our backs turned to potential predators. That position leaves us exposed. The one time I did it on the tube I had a pervert shove his hand between my legs from behind. And we get up-skirted all the time. Sorry that our fear of sexual assault makes you wonder where to put your feet. Clearly your problem is more important than mine.
We put our bags under our legs so that we don’t have to stand, arms akimbo with our backs turned to potential predators. That position leaves us exposed. The one time I did it on the tube I had a pervert shove his hand between my legs from behind. And we get up-skirted all the time. Sorry that our fear of sexual assault makes you wonder where to put your feet. Clearly your problem is more important than mine.
Yes – ever noticed how annoyed they get if you mention it.
I just march right up to them and ask rather pointedly whether THAT seat is free. Or I just start to lower my bottom and leave them to clear their luggage away in a hurry.
Mostly women, yes. Although men can be guilt of the same thing with rucksacks.
Their sense of entitlement. Their facial expression of annoyance at being asked to remove their bag. Invasion of their “private space.”
Yes indeed.
Nobody ever says a word to ME. I think it’s my hairdo,all those writhing snakes that deters them.
Well, we have to shop for you fellas, that’s why 🙂
I would also add women putting multipal bags under their legs (ignoring over head racks) so forcing feet into the middle of the area on trains with apposing seats . Men, when sitting opposite each other, generally work out were they can put their feet without a discussion so that they can be comfortable. Once the area opposite has been “occupied” this becomes impossible and everyone in uncomfortable but being British keeps quiet.
Yes – ever noticed how annoyed they get if you mention it.
I just march right up to them and ask rather pointedly whether THAT seat is free. Or I just start to lower my bottom and leave them to clear their luggage away in a hurry.
Mostly women, yes. Although men can be guilt of the same thing with rucksacks.
Their sense of entitlement. Their facial expression of annoyance at being asked to remove their bag. Invasion of their “private space.”
I saw the first “woman” manspreading on the tube this week.
A tranny? A they/them?
Thats what I wondered
Thats what I wondered
Now, I actually am a woman and I manspread often as I always wear trousers and its a comfortable way to sit, albeit not to the degree shown in the photo at the top. I wouldn’t take up somone else’s space though on public transport, that is just bad manners.
A tranny? A they/them?
Now, I actually am a woman and I manspread often as I always wear trousers and its a comfortable way to sit, albeit not to the degree shown in the photo at the top. I wouldn’t take up somone else’s space though on public transport, that is just bad manners.
Incidentaly, the photo at the top of the article looks as if it may have been taken on the Tokyo Metro which is notorious for the number of white arseholes thereon.
Yes, absolutely right (or the Nagoya subway?). The “salaryman” on the right seems to be having no trouble sitting comfortably. Incidentally, in polite Japanese society only members of the gangster fraternity, the “yakuza”, would sit in a manspreading position on the subway — possibly to demonstrate their derision for “normal” law-abiding society.
I find it amusing that this discussion of manspreading is taking place on a British forum. Among the many Ugly Americanisms about which I was warned before my first trip to Britain is that Americans (& toffs) tend to sit spread out whereas the righteous (apparently, both men & women) sit all compacted.
Oh, yes, and always apologize when they are wronged . . .
‘Aint that the truth!
‘Aint that the truth!
Oh, yes, and always apologize when they are wronged . . .
Wouldn’t it be a bit infra dig for a yakuza to take the subway?
True, but it does happen. On late-night trains they’ll occasionally lie down, across 3 or 4 seats!! No-one will disturb them, and they know it!
True, but it does happen. On late-night trains they’ll occasionally lie down, across 3 or 4 seats!! No-one will disturb them, and they know it!
I find it amusing that this discussion of manspreading is taking place on a British forum. Among the many Ugly Americanisms about which I was warned before my first trip to Britain is that Americans (& toffs) tend to sit spread out whereas the righteous (apparently, both men & women) sit all compacted.
Wouldn’t it be a bit infra dig for a yakuza to take the subway?
Yes, absolutely right (or the Nagoya subway?). The “salaryman” on the right seems to be having no trouble sitting comfortably. Incidentally, in polite Japanese society only members of the gangster fraternity, the “yakuza”, would sit in a manspreading position on the subway — possibly to demonstrate their derision for “normal” law-abiding society.
Possible the best thread on Unherd to date.
Go Nads
Maybe I have disappointing nuts, but this is not an adequate explanation for manspreading.
Exactly. I see them squished the whole time. They’re made to be squished.
My eyes just watered.
Don’t you ever cross your legs?
Don’t you ever cross your legs?
My eyes just watered.
Exactly. I see them squished the whole time. They’re made to be squished.
For many years I’ve watched manspreading on tv and experienced it personally. I’ve found it fascinating as it says so much about the man. There’s heads of state sitting in very different positions, some with legs far apart because they’re alpha males or perhaps wanna be one. Putin, interestingly, slouches in a chair like he couldn’t care less.
When I lived in San Francisco and rode the buses, sitting next to males meant I was always squashed because they would splay their legs and take up more than half the seat. They were oblivious to this, and it seemed like a second- nature territorial position. I would ask them to move their leg which, was usually, greeted with not even acknowleging my existence and perhaps a slight movement of the offending leg.
Bad etiquette that’s all. It’s San Fransicko. I’ll leave you to guess why that might be. Here it would be like comparing behaviour inside the M25 with say Saffron Walden and environs to pluck a town randomly from the air.
Stock’s explanation is resonant with the reality and humane.
There are cultural differences within the U.S.
Bad etiquette that’s all. It’s San Fransicko. I’ll leave you to guess why that might be. Here it would be like comparing behaviour inside the M25 with say Saffron Walden and environs to pluck a town randomly from the air.
Stock’s explanation is resonant with the reality and humane.
There are cultural differences within the U.S.
I crossed my legs thousands of times during my lifetime as a male and my testicles never got crushed. In my experience, they simply wiggle out of the way. So that argument in the OP, which I have heard many times, is bogus. OTOH, a few times I did crush my testicles, when, after spending some time in a hot bathtub, I popped my butt down on the tub’s rim, with overloosened cremasters ill-timedly swinging the two bad boys into an unlucky position.
I present this information as public service, hoping to further the common knowledge of humankind.
Exactly. I see men cross their legs the whole time without flinching. But, Fafa Fafa, your juicy story is about mankind not humankind.
Exactly. I see men cross their legs the whole time without flinching. But, Fafa Fafa, your juicy story is about mankind not humankind.
And, what’s not mentioned is that most seats allow too little legroom for tall men. However, men being men, just adjust and manage without believing it to be a conspiracy against all males.
At the risk of being personal, how big are your testicles Richard? Maybe I shouldn’t be admitting it, but I find I can sit in non-spreading comfort without being crushed.
True, but we women then tend to be squashed into the corner (and let’s not forget the massively overweight people who plonk themselves down next to you and practically suffocate you). The seats of most public transport and theatres are also too high for many women, myself included, and our legs are just left dangling painfully.
The female pelvis is larger and broader than the male pelvis. The male pelvis is narrower and more compact, due to the smaller distance betweenthe ischium bones. I am sure that Dr. Stock is perfectly well aware that her justification of manspreading is just balls.
Ever noticed ‘womanspreading’ – women placing their bags on the seat next to them? Or the relative lack of complaints about it?
I saw the first “woman” manspreading on the tube this week.
Incidentaly, the photo at the top of the article looks as if it may have been taken on the Tokyo Metro which is notorious for the number of white arseholes thereon.
Possible the best thread on Unherd to date.
Go Nads
Maybe I have disappointing nuts, but this is not an adequate explanation for manspreading.
For many years I’ve watched manspreading on tv and experienced it personally. I’ve found it fascinating as it says so much about the man. There’s heads of state sitting in very different positions, some with legs far apart because they’re alpha males or perhaps wanna be one. Putin, interestingly, slouches in a chair like he couldn’t care less.
When I lived in San Francisco and rode the buses, sitting next to males meant I was always squashed because they would splay their legs and take up more than half the seat. They were oblivious to this, and it seemed like a second- nature territorial position. I would ask them to move their leg which, was usually, greeted with not even acknowleging my existence and perhaps a slight movement of the offending leg.
I crossed my legs thousands of times during my lifetime as a male and my testicles never got crushed. In my experience, they simply wiggle out of the way. So that argument in the OP, which I have heard many times, is bogus. OTOH, a few times I did crush my testicles, when, after spending some time in a hot bathtub, I popped my butt down on the tub’s rim, with overloosened cremasters ill-timedly swinging the two bad boys into an unlucky position.
I present this information as public service, hoping to further the common knowledge of humankind.
“Manspreading is accommodating the shape of the male pelvis, and avoiding crushing your testicles when sitting down.”
At last, a woman gets it.
What’s startling and depressing to me is the spread of the attitude that it is acceptable to treat someone else badly if you don’t like them. Regardless of how I feel about someone, my distaste for them never justifies my unethical, immoral, or ill-mannered treatment of them. A few years ago, my accountant suggested a few, shall we say, “exaggerations”, that would save me a few hundred bucks on my taxes. There was no way for the government to find out about them. However, as much as I in general consider any monies I send to the revenue service to be squandered, I nonetheless refused, because doing so would make me a tax cheat. No matter how much I resent my tax dollars being wasted, I am not a tax cheat. Similarly, no matter how much I may dislike someone, treating them badly makes me a jerk, and I don’t want to be a jerk.
I’m afraid it’s reached the stage where we simply have to treat the woke badly.
…or just ignore them? In this day and age of attention-seeking people can’t stand to be not-seen.
Unfortunately they’re not going to ignore us. We have to be re-educated.
Happening right now
They can’t teach me nuffin…
Happening right now
They can’t teach me nuffin…
I’m afraid I have to agree with Hugh.
Don’t be afraid.
You’re right, I won’t.
You’re right, I won’t.
Don’t be afraid.
Impossible to ignore if you work in a university school or hospital
Sadly true: full time in hospital, part time at University, double dose of w⚓️s…
Sadly true: full time in hospital, part time at University, double dose of w⚓️s…
That’s just the extroverts. Not everyone is an exhibitionist.
Unfortunately they’re not going to ignore us. We have to be re-educated.
I’m afraid I have to agree with Hugh.
Impossible to ignore if you work in a university school or hospital
That’s just the extroverts. Not everyone is an exhibitionist.
…or just ignore them? In this day and age of attention-seeking people can’t stand to be not-seen.
Wrong thread
I agree, perhaps the government wouldn’t know, but you would.
Thats the important part because having a good opinion of your behaviour is the important thing for your sense of wellbeing.
You sound a bit self-righteous.
Thank God someone finally said it: essentially, just don’t participate in the circle-w**k. Some things need to be risen above with the appropriate disdain.
I’m afraid it’s reached the stage where we simply have to treat the woke badly.
Wrong thread
I agree, perhaps the government wouldn’t know, but you would.
Thats the important part because having a good opinion of your behaviour is the important thing for your sense of wellbeing.
You sound a bit self-righteous.
Thank God someone finally said it: essentially, just don’t participate in the circle-w**k. Some things need to be risen above with the appropriate disdain.
What’s startling and depressing to me is the spread of the attitude that it is acceptable to treat someone else badly if you don’t like them. Regardless of how I feel about someone, my distaste for them never justifies my unethical, immoral, or ill-mannered treatment of them. A few years ago, my accountant suggested a few, shall we say, “exaggerations”, that would save me a few hundred bucks on my taxes. There was no way for the government to find out about them. However, as much as I in general consider any monies I send to the revenue service to be squandered, I nonetheless refused, because doing so would make me a tax cheat. No matter how much I resent my tax dollars being wasted, I am not a tax cheat. Similarly, no matter how much I may dislike someone, treating them badly makes me a jerk, and I don’t want to be a jerk.
Dr. Stock says “Looking at AITA on its own, it’s tricky to pin down a systematic profile for the modern-day asshole.”. But you don’t have to because Artificial Intelligence has done that for you. Researchers at the Australian National University (“ANU”) have developed algorithms that have analysed 100,000 AITA threads. The result is that we can now determine who is the asshole with ANU’s bot.
“ANU’s bot”
I saw what you did there, you bad man. Have an upvote.
I didn’t get it staight away, must be my innocent mind, you’re hint made me look again.
I didn’t get it staight away, must be my innocent mind, you’re hint made me look again.
AI you mean “Farty Cat”. Turns out some french people have found that saying “chatgpt” in their accent makes it sound like the french for “a farting cat”. I love that. I’m calling in Farty Cat in future,that is all AI. Look at it like this. AI = artificial intelligence; that sounds so intellectual and scientific,it sounds important and pretentious. And telling us it’s scary,scary (which it is) but doesn’t that give power to the ones who are telling us it’s scary,scary.
So if we all start calling it Farty Cat that will p***k the pompous pretentiousness of its promoters and piss off the scientists big time.
The promoters of AI have been making more or less the same promises for decades now. An ex-colleague, a Professor of AI, in a moment of honesty told me that the problem is that we only call it AI when we don’t really know what we are doing. Once we do know what we are doing, it is just software development.
This comment is far too subtle. The innuendo is too well hidden. No upvote for you this time.
This comment is far too subtle. The innuendo is too well hidden. No upvote for you this time.
Indeed – subfluent French speaker here – “peter” with an acute accent on the first “e” means “to fart”.
You’re way off topic.
You’re way off topic.
The promoters of AI have been making more or less the same promises for decades now. An ex-colleague, a Professor of AI, in a moment of honesty told me that the problem is that we only call it AI when we don’t really know what we are doing. Once we do know what we are doing, it is just software development.
Indeed – subfluent French speaker here – “peter” with an acute accent on the first “e” means “to fart”.
“ANU’s bot”
I saw what you did there, you bad man. Have an upvote.
AI you mean “Farty Cat”. Turns out some french people have found that saying “chatgpt” in their accent makes it sound like the french for “a farting cat”. I love that. I’m calling in Farty Cat in future,that is all AI. Look at it like this. AI = artificial intelligence; that sounds so intellectual and scientific,it sounds important and pretentious. And telling us it’s scary,scary (which it is) but doesn’t that give power to the ones who are telling us it’s scary,scary.
So if we all start calling it Farty Cat that will p***k the pompous pretentiousness of its promoters and piss off the scientists big time.
Dr. Stock says “Looking at AITA on its own, it’s tricky to pin down a systematic profile for the modern-day asshole.”. But you don’t have to because Artificial Intelligence has done that for you. Researchers at the Australian National University (“ANU”) have developed algorithms that have analysed 100,000 AITA threads. The result is that we can now determine who is the asshole with ANU’s bot.
I’ve long thought(ever since I heard the term manspreading) that women or as I call my gender compatriots “girlies” who immediately think of penises on seeing a man’s crotch must be dirty minded cows. Probably had many a p***s up their alley. Probably the ones who whinge and moan about “the patriarchy” like a squeaky voiced 12 year old is doing on Radio 4 as I type this. We used to be told that if women governed there would be no wars,struggle,abuse and nastiness because all us girlies love hugging children and kissing babies,having orgasmic sex with our man,cooking oh so tasty food and generally nurturing in our Earth Mother robes,in our wild flower garden. Then we got Margaret Thatcher. Since then the metropolitan police went to the dogs under the moral leadership of the aptly named Miss d**k. The Post Office became a source of death and horror under a girlie lady,talktalk and then Track+Trace got thoroughly trashed by Lady Thingy Dido (I’ve got high placed relations) Harding,now I’ve heard the US navy have appointed a woman commander so that will go tits up soon. We females are NOT all Earth Mothers,we don’t all define ourselves by popping out sprogs,many of us are not ambitious and don’t actually want to sell our whole lives for the privilege of spending most of our time in a workplace alongside people we wouldn’t invite in our home or associate with in our leisure time. That squeaky voiced bimbo is still squeaking on she’s now actually saying “if women ran the world there’d be no war”. You have to laugh.
Excellent comment! Indeed, a gynocracy may not be all it’s cracked up to be!
Next time you’re listening to R4, allow me to suggest that you alleviate your distress by playing Skin or Genitals, a game for all the family based on betting on whether race or gender will be mentioned first and how soon.
There’s also fun to be had counting the minutes until some group or individual is described as ‘vulnerable’ (with apologies to Lionel Shriver).
My wife listens to the CBC – I no longer do. However I have a good track record when she turns it on of guessing what the guests will be saying. Last week I told her it would be some guy claiming the forest fires are caused by climate change. I nailed it. That is literally exactly what someone said the moment she turned it on. I think I may do up some CBC bingo cards we can use when listening.
There’s also fun to be had counting the minutes until some group or individual is described as ‘vulnerable’ (with apologies to Lionel Shriver).
My wife listens to the CBC – I no longer do. However I have a good track record when she turns it on of guessing what the guests will be saying. Last week I told her it would be some guy claiming the forest fires are caused by climate change. I nailed it. That is literally exactly what someone said the moment she turned it on. I think I may do up some CBC bingo cards we can use when listening.