As I write this, in my favourite local café in Rome, the temperature outside is close to 40°C. So yes, it’s hot. Yet, thanks to a relatively old invention — air conditioning — I’m able to work in comfort. The 10-minute bike ride back home will be tougher than usual, but it won’t kill me. Like most people here, I consider these temperatures to be a nuisance — but that’s about it.
According to the news, however, I should be terribly concerned — terrified, in fact. Everyone’s running headline stories about the “extreme”, “record-breaking” and “deadly” hot weather sweeping across Asia, the US and, most notably, Europe. Here, the heatwave was unofficially named Cerberus, the multi-headed dog that guards the gates of Hades, before being replaced by Charon, the man who ferries the dead there. Rome is being called the “infernal city”. To be honest, I can think of several much more hellish places around the world at the moment — cities plagued by poverty, terrorism and war. And yet we are told that the current heat waves are a taste of the “hell” that awaits us as a result of climate change.
Such sensationalism is revealing of the climate hysteria that has gripped the West — and the way in which it is seriously hindering our ability to devise rational solutions. Many seem convinced that if we don’t drastically reduce CO2 emissions (or eliminate them altogether) by our unmoveable deadline of 2030, climate change will extinguish humanity, if not all life on Earth. We’re told this is because “the science tells us”. This is bonkers.
Yes, climate change and global warming are real — and yes, they are largely a result of human activity — but the planet is not about to be “uninhabitable”. The science is, in fact, much more nuanced: according to the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), it is far from clear whether the world is actually experiencing more drought, flooding or hurricanes, nor the extent to which any changes are influenced by human behaviour.
Scientists aren’t even sure what the impact on agriculture will be: one 2011 study done for the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organization predicts that by mid-century climate change might reduce global crop output by less than 1% of today’s output. As the UN climate panel put it: “For most economic sectors, the impact of climate change will be small relative to the impacts of other drivers [such as] changes in population, age, income, technology, relative prices, lifestyle, regulation, governance, and many other aspects of socioeconomic development.”
While the overall impact of climate change on humanity will be negative, nowhere does the science tell us that life on Earth will perish if we don’t go Net Zero by 2030. These deadlines are conjured by politicians, not scientists. As a result, the apocalyptic narrative currently dominating the climate debate is completely unfounded — and unethical. In The Rhetoric of Reaction, Albert Hirschman warned about the “futility thesis” — how people will reject preventive action due to a fatalistic belief that it is simply too late to make a difference. Today, this phenomenon can be seen in the thousands of young Westerners who are suffering from “climate anxiety” and choosing not to have children. According to the UN’s latest Human Development Report, the world is more pessimistic than at any point between now and before the First World War — even though in almost every measurable way, life on Earth is better than ever.
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SubscribeI suppose the good thing about the ruling-class climate cult is that it will accelerate the global populist nationalist movement of the ordinary middle class: Dutch farmers, Canadian truckers, and American MAGAs.
No doubt. The incoherent pursuit of net zero will be the undoing of the incompetent ruling elite. Of course Canada has to take a leading role in the madness. We just gave out $24 billion in subsidies for two battery plants. One of the projects for $13 billion will supposedly create 2,500 jobs – I’ll believe it when I see it – for a cool $6 million per job. Don’t know if I should laugh or cry.
The scale of this handout literally dwarfs any other corporate welfare in Canadian history. The handouts amount to more than the cost of the factories.
Older people chuckle.The 6 Million Dollar Man has been replaced The 6 Million Dollar Persons of a Non-Binary Nature who are Infinitely Woke.
The scale of this handout literally dwarfs any other corporate welfare in Canadian history. The handouts amount to more than the cost of the factories.
Older people chuckle.The 6 Million Dollar Man has been replaced The 6 Million Dollar Persons of a Non-Binary Nature who are Infinitely Woke.
Don’t forget the Irish ranchers and the 200,000 cattle that will be culled to ‘fight global warming.’
I love the incoherent logic. Climate change will cause mass starvation so we must reduce food supplies today to prevent starvation tomorrow. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense square a circle like this?
Maybe it’s because you took it out of context? I suspect the policy is to reduce over production and promote sustainable consumption.
I suspect you have no idea what the ideological nonsense you regurtitate will mean for future generations living under communist tyranny.
Pot accuses kettle of spewing ideological verbiage.
Within three words, pot types the phrase “future generations living under communist tyranny”.
Maybe hysteria isn’t confined to the climate-preoccupied classes.
Yes amusing is it not? Infinite growth … or commie tyranny! Which will it be? My Humvee is a bulwark against Marxism!
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Yes amusing is it not? Infinite growth … or commie tyranny! Which will it be? My Humvee is a bulwark against Marxism!
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Pot accuses kettle of spewing ideological verbiage.
Within three words, pot types the phrase “future generations living under communist tyranny”.
Maybe hysteria isn’t confined to the climate-preoccupied classes.
It is I suppose as Ireland easily produces enough in that sector for its own needs, but it will also impact exports from that sector – weakening a domestic industry (Ireland is otherwise very reliant on multinationals) and ordinary people’s livelihoods – not just farmers but the rest of the rural sector that exists because they exist.
You mean “eat bugs”, don’t you?
I suspect you have no idea what the ideological nonsense you regurtitate will mean for future generations living under communist tyranny.
It is I suppose as Ireland easily produces enough in that sector for its own needs, but it will also impact exports from that sector – weakening a domestic industry (Ireland is otherwise very reliant on multinationals) and ordinary people’s livelihoods – not just farmers but the rest of the rural sector that exists because they exist.
You mean “eat bugs”, don’t you?
Maybe it’s because you took it out of context? I suspect the policy is to reduce over production and promote sustainable consumption.
Cattle-culling? Reminds me of something Null Ferguson at Imperial College(who has literally zero qualifications for the job in the 1st place) did during his spectacular debut!
I love the incoherent logic. Climate change will cause mass starvation so we must reduce food supplies today to prevent starvation tomorrow. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense square a circle like this?
Cattle-culling? Reminds me of something Null Ferguson at Imperial College(who has literally zero qualifications for the job in the 1st place) did during his spectacular debut!
I stopped reading at “Yes, climate change and global warming are real — and yes, they are largely a result of human activity.”
CO₂ is a greenhouse gas. Beyond that, it’s all poorly understood pseudo-science, neo-Marxist globalist lies, and yes, hysteria.
I agree with you about CO2, but even if we were both wrong, and human induced global warming was real, still the IPCC reports acknowledge that the impacts would be fairly modest. Hence the current Net Zero delusion is doubly insane.
“Hence the current Net Zero delusion is doubly insane.”
Yes. And it will destroy western civilisation – exactly what the neo-Marxists want, and why they have spent decades infiltrating key institutions.
https://johnsullivan.substack.com/p/the-dummies-guide-to-uk-net-zero
Spot on. And you cannot repeat it enough – everything goes back to there: a utopian fallacy.
Spot on. And you cannot repeat it enough – everything goes back to there: a utopian fallacy.
Not only that, but this cargo cult idea that if we just reach net zero all the weather extremes will go away. I don’t think these people pushing this necessarily think that but that is definitely the subtext of every news report I hear these days.
“Hence the current Net Zero delusion is doubly insane.”
Yes. And it will destroy western civilisation – exactly what the neo-Marxists want, and why they have spent decades infiltrating key institutions.
https://johnsullivan.substack.com/p/the-dummies-guide-to-uk-net-zero
Not only that, but this cargo cult idea that if we just reach net zero all the weather extremes will go away. I don’t think these people pushing this necessarily think that but that is definitely the subtext of every news report I hear these days.
Me too. I’ve been hearing this BS in all its forms since grade school in the 70s. We were all going to freeze to death, or the oceans were going to drown New York City, or the ozone was being destroyed by hairspray – it’s all just so obviously a scam – like Al Gore’s carbon offset racket. The private jet elites believe this as much as they believed that Covid would kill everyone not wearing a mask.
“or the ozone was being destroyed by hairspray”
Which it was. However global action was taken and they say the ozone layer is now almost perfectly restored. It does your credibility little service to point to this example of sober response to a real problem to buttress your claim that AGW is more hysteria. Oh, and at the current rate of sea level rise NYC will require dikes within a decade or two, this is mathematically unavoidable.
What global action was taken to stop the the Great Hairspray Crisis? The product is in every supermarket and salon and women never stopped using it. What proof do we have that the ozone layer is “perfectly restored”, or that it was damaged in the first place? Dikes in NYC, you say? Hmmm, the real estate market is already in trouble there; better not tell would-be investors! I wonder what all those swells in the Hamptons will do with their flooded mansions. I live on Florida’s Gulf Coast. Guess I’d better sell up before Florida disappears like Atlantis . . .
Allison, hair sprays originally used chlorofluorocarbons as a propellant. When it was discovered that CFCs were opening a hole in the ozone layer which protects us from radiation, the US phased them out and replaced them with more benign propellants. An international protocol was adopted by most countries following the US lead. Satellite photos show that the ozone hole is largely gone and, as you note, hairsprays are still widely available.
The elimination of CFCs has been rather detrimental for sufferers from Asthma.
The ‘new’ inhalers are nothing like as good as the old ones, but who really cares?
Presumably if the Ozone hole hadn’t been repaired we would ALL have ceased to exist by now?
The elimination of CFCs has been rather detrimental for sufferers from Asthma.
The ‘new’ inhalers are nothing like as good as the old ones, but who really cares?
Presumably if the Ozone hole hadn’t been repaired we would ALL have ceased to exist by now?
Allison, hair sprays originally used chlorofluorocarbons as a propellant. When it was discovered that CFCs were opening a hole in the ozone layer which protects us from radiation, the US phased them out and replaced them with more benign propellants. An international protocol was adopted by most countries following the US lead. Satellite photos show that the ozone hole is largely gone and, as you note, hairsprays are still widely available.
Yes, regardless of anything else, sea level rise is upon us. Low lying populations will be on the move. THAT will be the problem.
Exactly. Whether one is a head-in-the-sand denialist or head-on-fire alarmist (or anything in between) the oceans will continue to rise at a pace that will displace a great portion of the global population.
And that is happening very fast.
The faster the better.
Why? Why do you say that, Charles?
He calls it “Darwinian realism”.
He calls it “Darwinian realism”.
Why? Why do you say that, Charles?
The faster the better.
Could ‘the problem’ perhaps just be that there are a few billion too many of us?
And that is happening very fast.
Could ‘the problem’ perhaps just be that there are a few billion too many of us?
It’s been happening since the end of the Ice Age with far more dreadful impacts than a centimetre rise every ten years. The flooding of the Black Sea and the creation of the Nile 13000 years ago: more recently the flooding of the Dogger bank and the flooding of Frisia that sent whole populations fleeing south. Most of post Ice Age human history lies under the sea, as people settled on or near coasts.
Sea level is rising at a reasonably steady rate of 3cm a decade. A house brick every 30 years. Human populations generally regenerate their cities every 40-50 years. It’s manageable.
However sea level is also the key tell for climate change. The dramatic models and forecasts used by activists predict large sea-level rise. For that to happen there has to be a step-change acceleration in sea-level rise – at least 4 times the steady rate of the last few decades, if we are to be at 1m or more rise by 2100 as some of the dramatic forecasts predict.
Observationally it isn’t happening, and there have been 35 years saying sea level rise will accelerate rapidly with rising temperatures. Good scientists would be critiquing the theory because observations aren’t matching predictions.
Exactly. Whether one is a head-in-the-sand denialist or head-on-fire alarmist (or anything in between) the oceans will continue to rise at a pace that will displace a great portion of the global population.
It’s been happening since the end of the Ice Age with far more dreadful impacts than a centimetre rise every ten years. The flooding of the Black Sea and the creation of the Nile 13000 years ago: more recently the flooding of the Dogger bank and the flooding of Frisia that sent whole populations fleeing south. Most of post Ice Age human history lies under the sea, as people settled on or near coasts.
Sea level is rising at a reasonably steady rate of 3cm a decade. A house brick every 30 years. Human populations generally regenerate their cities every 40-50 years. It’s manageable.
However sea level is also the key tell for climate change. The dramatic models and forecasts used by activists predict large sea-level rise. For that to happen there has to be a step-change acceleration in sea-level rise – at least 4 times the steady rate of the last few decades, if we are to be at 1m or more rise by 2100 as some of the dramatic forecasts predict.
Observationally it isn’t happening, and there have been 35 years saying sea level rise will accelerate rapidly with rising temperatures. Good scientists would be critiquing the theory because observations aren’t matching predictions.
Isnt the point more that an immediate and convincing danger produces global action, whereas the 35 years of AGW alarmism has been met by developing countries saying that it isnt fair to deny them the chance to catch up with Western industrial development: I heard this a lot when I taught students, Huge amounts of money have been spent by the World Bank sunce 1990 and more recently by the EU aid programme on projects meant to reduce global warming, and the recipients take the cash but with, as it were, their fingers crossed behind their back. Only the West believes in AGW.
What global action was taken to stop the the Great Hairspray Crisis? The product is in every supermarket and salon and women never stopped using it. What proof do we have that the ozone layer is “perfectly restored”, or that it was damaged in the first place? Dikes in NYC, you say? Hmmm, the real estate market is already in trouble there; better not tell would-be investors! I wonder what all those swells in the Hamptons will do with their flooded mansions. I live on Florida’s Gulf Coast. Guess I’d better sell up before Florida disappears like Atlantis . . .
Yes, regardless of anything else, sea level rise is upon us. Low lying populations will be on the move. THAT will be the problem.
Isnt the point more that an immediate and convincing danger produces global action, whereas the 35 years of AGW alarmism has been met by developing countries saying that it isnt fair to deny them the chance to catch up with Western industrial development: I heard this a lot when I taught students, Huge amounts of money have been spent by the World Bank sunce 1990 and more recently by the EU aid programme on projects meant to reduce global warming, and the recipients take the cash but with, as it were, their fingers crossed behind their back. Only the West believes in AGW.
“or the ozone was being destroyed by hairspray”
Which it was. However global action was taken and they say the ozone layer is now almost perfectly restored. It does your credibility little service to point to this example of sober response to a real problem to buttress your claim that AGW is more hysteria. Oh, and at the current rate of sea level rise NYC will require dikes within a decade or two, this is mathematically unavoidable.
“pseudo-science, neo-Marxist globalist lies, and yes, hysteria.”
Are you able to write in anything other than right-wing group think clichés? Are you a scientist? You sound very convinced, and very knowledgeable, certainly a lot more than me. I’d like to learn from smart people like you. Can you point us to your peer-reviewed sources please?
firstly why do observations of marxist gait-prop have to be singularly from ‘right wing group think cliches’ ? if anything that is a cliche, however thats a discourse for another day
peer reviewed sources…
first off go to Clintel where over 1500 real scientists have signed the Declaration, not faux science ‘modellers’ et al
second try a few of these ….
“Climate Change the facts” Marohasy
”Green Murder” Ian Plimer
”Heaven & Earth” Ian Plimer
”Hiding The Decline” Andrew Montford
”The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science” Tim Ball
”Unsettled” Steve Koonin
”Global Warming and Other Eco Myths” Ronald Bailey editor
”The Real Global Warming Disaster” Christopher Booker
”Inconvenient Facts” Gregory Wrighstone
”Human Caused Global Warming” Dr Tim Ball
when you’ve got thru them come back and I’ll add some links
that’s if you’ve got further than dismissing all these professorial level authors as ‘right wing group thinkers’
“where over 1500 real scientists”
Who counts as a ‘real scientist’ then? I suspect that if a scientist supports your view he is ‘real’ and if he does not, he is not, yes?
For balance, and a bit of light relief from reading, you might kick back and watch some of David Attenborough’smost recent documentaries.
“where over 1500 real scientists”
Who counts as a ‘real scientist’ then? I suspect that if a scientist supports your view he is ‘real’ and if he does not, he is not, yes?
For balance, and a bit of light relief from reading, you might kick back and watch some of David Attenborough’smost recent documentaries.
I challenge you to read any article or listen to any podcast with Bjorn Lomborg. If you are being open minded, it can’t help but change your perspective.
He’s not being open minded, so he won’t.
Now, now don’t project.
Now, now don’t project.
Lomborg is a politician funded by the sceptic industry.
No, he’s an economist who takes the IPCC’s predictions and modelling at face value, and then calculates what is the best course for humanity given the benefits as well as costs of both climate change, phasing out fossil fuels in favour of renewables, and mitigation measures.
And determined that striving for “Net Zero” by 2050 (let alone 2030) is not the best use of humanity’s limited resources; not even close.
His calculations are open and based on open sources and anyone can challenge them and prove they’re wrong. No one has (to my knowledge).
Really. Most people look at his work and note how he cherry picks certain datasets in order to make narrow compelling observations. Let’s face it, anyone buying a book with the title ‘False Alarm’ is merely a victim of their own confirmation bias.
Oh yeah? Name some of these “most people”, please.
Oh yeah? Name some of these “most people”, please.
Really. Most people look at his work and note how he cherry picks certain datasets in order to make narrow compelling observations. Let’s face it, anyone buying a book with the title ‘False Alarm’ is merely a victim of their own confirmation bias.
Blimey.i thought he was an academic who wrote interesting books and was banned from writing for Nature after complaints from a bunch of non climate scientists . Sort of like the Lancet and Covid.
No, he’s an economist who takes the IPCC’s predictions and modelling at face value, and then calculates what is the best course for humanity given the benefits as well as costs of both climate change, phasing out fossil fuels in favour of renewables, and mitigation measures.
And determined that striving for “Net Zero” by 2050 (let alone 2030) is not the best use of humanity’s limited resources; not even close.
His calculations are open and based on open sources and anyone can challenge them and prove they’re wrong. No one has (to my knowledge).
Blimey.i thought he was an academic who wrote interesting books and was banned from writing for Nature after complaints from a bunch of non climate scientists . Sort of like the Lancet and Covid.
He’s not being open minded, so he won’t.
Lomborg is a politician funded by the sceptic industry.
Covid, Covid, Covid and Covid
We need to start calling it Wuhan Flu, because it offends the woke scum.
We need to start calling it Wuhan Flu, because it offends the woke scum.
“Right-wing group think clichés”
And there’s no better cliché than that. Clown.
“And there’s no better cliché than that. Clown.”
Which does not negate his point. If one points out a cliche using another cliche, does that make the first cliche go away? IMHO he is correct that Deniers are so quick to dismiss anything they don’t want to hear as Marxism that it’s comical.
I’m going to junk all my perjoratives and just use “Marxist” for everything I don’t like.
At least he capitalised “Deniers”
At least he capitalised “Deniers”
I’m going to junk all my perjoratives and just use “Marxist” for everything I don’t like.
Can you not disagree without name calling? It reflects badly on you.
“And there’s no better cliché than that. Clown.”
Which does not negate his point. If one points out a cliche using another cliche, does that make the first cliche go away? IMHO he is correct that Deniers are so quick to dismiss anything they don’t want to hear as Marxism that it’s comical.
Can you not disagree without name calling? It reflects badly on you.
I recommend you go on YouTube and listen to Prof.Curry and Prof.Lindzen. There are also plenty of other interviews by “sceptical” Climate Scientists, physicists and biologists, like the former founder of Green Peace, Patrick Moore. He also published a great new book, which I recently read. In the latest video by Curry, she was explaining, that there is no Climate Crisis, even if you dig deep into the latest IPCC reports. Some years ago she gave a lecture, comparing CO2 to a hair on an elephant‘s tail, the elephant being a metaphor of the atmosphere (man made CO2 only 3% of 0.04%). The whole of recent Climate Science is solely based on computer models…
The current hysteria about Global Warming Crisis reminds me very much of our recent Covid “crisis”, when eminent scientists were cut out from all discussions on Social Media and much of MSM. According to the Twitter files they were silenced by government agencies like the CIA and FBI.
The current hysteria about Global Warming Crisis reminds me very much of our recent Covid “crisis”
Apt comparison. Indeed, vast amounts of misbehavior happened regarding Covid, yes? The list of mistakes and lies and incompetence and Marxist malfeasance was long. Yet I put it to you that Covid was real and that many died from it and that some action was required notwithstanding that you could have handled it much better, yes? Similarly, AGW is real and action should be taken. True, as will all real science, there will be dissent of one kind or another, but with 99% of scientist more or less ‘on side’ should we say that the 1% prove that the whole thing is made up?
Can‘t link the paper here, but thousands of scientists recently signed a document, which says, the hysteria we are witnessing right now, has nothing to do with science. Where did you get the 99%? Some say 97%… Anyway, even Curry and Lindzen say, it “might” be a possibility, that CO2 contributes a tiny percent to Global Warming. They of course were put into the category of 97% agreeing on man made Global Warming. But the subject is so complex, that listening to Linzen and an Indian Physicist discuss the science makes my head spin. Doubt any of the journalists, let alone the politician understand anything. Also most of the IPCC papers are very vague with lots of “might”, “would” and “could” in it. Definitely not settled science.
No, 99% of scientists are not “more or less onside” with the climate hysteria. I’m a PhD geologist, you know, scientists who actually study the history of the earth, which necessarily includes the history of climate changes through time, and I assure you that most geologists I know are not onside with the concept that CO2 is driving contemprary increased temperatures. No more than it drove historic significant increases in temperature.
Can‘t link the paper here, but thousands of scientists recently signed a document, which says, the hysteria we are witnessing right now, has nothing to do with science. Where did you get the 99%? Some say 97%… Anyway, even Curry and Lindzen say, it “might” be a possibility, that CO2 contributes a tiny percent to Global Warming. They of course were put into the category of 97% agreeing on man made Global Warming. But the subject is so complex, that listening to Linzen and an Indian Physicist discuss the science makes my head spin. Doubt any of the journalists, let alone the politician understand anything. Also most of the IPCC papers are very vague with lots of “might”, “would” and “could” in it. Definitely not settled science.
No, 99% of scientists are not “more or less onside” with the climate hysteria. I’m a PhD geologist, you know, scientists who actually study the history of the earth, which necessarily includes the history of climate changes through time, and I assure you that most geologists I know are not onside with the concept that CO2 is driving contemprary increased temperatures. No more than it drove historic significant increases in temperature.
Absolutely bang on. Me and my wife heard all about this when we were at college in the mid 1970s. We have read and watched scientists explain about what the actual data shows and their conclusions are that there is no man made warming. The fact that a gas that is only .04% of the atmosphere and human beings are only responsible for 3% of that .04 is completely laughable. My understanding is that CO2 is the gas of life and if it fell below 200 parts per million then plants would die and then of course all animal and human life would die.
The current hysteria about Global Warming Crisis reminds me very much of our recent Covid “crisis”
Apt comparison. Indeed, vast amounts of misbehavior happened regarding Covid, yes? The list of mistakes and lies and incompetence and Marxist malfeasance was long. Yet I put it to you that Covid was real and that many died from it and that some action was required notwithstanding that you could have handled it much better, yes? Similarly, AGW is real and action should be taken. True, as will all real science, there will be dissent of one kind or another, but with 99% of scientist more or less ‘on side’ should we say that the 1% prove that the whole thing is made up?
Absolutely bang on. Me and my wife heard all about this when we were at college in the mid 1970s. We have read and watched scientists explain about what the actual data shows and their conclusions are that there is no man made warming. The fact that a gas that is only .04% of the atmosphere and human beings are only responsible for 3% of that .04 is completely laughable. My understanding is that CO2 is the gas of life and if it fell below 200 parts per million then plants would die and then of course all animal and human life would die.
One does not need peer-reviewed sources to smell a commie! JS knows that his opinions are Good and that anyone telling him anything he doesn’t want to hear is Bad. It is that simple, why confuse things?
I love that leftist cliché that says no one should comment unless they are a scientist. I’m no scientist, yet I believe in gravity. I also believe that water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit and water boils at 212 degrees. If someone claimed that water boils at 95 degrees and I challenge them, am I right-wing group thinker too?
At 65 hPa they’d be corrrect.
At 65 hPa they’d be corrrect.
“Peer reviewed sources” is a bit of a joke these days. A lot of people have lists of the peer review publications that wil support their particular dodgy views. Even publications such as The Lancet have been found guilty of (extreme) bias on certain subjects/authors. Add to your reading list two very good primers: “Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom” by Patrick Moore an important founder member of Greenpeace who left them at about the same time that I stopped supporting them. “False Alarm” by Bjorn Lomborg an independent scientist (not reliant on government or NGO handouts)
Well I’m a scientist.
Presumably you believe the claims that there’s a “scientific consensus” with regards to CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming).
I’ve been taking an interest in this subject since the early ’80’s, when a few of the more alarmist climate scientists would actually debate with the more moderate (“lukewarmist”) climate scientists. The latters’ arguments were usually more persuasive, and pretty soon the alarmists stopped taking part in debates.
But after years of lukewarmists being denounced by activists (and alarmist scientists) as “deniers”, it was suddenly announced that there was a “scientific consensus” on CAGW, but there wasn’t; there was a manufactured consensus amongst activists, activist-scientists, politicians and bureaucrats which steered funding and publicity towards alarmists, and away from anyone who remained sceptical.
With regards to “peer review”, the leaked “Climategate” emails reveal that this has been replaced with “pal review”, and, as Richard Lindzen recently attested, any editor daring to publish lukewarmist research in a scientific journal now faces dismissal (this has happened to him twice).
Scientists are no less venal than anyone else, and can no more afford to lose grants or jobs than anyone else; as the politically (and financially) manufactured consensus over mRNA vaccines’ safety and efficacy exemplifies.
The best comment today, although Mr Mathew Powell seems to disagree with you.
The best comment today, although Mr Mathew Powell seems to disagree with you.
firstly why do observations of marxist gait-prop have to be singularly from ‘right wing group think cliches’ ? if anything that is a cliche, however thats a discourse for another day
peer reviewed sources…
first off go to Clintel where over 1500 real scientists have signed the Declaration, not faux science ‘modellers’ et al
second try a few of these ….
“Climate Change the facts” Marohasy
”Green Murder” Ian Plimer
”Heaven & Earth” Ian Plimer
”Hiding The Decline” Andrew Montford
”The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science” Tim Ball
”Unsettled” Steve Koonin
”Global Warming and Other Eco Myths” Ronald Bailey editor
”The Real Global Warming Disaster” Christopher Booker
”Inconvenient Facts” Gregory Wrighstone
”Human Caused Global Warming” Dr Tim Ball
when you’ve got thru them come back and I’ll add some links
that’s if you’ve got further than dismissing all these professorial level authors as ‘right wing group thinkers’
I challenge you to read any article or listen to any podcast with Bjorn Lomborg. If you are being open minded, it can’t help but change your perspective.
Covid, Covid, Covid and Covid
“Right-wing group think clichés”
And there’s no better cliché than that. Clown.
I recommend you go on YouTube and listen to Prof.Curry and Prof.Lindzen. There are also plenty of other interviews by “sceptical” Climate Scientists, physicists and biologists, like the former founder of Green Peace, Patrick Moore. He also published a great new book, which I recently read. In the latest video by Curry, she was explaining, that there is no Climate Crisis, even if you dig deep into the latest IPCC reports. Some years ago she gave a lecture, comparing CO2 to a hair on an elephant‘s tail, the elephant being a metaphor of the atmosphere (man made CO2 only 3% of 0.04%). The whole of recent Climate Science is solely based on computer models…
The current hysteria about Global Warming Crisis reminds me very much of our recent Covid “crisis”, when eminent scientists were cut out from all discussions on Social Media and much of MSM. According to the Twitter files they were silenced by government agencies like the CIA and FBI.
One does not need peer-reviewed sources to smell a commie! JS knows that his opinions are Good and that anyone telling him anything he doesn’t want to hear is Bad. It is that simple, why confuse things?
I love that leftist cliché that says no one should comment unless they are a scientist. I’m no scientist, yet I believe in gravity. I also believe that water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit and water boils at 212 degrees. If someone claimed that water boils at 95 degrees and I challenge them, am I right-wing group thinker too?
“Peer reviewed sources” is a bit of a joke these days. A lot of people have lists of the peer review publications that wil support their particular dodgy views. Even publications such as The Lancet have been found guilty of (extreme) bias on certain subjects/authors. Add to your reading list two very good primers: “Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom” by Patrick Moore an important founder member of Greenpeace who left them at about the same time that I stopped supporting them. “False Alarm” by Bjorn Lomborg an independent scientist (not reliant on government or NGO handouts)
Well I’m a scientist.
Presumably you believe the claims that there’s a “scientific consensus” with regards to CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming).
I’ve been taking an interest in this subject since the early ’80’s, when a few of the more alarmist climate scientists would actually debate with the more moderate (“lukewarmist”) climate scientists. The latters’ arguments were usually more persuasive, and pretty soon the alarmists stopped taking part in debates.
But after years of lukewarmists being denounced by activists (and alarmist scientists) as “deniers”, it was suddenly announced that there was a “scientific consensus” on CAGW, but there wasn’t; there was a manufactured consensus amongst activists, activist-scientists, politicians and bureaucrats which steered funding and publicity towards alarmists, and away from anyone who remained sceptical.
With regards to “peer review”, the leaked “Climategate” emails reveal that this has been replaced with “pal review”, and, as Richard Lindzen recently attested, any editor daring to publish lukewarmist research in a scientific journal now faces dismissal (this has happened to him twice).
Scientists are no less venal than anyone else, and can no more afford to lose grants or jobs than anyone else; as the politically (and financially) manufactured consensus over mRNA vaccines’ safety and efficacy exemplifies.
While many, including myself, agree with you regarding CO2 not being the root of all evil, sadly the vast majority of people have been sucked in and therefore this is now an article of faith for them. Thus any article which disputes the faith would be rejected by the masses, therefore it makes sense to at least pretend to believe the main tenet whilst trying to apply rational thought to counter the nonsense that is erroneously generated by that main tenet.
Possibly. My own view is that appeasement doesn’t work.
Rational thought?? In the year 2023? In the post-Covid world? You must be a romantic.
Possibly. My own view is that appeasement doesn’t work.
Rational thought?? In the year 2023? In the post-Covid world? You must be a romantic.
You missed a good article then…
Indeed. It’s the first one by Fazi i’ve been able to read all the way through for some time. I thought his case was pretty well-argued.
Indeed. It’s the first one by Fazi i’ve been able to read all the way through for some time. I thought his case was pretty well-argued.
Alternatively it is a cynical bit of opportunism by those with a vested financial interest
That too, of course.
https://johnsullivan.substack.com/p/a-journey-of-a-thousand-miles
That too, of course.
https://johnsullivan.substack.com/p/a-journey-of-a-thousand-miles
A scientist speaks.
I’d love to hear your ‘well-understood’ scientific opinion- a trawl through your favourite scientifically illiterate political blog rants doesnt really substitute for having the slightest grasp of the subject, sadly.
Content-free ad hominem drivel doesn’t really substitute for having the slightest grasp of the subject, sadly.
Stating the fact that you are scientifically illiterate is not an “ad hominem”. It’s a statement of fact. If that upsets you, there we go.
Stating the fact that you are scientifically illiterate is not an “ad hominem”. It’s a statement of fact. If that upsets you, there we go.
Strange, I upvoted your comment but the counter then moved to ‘-2’. Glitch in the matrix?
No, just the app or website updating other votes alongside yours.
No, just the app or website updating other votes alongside yours.
Welcome back ‘Thorax’!
So you have metamorphosed from an ART bluffer to Scientist. This should be fun.
No, Charlie dearest, I’m not pretending to be a scientist (or, “Scientist” as you say), unlike the Dunner-Kruger fetishists on this the manifestation of internet ‘personal thruthiness’.
Scientists are all Marxists, Charlie- I had that Newton in the back of the cab once….
No, Charlie dearest, I’m not pretending to be a scientist (or, “Scientist” as you say), unlike the Dunner-Kruger fetishists on this the manifestation of internet ‘personal thruthiness’.
Scientists are all Marxists, Charlie- I had that Newton in the back of the cab once….
Content-free ad hominem drivel doesn’t really substitute for having the slightest grasp of the subject, sadly.
Strange, I upvoted your comment but the counter then moved to ‘-2’. Glitch in the matrix?
Welcome back ‘Thorax’!
So you have metamorphosed from an ART bluffer to Scientist. This should be fun.
The elephant- no, mammoth in the room- Climate change also has natural geological causes- most notably gas emissions from rocks as well as volcanoes which can greatly alter the global climate after an exceptionally large eruption of VEI-6 or above. And one such eruption did occur in the Pacific in January 2022 ie the Hunga-Tonga eruption which was reported to have ejected unprecedented amounts of water vapour- a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 into the atmosphere, and thus predicted that this will heat up global temperatures somewhat for a considerable period, maybe 5-10 years if I recall. So if there actually is a heatwave, we ought to be educating ourselves about geology & volcanology, not the hogwash spewed by the establishment media or Greta Thunberg, the latter whom apparently has zero knowledge of these factors.
And paradoxially this eruption was also likely the reason why last winter was unusually cold- a common effect of the 1st year or two after an eruption of such size due to the ejected sulphur partially blocking out the sun’s rays. The infamous Year Without Summer of 1816 was caused by the colossal Mt. Tambora eruption(VEI-7) the previous year- perhaps the biggest in the last 300 years, and both Krakatoa & Pinatubo(both VEI-6) produced the same effect to somewhat lesser extents in their respective infamous eruptions in 1883 & 1991. Why this hasn’t been discussed last winter is beyond me.
Apparently those screaming:”Save the planet!” don’t seem to know the planet that well, and a senior geologist I’m acquainted to actually agreed with my observations.
And we know virtually nothing about underwater volcanoes. We are just starting to develop the technology to map the deeper ones. The hubris of climate change alarmists is breathtaking.
Greta: Our house is on fire!
The Earth’s mantle: Oh you don’t say?
the Earths’s mantle- what is Josh Woods saying?? Really? Josh Woods? Oh my God, he’s briefly read something on the internet! This is game-changing!!
the Earths’s mantle- what is Josh Woods saying?? Really? Josh Woods? Oh my God, he’s briefly read something on the internet! This is game-changing!!
It must have been a bit like this when the Roman Empire (fatally) adopted Christianity in the fourth century, as ‘they’ call it.
Who is this “we”? Why should we listen to Jim Veenbass, ideological blowhard and scientific know-nothing, rather than people who actually devote their lives to studying the Earth?
The “hubris” is yours, mate. Don’t assume your ignorance is a measure of anything else.
Greta: Our house is on fire!
The Earth’s mantle: Oh you don’t say?
It must have been a bit like this when the Roman Empire (fatally) adopted Christianity in the fourth century, as ‘they’ call it.
Who is this “we”? Why should we listen to Jim Veenbass, ideological blowhard and scientific know-nothing, rather than people who actually devote their lives to studying the Earth?
The “hubris” is yours, mate. Don’t assume your ignorance is a measure of anything else.
Hilarious!!
Perhaps that’s the adjective geologists would use to describe the likes of you. Plus you’re rather picky with the ‘science’ you want to believe, aren’t you? How discerning!
So you’re not “picky” about the science you want to believe?
Your whole point is that huge areas of contemporary science are worthless junk, despite your remarkable lack of serious knowledge of them And yet you claim someone else is “picky with the science (they) want to believe.”
You seem remarkably incapable of coherent thinking here- is lots of science junk, or is that “picky”?
You need help Thorax, counselling I think you chaps call it, beforehand it is too late.
Incidentally you won’t get it here on UnHerd, so best return to Twitter for all our sakes.
Perhaps he’d be better to emigrate to Threads instead, the Zuck will make him feel even cozier there than on Twitter!
Perhaps he’d be better to emigrate to Threads instead, the Zuck will make him feel even cozier there than on Twitter!
Bzzz- wrong. Your assumptions of my point are completely off. Try again if you can.
I smell some hay burning- might wanna check if it’s yours? Don’t want you to lose your beloved straw man!
You need help Thorax, counselling I think you chaps call it, beforehand it is too late.
Incidentally you won’t get it here on UnHerd, so best return to Twitter for all our sakes.
Bzzz- wrong. Your assumptions of my point are completely off. Try again if you can.
I smell some hay burning- might wanna check if it’s yours? Don’t want you to lose your beloved straw man!
So you’re not “picky” about the science you want to believe?
Your whole point is that huge areas of contemporary science are worthless junk, despite your remarkable lack of serious knowledge of them And yet you claim someone else is “picky with the science (they) want to believe.”
You seem remarkably incapable of coherent thinking here- is lots of science junk, or is that “picky”?
Perhaps that’s the adjective geologists would use to describe the likes of you. Plus you’re rather picky with the ‘science’ you want to believe, aren’t you? How discerning!
Why are actual scientists so stupid, and random conspiritorial ranty blokes on the internet so incredibly brilliant?
It’s a question we all need to ponder….
So you’re implying that geologists & volcanologists ain’t no actual scientists? Enlightening indeed, I really need to ponder that now!
So you’re implying that geologists & volcanologists ain’t no actual scientists? Enlightening indeed, I really need to ponder that now!
Please, please, PLEASE write this thesis up properly and send it to a serious science journal.This needs to be known NOW, as no actual scientists have a clue about what you understand so well.
Thanks for reminding me Johnny Quest, but I’m afraid that my efforts would’ve been obsolete- A number of esteemed historians & geologists have beaten me to it by decades, and I ain’t one bit jealous of them- I learnt my knowledge from them!
Thanks for reminding me Johnny Quest, but I’m afraid that my efforts would’ve been obsolete- A number of esteemed historians & geologists have beaten me to it by decades, and I ain’t one bit jealous of them- I learnt my knowledge from them!
And we know virtually nothing about underwater volcanoes. We are just starting to develop the technology to map the deeper ones. The hubris of climate change alarmists is breathtaking.
Hilarious!!
Why are actual scientists so stupid, and random conspiritorial ranty blokes on the internet so incredibly brilliant?
It’s a question we all need to ponder….
Please, please, PLEASE write this thesis up properly and send it to a serious science journal.This needs to be known NOW, as no actual scientists have a clue about what you understand so well.
Me too. None of these writers mention that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, with a history of violent climate change, and mankind has been around for a miniscule fraction of that time. Even more miniscule is the amount of time we have been measuring the climate, hence the headlines that blare, “Highest temperatures on record.” Our records only go back about 125 years out of 4.5 billion, for heaven’s sake.
The last chuckle comes from the fact that we can’t even accurately predict the weather for tomorrow.
Indeed, climate measuring has only been around very recently and doesn’t seem to acknowledge or explain historical climatic events. For example the ‘little ice-age’ a few hundred years ago where the river Thames froze, or the warming period during the ‘Holocene’. Well before human intervention.
I watched BBC news yesterday reporting on the ‘extreme’ heatwave affecting southern Europe. Quite alarmist. The report also mentioned that temperatures in Death-Valley USA reached 53°, not quite reaching the highest recorded temperature of 56° experienced in 1913. Perhaps a climate ‘alarmist’ could explain that one!
Indeed, climate measuring has only been around very recently and doesn’t seem to acknowledge or explain historical climatic events. For example the ‘little ice-age’ a few hundred years ago where the river Thames froze, or the warming period during the ‘Holocene’. Well before human intervention.
I watched BBC news yesterday reporting on the ‘extreme’ heatwave affecting southern Europe. Quite alarmist. The report also mentioned that temperatures in Death-Valley USA reached 53°, not quite reaching the highest recorded temperature of 56° experienced in 1913. Perhaps a climate ‘alarmist’ could explain that one!
Me too. If this is true then there was no climate change before we evolved. Perhaps we will soon be reading that dinosaur farts caused it in the past.
An Argentinosaurus would probably produce a fart equivalent to that of perhaps eighty Irish cows. The effects would be something like this, from Geoffrey Chaucer:-
“This Nicholas just then let fly a fart
As loud as it had been a thunder-clap,
And well-nigh blinded Absalom, poor chap;”*
(* The Miller’s Tale, Absalom’s revenge,, lines 698-707.)
Has a single scientist ever claimed that the planet’s climate did not change before humans evolved?
No.
Therefore- your post is merely silly internet drivel. Did you actually have a serious point to make? If so, please make it….
Speak for yourself Thorax.
Speak for yourself Thorax.
Has a single scientist ever claimed that the planet’s climate did not change before humans evolved?
No.
Therefore- your post is merely silly internet drivel. Did you actually have a serious point to make? If so, please make it….
An Argentinosaurus would probably produce a fart equivalent to that of perhaps eighty Irish cows. The effects would be something like this, from Geoffrey Chaucer:-
“This Nicholas just then let fly a fart
As loud as it had been a thunder-clap,
And well-nigh blinded Absalom, poor chap;”*
(* The Miller’s Tale, Absalom’s revenge,, lines 698-707.)
I agree with you about CO2, but even if we were both wrong, and human induced global warming was real, still the IPCC reports acknowledge that the impacts would be fairly modest. Hence the current Net Zero delusion is doubly insane.
Me too. I’ve been hearing this BS in all its forms since grade school in the 70s. We were all going to freeze to death, or the oceans were going to drown New York City, or the ozone was being destroyed by hairspray – it’s all just so obviously a scam – like Al Gore’s carbon offset racket. The private jet elites believe this as much as they believed that Covid would kill everyone not wearing a mask.
“pseudo-science, neo-Marxist globalist lies, and yes, hysteria.”
Are you able to write in anything other than right-wing group think clichés? Are you a scientist? You sound very convinced, and very knowledgeable, certainly a lot more than me. I’d like to learn from smart people like you. Can you point us to your peer-reviewed sources please?
While many, including myself, agree with you regarding CO2 not being the root of all evil, sadly the vast majority of people have been sucked in and therefore this is now an article of faith for them. Thus any article which disputes the faith would be rejected by the masses, therefore it makes sense to at least pretend to believe the main tenet whilst trying to apply rational thought to counter the nonsense that is erroneously generated by that main tenet.
You missed a good article then…
Alternatively it is a cynical bit of opportunism by those with a vested financial interest
A scientist speaks.
I’d love to hear your ‘well-understood’ scientific opinion- a trawl through your favourite scientifically illiterate political blog rants doesnt really substitute for having the slightest grasp of the subject, sadly.
The elephant- no, mammoth in the room- Climate change also has natural geological causes- most notably gas emissions from rocks as well as volcanoes which can greatly alter the global climate after an exceptionally large eruption of VEI-6 or above. And one such eruption did occur in the Pacific in January 2022 ie the Hunga-Tonga eruption which was reported to have ejected unprecedented amounts of water vapour- a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 into the atmosphere, and thus predicted that this will heat up global temperatures somewhat for a considerable period, maybe 5-10 years if I recall. So if there actually is a heatwave, we ought to be educating ourselves about geology & volcanology, not the hogwash spewed by the establishment media or Greta Thunberg, the latter whom apparently has zero knowledge of these factors.
And paradoxially this eruption was also likely the reason why last winter was unusually cold- a common effect of the 1st year or two after an eruption of such size due to the ejected sulphur partially blocking out the sun’s rays. The infamous Year Without Summer of 1816 was caused by the colossal Mt. Tambora eruption(VEI-7) the previous year- perhaps the biggest in the last 300 years, and both Krakatoa & Pinatubo(both VEI-6) produced the same effect to somewhat lesser extents in their respective infamous eruptions in 1883 & 1991. Why this hasn’t been discussed last winter is beyond me.
Apparently those screaming:”Save the planet!” don’t seem to know the planet that well, and a senior geologist I’m acquainted to actually agreed with my observations.
Me too. None of these writers mention that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, with a history of violent climate change, and mankind has been around for a miniscule fraction of that time. Even more miniscule is the amount of time we have been measuring the climate, hence the headlines that blare, “Highest temperatures on record.” Our records only go back about 125 years out of 4.5 billion, for heaven’s sake.
The last chuckle comes from the fact that we can’t even accurately predict the weather for tomorrow.
Me too. If this is true then there was no climate change before we evolved. Perhaps we will soon be reading that dinosaur farts caused it in the past.
“Dutch farmers, Canadian truckers, and American MAGAs” — the new fascists.
The ruling elite will, as they always do, simply charge the spots an latch onto the next big thing.
Absolutely. Please see the link in my previous response.
Absolutely. Please see the link in my previous response.
No doubt. The incoherent pursuit of net zero will be the undoing of the incompetent ruling elite. Of course Canada has to take a leading role in the madness. We just gave out $24 billion in subsidies for two battery plants. One of the projects for $13 billion will supposedly create 2,500 jobs – I’ll believe it when I see it – for a cool $6 million per job. Don’t know if I should laugh or cry.
Don’t forget the Irish ranchers and the 200,000 cattle that will be culled to ‘fight global warming.’
I stopped reading at “Yes, climate change and global warming are real — and yes, they are largely a result of human activity.”
CO₂ is a greenhouse gas. Beyond that, it’s all poorly understood pseudo-science, neo-Marxist globalist lies, and yes, hysteria.
“Dutch farmers, Canadian truckers, and American MAGAs” — the new fascists.
The ruling elite will, as they always do, simply charge the spots an latch onto the next big thing.
I suppose the good thing about the ruling-class climate cult is that it will accelerate the global populist nationalist movement of the ordinary middle class: Dutch farmers, Canadian truckers, and American MAGAs.
Great article, thanks! You wrote “poverty is the leading cause of death in developing countries” and “eliminating world poverty requires more growth”. I would not disagree, but I would also mention that the rate of population increase in “developing” countries is a major cause of poverty. African irregular migrants are escaping from countries where population has doubled since the 1990’s. The excess population is heading for Europe.
Out of date. Population growth in the vast majority of countries is rapidly declining and this trend is expected to continue. Better healthcare, more children surviving, more girls in schools all correlate strongly with this. Africa was also traditionally an under populated continent compared with Europe and Asia.
Migration is undoubtedly a real issue – but that’s just because people know that Europe and North America are much richer places, and if course that it is rather likely that your voyage will prove successful!
Africans deciding to become irregular migrants today base their decisions on the demographic changes in the recent past, not on your predicted future. Even the problems in Syria, where the population had quadrupled since the 1970’s, were a result of demographic pressures (correlated with a religious dimension), hence Assad being very happy to see a diaspora.
You refer to countries being “under populated”, but there is no such thing. A country has some natural resources that can be exploited by its population, but generally speaking, the more people there are, the more difficult it is to extract the marginal value from a resource.
Liberal demographers extrapolate trends when it suits them, but migration has interesting effects. For example, when a couple moves from Bangladesh to the UK, they have a number of children that is twice the average number in Bangladesh.
Quite so. And one can see the reasons for this. To start with, their habits and attitudes are still the result of relative poverty – hence large families. Second, their religion enjoins fruitfulness. Third, as de facto colonists in new territory, the government of which denigrates its own people as hostile and actively encourages separatism, their first instinct is to build up numbers.
And congratulations on spiking that absurd point about “declining populations” in Africa. Someone might have turned off the tap but the tub is still overflowing. Your antagonist seems to have trouble in realising this – just as the fleshy face fellow arguing with Farage and Hartley Brewer about “climate change” has trouble understanding that just because the Chinese have stopped building mega-coal-fired power stations, it doesn’t mean they won’t keep filling the skies with smoke.
How wishful and wide of the facts these poor bleating libs are!
“How wishful and wide of the facts these poor bleating libs are!”
And yet the point you just made would seem to indicate that you understand that there is a problem with Chinese emissions. What I see here is poor bleating righties mostly — poor bleating libs are a tiny minority.
A problem which makes the proposals of you poor bleating libs utterly irrelevant, for anything done in the west will be more than eclipsed by Chinese smoke. What are you going to do? Declare war?
But climate change is a hoax, so it doesn’t matter what China does.
Quite so. But the libs can’t even argue successfully from their own premises.
Quite so. But the libs can’t even argue successfully from their own premises.
But climate change is a hoax, so it doesn’t matter what China does.
A problem which makes the proposals of you poor bleating libs utterly irrelevant, for anything done in the west will be more than eclipsed by Chinese smoke. What are you going to do? Declare war?
“How wishful and wide of the facts these poor bleating libs are!”
And yet the point you just made would seem to indicate that you understand that there is a problem with Chinese emissions. What I see here is poor bleating righties mostly — poor bleating libs are a tiny minority.
Quite so. And one can see the reasons for this. To start with, their habits and attitudes are still the result of relative poverty – hence large families. Second, their religion enjoins fruitfulness. Third, as de facto colonists in new territory, the government of which denigrates its own people as hostile and actively encourages separatism, their first instinct is to build up numbers.
And congratulations on spiking that absurd point about “declining populations” in Africa. Someone might have turned off the tap but the tub is still overflowing. Your antagonist seems to have trouble in realising this – just as the fleshy face fellow arguing with Farage and Hartley Brewer about “climate change” has trouble understanding that just because the Chinese have stopped building mega-coal-fired power stations, it doesn’t mean they won’t keep filling the skies with smoke.
How wishful and wide of the facts these poor bleating libs are!
“Out of date. Population growth in the vast majority of countries is rapidly declining”
Not in Africa. It seems we’re expecting another billion in the next few decades. All headed for whitey’s countries. The Diversity promises to be wonderful.
“Prepare to repel boarders”!
It’s all good, surely Ray.
“Whitey” spread across the globe before- Africa, America, Australia- so what comes around, goes around.