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Will we end up eating insects? The Government is funding high-tech laboratories

Grubs up (Entocyle)


May 25, 2023   8 mins

The thrum of thousands of black soldier flies reverberates around the laboratory. Stacked in rows nearby are boxes containing larvae at various stages of development. Some, just hatched, are so small as to be almost invisible. Others, kept a couple of metres away, are the creatures they will become in less than two weeks: fat grubs that are 7,000 times larger — and ready for harvest.

“When they’re dried and ground into powder, it smells like a mixture of mushroom, soil and macadamia nut,” says Keiran Olivares Whitaker, 39, founder and CEO of Entocycle, the leading British tech company farming these larvae. “And when you taste it, it’s like pork scratchings.”

But you can’t taste Entocycle’s end product yet, because the sale of farmed insects for human consumption isn’t allowed in the UK (though several applications to the Food Standards Agency for black soldier fly protein to be allowed on sale, as a “novel” food, are expected to be approved soon). Instead, it is intended as a high-protein, low-carbon replacement for animal feeds currently based mainly on soya or fish meal, the sourcing of which is causing rampant deforestation and declining seafood populations.

The race to embrace insect farming has never seemed so urgent. According to the World Economic Forum and its post-Covid “Great Reset” initiative, insects are an overlooked source of protein whose consumption will help limit climate change. Last year, the global market for insect protein was worth around $1.5 billion — and, according to “Food Revolution”, a report by Barclays Research, it will grow to $8 billion by 2030.

Certainly, the environmental drivers for insect farming are powerful. Producing insect protein requires one-tenth of the feed, water and land needed for beef production, and it results in only 1% of the greenhouse gas emissions. This is because the food needed to produce all this sustainable insect protein could come largely from waste — the black soldier fly can live off almost anything — and we’ve never wasted more food.

So why not let insects use that waste and bring it back into the food chain? Well, because some scientists and animal welfare groups argue that farming insects could be cruel. And if it is, the sheer numbers of creatures affected by it would be enormous.

According to a paper authored by some of the world’s most prominent biologists and bioethicists published last year and entitled “Can insects feel pain?”, evidence is growing that some insect species (only a tiny fraction has yet been researched) are sentient, to a greater or lesser degree, and so can experience some feelings, including pain. And if they can, the argument goes that they should be brought into line with other farmed animals when it comes to welfare regulations governing the way they are reared and killed. At present, there is none.

“All of the cows, chickens, turkeys, pigs and sheep slaughtered each year amount to about 80 billion animals, whereas there’s already well over a trillion insects being slaughtered every year,” says Dr Andrew Crump, one of the paper’s authors and a lecturer in animal cognition and welfare at the Royal Veterinary College. “There are 300 million beef cows slaughtered every year, but 300 billion mealworms. The numbers are huge, so the issue is that if we get it wrong with welfare, we’re leading to suffering on this absolutely gigantic scale. The problem is that the basic kind of welfare knowledge just isn’t there. With insect farming, we’re basically where we were with conventional farming more than 50 years ago.”

Determining whether an insect feels pain is not as easy as it may sound, because behaviour that might look as if a creature is experiencing it could be put down to a physiological reaction called nociception. The paper on insect pain, published last October in Advances in Insect Physiology, explains: “Nociception does not require pain: hand withdrawal from a hot stove is a nociceptive reflex controlled by neurons relaying signals from the nociceptors in the hand, to the spinal cord, and back again. All this happens before nerve impulses reach the brain (where pain is experienced). Thus, when animals display nociception, this does not necessarily demonstrate that they can feel pain.”

One experiment conducted by Dr Crump and his colleagues found clear evidence that bumblebees can feel pain. (There is no likelihood that bees will be farmed for food other than honey, but that doesn’t make the experiment any the less significant.) Describing the findings, the academics wrote: “We gave bumblebees four feeders: two heated and two unheated. Each feeder dispensed sugar water, which bumblebees love. When every feeder had the same concentration of sugar water, bees avoided the two heated feeders. But when the heated feeders dispensed sweeter sugar water than the unheated feeders, bumblebees often chose the heated feeders. Their love of sugar outweighed their hatred of heat. This suggests bees feel pain, because (like humans) their responses are more than just reflexes.”

They also concluded that flies could experience pain, again because of their reaction to heat. “Hungry flies are less likely to jump away from extreme heat than satiated flies,” they wrote. “Decapitated flies can still jump, but they do not display this difference, demonstrating their brain’s involvement in heat avoidance. Communication between the brain and the responsive body part is also consistent with pain.”

Last year, the Animal Welfare (Sentience) Act included the first invertebrates to be given farming protections: decapod crustaceans, including crabs, lobsters and prawns, and cephalopods, including squid and octopuses. Their inclusion came largely as a result of a sentience framework drawn up by a team of researchers led by Dr Jonathan Birch, associate professor of philosophy at the London School of Economics and principal investigator on the university’s Foundations of Animal Sentience project.

The framework has eight criteria ranging from whether an animal has nociceptors and integrative brain regions to whether it can trade off threat of injury against opportunity for reward, or whether it responds to local anaesthetics or analgesics. No single criterion is proof that it can feel pain, but combinations of some of them may suggest that it can. Octopuses satisfied seven out of the eight criteria; squid and cuttlefish satisfied four; crabs five; and lobster three.

The “Can insects feel pain?” paper, of which Dr Birch was a co-author, concluded that flies and cockroaches satisfied six of the criteria, which amounts to “strong evidence” for pain. Other insects met fewer of the criteria, yet the researchers concluded that there was “substantial evidence” they could experience pain. Ants, wasps and bees met four criteria, and crickets, grasshoppers, butterflies and moths met three.

Perhaps surprisingly, not all environmentally conscious and animal-friendly groups support insect farming, in spite of its many obvious advantages. When I asked People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) what they thought of it, they simply replied that we could get all the protein we needed from plants. Elsewhere, Phil Brooke, Compassion in World Farming’s research and education manager, argues that feeding animals protein from insects makes the food chain less efficient: “Less than 40% of the protein you feed to a chicken ends up in the meat you eat. If you feed a salmon, it’s only 28%. If you feed a pig or a trout, it’s just over 20%. And it can be lower for other species. It’s the simple law of ecology that at each stage in a food chain, you lose energy. So if you’re feeding flies on waste food, we think it would be better to simply feed that waste food directly to animals, like pigs, and miss out a layer.”

Back at Entocycle, tucked away in a railway arch a stone’s throw from London Bridge, I put all of these points to Olivares Whitaker, who has a degree in environmental design and conservation. He seems unfazed: “The phrase ‘plenty more fish in the sea’ is a complete fallacy. The latest data says we have exhausted more than 51% of all fish. We have destroyed the coral reefs, the nurseries of the ocean. By messing up the coral reefs, you mess up the juvenile fish populations, and if you mess up the juvenile fish populations, you mess up all the seabirds, you mess up the seabirds, you mess up the ecosystem.

“Our rainforests are being cut down for large monoculture crops. What most people don’t realise is that 90% of all soy that’s brought to the UK doesn’t go into your soy burger or your soy milk. It goes straight in to feed the cow, straight in to feed the pig, straight in to feed the chicken. And it’s really unhealthy for most animals to be eating this stuff. They’re being force-fed rations which are the lowest cost to the highest value.

“I couldn’t sit back and just watch that, so I began looking at insects. How do insects currently act in the food web? Because the rotting apple falls from the tree, the insect eats the apple, the bird eats the worm, and off we go up the food web. It’s just normal. Every single animal on this planet, including humans, has been eating insects for millions of years.”

While Entocycle used to farm larvae for the pet-food industry, its focus today is on designing insect farms that ensure the greatest ratio of “protein in” to “protein out” – and, yes, to achieve the highest levels of welfare based on the company’s own research. And, so far, this mission is selling well. It has, for instance, recently attracted £4.2 million in funding from US investors and £3.3 million from Innovate UK, a government-backed body that provides money and support to industry. Meanwhile, Olivares Whitaker’s team of 35 engineers, designers, computer specialists and entomologists have contracts to design facilities in the Middle East and the UK that will produce thousands of tonnes of protein each year. And, as a welcome by-product, almost half of each farmed larvae contains excrement that can be used as a rich fertiliser.

“We are now facing a fertiliser crunch,” Olivares Whitaker says. “People don’t realise that the fertiliser industry is screwed since the war in Ukraine, and prices have quadrupled. Here, we have a perfect, organic and sustainable way of producing high-quality fertiliser using black soldier flies feeding on waste.”

But what about welfare concerns, and the claim that farming insects is inefficient? “Waste isn’t perfect,” he says. “You can’t just feed any waste to animals — for example, we saw with cows and BSE what happened when we fed them waste derived from other animals. Farmers need to know exactly what is in the protein they are feeding their animals. You can’t just feed anything to, say, pigs. But black soldier flies could feed off anything and turn it into high-quality protein.”

At present, however, UK rules don’t allow flies to be farmed that have been fed on excrement, but they could be — and the end product would be perfectly safe for animals and even humans. In developing countries with sewage disposal and protein security problems, governments are already looking at the possibilities of farming with insects.

So, what about the welfare side of the argument? I direct Olivares Whitaker to a paper written by Dr Meghan Barrett, another co-author of “Can insects feel pain?”, entitled “Challenges in farmed insect welfare”, in which she argues that farmed black soldier flies are susceptible to five welfare issues: nutritional inadequacies, larval overcrowding and overheating, unmet needs for mating behaviour, starvation, and inhumane slaughter.

But he’s having none of it. “If you get any of those five requirements wrong, your farm simply won’t work. If you starve your flies, they’re not going to breed your next generation of larvae. If you don’t meet their needs for mating behaviour, you’ll have nothing to farm. The welfare of the insects goes hand in hand with how successful and productive your operation will be.”

What if the government legislated to include insects in farming welfare regulations — would the industry comply? “I personally would welcome welfare regulations,” says Olivares Whitaker. “If you didn’t care for every aspect of their needs, your farming system simply wouldn’t work and you’d be out of business.”

I asked the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs if it had any plans to bring insect farming into line with other types of animal farming welfare, but it didn’t reply. Perhaps ministers are concerned that the public isn’t ready for insects to be deserving of concern. That might be true, but it’s hard to argue in a protein-insecure world that Olivares Whitaker is wrong. And one day soon, it won’t just be animals being fed on insects — we’ll be eating them, too.


Steve Boggan is an investigative journalist and former Chief Reporter at The Independent. He is also the author of Follow the Money and Gold Fever.

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Nell Clover
Nell Clover
11 months ago

Ultra processed foods are bad. They are low in micronutrients, low in biotics, and meals using them will be mainly factory produced. Remember when we all realised ultra processed foods were bad?

Insect based food that is edible, appetising and in a meal ready form requires ultra+ processing. Grown in industrial units, lots of water and energy is used to remove biomass and excreta, more energy to cool them to inactivate, more energy heat them to kill viruses and bacteria, more energy to dry to a powder, then come the additives to stabilise lipids, then they must be mixed with things like defatted soy, gelling agents and moisture stabilisers to create something that is easy to eat. You don’t need to be a food scientist to see this results in a narrow nutritional profile.

Yay protein, but what about everything else found in meat and not found in this insect mash? Just like the wonderous processed food innovations of the 50s and 60s, which turned out to be less than wonderous, this is all about money.

The investors of insect tech are also very big spenders on global political activism. It doesn’t take a political scientist to see that the investors are buying a regulatory environment that will force consumers to buy this pap. It isn’t about the planet. It isn’t about your health. It is just another business opportunity.

Last edited 11 months ago by Nell Clover
Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Needn’t stop us eating the raw (unprocessed/”organic”) insects then !

Michael Craig
Michael Craig
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Many more commonsense points in this gentleman’s post, than in the article’s lame observations. It is indeed all about money and subservience to Climate Change/Net Zero dogma.

Not enough food on the planet? The answer is more food independence and self reliance. If more people grew their own or used local suppliers, converted their front lawns to veggie patches, and were allowed to keep chickens in their back gardens, food crises would disappear.

No need to import so much food from the far side of the world, no supply chain problems, and destructive monoculture farming would fade away.

But oh dear, localised food production would then render the giant food corporations and their investment plans for insects, obsolete…

Try and get your local MP to support that one.

Last edited 11 months ago by Michael Craig
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

Everybody having their own little veggie patch is an incredibly inefficient way of feeding the world, not to mention largely impossible in densely built cities

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

That’s a very simplistic and unrealistic comment. For starters people living in cities don’t have lawns and backyards. I don’t think insect farming is only about making money and buying from local farmers obviously hasn’t worked.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

Everybody having their own little veggie patch is an incredibly inefficient way of feeding the world, not to mention largely impossible in densely built cities

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Michael Craig

That’s a very simplistic and unrealistic comment. For starters people living in cities don’t have lawns and backyards. I don’t think insect farming is only about making money and buying from local farmers obviously hasn’t worked.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Could it not be about both making money and filling a need?

Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Needn’t stop us eating the raw (unprocessed/”organic”) insects then !

Michael Craig
Michael Craig
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Many more commonsense points in this gentleman’s post, than in the article’s lame observations. It is indeed all about money and subservience to Climate Change/Net Zero dogma.

Not enough food on the planet? The answer is more food independence and self reliance. If more people grew their own or used local suppliers, converted their front lawns to veggie patches, and were allowed to keep chickens in their back gardens, food crises would disappear.

No need to import so much food from the far side of the world, no supply chain problems, and destructive monoculture farming would fade away.

But oh dear, localised food production would then render the giant food corporations and their investment plans for insects, obsolete…

Try and get your local MP to support that one.

Last edited 11 months ago by Michael Craig
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Nell Clover

Could it not be about both making money and filling a need?

Nell Clover
Nell Clover
11 months ago

Ultra processed foods are bad. They are low in micronutrients, low in biotics, and meals using them will be mainly factory produced. Remember when we all realised ultra processed foods were bad?

Insect based food that is edible, appetising and in a meal ready form requires ultra+ processing. Grown in industrial units, lots of water and energy is used to remove biomass and excreta, more energy to cool them to inactivate, more energy heat them to kill viruses and bacteria, more energy to dry to a powder, then come the additives to stabilise lipids, then they must be mixed with things like defatted soy, gelling agents and moisture stabilisers to create something that is easy to eat. You don’t need to be a food scientist to see this results in a narrow nutritional profile.

Yay protein, but what about everything else found in meat and not found in this insect mash? Just like the wonderous processed food innovations of the 50s and 60s, which turned out to be less than wonderous, this is all about money.

The investors of insect tech are also very big spenders on global political activism. It doesn’t take a political scientist to see that the investors are buying a regulatory environment that will force consumers to buy this pap. It isn’t about the planet. It isn’t about your health. It is just another business opportunity.

Last edited 11 months ago by Nell Clover
R Wright
R Wright
11 months ago

I will not eat the bugs, and I will be happy.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Mind if I ask why not? Personally I’ll happily eat any animal, rodent, mammal, fish insect etc. If it tastes nice I don’t see the issue

Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Yet we no doubt eat animals which eat the bugs – or animals which eat animals which east the bugs. That’s how the food chain works.
I have no desire to eat bugs. But I’ve never tried them. And don’t foresee this weird conspiracy theory future where we will somehow be “forced” to eat them. If it’s a safe option and some people want to, why not ?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

you may not know you’ll be eating them. It won’t say “bugs” on the ingredient list.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Mind if I ask why not? Personally I’ll happily eat any animal, rodent, mammal, fish insect etc. If it tastes nice I don’t see the issue

Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

Yet we no doubt eat animals which eat the bugs – or animals which eat animals which east the bugs. That’s how the food chain works.
I have no desire to eat bugs. But I’ve never tried them. And don’t foresee this weird conspiracy theory future where we will somehow be “forced” to eat them. If it’s a safe option and some people want to, why not ?

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  R Wright

you may not know you’ll be eating them. It won’t say “bugs” on the ingredient list.

R Wright
R Wright
11 months ago

I will not eat the bugs, and I will be happy.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on worms or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on worms or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
11 months ago

The article asks: Will we end up eating insects?

As is Unherd’s wont, it wouldn’t surprise me if an article appears (perhaps tomorrow) asking: Will insects end up eating us?

I expect the bees are busy doing their research to establish human sentience. The buzz suggests they’ve yet to establish conclusive evidence.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

The amount of times the little stripy b@stards have stung me I can only assume that they believe humans don’t feel pain

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Too bad bees die after they’ve stung us. I wish it would happen to mosquitoes.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Too bad bees die after they’ve stung us. I wish it would happen to mosquitoes.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

The amount of times the little stripy b@stards have stung me I can only assume that they believe humans don’t feel pain

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
11 months ago

The article asks: Will we end up eating insects?

As is Unherd’s wont, it wouldn’t surprise me if an article appears (perhaps tomorrow) asking: Will insects end up eating us?

I expect the bees are busy doing their research to establish human sentience. The buzz suggests they’ve yet to establish conclusive evidence.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on spiders or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Now we find out……..Some of us have known this “forever”. Stop listening to the BBC “Expert” – he is a charlatan and has been challenged several times on this and other subjects. Amazingly he has gained not just one, but two knighthQoods from his lies (Some believed by the “highest family in the land”)
PS What’s wrong with Quorn (except Quorn bacon)

Last edited 11 months ago by Doug Pingel
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

I doubt that David Attenbough is a charlatan.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

I doubt that David Attenbough is a charlatan.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Now we find out……..Some of us have known this “forever”. Stop listening to the BBC “Expert” – he is a charlatan and has been challenged several times on this and other subjects. Amazingly he has gained not just one, but two knighthQoods from his lies (Some believed by the “highest family in the land”)
PS What’s wrong with Quorn (except Quorn bacon)

Last edited 11 months ago by Doug Pingel
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago

Guess I’m a knuckle dragger. I’m really not super interested in the welfare of insects. I’m not running around stepping on spiders or anything, but I just can’t get emotionally invested in the colonial exploitation of insects.

PS. Please stop with the nonsense about coral reefs. For 30 years we’ve been lectured about the Great Barrier Reef on its deathbed. Now we find out it has the greatest coral cover since monitoring started in the ‘80s. No one wants to tell us the good news though. A recent survey found only 3% of Australians even knows this.

Russell Sharpe
Russell Sharpe
11 months ago

I for one am delighted to see this latest division in the ranks of the elite scolds: on the one side those who want both animals and human beings to be fed bugs for the sake of the planet, and on the other the bold pioneers of the bugs’ rights movement.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Russell Sharpe

Funny!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Russell Sharpe

Funny!

Russell Sharpe
Russell Sharpe
11 months ago

I for one am delighted to see this latest division in the ranks of the elite scolds: on the one side those who want both animals and human beings to be fed bugs for the sake of the planet, and on the other the bold pioneers of the bugs’ rights movement.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

‘Deuteronomy 14King James Version
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.”

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

1. What’s classed as abominable? Insects? Liver? Dogs? Frogs? Pigs?
2. If you can’t eat anything that flies, am I not allowed pheasant? Or duck?

Last edited 11 months ago by Billy Bob
Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

There are all sorts of weird food rules in the Bible based on beliefs about food safety from over 2000 years ago. Most of which are now irrelevant – e.g. we seem to be able to eat pork without problems.
I’m sure the Bible has its uses for some people. But probably not as a food safety manual these days.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter B

Right on.

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Peter B

Right on.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

1. What’s classed as abominable? Insects? Liver? Dogs? Frogs? Pigs?
2. If you can’t eat anything that flies, am I not allowed pheasant? Or duck?

Last edited 11 months ago by Billy Bob
Peter B
Peter B
11 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

There are all sorts of weird food rules in the Bible based on beliefs about food safety from over 2000 years ago. Most of which are now irrelevant – e.g. we seem to be able to eat pork without problems.
I’m sure the Bible has its uses for some people. But probably not as a food safety manual these days.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

‘Deuteronomy 14King James Version
For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.
19 And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.”

John Pade
John Pade
11 months ago

We will. They won’t.

John Pade
John Pade
11 months ago

We will. They won’t.

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
11 months ago

Schwab should be the first to be force fed on this.

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
11 months ago

Schwab should be the first to be force fed on this.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

Our Lizard Masters command us to

‘Eat The Bugs’

They would – it is natural for them, well bugs and children, allegedly….

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
11 months ago

Our Lizard Masters command us to

‘Eat The Bugs’

They would – it is natural for them, well bugs and children, allegedly….

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
11 months ago

Not in this household. We are self sufficient for food (full on UK prepper). Insects need not apply – they are ultra processed, the very thing we have moved away from.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
11 months ago

Not in this household. We are self sufficient for food (full on UK prepper). Insects need not apply – they are ultra processed, the very thing we have moved away from.

Kevin Hansen
Kevin Hansen
11 months ago

Bee Wellington anyone? Cockroach au vin perhaps? The possibilities are endless. And it will also put an end to the old joke that begins- ‘ Waiter, there is a fly in my soup.’

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Hansen

Yuk, Yuk!

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago
Reply to  Kevin Hansen

Yuk, Yuk!

Kevin Hansen
Kevin Hansen
11 months ago

Bee Wellington anyone? Cockroach au vin perhaps? The possibilities are endless. And it will also put an end to the old joke that begins- ‘ Waiter, there is a fly in my soup.’

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
11 months ago

This is like something from a Monty Python sketch.
Most people intuitively don’t give two flying figs about the welfare of insects, and this intuition is not something which can simply be rationalised away by clever scientists, whichever arbitrary metric they decide to use – like calculus of insect pain, etc.
It’s embedded in the human experience, and probably an evolved instinct..
At the same time, most people intuitively don’t want to dine on bumblebee flesh

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
11 months ago

This is like something from a Monty Python sketch.
Most people intuitively don’t give two flying figs about the welfare of insects, and this intuition is not something which can simply be rationalised away by clever scientists, whichever arbitrary metric they decide to use – like calculus of insect pain, etc.
It’s embedded in the human experience, and probably an evolved instinct..
At the same time, most people intuitively don’t want to dine on bumblebee flesh

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
11 months ago

Here in rural northern Arizona, I can already find insect-based chips (crisps) at Kroger’s and insect-based hiking bars at Whole Foods. I have tried both and though I find them somewhat bland and pricey, I don’t understand the horror I’m hearing from food faddists who insist that The Gummint is about to force people to eat bugs, or that insects are more “processed,” their latest Bad Word.
To me it’s just another food choice, offered as one alternative in the vast array of comestibles offered at these market chains and all their competitors. Insects are a way of growing protein at a fraction of the environmental footprint of cattle, including requiring almost no water. In these parts, just that last bit is a huge advantage.

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
11 months ago

Here in rural northern Arizona, I can already find insect-based chips (crisps) at Kroger’s and insect-based hiking bars at Whole Foods. I have tried both and though I find them somewhat bland and pricey, I don’t understand the horror I’m hearing from food faddists who insist that The Gummint is about to force people to eat bugs, or that insects are more “processed,” their latest Bad Word.
To me it’s just another food choice, offered as one alternative in the vast array of comestibles offered at these market chains and all their competitors. Insects are a way of growing protein at a fraction of the environmental footprint of cattle, including requiring almost no water. In these parts, just that last bit is a huge advantage.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago

Nothing wrong with eating insects, I’ve had them in Asia and they were tasty enough

Robbie K
Robbie K
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have a problem with this either, especially if it’s for animal feed. What I wouldn’t eat however is an ultra processed product made from derived protien.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Robbie K

I can’t imagine it’s any worse for you than half of the processed rubbish already on the supermarket shelves, especially in the States

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Robbie K

I can’t imagine it’s any worse for you than half of the processed rubbish already on the supermarket shelves, especially in the States

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have an issue with people eating bugs either. Don’t think it’s for me, but if that’s what someone wants, have at it.

Persephone
Persephone
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Meaning “I don’t have a problem with the poor being forced to either eat this stuff or go hungry, but I will object strongly if people of my socio economic class are forced to eat them.” For shame Jim. If it’s not good enough for you, (and it isn’t), then it’s not good enough for anyone else either.
No one wants to eat this stuff. Klaus Scwabb want’s you to eat it; he doesn’t want to eat it himself. If anyone actually wanted to eat this rubbish, they already would be.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Persephone

I don’t believe Jim said anything of the sort. If you don’t want to eat something then don’t eat it, if others are happy eating insects then they’re free to do so. Why would you want to restrict the choices of others simply because you don’t like something?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago
Reply to  Persephone

I don’t believe Jim said anything of the sort. If you don’t want to eat something then don’t eat it, if others are happy eating insects then they’re free to do so. Why would you want to restrict the choices of others simply because you don’t like something?

Persephone
Persephone
11 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Meaning “I don’t have a problem with the poor being forced to either eat this stuff or go hungry, but I will object strongly if people of my socio economic class are forced to eat them.” For shame Jim. If it’s not good enough for you, (and it isn’t), then it’s not good enough for anyone else either.
No one wants to eat this stuff. Klaus Scwabb want’s you to eat it; he doesn’t want to eat it himself. If anyone actually wanted to eat this rubbish, they already would be.

Robbie K
Robbie K
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have a problem with this either, especially if it’s for animal feed. What I wouldn’t eat however is an ultra processed product made from derived protien.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
11 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

I don’t have an issue with people eating bugs either. Don’t think it’s for me, but if that’s what someone wants, have at it.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
11 months ago

Nothing wrong with eating insects, I’ve had them in Asia and they were tasty enough

Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago

No insect has ever become extinct has it? Bees are threatened but there are many bugs, like the common housefly and mosquitoes, that I would happily live without.

Last edited 11 months ago by Clare Knight
Clare Knight
Clare Knight
11 months ago

No insect has ever become extinct has it? Bees are threatened but there are many bugs, like the common housefly and mosquitoes, that I would happily live without.

Last edited 11 months ago by Clare Knight
T Bone
T Bone
11 months ago

This is what happens to a society that hyperrationalizes everything dialectically. It’s just Experts imposing speculative feelings on everything and calling it “Science.” Make no mistake, this is not Empiricism or the Scientific Method. This is Alchemy.

T Bone
T Bone
11 months ago

This is what happens to a society that hyperrationalizes everything dialectically. It’s just Experts imposing speculative feelings on everything and calling it “Science.” Make no mistake, this is not Empiricism or the Scientific Method. This is Alchemy.