Shouldn’t be down to isolated, weak individuals to be brave to cover up for institutional cowardice and failure by politicians and police.
Maansson Hansen
11 months ago
Ceri-Lee is a brave woman. Thank you!
Last edited 11 months ago by Maansson Hansen
Lisa I
11 months ago
This ideology is becoming increasingly dangerous. For anyone who is interested, look up the new hate speech legislation in Ireland. It has a big emphasis on transgender ideology. It has been passed by the lower Parliament and the upper parliament is basically a rubber stamping institution.
The government ran a ‘public consultation’ that was kept under the radar. Despite that, over 70% of the population who responded voiced opposition to it. The government responded by saying that the public’s views may have been hijacked by interest groups. They ignored the public’s views and pressed ahead with the new bill. The irony is that these campaigns are organised and pushed by special interest groups, while the pushback is organic and unorganised.
Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism but our democratically elected government is now rushing to embrace 21st century style authoritarianism. It’s very disturbing. The vast number of politicians are afraid of confronting this tendancy because of the trouble activists cause for people who do so.
It didn’t. That’s anti-Irish hogwash. Ireland was neutral and, as such, maintained diplomatic relations with Germany throughout the war. ‘Diplomatic’ is not a synonym for ‘friendly’. Irish military intelligence cooperated with the Allies. German airmen who came down in Ireland were interned for the duration of the war, while Allied airmen were put on the Holyhead ferry to fight another day. De Valera’s tragic, stupid mistake – which has had a lasting impact on the perception of Ireland’s relationship with Nazi Germany – was to observe the normal protocol for heads of states with which one has diplomatic relations and offer condolences on the death of Hitler.
He was insistent on being publicly neutral in the war. To the extent of offering condolences to the German ambassador on Hitler’s death. Behind the scenes that wasn’t the case. He was a social conservative but but economically more left leaning.
He returned British pow’s pilots who landed in Ireland whereas he imprisoned the German ones. He also passed intelligence to the allies and was trusted with information about D day in advance.
However, the forerunner of the other main political party (Fine Gael) had members that were friendly to fascism. One of whom went on to form a fascist party after he was expelled from Fine Gael. It was considered a bit of an embarrassment at the time.
Britain’s reaction to the Easter Rising single-handedly gave a massive propaganda boost for Sinn Fein and the IRA. As you might recall, Sinn Fein won overwhelmingly in the 1918 Irish elections. No doubt Britain could have held Ireland down by brute force, which had not been the case before in our complex history between the two islands, but would therefore largely ceased to be a liberal democratic state of law, plus a terrorist running sore might have gone on for decades, making the later Northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ seem a tea party in comparison. That game was not worth the candle, as sensible politicians like Churchill and Lloyd George well knew.
It might have gone another way, possibly if the British Liberal Party had meaningfully combatted the Irish Famine. However the long term trajectory is completely clear for anyone for eyes to see: Ireland which while not without its own problems will become a unified nation completely independent of Britain, but hopefully with friendly relations with it.
Britain’s reaction to the Easter Rising single-handedly gave a massive propaganda boost for Sinn Fein and the IRA. As you might recall, Sinn Fein won overwhelmingly in the 1918 Irish elections. No doubt Britain could have held Ireland down by brute force, which had not been the case before in our complex history between the two islands, but would therefore largely ceased to be a liberal democratic state of law, plus a terrorist running sore might have gone on for decades, making the later Northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ seem a tea party in comparison. That game was not worth the candle, as sensible politicians like Churchill and Lloyd George well knew.
It might have gone another way, possibly if the British Liberal Party had meaningfully combatted the Irish Famine. However the long term trajectory is completely clear for anyone for eyes to see: Ireland which while not without its own problems will become a unified nation completely independent of Britain, but hopefully with friendly relations with it.
That might be why Dublin was “accidentally” bombed by Germany after fire crews rushed north to help in Belfast during the Blitz. It also might explain why the Irish Constitution of 1937 explicitly recognized Judaism the year before Kristallnacht. Prior to WWII Ireland relied on multilateral action through the League of Nations without having the means to project power unilaterally. The state condemned Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia in trenchant terms, for instance, but could do little about it on its own.
Ireland is one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in continuous existence in Europe, very much inspired by the model of Britain. The Irish state can be faulted for failing to take in more refugees before the war, and for DeValera’s odious diplomatic formality on passing on condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler. That doesn’t mean Ireland had friendly relations with the Nazis – it executed IRA members who attempted collaboration.
Ireland was officially neutral, so the provision of weather information to the Allies before D-Day remained classified for decades, as well as the permission to overfly Donegal to attack wolf packs in the Atlantic.
Certainly, you could argue that the Irish state ought to have entered the war at the latest when America joined the fight in December 1941, although 50,000 men from southern Ireland did volunteer to fight in Britain, including the youngest Wing Commander in Fighter Command, Brendan Finucane, as well as thousands more in Canadian and American uniform.
It didn’t. That’s anti-Irish hogwash. Ireland was neutral and, as such, maintained diplomatic relations with Germany throughout the war. ‘Diplomatic’ is not a synonym for ‘friendly’. Irish military intelligence cooperated with the Allies. German airmen who came down in Ireland were interned for the duration of the war, while Allied airmen were put on the Holyhead ferry to fight another day. De Valera’s tragic, stupid mistake – which has had a lasting impact on the perception of Ireland’s relationship with Nazi Germany – was to observe the normal protocol for heads of states with which one has diplomatic relations and offer condolences on the death of Hitler.
He was insistent on being publicly neutral in the war. To the extent of offering condolences to the German ambassador on Hitler’s death. Behind the scenes that wasn’t the case. He was a social conservative but but economically more left leaning.
He returned British pow’s pilots who landed in Ireland whereas he imprisoned the German ones. He also passed intelligence to the allies and was trusted with information about D day in advance.
However, the forerunner of the other main political party (Fine Gael) had members that were friendly to fascism. One of whom went on to form a fascist party after he was expelled from Fine Gael. It was considered a bit of an embarrassment at the time.
That might be why Dublin was “accidentally” bombed by Germany after fire crews rushed north to help in Belfast during the Blitz. It also might explain why the Irish Constitution of 1937 explicitly recognized Judaism the year before Kristallnacht. Prior to WWII Ireland relied on multilateral action through the League of Nations without having the means to project power unilaterally. The state condemned Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia in trenchant terms, for instance, but could do little about it on its own.
Ireland is one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in continuous existence in Europe, very much inspired by the model of Britain. The Irish state can be faulted for failing to take in more refugees before the war, and for DeValera’s odious diplomatic formality on passing on condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler. That doesn’t mean Ireland had friendly relations with the Nazis – it executed IRA members who attempted collaboration.
Ireland was officially neutral, so the provision of weather information to the Allies before D-Day remained classified for decades, as well as the permission to overfly Donegal to attack wolf packs in the Atlantic.
Certainly, you could argue that the Irish state ought to have entered the war at the latest when America joined the fight in December 1941, although 50,000 men from southern Ireland did volunteer to fight in Britain, including the youngest Wing Commander in Fighter Command, Brendan Finucane, as well as thousands more in Canadian and American uniform.
“Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism”
The de Valera regime enjoyed friendly relations with the Nazis.
Lisa I
11 months ago
This ideology is becoming increasingly dangerous. For anyone who is interested, look up the new hate speech legislation in Ireland. It has a big emphasis on transgender ideology. It has been passed by the lower Parliament and the upper parliament is basically a rubber stamping institution.
The government ran a ‘public consultation’ that was kept under the radar. Despite that, over 70% of the population who responded voiced opposition to it. The government responded by saying that the public’s views may have been hijacked by interest groups. They ignored the public’s views and pressed ahead with the new bill. The irony is that these campaigns are organised and pushed by special interest groups, while the pushback is organic and unorganised.
Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism but our democratically elected government is now rushing to embrace 21st century style authoritarianism. It’s very disturbing. The vast number of politicians are afraid of confronting this tendancy because of the trouble activists cause for people who do so.
Nuala Rosher
11 months ago
Someone who is on the Sex offenders list should always have his names linked. What is the point in having a police check if offenders can hide like this?
Nuala Rosher
11 months ago
Someone who is on the Sex offenders list should always have his names linked. What is the point in having a police check if offenders can hide like this?
Lesley van Reenen
11 months ago
Just shocking. The rights of law-abiding citizens take a back seat as usual.
Halleluyah for that. I see red when journaliats cave to pressure.
Richard Craven
11 months ago
I’m glad to see that, unlike the Telegraph, Unherd’s columnists refer to these dirty old men using the correct male pronouns.
Jimjim McHale
11 months ago
Unfortunately, reading this made me so angry! I wish people would wake up and start protecting women from these predator males who basically are BULLIES who have found an easy way to continue to bully females in prisons, sports and other venues. If a MAN wants to become a WOMAN, then chop his p***s off – end of story.
It still does not make him a woman. He will always, and can only be, a man. And chopping his px”8s off will not stop a sex abuser from abusing, either sexually or just for the power.
It still does not make him a woman. He will always, and can only be, a man. And chopping his px”8s off will not stop a sex abuser from abusing, either sexually or just for the power.
Why is it “unfortunate” that you felt angry? It’s an entirely appropriate response.
Jimjim McHale
11 months ago
Unfortunately, reading this made me so angry! I wish people would wake up and start protecting women from these predator males who basically are BULLIES who have found an easy way to continue to bully females in prisons, sports and other venues. If a MAN wants to become a WOMAN, then chop his p***s off – end of story.
Nancy G
11 months ago
Just another way in which ‘trans rights’ is a cover for men’s rights.
The above is typical.
The criminals who are treated the worst, by far, when they go to jail….are rapists and child molesters.
Men, even the worst of men, thieves, cons, murderers, loathe those animals.
Whereas, the media, child services, teachers, government officials who were crucial at covering up industrial scale rape by the grooming gangs….were largely female.
The above is typical.
The criminals who are treated the worst, by far, when they go to jail….are rapists and child molesters.
Men, even the worst of men, thieves, cons, murderers, loathe those animals.
Whereas, the media, child services, teachers, government officials who were crucial at covering up industrial scale rape by the grooming gangs….were largely female.
BS.
It wasn’t men who demanded that separate spaces for men and women be dismantled, or that both genders be treated as if there was no difference.
Men, when they were in charge, put in place women’s sports, separate prisons, strict laws for rapists.
The onus for this is entirely on women. It’s just that for decades, men (and boys) were the ones who bore the brunt of feminist ideology- the destruction of male only spaces, legal discrimination based on “gender equality”….
Now women are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they still can’t do the one thing men have to take for granted: being responsible for their own actions.
Amen. It’s unfortunate that non-feminist women are also victims of this but what is happening is a kind of karma. The same tactics modern 3rd wave feminist used to attack men the past 2 decades are now being used on them by these transactivist and the one and only group of people who in the past would have defended the women and been capable of shutting this done is the same group the feminist spent 2 decades tearing down.
You are grandiose. Men are the ones who caused this, and men have repeatedly always posed 100% of the danger to women at any given time, at any given point in history. They have always imposed restrictions upon her and prevented her autonomy. They’ve always made her economic desperation law. Gender ideology at its core is deeply antifeminist. You would know this if you knew anything about feminism or gender ideology.
You are grandiose. Men are the ones who caused this, and men have repeatedly always posed 100% of the danger to women at any given time, at any given point in history. They have always imposed restrictions upon her and prevented her autonomy. They’ve always made her economic desperation law. Gender ideology at its core is deeply antifeminist. You would know this if you knew anything about feminism or gender ideology.
You’ll find NancyG frequently blaming men still for all the woes of the world including the problems that the feminist created because modern 3rd wave feminist women are incapable of accepting accountability. I try to separate the 3rd wave feminist from pre-3rd wave since it is with the 3rd wave that they became a man hating ideology believing that females’ are superior and in some extreme cases arguing for the genocide of men like as if that’s even something they could pull off. Because of our biological imperative to try and make females happy we tolerate a lot of crap including 3rd wave feminism but should they ever foolishly try to do something like commit genocide they’ll quickly find out how tolerant men have been.
In case the feminist try to argue that no such claims of male genocide have been made here’s a story from the DAILY MAIL on just 1 example of this. Yes 3rd wave feminists have argued for killing all men. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-1398499/Controversial-video-resurfaces-woman-declaring-kill-men.html
“Biological imperative to try to make women happy” that’s hilarious. you’re a male supremacist historical revisionist latching onto another anti feminist movement (gender ideology) and citing it as karma and punishment when you’re completely ignorant about how any of the waves of feminism work. you are literally saying random women deserve rape as karma for this imaginary version of feminism that has never physically harmed anyone in the history of the world. get out of here subhuman!
“Biological imperative to try to make women happy” that’s hilarious. you’re a male supremacist historical revisionist latching onto another anti feminist movement (gender ideology) and citing it as karma and punishment when you’re completely ignorant about how any of the waves of feminism work. you are literally saying random women deserve rape as karma for this imaginary version of feminism that has never physically harmed anyone in the history of the world. get out of here subhuman!
There are videos of men’s rights activists from 2013 predicting this entire thing and saying it would result in another patriarchy. Men have wanted to take away feminist law since its inception, there has been CONSTANT backlash from men, to feminism. Read a book.
Amen. It’s unfortunate that non-feminist women are also victims of this but what is happening is a kind of karma. The same tactics modern 3rd wave feminist used to attack men the past 2 decades are now being used on them by these transactivist and the one and only group of people who in the past would have defended the women and been capable of shutting this done is the same group the feminist spent 2 decades tearing down.
You’ll find NancyG frequently blaming men still for all the woes of the world including the problems that the feminist created because modern 3rd wave feminist women are incapable of accepting accountability. I try to separate the 3rd wave feminist from pre-3rd wave since it is with the 3rd wave that they became a man hating ideology believing that females’ are superior and in some extreme cases arguing for the genocide of men like as if that’s even something they could pull off. Because of our biological imperative to try and make females happy we tolerate a lot of crap including 3rd wave feminism but should they ever foolishly try to do something like commit genocide they’ll quickly find out how tolerant men have been.
In case the feminist try to argue that no such claims of male genocide have been made here’s a story from the DAILY MAIL on just 1 example of this. Yes 3rd wave feminists have argued for killing all men. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-1398499/Controversial-video-resurfaces-woman-declaring-kill-men.html
There are videos of men’s rights activists from 2013 predicting this entire thing and saying it would result in another patriarchy. Men have wanted to take away feminist law since its inception, there has been CONSTANT backlash from men, to feminism. Read a book.
That’s a load of crap. Real heterosexual men have nothing do with these loons. Modern 3rd wave feminists are facing a form of karma. After spending 2 decades attacking and tear down heterosexual men they have opened the door, laid the groundwork for transactivism to exist. Were this the pre-2000’s back when men had not yet been torn down by 3rd wave feminist this kind of crap would not have been allowed to evened that initial foothold.
You’re disgusting and stupid, probably worthless. Feminists have been opposing transgenders for 50+ years you illiterate scumbag. Read a book sometime instead of relying on osmosis to understand the historical context of a political and philosophical theory. You look dumb. This individual is a MAN, committing MALE CRIME. You are acting like a male, blaming women for male criminality. There are books you can read. Feminists are not going to spoonfeed you, a male, the truth and you are certainly not going to seek it on your own, vapid puppet. Male criminality is the problem, your ingroup is the perpetrator. Men have always allowed child s*xual assault because they commit it the most. Men are the problem, masculine ideals are the problem. You’re out of touch!
I understand you passion, Sophia, but resorting to verbal abuse does nothing to validate the point you’re trying to make. On the contrary it makes you sound like those you abhor. Perhaps you could suggest book titles in the hopes that those that are ignorant might be open to being educated.
I understand you passion, Sophia, but resorting to verbal abuse does nothing to validate the point you’re trying to make. On the contrary it makes you sound like those you abhor. Perhaps you could suggest book titles in the hopes that those that are ignorant might be open to being educated.
You’re disgusting and stupid, probably worthless. Feminists have been opposing transgenders for 50+ years you illiterate scumbag. Read a book sometime instead of relying on osmosis to understand the historical context of a political and philosophical theory. You look dumb. This individual is a MAN, committing MALE CRIME. You are acting like a male, blaming women for male criminality. There are books you can read. Feminists are not going to spoonfeed you, a male, the truth and you are certainly not going to seek it on your own, vapid puppet. Male criminality is the problem, your ingroup is the perpetrator. Men have always allowed child s*xual assault because they commit it the most. Men are the problem, masculine ideals are the problem. You’re out of touch!
BS.
It wasn’t men who demanded that separate spaces for men and women be dismantled, or that both genders be treated as if there was no difference.
Men, when they were in charge, put in place women’s sports, separate prisons, strict laws for rapists.
The onus for this is entirely on women. It’s just that for decades, men (and boys) were the ones who bore the brunt of feminist ideology- the destruction of male only spaces, legal discrimination based on “gender equality”….
Now women are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they still can’t do the one thing men have to take for granted: being responsible for their own actions.
That’s a load of crap. Real heterosexual men have nothing do with these loons. Modern 3rd wave feminists are facing a form of karma. After spending 2 decades attacking and tear down heterosexual men they have opened the door, laid the groundwork for transactivism to exist. Were this the pre-2000’s back when men had not yet been torn down by 3rd wave feminist this kind of crap would not have been allowed to evened that initial foothold.
There’s no such thing as ‘the Deed Poll system’ so, no.
Edward H
11 months ago
The Deed Poll system and the DBS system aren’t linked‽
Marissa M
11 months ago
Dear god.
Pedophile? Transgender?
Just call him a filthy psychopath and be done with it
Marissa M
11 months ago
Dear god.
Pedophile? Transgender?
Just call him a filthy psychopath and be done with it
David Pogge
11 months ago
This is what you get when you insist that people deny reality. Men are men, and women are women. This is reality. That there are some men who are plagued by the idea or ‘feeling’ that they are really a woman, or women who are troubled by the notion that they are men, is a mental abnormality – a delusional idea. That they suffer from a delusion is a problem. That they should be helped with their problem is quite reasonable and humane. However, pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that the problem is not a problem and reality is not reality does not help the person with the delusion and it forces a falsehood on those who do not have the delusion. Accusing people who hold onto reality of having a ‘phobia’ or of being bigots does not change reality. It is merely a method of trying to threaten or punish them into submission. Until we recognize this, no one will benefit from the strange corner we have painted ourselves into.
David Pogge
11 months ago
This is what you get when you insist that people deny reality. Men are men, and women are women. This is reality. That there are some men who are plagued by the idea or ‘feeling’ that they are really a woman, or women who are troubled by the notion that they are men, is a mental abnormality – a delusional idea. That they suffer from a delusion is a problem. That they should be helped with their problem is quite reasonable and humane. However, pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that the problem is not a problem and reality is not reality does not help the person with the delusion and it forces a falsehood on those who do not have the delusion. Accusing people who hold onto reality of having a ‘phobia’ or of being bigots does not change reality. It is merely a method of trying to threaten or punish them into submission. Until we recognize this, no one will benefit from the strange corner we have painted ourselves into.
Andrew cairns
11 months ago
Good luck ceri Lee I hope you achieve everything you can in life and more
Andrew cairns
11 months ago
Good luck ceri Lee I hope you achieve everything you can in life and more
Julian Pellatt
11 months ago
Majority rights no longer exist. Human rights lawyers and university academics (the long march through the institutions) have perverted, subverted and inverted normality to undermine and destroy western democratic traditions, notably the nuclear family.
The Woking Class rules! And we, the ordinary, decent majority, seem powerless to overthrow it.
Surely by “majority rights” you mean WOMENS RIGHTS. That is what this trans movement is a reaction against. That is what this trans movement is successfully destroying. WOMENS RIGHTS.
Surely by “majority rights” you mean WOMENS RIGHTS. That is what this trans movement is a reaction against. That is what this trans movement is successfully destroying. WOMENS RIGHTS.
Julian Pellatt
11 months ago
Majority rights no longer exist. Human rights lawyers and university academics (the long march through the institutions) have perverted, subverted and inverted normality to undermine and destroy western democratic traditions, notably the nuclear family.
The Woking Class rules! And we, the ordinary, decent majority, seem powerless to overthrow it.
Charles Stanhope
11 months ago
No wonder both the Ancient Greeks and Romans performed all their great athletic events GYMNOS.*
The Romans went even further with their great Baths (Thermae). No chance of ‘gender bending’ here.
Sadly the advent of Semitic Christianity meant the great ‘cover up’, and thus the genesis of the sexually neurotic behaviour that has plagued the Western world ever since.
Christianity’s issue here comes from Jesus’ line about ‘if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Hence the paradox that you do not see much guilt about homosexual sex in Arab countries, with flirtation set to stratospheric levels.
They’re scared of societal disapproval, but don’t seem internally crippled by over-analysis of their inclinations.
When Muslims come to the West, that changes. The over-analysis prompted by Christ’s saying became a central tenet of the new religion of Therapy.
Maybe I need another coffee this morning, but I’m not sure what point you’re making. At least, I very much hope that what I suspect you’re saying is a misunderstanding.
Well, and to put you out of your misery, my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West, and one from which we have yet to fully recover, as Ms Bindel’s essay so clearly illustrates.
Didn’t literacy in England and much of northwestern Europe increase only once Charlemagne “pulled a Constantine” several centuries years later and spread Christianity by the sword?
I see. Luther’s influence was also related to Gutenberg’s innovation. Bibles in the home seem to represent a societal net negative for you, but they were often the pivotal factor in literacy among peasants or commoners. In the US too, where many pre-Civil War homes had only a Bible and maybe Pilgrim’s Progress.
Or perhaps this Ist century inscription to a wonder-dog named Margarita or Pearl in English.
‘Gaul gave me my birth and the pearl-oyster from the seas full of treasure my name, an honour fitting to my beauty. I was trained to run boldly through strange forests and to hunt out furry wild beasts in the hills never accustomed to be held by heavy chains nor endure cruel beatings on my snow-white body. I used to lie on the soft lap of my master and mistress and knew to go to bed when tired on my spread mattress and I did not speak more than allowed as a dog, given a silent mouth No-one was scared by my barking but now I have been overcome by death from an ill-fated birth and earth has covered me beneath this small piece of marble.’
MARGARITA *
(* Held in the British Museum. Original inscription to be found at
CIL VI/ Inscriptiones urbis Romae Latinae. (29896.)
Or perhaps this Ist century inscription to a wonder-dog named Margarita or Pearl in English.
‘Gaul gave me my birth and the pearl-oyster from the seas full of treasure my name, an honour fitting to my beauty. I was trained to run boldly through strange forests and to hunt out furry wild beasts in the hills never accustomed to be held by heavy chains nor endure cruel beatings on my snow-white body. I used to lie on the soft lap of my master and mistress and knew to go to bed when tired on my spread mattress and I did not speak more than allowed as a dog, given a silent mouth No-one was scared by my barking but now I have been overcome by death from an ill-fated birth and earth has covered me beneath this small piece of marble.’
MARGARITA *
(* Held in the British Museum. Original inscription to be found at
CIL VI/ Inscriptiones urbis Romae Latinae. (29896.)
I see. Luther’s influence was also related to Gutenberg’s innovation. Bibles in the home seem to represent a societal net negative for you, but they were often the pivotal factor in literacy among peasants or commoners. In the US too, where many pre-Civil War homes had only a Bible and maybe Pilgrim’s Progress.
“my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West”
News to me that it was destroyed. For 1500 years the RCC venerated Aristotle to the point that disagreeing with him was heresy — scribes spent most of their time transcribing the ancient Greeks and Romans. Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects in university. Until the dawn of wokeness most Western public buildings were designed to look like Greek temples.
Of course the civilization itself was destroyed, but not without ongoing influence and vital, enduring remnants. Didn’t medieval scribes copy biblical books more often, sometimes erasing or writing over Classical authors? After the revival of the early-Renaissance, weren’t they still engaged largely with copying authors such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, in addition to the Bible–more so than Aristotle or Cicero, etc.?
Las Vegas casinos are made to (crassly) imitate Roman and Egyptian buildings: Does that represent an unbroken continuation of those civilizations?
I don’t mean to dismiss your point concerning the enduring legacy altogether, but I think the scale and details are off the mark.
The RCC certainly attempted to claim that it was the heir to Rome, but actually was no more than a rather crude veneer.
Attempts to shoehorn Aristotle into Christianity were just ridiculous, even if they did stem from some form of misplaced veneration.
Even the teaching of ‘Greats’ at Oxford had to be accomplished through the miasma of Christianity, and thus was an impossibility, given that Christianity demands ‘faith’ from day one.
Additionally making Greek and Latin mandatory at a University did NOT guarantee any real understanding of Classical Civilisation, but was more of an exercise in ‘clever’ linguistics.
New topics emerge as the discussion unfolds and this place is one the few non-dark-web/deep-rabbit-hole spots that’ll let you ramble on. In other words, unless it really matters: Let the boys be boys.
New topics emerge as the discussion unfolds and this place is one the few non-dark-web/deep-rabbit-hole spots that’ll let you ramble on. In other words, unless it really matters: Let the boys be boys.
Of course the civilization itself was destroyed, but not without ongoing influence and vital, enduring remnants. Didn’t medieval scribes copy biblical books more often, sometimes erasing or writing over Classical authors? After the revival of the early-Renaissance, weren’t they still engaged largely with copying authors such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, in addition to the Bible–more so than Aristotle or Cicero, etc.?
Las Vegas casinos are made to (crassly) imitate Roman and Egyptian buildings: Does that represent an unbroken continuation of those civilizations?
I don’t mean to dismiss your point concerning the enduring legacy altogether, but I think the scale and details are off the mark.
The RCC certainly attempted to claim that it was the heir to Rome, but actually was no more than a rather crude veneer.
Attempts to shoehorn Aristotle into Christianity were just ridiculous, even if they did stem from some form of misplaced veneration.
Even the teaching of ‘Greats’ at Oxford had to be accomplished through the miasma of Christianity, and thus was an impossibility, given that Christianity demands ‘faith’ from day one.
Additionally making Greek and Latin mandatory at a University did NOT guarantee any real understanding of Classical Civilisation, but was more of an exercise in ‘clever’ linguistics.
Didn’t literacy in England and much of northwestern Europe increase only once Charlemagne “pulled a Constantine” several centuries years later and spread Christianity by the sword?
“my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West”
News to me that it was destroyed. For 1500 years the RCC venerated Aristotle to the point that disagreeing with him was heresy — scribes spent most of their time transcribing the ancient Greeks and Romans. Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects in university. Until the dawn of wokeness most Western public buildings were designed to look like Greek temples.
Well, and to put you out of your misery, my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West, and one from which we have yet to fully recover, as Ms Bindel’s essay so clearly illustrates.
Christianity’s issue here comes from Jesus’ line about ‘if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Hence the paradox that you do not see much guilt about homosexual sex in Arab countries, with flirtation set to stratospheric levels.
They’re scared of societal disapproval, but don’t seem internally crippled by over-analysis of their inclinations.
When Muslims come to the West, that changes. The over-analysis prompted by Christ’s saying became a central tenet of the new religion of Therapy.
Maybe I need another coffee this morning, but I’m not sure what point you’re making. At least, I very much hope that what I suspect you’re saying is a misunderstanding.
The mind boggles at the thought of you shuffling down the high street, naked, Charles.
Charles Stanhope
11 months ago
No wonder both the Ancient Greeks and Romans performed all their great athletic events GYMNOS.*
The Romans went even further with their great Baths (Thermae). No chance of ‘gender bending’ here.
Sadly the advent of Semitic Christianity meant the great ‘cover up’, and thus the genesis of the sexually neurotic behaviour that has plagued the Western world ever since.
“Sic Gloria Transit Mundi”.
(*Naked.)
Nicky Samengo-Turner
11 months ago
Any relation to Ted? I’m suprised the Bundy family are not in US politics?
Nicky Samengo-Turner
11 months ago
Any relation to Ted? I’m suprised the Bundy family are not in US politics?
Betsy Warrior
11 months ago
I wish people would stick to the subject instead of using this forum to try to impress others with dubious posturing.
To the point:
I can’t understand why people keep claiming that transcismen, generally, are equally violent to the average male. Yet Transcismen are three times more likely to join the military, apparently seeing organized violence as an answer to national desputes. For such a tiny minority of the population transcismen seem to commit a disproportionate amount of crime. From the evidence it would seem that transcismen are more violent than the average male.
It’s not “people” who aren’t staying on topic it’s men. You know the old “my brain is bigger than your brain” thing.
Betsy Warrior
11 months ago
I wish people would stick to the subject instead of using this forum to try to impress others with dubious posturing.
To the point:
I can’t understand why people keep claiming that transcismen, generally, are equally violent to the average male. Yet Transcismen are three times more likely to join the military, apparently seeing organized violence as an answer to national desputes. For such a tiny minority of the population transcismen seem to commit a disproportionate amount of crime. From the evidence it would seem that transcismen are more violent than the average male.
Benedict Waterson
11 months ago
I thought that Truss blocked thus kind of self-ID in the UK?
What no-one seems to appreciate is that the Gender Recognition Act (coupled with the Equality Act) effectively IS self id.
Protection is provided from the moment someone declares they are entering or intend to enter the GR process not just from when they receive a Certificate.
What no-one seems to appreciate is that the Gender Recognition Act (coupled with the Equality Act) effectively IS self id.
Protection is provided from the moment someone declares they are entering or intend to enter the GR process not just from when they receive a Certificate.
Benedict Waterson
11 months ago
I thought that Truss blocked thus kind of self-ID in the UK?
Clare Knight
10 months ago
It would seem that the extreme trans problems are in the UK rather than than in the US, which is surprising since the US is a country of extremes. I assume is because the UK is more tolerant.
Clare Knight
10 months ago
It would seem that the extreme trans problems are in the UK rather than than in the US, which is surprising since the US is a country of extremes. I assume is because the UK is more tolerant.
Ceri-Lee is a brave woman. Thank you!
Agreed . And JB is right to high-light these protection episodes
Shouldn’t be down to isolated, weak individuals to be brave to cover up for institutional cowardice and failure by politicians and police.
Perhaps you mean vulnerable rather than weak.
The amount of misogyny coming off the men in this comments section is appalling. Horrifying. Disgusting.
The amount of misogyny coming off the men in this comments section is appalling. Horrifying. Disgusting.
Perhaps you mean vulnerable rather than weak.
Agreed . And JB is right to high-light these protection episodes
Shouldn’t be down to isolated, weak individuals to be brave to cover up for institutional cowardice and failure by politicians and police.
Ceri-Lee is a brave woman. Thank you!
This ideology is becoming increasingly dangerous. For anyone who is interested, look up the new hate speech legislation in Ireland. It has a big emphasis on transgender ideology. It has been passed by the lower Parliament and the upper parliament is basically a rubber stamping institution.
The government ran a ‘public consultation’ that was kept under the radar. Despite that, over 70% of the population who responded voiced opposition to it. The government responded by saying that the public’s views may have been hijacked by interest groups. They ignored the public’s views and pressed ahead with the new bill. The irony is that these campaigns are organised and pushed by special interest groups, while the pushback is organic and unorganised.
Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism but our democratically elected government is now rushing to embrace 21st century style authoritarianism. It’s very disturbing. The vast number of politicians are afraid of confronting this tendancy because of the trouble activists cause for people who do so.
“Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism”
The de Valera regime enjoyed friendly relations with the Nazis.
It didn’t. That’s anti-Irish hogwash. Ireland was neutral and, as such, maintained diplomatic relations with Germany throughout the war. ‘Diplomatic’ is not a synonym for ‘friendly’. Irish military intelligence cooperated with the Allies. German airmen who came down in Ireland were interned for the duration of the war, while Allied airmen were put on the Holyhead ferry to fight another day. De Valera’s tragic, stupid mistake – which has had a lasting impact on the perception of Ireland’s relationship with Nazi Germany – was to observe the normal protocol for heads of states with which one has diplomatic relations and offer condolences on the death of Hitler.
He was insistent on being publicly neutral in the war. To the extent of offering condolences to the German ambassador on Hitler’s death. Behind the scenes that wasn’t the case. He was a social conservative but but economically more left leaning.
He returned British pow’s pilots who landed in Ireland whereas he imprisoned the German ones. He also passed intelligence to the allies and was trusted with information about D day in advance.
However, the forerunner of the other main political party (Fine Gael) had members that were friendly to fascism. One of whom went on to form a fascist party after he was expelled from Fine Gael. It was considered a bit of an embarrassment at the time.
We should have shot de Valera in 1916, along with the others.
Even now I gather a British Circuit Judge has lectured on the subject saying we went OTT in 1916, which obviously wasn’t the case.
What does all this have to do with the topic?
Britain’s reaction to the Easter Rising single-handedly gave a massive propaganda boost for Sinn Fein and the IRA. As you might recall, Sinn Fein won overwhelmingly in the 1918 Irish elections. No doubt Britain could have held Ireland down by brute force, which had not been the case before in our complex history between the two islands, but would therefore largely ceased to be a liberal democratic state of law, plus a terrorist running sore might have gone on for decades, making the later Northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ seem a tea party in comparison. That game was not worth the candle, as sensible politicians like Churchill and Lloyd George well knew.
It might have gone another way, possibly if the British Liberal Party had meaningfully combatted the Irish Famine. However the long term trajectory is completely clear for anyone for eyes to see: Ireland which while not without its own problems will become a unified nation completely independent of Britain, but hopefully with friendly relations with it.
What does all this have to do with the topic?
Britain’s reaction to the Easter Rising single-handedly gave a massive propaganda boost for Sinn Fein and the IRA. As you might recall, Sinn Fein won overwhelmingly in the 1918 Irish elections. No doubt Britain could have held Ireland down by brute force, which had not been the case before in our complex history between the two islands, but would therefore largely ceased to be a liberal democratic state of law, plus a terrorist running sore might have gone on for decades, making the later Northern Ireland ‘Troubles’ seem a tea party in comparison. That game was not worth the candle, as sensible politicians like Churchill and Lloyd George well knew.
It might have gone another way, possibly if the British Liberal Party had meaningfully combatted the Irish Famine. However the long term trajectory is completely clear for anyone for eyes to see: Ireland which while not without its own problems will become a unified nation completely independent of Britain, but hopefully with friendly relations with it.
That might be why Dublin was “accidentally” bombed by Germany after fire crews rushed north to help in Belfast during the Blitz. It also might explain why the Irish Constitution of 1937 explicitly recognized Judaism the year before Kristallnacht. Prior to WWII Ireland relied on multilateral action through the League of Nations without having the means to project power unilaterally. The state condemned Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia in trenchant terms, for instance, but could do little about it on its own.
Ireland is one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in continuous existence in Europe, very much inspired by the model of Britain. The Irish state can be faulted for failing to take in more refugees before the war, and for DeValera’s odious diplomatic formality on passing on condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler. That doesn’t mean Ireland had friendly relations with the Nazis – it executed IRA members who attempted collaboration.
Ireland was officially neutral, so the provision of weather information to the Allies before D-Day remained classified for decades, as well as the permission to overfly Donegal to attack wolf packs in the Atlantic.
Certainly, you could argue that the Irish state ought to have entered the war at the latest when America joined the fight in December 1941, although 50,000 men from southern Ireland did volunteer to fight in Britain, including the youngest Wing Commander in Fighter Command, Brendan Finucane, as well as thousands more in Canadian and American uniform.
A truly ridiculous comment, which others have answered.
It didn’t. That’s anti-Irish hogwash. Ireland was neutral and, as such, maintained diplomatic relations with Germany throughout the war. ‘Diplomatic’ is not a synonym for ‘friendly’. Irish military intelligence cooperated with the Allies. German airmen who came down in Ireland were interned for the duration of the war, while Allied airmen were put on the Holyhead ferry to fight another day. De Valera’s tragic, stupid mistake – which has had a lasting impact on the perception of Ireland’s relationship with Nazi Germany – was to observe the normal protocol for heads of states with which one has diplomatic relations and offer condolences on the death of Hitler.
He was insistent on being publicly neutral in the war. To the extent of offering condolences to the German ambassador on Hitler’s death. Behind the scenes that wasn’t the case. He was a social conservative but but economically more left leaning.
He returned British pow’s pilots who landed in Ireland whereas he imprisoned the German ones. He also passed intelligence to the allies and was trusted with information about D day in advance.
However, the forerunner of the other main political party (Fine Gael) had members that were friendly to fascism. One of whom went on to form a fascist party after he was expelled from Fine Gael. It was considered a bit of an embarrassment at the time.
We should have shot de Valera in 1916, along with the others.
Even now I gather a British Circuit Judge has lectured on the subject saying we went OTT in 1916, which obviously wasn’t the case.
That might be why Dublin was “accidentally” bombed by Germany after fire crews rushed north to help in Belfast during the Blitz. It also might explain why the Irish Constitution of 1937 explicitly recognized Judaism the year before Kristallnacht. Prior to WWII Ireland relied on multilateral action through the League of Nations without having the means to project power unilaterally. The state condemned Mussolini’s invasion of Abyssinia in trenchant terms, for instance, but could do little about it on its own.
Ireland is one of the oldest parliamentary democracies in continuous existence in Europe, very much inspired by the model of Britain. The Irish state can be faulted for failing to take in more refugees before the war, and for DeValera’s odious diplomatic formality on passing on condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler. That doesn’t mean Ireland had friendly relations with the Nazis – it executed IRA members who attempted collaboration.
Ireland was officially neutral, so the provision of weather information to the Allies before D-Day remained classified for decades, as well as the permission to overfly Donegal to attack wolf packs in the Atlantic.
Certainly, you could argue that the Irish state ought to have entered the war at the latest when America joined the fight in December 1941, although 50,000 men from southern Ireland did volunteer to fight in Britain, including the youngest Wing Commander in Fighter Command, Brendan Finucane, as well as thousands more in Canadian and American uniform.
A truly ridiculous comment, which others have answered.
“Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism”
The de Valera regime enjoyed friendly relations with the Nazis.
This ideology is becoming increasingly dangerous. For anyone who is interested, look up the new hate speech legislation in Ireland. It has a big emphasis on transgender ideology. It has been passed by the lower Parliament and the upper parliament is basically a rubber stamping institution.
The government ran a ‘public consultation’ that was kept under the radar. Despite that, over 70% of the population who responded voiced opposition to it. The government responded by saying that the public’s views may have been hijacked by interest groups. They ignored the public’s views and pressed ahead with the new bill. The irony is that these campaigns are organised and pushed by special interest groups, while the pushback is organic and unorganised.
Ireland, (like Britain) avoided 20th century fascism and communism but our democratically elected government is now rushing to embrace 21st century style authoritarianism. It’s very disturbing. The vast number of politicians are afraid of confronting this tendancy because of the trouble activists cause for people who do so.
Someone who is on the Sex offenders list should always have his names linked. What is the point in having a police check if offenders can hide like this?
Someone who is on the Sex offenders list should always have his names linked. What is the point in having a police check if offenders can hide like this?
Just shocking. The rights of law-abiding citizens take a back seat as usual.
The rights of WOMEN take a back seat as usual.
The rights of WOMEN take a back seat as usual.
Just shocking. The rights of law-abiding citizens take a back seat as usual.
I’m glad to see that, unlike the Telegraph, Unherd’s columnists refer to these dirty old men using the correct male pronouns.
Halleluyah for that. I see red when journaliats cave to pressure.
Halleluyah for that. I see red when journaliats cave to pressure.
I’m glad to see that, unlike the Telegraph, Unherd’s columnists refer to these dirty old men using the correct male pronouns.
Unfortunately, reading this made me so angry! I wish people would wake up and start protecting women from these predator males who basically are BULLIES who have found an easy way to continue to bully females in prisons, sports and other venues. If a MAN wants to become a WOMAN, then chop his p***s off – end of story.
It still does not make him a woman. He will always, and can only be, a man. And chopping his px”8s off will not stop a sex abuser from abusing, either sexually or just for the power.
Sure as Hell tests his resolve and sincerity though! 🙂
Oh, he won’t be chopping his p**is off, trust me. He’ll just bung a bad wig on his head and a pair of leggings.
Sure as Hell tests his resolve and sincerity though! 🙂
Oh, he won’t be chopping his p**is off, trust me. He’ll just bung a bad wig on his head and a pair of leggings.
Why is it “unfortunate” that you felt angry? It’s an entirely appropriate response.
It still does not make him a woman. He will always, and can only be, a man. And chopping his px”8s off will not stop a sex abuser from abusing, either sexually or just for the power.
Why is it “unfortunate” that you felt angry? It’s an entirely appropriate response.
Unfortunately, reading this made me so angry! I wish people would wake up and start protecting women from these predator males who basically are BULLIES who have found an easy way to continue to bully females in prisons, sports and other venues. If a MAN wants to become a WOMAN, then chop his p***s off – end of story.
Just another way in which ‘trans rights’ is a cover for men’s rights.
No. Not “men’s rights at all.
“Perverts’ rights”, certainly.
The above is typical.
The criminals who are treated the worst, by far, when they go to jail….are rapists and child molesters.
Men, even the worst of men, thieves, cons, murderers, loathe those animals.
Whereas, the media, child services, teachers, government officials who were crucial at covering up industrial scale rape by the grooming gangs….were largely female.
Do you know that for a fact? What is the source of that comment?
Women are not to blame for the crimes committed against them by men. You need to do some serious self reflection, sir.
Do you know that for a fact? What is the source of that comment?
Women are not to blame for the crimes committed against them by men. You need to do some serious self reflection, sir.
The above is typical.
The criminals who are treated the worst, by far, when they go to jail….are rapists and child molesters.
Men, even the worst of men, thieves, cons, murderers, loathe those animals.
Whereas, the media, child services, teachers, government officials who were crucial at covering up industrial scale rape by the grooming gangs….were largely female.
BS.
It wasn’t men who demanded that separate spaces for men and women be dismantled, or that both genders be treated as if there was no difference.
Men, when they were in charge, put in place women’s sports, separate prisons, strict laws for rapists.
The onus for this is entirely on women. It’s just that for decades, men (and boys) were the ones who bore the brunt of feminist ideology- the destruction of male only spaces, legal discrimination based on “gender equality”….
Now women are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they still can’t do the one thing men have to take for granted: being responsible for their own actions.
Amen. It’s unfortunate that non-feminist women are also victims of this but what is happening is a kind of karma. The same tactics modern 3rd wave feminist used to attack men the past 2 decades are now being used on them by these transactivist and the one and only group of people who in the past would have defended the women and been capable of shutting this done is the same group the feminist spent 2 decades tearing down.
You are grandiose. Men are the ones who caused this, and men have repeatedly always posed 100% of the danger to women at any given time, at any given point in history. They have always imposed restrictions upon her and prevented her autonomy. They’ve always made her economic desperation law. Gender ideology at its core is deeply antifeminist. You would know this if you knew anything about feminism or gender ideology.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Rubbish.
You are grandiose. Men are the ones who caused this, and men have repeatedly always posed 100% of the danger to women at any given time, at any given point in history. They have always imposed restrictions upon her and prevented her autonomy. They’ve always made her economic desperation law. Gender ideology at its core is deeply antifeminist. You would know this if you knew anything about feminism or gender ideology.
Rubbish.
You’ll find NancyG frequently blaming men still for all the woes of the world including the problems that the feminist created because modern 3rd wave feminist women are incapable of accepting accountability. I try to separate the 3rd wave feminist from pre-3rd wave since it is with the 3rd wave that they became a man hating ideology believing that females’ are superior and in some extreme cases arguing for the genocide of men like as if that’s even something they could pull off. Because of our biological imperative to try and make females happy we tolerate a lot of crap including 3rd wave feminism but should they ever foolishly try to do something like commit genocide they’ll quickly find out how tolerant men have been.
In case the feminist try to argue that no such claims of male genocide have been made here’s a story from the DAILY MAIL on just 1 example of this. Yes 3rd wave feminists have argued for killing all men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-1398499/Controversial-video-resurfaces-woman-declaring-kill-men.html
“Biological imperative to try to make women happy” that’s hilarious. you’re a male supremacist historical revisionist latching onto another anti feminist movement (gender ideology) and citing it as karma and punishment when you’re completely ignorant about how any of the waves of feminism work. you are literally saying random women deserve rape as karma for this imaginary version of feminism that has never physically harmed anyone in the history of the world. get out of here subhuman!
One story from the daily Mail!! One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
“Biological imperative to try to make women happy” that’s hilarious. you’re a male supremacist historical revisionist latching onto another anti feminist movement (gender ideology) and citing it as karma and punishment when you’re completely ignorant about how any of the waves of feminism work. you are literally saying random women deserve rape as karma for this imaginary version of feminism that has never physically harmed anyone in the history of the world. get out of here subhuman!
One story from the daily Mail!! One swallow doesn’t make a summer.
There are videos of men’s rights activists from 2013 predicting this entire thing and saying it would result in another patriarchy. Men have wanted to take away feminist law since its inception, there has been CONSTANT backlash from men, to feminism. Read a book.
Again, is this a fact or just a biased comment?
Amen. It’s unfortunate that non-feminist women are also victims of this but what is happening is a kind of karma. The same tactics modern 3rd wave feminist used to attack men the past 2 decades are now being used on them by these transactivist and the one and only group of people who in the past would have defended the women and been capable of shutting this done is the same group the feminist spent 2 decades tearing down.
You’ll find NancyG frequently blaming men still for all the woes of the world including the problems that the feminist created because modern 3rd wave feminist women are incapable of accepting accountability. I try to separate the 3rd wave feminist from pre-3rd wave since it is with the 3rd wave that they became a man hating ideology believing that females’ are superior and in some extreme cases arguing for the genocide of men like as if that’s even something they could pull off. Because of our biological imperative to try and make females happy we tolerate a lot of crap including 3rd wave feminism but should they ever foolishly try to do something like commit genocide they’ll quickly find out how tolerant men have been.
In case the feminist try to argue that no such claims of male genocide have been made here’s a story from the DAILY MAIL on just 1 example of this. Yes 3rd wave feminists have argued for killing all men.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/femail/video-1398499/Controversial-video-resurfaces-woman-declaring-kill-men.html
There are videos of men’s rights activists from 2013 predicting this entire thing and saying it would result in another patriarchy. Men have wanted to take away feminist law since its inception, there has been CONSTANT backlash from men, to feminism. Read a book.
Again, is this a fact or just a biased comment?
That’s a load of crap. Real heterosexual men have nothing do with these loons. Modern 3rd wave feminists are facing a form of karma. After spending 2 decades attacking and tear down heterosexual men they have opened the door, laid the groundwork for transactivism to exist. Were this the pre-2000’s back when men had not yet been torn down by 3rd wave feminist this kind of crap would not have been allowed to evened that initial foothold.
You’re disgusting and stupid, probably worthless. Feminists have been opposing transgenders for 50+ years you illiterate scumbag. Read a book sometime instead of relying on osmosis to understand the historical context of a political and philosophical theory. You look dumb. This individual is a MAN, committing MALE CRIME. You are acting like a male, blaming women for male criminality. There are books you can read. Feminists are not going to spoonfeed you, a male, the truth and you are certainly not going to seek it on your own, vapid puppet. Male criminality is the problem, your ingroup is the perpetrator. Men have always allowed child s*xual assault because they commit it the most. Men are the problem, masculine ideals are the problem. You’re out of touch!
I understand you passion, Sophia, but resorting to verbal abuse does nothing to validate the point you’re trying to make. On the contrary it makes you sound like those you abhor. Perhaps you could suggest book titles in the hopes that those that are ignorant might be open to being educated.
I understand you passion, Sophia, but resorting to verbal abuse does nothing to validate the point you’re trying to make. On the contrary it makes you sound like those you abhor. Perhaps you could suggest book titles in the hopes that those that are ignorant might be open to being educated.
Would a “real man” be so easily beaten down?
These loons are real heterosexual men. That’s the point.
You’re disgusting and stupid, probably worthless. Feminists have been opposing transgenders for 50+ years you illiterate scumbag. Read a book sometime instead of relying on osmosis to understand the historical context of a political and philosophical theory. You look dumb. This individual is a MAN, committing MALE CRIME. You are acting like a male, blaming women for male criminality. There are books you can read. Feminists are not going to spoonfeed you, a male, the truth and you are certainly not going to seek it on your own, vapid puppet. Male criminality is the problem, your ingroup is the perpetrator. Men have always allowed child s*xual assault because they commit it the most. Men are the problem, masculine ideals are the problem. You’re out of touch!
Would a “real man” be so easily beaten down?
These loons are real heterosexual men. That’s the point.
Aint that the truth!
No. Not “men’s rights at all.
“Perverts’ rights”, certainly.
BS.
It wasn’t men who demanded that separate spaces for men and women be dismantled, or that both genders be treated as if there was no difference.
Men, when they were in charge, put in place women’s sports, separate prisons, strict laws for rapists.
The onus for this is entirely on women. It’s just that for decades, men (and boys) were the ones who bore the brunt of feminist ideology- the destruction of male only spaces, legal discrimination based on “gender equality”….
Now women are getting a taste of their own medicine, and they still can’t do the one thing men have to take for granted: being responsible for their own actions.
That’s a load of crap. Real heterosexual men have nothing do with these loons. Modern 3rd wave feminists are facing a form of karma. After spending 2 decades attacking and tear down heterosexual men they have opened the door, laid the groundwork for transactivism to exist. Were this the pre-2000’s back when men had not yet been torn down by 3rd wave feminist this kind of crap would not have been allowed to evened that initial foothold.
Aint that the truth!
Just another way in which ‘trans rights’ is a cover for men’s rights.
Thanks, JB, for another excellent article.
Thanks, JB, for another excellent article.
P… Off pretentious individuals and stick to the point.What is happening is an outrage – in real – not intellectual, show off time.
P… Off pretentious individuals and stick to the point.What is happening is an outrage – in real – not intellectual, show off time.
The Deed Poll system and the DBS system aren’t linked‽
Joined up government , anyone ?
When you have a spare hour, please read this report by Keep Prisons Single Sex on how the DBS procedure has been corrupted by soi disant “gender recognition”. It beggars belief.
https://kpssinfo.org/dbs-checks-and-identity-verification-pdf/
I think it’s more a case they’re not allowed to be linked (as pointed out in Julie’s article).
Exactly! There has got to be some way to connect the two, especially in terms of sex change naming.
never heard of an Aston Martin deed poll….
There’s no such thing as ‘the Deed Poll system’ so, no.
Joined up government , anyone ?
When you have a spare hour, please read this report by Keep Prisons Single Sex on how the DBS procedure has been corrupted by soi disant “gender recognition”. It beggars belief.
https://kpssinfo.org/dbs-checks-and-identity-verification-pdf/
I think it’s more a case they’re not allowed to be linked (as pointed out in Julie’s article).
Exactly! There has got to be some way to connect the two, especially in terms of sex change naming.
never heard of an Aston Martin deed poll….
There’s no such thing as ‘the Deed Poll system’ so, no.
The Deed Poll system and the DBS system aren’t linked‽
Dear god.
Pedophile? Transgender?
Just call him a filthy psychopath and be done with it
Dear god.
Pedophile? Transgender?
Just call him a filthy psychopath and be done with it
This is what you get when you insist that people deny reality. Men are men, and women are women. This is reality. That there are some men who are plagued by the idea or ‘feeling’ that they are really a woman, or women who are troubled by the notion that they are men, is a mental abnormality – a delusional idea. That they suffer from a delusion is a problem. That they should be helped with their problem is quite reasonable and humane. However, pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that the problem is not a problem and reality is not reality does not help the person with the delusion and it forces a falsehood on those who do not have the delusion. Accusing people who hold onto reality of having a ‘phobia’ or of being bigots does not change reality. It is merely a method of trying to threaten or punish them into submission. Until we recognize this, no one will benefit from the strange corner we have painted ourselves into.
This is what you get when you insist that people deny reality. Men are men, and women are women. This is reality. That there are some men who are plagued by the idea or ‘feeling’ that they are really a woman, or women who are troubled by the notion that they are men, is a mental abnormality – a delusional idea. That they suffer from a delusion is a problem. That they should be helped with their problem is quite reasonable and humane. However, pretending, and forcing others to pretend, that the problem is not a problem and reality is not reality does not help the person with the delusion and it forces a falsehood on those who do not have the delusion. Accusing people who hold onto reality of having a ‘phobia’ or of being bigots does not change reality. It is merely a method of trying to threaten or punish them into submission. Until we recognize this, no one will benefit from the strange corner we have painted ourselves into.
Good luck ceri Lee I hope you achieve everything you can in life and more
Good luck ceri Lee I hope you achieve everything you can in life and more
Majority rights no longer exist. Human rights lawyers and university academics (the long march through the institutions) have perverted, subverted and inverted normality to undermine and destroy western democratic traditions, notably the nuclear family.
The Woking Class rules! And we, the ordinary, decent majority, seem powerless to overthrow it.
Yes, that is exactly what this is all about – an overthrow of human rights for a wholly artificially made-up oppressed group.
Women’s rights.
Women’s rights.
Surely by “majority rights” you mean WOMENS RIGHTS. That is what this trans movement is a reaction against. That is what this trans movement is successfully destroying. WOMENS RIGHTS.
Yes, that is exactly what this is all about – an overthrow of human rights for a wholly artificially made-up oppressed group.
Surely by “majority rights” you mean WOMENS RIGHTS. That is what this trans movement is a reaction against. That is what this trans movement is successfully destroying. WOMENS RIGHTS.
Majority rights no longer exist. Human rights lawyers and university academics (the long march through the institutions) have perverted, subverted and inverted normality to undermine and destroy western democratic traditions, notably the nuclear family.
The Woking Class rules! And we, the ordinary, decent majority, seem powerless to overthrow it.
No wonder both the Ancient Greeks and Romans performed all their great athletic events GYMNOS.*
The Romans went even further with their great Baths (Thermae). No chance of ‘gender bending’ here.
Sadly the advent of Semitic Christianity meant the great ‘cover up’, and thus the genesis of the sexually neurotic behaviour that has plagued the Western world ever since.
“Sic Gloria Transit Mundi”.
(*Naked.)
Christianity’s issue here comes from Jesus’ line about ‘if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Hence the paradox that you do not see much guilt about homosexual sex in Arab countries, with flirtation set to stratospheric levels.
They’re scared of societal disapproval, but don’t seem internally crippled by over-analysis of their inclinations.
When Muslims come to the West, that changes. The over-analysis prompted by Christ’s saying became a central tenet of the new religion of Therapy.
Maybe I need another coffee this morning, but I’m not sure what point you’re making. At least, I very much hope that what I suspect you’re saying is a misunderstanding.
Well, and to put you out of your misery, my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West, and one from which we have yet to fully recover, as Ms Bindel’s essay so clearly illustrates.
Didn’t literacy in England and much of northwestern Europe increase only once Charlemagne “pulled a Constantine” several centuries years later and spread Christianity by the sword?
Yes but very slowly, even if you also count the slightly later ‘Gregorian Reforms’.
Thing’s really got going under Luther & Co in the early 16th century.
I see. Luther’s influence was also related to Gutenberg’s innovation. Bibles in the home seem to represent a societal net negative for you, but they were often the pivotal factor in literacy among peasants or commoners. In the US too, where many pre-Civil War homes had only a Bible and maybe Pilgrim’s Progress.
“Bibles in the home “ are certainly better than nothing, I must admit.
However that hardly compares to the graffiti from Pompeii and Herculaneum or the Vindolanda tablets for example.
The Golden Age (of Graffiti). Interesting take.
Or perhaps this Ist century inscription to a wonder-dog named Margarita or Pearl in English.
‘Gaul gave me my birth and the pearl-oyster from the seas full of treasure my name, an honour fitting to my beauty. I was trained to run boldly through strange forests and to hunt out furry wild beasts in the hills never accustomed to be held by heavy chains nor endure cruel beatings on my snow-white body. I used to lie on the soft lap of my master and mistress and knew to go to bed when tired on my spread mattress and I did not speak more than allowed as a dog, given a silent mouth No-one was scared by my barking but now I have been overcome by death from an ill-fated birth and earth has covered me beneath this small piece of marble.’
MARGARITA *
(* Held in the British Museum. Original inscription to be found at
CIL VI/ Inscriptiones urbis Romae Latinae. (29896.)
That’s pretty cute and memorable. I wish we could actually get the canine’s point of view.
Then Diogenes of Sinope is your man.
That seems like a bit of a cynical take (sorry).
That seems like a bit of a cynical take (sorry).
Then Diogenes of Sinope is your man.
She sounds like a galgo. They are the kings of hunting dogs.
Thank you, I had never heard of them but they look and sound great.
Next time perhaps!
Thank you, I had never heard of them but they look and sound great.
Next time perhaps!
That’s pretty cute and memorable. I wish we could actually get the canine’s point of view.
She sounds like a galgo. They are the kings of hunting dogs.
Or perhaps this Ist century inscription to a wonder-dog named Margarita or Pearl in English.
‘Gaul gave me my birth and the pearl-oyster from the seas full of treasure my name, an honour fitting to my beauty. I was trained to run boldly through strange forests and to hunt out furry wild beasts in the hills never accustomed to be held by heavy chains nor endure cruel beatings on my snow-white body. I used to lie on the soft lap of my master and mistress and knew to go to bed when tired on my spread mattress and I did not speak more than allowed as a dog, given a silent mouth No-one was scared by my barking but now I have been overcome by death from an ill-fated birth and earth has covered me beneath this small piece of marble.’
MARGARITA *
(* Held in the British Museum. Original inscription to be found at
CIL VI/ Inscriptiones urbis Romae Latinae. (29896.)
The Golden Age (of Graffiti). Interesting take.
“Bibles in the home “ are certainly better than nothing, I must admit.
However that hardly compares to the graffiti from Pompeii and Herculaneum or the Vindolanda tablets for example.
And that was mainly due to people like Caxton getting hold of Chinese printing technology.
And their reinvention of ‘paper’.
And their reinvention of ‘paper’.
‘s is possessive, not plural.
Yes, but where exactly did I drop such a b*llock?
Yes, but where exactly did I drop such a b*llock?
And what has this to do with the topic?
I see. Luther’s influence was also related to Gutenberg’s innovation. Bibles in the home seem to represent a societal net negative for you, but they were often the pivotal factor in literacy among peasants or commoners. In the US too, where many pre-Civil War homes had only a Bible and maybe Pilgrim’s Progress.
And that was mainly due to people like Caxton getting hold of Chinese printing technology.
‘s is possessive, not plural.
And what has this to do with the topic?
Yes but very slowly, even if you also count the slightly later ‘Gregorian Reforms’.
Thing’s really got going under Luther & Co in the early 16th century.
“my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West”
News to me that it was destroyed. For 1500 years the RCC venerated Aristotle to the point that disagreeing with him was heresy — scribes spent most of their time transcribing the ancient Greeks and Romans. Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects in university. Until the dawn of wokeness most Western public buildings were designed to look like Greek temples.
Of course the civilization itself was destroyed, but not without ongoing influence and vital, enduring remnants. Didn’t medieval scribes copy biblical books more often, sometimes erasing or writing over Classical authors? After the revival of the early-Renaissance, weren’t they still engaged largely with copying authors such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, in addition to the Bible–more so than Aristotle or Cicero, etc.?
Las Vegas casinos are made to (crassly) imitate Roman and Egyptian buildings: Does that represent an unbroken continuation of those civilizations?
I don’t mean to dismiss your point concerning the enduring legacy altogether, but I think the scale and details are off the mark.
The RCC certainly attempted to claim that it was the heir to Rome, but actually was no more than a rather crude veneer.
Attempts to shoehorn Aristotle into Christianity were just ridiculous, even if they did stem from some form of misplaced veneration.
Even the teaching of ‘Greats’ at Oxford had to be accomplished through the miasma of Christianity, and thus was an impossibility, given that Christianity demands ‘faith’ from day one.
Additionally making Greek and Latin mandatory at a University did NOT guarantee any real understanding of Classical Civilisation, but was more of an exercise in ‘clever’ linguistics.
Boys, please stop showing off and stay on topic.
New topics emerge as the discussion unfolds and this place is one the few non-dark-web/deep-rabbit-hole spots that’ll let you ramble on. In other words, unless it really matters: Let the boys be boys.
New topics emerge as the discussion unfolds and this place is one the few non-dark-web/deep-rabbit-hole spots that’ll let you ramble on. In other words, unless it really matters: Let the boys be boys.
Boys, please stop showing off and stay on topic.
Of course the civilization itself was destroyed, but not without ongoing influence and vital, enduring remnants. Didn’t medieval scribes copy biblical books more often, sometimes erasing or writing over Classical authors? After the revival of the early-Renaissance, weren’t they still engaged largely with copying authors such as Duns Scotus and Thomas Aquinas, in addition to the Bible–more so than Aristotle or Cicero, etc.?
Las Vegas casinos are made to (crassly) imitate Roman and Egyptian buildings: Does that represent an unbroken continuation of those civilizations?
I don’t mean to dismiss your point concerning the enduring legacy altogether, but I think the scale and details are off the mark.
The RCC certainly attempted to claim that it was the heir to Rome, but actually was no more than a rather crude veneer.
Attempts to shoehorn Aristotle into Christianity were just ridiculous, even if they did stem from some form of misplaced veneration.
Even the teaching of ‘Greats’ at Oxford had to be accomplished through the miasma of Christianity, and thus was an impossibility, given that Christianity demands ‘faith’ from day one.
Additionally making Greek and Latin mandatory at a University did NOT guarantee any real understanding of Classical Civilisation, but was more of an exercise in ‘clever’ linguistics.
Didn’t literacy in England and much of northwestern Europe increase only once Charlemagne “pulled a Constantine” several centuries years later and spread Christianity by the sword?
“my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West”
News to me that it was destroyed. For 1500 years the RCC venerated Aristotle to the point that disagreeing with him was heresy — scribes spent most of their time transcribing the ancient Greeks and Romans. Latin and Greek were mandatory subjects in university. Until the dawn of wokeness most Western public buildings were designed to look like Greek temples.
Well, and to put you out of your misery, my contention is that the destruction of Classical Civilisation was an unmitigated disaster for the West, and one from which we have yet to fully recover, as Ms Bindel’s essay so clearly illustrates.
The mind boggles at the thought of you shuffling down the high street, naked, Charles.
Christianity’s issue here comes from Jesus’ line about ‘if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart.’
Hence the paradox that you do not see much guilt about homosexual sex in Arab countries, with flirtation set to stratospheric levels.
They’re scared of societal disapproval, but don’t seem internally crippled by over-analysis of their inclinations.
When Muslims come to the West, that changes. The over-analysis prompted by Christ’s saying became a central tenet of the new religion of Therapy.
Maybe I need another coffee this morning, but I’m not sure what point you’re making. At least, I very much hope that what I suspect you’re saying is a misunderstanding.
The mind boggles at the thought of you shuffling down the high street, naked, Charles.
No wonder both the Ancient Greeks and Romans performed all their great athletic events GYMNOS.*
The Romans went even further with their great Baths (Thermae). No chance of ‘gender bending’ here.
Sadly the advent of Semitic Christianity meant the great ‘cover up’, and thus the genesis of the sexually neurotic behaviour that has plagued the Western world ever since.
“Sic Gloria Transit Mundi”.
(*Naked.)
Any relation to Ted? I’m suprised the Bundy family are not in US politics?
Any relation to Ted? I’m suprised the Bundy family are not in US politics?
I wish people would stick to the subject instead of using this forum to try to impress others with dubious posturing.
To the point:
I can’t understand why people keep claiming that transcismen, generally, are equally violent to the average male. Yet Transcismen are three times more likely to join the military, apparently seeing organized violence as an answer to national desputes. For such a tiny minority of the population transcismen seem to commit a disproportionate amount of crime. From the evidence it would seem that transcismen are more violent than the average male.
What are transcismen?
Exactly! Yet another one I have to try and figure out.
Exactly! Yet another one I have to try and figure out.
It’s not “people” who aren’t staying on topic it’s men. You know the old “my brain is bigger than your brain” thing.
What are transcismen?
It’s not “people” who aren’t staying on topic it’s men. You know the old “my brain is bigger than your brain” thing.
I wish people would stick to the subject instead of using this forum to try to impress others with dubious posturing.
To the point:
I can’t understand why people keep claiming that transcismen, generally, are equally violent to the average male. Yet Transcismen are three times more likely to join the military, apparently seeing organized violence as an answer to national desputes. For such a tiny minority of the population transcismen seem to commit a disproportionate amount of crime. From the evidence it would seem that transcismen are more violent than the average male.
I thought that Truss blocked thus kind of self-ID in the UK?
What no-one seems to appreciate is that the Gender Recognition Act (coupled with the Equality Act) effectively IS self id.
Protection is provided from the moment someone declares they are entering or intend to enter the GR process not just from when they receive a Certificate.
What no-one seems to appreciate is that the Gender Recognition Act (coupled with the Equality Act) effectively IS self id.
Protection is provided from the moment someone declares they are entering or intend to enter the GR process not just from when they receive a Certificate.
I thought that Truss blocked thus kind of self-ID in the UK?
It would seem that the extreme trans problems are in the UK rather than than in the US, which is surprising since the US is a country of extremes. I assume is because the UK is more tolerant.
It would seem that the extreme trans problems are in the UK rather than than in the US, which is surprising since the US is a country of extremes. I assume is because the UK is more tolerant.