“Tottenham were hard. They fought well.” Vitalii Ovcharenko pauses and sips his tea, having earlier refused my offer of a beer. “I remember it clearly. There weren’t many of them and they were heavily watched by the police. But, still, they managed to give the police the slip and get into the city, where we were already hunting them. We always tried to fight foreign fans who came to Donetsk. Finally, our scouts informed us where they were: about 10-15 hooligans had been seen in the centre, and we attacked. I must give them credit — the Tottenham fans were tougher than Celtic and Manchester United, especially in terms of their morality.”
What does he mean by “morality”? “Being an effective hooligan is about many things, but in the end it comes down to how brave you are, and from this internal force — we call it a ‘moral’ force — comes your physical success. In that respect, football hooliganism is very similar to fighting in a war.”
Vitalii is unique, even among the variegated pool of characters I have met in almost a decade of covering Ukraine. A Special Forces soldier, a social media guru responsible for reaching out to the Russians, and an intellectual with a PhD in “the political, economic and social relations between Ukraine and Scandinavia”, he is also a former leading member of Shakhtar Donetsk’s football hooligan firm, “Sever-8”.
Vitalii doesn’t look like your average member of Ukrainian infantry, or indeed any member of a football gang. Tall, thin, delicate-featured, and wearing a black roll neck, he looks more like a French existentialist. But now he is very much a soldier — albeit an odd one.
He first joined up in 2014 for a year, before returning at the start of last year’s all-out invasion, when the Russians were just miles from Kyiv. Along with a small group of comrades, he drove through the forests deep into occupied territory to conduct reconnaissance. In those early days, it was particularly dangerous: no-one knew where or exactly how many Russian soldiers there were. But, through some help from Ukrainian citizens, he eventually managed to get their coordinates and their bases were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery. “Yes, I was only a transmitter of information,” he says. “But it was very nice to learn later how many Russian occupiers were killed as a result of my work.”
But it soon emerged that he could do so much more than pick off occupying forces. Vitalii was born in the Donetsk region and lived there until just before the beginning of the Russian occupation, in 2014. Before the war, he explains, it was “morally” difficult to fight in the places where you lived when you were a child. But now this is a strength; unlike many of his army friends from other regions, he understands the local history and nuances of Donetsk. “I know what I am fighting for as a soldier and fighting for as a social activist, because every day I see the broken villages and cities of my region. I don’t need to talk about patriotism or love for the motherland. Every house destroyed by the Russians says more than all the phrases about patriotism ever could.”
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SubscribeAnother extraordinary tale, beautifully told, by David.
Another extraordinary tale, beautifully told, by David.
The sooner Russia leaves Ukraine, the sooner football hooligans can get back to being football hooligans.
And we can all be happy.
And Arsenal might even get to play Shakhtar Donetsk !
And Arsenal might even get to play Shakhtar Donetsk !
The sooner Russia leaves Ukraine, the sooner football hooligans can get back to being football hooligans.
And we can all be happy.
Show me the hooligan, if its Ukraine its fine.
Abysmal double standards.
Show me the hooligan, if its Ukraine its fine.
Abysmal double standards.
Biased, twisted, disgusting propaganda disregarding that the majority in Donesk are ethnic Russians and glorifying bombing them. Shameful
Do we think this is the latest incarnation of Sandford Artisan?
Too concise I think.
Too concise I think.
How do you actually know these things ? Are they Russian speakers or ethnic Russians ? And what is an “ethnic Russian” ?
Perhaps some first hand experience and facts would help support your case.
Similarly, if there is something untrue in this account that you know of, please be specific.
Ans do ‘ethnic’Russians’ necessarily want to be part of the Russian state? Might they not prefer to be part of a more Western, democratic state?
Exactly – Russians have NEVER experienced democracy !
Exactly – Russians have NEVER experienced democracy !
Ans do ‘ethnic’Russians’ necessarily want to be part of the Russian state? Might they not prefer to be part of a more Western, democratic state?
As opposed to Russians, who glorify bombing and freezing Ukrainians. And who also torture and kill people for being Ukrainian.
FYI, prime time Russian chat shows now routinely highlight speakers favoring the total annihilation of Ukraine.
But to you, I guess that isn’t “Biased, twisted, disgusting.”
Don’t worry the Russians are winning, just laugh at the neocon propaganda, long on BS but short on facts
Wow Vitalli was a football hooligan with a PHD, now he’s fighting the Russians, and Spurs fans are cool and tough
Come on then, how much longer do the Russians need to keep winning ? You’ve been saying this for months. Shouldn’t it be over by now ?
Its a large country with a large army, the Russians will need to destroy the Leopard tanks and strikers ect that have just arrived, Slovakia sent 13 Mig 29s, they will need to be shoot down, it takes time
Since the Ukraine ran out of S-300 missiles, the Russians are now dropping 1.5+ton bombs on Ukrainian positions, that will speed things up a little. hard luck Vitalli and co
Where would you like to see liberated by Russia next?
Washington DC
How about London,Brussels and Washington?
Washington DC
How about London,Brussels and Washington?
I asked for a date. Not waffle. If you could please.
You want an exact date to the end of the war, and if I can’t give you one, then I must be wrong, that is just the weakest argument I have ever heard
No one knows when this war will end
Not an exact date of course. Your current forecast. Then what we do is plot each of your forecast end dates (Y) on a graph against the current date (X).
And you know what we’ll see ? Your forecast will slip by at least one day per day.
You’re “Russia is winning” thesis is ludicrous. Lost the day they invaded on Feb 18th 2022. Super-major blunder. You’ll see it eventually.
Not an exact date of course. Your current forecast. Then what we do is plot each of your forecast end dates (Y) on a graph against the current date (X).
And you know what we’ll see ? Your forecast will slip by at least one day per day.
You’re “Russia is winning” thesis is ludicrous. Lost the day they invaded on Feb 18th 2022. Super-major blunder. You’ll see it eventually.
You want an exact date to the end of the war, and if I can’t give you one, then I must be wrong, that is just the weakest argument I have ever heard
No one knows when this war will end
Where would you like to see liberated by Russia next?
I asked for a date. Not waffle. If you could please.
Its a large country with a large army, the Russians will need to destroy the Leopard tanks and strikers ect that have just arrived, Slovakia sent 13 Mig 29s, they will need to be shoot down, it takes time
Since the Ukraine ran out of S-300 missiles, the Russians are now dropping 1.5+ton bombs on Ukrainian positions, that will speed things up a little. hard luck Vitalli and co
Come on then, how much longer do the Russians need to keep winning ? You’ve been saying this for months. Shouldn’t it be over by now ?
Zelensky is also an ethnic Russian and native Russian speaker. Presumably he also loves Russia.
He’s not an ethnic Russian
Please enlighten us: what exactly is the definitive definition of and practical test for an “ethnic Russian”.
Some of us are a little confused. Putin seems to think that Ukraine is really Russia and Ukrainians are really Russians. I’m sure he said that recently. And I guess you don’t believe he just makes this stuff up on the cuff. But clearly you don’t believe the same as him if Zelensky doesn’t make the cut.
Zelensky is Jewish, if he gets out of this alive, he will end up back in his own country, Israel. He already has a passport
You really are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you ?
He’s Ukrainian.
Problem?
You clearly have at least one. You haven’t been able to answer a single one of my questions. Not one. Ever.
I shan’t be wasting any more time. You have nothing instructive – or even remotely honest – to say.
You clearly have at least one. You haven’t been able to answer a single one of my questions. Not one. Ever.
I shan’t be wasting any more time. You have nothing instructive – or even remotely honest – to say.
Problem?
You really are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you ?
He’s Ukrainian.
Zelensky is Jewish, if he gets out of this alive, he will end up back in his own country, Israel. He already has a passport
Please enlighten us: what exactly is the definitive definition of and practical test for an “ethnic Russian”.
Some of us are a little confused. Putin seems to think that Ukraine is really Russia and Ukrainians are really Russians. I’m sure he said that recently. And I guess you don’t believe he just makes this stuff up on the cuff. But clearly you don’t believe the same as him if Zelensky doesn’t make the cut.
He’s not an ethnic Russian
Do we think this is the latest incarnation of Sandford Artisan?
How do you actually know these things ? Are they Russian speakers or ethnic Russians ? And what is an “ethnic Russian” ?
Perhaps some first hand experience and facts would help support your case.
Similarly, if there is something untrue in this account that you know of, please be specific.
As opposed to Russians, who glorify bombing and freezing Ukrainians. And who also torture and kill people for being Ukrainian.
FYI, prime time Russian chat shows now routinely highlight speakers favoring the total annihilation of Ukraine.
But to you, I guess that isn’t “Biased, twisted, disgusting.”
Don’t worry the Russians are winning, just laugh at the neocon propaganda, long on BS but short on facts
Wow Vitalli was a football hooligan with a PHD, now he’s fighting the Russians, and Spurs fans are cool and tough
Zelensky is also an ethnic Russian and native Russian speaker. Presumably he also loves Russia.
Biased, twisted, disgusting propaganda disregarding that the majority in Donesk are ethnic Russians and glorifying bombing them. Shameful