'Nowadays, there’s ostensibly no such thing as a norm' (Ana Fernandez/SOPA Images/LightRocket via Getty Images)
When teaching freshman composition in New York colleges in the mid-Eighties, I picked up a peculiar pattern in one-on-one conferences with my female students. With improbable frequency, they’d confide that they were anorexic. The term had only entered the popular lexicon about 10 years earlier, and public awareness of the perturbing derangement had been given a huge boost by the pop singer Karen Carpenter’s death in 1983. Yet not all these 18-year-old students were disturbingly underweight. It took me a minute to get it. They aspired to be anorexic. Anorexia was a prestige diagnosis.
While some of those students may have been merely flirting with the condition, they were canaries in a very dark coal mine. All too many of their peers were undertaking life-threatening calorie restriction in great earnest. Anorexia was already known to be the very deadliest of all psychiatric ailments. (Wanting to be anorexic, then, is like pining to contract necrosis.) In the Nineties, my natural ghoulish voyeurism inspired me to read several books about obsessive self-starvation, the best of which was Jenefer Shute’s harrowing novel Life Size.
So surely this month I jumped at the chance to read Hadley Freeman’s Good Girls: A Story and Study of Anorexia? Beginning in 1992, the columnist struggled for many years with the eating disorder, for which she was repeatedly hospitalised for months on end. Yet before diving into what proved a compelling and forthright memoir, I resisted. Honestly? The topic felt dated. Because as a prestige diagnosis, anorexia has been replaced. With trans.
Although Freeman spends half a chapter on the overlap between the two afflictions — both are “rooted in the belief that if you change your body, you will no longer hate yourself” — throughout her account I began to notice other intersections.
Both neuroses are clearly communicable. Ever since a preoccupation with thinness took off in the Sixties, eating disorders have soared, making the more recent insistence that anorexia is more of a heritable genetic proclivity than a cultural contagion dubious. From the Seventies onwards, an accelerating number of young women have got the idea to express their discontent through debilitating hunger from lavish media coverage, and one another. In kind, since 2010 the number of teenage girls referred to the Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service increased by 5,000% — making claims of a purely genetic explanation equally iffy. Both these afflictions are social confections. Although tales of people who starved themselves or passed for the opposite sex exist in the historical record, eating disorders and transgenderism on a mass scale are recent inventions. Collectively, we made these dire maladies up.
Freeman identifies her “trigger” at 14 for dropping an alarming amount of weight as a single moment. Sitting beside a prominently bony classmate in gym class, Freeman asked, “Is it hard to buy clothes when you’re so small?” “Yeah,” the girl replied. “I wish I was normal like you.”
This also shows why transgenderism is a “first” world problem. For everyone else in the world life is too hard to waste on this nonsense.
Exactly.
It is being widely exported, though, like most U.S originated maladies.
Think UK and ANZAC started all this – no issue with drag queens in USA, but indoctrinating kids to hate their bodies? Proddies every time. Jayne County 1979…Harry Styles??
Sorry, I don’t understand your comment.
Sorry, I don’t understand your comment.
I understand why it’s popular to think so, but that’s not true. I’m sure many people would love to think that the US created transgenderism.
Think UK and ANZAC started all this – no issue with drag queens in USA, but indoctrinating kids to hate their bodies? Proddies every time. Jayne County 1979…Harry Styles??
I understand why it’s popular to think so, but that’s not true. I’m sure many people would love to think that the US created transgenderism.
Fascinating examination of these first world problems by the author. I wonder what the death rate is via suicide or malnutrition is and are they also aligned statistically.
Well malnutrition is not a choice. With regard to anorexia some are still anorexic in their old age and cannot get back to what they used to be even if they know it is unhealthy. I think Lionel is right about the trans people. It appears there has been an explosion of it in the last few years. It cannot be that they are really in the wrong body. Just a thing that is happening now. You see this social strangeness in primitive societies in a different way, but now it is coming to us as we have forsaken the old paths for something strange and new. I find it sad that some reject their sexual identity as a man or woman and take on something off the wall.
It may be a first world problem but as we happen to live in this first world we should try to solve it. And the solution is staring us in the face: restore the authority of normality; do not patronise, cultivate, praise or encourage deviancy; establish clear expectations and reactivate the hierarchy of social, cultural and moral preference, which was dismantled in order to make the marginal feel better. The inevitable result of this foolish and even malignant policy has been to muddy the minds of the majority. Hard cases make bad law.
The authority of normality? I suppose you’d want to get rid of the gays, then. Definitely not normal. Abnormal sexual practices should be banned as well. Which would probably be defined as anything but missionary position. Sounds fun.
Get rid of them??? How quickly you recourse to an extremist caricature of my position – indeed, it is your first recourse. Doesn’t this say something about you rather than me? I should say it speaks to the paucity of your argument. But in a world which enforces your views so coercively, your capacity to argue will naturally have atrophied.
From screaming caricature of this sort it is an easy path to total condemnation and thence to persecution. The left is far along this road and ought to start turning back, but given that its fundamental priority is and always has been power, it probably won’t.
Nevertheless, by means of this dishonest shift you manage to skirt around the nub of the current issue, which is precisely that where – once – deviant practice was tolerated it is now advocated. That is the change I would reverse, re-establishing the status quo ante not of 1950 but of 1980. This will doubtless leave your spitting fury intact, but, perhaps, if you at least note the difference you will begin to approach enlightened standards of disputation.
I intend to steal this and wallpaper the internet with it. Sorry. It’s amazing and you’re amazing.
But in a world which enforces your views so coercively, your capacity to argue will naturally have atrophied.
I intend to steal this and wallpaper the internet with it. Sorry. It’s amazing and you’re amazing.
But in a world which enforces your views so coercively, your capacity to argue will naturally have atrophied.
Get rid of them??? How quickly you recourse to an extremist caricature of my position – indeed, it is your first recourse. Doesn’t this say something about you rather than me? I should say it speaks to the paucity of your argument. But in a world which enforces your views so coercively, your capacity to argue will naturally have atrophied.
From screaming caricature of this sort it is an easy path to total condemnation and thence to persecution. The left is far along this road and ought to start turning back, but given that its fundamental priority is and always has been power, it probably won’t.
Nevertheless, by means of this dishonest shift you manage to skirt around the nub of the current issue, which is precisely that where – once – deviant practice was tolerated it is now advocated. That is the change I would reverse, re-establishing the status quo ante not of 1950 but of 1980. This will doubtless leave your spitting fury intact, but, perhaps, if you at least note the difference you will begin to approach enlightened standards of disputation.
The authority of normality? I suppose you’d want to get rid of the gays, then. Definitely not normal. Abnormal sexual practices should be banned as well. Which would probably be defined as anything but missionary position. Sounds fun.
And the solution is to reestablish normality. This would offer a guide to the perplexed, in favour of health, fertility, balance and happiness.
The trouble is, every suicidal thought or impulse to a ‘confused’ teen will always be attributed to their gender issues, even when they have multiple co-morbidities. I attempted suicide twice before 18, just down to other issues not related to anything ‘popular’.
By “first-world” problems do you mean problems that affect mostly girls and young women?
Well malnutrition is not a choice. With regard to anorexia some are still anorexic in their old age and cannot get back to what they used to be even if they know it is unhealthy. I think Lionel is right about the trans people. It appears there has been an explosion of it in the last few years. It cannot be that they are really in the wrong body. Just a thing that is happening now. You see this social strangeness in primitive societies in a different way, but now it is coming to us as we have forsaken the old paths for something strange and new. I find it sad that some reject their sexual identity as a man or woman and take on something off the wall.
It may be a first world problem but as we happen to live in this first world we should try to solve it. And the solution is staring us in the face: restore the authority of normality; do not patronise, cultivate, praise or encourage deviancy; establish clear expectations and reactivate the hierarchy of social, cultural and moral preference, which was dismantled in order to make the marginal feel better. The inevitable result of this foolish and even malignant policy has been to muddy the minds of the majority. Hard cases make bad law.
And the solution is to reestablish normality. This would offer a guide to the perplexed, in favour of health, fertility, balance and happiness.
The trouble is, every suicidal thought or impulse to a ‘confused’ teen will always be attributed to their gender issues, even when they have multiple co-morbidities. I attempted suicide twice before 18, just down to other issues not related to anything ‘popular’.
By “first-world” problems do you mean problems that affect mostly girls and young women?
As Chris Rock jokingly remarked in the 1990s: There’s no lactose intolerance in Rwanda.”
(Yes, yes, I know real lactose intolerance and milk protein intolerance are real, but that isn’t the point.)
Today, it would be “gluten allergies”. And again, there are people who really have them, but they’re pretty rare because the were genetic dead ends until very recently in human history.
….. asked whether I had any food allergies in a pub recently,I was tempted to jokingly respond “Do I look like a millennial ? “
Today, it would be “gluten allergies”. And again, there are people who really have them, but they’re pretty rare because the were genetic dead ends until very recently in human history.
….. asked whether I had any food allergies in a pub recently,I was tempted to jokingly respond “Do I look like a millennial ? “
Even in the WEIRD world, trans is a luxury good. Practitioners are overwhelmingly white and middle class or above.
Whether it’s rural India or urban America, people who have to worry about where tomorrow’s dinner is coming from or how to avoid getting shot on the way to work today don’t have the time for the serious navel gazing that is required to “realize” that you’re “trans”.
Or women know their place there and are kept in it. It’s only in the elite west that women are being empowered and are such a threat to men and therefore under new attack
Of course you got a lot of dislikes. There’s a strong flavor of misogyny tainting a lot of these comments. There is heated propaganda coming from all directions regarding the surge of transgenderism, and my sympathy lies with the young people who are bearing the weight of it. Having the anxieties, shame, and anger of your elders projected onto you is never fun.
Of course you got a lot of dislikes. There’s a strong flavor of misogyny tainting a lot of these comments. There is heated propaganda coming from all directions regarding the surge of transgenderism, and my sympathy lies with the young people who are bearing the weight of it. Having the anxieties, shame, and anger of your elders projected onto you is never fun.
Many a trans person aspires to a lifetime identity as valetudinarian, to continually suffer from medical problems, gain medical attention and the impersonal care of medical institutions, and be freed of the responsibilities of healthy people.
I sometimes wonder if there are transvestite Eskimos. I understand it’s a rude question to ask.
Is Pakistan part of the “first world”?
This comment is ignorant in the literal sense – transgender people are and always have been a part of humanity the world over, and there is ample evidence of this if you didn’t confuse research with confirmation bias.
Guess what, Isabel? You don’t have to waste ANY of your precious time or life worrying about transgender people, since all they want is to be left ALONE to live their lives like everyone else. Simply leaving people alone requires you to make no effort whatsoever, and I have to wonder how you feel so entitled and qualified to proclaim what is best, authentic, or appropriate for a group of people you know very little about.
Quite. It’s the transgender activists we have to worry about. They are willing to use any means to destroy the lives of people that don’t go along with their views.
Quite. It’s the transgender activists we have to worry about. They are willing to use any means to destroy the lives of people that don’t go along with their views.
Exactly.
It is being widely exported, though, like most U.S originated maladies.
Fascinating examination of these first world problems by the author. I wonder what the death rate is via suicide or malnutrition is and are they also aligned statistically.
As Chris Rock jokingly remarked in the 1990s: There’s no lactose intolerance in Rwanda.”
(Yes, yes, I know real lactose intolerance and milk protein intolerance are real, but that isn’t the point.)
Even in the WEIRD world, trans is a luxury good. Practitioners are overwhelmingly white and middle class or above.
Whether it’s rural India or urban America, people who have to worry about where tomorrow’s dinner is coming from or how to avoid getting shot on the way to work today don’t have the time for the serious navel gazing that is required to “realize” that you’re “trans”.
Or women know their place there and are kept in it. It’s only in the elite west that women are being empowered and are such a threat to men and therefore under new attack
Many a trans person aspires to a lifetime identity as valetudinarian, to continually suffer from medical problems, gain medical attention and the impersonal care of medical institutions, and be freed of the responsibilities of healthy people.
I sometimes wonder if there are transvestite Eskimos. I understand it’s a rude question to ask.
Is Pakistan part of the “first world”?
This comment is ignorant in the literal sense – transgender people are and always have been a part of humanity the world over, and there is ample evidence of this if you didn’t confuse research with confirmation bias.
Guess what, Isabel? You don’t have to waste ANY of your precious time or life worrying about transgender people, since all they want is to be left ALONE to live their lives like everyone else. Simply leaving people alone requires you to make no effort whatsoever, and I have to wonder how you feel so entitled and qualified to proclaim what is best, authentic, or appropriate for a group of people you know very little about.
This also shows why transgenderism is a “first” world problem. For everyone else in the world life is too hard to waste on this nonsense.
Excellent analysis, as ever. I think the comparisons between anorexia and trans are very enlightening in all sorts of ways. I do wonder, though, (and I’ve posted along these lines before on Unherd), if the benign end of the trans spectrum fulfils the role of a youth cult. When I was a teenager in a Midlands town in the 1970’s we had skinheads, suedes and fribs (long-haired scruffs with prog-rock LPs). There was glam rock and Bowie. The previous decade had mods and rockers. Later generations had punks, emos and goths. Cults were a form of teenage self-definition, provided a sense of belonging, and came with a hint of rebellion – my mum and gran hated my long hair. But in the vast majority of cases it was harmless.
What is a teenager to do in the 2020’s? The youth cults have all been used up, your mum and dad go to rock concerts and the headline acts at Glastonbury are 80 years old. Gender identity offers a new framework within which to define your emerging self, with the added benefit of befuddling your parents and carrying with it a hint of rebellion. I do think trans ideology needs to be called out and some cases do lead to psychological or physical harm, but maybe the majority of teens who declare themselves to be non-binary will forget all about it as they grow a bit older. I hope so.
Too true – fact is Punks, Skins and 1%er bikers seemed to scare the beast, so they used trans and (male) gays as a safety valve. The hippies wear punk and the system wears hippy.
I’ve thought about this too, how everyone has cringey memories from adolescence, following some silly trend that their adult self can see was preposterous. Like you said, these were usually benign: wearing unflattering clothes and hairstyles, or embarrassing behaviors. When I think about child-rearing, I imagine that containing the damage of these juvenile phases is a big part of the job (I don’t have kids but may start a family soon so it’s on my mind a lot). A parent has to accept their kid might act like an idiot for a few years, and the minimum threshold for intervention must be to mitigate long-term harm such as a serious injury or jail-time.
Now that these phases entail serious medications or even surgery; and depending on where you live, the government may take away your children if you don’t allow “gender-affirming care”, how is a parent supposed to fulfill their duty to allow their children to grow into healthy, well-adjusted adults?
Agreed the youth have nothing subversive they can do/be anymore. Even bankers have tattoo sleeves and nose piercings!
And that would all be fine except this ideology has become deeply embedded in all our institutions (at least in the US, at the federal level), in our corporations, in the “health” care system, in the mental health treatment system. And to the profound harm of children, women, and gays and lesbians. No such disastrous consequences for the punk or goth aesthetics…
So true: many – perhaps most – of our institutions have been captured. But there is pushback. The Sex Matters petition – “Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex” (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243) – got 100,000+ signatures and is going to be debated in Parliament. The debate is scheduled for 12 June 2023. Write to your MPs and tell them that you want them to support it.
So true: many – perhaps most – of our institutions have been captured. But there is pushback. The Sex Matters petition – “Update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic “sex” is biological sex” (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243) – got 100,000+ signatures and is going to be debated in Parliament. The debate is scheduled for 12 June 2023. Write to your MPs and tell them that you want them to support it.
Apart from the ones that have allowed their genitals to be operated on leading to a real disablement. Why a doctor or a politician can agree with this shows how our general civilisation is on the slide and getting really dangerous for the young. Angela Spiel head of Ofsted is on a crusade to accept it in the schools and the politicians allow it. If this is just a fashion I welcome the day that it changes and that those in authority who pushed it will be questioned and exposed.
There’s hip-hop, garage and various other “unacceptable” musics and cultures still for kids. I don’t think going trans or gay can be compared with that sort of “motorcycle” teenage rebellion. In any case, if you follow Shriver then the mood music is trans is not as bad as listening to f**k Da Police. There’ the argument that trans and gay can be attention seeking, looking for sympathy almost but that doesn’t apply to teenage rebellion.
I very much agree with the idea that part of this phenomenon is good old fashioned “rebellion”…but unlike the youth subcultures you mentioned, gender theory is literally making forced changes to our legal system and our culture in ways that impact important groups’ rights (esp. women).
I remember having great fun during the punk era, but we didn’t force people to change THEIR lives to suit our tastes. Gender theory is a full frontal assault on reality, and something we can ill afford, IMHO.
Full frontal assault – great imagery, true comment!
Well said!
Full frontal assault – great imagery, true comment!
Well said!
To be a real rebel, go to church, get married (opposite sex) and have kids. That is so kool. If you still have yearn to be more militant, pray in Latin.
Like my mother said. Never throw away your old shoes. One day they will become fashionable again.
Like my mother said. Never throw away your old shoes. One day they will become fashionable again.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head Paul! Teens are definitely looking for a way to be a part of something and there isn’t even a new genre of music for them to cling to!
As responsible adults, it’s our duty to target the monsters that are encouraging medical transition and even surgery and stop them from indulging their Frankenstein obsessed behaviour. What kind of doctor/surgeon/care provider thinks the outcome for these poor kids will be a good one? They are deluded and cruel.
The perfect and tragic example was yesterday’s news story of the poor 18 year old who died after ‘his’ vaginal surgery using bits of his colon failed!
I agree the benign end of trans might be “growing pains”, but unfortunately rather than roll their eyes or issue a stern “you’re not wearing THAT to school”, now it seems (mainly) mom is fully on board, “supporting” their new son/daughter on social media as they shop for clothes. Back in the day, doctors didn’t confirm that you were indeed a skinhead and surgically remove your hair, parents didn’t sign their kids up for drag queen summer camp and schools didn’t create litter boxes for “furries”.
Good points. It’s the poor mutilated detransitioners who will have the most angst though.
Too true – fact is Punks, Skins and 1%er bikers seemed to scare the beast, so they used trans and (male) gays as a safety valve. The hippies wear punk and the system wears hippy.
I’ve thought about this too, how everyone has cringey memories from adolescence, following some silly trend that their adult self can see was preposterous. Like you said, these were usually benign: wearing unflattering clothes and hairstyles, or embarrassing behaviors. When I think about child-rearing, I imagine that containing the damage of these juvenile phases is a big part of the job (I don’t have kids but may start a family soon so it’s on my mind a lot). A parent has to accept their kid might act like an idiot for a few years, and the minimum threshold for intervention must be to mitigate long-term harm such as a serious injury or jail-time.
Now that these phases entail serious medications or even surgery; and depending on where you live, the government may take away your children if you don’t allow “gender-affirming care”, how is a parent supposed to fulfill their duty to allow their children to grow into healthy, well-adjusted adults?
Agreed the youth have nothing subversive they can do/be anymore. Even bankers have tattoo sleeves and nose piercings!
And that would all be fine except this ideology has become deeply embedded in all our institutions (at least in the US, at the federal level), in our corporations, in the “health” care system, in the mental health treatment system. And to the profound harm of children, women, and gays and lesbians. No such disastrous consequences for the punk or goth aesthetics…
Apart from the ones that have allowed their genitals to be operated on leading to a real disablement. Why a doctor or a politician can agree with this shows how our general civilisation is on the slide and getting really dangerous for the young. Angela Spiel head of Ofsted is on a crusade to accept it in the schools and the politicians allow it. If this is just a fashion I welcome the day that it changes and that those in authority who pushed it will be questioned and exposed.
There’s hip-hop, garage and various other “unacceptable” musics and cultures still for kids. I don’t think going trans or gay can be compared with that sort of “motorcycle” teenage rebellion. In any case, if you follow Shriver then the mood music is trans is not as bad as listening to f**k Da Police. There’ the argument that trans and gay can be attention seeking, looking for sympathy almost but that doesn’t apply to teenage rebellion.
I very much agree with the idea that part of this phenomenon is good old fashioned “rebellion”…but unlike the youth subcultures you mentioned, gender theory is literally making forced changes to our legal system and our culture in ways that impact important groups’ rights (esp. women).
I remember having great fun during the punk era, but we didn’t force people to change THEIR lives to suit our tastes. Gender theory is a full frontal assault on reality, and something we can ill afford, IMHO.
To be a real rebel, go to church, get married (opposite sex) and have kids. That is so kool. If you still have yearn to be more militant, pray in Latin.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head Paul! Teens are definitely looking for a way to be a part of something and there isn’t even a new genre of music for them to cling to!
As responsible adults, it’s our duty to target the monsters that are encouraging medical transition and even surgery and stop them from indulging their Frankenstein obsessed behaviour. What kind of doctor/surgeon/care provider thinks the outcome for these poor kids will be a good one? They are deluded and cruel.
The perfect and tragic example was yesterday’s news story of the poor 18 year old who died after ‘his’ vaginal surgery using bits of his colon failed!
I agree the benign end of trans might be “growing pains”, but unfortunately rather than roll their eyes or issue a stern “you’re not wearing THAT to school”, now it seems (mainly) mom is fully on board, “supporting” their new son/daughter on social media as they shop for clothes. Back in the day, doctors didn’t confirm that you were indeed a skinhead and surgically remove your hair, parents didn’t sign their kids up for drag queen summer camp and schools didn’t create litter boxes for “furries”.
Good points. It’s the poor mutilated detransitioners who will have the most angst though.
Excellent analysis, as ever. I think the comparisons between anorexia and trans are very enlightening in all sorts of ways. I do wonder, though, (and I’ve posted along these lines before on Unherd), if the benign end of the trans spectrum fulfils the role of a youth cult. When I was a teenager in a Midlands town in the 1970’s we had skinheads, suedes and fribs (long-haired scruffs with prog-rock LPs). There was glam rock and Bowie. The previous decade had mods and rockers. Later generations had punks, emos and goths. Cults were a form of teenage self-definition, provided a sense of belonging, and came with a hint of rebellion – my mum and gran hated my long hair. But in the vast majority of cases it was harmless.
What is a teenager to do in the 2020’s? The youth cults have all been used up, your mum and dad go to rock concerts and the headline acts at Glastonbury are 80 years old. Gender identity offers a new framework within which to define your emerging self, with the added benefit of befuddling your parents and carrying with it a hint of rebellion. I do think trans ideology needs to be called out and some cases do lead to psychological or physical harm, but maybe the majority of teens who declare themselves to be non-binary will forget all about it as they grow a bit older. I hope so.
An important essay. We live in a world of increasing medicalisation, where nothing is ‘normal’ and everyone needs a treatment for something. What’s your illness? instead of What’s your line? They even think we are the disease for the planet. More drugs and interventions please.
At the root, we seem to have lost the importance of resilience, robustness. and perseverance. I wonder sometimes if it’s because many humans have lost contact with animals, either farms or pets, and so are missing some basic insights into life.
Excellent!
. . .or it could be losing touch with God; we want to be our own authority.
Not could be. Is in my opinion.
Not could be. Is in my opinion.
The American psychiatric and counselling industry has long been busy medicalising the outer edges of normal behaviour, so that now, even a small deviation from “normal” is a “condition” requiring (expensive) intervention by a professional.
Psychiatry.org – DSM
The American hyper-capitalist system that is much more to blame than the professionals as such. Including core tenets of customer entitlement, rather than patient treatment. ‘I want anti-depressants, valium and adderall, and if I don’t get them I’ll sue you for failing to treat my problems.
The American hyper-capitalist system that is much more to blame than the professionals as such. Including core tenets of customer entitlement, rather than patient treatment. ‘I want anti-depressants, valium and adderall, and if I don’t get them I’ll sue you for failing to treat my problems.
We are the despicable ones, Our carbon footprint is too high and we don’t deserve to be alive and all that zero carbon claptrap.
My gf came back from teaching work (higher ed) last night with a terrifying account of this. In a meet and greet the students took turns announcing their illnesses, and the concurrent special treatment they expected – the one who didn’t do this, looked increasingly panicked – as if she was thinking that there was something wrong with her/ that she was missing out!
Excellent!
. . .or it could be losing touch with God; we want to be our own authority.
The American psychiatric and counselling industry has long been busy medicalising the outer edges of normal behaviour, so that now, even a small deviation from “normal” is a “condition” requiring (expensive) intervention by a professional.
Psychiatry.org – DSM
We are the despicable ones, Our carbon footprint is too high and we don’t deserve to be alive and all that zero carbon claptrap.
My gf came back from teaching work (higher ed) last night with a terrifying account of this. In a meet and greet the students took turns announcing their illnesses, and the concurrent special treatment they expected – the one who didn’t do this, looked increasingly panicked – as if she was thinking that there was something wrong with her/ that she was missing out!
An important essay. We live in a world of increasing medicalisation, where nothing is ‘normal’ and everyone needs a treatment for something. What’s your illness? instead of What’s your line? They even think we are the disease for the planet. More drugs and interventions please.
At the root, we seem to have lost the importance of resilience, robustness. and perseverance. I wonder sometimes if it’s because many humans have lost contact with animals, either farms or pets, and so are missing some basic insights into life.
“…am I the only one who feels so dejected, what does it mean to become a man or a woman, and is there any way I can get out of growing up?”
If I had entertained such thoughts as a youngster I wouldn’t have been hospitalised, I would have been laughed at. Derision is a powerful cure-all. Sounds like poor Hadley missed out.
Am I being harsh? I don’t think so – There is plenty of genuine misery in the world, so I won’t waste my time on those who fake misery.
I don’t disagree. I used to be resentful of the sometimes harsh treatment we got from the Christian Brothers who ran our Catholic schools growing up. But the reality is that life is hard and you do need to be tough. Telling young people to suck it up is generally good advice.
I think it would depend on what the problem is. If ‘suck it up” is to be dished out as “generally good advice” to young people there are going to be feelings of being emotionally abandonded. One size does not fit all.
Feelings of being emotionally abandoned= I’m not getting the attention I demand and deserve.
As Clare Knight points out the “suck it up” variety of parenting might suit some kids very well but not others.
Why ? – because children are individuals in their own right and all different from one another and different from you and me and your parents and my parents. They are not blank sheets on which you imprint or programme your biases / opinions / values / view of life.
What is so undesirable about giving a child attention when they ask for it ? What are you afraid of ?
The skill of parenting it seems to me is determining what style of conversation is required when.
If of course you aren’t interested in having conversations with your kids then you shouldn’t be surprised by anything outside your usual experience that subsequently happens to them.
Maybe it is a by product of being emotionally abandoned these days.
As Clare Knight points out the “suck it up” variety of parenting might suit some kids very well but not others.
Why ? – because children are individuals in their own right and all different from one another and different from you and me and your parents and my parents. They are not blank sheets on which you imprint or programme your biases / opinions / values / view of life.
What is so undesirable about giving a child attention when they ask for it ? What are you afraid of ?
The skill of parenting it seems to me is determining what style of conversation is required when.
If of course you aren’t interested in having conversations with your kids then you shouldn’t be surprised by anything outside your usual experience that subsequently happens to them.
Maybe it is a by product of being emotionally abandoned these days.
Pull yourself together Ms Knight!
Polidori and Peter have said all there is to say on this ridiculous subject.
I think it is being cruel to be kind. Suck it up can be a good thing if done in the right loving spirit. I told one of my grandsons who had a penchant for wearing girls clothes that God made him male not female. I haven’t seen any sign of that kind of thing since.
Feelings of being emotionally abandoned= I’m not getting the attention I demand and deserve.
Pull yourself together Ms Knight!
Polidori and Peter have said all there is to say on this ridiculous subject.
I think it is being cruel to be kind. Suck it up can be a good thing if done in the right loving spirit. I told one of my grandsons who had a penchant for wearing girls clothes that God made him male not female. I haven’t seen any sign of that kind of thing since.
To pick up on your education with the Christian Brothers….Schools vary ..a lot. On return from living abroad I was sent to a convent in Somerset, a brilliant school and even during my shortish stay there, I learned a lot and had great respect for the nuns. Then we moved. I went to another convent presumably because my father assumed things would continue the way they started with the previous school…they didnt. I did however learn that where no choice is offered, you have to deal with it. I did miss not having classes in Latin though!
With a good father it was easier for you to accept. I was in a residential convent with nuns as well. I am glad I got away from that culture personally.
With a good father it was easier for you to accept. I was in a residential convent with nuns as well. I am glad I got away from that culture personally.
Merely a variant of the ‘National Service would sort them out’ argument. And maybe it does, for some. Others are clearly traumatised by it. Just because (you think) it worked for you, doesn’t mean that attempting to hammer all young people through the same shape of hole is a good idea.
I don’t think a little of it harms you when you have no choice looking at what that age group does these days. Being a Sheila as they called it never went down well in the army, but these days who knows what is happening?
I don’t think a little of it harms you when you have no choice looking at what that age group does these days. Being a Sheila as they called it never went down well in the army, but these days who knows what is happening?
I think it would depend on what the problem is. If ‘suck it up” is to be dished out as “generally good advice” to young people there are going to be feelings of being emotionally abandonded. One size does not fit all.
To pick up on your education with the Christian Brothers….Schools vary ..a lot. On return from living abroad I was sent to a convent in Somerset, a brilliant school and even during my shortish stay there, I learned a lot and had great respect for the nuns. Then we moved. I went to another convent presumably because my father assumed things would continue the way they started with the previous school…they didnt. I did however learn that where no choice is offered, you have to deal with it. I did miss not having classes in Latin though!
Merely a variant of the ‘National Service would sort them out’ argument. And maybe it does, for some. Others are clearly traumatised by it. Just because (you think) it worked for you, doesn’t mean that attempting to hammer all young people through the same shape of hole is a good idea.
I think if one needs to “fake” misery on must be pretty miserable. And yes, it does seem to be a first world problem.
I think if one needs to ¨fake¨ misery one must be pretty miserable.
Or an attention-seeking narcissist.
Maybe they have the POM’s. Poor old me.
Sounds like you’ve met my neighbour, for whom the tragedy of cancer is offset by its effectiveness as a tool for manipulating others. Not very endearing, which unfortunately renders her much less likely to get the love she seeks, and deserves as much as the rest of us. Narcissism is not actually fun.
Maybe they have the POM’s. Poor old me.
Sounds like you’ve met my neighbour, for whom the tragedy of cancer is offset by its effectiveness as a tool for manipulating others. Not very endearing, which unfortunately renders her much less likely to get the love she seeks, and deserves as much as the rest of us. Narcissism is not actually fun.
I think there is a subset of these people who really are struggling and are not faking it and for whom “suck it up” simply doesn’t work.
The fact that these clearly are almost exclusively “first world problems” does not mean they are not in some cases real problems. The demands of first world life can be very different from those in less developed countries so it’s only to be expected that we may have some different problems.
Of course, we’ve gone massively and dangerously overboard on some of this stuff.
The problem as ever is distinguishing what we used to call the “deserving” and “undeserving” and focusing help and resources on the first group who really do need help.
The single biggest problem for me is the cheerleaders and do-gooders sitting on the sidelines insisting that everyone is “deserving” when that is patently untrue. And all that does is devalue the suffering of those genuinely afflicted and prevent them getting the help they need. And eroding any sympathy and understanding they deserve from us.
Incredibly this and my other comment on this article took 17 hours to get past the censors. What on earth is going on ?
The problem is that in the (recent) past, body dysmorphia usually appeared in young males, well before puberty. When they decided to “transition” the process was long (2 years) and involved living as a woman all while engaging in therapy. Today (as I’ve heard listening to Jordan Peterson) the process is often 2-3 sessions in which the patient diagnoses themselves and hormone blockers are an early option. If parents disagree they are often ignored, and the child is affirmed without their knowledge. The difference today is that the patient is often an early adolescent girl. Given there is a 4000%-5000% increase (and no other female age group has similar increases) this is strong evidence that this is a socially engineered experiment (that makes people money). These girls are often depressed and anxious. ROGD (Rapid Onset Gender Dysmorphia) is a subset of these mental health issues. Changing your body (removing breasts, taking male hormones) won’t fix what are essentially brain disorders – therapy, supplements and good nutrition should be the first line of defence – and lots of support from women who’ve made it through puberty and came out the other side fully intact.
Incredibly this and my other comment on this article took 17 hours to get past the censors. What on earth is going on ?
The problem is that in the (recent) past, body dysmorphia usually appeared in young males, well before puberty. When they decided to “transition” the process was long (2 years) and involved living as a woman all while engaging in therapy. Today (as I’ve heard listening to Jordan Peterson) the process is often 2-3 sessions in which the patient diagnoses themselves and hormone blockers are an early option. If parents disagree they are often ignored, and the child is affirmed without their knowledge. The difference today is that the patient is often an early adolescent girl. Given there is a 4000%-5000% increase (and no other female age group has similar increases) this is strong evidence that this is a socially engineered experiment (that makes people money). These girls are often depressed and anxious. ROGD (Rapid Onset Gender Dysmorphia) is a subset of these mental health issues. Changing your body (removing breasts, taking male hormones) won’t fix what are essentially brain disorders – therapy, supplements and good nutrition should be the first line of defence – and lots of support from women who’ve made it through puberty and came out the other side fully intact.
I think if one needs to ¨fake¨ misery one must be pretty miserable.
Or an attention-seeking narcissist.
I think there is a subset of these people who really are struggling and are not faking it and for whom “suck it up” simply doesn’t work.
The fact that these clearly are almost exclusively “first world problems” does not mean they are not in some cases real problems. The demands of first world life can be very different from those in less developed countries so it’s only to be expected that we may have some different problems.
Of course, we’ve gone massively and dangerously overboard on some of this stuff.
The problem as ever is distinguishing what we used to call the “deserving” and “undeserving” and focusing help and resources on the first group who really do need help.
The single biggest problem for me is the cheerleaders and do-gooders sitting on the sidelines insisting that everyone is “deserving” when that is patently untrue. And all that does is devalue the suffering of those genuinely afflicted and prevent them getting the help they need. And eroding any sympathy and understanding they deserve from us.
Yeah, but I think this idea for young women is by no means new nor one that their mothers necessarily laughed at. The puberty of boys and the puberty of girls are quite different. Girls go through it earlier, which explains some of it. They are literally still children. But puberty is not a good thing, it is a cessation of power. You stop growing. You start bleeding. Even if your periods aren’t a big deal, it hurts (and for many girls they are a deal). Your body changes in a way that brings you problems. You go from a feeling of control to becoming prey, not simply to the boys around you but grown men, some of them your friend’s dads or coaches, etc. And all this happens in the space of a year. There is refinements later, and warnings earlier but the process generally, is rapid and dizzyingly transformative. All to kids who are barely out of elementary (and some in it).
Boys meanwhile start growing in earnest. They become more powerful. Their voice drops. Yes there is a vulnerable aspect to this but it is moving towards more respect, more power, more ability to assert their will. And for the most part it doesn’t happen until 8th grade but really not until high school and it takes years. It is a very slow process.
Both get hair in new places of course but even that is different. Girls hair is dirty, disgusting, and disqualifying. Boys don’t have to shave except their faces and even that is somewhat up to choice. Having hair on the face for boys might not always be culturally approved but it is always a sign of power.
And that is not even getting into the mechanics of reproduction. Yeah, girls can sort of get pregnant. That should make them feel powerful except the first thing society says is DON’T you dare. If you do it in any way that we have not specifically approved, we will punish you and punish you big time. And we are going to create all these new rules limiting your freedom to be sure nobody gets you pregnant, so even that is a lessening of dignity and power. (Meanwhile boys are not so held back)
So far from this feeling of not wanting puberty from girls being a new thing, I think it is part and parcel with being female. It helped when in the past some girls went through it later but overall yeah, we feel alienated.
This is is really well stated. I’ve often felt that when “the talk” happens in schools it should involve discussing all that you mention above with the goal of helping girls see there is beauty and power in the change. As for when puberty hits, I do think diet (i.e. nutrition), overly processed foods, chemicals and perhaps estrogen in milk/meats/water are partially to blame for puberty coming earlier. Helping girls (and boys) stay lean and healthy would support better mental health and, at least for girls, perhaps stave off early puberty. They just aren’t ready. Interestingly, there was a surge in early puberty (girls) during COVID – scientists are blaming blue light, stress, lockdowns and the virus…no mention of any other possible causes…
There’s a reason why we urge “girls” not to get pregnant. For the same reason that we urge “boys” not to get “girls” pregnant. Because they’re girls and boys.
This is is really well stated. I’ve often felt that when “the talk” happens in schools it should involve discussing all that you mention above with the goal of helping girls see there is beauty and power in the change. As for when puberty hits, I do think diet (i.e. nutrition), overly processed foods, chemicals and perhaps estrogen in milk/meats/water are partially to blame for puberty coming earlier. Helping girls (and boys) stay lean and healthy would support better mental health and, at least for girls, perhaps stave off early puberty. They just aren’t ready. Interestingly, there was a surge in early puberty (girls) during COVID – scientists are blaming blue light, stress, lockdowns and the virus…no mention of any other possible causes…
There’s a reason why we urge “girls” not to get pregnant. For the same reason that we urge “boys” not to get “girls” pregnant. Because they’re girls and boys.
No. Being laughed at when one questions ‘am I the only one who feels so dejected, what does it mean to become a woman, is there any way I can get out of growing up,’ is one of the reasons people end up with eating disorders or transing themselves (as ways of avoiding those same questions you’re laughing at). The need these troubled youngsters have is for someone to engage with them about these questions ie to help them grow up. Laughing at those questions is not helpful at all. Hadley missed out, yes, but if you were subject to derision for asking the natural questions adolescents have in the face of the human condition, then you missed out on something too polidor.
This is why I think the solution to these attention seekers is to ignore them. I refuse to use incorrect names or pronouns and so should everyone else. Do not feed the cancer.
I don’t disagree. I used to be resentful of the sometimes harsh treatment we got from the Christian Brothers who ran our Catholic schools growing up. But the reality is that life is hard and you do need to be tough. Telling young people to suck it up is generally good advice.
I think if one needs to “fake” misery on must be pretty miserable. And yes, it does seem to be a first world problem.
Yeah, but I think this idea for young women is by no means new nor one that their mothers necessarily laughed at. The puberty of boys and the puberty of girls are quite different. Girls go through it earlier, which explains some of it. They are literally still children. But puberty is not a good thing, it is a cessation of power. You stop growing. You start bleeding. Even if your periods aren’t a big deal, it hurts (and for many girls they are a deal). Your body changes in a way that brings you problems. You go from a feeling of control to becoming prey, not simply to the boys around you but grown men, some of them your friend’s dads or coaches, etc. And all this happens in the space of a year. There is refinements later, and warnings earlier but the process generally, is rapid and dizzyingly transformative. All to kids who are barely out of elementary (and some in it).
Boys meanwhile start growing in earnest. They become more powerful. Their voice drops. Yes there is a vulnerable aspect to this but it is moving towards more respect, more power, more ability to assert their will. And for the most part it doesn’t happen until 8th grade but really not until high school and it takes years. It is a very slow process.
Both get hair in new places of course but even that is different. Girls hair is dirty, disgusting, and disqualifying. Boys don’t have to shave except their faces and even that is somewhat up to choice. Having hair on the face for boys might not always be culturally approved but it is always a sign of power.
And that is not even getting into the mechanics of reproduction. Yeah, girls can sort of get pregnant. That should make them feel powerful except the first thing society says is DON’T you dare. If you do it in any way that we have not specifically approved, we will punish you and punish you big time. And we are going to create all these new rules limiting your freedom to be sure nobody gets you pregnant, so even that is a lessening of dignity and power. (Meanwhile boys are not so held back)
So far from this feeling of not wanting puberty from girls being a new thing, I think it is part and parcel with being female. It helped when in the past some girls went through it later but overall yeah, we feel alienated.
No. Being laughed at when one questions ‘am I the only one who feels so dejected, what does it mean to become a woman, is there any way I can get out of growing up,’ is one of the reasons people end up with eating disorders or transing themselves (as ways of avoiding those same questions you’re laughing at). The need these troubled youngsters have is for someone to engage with them about these questions ie to help them grow up. Laughing at those questions is not helpful at all. Hadley missed out, yes, but if you were subject to derision for asking the natural questions adolescents have in the face of the human condition, then you missed out on something too polidor.
This is why I think the solution to these attention seekers is to ignore them. I refuse to use incorrect names or pronouns and so should everyone else. Do not feed the cancer.
“…am I the only one who feels so dejected, what does it mean to become a man or a woman, and is there any way I can get out of growing up?”
If I had entertained such thoughts as a youngster I wouldn’t have been hospitalised, I would have been laughed at. Derision is a powerful cure-all. Sounds like poor Hadley missed out.
Am I being harsh? I don’t think so – There is plenty of genuine misery in the world, so I won’t waste my time on those who fake misery.
We never would have got into this mess if we hadn’t imported the word “gender” from a linguistic noun descriptor into a replacement for “sex”. Sex is real (and binary), personality is real (and a spectrum), but gender isn’t.
Hear hear. When I was growing up, “gender” was a mere prissy middle-class synonym, what you said instead of saying “sex”, if in polite company. Such as the band “The Gender Pistols” lol.
I’ve never been sufficiently narrow-minded to have had a “gender”, and never have been too perturbed or impeded by the lack thereof.
This is a wonderful article, and nails the trivial modishness of this silly fad.
Quite right. Gender is a linguistic term, not a psychological one. The wokists, whether they know it or not (probably not) are using the term metaphorically and yet expect it to be taken literally. When a demonstrable fiction is imposed as truth on society, there will be costs.
Of course. We are seeing a massive cost amongst children who naturally look to adults for a lead which doesn’t appear to be forthcoming in this day.
Of course. We are seeing a massive cost amongst children who naturally look to adults for a lead which doesn’t appear to be forthcoming in this day.
Many years ago I downloaded a simple word game onto my phone. It annoyed me hugely by repeatedly refusing to accept the words sex, sexual etc, and piously informing me that there was no such word as sex! At the time I believed these bizarre pronouncements were due to American prudery (I had heard in the past of such a phenomenon) but in retrospect I believe it was an early attempt by some small Silicone Valley ap producers to “correct my thinking”.
It’s true that “gender” is not real in the way that “sex” is real. In another way, however, gender is indeed real–not inflexible but real nonetheless and therefore not to be trivialized as nothing more than a “social construct” that exists only to prevent “marginalized” people from seizing power.
This kind of reality is not always obvious at the personal level, but it is clear enough at the collective level. We can change gender systems (within limits), because gender is a cultural system and therefore governed primarily by culture instead of directly by nature. But plenty of historical and anthropological evidence indicates that cultures consistently favor some forms of gender expression over others.
That’s not what I once wanted very much to believe, because I clearly didn’t fit well into the gender system that I had inherited, and still don’t, but I now think that gender is a fact of life whether I (as an individual) like it or not. There’s some dignity, at any rate, in acknowledging even uncomfortable truths about the human condition.
Moreover, I can’t say that gender is inherently sinister. No society could exist without a gender system, no matter how minimal, or ever has existed without it. Like other cultural systems, including moral systems, it makes communal life possible for a social species. Unlike other species, which rely entirely or almost entirely on instinct, our species relies largely on the transmission of culture (and other traditions) from one generation to the next while allowing enough flexibility to encourage adaptation to new circumstances. This is a defining feature of Homo sapiens.
In short, it’s one thing to argue that men and women should negotiate a new gendered social contract, one that serves the needs of both sexes better than earlier ones, but it’s another thing to argue that there should be no such thing as gender (as some feminists have argued) or even that there’s no such thing as gender in the first place (as transgender ideologues argue). That’s because their notion of “gender identity” is entirely subjective and therefore unreal.
I think you’re using the word “gender” when you’re actually referring to “sex roles” within culture. One may not fit the expectations a culture has for the stereotypical male or female, but that certainly doesn’t mean that you belong in some other category that doesn’t conform to your gametes.
I don’t see your problem, Apo. Gender consists of masculinity and femininity–that is, “sex roles” roles for male people and female people. Some people don’t like theirs. As I say, though, that has nothing to do with sex. We’re all still either male or female.
I don’t see your problem, Apo. Gender consists of masculinity and femininity–that is, “sex roles” roles for male people and female people. Some people don’t like theirs. As I say, though, that has nothing to do with sex. We’re all still either male or female.
My goodness! I wonder how people managed before there was no word to name all that you see as being described as “gender”, before the word “gender” lost its purely grammatical meaning and came into use as something to do with sex-roles?
Perhaps, before 1950, people just used the term “sex-roles”. Or perhaps they just assumed some things were male and other things were female. Where I live, women still speak of “men’s colours” (brown, dark green, maroon etc) and “women’s colours” (yellow, light green etc).
As a young child I never ever heard the word “gender”. I first hear it when I started to learn languages in high school. Some languages had two genders, other had three (masculine, feminine and neuter).
Yes, “gender” is a recent innovation and still confuses people because of its ideological context. Even for grammarians, though, gender had nothing to do with either sex (maleness and femaleness) or sex roles (masculinity and femininity). They noticed that every noun, or almost every noun, had one of two characteristic sounds (in many languages, an ending).They noticed also that the most obvious paradigm of two-ness would make a convenient grammatical paradigm. So they called those nouns with one sound “masculine” and those with the other sound “feminine.” In some languages, additional nouns were neither one nor the other, so they were “neuter.”
I seriously doubt, for example, that the people of France associate some countries (such as La France and la Russie) with femaleness and others (Le Canada, Le Maroc) with maleness. In Hebrew, the holiest of days (shabbat) is masculine, but the holiest object (Torah) is feminine. In German, a woman is feminine (die Frau) but a wife is neuter (das Weib). It’s all arbitrary but nonetheless logical within the context of learning languages.
Yes, “gender” is a recent innovation and still confuses people because of its ideological context. Even for grammarians, though, gender had nothing to do with either sex (maleness and femaleness) or sex roles (masculinity and femininity). They noticed that every noun, or almost every noun, had one of two characteristic sounds (in many languages, an ending).They noticed also that the most obvious paradigm of two-ness would make a convenient grammatical paradigm. So they called those nouns with one sound “masculine” and those with the other sound “feminine.” In some languages, additional nouns were neither one nor the other, so they were “neuter.”
I seriously doubt, for example, that the people of France associate some countries (such as La France and la Russie) with femaleness and others (Le Canada, Le Maroc) with maleness. In Hebrew, the holiest of days (shabbat) is masculine, but the holiest object (Torah) is feminine. In German, a woman is feminine (die Frau) but a wife is neuter (das Weib). It’s all arbitrary but nonetheless logical within the context of learning languages.
I reluctantly came to the same conclusions, after resisting the very idea of gender norms for many years as a huge misfit in my own gender. Nowadays I find the idea of our society dismantling all gender norms altogether completely utopian and therefore unhelpful. Though many feminists may hate to hear this, many if not most people find life much easier with pre-existing guidelines on how to be out in the world, rather than having unlimited options and no rules. The gender norms can still be scrutinised, reviewed and negotiated of course, and there should be acceptance for those who for whatever reason don’t fit the mould.
What I never bought into is the bonkers idea that in order to free ourselves from gender norms, we must also throw out the reality and biological sex so that in theory there’s nothing left to attach gender norms to. Which seems to be the basis for the modern “gender-free” parenting.
I think you’re using the word “gender” when you’re actually referring to “sex roles” within culture. One may not fit the expectations a culture has for the stereotypical male or female, but that certainly doesn’t mean that you belong in some other category that doesn’t conform to your gametes.
My goodness! I wonder how people managed before there was no word to name all that you see as being described as “gender”, before the word “gender” lost its purely grammatical meaning and came into use as something to do with sex-roles?
Perhaps, before 1950, people just used the term “sex-roles”. Or perhaps they just assumed some things were male and other things were female. Where I live, women still speak of “men’s colours” (brown, dark green, maroon etc) and “women’s colours” (yellow, light green etc).
As a young child I never ever heard the word “gender”. I first hear it when I started to learn languages in high school. Some languages had two genders, other had three (masculine, feminine and neuter).
I reluctantly came to the same conclusions, after resisting the very idea of gender norms for many years as a huge misfit in my own gender. Nowadays I find the idea of our society dismantling all gender norms altogether completely utopian and therefore unhelpful. Though many feminists may hate to hear this, many if not most people find life much easier with pre-existing guidelines on how to be out in the world, rather than having unlimited options and no rules. The gender norms can still be scrutinised, reviewed and negotiated of course, and there should be acceptance for those who for whatever reason don’t fit the mould.
What I never bought into is the bonkers idea that in order to free ourselves from gender norms, we must also throw out the reality and biological sex so that in theory there’s nothing left to attach gender norms to. Which seems to be the basis for the modern “gender-free” parenting.
It’s a psychological / social / cultural problem. If it was simply about terminology, most non-English speaking cultures would be immune.
Gender has become something you think rather than the reality of what you actually are in your actual real body. Talk about ignoring reality.
Hear hear. When I was growing up, “gender” was a mere prissy middle-class synonym, what you said instead of saying “sex”, if in polite company. Such as the band “The Gender Pistols” lol.
I’ve never been sufficiently narrow-minded to have had a “gender”, and never have been too perturbed or impeded by the lack thereof.
This is a wonderful article, and nails the trivial modishness of this silly fad.
Quite right. Gender is a linguistic term, not a psychological one. The wokists, whether they know it or not (probably not) are using the term metaphorically and yet expect it to be taken literally. When a demonstrable fiction is imposed as truth on society, there will be costs.
Many years ago I downloaded a simple word game onto my phone. It annoyed me hugely by repeatedly refusing to accept the words sex, sexual etc, and piously informing me that there was no such word as sex! At the time I believed these bizarre pronouncements were due to American prudery (I had heard in the past of such a phenomenon) but in retrospect I believe it was an early attempt by some small Silicone Valley ap producers to “correct my thinking”.
It’s true that “gender” is not real in the way that “sex” is real. In another way, however, gender is indeed real–not inflexible but real nonetheless and therefore not to be trivialized as nothing more than a “social construct” that exists only to prevent “marginalized” people from seizing power.
This kind of reality is not always obvious at the personal level, but it is clear enough at the collective level. We can change gender systems (within limits), because gender is a cultural system and therefore governed primarily by culture instead of directly by nature. But plenty of historical and anthropological evidence indicates that cultures consistently favor some forms of gender expression over others.
That’s not what I once wanted very much to believe, because I clearly didn’t fit well into the gender system that I had inherited, and still don’t, but I now think that gender is a fact of life whether I (as an individual) like it or not. There’s some dignity, at any rate, in acknowledging even uncomfortable truths about the human condition.
Moreover, I can’t say that gender is inherently sinister. No society could exist without a gender system, no matter how minimal, or ever has existed without it. Like other cultural systems, including moral systems, it makes communal life possible for a social species. Unlike other species, which rely entirely or almost entirely on instinct, our species relies largely on the transmission of culture (and other traditions) from one generation to the next while allowing enough flexibility to encourage adaptation to new circumstances. This is a defining feature of Homo sapiens.
In short, it’s one thing to argue that men and women should negotiate a new gendered social contract, one that serves the needs of both sexes better than earlier ones, but it’s another thing to argue that there should be no such thing as gender (as some feminists have argued) or even that there’s no such thing as gender in the first place (as transgender ideologues argue). That’s because their notion of “gender identity” is entirely subjective and therefore unreal.
It’s a psychological / social / cultural problem. If it was simply about terminology, most non-English speaking cultures would be immune.
Gender has become something you think rather than the reality of what you actually are in your actual real body. Talk about ignoring reality.
We never would have got into this mess if we hadn’t imported the word “gender” from a linguistic noun descriptor into a replacement for “sex”. Sex is real (and binary), personality is real (and a spectrum), but gender isn’t.
The more I learn about it the more convinced I am that ‘trans’ is nothing more than a means by which low-status ugly people gain negative attention.
I think it’s more complicated than that. Simple answers are very seductive.
Indeed. Yesterday’s article on Buck Angel neatly demonstrates that.
It is and they are. That once-trusted institutions have not only succumbed to this sexually dysfunctional ideology but are also actively promoting it is very much a cause for concern. There seems to be a self-reinforcing loop at play here where authority figures love-bomb young people by affirming their delusions while at the same time denouncing those who refuse to participate in this massive lie as bigoted troglodytes who need to be silenced.
One has to ask where this is all heading. Myself, I think it’s about stripping away identities to make way for new ones more conducive to corporate consumption and state manipulation. Note how these gender identities, no matter how diverse they are, exclude masculine traits, unless exhibited by the correct group such as women or ethnic minorities. I would even go so far as to say that much of the current transgenderism is both a reaction to the pervasive demonization of men wherein many young boys feel that the only safe way to express themselves is in a ‘safe’ effeminate manner (a sort of bimboism) and a subconscious drive to compensate for the loss of femininity in Western women.
You might be right. It could be our culture’s subconscious drive to compensate for the loss of femininity in Western women.
Indeed. Yesterday’s article on Buck Angel neatly demonstrates that.
It is and they are. That once-trusted institutions have not only succumbed to this sexually dysfunctional ideology but are also actively promoting it is very much a cause for concern. There seems to be a self-reinforcing loop at play here where authority figures love-bomb young people by affirming their delusions while at the same time denouncing those who refuse to participate in this massive lie as bigoted troglodytes who need to be silenced.
One has to ask where this is all heading. Myself, I think it’s about stripping away identities to make way for new ones more conducive to corporate consumption and state manipulation. Note how these gender identities, no matter how diverse they are, exclude masculine traits, unless exhibited by the correct group such as women or ethnic minorities. I would even go so far as to say that much of the current transgenderism is both a reaction to the pervasive demonization of men wherein many young boys feel that the only safe way to express themselves is in a ‘safe’ effeminate manner (a sort of bimboism) and a subconscious drive to compensate for the loss of femininity in Western women.
You might be right. It could be our culture’s subconscious drive to compensate for the loss of femininity in Western women.
You could try Jan Morris’s autobiography “Conundrum” for an in depth, reflective account of a good looking, talented guy transitioning over a period of 30 years or so, as an educational corrective .
Many of those young people (and some adults) who decide they are ‘trans’ do so in response to feeling utterly terrible as a result of trauma of one sort or another. Not at all sure what you mean by ‘low-status’ but these young people are certainly not uniformly ‘ugly’ and it saddens me that you don’t grasp the underlying difficulties that lead people to claim to a ‘trans’ identity. It’s a dreadful fact that people who are suffering will grab onto anything that promises to make them feel better – traditionally it was religion. ‘Transgender’ is the new religious cult promising relief from psychological pain.
Lots of people, especially younger ones, that get sucked into it are perfectly normal or attractive, and very middle class.
I think it’s more complicated than that. Simple answers are very seductive.
You could try Jan Morris’s autobiography “Conundrum” for an in depth, reflective account of a good looking, talented guy transitioning over a period of 30 years or so, as an educational corrective .
Many of those young people (and some adults) who decide they are ‘trans’ do so in response to feeling utterly terrible as a result of trauma of one sort or another. Not at all sure what you mean by ‘low-status’ but these young people are certainly not uniformly ‘ugly’ and it saddens me that you don’t grasp the underlying difficulties that lead people to claim to a ‘trans’ identity. It’s a dreadful fact that people who are suffering will grab onto anything that promises to make them feel better – traditionally it was religion. ‘Transgender’ is the new religious cult promising relief from psychological pain.
Lots of people, especially younger ones, that get sucked into it are perfectly normal or attractive, and very middle class.
The more I learn about it the more convinced I am that ‘trans’ is nothing more than a means by which low-status ugly people gain negative attention.
Great piece. My last comment didn’t post, so I will try again. As a teacher of 25 years (HS English) and mom of 2 daughters with autism, I am not surprised by this in the least. I see it every day at school. I am grateful my two daughters grew up before this entire business was infiltrated youth. They are both quite happily young women.
Children today are growing up drenched in the most violent and perverse pornography available on their devices at all times. I cannot fathom why neither party on either side of the political aisle makes any moves to do anything about that.
Clothing for girls today is damn near scandalous, and if girls don’t want to be fashionable, their only choice is sweats which some of them opt to wear. When I ask my students about the state of affairs for girls and women today, they talk about rape on college campuses, girls sports being secondary, their fears about safety, depression, anxiety, etc. I never felt as unsafe in the world as they do and I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and rape as an adult. But to them to world is a hunting ground.
No wonder then that some girls want to avoid it all – leering men, college rape, the hypersexualization of women, pornified sex – by halting puberty and staying childlike boys. It’s a sad statement on how they feel about become women.
As for the men who want to be women, I think that is entirely different. I read a piece recently about trancels – incel men who have no success with women (whom they actually hate) and choose to live as women to access women (whom they still hate). I think a large amount of the trans activists we see are this lot. They perhaps are fetishists and often dangerous.
I do think some people truly have gender dysphoria, but I think are and have always been quite rare. And in all likelihood, those who have had counseling and treatment have passed as the opposite gender without fanfare or notice. I feel badly for them now because I am sure they didn’t want to be dragged into all of this nonsense.
I’m with you on the pornography. There’s some very dangerous stuff out there – not just in terms of visual matter, but also hypnosis videos encouraging demasculation. Some of these are rooted in witchcraft and even have occult symbology thrown in.
And a good comment on the article.
As I’ve noted elsewhere, the huge inflation in “cases” is bad for the genuine sufferers not only because they get dragged into the nonsense. It also diminishes our visibility of the fewer real sufferers (unless you have personal experience) and makes us generally sceptical and unsympathetic. Even worse, it sucks resources away from those in need to those who really aren’t.
My own limited experience in childhood anxiety problems is that coping with them is so demanding for both the child and the parents that there’s little tiem or energy left to go out campaigning and flag waving. Most of the suffering and hard slog is done in private in people’s homes – often by people who feel unable to even leave home.
17 hour delay getting this past the UnHerd censors. Why ? Just why ?
Yes, indeed. I had a student recently tell me her autism was “flaring.” This child has no diagnosis at all. And as someone who lives with two autistic people, autism doesn’t flare; it’s always there. But, another new trend is diagnosing oneself with any variety of mental health disorder or disability via Tik Tok.
The student wanted to go to the Student Center, our little mental health clinic at school where they can go pet therapy dogs and color. I had to let her go lest I be deemed unresponsive to her mental health needs, but I knew full well she is not autistic. Having two daughters who are autistic, and one who is quite autistic -will never be able to live independently – her words stung a bit. But it’s the culture. It’s not entirely her fault. Your observation is so correct. Students who are truly bipolar or have Tourette’s, etc. are not shouting it to the rooftops for attention.
It’s so strange that things that used to be wrongly stigmatized and hidden are now sought after and the result it the way they actually affect people is obscured. We have gone massively in the other direction, but people are just as insensitive and narcissistic. It’s hard to listen to the self-diagnosed autistics who wax poetic online about their autism while my sweet 24 year-old daughter watches another episode the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.
17 hour delay getting this past the UnHerd censors. Why ? Just why ?
Yes, indeed. I had a student recently tell me her autism was “flaring.” This child has no diagnosis at all. And as someone who lives with two autistic people, autism doesn’t flare; it’s always there. But, another new trend is diagnosing oneself with any variety of mental health disorder or disability via Tik Tok.
The student wanted to go to the Student Center, our little mental health clinic at school where they can go pet therapy dogs and color. I had to let her go lest I be deemed unresponsive to her mental health needs, but I knew full well she is not autistic. Having two daughters who are autistic, and one who is quite autistic -will never be able to live independently – her words stung a bit. But it’s the culture. It’s not entirely her fault. Your observation is so correct. Students who are truly bipolar or have Tourette’s, etc. are not shouting it to the rooftops for attention.
It’s so strange that things that used to be wrongly stigmatized and hidden are now sought after and the result it the way they actually affect people is obscured. We have gone massively in the other direction, but people are just as insensitive and narcissistic. It’s hard to listen to the self-diagnosed autistics who wax poetic online about their autism while my sweet 24 year-old daughter watches another episode the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.
You are probably so right in what you say. I wonder what the solutions are? Certainly the politicians do not have the answers apart from Miriam Cates.
Thanks for those comments, makes perfect sense.
I’m with you on the pornography. There’s some very dangerous stuff out there – not just in terms of visual matter, but also hypnosis videos encouraging demasculation. Some of these are rooted in witchcraft and even have occult symbology thrown in.
And a good comment on the article.
As I’ve noted elsewhere, the huge inflation in “cases” is bad for the genuine sufferers not only because they get dragged into the nonsense. It also diminishes our visibility of the fewer real sufferers (unless you have personal experience) and makes us generally sceptical and unsympathetic. Even worse, it sucks resources away from those in need to those who really aren’t.
My own limited experience in childhood anxiety problems is that coping with them is so demanding for both the child and the parents that there’s little tiem or energy left to go out campaigning and flag waving. Most of the suffering and hard slog is done in private in people’s homes – often by people who feel unable to even leave home.
You are probably so right in what you say. I wonder what the solutions are? Certainly the politicians do not have the answers apart from Miriam Cates.
Thanks for those comments, makes perfect sense.
Great piece. My last comment didn’t post, so I will try again. As a teacher of 25 years (HS English) and mom of 2 daughters with autism, I am not surprised by this in the least. I see it every day at school. I am grateful my two daughters grew up before this entire business was infiltrated youth. They are both quite happily young women.
Children today are growing up drenched in the most violent and perverse pornography available on their devices at all times. I cannot fathom why neither party on either side of the political aisle makes any moves to do anything about that.
Clothing for girls today is damn near scandalous, and if girls don’t want to be fashionable, their only choice is sweats which some of them opt to wear. When I ask my students about the state of affairs for girls and women today, they talk about rape on college campuses, girls sports being secondary, their fears about safety, depression, anxiety, etc. I never felt as unsafe in the world as they do and I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and rape as an adult. But to them to world is a hunting ground.
No wonder then that some girls want to avoid it all – leering men, college rape, the hypersexualization of women, pornified sex – by halting puberty and staying childlike boys. It’s a sad statement on how they feel about become women.
As for the men who want to be women, I think that is entirely different. I read a piece recently about trancels – incel men who have no success with women (whom they actually hate) and choose to live as women to access women (whom they still hate). I think a large amount of the trans activists we see are this lot. They perhaps are fetishists and often dangerous.
I do think some people truly have gender dysphoria, but I think are and have always been quite rare. And in all likelihood, those who have had counseling and treatment have passed as the opposite gender without fanfare or notice. I feel badly for them now because I am sure they didn’t want to be dragged into all of this nonsense.
I fear that the focus on effeminate men drinking low alcohol beer is distracting (possibly by design) from the real issue of FGM and MGM, whether by drugs or surgery, being advocated for adolescent children. It’s good to see Lionel focusing on the impact on children.
Safe single-sex bathrooms, prisons and refuges matter, but perhaps it’s a different problem, relating to some rather strange people, that crowds out the conversation about the harm being done to children. (That said, I can’t even begin to understand the insanity of mixed loos in schools.)
I totally agree but there are some politicians and school inspectors who live in cloud cuckoo land.
I totally agree but there are some politicians and school inspectors who live in cloud cuckoo land.
I fear that the focus on effeminate men drinking low alcohol beer is distracting (possibly by design) from the real issue of FGM and MGM, whether by drugs or surgery, being advocated for adolescent children. It’s good to see Lionel focusing on the impact on children.
Safe single-sex bathrooms, prisons and refuges matter, but perhaps it’s a different problem, relating to some rather strange people, that crowds out the conversation about the harm being done to children. (That said, I can’t even begin to understand the insanity of mixed loos in schools.)
What a classy, smart writer Lionel Shriver is. This is an excellent article for which, no doubt, she will receive torrents of abuse.
Most agree with her as far as I can see. Get in the schools and politics and you might see dissension.
I agree, absolutely. What’s more, she knows very well what the reaction will be. That’s what makes her courageous as well as brave.
Most agree with her as far as I can see. Get in the schools and politics and you might see dissension.
I agree, absolutely. What’s more, she knows very well what the reaction will be. That’s what makes her courageous as well as brave.
What a classy, smart writer Lionel Shriver is. This is an excellent article for which, no doubt, she will receive torrents of abuse.
Viewing newsreel footage of 100 years ago it would be easy to assume that everyone was anorexic in the 1920s. No one would pay attention to a person eating barely enough to survive because everyone ate barely enough to survive. It is only as people have started eating more that attention has started to be paid to anorexic people. Attention-seeking as much as self-identification is probably the reason for people to claim to be anorexic or trans.
BTW De Beauvoir wrote about anorexia in the 50s in ‘The Second Sex’. One of her explanations was the desire to delay or reverse puberty (as mentioned above). The other was the desire of girls to control their own lives, when the only control they could exercise was the refusal to eat.
Viewing newsreel footage of 100 years ago it would be easy to assume that everyone was anorexic in the 1920s. No one would pay attention to a person eating barely enough to survive because everyone ate barely enough to survive. It is only as people have started eating more that attention has started to be paid to anorexic people. Attention-seeking as much as self-identification is probably the reason for people to claim to be anorexic or trans.
BTW De Beauvoir wrote about anorexia in the 50s in ‘The Second Sex’. One of her explanations was the desire to delay or reverse puberty (as mentioned above). The other was the desire of girls to control their own lives, when the only control they could exercise was the refusal to eat.
Excellent article. But Lionel is taking personal and professional risk in stating the truth.. That’s the other very dark aspect to this modern , western insanity.
But that’s very much what she does. And kudos to her for speaking truth to power.
But that’s very much what she does. And kudos to her for speaking truth to power.
Excellent article. But Lionel is taking personal and professional risk in stating the truth.. That’s the other very dark aspect to this modern , western insanity.
Why does nobody seem to point out that this is an American problem which they have, like so many others, exported to us. American cultural imperialism is real and very damaging, yet we have no defences against it.
My defence is the bible personally.
I think we have defences, imperfect but probably good enough. Humour, mature institutions and so forth. The problems with woke, fake preachers, trans activism overreach, Faux Newz, violence, guns, drugs – sure we have them over here – I’d say at only 1-25% as much as America.
As an American, I’ve heard other countries but mainly the UK gripe about how “the Americans exported this issue” or “it’s been exported here by the US,” always framed liked that in the past tense or passive voice. While I understand exactly what you mean in the literal sense, it’s seems a bit like passing the buck (and also ironic in that it frames the US as this influential world-shaping super power against which wealthy European nations have no power to contradict, which you will get yelled at and called an “arrogant, stupid American” for asserting if you’re American). It’s easier for me to understand how lower income or formerly-colonialized nations can claim they are the victims of “cultural imperialism” like when Ireland bemoans the literal export of medical gender transition to minors by the UK GIDS clinic bringing their treatments to Irish children. But I find these claims a bit rich coming from the UK. Could you give me an example of this so-called “American cultural imperialism” that isn’t an example of the UK scrambling to copy us like the playground bully’s lackey?
My defence is the bible personally.
I think we have defences, imperfect but probably good enough. Humour, mature institutions and so forth. The problems with woke, fake preachers, trans activism overreach, Faux Newz, violence, guns, drugs – sure we have them over here – I’d say at only 1-25% as much as America.
As an American, I’ve heard other countries but mainly the UK gripe about how “the Americans exported this issue” or “it’s been exported here by the US,” always framed liked that in the past tense or passive voice. While I understand exactly what you mean in the literal sense, it’s seems a bit like passing the buck (and also ironic in that it frames the US as this influential world-shaping super power against which wealthy European nations have no power to contradict, which you will get yelled at and called an “arrogant, stupid American” for asserting if you’re American). It’s easier for me to understand how lower income or formerly-colonialized nations can claim they are the victims of “cultural imperialism” like when Ireland bemoans the literal export of medical gender transition to minors by the UK GIDS clinic bringing their treatments to Irish children. But I find these claims a bit rich coming from the UK. Could you give me an example of this so-called “American cultural imperialism” that isn’t an example of the UK scrambling to copy us like the playground bully’s lackey?
Why does nobody seem to point out that this is an American problem which they have, like so many others, exported to us. American cultural imperialism is real and very damaging, yet we have no defences against it.
The author left out a step: cutting. I’m retired now but I used to work with troubled teens and the teen girl fashion went from anorexia to cutting and then to trans. You cannot imagine how clear it was that fads were moving on. Within a few months we saw one problem drop off as the new one took its place. It is obvious that our society is failing our children in the worst ways. I thank God every day that my grandchildren are being homeschooled and kept away from social media.
The author left out a step: cutting. I’m retired now but I used to work with troubled teens and the teen girl fashion went from anorexia to cutting and then to trans. You cannot imagine how clear it was that fads were moving on. Within a few months we saw one problem drop off as the new one took its place. It is obvious that our society is failing our children in the worst ways. I thank God every day that my grandchildren are being homeschooled and kept away from social media.
No one is ever born in the “wrong” body. It’s a meaningless statement. In the 19th century, the “doubting disease” mystified doctors; today we call it obsessive-compulsive disorder. It’s a reasonable hypothesis that OCD-like unwelcome and uncontrollable intrusive thoughts and feelings about whether you might be the opposite sex could be aetiologically related to gender dysphoria. On a separate point, transgenderism’s insistence that the condition is self-diagnosable and normal is driven by the inherent need to pass as the opposite sex – in other words, this demand need not be taken at face value as it is part of the pathology. In extreme cases, though, medical transition may be the only way for a suffering being to cope with life. We must accept this even while awareness of the need to counter the social epidemic is growing.
Indeed, literally every cell in your body communicates what sex you are. Every single person on the planet is the sex their DNA told them to be.
Gender identity ideology doesn’t just insist that transgenderism IS self-diagnosable, it insists that transgenderism is ONLY self-diagnosable. What other human condition, quality or illness is subject to such a ludicrous exemption from any kind of critical analysis?
What makes it worse is the misplaced empathy for the condition espoused by some politicians.
microaggressions
What makes it worse is the misplaced empathy for the condition espoused by some politicians.
microaggressions
I met a patient in a psychiatric ward when visiting who really believed he was Jesus Christ. Way beyond thinking you are the opposite sex perhaps, but there does appear to be something similar happening. I suppose that being Jesus Christ feels better than being you even if others think you are mad.
Indeed, literally every cell in your body communicates what sex you are. Every single person on the planet is the sex their DNA told them to be.
Gender identity ideology doesn’t just insist that transgenderism IS self-diagnosable, it insists that transgenderism is ONLY self-diagnosable. What other human condition, quality or illness is subject to such a ludicrous exemption from any kind of critical analysis?
I met a patient in a psychiatric ward when visiting who really believed he was Jesus Christ. Way beyond thinking you are the opposite sex perhaps, but there does appear to be something similar happening. I suppose that being Jesus Christ feels better than being you even if others think you are mad.
No one is ever born in the “wrong” body. It’s a meaningless statement. In the 19th century, the “doubting disease” mystified doctors; today we call it obsessive-compulsive disorder. It’s a reasonable hypothesis that OCD-like unwelcome and uncontrollable intrusive thoughts and feelings about whether you might be the opposite sex could be aetiologically related to gender dysphoria. On a separate point, transgenderism’s insistence that the condition is self-diagnosable and normal is driven by the inherent need to pass as the opposite sex – in other words, this demand need not be taken at face value as it is part of the pathology. In extreme cases, though, medical transition may be the only way for a suffering being to cope with life. We must accept this even while awareness of the need to counter the social epidemic is growing.
A fascinating article, a thought provoking POV. I’m off to pocess my thoughts.
“pocess”!
Process or possess?
POV?
“pocess”!
Process or possess?
POV?
A fascinating article, a thought provoking POV. I’m off to pocess my thoughts.
Anorexia has many different presentations, and it can’t be simplified under one umbrella that characterizes the dysmorphic type. There is a lot of evidence to explain why they believe the disease is genetic. Many presenters are young – 8, 9, 10, and 11 like my daughter. Never was there a complaint about being fat. A growth spurt triggered weight loss, then the whole gastrointestinal system shut down, so that hunger and thirst signals disappeared. Not everyone is capable of starving themselves even if they want to. Most have dysautotomia. Often the first trigger, which is sudden weight loss is unintentional. Like you said, many have comorbidities as well including a high number with autistic traits. It’s a bizarre, mind-boggling disease.
It sounds very difficult, to put it mildly, and I am sorry to hear that your family is dealing with this. With a physical rather than psychological trigger, though, isn’t this different from the more common form of anorexia nervosa? My understanding (possibly incorrect) of the latter term is that “nervosa” indicates the secondary (psychological) origin, where the contagion effect is relevant.
Dieting is a trigger, and is relevant to contagion; however, many who diet, cannot starve themselves to the extent that others can. This is where you see the similarities across anorexia regardless of the trigger. The starved brain and metabolic changes make it very difficult to weight restore. Due to the initial weight loss and cell damage associated, they become hypermetabolic, and at times, can’t gain weight on 4000 calories a day. My daughter at 11 was fed 3500 calories a day in a hospital and was forced to remain in bed. She couldn’t gain weight. They also get an overactive amygdala – the part of the brain that gives us the rudimentary fight/flight response. Restricting also decreases seratronin levels and during refeeding, many have the same aggitated response like their brain is on fire. It’s as if restricting feels better by keeping the neurotransmitters under control. It’s very complicated, but true that in many, they don’t have normal hunger/thirst cues after a short period of restricting no matter what the reason. This is where the genetic component comes in.
Dieting is a trigger, and is relevant to contagion; however, many who diet, cannot starve themselves to the extent that others can. This is where you see the similarities across anorexia regardless of the trigger. The starved brain and metabolic changes make it very difficult to weight restore. Due to the initial weight loss and cell damage associated, they become hypermetabolic, and at times, can’t gain weight on 4000 calories a day. My daughter at 11 was fed 3500 calories a day in a hospital and was forced to remain in bed. She couldn’t gain weight. They also get an overactive amygdala – the part of the brain that gives us the rudimentary fight/flight response. Restricting also decreases seratronin levels and during refeeding, many have the same aggitated response like their brain is on fire. It’s as if restricting feels better by keeping the neurotransmitters under control. It’s very complicated, but true that in many, they don’t have normal hunger/thirst cues after a short period of restricting no matter what the reason. This is where the genetic component comes in.
Why now after all these years? Something is not right.
In regards to anorexia, it was documented centuries ago. Dieting is a new trigger due to societies image of beauty.
In regards to anorexia, it was documented centuries ago. Dieting is a new trigger due to societies image of beauty.
Sounds like your daughter may have the wrong diagnosis. If her weightloss wasn’t triggered by a desire to lose weight, then it sounds like she might have something wrong with her digestive tract. If you have not already, I would suggest you have her checked out for food allergies or intolerances, crones disease, ulcerative colitis, and coeliac disease.
I was misdiagnosed with anorexia in my teens when I rapidly lost weight without trying. I certainly did have body dysmorphia and it never resolved, no matter how much therapy I had (though I did regain the weight). Then in my late 30’s I got very sick and eventually was diagnosed with coeliac disease. Once I gave up the gluten a miraculous change came over me (within days). My body stopped feeling rotten. It stopped feeling like an awful place to be. In fact it felt quite nice to be in my body, and thus by body dysmorphia went away. It had a physical cause. My current doctor (who is also a naturopath) when I shared this fact with her said that in her experience every single patient she’s ever worked with who has or has had an eating disorder has turned out to have some legitimate but undiagnosed food allergy or intolerance (or worse), so I don’t think this piece of the puzzle is unique to me.
You are completely right that anorexia (and EDs more generally) have many presentations. These topics are infinitely difficult to dissect. All the best to you and your daughter.
It sounds very difficult, to put it mildly, and I am sorry to hear that your family is dealing with this. With a physical rather than psychological trigger, though, isn’t this different from the more common form of anorexia nervosa? My understanding (possibly incorrect) of the latter term is that “nervosa” indicates the secondary (psychological) origin, where the contagion effect is relevant.
Why now after all these years? Something is not right.
Sounds like your daughter may have the wrong diagnosis. If her weightloss wasn’t triggered by a desire to lose weight, then it sounds like she might have something wrong with her digestive tract. If you have not already, I would suggest you have her checked out for food allergies or intolerances, crones disease, ulcerative colitis, and coeliac disease.
I was misdiagnosed with anorexia in my teens when I rapidly lost weight without trying. I certainly did have body dysmorphia and it never resolved, no matter how much therapy I had (though I did regain the weight). Then in my late 30’s I got very sick and eventually was diagnosed with coeliac disease. Once I gave up the gluten a miraculous change came over me (within days). My body stopped feeling rotten. It stopped feeling like an awful place to be. In fact it felt quite nice to be in my body, and thus by body dysmorphia went away. It had a physical cause. My current doctor (who is also a naturopath) when I shared this fact with her said that in her experience every single patient she’s ever worked with who has or has had an eating disorder has turned out to have some legitimate but undiagnosed food allergy or intolerance (or worse), so I don’t think this piece of the puzzle is unique to me.
You are completely right that anorexia (and EDs more generally) have many presentations. These topics are infinitely difficult to dissect. All the best to you and your daughter.
Anorexia has many different presentations, and it can’t be simplified under one umbrella that characterizes the dysmorphic type. There is a lot of evidence to explain why they believe the disease is genetic. Many presenters are young – 8, 9, 10, and 11 like my daughter. Never was there a complaint about being fat. A growth spurt triggered weight loss, then the whole gastrointestinal system shut down, so that hunger and thirst signals disappeared. Not everyone is capable of starving themselves even if they want to. Most have dysautotomia. Often the first trigger, which is sudden weight loss is unintentional. Like you said, many have comorbidities as well including a high number with autistic traits. It’s a bizarre, mind-boggling disease.
It is remarkable how trans activists and their progressive allies both in an out of medicine have so quickly changed the standard of care for gender dysphoria – first they got it tossed from the DSM, then they made use of the term a sign of bigotry and now they are teaching preschoolers that women can have penises and men can have vaginas. They have normalized a form of mental illness and now are sweeping in the anxious, the autistic and the depressed.
Under the old standard of care patients, mostly men, with gender dysphoria spent years in therapy with a psychologist and years socially transitioning before being medically transitioned, preventing the rampant misdiagnosis we are seeing today. How many detransitioners and nightmare stories of surgical complications will it take for the medical profession to return to sanity.
Future generations will look back in horror at today and this period will be a black mark on psychology and the medical profession.
I’m not sure of the extent to which psychology & medics are on board with this – rather, it’s politically/activist led, supported by the tacit support or silence of teachers, journalists, corporations etc – apparently for quite selfish reasons. Case in point: there is just one radical trans clinic in the UK, or rather was, because it is being shut down – because the medics and psychs (not the pols or the people) found it was not fit for purpose. Interesting perhaps that the Tavistock was also the last holdout of psychoanalysis within the NHS – arrogantly refusing modern psychology until quite recently.
The extent to which the psychiatric, pharmacological and medica industries are on board with this can be measured by the obscene amount of money this has been making them. The Tavistock mutilated children for years with their explicit blessing.
The Tavistock/GIDS staff are/were NHS employees, paid the same as they would be in any NHS clinic or hospital in the country. Which is also about 50% or less of what they could expect to earn in private practice, or abroad. No profits at all let alone obscene ones for anyone but the drugs companies – and I’m pretty sure they are not getting fat on sales in the UK (typical cost of hormones for a sex change are about £20 a month).
The Tavistock/GIDS staff are/were NHS employees, paid the same as they would be in any NHS clinic or hospital in the country. Which is also about 50% or less of what they could expect to earn in private practice, or abroad. No profits at all let alone obscene ones for anyone but the drugs companies – and I’m pretty sure they are not getting fat on sales in the UK (typical cost of hormones for a sex change are about £20 a month).
The extent to which the psychiatric, pharmacological and medica industries are on board with this can be measured by the obscene amount of money this has been making them. The Tavistock mutilated children for years with their explicit blessing.
I’m not sure of the extent to which psychology & medics are on board with this – rather, it’s politically/activist led, supported by the tacit support or silence of teachers, journalists, corporations etc – apparently for quite selfish reasons. Case in point: there is just one radical trans clinic in the UK, or rather was, because it is being shut down – because the medics and psychs (not the pols or the people) found it was not fit for purpose. Interesting perhaps that the Tavistock was also the last holdout of psychoanalysis within the NHS – arrogantly refusing modern psychology until quite recently.
It is remarkable how trans activists and their progressive allies both in an out of medicine have so quickly changed the standard of care for gender dysphoria – first they got it tossed from the DSM, then they made use of the term a sign of bigotry and now they are teaching preschoolers that women can have penises and men can have vaginas. They have normalized a form of mental illness and now are sweeping in the anxious, the autistic and the depressed.
Under the old standard of care patients, mostly men, with gender dysphoria spent years in therapy with a psychologist and years socially transitioning before being medically transitioned, preventing the rampant misdiagnosis we are seeing today. How many detransitioners and nightmare stories of surgical complications will it take for the medical profession to return to sanity.
Future generations will look back in horror at today and this period will be a black mark on psychology and the medical profession.
This reminds me of an article I read about a tv show in the Netherlands where adults literally get naked for children so children can ask questions about the human body. I have to wonder about who the viewing audience are…
At any rate, they hosted transgender men and women apparently. One described bottom surgery as Euphoric. When the child asked if it felt like flying, the person replied, “Yes.”
It gets worse. Two children then proclaimed they wished to do it. The undressed adults all smiled.
This is insane. Telling children it feels good to dismember yourself…like flying, no less? What do you think will happen? How many new trans children will this show inspire. How many children dream of flying?
I still feel sick after reading that story.
This reminds me of an article I read about a tv show in the Netherlands where adults literally get naked for children so children can ask questions about the human body. I have to wonder about who the viewing audience are…
At any rate, they hosted transgender men and women apparently. One described bottom surgery as Euphoric. When the child asked if it felt like flying, the person replied, “Yes.”
It gets worse. Two children then proclaimed they wished to do it. The undressed adults all smiled.
This is insane. Telling children it feels good to dismember yourself…like flying, no less? What do you think will happen? How many new trans children will this show inspire. How many children dream of flying?
I still feel sick after reading that story.
Some powerful stuff here. And yet there are tans people who seem happy and well adjusted and have been so for many years. I agree that thinking yourself trans can be driven by other issues and by our weird culture, but what do we say about people who seem genuinely happier in their new identity and have been for a long time?
I think there is also a desire for control that pushes transgenderism. For most us, we understand that happiness with our bodies generally comes from acceptance of our bodies and most people accept that once puberty hits, certain aspects of our body will be out of our control (hormones and their affects), we accept this and get on with our lives. One wonders if, similarly to anorexics, those who want to identify as trans, see it as a way of taking control of aspects of their life?
Absolutely agree, but I think the contented, well functioning trans people out there should make us wary of a default negative view.
I cannot seriously think they are on mass contented by a long shot.
Even that seemingly healthy and happy cohort of OG trans folk, if you look beneath the surface are extremely mentally fragile. Their health and happiness is brittle in the extreme.
I cannot seriously think they are on mass contented by a long shot.
Even that seemingly healthy and happy cohort of OG trans folk, if you look beneath the surface are extremely mentally fragile. Their health and happiness is brittle in the extreme.
Absolutely agree, but I think the contented, well functioning trans people out there should make us wary of a default negative view.
There are people with delusions that they are Napoleon who are happy. Having a delusion does not mean that you have to be miserable but that does not mean that encouraging someone in their delusions is either the moral thing to do or what is best for them.
I’ve treated people who thought they were God, an archangel, a fugitive from the CIA etc, they were never happy in my experience, at least not for long. You’re jumping ahead of the evidence and relying on the force of your rhetoric, never the best thing in the long run. Mainstream psychiatry does not view being trans as an automatic mental health disorder, though it might be in certain circumstances, and things move on. The last person sectioned under the British mental health act for being gay, was in the 1970s but we don’t think that’s a mental illness any more.
I’ve treated many people who thought they were God, angels etc [never Napoleon] and they’re not happy, at least not in the long term. Whatever being a longstanding, well functioning trans person is, it isn’t delusional in any psychotic sense. Leaving such people alone [what they want you to do] isn’t encouraging them. They are perfectly able to decide for themselves what’s best for them.
I’ve treated people who thought they were God, an archangel, a fugitive from the CIA etc, they were never happy in my experience, at least not for long. You’re jumping ahead of the evidence and relying on the force of your rhetoric, never the best thing in the long run. Mainstream psychiatry does not view being trans as an automatic mental health disorder, though it might be in certain circumstances, and things move on. The last person sectioned under the British mental health act for being gay, was in the 1970s but we don’t think that’s a mental illness any more.
I’ve treated many people who thought they were God, angels etc [never Napoleon] and they’re not happy, at least not in the long term. Whatever being a longstanding, well functioning trans person is, it isn’t delusional in any psychotic sense. Leaving such people alone [what they want you to do] isn’t encouraging them. They are perfectly able to decide for themselves what’s best for them.
The trans people who seem happy and well adjust and have been so for years are a different cohort from the vast majority of people who are “coming out” as trans these days. There has always been a tiny cohort of ultra effeminate gay men who feel more comfortable living as women, a tiny percentage of the already small percentage of men who are gay. They aren’t a problem to anyone, and transing may well be a good move for them. But the vast majority of the current crop of trans are misogynistic male autogynephiles (previously known as cross dressers), young girls who can’t cope with the thought of growing up and who would have had an eating disorder to avoid it if they had been part of my and Lionel’s generation, and young gay and lesbian kids with internalized homophobia attempting a trendy new way to conversion therapy themselves into straightness (better to be a trans woman than a gay man is their thinking).
I think there is also a desire for control that pushes transgenderism. For most us, we understand that happiness with our bodies generally comes from acceptance of our bodies and most people accept that once puberty hits, certain aspects of our body will be out of our control (hormones and their affects), we accept this and get on with our lives. One wonders if, similarly to anorexics, those who want to identify as trans, see it as a way of taking control of aspects of their life?
There are people with delusions that they are Napoleon who are happy. Having a delusion does not mean that you have to be miserable but that does not mean that encouraging someone in their delusions is either the moral thing to do or what is best for them.
The trans people who seem happy and well adjust and have been so for years are a different cohort from the vast majority of people who are “coming out” as trans these days. There has always been a tiny cohort of ultra effeminate gay men who feel more comfortable living as women, a tiny percentage of the already small percentage of men who are gay. They aren’t a problem to anyone, and transing may well be a good move for them. But the vast majority of the current crop of trans are misogynistic male autogynephiles (previously known as cross dressers), young girls who can’t cope with the thought of growing up and who would have had an eating disorder to avoid it if they had been part of my and Lionel’s generation, and young gay and lesbian kids with internalized homophobia attempting a trendy new way to conversion therapy themselves into straightness (better to be a trans woman than a gay man is their thinking).
Some powerful stuff here. And yet there are tans people who seem happy and well adjusted and have been so for many years. I agree that thinking yourself trans can be driven by other issues and by our weird culture, but what do we say about people who seem genuinely happier in their new identity and have been for a long time?
The anorexia angle ties in with fasting extremes, along with mortification (“self-harm”), practiced by medieval mystics. These were of both sexes but I think more women than men.
In those days the primary aim was to transform the body not in life (as today) but to show that the sufferer had transcended their corruptible nature even after death.
The body of someone who died of anorexia would often smell “sweet”, due to the release of acetone caused by Ketoacidosis. (Ketosis is a natural process that occurs when the body runs out of glucose and starts to metabolise fatty acids.) This even had a name, the “odour of sanctity”.
Of course it was a heresy that would have damaged it’s adherants.
Of course it was a heresy that would have damaged it’s adherants.
The anorexia angle ties in with fasting extremes, along with mortification (“self-harm”), practiced by medieval mystics. These were of both sexes but I think more women than men.
In those days the primary aim was to transform the body not in life (as today) but to show that the sufferer had transcended their corruptible nature even after death.
The body of someone who died of anorexia would often smell “sweet”, due to the release of acetone caused by Ketoacidosis. (Ketosis is a natural process that occurs when the body runs out of glucose and starts to metabolise fatty acids.) This even had a name, the “odour of sanctity”.
The parallel between anorexia and gender dysphoria among young girls has been out there for some time. Many years ago I did some research on the incidence of anorexia and how it changed over the period when so many girls seemed to be suffering. Surprisingly, the incidence of anorexia did not change all that much. The big boom was in bulimia.
The parallel between anorexia and gender dysphoria among young girls has been out there for some time. Many years ago I did some research on the incidence of anorexia and how it changed over the period when so many girls seemed to be suffering. Surprisingly, the incidence of anorexia did not change all that much. The big boom was in bulimia.
Great article.
Great article.
Lionel Shriver makes a good argument for links between anorexia and girls wanting to be boys. That desire goes back a long way. Anyone wanting to understand how a tomboy was integrated and partly accepted into society 60 yrs ago should watch Hayley Mills in Tiger Bay (1959). A fantastic film.
Nowadays we don’t seem to be able to tell what is real and what is not. This detachment from has bred a resentment of the confines of physical reality, and of our messy bodies.. I’m so grateful for Unherd writers like Matthew Crawford, Mary Harrington and Paul Kingsnorth who, in their different ways, all outline how it’s this inability to distinguish between what is real and what is not is driving our culture in the wrong direction.
Lionel Shriver makes a good argument for links between anorexia and girls wanting to be boys. That desire goes back a long way. Anyone wanting to understand how a tomboy was integrated and partly accepted into society 60 yrs ago should watch Hayley Mills in Tiger Bay (1959). A fantastic film.
Nowadays we don’t seem to be able to tell what is real and what is not. This detachment from has bred a resentment of the confines of physical reality, and of our messy bodies.. I’m so grateful for Unherd writers like Matthew Crawford, Mary Harrington and Paul Kingsnorth who, in their different ways, all outline how it’s this inability to distinguish between what is real and what is not is driving our culture in the wrong direction.
I think its more a means by which children suffering from serious mental health problems and social-media making their peers seem beautiful and happy, seek a transformation — and identity. It’s been glamorized. But I think there are a percentage of children for whom this might be the only solution, Just not THIS crazy percentage.
I think its more a means by which children suffering from serious mental health problems and social-media making their peers seem beautiful and happy, seek a transformation — and identity. It’s been glamorized. But I think there are a percentage of children for whom this might be the only solution, Just not THIS crazy percentage.
Excellent piece, many thanks.
Excellent piece, many thanks.
One thing about UnHerd is that sometimes it’s just so much fun! Shriver’s truth-telling, about both anorexia and trans-genderism, was just that; a wonderful first read in the morning. Infinitely better than what the NYTimes was offering.
One thing about UnHerd is that sometimes it’s just so much fun! Shriver’s truth-telling, about both anorexia and trans-genderism, was just that; a wonderful first read in the morning. Infinitely better than what the NYTimes was offering.
A fine piece of writing, Lionel. I’d like to add a thought if I may.
We all accept the idea that the human body can be, and all too often is, seriously impacted by life in the modern world. Novel pollutants like dioxins lead to all sorts of health problems. Even non-toxic, naturally occurring substances in high doses can have serious effects on bodies that aren’t accustomed to them. I’m thinking here of the consequences concentrated carbohydrates have had on the physiques of many non-Western peoples, causing to hugely elevated levels of diabetes. We understand these sad realities as true, and more than that inevitable given the frailties of the human body.
We’re less willing to accept that the human mind has frailties also, that its health can be similarly impacted by pollutants and excesses, albeit of different kinds. The mind we regard as almost infinitely adaptable. Properly formed and maintained, we assume that it can stand up to almost anything.
My sense is that that the reasoning of the piece relies heavily on this assumption, which to my way of seeing things is an error. It’s true that historically Western culture hasn’t seen much anorexia or gender dysphoria until recently. But then we also didn’t see much mesothelioma until asbestos came into widespread use. My point is that we are only starting to discover what modernity has done and is doing to our mental health. Some minds, like some bodies, can handle the novel toxins we’re putting out into the environment. Others can’t.
My hope is that one day on the not-too-distant future we’ll look back on our psychic environment the way we now look back at mid-20th century houses full of lead paint. Unnecessarily hazardous, particularly to our developing young.
But back to my point. I don’t mean to say that there isn’t a lot of fashionable me-too-ism out there. I remember reading something years ago about lactose intolerance, that for every actual case there were some 50 people who claimed to have it. It had caché. You’re right to raise the alarm about the dangers of caché for relatively rare disorders like anorexia and gender dysphoria. Please do remember, however, that just because the prevalence of these conditions is new, it’s not by definition unreal. There are true sufferers out there who deserve our help as well as our compassion.
A fine piece of writing, Lionel. I’d like to add a thought if I may.
We all accept the idea that the human body can be, and all too often is, seriously impacted by life in the modern world. Novel pollutants like dioxins lead to all sorts of health problems. Even non-toxic, naturally occurring substances in high doses can have serious effects on bodies that aren’t accustomed to them. I’m thinking here of the consequences concentrated carbohydrates have had on the physiques of many non-Western peoples, causing to hugely elevated levels of diabetes. We understand these sad realities as true, and more than that inevitable given the frailties of the human body.
We’re less willing to accept that the human mind has frailties also, that its health can be similarly impacted by pollutants and excesses, albeit of different kinds. The mind we regard as almost infinitely adaptable. Properly formed and maintained, we assume that it can stand up to almost anything.
My sense is that that the reasoning of the piece relies heavily on this assumption, which to my way of seeing things is an error. It’s true that historically Western culture hasn’t seen much anorexia or gender dysphoria until recently. But then we also didn’t see much mesothelioma until asbestos came into widespread use. My point is that we are only starting to discover what modernity has done and is doing to our mental health. Some minds, like some bodies, can handle the novel toxins we’re putting out into the environment. Others can’t.
My hope is that one day on the not-too-distant future we’ll look back on our psychic environment the way we now look back at mid-20th century houses full of lead paint. Unnecessarily hazardous, particularly to our developing young.
But back to my point. I don’t mean to say that there isn’t a lot of fashionable me-too-ism out there. I remember reading something years ago about lactose intolerance, that for every actual case there were some 50 people who claimed to have it. It had caché. You’re right to raise the alarm about the dangers of caché for relatively rare disorders like anorexia and gender dysphoria. Please do remember, however, that just because the prevalence of these conditions is new, it’s not by definition unreal. There are true sufferers out there who deserve our help as well as our compassion.
“Gender-affirming care” doesn’t treat the illness but indulges the patient’s delusions to the hilt.” FINALLY! Someone has the courage to say the emperor has no clothes.
“Gender-affirming care” doesn’t treat the illness but indulges the patient’s delusions to the hilt.” FINALLY! Someone has the courage to say the emperor has no clothes.
The analogy between transgenderism and anorexia is interesting but imperfect. I’m not aware of a subset of “anorexics” (autogynephilic trans-identified males) using another one (kids vulnerable for various reasons, autism, nascent homosexuality etc) as cover to manipulate the public into allowing them to pursue their paraphilia in the open.
The analogy between transgenderism and anorexia is interesting but imperfect. I’m not aware of a subset of “anorexics” (autogynephilic trans-identified males) using another one (kids vulnerable for various reasons, autism, nascent homosexuality etc) as cover to manipulate the public into allowing them to pursue their paraphilia in the open.
Why is this innocuous subject in ‘special measures’?
Surely it just one example of how degenerate the West has become in recent years, more’s the pity.
What makes you think it’s innocuous? And what do you mean by special measures?
What makes you think it’s innocuous? And what do you mean by special measures?
Why is this innocuous subject in ‘special measures’?
Surely it just one example of how degenerate the West has become in recent years, more’s the pity.
“Prestige diagnosis”—what a great phrase. Another one currently doing the rounds is autism.
“Prestige diagnosis”—what a great phrase. Another one currently doing the rounds is autism.
The article touched on the ‘grooming’ aspect of anorexia ‘Fellow starvelings may whisper competitive encouragement on those websites regulators are always trying to shut down…’. This is, I believe, also the case with the ‘trans’ population, some of whom are receiving powerful messages of affirmation and motivation via peer group forums, to continue with the treatment, stop listening to the nay-sayers, and persist in hating all those who ‘misgender’ or hanker after the old days. What is the difference between this and other forms of grooming?
The article touched on the ‘grooming’ aspect of anorexia ‘Fellow starvelings may whisper competitive encouragement on those websites regulators are always trying to shut down…’. This is, I believe, also the case with the ‘trans’ population, some of whom are receiving powerful messages of affirmation and motivation via peer group forums, to continue with the treatment, stop listening to the nay-sayers, and persist in hating all those who ‘misgender’ or hanker after the old days. What is the difference between this and other forms of grooming?
Excellent article – hope it is shared, shared, shared and shared again until sanity is restored.
Excellent article – hope it is shared, shared, shared and shared again until sanity is restored.
I am reminded of Woody Allen’s joke: ‘My dearest wish in life is that I was somebody else.’
I am reminded of Woody Allen’s joke: ‘My dearest wish in life is that I was somebody else.’
A good read to add some additional perspective would be Pandora’s Lab. The premise of the book is about science, media and government getting together around bad science followed up by bad government policy. In the case of transgenderism and the very overwhelming support by government officials in the US, strikes me to be very similar to one of the stories of the bad science about diet (trans fats) in the 80s which led to overzealous bad government policy and it killed a lot of people. There are other stories that could be applied in this discussion (one is about lobotomies used to cure undesired personalities, hmmm….)
The rush to carve out transgendered healthcare without a deeper understanding of the real science, or psychology as pointed out by author, will only end up causing irreversible physical and mental harm to a lot of people.
A good read to add some additional perspective would be Pandora’s Lab. The premise of the book is about science, media and government getting together around bad science followed up by bad government policy. In the case of transgenderism and the very overwhelming support by government officials in the US, strikes me to be very similar to one of the stories of the bad science about diet (trans fats) in the 80s which led to overzealous bad government policy and it killed a lot of people. There are other stories that could be applied in this discussion (one is about lobotomies used to cure undesired personalities, hmmm….)
The rush to carve out transgendered healthcare without a deeper understanding of the real science, or psychology as pointed out by author, will only end up causing irreversible physical and mental harm to a lot of people.
Starvation has been regarded as an ascetic ideal long before anorexia was invented. Perhaps we will see the emergence of a cult of mystic transgenderites?
Starvation has been regarded as an ascetic ideal long before anorexia was invented. Perhaps we will see the emergence of a cult of mystic transgenderites?
First they lost Christ. (The Reformation). Then they lost God. (The “enlightenment”). Then they lost their minds. – Fr. William Most
First they lost Christ. (The Reformation). Then they lost God. (The “enlightenment”). Then they lost their minds. – Fr. William Most
Excellent. However the answers to your other questions would also be appreciated. 🙂
A very good article. Also the vast majority of comments are thoughtful, respectful and lacking the venom so often found in MSM comments and that makes me wonder, as there are mentions about how long it took to get past moderation, if Unherd had to dispose of many unpleasant comments. I’m new to Unherd, so am uncertain if the people who comment are always so refreshingly different.
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This article should have started out by acknowledging that, while it may seem like they just became “a thing,” transgender folks have *always* been part of humanity. Throughout our history there have been many societies with more than two genders; at least one indigenous American tribe had five. Not only have trans people always been a part of us, but in other supposedly “primitive” societies they were accepted for what they are – fellow human beings struggling to get by in the world just like the rest of us. In fact, trans people often played special and prestigious roles within their communities, such as that of shaman.
That said, I have also been intensely curious about why so many more girls identify as trans compared to boys. I think we should be VERY careful when speculating about the reason for that disparity, but, since more girls than boys also DE-transition, I feel there is some room to speculate about what made THOSE particular girls transition in the first place; there should NOT be room for what this author did: blithely, arrogantly wave away hundreds of thousands of years of trans / human history and essentially attempt to colonize the trans identity out of existence.
I think it’s telling that the author failed to discuss what I see as the most obvious reason a small minority of transmen detransition back to a female identity: America’s regressive, utterly dysfunctional gender roles, the fundamental features of which are basically unchanged since the Victorian era. Our concepts of “femininity” and “masculinity” are not only arbitrary and man-made, but they set us up to fail, virtually guaranteeing a lifetime of conflict with the neighboring sex. I think it’s very possible that girls who wound up detransitioning on down the road TRULY felt they were trans because their own authentic selves didn’t conform to the degrading, insulting nonsense of “femininity.” Guess what – not all women are “passive, nurturing, expressive, and emotionally intelligent.” Not all of us accept marriage to a man and motherhood as our “destinies.” In fact, most women I know (myself included) aren’t radically different from most men I know.
If we stopped forcing people into little tiny identity prisons, they’d probably stop rebelling.
This article should have started out by acknowledging that, while it may seem like they just became “a thing,” transgender folks have *always* been part of humanity. Throughout our history there have been many societies with more than two genders; at least one indigenous American tribe had five. Not only have trans people always been a part of us, but in other supposedly “primitive” societies they were accepted for what they are – fellow human beings struggling to get by in the world just like the rest of us. In fact, trans people often played special and prestigious roles within their communities, such as that of shaman.
That said, I have also been intensely curious about why so many more girls identify as trans compared to boys. I think we should be VERY careful when speculating about the reason for that disparity, but, since more girls than boys also DE-transition, I feel there is some room to speculate about what made THOSE particular girls transition in the first place; there should NOT be room for what this author did: blithely, arrogantly wave away hundreds of thousands of years of trans / human history and essentially attempt to colonize the trans identity out of existence.
I think it’s telling that the author failed to discuss what I see as the most obvious reason a small minority of transmen detransition back to a female identity: America’s regressive, utterly dysfunctional gender roles, the fundamental features of which are basically unchanged since the Victorian era. Our concepts of “femininity” and “masculinity” are not only arbitrary and man-made, but they set us up to fail, virtually guaranteeing a lifetime of conflict with the neighboring sex. I think it’s very possible that girls who wound up detransitioning on down the road TRULY felt they were trans because their own authentic selves didn’t conform to the degrading, insulting nonsense of “femininity.” Guess what – not all women are “passive, nurturing, expressive, and emotionally intelligent.” Not all of us accept marriage to a man and motherhood as our “destinies.” In fact, most women I know (myself included) aren’t radically different from most men I know.
If we stopped forcing people into little tiny identity prisons, they’d probably stop rebelling.
Another 2 articles today on the trans issue.
Is Unherd feeding the beast and if everyone stopped writing about them would they cease to exist?
Another 2 articles today on the trans issue.
Is Unherd feeding the beast and if everyone stopped writing about them would they cease to exist?
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“diagnosis of transgenderism is purely subjective. The condition has no observable physical symptoms”
Simply not true. A man telling you he’s a woman, or a woman telling you she’s a man, manifest observable physical symptoms of transgenderism.
That is not an observable physical symptom because as soon as the comment passes into the ether it is no longer observable – it is subjective as stated in the article. This is why so many struggle when asked to confirm they believe a trans woman is a woman.
I didn’t mean to validate transgenderism, in case that was what you were thinking. In fairness, I think I was a bit over-hasty, and that you are right insofar as a person s saying “I believe in x” doesn’t in and of itself entail s’s belief in x. For such an inference to go through requires our trust in s’s sincerity as reporter of his own supposed belief in x.
Case 1. Our trust in s’s sincerity is misplaced, i.e. when s is a liar, then it is not true that s believes in x. Or in the present case, call the transgender-reporting individual s1, we do not believe s1 is a man who sincerely believes that he is a woman, i.e that this is a genuine case of transgenderism.
Case 2. Our trust in s2’s sincerity isn’t misplaced, i.e. when s2 sincerely believes that he is a woman, I would say that this is indeed a case of transgenderism – but also one of delusion.
Case 3. This case varies the hypothesis. Instead of saying “I believe that I am a woman”, s3 says “I want ‘I am a woman’ to be true.” On the one hand our trust in s3’s sincerity isn’t misplaced, because we have no reason to doubt his expression of his preferences, on the other hand he certainly isn’t deluded, because he is only stating a claim about what he would like to be viz. a woman, and not what he is viz. a man.
Call the Case 3 version “voluntary transgenderism” (vt) in contrast to the “belief transgenderism” (bt) of the first two Cases. While you’re right in that we have no basis for demarkating the liar non-transgenderist in C1 from the delusional transgenderist in C2 and the voluntary transgenderist in C3, I think nevertheless that it’s an indefensibly strong thesis to argue, as the implicit objection invites, that there are no or vanishingly few sincere reports of transgenderism.
In particular, I think that the C3 case is what presents the intellectual difficulty for the gender-critical among us. How do we accede to the sincerely-expressed wishes of a man to be treated like a woman, without violating the rights, dignity, safety, and sporting lives of woman and girls? The time was when I would have allowed myself to refer to a strapping thug in a frock, heels, lippy, and five o’clock shadow as “she”, but you won’t catch me doing that ever again after the way Posey Parker, Miriam Cates, Kathleen Stock, J.K.Rowling and countless others have been treated.
Secondly, while many reports of supposed transgenderism may “vanish into the ether”, it is by no means the case that all do. There are many instances of transgender individuals speaking to camera – and thus many observable individuals. Again, this falls foul of your demarkation objection, but with the same result – even if a proportion, perhaps even the majority, of the sample is dismissed as either liars or delusionals, nevertheless there will remain a rump of voluntary transgenderists who have to be engaged with or otherwise dealt with.
Your penultimate paragraph is, i think, where a great many people who’ve thought seriously about the trans issue stand, including myself. No-one could have any disagreement with someone who simply wishes to live their life as a different gender, until that wish impacts upon the ability of others to lead lives without the safety net of spaces reserved for their biological sex.
Upon the breaking of that rock, transactivism is founded and with it comes the promulgation of transitioning before an individual becomes sufficiently mature to weigh up all their options.
The word “transitioning” is a misnomer and an illusion. Surgically removing your breasts and ovaries does not make you male. Just like removing your p***s doesn’t make you female. And just like gluing a tail to the back of my trousers doesn’t make me a cheetah. One must completely reject the concept of objective truth and human biology in order to believe otherwise.
The word “transitioning” is a misnomer and an illusion. Surgically removing your breasts and ovaries does not make you male. Just like removing your p***s doesn’t make you female. And just like gluing a tail to the back of my trousers doesn’t make me a cheetah. One must completely reject the concept of objective truth and human biology in order to believe otherwise.
Your penultimate paragraph is, i think, where a great many people who’ve thought seriously about the trans issue stand, including myself. No-one could have any disagreement with someone who simply wishes to live their life as a different gender, until that wish impacts upon the ability of others to lead lives without the safety net of spaces reserved for their biological sex.
Upon the breaking of that rock, transactivism is founded and with it comes the promulgation of transitioning before an individual becomes sufficiently mature to weigh up all their options.
I didn’t mean to validate transgenderism, in case that was what you were thinking. In fairness, I think I was a bit over-hasty, and that you are right insofar as a person s saying “I believe in x” doesn’t in and of itself entail s’s belief in x. For such an inference to go through requires our trust in s’s sincerity as reporter of his own supposed belief in x.
Case 1. Our trust in s’s sincerity is misplaced, i.e. when s is a liar, then it is not true that s believes in x. Or in the present case, call the transgender-reporting individual s1, we do not believe s1 is a man who sincerely believes that he is a woman, i.e that this is a genuine case of transgenderism.
Case 2. Our trust in s2’s sincerity isn’t misplaced, i.e. when s2 sincerely believes that he is a woman, I would say that this is indeed a case of transgenderism – but also one of delusion.
Case 3. This case varies the hypothesis. Instead of saying “I believe that I am a woman”, s3 says “I want ‘I am a woman’ to be true.” On the one hand our trust in s3’s sincerity isn’t misplaced, because we have no reason to doubt his expression of his preferences, on the other hand he certainly isn’t deluded, because he is only stating a claim about what he would like to be viz. a woman, and not what he is viz. a man.
Call the Case 3 version “voluntary transgenderism” (vt) in contrast to the “belief transgenderism” (bt) of the first two Cases. While you’re right in that we have no basis for demarkating the liar non-transgenderist in C1 from the delusional transgenderist in C2 and the voluntary transgenderist in C3, I think nevertheless that it’s an indefensibly strong thesis to argue, as the implicit objection invites, that there are no or vanishingly few sincere reports of transgenderism.
In particular, I think that the C3 case is what presents the intellectual difficulty for the gender-critical among us. How do we accede to the sincerely-expressed wishes of a man to be treated like a woman, without violating the rights, dignity, safety, and sporting lives of woman and girls? The time was when I would have allowed myself to refer to a strapping thug in a frock, heels, lippy, and five o’clock shadow as “she”, but you won’t catch me doing that ever again after the way Posey Parker, Miriam Cates, Kathleen Stock, J.K.Rowling and countless others have been treated.
Secondly, while many reports of supposed transgenderism may “vanish into the ether”, it is by no means the case that all do. There are many instances of transgender individuals speaking to camera – and thus many observable individuals. Again, this falls foul of your demarkation objection, but with the same result – even if a proportion, perhaps even the majority, of the sample is dismissed as either liars or delusionals, nevertheless there will remain a rump of voluntary transgenderists who have to be engaged with or otherwise dealt with.
That is not an observable physical symptom because as soon as the comment passes into the ether it is no longer observable – it is subjective as stated in the article. This is why so many struggle when asked to confirm they believe a trans woman is a woman.
“diagnosis of transgenderism is purely subjective. The condition has no observable physical symptoms”
Simply not true. A man telling you he’s a woman, or a woman telling you she’s a man, manifest observable physical symptoms of transgenderism.