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Mermaids’ useful idiots Journalists, teachers and activists all defended Susie Green

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November 29, 2022   7 mins

It’s incredibly easy to criticise Susie Green, the influential and, as of Friday, ex-CEO of Mermaids. But I’d like to say this in her defence: she never lied about who she was.

From her early interviews in 2012, when her trans daughter, Jackie, then 19, became a Miss England finalist, Green, then an IT-manager, was utterly open about how she first knew her child was trans: “As a toddler, Jackie always headed for the dolls in toy shops.” And if a four-year-old looking at dolls weren’t evidence enough that this child should be committed to a lifetime of medicalisation, Green added, “[Jackie] loathed having her hair cut.” Green put Jack — as he was then known — on puberty-blockers and flew him to Thailand for a sex change operation when he was 16, making him the youngest person in the world to undergo that surgery.

She merrily recalls in a YouTube interview that because Jack’s penis hadn’t developed due to the blockers, “there wasn’t much for the surgeon to work with” when constructing their vagina. “Sorry, Jackie!” she laughs.

During her time at Mermaids, Green has been advising parents, schools, the police, the media and NHS trusts about how to deal with other children who dare to not be gender stereotypes. She was their first staff member — before Mermaids was run by volunteers — and under her leadership, she has transformed the organisation from a quiet, low-key charity to an energetically active lobbying group, and her theories about childhood and gender have been at least as influential as Judith Butler’s. Mermaids has been endorsed by the Be Kind brigade, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jameela Jamil and Emma Watson, accrued a slew of corporate sponsors and been awarded £500,000 by the National Lottery. Progressive newspapers advise readers to contact the service should they have any concerns about their child.

Since 2017, I regularly asked editors at the newspaper where I worked if I could write about Mermaids in general and Green specifically, because it was so obvious that something was very wrong here. The answer, always, was no, but the reasons given were fuzzy: it wouldn’t be right in that section, they couldn’t see the news peg, it felt too niche. A more likely reason was one articulated to me with some passion on social media any time I tweeted anything sceptical about Green or Mermaids: to question either was to wish trans children would die. Doubt the charity, hate the cause, in other words. Weirdly, this attitude seems to hold true only for charities connected to trans issues: no one, as far as I know, screamed that The Times hates starving people when they investigated Oxfam in 2018 about allegations that some of its workers paid for sex.

I do have some sympathy with those who were too scared to question Mermaids. Under Green’s leadership, the organisation has done its utmost to evade scrutiny, trotting out — even in parliamentary committees, even in the 2018 ITV drama Butterfly, starring Anna Friel, and for which Green was the series lead consultant — the claim that 48% of young trans people attempt suicide. A terrifying statistic for any parent of a gender dysphoric child, and almost as scary for any organisation that cares more about being kind than being accurate. Happily, the statistic is bunkum, as the researcher behind the study it’s based on has said, because the study involved 27 self-selecting trans volunteers, and therefore its findings should not be widened out to all gender dysphoric young people, as Mermaids had done.

You would think that discovering attempted suicide is not as common among young gender dysphoric people as previously believed would be greeted with triumphant cheers and celebrations by a charity that claims to support them, and the celebrities who frequently tweet their love for the group routinely described as “the most oppressed people in the world”. And yet, strangely, not so much. As a result, that statistic is still routinely banded around by activists. (Is telling oppressed people that they are likely to try to kill themselves, despite the facts suggesting otherwise, really Being Kind?) It’s the same story with puberty blockers: for years, Green and Mermaids insisted they were fully reversable. Green had given them to her child, as she repeated so often, and she wouldn’t deliberately harm her own child, right? Online obsessives — such as one full-time tweeter, part-time lawyer and occasional fox murderer — parroted these claims, and people went along with the theory that a drug originally licensed to treat prostate cancer would be fine for children. In fact, it is now becoming widely accepted that blockers affect bone development, and may prevent the young person from ever being able to orgasm.

Despite telling Jackie’s story over and over, and always including the detail about the girls’ toys, Green took pains to stress that being trans child went deeper than a desire for dolls. But how else would a four-year-old boy express a wish to be a girl other than through the medium of toys? What else would being a girl mean to them? In her Tedx talk, Green says that as soon as her baby boy “got mobile” — ie, learned to crawl — “he was gravitating to things that you would think are stereotypically female”. Like what, tampons? Was her one-year-old trying to book an appointment for a cervical smear test? Nope, “the Polly Pocket and My Little Pony”, she says, and then quickly adds “that was fine – but not for Dad”. Green’s then husband disapproved of his son playing with My Little Pony toys and therefore banned them from the house. (A macho father who abhors effeminacy in his son is a common feature in the life stories of trans women; Paris Lees’ semi-autobiographical novel, What It Feels Like for a Girl, is a recent example.)

Shortly after that, the child then known as Jack told his mother, “God made a mistake and I should have been a girl.” As Green recounts in her talk, “What I had come to the conclusion, up until she was about two, was that I had a very sensitive, quite effeminate little boy who was probably gay.” So when four-year-old Jack told her he should be a girl, Green felt “it explained so many things”. And to be fair, a trans four-year-old makes about as much sense as a gay two-year-old. No one has ever accused Green of failing to maintain fidelity to her extraordinary version of logic.

Jackie Green has occasionally spoken up in defence of her mother. In 2018, a journalist tweeted that Green had “castrated” her teenage son when she arranged for the sex change operation in Thailand. Jackie tweeted back that this was untrue: “I was meant to be female and thus had surgery to correct my small defect,” was how she put it. As to how she knew she was meant to be a girl, Jackie said, “For a long time I was told I had to play with action men and other ‘boy toys’, another concept I find rather silly, but I still wanted the Barbies and little mermaids.” And so her mother arranged for the “small defect” to be “corrected” so she could.

No one has said why Green is suddenly no longer the CEO of Mermaids. But the fact that the charity has said they are appointing an interim one for now suggests the decision was quite sudden. The timing was certainly peculiar, coming 10 days after Green gave a rare interview, refuting all recent criticisms of her organisation.

Slowly, it seems, the tide is turning against Mermaids. When it was announced this year that the NHS was going shut down Gids, its gender identity clinic for children, in the spring, attention quickly turned to Mermaids. Former clinicians at Gids have accused the charity of having a “harmful” effect on the clinic by promoting transition as a cure. Mermaids has denied this, but it didn’t help matters by putting itself in the spotlight when it launched an appeal against the Charity Commission’s decision to award charitable status to the LGB Alliance, now the only specifically gay charity in this country which does not include trans people. Witnesses for Mermaids have had to defend gender theories under questioning this autumn, which has led to extraordinary moments such as Mermaids’ chair of trustees, claiming, “I’m not sure that people come out of the womb with a sex.”

A Daily Telegraph investigation in September found that the charity was offering to send breast binders to children against their parents’ wishes, which prompted the Charity Commission to open a regulatory compliance case. Green later defended Mermaids in The Guardian by saying a binder is better than “a young person using duct tape on themselves”. In October, the Times revealed that one of the Mermaids trustees, Jacob Breslow, gave a 2011 presentation for B4U-ACT, an organisation that aims to promote better understanding of paedophiles, in which he criticised the negative ideas about “paedophilic desire”. “We did some general top-level Google and internet searches. We did a social media search [and it] didn’t come up,” Green told The Guardian. Then, 10 days later, she was ousted.

Maybe the Mermaids board belatedly realised that if they want their organisation to endure, they needed to get rid of the wacky front woman. Ultimately, I don’t care why she went, because so much damage has already been done. But what I do want to know is this: how did so many people take Green so seriously for so long? Why did so many people turn off their intelligence when faced with this former IT consultant from Leeds? And how could so many LGBT activists champion and defend a woman who saw effeminacy — and therefore homosexuality — in her two-year-old and feel she had to “correct” this “defect”?

Green kept telling the story of Jackie because, for a long time, it gave her moral authority. No doubt, parents have long been great advocates for the rights of their marginalised children. But an alternative way of looking at Green is she was at least as good an advocate for her own rights: the right to put her child on untested hormone pills, the right to take her child to Thailand for a sex change. There is a fine line between using your parenting experience to help others, and validating your parenting choices by encouraging others to do the same.

I’m not waiting for celebrities such as Emma Watson to own up to their foolishness, mainly because I don’t care what Emma Watson thinks about anything. But all the journalists, teachers, editors and activists who endorsed Green’s obviously ludicrous ideas and shouted down anyone who didn’t, they really need to take a long look at their judgement, their motives and themselves. Because Green never once hid who she was.


Hadley Freeman is a staff writer at The Sunday Times. Her latest book, Good Girls: A Story and Study of Anorexia, was published in 2023.

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Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago

“Because Green never once hid who she was.” – I had a friend recently go on tear about child abuse in the Catholic Church and how awful it was that our parents generation didn’t stop it. My response was that the abuse was 1) hidden and 2) denied. I then pointed out that our generation is not only tolerating child abuse that is publicly acknowledged and right out in the open – many – maybe most – of our generation are openly celebrating it. Medically transitioning children is simply evil. Everyone knows this – yet many champion it anyways.

Max Price
Max Price
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Yep, and as we all know a large portion of the kids who get caught up in this insanity are gay. It’s homophobic to its core. How progressives unquestioningly support it staggers me.

Daoud Fakhri
Daoud Fakhri
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Because being gay is now passé. Trans is where it’s at. Just think of the Alison Bailey case: just a few years ago she would have been unassailable, siting at the intersection of three ‘oppressed’ groups – woman, lesbian, and black. But those were all trumped by trans, hence the discrimination she faced at her place of work.

James Joyce
James Joyce
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

It also emboldened the privileged, expensively educated journalistic mediocrity that is Zoe Williams to righteously chastise an articulate and principled Nigerian female survivor of abuse for her concern about women’s safe spaces. “I’m not having that!” said the bold Ms Williams.

Tony Price
Tony Price
1 year ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Am I the only one to find this quote (not that easy) and realise that it is taken completely out of context. She is absolutely not chastising the Nigerian lady for concern, she is pointing out that her generalisation that ALL women have the concerns that she has is totally wrong, which it obviously is. Read for yourselves: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/nov/28/chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-bbc-reith-lecture-freedom-truth-trans-rights

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Next time the Nazis turn up they won’t be blokes in Hugo Boss designer uniforms…(to paraphrase Churchill or Orwell or whoever). Nowadays we know what they will look like; Ever so nice, furrowed brow narcissists with permanently slightly hurt expressions.

Tony Price
Tony Price
1 year ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Am I the only one to find this quote (not that easy) and realise that it is taken completely out of context. She is absolutely not chastising the Nigerian lady for concern, she is pointing out that her generalisation that ALL women have the concerns that she has is totally wrong, which it obviously is. Read for yourselves: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2022/nov/28/chimamanda-ngozi-adichie-bbc-reith-lecture-freedom-truth-trans-rights

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Next time the Nazis turn up they won’t be blokes in Hugo Boss designer uniforms…(to paraphrase Churchill or Orwell or whoever). Nowadays we know what they will look like; Ever so nice, furrowed brow narcissists with permanently slightly hurt expressions.

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

I could look forward to the passing of trans as the Current Big Thing, if I didn’t fear the coming of the Next Big Thing. What monster is now waiting in the wings for its introduction?

Daoud Fakhri
Daoud Fakhri
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

The destigmatising of ‘minor attracted people’ is one possible contender.

Andrew Stoll
Andrew Stoll
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

That was actually once supported by the German Greens Party but probably didn’t get them too many votes..
“Germany’s Greens, Europe’s most influential environmentalist party, have been obliged to open a detailed investigation into past policy and practice amid revelations that in the 1980s, its members actively supported paedophile groups which campaigned to legalise sex with children”
(The ‘Independend’ 18 May 2013)

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Stoll

Advocating for simple, plain old homosexuality was also fringe at one time.

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Still is in , probably, in most of the world.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Ted Ditchburn

funnily enough, its not… still illegal if you do your research?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Ted Ditchburn

funnily enough, its not… still illegal if you do your research?

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Your point?

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Still is in , probably, in most of the world.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Your point?

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Stoll

Advocating for simple, plain old homosexuality was also fringe at one time.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

It was supported by the Labour Party 4 decades ago

Nick Bernard
Nick Bernard
1 year ago

Hi Ethniciodo, please could you provide a link that supports your claim? Many thanks

Nick Bernard
Nick Bernard
1 year ago

Hi Ethniciodo, please could you provide a link that supports your claim? Many thanks

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

Heaven forbid, but I fear you are correct.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

I think that one has been and gone. The Paedophile Information exchange is now the object of ridicule and horror.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jerome

It appears to have been rebranded as Mermaids.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jerome

It appears to have been rebranded as Mermaids.

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

That’s out there amongst wokey marxist types who never forgot that to undermine the state you have to undermine the family.

Andrew Stoll
Andrew Stoll
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

That was actually once supported by the German Greens Party but probably didn’t get them too many votes..
“Germany’s Greens, Europe’s most influential environmentalist party, have been obliged to open a detailed investigation into past policy and practice amid revelations that in the 1980s, its members actively supported paedophile groups which campaigned to legalise sex with children”
(The ‘Independend’ 18 May 2013)

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

It was supported by the Labour Party 4 decades ago

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

Heaven forbid, but I fear you are correct.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

I think that one has been and gone. The Paedophile Information exchange is now the object of ridicule and horror.

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

That’s out there amongst wokey marxist types who never forgot that to undermine the state you have to undermine the family.

M mtski@hotmail.com
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

It’s useful to scrutinize the rave critical reviews of the ‘brilliant’ (WaPo) play “Downstate”, which pleads for sympathy for convicted sex criminals, including a child molester.
The Observer likens their cruel & unusual oppression – the regulation of where offenders can reside and the regular checking of their ankle monitors – to the lynching of innocent black men in US history.
There seems to be an attempt to normalize the most basic, fundamental societal taboos. Cultural Marxists understand this trend quite well…
It would seem unthinkable that anyone might try to soften our disgust at the idea of cannibalism, but…Welcome to 2022.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

…youth in asia, for those who don’t listen to the experts.

Graham Bennett
Graham Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

What’s coming next? This book out early next year might give you some clues: https://www.dukeupress.edu/circuits-of-the-sacred
Brace yourselves!

Jill Corel
Jill Corel
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Bennett

The cover of that book is enough to put you off. God help us.

Jill Corel
Jill Corel
1 year ago
Reply to  Graham Bennett

The cover of that book is enough to put you off. God help us.

Richard Parker
Richard Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

“And what rough beast, its hour come round at last…” Seems like we’re stuck on historical repeat again. Horrid thought though.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

Sex with children….that is the next boundary they want to cross.
You are seeing all the hints of it already. Academics publishing that pedophiles require “understanding”.
Ads for clothing and other items.
THAT is the next thing. Should scare the crap out of you.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

Pedophilia is next, it has already begun.
After that will be either bestiality or necrophilia, they are already practicing their lines.
Tho, snuff could make a big comeback, esp as euthanasia is being normalized.

Last edited 1 year ago by Martin Johnson
Daoud Fakhri
Daoud Fakhri
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

The destigmatising of ‘minor attracted people’ is one possible contender.

M mtski@hotmail.com
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

It’s useful to scrutinize the rave critical reviews of the ‘brilliant’ (WaPo) play “Downstate”, which pleads for sympathy for convicted sex criminals, including a child molester.
The Observer likens their cruel & unusual oppression – the regulation of where offenders can reside and the regular checking of their ankle monitors – to the lynching of innocent black men in US history.
There seems to be an attempt to normalize the most basic, fundamental societal taboos. Cultural Marxists understand this trend quite well…
It would seem unthinkable that anyone might try to soften our disgust at the idea of cannibalism, but…Welcome to 2022.

Bernard Hill
Bernard Hill
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

…youth in asia, for those who don’t listen to the experts.

Graham Bennett
Graham Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

What’s coming next? This book out early next year might give you some clues: https://www.dukeupress.edu/circuits-of-the-sacred
Brace yourselves!

Richard Parker
Richard Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

“And what rough beast, its hour come round at last…” Seems like we’re stuck on historical repeat again. Horrid thought though.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

Sex with children….that is the next boundary they want to cross.
You are seeing all the hints of it already. Academics publishing that pedophiles require “understanding”.
Ads for clothing and other items.
THAT is the next thing. Should scare the crap out of you.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

Pedophilia is next, it has already begun.
After that will be either bestiality or necrophilia, they are already practicing their lines.
Tho, snuff could make a big comeback, esp as euthanasia is being normalized.

Last edited 1 year ago by Martin Johnson
Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

The more this insanity evolves, the more I am convinced that we are victims of a cruel media loop strategy, which has become an industry in and of itself. Someone starts a completely insane idea/movement, organizes it and morphs a non-profit organization, employing many rubes, it is then catapulted into the mainstream by the willing media, who sees the potential click bait, fans the flames with vicious attacks on any dissenters, then it comes full circle with an entire cohort of willing participants decrying the insanity of the original movement. I’m hereby jumping off this modern day, dystopian, cyber merry-go-round.

Last edited 1 year ago by Warren Trees
Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

I am planning to become both, as to save tiresome expensive dinners and dates, I can stay at home and have sex with myself AND go outside for a cigarette afterwards and not have to moan at myself, or then get myself a taxi home.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
1 year ago

Won’t you miss the morning ‘walk of shame’?

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
1 year ago

Won’t you miss the morning ‘walk of shame’?

James Joyce
James Joyce
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

It also emboldened the privileged, expensively educated journalistic mediocrity that is Zoe Williams to righteously chastise an articulate and principled Nigerian female survivor of abuse for her concern about women’s safe spaces. “I’m not having that!” said the bold Ms Williams.

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

I could look forward to the passing of trans as the Current Big Thing, if I didn’t fear the coming of the Next Big Thing. What monster is now waiting in the wings for its introduction?

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

The more this insanity evolves, the more I am convinced that we are victims of a cruel media loop strategy, which has become an industry in and of itself. Someone starts a completely insane idea/movement, organizes it and morphs a non-profit organization, employing many rubes, it is then catapulted into the mainstream by the willing media, who sees the potential click bait, fans the flames with vicious attacks on any dissenters, then it comes full circle with an entire cohort of willing participants decrying the insanity of the original movement. I’m hereby jumping off this modern day, dystopian, cyber merry-go-round.

Last edited 1 year ago by Warren Trees
Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Daoud Fakhri

I am planning to become both, as to save tiresome expensive dinners and dates, I can stay at home and have sex with myself AND go outside for a cigarette afterwards and not have to moan at myself, or then get myself a taxi home.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Yes. If gender roles are purely socially constructed then there’s no link between them and physical sex. There can be no right or wrong body. If on the other hand playing with dolls makes a ‘girl’ and with cars a ‘boy’, then gender roles are immutable and from nature. Of course the truth is nuanced, but in the trans ‘debate’ today there is no nuance, so which is it? Relative or absolute? Or just each by turns as suits the ideological subversion of human relations and individual identity as we descend into nonsense?

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Both homosexuality and the wish to transition are quite serious psychological disorders and the fact that one of these disorders has been accepted by a large portion of the population as “normal” does not alter the fact.
The incessant warfare between the two is worrying, as neither seem to have much to gain from victory
Homosexuality which was illegal in my youth, has now been widely accepted, but people who practise it are afraid that the general hetero public lump it together with the even more questionable transitionism and begin to re-examine both.
Fear drives this battle, but we should be examining our values and their effect on our children.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
1 year ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Homosexuality was not illegal, sodomy was.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Phillips

I’m sure I remember reading of many homosexuals who were arrested and fined for soliciting.
Promiscuity appears to be an intrinsic part of the behaviour, which also seems to have links to addiction.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Mark Phillips

I’m sure I remember reading of many homosexuals who were arrested and fined for soliciting.
Promiscuity appears to be an intrinsic part of the behaviour, which also seems to have links to addiction.

Mark Phillips
Mark Phillips
1 year ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Homosexuality was not illegal, sodomy was.

Daoud Fakhri
Daoud Fakhri
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Because being gay is now passé. Trans is where it’s at. Just think of the Alison Bailey case: just a few years ago she would have been unassailable, siting at the intersection of three ‘oppressed’ groups – woman, lesbian, and black. But those were all trumped by trans, hence the discrimination she faced at her place of work.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Yes. If gender roles are purely socially constructed then there’s no link between them and physical sex. There can be no right or wrong body. If on the other hand playing with dolls makes a ‘girl’ and with cars a ‘boy’, then gender roles are immutable and from nature. Of course the truth is nuanced, but in the trans ‘debate’ today there is no nuance, so which is it? Relative or absolute? Or just each by turns as suits the ideological subversion of human relations and individual identity as we descend into nonsense?

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Max Price

Both homosexuality and the wish to transition are quite serious psychological disorders and the fact that one of these disorders has been accepted by a large portion of the population as “normal” does not alter the fact.
The incessant warfare between the two is worrying, as neither seem to have much to gain from victory
Homosexuality which was illegal in my youth, has now been widely accepted, but people who practise it are afraid that the general hetero public lump it together with the even more questionable transitionism and begin to re-examine both.
Fear drives this battle, but we should be examining our values and their effect on our children.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Why, do you think? How could it happen in the open, as you say? If it’s the MSM, then why? If it’s social media, then why? How could a generation fail to understand what’s wrong and right?
This is an afterthought; what does this generation want?

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

What does this generation want? In the immortal word of Samuel Gompers, nineteenth-century labor leader, “More.”

Jane Tomlinson
Jane Tomlinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

A generation didn’t fail in knowing right from wrong. They looked but they didn’t see. The way my family looked but didn’t see what my oldest brother was doing to me. Because abuse is that thing that always, always happens to others. We all need to slow down, look more closely, and not be afraid to ask the questions we don’t really want answers to.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Tomlinson

“A generation didn’t fail in knowing right from wrong. They looked but they didn’t see.”
That is not quite true in relation to P Johnson’s comment. What happened to you was confined to family and kept that way. How much closer do we need to look to witness what is being publicly displayed, and not only that but approved of and supported publicly? So a generation has actually given approval for these acts against children. Why?

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Tomlinson

“A generation didn’t fail in knowing right from wrong. They looked but they didn’t see.”
That is not quite true in relation to P Johnson’s comment. What happened to you was confined to family and kept that way. How much closer do we need to look to witness what is being publicly displayed, and not only that but approved of and supported publicly? So a generation has actually given approval for these acts against children. Why?

Bruce Luffman
Bruce Luffman
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Might I humbly suggest that we have lost the habit of Christian belief or am I being too naive?

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Bruce Luffman

I’m not sure about that. The people who support these extremes seem to think in a very moralistic way. It seems simple enough to them; this is good, that is wrong. Things are viewed as either black or white. That’s a very primitive and uneducated way of viewing the world, but also very similar to the superstitious way the church, in the past, has controlled its members, and those who were not. They’re like a mob, caught up in the excitement of chasing devils and heretics, conferring with the relics of saints and the bleeding virgin, receiving the answers they want.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Bruce Luffman

I’m not sure about that. The people who support these extremes seem to think in a very moralistic way. It seems simple enough to them; this is good, that is wrong. Things are viewed as either black or white. That’s a very primitive and uneducated way of viewing the world, but also very similar to the superstitious way the church, in the past, has controlled its members, and those who were not. They’re like a mob, caught up in the excitement of chasing devils and heretics, conferring with the relics of saints and the bleeding virgin, receiving the answers they want.

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

What does this generation want? In the immortal word of Samuel Gompers, nineteenth-century labor leader, “More.”

Jane Tomlinson
Jane Tomlinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

A generation didn’t fail in knowing right from wrong. They looked but they didn’t see. The way my family looked but didn’t see what my oldest brother was doing to me. Because abuse is that thing that always, always happens to others. We all need to slow down, look more closely, and not be afraid to ask the questions we don’t really want answers to.

Bruce Luffman
Bruce Luffman
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Might I humbly suggest that we have lost the habit of Christian belief or am I being too naive?

Steve Elliott
Steve Elliott
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Yes, Green had her son castrated and sterilized. I’d count that as abuse. At 16 did he really understand the consequences?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

Why has this Green person NOT been charged with inflicting Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH) may I ask?

Is not FGM illegal? Then why not MGM?

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

We could start a crowd funding page to fund a private prosecution

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Before we do that, please understand that my daughter accused me of the heinous crime of raising her as a Christian during her childhood. She “discovered” at college that she had been lied to all along and was seriously upset with me for years. It might not be long that I, too, will be someone worth prosecuting. And to think that I paid for 4 years of this “education”.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Before we do that, please understand that my daughter accused me of the heinous crime of raising her as a Christian during her childhood. She “discovered” at college that she had been lied to all along and was seriously upset with me for years. It might not be long that I, too, will be someone worth prosecuting. And to think that I paid for 4 years of this “education”.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

We could start a crowd funding page to fund a private prosecution

Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

More than that, did he really have the agency to accept or reject? It sounds like momma had him thoroughly programmed.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

I recall a news article a few years back about a young man who was raised as a girl by his mother who wanted a daughter. The truth of his sex wasn’t revealed to him and society until he was around 8-9 years of age. Mother was sectioned, young man put into care and then received years and years of counselling to help him come to terms with not being female and mother being nuts. I suspect there is going to many more instances like this to come.

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Great illustration.

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Great illustration.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  Thomas Wagner

I recall a news article a few years back about a young man who was raised as a girl by his mother who wanted a daughter. The truth of his sex wasn’t revealed to him and society until he was around 8-9 years of age. Mother was sectioned, young man put into care and then received years and years of counselling to help him come to terms with not being female and mother being nuts. I suspect there is going to many more instances like this to come.

Graham Bennett
Graham Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

We’re told by the woke Left that, yes, of course he knew what he was doing! But, then again, no, he possibly couldn’t – hence their defence of Shamima Begum. So, when it suits their politics, the woke Left ‘inform’ us that minors know exactly what they’re doing; when it doesn’t, they obviously don’t. Discombobulating Marxist theory rides again! Go figure, as our American friends would say.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

Why has this Green person NOT been charged with inflicting Grievous Bodily Harm (GBH) may I ask?

Is not FGM illegal? Then why not MGM?

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Thomas Wagner
Thomas Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

More than that, did he really have the agency to accept or reject? It sounds like momma had him thoroughly programmed.

Graham Bennett
Graham Bennett
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

We’re told by the woke Left that, yes, of course he knew what he was doing! But, then again, no, he possibly couldn’t – hence their defence of Shamima Begum. So, when it suits their politics, the woke Left ‘inform’ us that minors know exactly what they’re doing; when it doesn’t, they obviously don’t. Discombobulating Marxist theory rides again! Go figure, as our American friends would say.

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Although separate cases the Savile story also involved hidden abuse, denial, and the reluctance of those in authority to challenge a celebrity narrative.
There’s a theme here – how many people strive to build fame and celebrity to hide their failings from others (including themselves).

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

The virtue hides the sin… as they say

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  AC Harper

The virtue hides the sin… as they say

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

The abuse in the Catholic Church was hidden in plain sight. Same as Jimmy Savile. And now, the same as Mermaids and this whole child-mutilation scandal.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago

Not everyone in the Catholic Church is a child abuser, however everyone who worked for Mermaids is involved in enabling child abuse because that is the only point of Mermaids.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Thanks for making this necessary distinction.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Thanks for making this necessary distinction.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

It was furtive and there was a disconnect between what they preached and what they practised. The trans ideologues are open about what they do.

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Yes, but everyone knew… but they were afraid to say anything. Same with “Mermaids” and the like.. hiding in plain sight, but people afraid to say anything in case they got cancelled / fired. A chilling effect. Case in point is the author of this piece, who was hounded out of “The Guardian”.

Really, there is an inner logic to this kind of scandal. In the beginning phase, the institution / individual is strong, it’s socially advantageous to turn a blind eye. Cracks in the alibi start to appear, but there are pile-ons, lest the society’s self-belief is harmed. Scapegoats are found. But still the allegations continue. In “alternative” media first. Eventually, a prime-time documentary. Then plink, plink, plink, and the avalanche happens. Court cases. Inquiries. A state apology. The end-point of it all is that it becomes socially advantageous to castigate the institution / individual that did the abuse.

With the Catholic church we have come to the end of the process. With the mutilation of children caught up in the gender cult, it looks like we are about half-way through.

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Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Yes, but everyone knew… but they were afraid to say anything. Same with “Mermaids” and the like.. hiding in plain sight, but people afraid to say anything in case they got cancelled / fired. A chilling effect. Case in point is the author of this piece, who was hounded out of “The Guardian”.

Really, there is an inner logic to this kind of scandal. In the beginning phase, the institution / individual is strong, it’s socially advantageous to turn a blind eye. Cracks in the alibi start to appear, but there are pile-ons, lest the society’s self-belief is harmed. Scapegoats are found. But still the allegations continue. In “alternative” media first. Eventually, a prime-time documentary. Then plink, plink, plink, and the avalanche happens. Court cases. Inquiries. A state apology. The end-point of it all is that it becomes socially advantageous to castigate the institution / individual that did the abuse.

With the Catholic church we have come to the end of the process. With the mutilation of children caught up in the gender cult, it looks like we are about half-way through.

Last edited 1 year ago by Lennon Ó Náraigh
D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago

Rule by homosexuals will be as successful for us, as it has been for the Catholic Church

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago

Not everyone in the Catholic Church is a child abuser, however everyone who worked for Mermaids is involved in enabling child abuse because that is the only point of Mermaids.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

It was furtive and there was a disconnect between what they preached and what they practised. The trans ideologues are open about what they do.

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago

Rule by homosexuals will be as successful for us, as it has been for the Catholic Church

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Sorry, I’m piggy backing on another comment again, but I have a question for others on this site – does anyone else find that they can reply to someone’s comment, but cannot add comments? This has been happening frequently to me recently, and to say that it is annoying is an understatement.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago

Yes, and I see the problem on some articles and not others – I think there’s a bug in the web page code 🙂
Be good to have it fixed

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Yes, all the time!

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago

Yes! Same for me. I’ve been in contact with the Unherd Help section and they claim to be working on it but offer no explanation of why it’s happening.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Yes. It very unfair to the commenter on whose back we have to piggy, but there is no other way in. We pay to comment, so UnHerd owes it to subscribers to fix this immediately.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago

I agree Allison. At least half the attraction of UnHerd is the comments section. If I can’t respond to an article or someone else’s comment because of a technical bug, I feel very short changed.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

The commenters are all very intelligent on this site. Even when I don’t agree with them, I want and appreciate their opinion. No trolls, no bomb throwers, no personal invective – just well-considered argument. Well-worth the subscription price, so get it together, UnHerd!

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

The commenters are all very intelligent on this site. Even when I don’t agree with them, I want and appreciate their opinion. No trolls, no bomb throwers, no personal invective – just well-considered argument. Well-worth the subscription price, so get it together, UnHerd!

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago

I agree Allison. At least half the attraction of UnHerd is the comments section. If I can’t respond to an article or someone else’s comment because of a technical bug, I feel very short changed.

Roger Inkpen
Roger Inkpen
1 year ago

This happened to me a few months ago. Contact [email protected]

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Yes – happens all the time

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago

Yes, same problem, I contacted UnHerd and was advised to refresh the page, which works.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

It does not work for me, though

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Oh, sorry to hear that. It is very trying.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Oh, sorry to hear that. It is very trying.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

It does not work for me, though

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
1 year ago

Yes, and I see the problem on some articles and not others – I think there’s a bug in the web page code 🙂
Be good to have it fixed

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Yes, all the time!

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago

Yes! Same for me. I’ve been in contact with the Unherd Help section and they claim to be working on it but offer no explanation of why it’s happening.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Yes. It very unfair to the commenter on whose back we have to piggy, but there is no other way in. We pay to comment, so UnHerd owes it to subscribers to fix this immediately.

Roger Inkpen
Roger Inkpen
1 year ago

This happened to me a few months ago. Contact [email protected]

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Yes – happens all the time

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago

Yes, same problem, I contacted UnHerd and was advised to refresh the page, which works.

James Joyce
James Joyce
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

There’s a clear tell re Freeman’s suspicion that Green’s interest is in her own rights to subject her child to hormones and surgery: her aside about his p***s – “Sorry, Jackie!”.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Poor Jack! Given that he was doomed to a micro p****s by his mother, he was only left with the choice of seeing though the transformation instigated by his selfish mother. No wonder there are concerns of suicidal tendencies amongst the trans community. Surely it’s only going to grow as young people come to terms with what is being done to them and that so many in society are celebrating it!

Vincent Egan
Vincent Egan
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Most chaps have growers or show-ers.

Last edited 1 year ago by Vincent Egan
Vincent Egan
Vincent Egan
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Most chaps have growers or show-ers.

Last edited 1 year ago by Vincent Egan
Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  James Joyce

Poor Jack! Given that he was doomed to a micro p****s by his mother, he was only left with the choice of seeing though the transformation instigated by his selfish mother. No wonder there are concerns of suicidal tendencies amongst the trans community. Surely it’s only going to grow as young people come to terms with what is being done to them and that so many in society are celebrating it!

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

“. . . constructing their vagina”. This author buys into the absurd misuse of the correct, accurate pronoun “his”. Jack, despite mother-approved medical mutilation, was a boy. The singular surgeon was also he or she. If it’s incredibly easy to criticize Susie Green, it’s necessary to dismiss writers who mangle language in the same way.

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

The author is part of the media loop that is being foisted upon us.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

UnHerd should change their style guide to always refer to sex-change cases by their original pronouns.

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt M
Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

‘Its style…’? Unherd is singular.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

A couple of years ago I complained to Unherd about a couple of instances of the woke racist capitalisation of “black”. To their credit, Unherd explicitly undertook to desist from this practice, and have kept their word.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

‘Its style…’? Unherd is singular.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt M

A couple of years ago I complained to Unherd about a couple of instances of the woke racist capitalisation of “black”. To their credit, Unherd explicitly undertook to desist from this practice, and have kept their word.

Matt M
Matt M
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

UnHerd should change their style guide to always refer to sex-change cases by their original pronouns.

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt M
Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

“Jack, despite mother-approved medical mutilation, was a boy.”
He still is.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

The author is part of the media loop that is being foisted upon us.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

“Jack, despite mother-approved medical mutilation, was a boy.”
He still is.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

What is the equivalent term to “misogyny” that would capture the deep hatred of everything male and masculine that seems to be present in some of these my-little-boy-wants-to-be-castrated mothers?

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Misandry?

Larry Jay
Larry Jay
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The word you are thinking of is misandry.
As a general comment about Hadley Freeman’s article, the newspaper that was censoring her is The Guardian. All this has happened under Katharine Viner’s editorship. So much for “Comment is free, but facts are sacred” (C. P. Scott).

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

It always seems to be the mothers pushing the trans madness, fathers don’t seem to be as enthusiastic

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

So, of course, Smaltime J describes attempts to push back against the madness as the definition of the patriarchy. It’s a woman’s right to persuade her son to castrate himself.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Hmmm. Perhaps the entire written history of mankind had something after all?

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Sounds exactly like Nazi anti-Semitism, transferred to gender.

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Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Sounds exactly like Nazi anti-Semitism, transferred to gender.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Very interesting point.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

So, of course, Smaltime J describes attempts to push back against the madness as the definition of the patriarchy. It’s a woman’s right to persuade her son to castrate himself.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Hmmm. Perhaps the entire written history of mankind had something after all?

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

Very interesting point.

T. Lister
T. Lister
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The term in this case is homophobia. A young boy who was not ‘male’ or ‘masculine’ enough, one who didn’t fit society’s ridiculous male stereotype. Someone recently asked me when did all of this homophobia come back again? My response was that it never left, it has been here all along.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  T. Lister

Quite right. Humankind has been aware of this defect for eons. It’s only been about the last 30 years that the concept of “homosexual rights” has been promulgated.

Guglielmo Marinaro
Guglielmo Marinaro
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Strictly speaking, there are no such things as homosexual rights – or as heterosexual rights either, for that matter. The phrase “homosexual rights” or “gay rights” is simply a piece of verbal shorthand, used to indicate that ordinary human rights, which are a matter of natural justice, apply to homosexuals just as they do to everyone else, and are not a privilege reserved to the heterosexual majority.

Guglielmo Marinaro
Guglielmo Marinaro
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

Strictly speaking, there are no such things as homosexual rights – or as heterosexual rights either, for that matter. The phrase “homosexual rights” or “gay rights” is simply a piece of verbal shorthand, used to indicate that ordinary human rights, which are a matter of natural justice, apply to homosexuals just as they do to everyone else, and are not a privilege reserved to the heterosexual majority.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  T. Lister

homophobia is a non word that means fear of single

Guglielmo Marinaro
Guglielmo Marinaro
1 year ago

The word “homophobia” is philologically unsound – and its root meaning is not “fear of single” but “fear of the same” – but the phenomenon which it was coined to denote is only too real, although it is thankfully becoming ever less common.

Guglielmo Marinaro
Guglielmo Marinaro
1 year ago

The word “homophobia” is philologically unsound – and its root meaning is not “fear of single” but “fear of the same” – but the phenomenon which it was coined to denote is only too real, although it is thankfully becoming ever less common.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  T. Lister

Quite right. Humankind has been aware of this defect for eons. It’s only been about the last 30 years that the concept of “homosexual rights” has been promulgated.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  T. Lister

homophobia is a non word that means fear of single

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

And given that culturally men are being taught to despise themselves, is this having an impact?

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

Misandry?

Larry Jay
Larry Jay
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The word you are thinking of is misandry.
As a general comment about Hadley Freeman’s article, the newspaper that was censoring her is The Guardian. All this has happened under Katharine Viner’s editorship. So much for “Comment is free, but facts are sacred” (C. P. Scott).

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

It always seems to be the mothers pushing the trans madness, fathers don’t seem to be as enthusiastic

T. Lister
T. Lister
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The term in this case is homophobia. A young boy who was not ‘male’ or ‘masculine’ enough, one who didn’t fit society’s ridiculous male stereotype. Someone recently asked me when did all of this homophobia come back again? My response was that it never left, it has been here all along.

Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

And given that culturally men are being taught to despise themselves, is this having an impact?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Hear hear

jonathan carter-meggs
jonathan carter-meggs
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Anyone advocating interfering in the sexual development of a child is by definition a pervert.

Gareth Rees
Gareth Rees
1 year ago

Not necessarily. Early onset (formerly precocious) puberty has been recognised for centuries and impairs social and pyschological development. Today, treatment with anastrazole is common, particularly while the underlying aetiology is established.

T. Lister
T. Lister
1 year ago
Reply to  Gareth Rees

But w/ the medical intervention of puberty blockers used in gender clinics we are talking about developmentally normal kids, puberty blockers have never been approved for that use.

T. Lister
T. Lister
1 year ago
Reply to  Gareth Rees

But w/ the medical intervention of puberty blockers used in gender clinics we are talking about developmentally normal kids, puberty blockers have never been approved for that use.

Gareth Rees
Gareth Rees
1 year ago

Not necessarily. Early onset (formerly precocious) puberty has been recognised for centuries and impairs social and pyschological development. Today, treatment with anastrazole is common, particularly while the underlying aetiology is established.

Marz Barr
Marz Barr
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

But we know that with the Catholic Church, investigations were made, priests were publicly named and shamed, those who were alive went to prison. What I really cannot believe is that an IT Consultant from Leeds is going to ‘resign’ from a charity that has catastrophically effected so many children and get away with it? And the same applies to a paedo sympathiser? Breslow will just continue in this job at LSE after his sabbatical without any repercussions! And I can guarantee, after the amount of money she made and the messiah complex she has, she will set up another Charity and continue her work in another form. And I have to throw in Vicky Ford the previous then Families and Children’s Minister – where was she when GIDS were operating? She is back in a high profile Ministerial job!

Michael Layman
Michael Layman
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

It’s evil, abusive and should be illegal. Today a parent can easily be supportive of a child who questions their sex until such time they are consenting adults.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Layman

then why does no one ever comment on the under 12 boys abuse, legal in so many Islamic countries? fear of ” racism”?!!!

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Layman

then why does no one ever comment on the under 12 boys abuse, legal in so many Islamic countries? fear of ” racism”?!!!

Max Price
Max Price
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Yep, and as we all know a large portion of the kids who get caught up in this insanity are gay. It’s homophobic to its core. How progressives unquestioningly support it staggers me.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Why, do you think? How could it happen in the open, as you say? If it’s the MSM, then why? If it’s social media, then why? How could a generation fail to understand what’s wrong and right?
This is an afterthought; what does this generation want?

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Steve Elliott
Steve Elliott
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Yes, Green had her son castrated and sterilized. I’d count that as abuse. At 16 did he really understand the consequences?

AC Harper
AC Harper
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Although separate cases the Savile story also involved hidden abuse, denial, and the reluctance of those in authority to challenge a celebrity narrative.
There’s a theme here – how many people strive to build fame and celebrity to hide their failings from others (including themselves).

Lennon Ó Náraigh
Lennon Ó Náraigh
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

The abuse in the Catholic Church was hidden in plain sight. Same as Jimmy Savile. And now, the same as Mermaids and this whole child-mutilation scandal.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Sorry, I’m piggy backing on another comment again, but I have a question for others on this site – does anyone else find that they can reply to someone’s comment, but cannot add comments? This has been happening frequently to me recently, and to say that it is annoying is an understatement.

James Joyce
James Joyce
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

There’s a clear tell re Freeman’s suspicion that Green’s interest is in her own rights to subject her child to hormones and surgery: her aside about his p***s – “Sorry, Jackie!”.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

“. . . constructing their vagina”. This author buys into the absurd misuse of the correct, accurate pronoun “his”. Jack, despite mother-approved medical mutilation, was a boy. The singular surgeon was also he or she. If it’s incredibly easy to criticize Susie Green, it’s necessary to dismiss writers who mangle language in the same way.

Last edited 1 year ago by Allison Barrows
Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

What is the equivalent term to “misogyny” that would capture the deep hatred of everything male and masculine that seems to be present in some of these my-little-boy-wants-to-be-castrated mothers?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Hear hear

jonathan carter-meggs
jonathan carter-meggs
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

Anyone advocating interfering in the sexual development of a child is by definition a pervert.

Marz Barr
Marz Barr
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

But we know that with the Catholic Church, investigations were made, priests were publicly named and shamed, those who were alive went to prison. What I really cannot believe is that an IT Consultant from Leeds is going to ‘resign’ from a charity that has catastrophically effected so many children and get away with it? And the same applies to a paedo sympathiser? Breslow will just continue in this job at LSE after his sabbatical without any repercussions! And I can guarantee, after the amount of money she made and the messiah complex she has, she will set up another Charity and continue her work in another form. And I have to throw in Vicky Ford the previous then Families and Children’s Minister – where was she when GIDS were operating? She is back in a high profile Ministerial job!

Michael Layman
Michael Layman
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter Johnson

It’s evil, abusive and should be illegal. Today a parent can easily be supportive of a child who questions their sex until such time they are consenting adults.

Peter Johnson
Peter Johnson
1 year ago

“Because Green never once hid who she was.” – I had a friend recently go on tear about child abuse in the Catholic Church and how awful it was that our parents generation didn’t stop it. My response was that the abuse was 1) hidden and 2) denied. I then pointed out that our generation is not only tolerating child abuse that is publicly acknowledged and right out in the open – many – maybe most – of our generation are openly celebrating it. Medically transitioning children is simply evil. Everyone knows this – yet many champion it anyways.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

It sounds like this woman had to believe that what she did for her son was the absolute correct thing to do. Instead of confronting the horror of her actions she tried to get others on board in order to validate herself.
Every adult who pushed this insanity on to children should be registered as a sex offender and kept away from them forever,

Bronwen Saunders
Bronwen Saunders
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Yes, that was how I interpreted it too. A case of protesting too much. I also thought that one day Jackie might turn on her and that when that happened, her life’s work would turn to dust. Perhaps that is what’s going on – hence the suddenness and refusal to provide any information.

Guy Aston
Guy Aston
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

At, someone has probably come close to the truth. This woman needed help but never got it, and just look at the consequences. Well said, Julian.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I find that to be the case with Covid true believers, as well. It is now proved that everything we were told about C19 was a deliberate lie, yet those who got the shots and wore the masks religiously will never admit it.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

In these egotistical times it is very nearly impossible to “sorry, I was wrong “.
Something to do with the fact that ‘we’ are so litigious these days?

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

Did you ever think about anti-COVID true believers? They, too, refuse to change their beliefs, no matter what argumetns they are faced with.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

So . . . the people who were right all along should change their beliefs? Oh gee, you’re right: I never got Covid so I should run out and get the shot that gives it to me? Weird take, RF.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

I, too, believe I was right all along. I guess the difference is tha I am open to the possibility that I might be proved wrong at some point. Can you say the same?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

With all due respect, Rasmus, you’ve been proven wrong time and time again about COVID. It’s now coming out that lockdowns were completely disastrous for the global economy and the majority of people now dying of COVID are the vaccinated. Countries and states that didn’t have strict lockdowns are now faring betters than those that did.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I believe in the existence of Wuhan Flu, mainly because I didn’t enjoy the feeling of cannabis hangover which it gave me when I had it in February. On the other hand, I completely agree with you about lockdown. If the state ever tries this on again, we will have to smack them down hard.

Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

And the hospitals will once again have to deal with the dead bodies.they are not fictitious like some comments on here.

Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

And the hospitals will once again have to deal with the dead bodies.they are not fictitious like some comments on here.

michael harris
michael harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Julian, if almost everybody is vaccinated (and they are) then the majority of the (small number) of people now dying of covid will be vaccinated. The arguments against lockdowns and masking are very well founded but this particular line of attack against the vaccines is illogical.

Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Take a look at third world countries where poor people were dropping like flies because they COULD’NT get enough vaccines. How did they catch it ? Nothing has been proved about covid, only that it came from china, the only thing that ever lasted more than a month.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I believe in the existence of Wuhan Flu, mainly because I didn’t enjoy the feeling of cannabis hangover which it gave me when I had it in February. On the other hand, I completely agree with you about lockdown. If the state ever tries this on again, we will have to smack them down hard.

michael harris
michael harris
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Julian, if almost everybody is vaccinated (and they are) then the majority of the (small number) of people now dying of covid will be vaccinated. The arguments against lockdowns and masking are very well founded but this particular line of attack against the vaccines is illogical.

Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Take a look at third world countries where poor people were dropping like flies because they COULD’NT get enough vaccines. How did they catch it ? Nothing has been proved about covid, only that it came from china, the only thing that ever lasted more than a month.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

With all due respect, Rasmus, you’ve been proven wrong time and time again about COVID. It’s now coming out that lockdowns were completely disastrous for the global economy and the majority of people now dying of COVID are the vaccinated. Countries and states that didn’t have strict lockdowns are now faring betters than those that did.

Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago

Where is the proof the disbelievers were “right all along”. I assume you mean yourself and that you expect others to fall for your bul**hit.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

I, too, believe I was right all along. I guess the difference is tha I am open to the possibility that I might be proved wrong at some point. Can you say the same?

Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago

Where is the proof the disbelievers were “right all along”. I assume you mean yourself and that you expect others to fall for your bul**hit.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

So . . . the people who were right all along should change their beliefs? Oh gee, you’re right: I never got Covid so I should run out and get the shot that gives it to me? Weird take, RF.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

“Everything”, “proved”, “deliberate lie”,”religiously”, “believers” – pretty hysterical statements.
My wife has a transplant and absolutely no immunity from taking the vaccines. We’ve seen the data for reduced immunity patients that shows if she catches it they probably won’t be able to save her, but they ‘hope’ antivirals might do so. There are 500,000 people in the U.K. in the same boat as her – permanently exposed. And now they are withdrawing the antiviral treatment for immune suppressed people in January because they cost too much, so then there will be no treatment options for this group. They’re the ones who are still copping it in the covid statistics.
It’s always interesting to see the ignorance of fanatics like you who seem to think these people are of no consequence.

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Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago

You obviously never worked in critical care where patients were dying at an unheard level due to a virus some disbelievers described as a cold. They were dying at such a rate the mortuaries had the bodies piled up and there was bargaining with other hospitals involved in trying to ease the backlog. Until you have experienced it your delusions cannot be taken seriously.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

In these egotistical times it is very nearly impossible to “sorry, I was wrong “.
Something to do with the fact that ‘we’ are so litigious these days?

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

Did you ever think about anti-COVID true believers? They, too, refuse to change their beliefs, no matter what argumetns they are faced with.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

“Everything”, “proved”, “deliberate lie”,”religiously”, “believers” – pretty hysterical statements.
My wife has a transplant and absolutely no immunity from taking the vaccines. We’ve seen the data for reduced immunity patients that shows if she catches it they probably won’t be able to save her, but they ‘hope’ antivirals might do so. There are 500,000 people in the U.K. in the same boat as her – permanently exposed. And now they are withdrawing the antiviral treatment for immune suppressed people in January because they cost too much, so then there will be no treatment options for this group. They’re the ones who are still copping it in the covid statistics.
It’s always interesting to see the ignorance of fanatics like you who seem to think these people are of no consequence.

Last edited 1 year ago by Ian Stewart
Joyce Brette
Joyce Brette
1 year ago

You obviously never worked in critical care where patients were dying at an unheard level due to a virus some disbelievers described as a cold. They were dying at such a rate the mortuaries had the bodies piled up and there was bargaining with other hospitals involved in trying to ease the backlog. Until you have experienced it your delusions cannot be taken seriously.

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

it looks like munchausen by proxy to me

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

*Transhausen by proxy.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  D Walsh

*Transhausen by proxy.

Bronwen Saunders
Bronwen Saunders
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Yes, that was how I interpreted it too. A case of protesting too much. I also thought that one day Jackie might turn on her and that when that happened, her life’s work would turn to dust. Perhaps that is what’s going on – hence the suddenness and refusal to provide any information.

Guy Aston
Guy Aston
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

At, someone has probably come close to the truth. This woman needed help but never got it, and just look at the consequences. Well said, Julian.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I find that to be the case with Covid true believers, as well. It is now proved that everything we were told about C19 was a deliberate lie, yet those who got the shots and wore the masks religiously will never admit it.

D Walsh
D Walsh
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

it looks like munchausen by proxy to me

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

It sounds like this woman had to believe that what she did for her son was the absolute correct thing to do. Instead of confronting the horror of her actions she tried to get others on board in order to validate herself.
Every adult who pushed this insanity on to children should be registered as a sex offender and kept away from them forever,

K Willis
K Willis
1 year ago

This is the part that gets me: “And how could so many LGBT activists champion and defend a woman who saw effeminacy — and therefore homosexuality — in her two-year-old and feel she had to “correct” this “defect”?

The challenge often starts with people who can’t accept a less stereotyped view of gender: that girls aren’t all pink doll lovers and boys aren’t all macho angry GI Joe types. Loads of girls want to be boys when faced with parents who wish they were ‘more girly’, and loads of boys want to be girls when their dads can’t handle them ‘acting like girls’. Just stop it and let kids like what they like and be who they are.

Last edited 1 year ago by K Willis
Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago
Reply to  K Willis

Many LGBs reject the association with Ts, and are among the most active campaigners against trans ideology.
Among other things, lesbians don’t like being told (by Stonewall) that they are ‘transphobes’ if they refuse to have intimate relationships with transwomen, i.e. men.
Mermaids’ homophobia is evident in their attempt to have charity status withdrawn from the LGB Alliance, which was formed when Stonewall was captured by extreme trans ideology.

Charles J Lewis
Charles J Lewis
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Yes, and it will soon appear what a hugely inadvisable course Mermaids took, exposing their charlatanry and the viciousness of their motivation.

T. Lister
T. Lister
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

It is as you say but msm has suppressed stories about the LGB groups and activists who speak out about the misogyny and homophobia of ‘transgenderism’ and how dangerous it is to women, and LGBs but esp. to the children, teens, and young adults.
But once the T was force-teamed onto the LGB for greater acceptance of the T every former LGB advocacy org in the U.S and the U.K. was parasitized by the trans movement. Money talks and the trans movement has wealthy men (male, heterosexual, cross-dresser sexual fetishists, autogynephiles/transvestic fetishists) funding it, promoting it, and the ones primarily benefiting by it (see the 11thhourblog.com). So integrity was thrown under the bus along w/ women’s and LGB’s sex-based rights and the futures of ‘transitioned’ young people.
Janice Raymond, a lesbian feminist professor at the U of Mass, wrote the book, The Transsexual Empire, in 1979 warning of the dangers of trans. And the lesbians and the feminists who’ve been calling it out the danger for decades have been threatened, de-platformed, and vilified for doing so.
But when the collective madness of transgenderism is checked we will remember the Judas goats, all the orgs., media, and individuals, including pharma and medical professionals, who sold out to the gender Borg and enabled the ‘sexual lobotomy’ of so many young people.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

do they have dry stonewall in The Cotswolds?

Charles J Lewis
Charles J Lewis
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

Yes, and it will soon appear what a hugely inadvisable course Mermaids took, exposing their charlatanry and the viciousness of their motivation.

T. Lister
T. Lister
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

It is as you say but msm has suppressed stories about the LGB groups and activists who speak out about the misogyny and homophobia of ‘transgenderism’ and how dangerous it is to women, and LGBs but esp. to the children, teens, and young adults.
But once the T was force-teamed onto the LGB for greater acceptance of the T every former LGB advocacy org in the U.S and the U.K. was parasitized by the trans movement. Money talks and the trans movement has wealthy men (male, heterosexual, cross-dresser sexual fetishists, autogynephiles/transvestic fetishists) funding it, promoting it, and the ones primarily benefiting by it (see the 11thhourblog.com). So integrity was thrown under the bus along w/ women’s and LGB’s sex-based rights and the futures of ‘transitioned’ young people.
Janice Raymond, a lesbian feminist professor at the U of Mass, wrote the book, The Transsexual Empire, in 1979 warning of the dangers of trans. And the lesbians and the feminists who’ve been calling it out the danger for decades have been threatened, de-platformed, and vilified for doing so.
But when the collective madness of transgenderism is checked we will remember the Judas goats, all the orgs., media, and individuals, including pharma and medical professionals, who sold out to the gender Borg and enabled the ‘sexual lobotomy’ of so many young people.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Nancy G

do they have dry stonewall in The Cotswolds?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  K Willis

Well said

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 year ago
Reply to  K Willis

Many LGBs reject the association with Ts, and are among the most active campaigners against trans ideology.
Among other things, lesbians don’t like being told (by Stonewall) that they are ‘transphobes’ if they refuse to have intimate relationships with transwomen, i.e. men.
Mermaids’ homophobia is evident in their attempt to have charity status withdrawn from the LGB Alliance, which was formed when Stonewall was captured by extreme trans ideology.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago
Reply to  K Willis

Well said

K Willis
K Willis
1 year ago

This is the part that gets me: “And how could so many LGBT activists champion and defend a woman who saw effeminacy — and therefore homosexuality — in her two-year-old and feel she had to “correct” this “defect”?

The challenge often starts with people who can’t accept a less stereotyped view of gender: that girls aren’t all pink doll lovers and boys aren’t all macho angry GI Joe types. Loads of girls want to be boys when faced with parents who wish they were ‘more girly’, and loads of boys want to be girls when their dads can’t handle them ‘acting like girls’. Just stop it and let kids like what they like and be who they are.

Last edited 1 year ago by K Willis
Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago

Not to be pernickety, but you say towards the end
“… a sex change”
This is Mermaids talk. You may change your appearance or get a piece of paper that says that unicorns exists, but you canNOT change sex. All you can have is prosthetic surgery and be on life long medications.

Last edited 1 year ago by Arkadian X
Robert Kaye
Robert Kaye
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

“Sex change” really isn’t Mermaids-talk. They go for “gender affirmative” surgery.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Kaye

The left always needs to talk in euphemisms if the public tends to deplore the topic or the process being described. The most recent poster child is the substitution of “women’s healthcare” for the word, abortion. Other favorites are:
“Gay” for homosexual, “investment” for taxes or spending, “gender-affirming” for sex change, etc. The list goes on and on.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Kaye

The left always needs to talk in euphemisms if the public tends to deplore the topic or the process being described. The most recent poster child is the substitution of “women’s healthcare” for the word, abortion. Other favorites are:
“Gay” for homosexual, “investment” for taxes or spending, “gender-affirming” for sex change, etc. The list goes on and on.

Robert Kaye
Robert Kaye
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

“Sex change” really isn’t Mermaids-talk. They go for “gender affirmative” surgery.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago

Not to be pernickety, but you say towards the end
“… a sex change”
This is Mermaids talk. You may change your appearance or get a piece of paper that says that unicorns exists, but you canNOT change sex. All you can have is prosthetic surgery and be on life long medications.

Last edited 1 year ago by Arkadian X
Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

“Green had given them to her child, as she repeated so often, and she wouldn’t deliberately harm her own child, right?”
She both would and did. She had him castrated.

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Quite so. The first thing that came to mind on reading this was the contrast with anti-vaxxers, “mask deniers” and what have you. We’re told that those people are dangerously deluded idiots but that someone like Susie Green deserves sainthood for rescuing her child from the tyranny of biology. Go figure.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

As someone with a visceral hatred of masks, I need no convincing of the rightness of your comment.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

As someone with a visceral hatred of masks, I need no convincing of the rightness of your comment.

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Quite so. The first thing that came to mind on reading this was the contrast with anti-vaxxers, “mask deniers” and what have you. We’re told that those people are dangerously deluded idiots but that someone like Susie Green deserves sainthood for rescuing her child from the tyranny of biology. Go figure.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

“Green had given them to her child, as she repeated so often, and she wouldn’t deliberately harm her own child, right?”
She both would and did. She had him castrated.

Sharon Overy
Sharon Overy
1 year ago

Yes, she’s been trying all of this time to justify and validate her and her ex-husband’s homophobia, by encouraging the same in others.

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
1 year ago
Reply to  Sharon Overy

That’s entirely possible, but I’d point the finger of blame at narcissism rather than homophobia. Her child was SO unique and special that the normal societal rules did not apply. And as other comments have affirmed, once you allow yourself to go down that route, admitting that you may have used bad judgement, or even actively harmed your own child, would require a massive threat to your values, one that Green apparently refuses to face.

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
1 year ago
Reply to  Sharon Overy

That’s entirely possible, but I’d point the finger of blame at narcissism rather than homophobia. Her child was SO unique and special that the normal societal rules did not apply. And as other comments have affirmed, once you allow yourself to go down that route, admitting that you may have used bad judgement, or even actively harmed your own child, would require a massive threat to your values, one that Green apparently refuses to face.

Sharon Overy
Sharon Overy
1 year ago

Yes, she’s been trying all of this time to justify and validate her and her ex-husband’s homophobia, by encouraging the same in others.

Margaret Bluman
Margaret Bluman
1 year ago

The exposure of Susie Green and Mermaids is one brick in the wall of gender ideology. It may be the brick that sends the whole wall crashing down. Tragically there are many powerful forces intent on shoring it up. But too many, including your former employer have done what those in the BBC did regarding Jimmy Saville and chosen not to look at what was and remains in plain sight.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago

Saville was a different case entirely. It was well known that he was behaving in a criminal manner, the senior management was fully aware that he, and quite possibly they could end up in jail and chose to collude in obstructing justice – a criminal act in itself.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  ben arnulfssen

I don’t see any difference at all. Susie Green is very obviously a criminal – she had her son castrated – as the Mermaids senior management knew perfectly well.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  ben arnulfssen

I don’t see any difference at all. Susie Green is very obviously a criminal – she had her son castrated – as the Mermaids senior management knew perfectly well.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago

Saville was a different case entirely. It was well known that he was behaving in a criminal manner, the senior management was fully aware that he, and quite possibly they could end up in jail and chose to collude in obstructing justice – a criminal act in itself.

Margaret Bluman
Margaret Bluman
1 year ago

The exposure of Susie Green and Mermaids is one brick in the wall of gender ideology. It may be the brick that sends the whole wall crashing down. Tragically there are many powerful forces intent on shoring it up. But too many, including your former employer have done what those in the BBC did regarding Jimmy Saville and chosen not to look at what was and remains in plain sight.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

Triggernometry interviewed whistle blower Marcus Evans about a year ago,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_bD6N1zNw
Nothing in Hadley Freeman’s article should come as a surprise to anyone who watches it.
If anything, if Evans is to be believed, the truth is far worse.

Last edited 1 year ago by polidori redux
Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

No indeed. The article sums up well known facts and anecdotes, but the titles and the closing sentence are very good and sums everything up nicely.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

I think one of the problems today stems from generation life hack. So many are always looking for the easy route through life and there is no easy route.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

No indeed. The article sums up well known facts and anecdotes, but the titles and the closing sentence are very good and sums everything up nicely.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  polidori redux

I think one of the problems today stems from generation life hack. So many are always looking for the easy route through life and there is no easy route.

polidori redux
polidori redux
1 year ago

Triggernometry interviewed whistle blower Marcus Evans about a year ago,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_bD6N1zNw
Nothing in Hadley Freeman’s article should come as a surprise to anyone who watches it.
If anything, if Evans is to be believed, the truth is far worse.

Last edited 1 year ago by polidori redux
Betty Peterson
Betty Peterson
1 year ago

Interesting that around the same time Hadley has left the Guardian, the paper has started to run a few stories on trans issues (by stories, I mean actual journalism, not their previous vanity work for Stonewall, Mermaids, Owen Jones etc), including on Mermaids. Also interesting that Amelia Gentleman, of Windrush reporting, is writing them. It feels like the early stages of a highly-strategised reverse ferret, or at least an attempt to cover their arse when the full extent of the Great Trans Capture is revealed via Cass and other channels

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
1 year ago
Reply to  Betty Peterson

Speaking of the Guardian, is Zoe Williams useful, or just an idiot?

Betty Peterson
Betty Peterson
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

Her interview with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie strongly suggested just an idiot

James Joyce
James Joyce
1 year ago
Reply to  Betty Peterson

An articulate Nigerian survivor of abuse is concerned about women’s safe spaces. Williams’ response? “I’m not having that!”

James Joyce
James Joyce
1 year ago
Reply to  Betty Peterson

An articulate Nigerian survivor of abuse is concerned about women’s safe spaces. Williams’ response? “I’m not having that!”

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

An idiot from time immemorial. I recall an article from some years back, stating that “there IS no white working class”. Clearly written by someone who never left London, never mind going outside the M25.
Where we live in rural Somerset, the main demographic is white working class.
She and Toynbee. God help us

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Poynton

She’s obviously never visited the United States then.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Poynton

She’s obviously never visited the United States then.

Betty Peterson
Betty Peterson
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

Her interview with Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie strongly suggested just an idiot

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

An idiot from time immemorial. I recall an article from some years back, stating that “there IS no white working class”. Clearly written by someone who never left London, never mind going outside the M25.
Where we live in rural Somerset, the main demographic is white working class.
She and Toynbee. God help us

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
1 year ago
Reply to  Betty Peterson

Speaking of the Guardian, is Zoe Williams useful, or just an idiot?

Betty Peterson
Betty Peterson
1 year ago

Interesting that around the same time Hadley has left the Guardian, the paper has started to run a few stories on trans issues (by stories, I mean actual journalism, not their previous vanity work for Stonewall, Mermaids, Owen Jones etc), including on Mermaids. Also interesting that Amelia Gentleman, of Windrush reporting, is writing them. It feels like the early stages of a highly-strategised reverse ferret, or at least an attempt to cover their arse when the full extent of the Great Trans Capture is revealed via Cass and other channels

Rick Sareen
Rick Sareen
1 year ago

10 days after Green gave a rare interview, refuting all recent criticisms of her organisation.

No she did not. Refute means to prove wrong. She simply denied it.

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Sareen

Yes, that error – only too common these days – struck me as well. It’s one of those changes that impoverish the language and damage debate, and we need to resist it: indeed, er… to refute it!

Roger le Clercq
Roger le Clercq
1 year ago
Reply to  Sue Sims

Reject is the word. Irrefutably.

Roger le Clercq
Roger le Clercq
1 year ago
Reply to  Sue Sims

Reject is the word. Irrefutably.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Sareen

Refute | verb
1. Disprove
2. Deny

Sue Sims
Sue Sims
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Sareen

Yes, that error – only too common these days – struck me as well. It’s one of those changes that impoverish the language and damage debate, and we need to resist it: indeed, er… to refute it!

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago
Reply to  Rick Sareen

Refute | verb
1. Disprove
2. Deny

Rick Sareen
Rick Sareen
1 year ago

10 days after Green gave a rare interview, refuting all recent criticisms of her organisation.

No she did not. Refute means to prove wrong. She simply denied it.

Sara Lloyd
Sara Lloyd
1 year ago

Superb piece. My overwhelming feeling is horror that normally decent and intelligent people fell for Green’s evil nonsense, and still do.

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Sara Lloyd

Yes, it is horrifying and not only in this particular context, which is itself only one terrifying feature of wokism. And it’s not a profound defect of only one irrational and anti-intellectual generation. History is littered with examples of this phenomenon. How could so many “normally decent and intelligent” Germans have fallen for Nazi nonsense? (Not all Germans became Nazis, but of those who did, not all were raving maniacs running around with torches and pitchforks.) Think also of the witch hunts (both medieval and recent), the Cultural Revolution in China, the moral panic over “Repressed Memory Syndrome,” the vigilantism of “#MeToo” and so on. What’s terrifying is the likelihood that succumbing to mass panic is an innate feature of the human condition. No society, whether religious or secular, seems immune to these brief but profoundly destructive spasms of collective neurosis or even psychosis.

Diana Holder
Diana Holder
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

“. . succumbing to mass panic is an innate feature of the human condition.”
Yes indeed, and “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds” is a worthwhile read on this. Written by Charles Mackay, published 1841. Follow it up with Douglas Murray’s more recent book, “The Madness Of Crowds”.

Diana Holder
Diana Holder
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

“. . succumbing to mass panic is an innate feature of the human condition.”
Yes indeed, and “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and The Madness of Crowds” is a worthwhile read on this. Written by Charles Mackay, published 1841. Follow it up with Douglas Murray’s more recent book, “The Madness Of Crowds”.

Charles J Lewis
Charles J Lewis
1 year ago
Reply to  Sara Lloyd

…for the evil nonsense of the trans activists generally…

Ben Smith
Ben Smith
1 year ago

“Why did so many people turn off their intelligence when faced with this former IT consultant from Leeds?”
Ouch. What have you got against Leeds?

Ben Smith
Ben Smith
1 year ago

“Why did so many people turn off their intelligence when faced with this former IT consultant from Leeds?”
Ouch. What have you got against Leeds?

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  Sara Lloyd

Yes, it is horrifying and not only in this particular context, which is itself only one terrifying feature of wokism. And it’s not a profound defect of only one irrational and anti-intellectual generation. History is littered with examples of this phenomenon. How could so many “normally decent and intelligent” Germans have fallen for Nazi nonsense? (Not all Germans became Nazis, but of those who did, not all were raving maniacs running around with torches and pitchforks.) Think also of the witch hunts (both medieval and recent), the Cultural Revolution in China, the moral panic over “Repressed Memory Syndrome,” the vigilantism of “#MeToo” and so on. What’s terrifying is the likelihood that succumbing to mass panic is an innate feature of the human condition. No society, whether religious or secular, seems immune to these brief but profoundly destructive spasms of collective neurosis or even psychosis.

Charles J Lewis
Charles J Lewis
1 year ago
Reply to  Sara Lloyd

…for the evil nonsense of the trans activists generally…

Sara Lloyd
Sara Lloyd
1 year ago

Superb piece. My overwhelming feeling is horror that normally decent and intelligent people fell for Green’s evil nonsense, and still do.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago

I’m sorry…it’s all just too disgusting for words.

Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
1 year ago

I’m sorry…it’s all just too disgusting for words.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

It might be a scary thing to tell an emperor the truth about his new clothes but why on earth was it so impossible to tell Green the truth about her open child abuse?

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago

It might be a scary thing to tell an emperor the truth about his new clothes but why on earth was it so impossible to tell Green the truth about her open child abuse?

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago

Interesting article but why do you keep referring to Jackie Green as ‘she’ or ‘her’? That may be how Jackie would prefer to be referred to but it is not reality and he should not be forced/encouraged to think that only girls like My Little Pony etc. I liked dolls for a bit when a young boy and that is just how some are/were.
Trans people and their supporters seem to be be the most forceful supporters of gender stereotyping, along with crazy wish fulfillment.
We all need to tolerate, try to emphasis with trans people but we MUST NOT play their game of referring to them as other than their real gender.

Jim Pick
Jim Pick
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Indeed we shouldn’t, as the Cass report indicates that affirmation should not be perceived as a neutral action. Criminal investigations need to undertaken urgently.

Dr. G Marzanna
Dr. G Marzanna
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

The poor creature has been so damaged by their parents we should call them what they like and hope they are being supported by better quality friends.
It’s such a sad story.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr. G Marzanna

*The poor boy has been so damaged by his parents we should call him what he likes and hope he is being supported by better quality friends.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Dr. G Marzanna

*The poor boy has been so damaged by his parents we should call him what he likes and hope he is being supported by better quality friends.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

My elder so had a rag doll, left behind by an older cousin when he was a toddler. He carried it around with him, fed it, put it to bed and generally “took care” of it. After about a year he simply lost interest in it.

I never thought anything of the matter and still don’t. Children play at roles, act out their experiences and perceptions. It’s just what they do.

Jim Pick
Jim Pick
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

Indeed we shouldn’t, as the Cass report indicates that affirmation should not be perceived as a neutral action. Criminal investigations need to undertaken urgently.

Dr. G Marzanna
Dr. G Marzanna
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

The poor creature has been so damaged by their parents we should call them what they like and hope they are being supported by better quality friends.
It’s such a sad story.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago
Reply to  Rob N

My elder so had a rag doll, left behind by an older cousin when he was a toddler. He carried it around with him, fed it, put it to bed and generally “took care” of it. After about a year he simply lost interest in it.

I never thought anything of the matter and still don’t. Children play at roles, act out their experiences and perceptions. It’s just what they do.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago

Interesting article but why do you keep referring to Jackie Green as ‘she’ or ‘her’? That may be how Jackie would prefer to be referred to but it is not reality and he should not be forced/encouraged to think that only girls like My Little Pony etc. I liked dolls for a bit when a young boy and that is just how some are/were.
Trans people and their supporters seem to be be the most forceful supporters of gender stereotyping, along with crazy wish fulfillment.
We all need to tolerate, try to emphasis with trans people but we MUST NOT play their game of referring to them as other than their real gender.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago

Why isn’t this woman looking at life through bars at His Majesty’s pleasure?

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago

Why isn’t this woman looking at life through bars at His Majesty’s pleasure?

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

The lady should be in jail. Folks can have their kids removed for giving them a spank, but genital mutilation is ok?

Paula Adams
Paula Adams
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

For some reason, I am not finding a box to comment, so I will reply here. First off , his mother thought because he wanted to play with certain toys he needed to change from a boy to a girl. Why can’t boys play with all toys like girls can? He didn’t need to change his body. He needed to be allowed free range of toys. Obviously the mother was a neurotic and narcissistic nutcase.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
1 year ago
Reply to  Paula Adams

Gender dysphoria is difficult for most of us to get our heads round. Even those of us who are parents of trans children have little idea of what it must feel like or why it is so important to the individual. It is also something which has recently become very controversial and something of a political football. Even now very little help pr advice is available for parents or children.
It would be helpful if this debate vould be dialed fown a bit, it is difficult enough picking one’s way through the often contradictory advice without having to listen to accusations of ” child abuse”

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

“Dialed down” to what?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

How do you dial down a debate about castrating young boys??!?

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

The problem with “gender dysphoria” is that it is an ideological construct, which you either believe in, or you don’t.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

“Dialed down” to what?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

How do you dial down a debate about castrating young boys??!?

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago
Reply to  Will D. Mann

The problem with “gender dysphoria” is that it is an ideological construct, which you either believe in, or you don’t.

Will D. Mann
Will D. Mann
1 year ago
Reply to  Paula Adams

Gender dysphoria is difficult for most of us to get our heads round. Even those of us who are parents of trans children have little idea of what it must feel like or why it is so important to the individual. It is also something which has recently become very controversial and something of a political football. Even now very little help pr advice is available for parents or children.
It would be helpful if this debate vould be dialed fown a bit, it is difficult enough picking one’s way through the often contradictory advice without having to listen to accusations of ” child abuse”

Richard Marriott
Richard Marriott
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Green is evil personified. To have her own son given experimental medication and then have him surgically mutilated is as wicked as anything done by Mengele and worse, done to her own child!

Paula Adams
Paula Adams
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

For some reason, I am not finding a box to comment, so I will reply here. First off , his mother thought because he wanted to play with certain toys he needed to change from a boy to a girl. Why can’t boys play with all toys like girls can? He didn’t need to change his body. He needed to be allowed free range of toys. Obviously the mother was a neurotic and narcissistic nutcase.

Richard Marriott
Richard Marriott
1 year ago
Reply to  Ray Andrews

Green is evil personified. To have her own son given experimental medication and then have him surgically mutilated is as wicked as anything done by Mengele and worse, done to her own child!

Ray Andrews
Ray Andrews
1 year ago

The lady should be in jail. Folks can have their kids removed for giving them a spank, but genital mutilation is ok?

Marcas Lancaster
Marcas Lancaster
1 year ago

Liberals have no idea what to do with psychopaths which is one reason our institutions are prone to capture.

Marcas Lancaster
Marcas Lancaster
1 year ago

Liberals have no idea what to do with psychopaths which is one reason our institutions are prone to capture.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

We in the west have lost our ability to think critically. Puberty blockers are an awful idea. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon or peer-reviewed studies to figure this out. You don’t need a PHD to realize that children should be discouraged from taking life-altering, medically unnecessary surgery.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
1 year ago

We in the west have lost our ability to think critically. Puberty blockers are an awful idea. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon or peer-reviewed studies to figure this out. You don’t need a PHD to realize that children should be discouraged from taking life-altering, medically unnecessary surgery.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
1 year ago

I’m not convinced that we should refer to a boy who claims to be a girl and had some medical intervention as “she”. It might be nicer to the person concerned but it’s a lie.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
1 year ago

I’m not convinced that we should refer to a boy who claims to be a girl and had some medical intervention as “she”. It might be nicer to the person concerned but it’s a lie.

Charles J Lewis
Charles J Lewis
1 year ago

Absolutely brilliant!
This quote should be placed before all the ‘useful idiots’:
But all the journalists, teachers, editors and activists who endorsed Green’s obviously ludicrous ideas and shouted down anyone who didn’t, they really need to take a long look at their judgement, their motives and themselves

Charles J Lewis
Charles J Lewis
1 year ago

Absolutely brilliant!
This quote should be placed before all the ‘useful idiots’:
But all the journalists, teachers, editors and activists who endorsed Green’s obviously ludicrous ideas and shouted down anyone who didn’t, they really need to take a long look at their judgement, their motives and themselves

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

I never cease to be amazed than anyone such as Susie Green can be given the wherewithal to cause such damage on the basis of her own personal experience. Because that’s all it is, and using the particular to manipulate the general can never be a good idea but we see it put forward so often; someone saying that some random thing MUST be true because it happened to them.
It’s not a failure of intellect of the person making such claims that’s the problem, rather the failure of everyone else who takes the specific and limited experience of the claimant as legitimate evidence.

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Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

I never cease to be amazed than anyone such as Susie Green can be given the wherewithal to cause such damage on the basis of her own personal experience. Because that’s all it is, and using the particular to manipulate the general can never be a good idea but we see it put forward so often; someone saying that some random thing MUST be true because it happened to them.
It’s not a failure of intellect of the person making such claims that’s the problem, rather the failure of everyone else who takes the specific and limited experience of the claimant as legitimate evidence.

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Veronica Lowe
Veronica Lowe
1 year ago

I believe China has realised foot binding was wrong.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Veronica Lowe

It took more than 2,000 years to work that out.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Veronica Lowe

It took more than 2,000 years to work that out.

Veronica Lowe
Veronica Lowe
1 year ago

I believe China has realised foot binding was wrong.

Carol Moore
Carol Moore
1 year ago

There is a strange and rather dangerous spirit stalking this land. It dare not be opposed, for fear it will turn and rip you to shreds. Otherwise intelligent and sensible people keep their views to themselves and hope it will pass but know their employment could be endangered by speaking out. Isn’t this what Stalinism was like?

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Carol Moore

The state has always been at war with the family. Thanks to the totalitarian centralisation of education and the growth of public funding for pressure groups and other vested interests the state is now well on the way to winning that war.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Even if it’s not intentional they should be able to see how, as a result of their policies, the family is under pressure.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Even if it’s not intentional they should be able to see how, as a result of their policies, the family is under pressure.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Carol Moore

The state has always been at war with the family. Thanks to the totalitarian centralisation of education and the growth of public funding for pressure groups and other vested interests the state is now well on the way to winning that war.

Carol Moore
Carol Moore
1 year ago

There is a strange and rather dangerous spirit stalking this land. It dare not be opposed, for fear it will turn and rip you to shreds. Otherwise intelligent and sensible people keep their views to themselves and hope it will pass but know their employment could be endangered by speaking out. Isn’t this what Stalinism was like?

Darragh Patrick
Darragh Patrick
1 year ago

It should be no surprise that Green was religious and the poor kid grew up in a homophobic household. My older sister, a born-again Christian, referred her young son to this sexist charity as it was problematic that he liked playing dress-up and trying on Halloween wigs (what kid doesn’t?). I think she is terrified he might be gay but I played like that and I’m happily married to a woman – who cares? He has been on puberty blockers for 5 years and clear cognitive stunt compared to his peers, all because he didn’t confirm to the rigid stereotypes that Mermaids and his homophobic mother advocates. Most of us cut off for not being supportive & ‘bigots’ for not being ok with a perfectly normal kid being sterilised & stunted. It has totally destroyed our family all because of a sexist, homophobic ideology that requires children to conform, or else.

Darragh Patrick
Darragh Patrick
1 year ago

It should be no surprise that Green was religious and the poor kid grew up in a homophobic household. My older sister, a born-again Christian, referred her young son to this sexist charity as it was problematic that he liked playing dress-up and trying on Halloween wigs (what kid doesn’t?). I think she is terrified he might be gay but I played like that and I’m happily married to a woman – who cares? He has been on puberty blockers for 5 years and clear cognitive stunt compared to his peers, all because he didn’t confirm to the rigid stereotypes that Mermaids and his homophobic mother advocates. Most of us cut off for not being supportive & ‘bigots’ for not being ok with a perfectly normal kid being sterilised & stunted. It has totally destroyed our family all because of a sexist, homophobic ideology that requires children to conform, or else.

Gwen Kime
Gwen Kime
1 year ago

I’ve always had doubts about the veracity of SG’s story, and there’s one reason in your article. Jack’s father ws homophobic, Jack was their first child so how was he gravitating toward Polly Pocket and My Little Pony at one year old? Why were those toys in the house?

Josie Bowen
Josie Bowen
1 year ago
Reply to  Gwen Kime

Very good point.

Josie Bowen
Josie Bowen
1 year ago
Reply to  Gwen Kime

Very good point.

Gwen Kime
Gwen Kime
1 year ago

I’ve always had doubts about the veracity of SG’s story, and there’s one reason in your article. Jack’s father ws homophobic, Jack was their first child so how was he gravitating toward Polly Pocket and My Little Pony at one year old? Why were those toys in the house?

Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

This is quite an interesting link on this topic:

https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/when-embodiment-goals-outlast-trans

That a graduate researcher dare step into this minefield, attests to some slipping of the hold the fanatics have over the topic, and the opening statement is so mind blowingly narcissistic it points to the real personality disorder at play.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Difficult read on so many levels. And what on earth does “desist” mean?

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Bit of a guess, but I think it’s referring to cis gender (as in made up word for identifying as born sex). Desisting would be the process of stopping that.
Although I am not 100% sure because it doesn’t quite fit the following paragraphs.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

Ah, as in “de-cis-ting”…

petal jam
petal jam
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

Desist is to stop identifying as the other gender, although not necessarily to lose the sense of unease in one’s body [dysphoria.]

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

Ah, as in “de-cis-ting”…

petal jam
petal jam
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Dalton

Desist is to stop identifying as the other gender, although not necessarily to lose the sense of unease in one’s body [dysphoria.]

S Wilkinson
S Wilkinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

‘Desist’ is used to describe ceasing to socially identify as ‘trans’. It’s used to describe those who haven’t medicalised their transition before changing their minds.
‘Detransition’ is used to describe ceasing to medicalise (ie stopping cross sex hormones and / or seeking remediation to repair some of the results of reassignment surgery) and ceasing the ‘trans’ identification.

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Bit of a guess, but I think it’s referring to cis gender (as in made up word for identifying as born sex). Desisting would be the process of stopping that.
Although I am not 100% sure because it doesn’t quite fit the following paragraphs.

S Wilkinson
S Wilkinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

‘Desist’ is used to describe ceasing to socially identify as ‘trans’. It’s used to describe those who haven’t medicalised their transition before changing their minds.
‘Detransition’ is used to describe ceasing to medicalise (ie stopping cross sex hormones and / or seeking remediation to repair some of the results of reassignment surgery) and ceasing the ‘trans’ identification.

Diana Holder
Diana Holder
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

I’m guessing “Eliza Mondegreen” is a pen name. A Mondegreen is a misheard line from poetry or song.
‘For they’ve killed the Earl of Murray
And the Lady Mondegreen:

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Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

Difficult read on so many levels. And what on earth does “desist” mean?

Diana Holder
Diana Holder
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

I’m guessing “Eliza Mondegreen” is a pen name. A Mondegreen is a misheard line from poetry or song.
‘For they’ve killed the Earl of Murray
And the Lady Mondegreen:

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Martin Bollis
Martin Bollis
1 year ago

This is quite an interesting link on this topic:

https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/when-embodiment-goals-outlast-trans

That a graduate researcher dare step into this minefield, attests to some slipping of the hold the fanatics have over the topic, and the opening statement is so mind blowingly narcissistic it points to the real personality disorder at play.

CF Hankinson
CF Hankinson
1 year ago

She is a person most probably driven by her own guilt and justification of her weakness and wrongdoing. But I am left wondering whether the author was implying that had Green lived in London and not Leeds and not been in IT, her views would have been more understandable? Unlikely? Is Leeds here seen as a provincial backwater, a joke or den of progressive madness? Like IT consultants? Unnecessary cliched derision of both.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  CF Hankinson

I don’t think either were meant that way.
It could have just as easily be “a supermarket manager from Wimbledon” or “a pension consultant from Cambridge”.

Ben J
Ben J
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Nope, I think Hadley, being an impeccably well-connected liberal journalist, meant it exactly as I read it too. And I have no time for Green or her views.

Seldom
Seldom
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben J

Hadley has much bigger fish to fry. She’s too busy exposing her former editors to engage in cheap shots against random cities and jobs.

Seldom
Seldom
1 year ago
Reply to  Ben J

Hadley has much bigger fish to fry. She’s too busy exposing her former editors to engage in cheap shots against random cities and jobs.

Ben J
Ben J
1 year ago
Reply to  Arkadian X

Nope, I think Hadley, being an impeccably well-connected liberal journalist, meant it exactly as I read it too. And I have no time for Green or her views.

Arkadian X
Arkadian X
1 year ago
Reply to  CF Hankinson

I don’t think either were meant that way.
It could have just as easily be “a supermarket manager from Wimbledon” or “a pension consultant from Cambridge”.

CF Hankinson
CF Hankinson
1 year ago

She is a person most probably driven by her own guilt and justification of her weakness and wrongdoing. But I am left wondering whether the author was implying that had Green lived in London and not Leeds and not been in IT, her views would have been more understandable? Unlikely? Is Leeds here seen as a provincial backwater, a joke or den of progressive madness? Like IT consultants? Unnecessary cliched derision of both.

Nick Wade
Nick Wade
1 year ago

“ There is a fine line between using your parenting experience to help others, and validating your parenting choices by encouraging others to do the same.”

I think this line encapsulates why Mermaids ever came into existence. Doubling down is a popular tactic, as seen numerous times with Covid policies.

Nick Wade
Nick Wade
1 year ago

“ There is a fine line between using your parenting experience to help others, and validating your parenting choices by encouraging others to do the same.”

I think this line encapsulates why Mermaids ever came into existence. Doubling down is a popular tactic, as seen numerous times with Covid policies.

Michael Davis
Michael Davis
1 year ago

Trans people are not oppressed. They demand rights that would remove rights from other people and then cry oppression when it is problematic
not sure why peoples sexual preferences now pervades every aspect of life, it used to be something personal

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Michael Davis
Michael Davis
1 year ago

Trans people are not oppressed. They demand rights that would remove rights from other people and then cry oppression when it is problematic
not sure why peoples sexual preferences now pervades every aspect of life, it used to be something personal

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Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

Green is a deeply sinister woman who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, her own or anyone else’s.

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Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago

Green is a deeply sinister woman who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near kids, her own or anyone else’s.

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Marsha D
Marsha D
1 year ago

Brilliant. Thank you.

Martin Spartfarkin
Martin Spartfarkin
1 year ago
Reply to  Marsha D

I tell you what though. B4U-ACT is actually a group designed to help people with paedophile desires avoid acting on them. (The clue is in the name). The fact that Hadley chucks the connection in here, absent of context or explanation, is a smear, deliberately dishonest. Which in my view throws the trustworthiness of the rest of the piece into question. Whatever you think about the trans issue in general.

David Britten
David Britten
1 year ago

I’d say that bit’s somewhat lazy rather than dishonest. If you have any doubts about the inappropriateness of Breslaw’s appointment, I suggest checking out the blogposts in which he writes, inter alia, about his sexual desire for children (“It isn’t the gender of my sexual object choice that is the sole basis of my desire, but the age and subsequent deviance of that desire that is important”) and his admiration for ‘Destroyer’ magazine: archive.ph/gZ8Dw. Or you could read the academic monograph in which Breslaw writes about his desire for the twelve-year-old boy who is performing a sexualised dance.
Then ask anyone involved in child safeguarding what red flags all of this (and worse) raises, and they’ll say that this person shouldn’t be anywhere near a charity that works with young people who are often deeply confused and distressed about sexuality and gender.
Aside from his work as a queer theorist with a particular interest in one subset of ‘deviant’ sexualities, Breslaw appears to have precisely zilch in the way of qualifications for the role of trustee. In other words, he was appointed not despite but because of his academic/political interests and the personal predilections from which they stem.
As for the unreliability of the rest of the article: no. Check the link to the comprehensive debunking of the suicide statistics. It takes a special kind of manipulative sociopathy to conjure the spectre of suicide in this way when one has been presented, as Mermaids were, with such strong refutations of the statistical claims. They chose to ignore the facts that didn’t accord with their dogma, just as they dismissed the growing concern about the disproportionate number of gender-dysphoric young people (girls in particular) who were depressed, or had an eating disorder, or were autistic, or came from a looked-after background, or had a history of abuse, and/or whose gender dysphoria developed rapidly and unexpectedly. All of this was brushed aside in Mermaids’ and others’ championing of the affirmation model that has seen so many young people needlessly led down the medical path. They, and their useful idiots, deserve all the opprobrium they’re getting.

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Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  David Britten

Not Breslaw who wa in the ” Carry on” films?

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  David Britten

Not Breslaw who wa in the ” Carry on” films?

S Wilkinson
S Wilkinson
1 year ago

That is their headline aim but I took the time to do more research (including Jacob Breslow’s paper to their conference) and it is not quite as squeaky clean as it sounds.
I can’t be bothered to go through it all again – you can research it yourself along with the other affiliations and interests of those involved.
Breslow’s paper was pretty abhorrent as well, as are his other writings with regard to child sexuality and ‘intergenerational love’ in which he professes his own leanings.

David Britten
David Britten
1 year ago

I’d say that bit’s somewhat lazy rather than dishonest. If you have any doubts about the inappropriateness of Breslaw’s appointment, I suggest checking out the blogposts in which he writes, inter alia, about his sexual desire for children (“It isn’t the gender of my sexual object choice that is the sole basis of my desire, but the age and subsequent deviance of that desire that is important”) and his admiration for ‘Destroyer’ magazine: archive.ph/gZ8Dw. Or you could read the academic monograph in which Breslaw writes about his desire for the twelve-year-old boy who is performing a sexualised dance.
Then ask anyone involved in child safeguarding what red flags all of this (and worse) raises, and they’ll say that this person shouldn’t be anywhere near a charity that works with young people who are often deeply confused and distressed about sexuality and gender.
Aside from his work as a queer theorist with a particular interest in one subset of ‘deviant’ sexualities, Breslaw appears to have precisely zilch in the way of qualifications for the role of trustee. In other words, he was appointed not despite but because of his academic/political interests and the personal predilections from which they stem.
As for the unreliability of the rest of the article: no. Check the link to the comprehensive debunking of the suicide statistics. It takes a special kind of manipulative sociopathy to conjure the spectre of suicide in this way when one has been presented, as Mermaids were, with such strong refutations of the statistical claims. They chose to ignore the facts that didn’t accord with their dogma, just as they dismissed the growing concern about the disproportionate number of gender-dysphoric young people (girls in particular) who were depressed, or had an eating disorder, or were autistic, or came from a looked-after background, or had a history of abuse, and/or whose gender dysphoria developed rapidly and unexpectedly. All of this was brushed aside in Mermaids’ and others’ championing of the affirmation model that has seen so many young people needlessly led down the medical path. They, and their useful idiots, deserve all the opprobrium they’re getting.

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S Wilkinson
S Wilkinson
1 year ago

That is their headline aim but I took the time to do more research (including Jacob Breslow’s paper to their conference) and it is not quite as squeaky clean as it sounds.
I can’t be bothered to go through it all again – you can research it yourself along with the other affiliations and interests of those involved.
Breslow’s paper was pretty abhorrent as well, as are his other writings with regard to child sexuality and ‘intergenerational love’ in which he professes his own leanings.

Martin Spartfarkin
Martin Spartfarkin
1 year ago
Reply to  Marsha D

I tell you what though. B4U-ACT is actually a group designed to help people with paedophile desires avoid acting on them. (The clue is in the name). The fact that Hadley chucks the connection in here, absent of context or explanation, is a smear, deliberately dishonest. Which in my view throws the trustworthiness of the rest of the piece into question. Whatever you think about the trans issue in general.

Marsha D
Marsha D
1 year ago

Brilliant. Thank you.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

I have read suggestions that Green’s replacement will have ‘life experience’, i.e. will be trans. As usual the revolution eats itself as others eye Green’s salary and public position.

As for why Green and Mermaids survived for so long … there are two reasons. We no longer educate young people to think. The contradictions that Hadley mentions simply weren’t obvious to most of the young people supporting Green. Secondly, there was just too much money thanks to the NHS spending so much of their budget on the medical and psychological procedures.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

I read a quote in The Telegraph that referenced “lived experience” not “life experience”. The two can mean different things depending on the frame of reference.
In the case of Mermaids the quote said; her replacement “needs strong EDI (equality, diversity and inclusion) experience, ideally lived experience”, with some staff believing this means being transgender.
In my view, if it is “lived experience” we may have woke marxism right there, since “lived experience” is the experience one has that is determined by having a particular position in a power structure – hence, in woke-speak, “positionality”.
As I understand it, according to gender marxism, it is determined by an oppressive structure of social relations between the statistically normal people or superstructure(was bourgeoisie), and the statistically abnormal people or infrastructure(was proletariat). That structure determines how they act and what they are as individuals – hence, in woke-speak, ‘structural determinism’.
I reckon if gender marxism is going on, then EDI (equity NOT equality BTW), is its tool in this case. So Diversity for example, is not diversity of people – that is, with a diversity various characteristics – but only those characteristics as understood and expressed in an authentic way – and that is according to how gender marxism sees diversity – in other words, a diversity of marginalised, minority oppressed class of gender identities.

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michael stanwick
michael stanwick
1 year ago

I read a quote in The Telegraph that referenced “lived experience” not “life experience”. The two can mean different things depending on the frame of reference.
In the case of Mermaids the quote said; her replacement “needs strong EDI (equality, diversity and inclusion) experience, ideally lived experience”, with some staff believing this means being transgender.
In my view, if it is “lived experience” we may have woke marxism right there, since “lived experience” is the experience one has that is determined by having a particular position in a power structure – hence, in woke-speak, “positionality”.
As I understand it, according to gender marxism, it is determined by an oppressive structure of social relations between the statistically normal people or superstructure(was bourgeoisie), and the statistically abnormal people or infrastructure(was proletariat). That structure determines how they act and what they are as individuals – hence, in woke-speak, ‘structural determinism’.
I reckon if gender marxism is going on, then EDI (equity NOT equality BTW), is its tool in this case. So Diversity for example, is not diversity of people – that is, with a diversity various characteristics – but only those characteristics as understood and expressed in an authentic way – and that is according to how gender marxism sees diversity – in other words, a diversity of marginalised, minority oppressed class of gender identities.

Last edited 1 year ago by michael stanwick
Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago

I have read suggestions that Green’s replacement will have ‘life experience’, i.e. will be trans. As usual the revolution eats itself as others eye Green’s salary and public position.

As for why Green and Mermaids survived for so long … there are two reasons. We no longer educate young people to think. The contradictions that Hadley mentions simply weren’t obvious to most of the young people supporting Green. Secondly, there was just too much money thanks to the NHS spending so much of their budget on the medical and psychological procedures.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

“mainly because I don’t care what Emma Watson thinks about anything”
Isn’t she the UN ambassador for feminism?
And didn’t she receive a standing ovation for her speech?
Maybe you care just a little bit?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Not when you realize that most organizations are all too eager to appoint celebrity airheads to convey their message.

Darragh Patrick
Darragh Patrick
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

It wasn’t particularly successful just popular because she’s a celebrity. She’s a very privileged celebrity, that can’t act, so grifts using movements she doesn’t really care about. She’s got some serious internalised misogyny.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

Not when you realize that most organizations are all too eager to appoint celebrity airheads to convey their message.

Darragh Patrick
Darragh Patrick
1 year ago
Reply to  William Shaw

It wasn’t particularly successful just popular because she’s a celebrity. She’s a very privileged celebrity, that can’t act, so grifts using movements she doesn’t really care about. She’s got some serious internalised misogyny.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

“mainly because I don’t care what Emma Watson thinks about anything”
Isn’t she the UN ambassador for feminism?
And didn’t she receive a standing ovation for her speech?
Maybe you care just a little bit?

Smalltime J
Smalltime J
1 year ago

This article is about 90% given up to criticism of a person’s parenting skills. Call me old-fashioned, but that’s not how I judge a charity or any organisation. And call me old-fashioned again, but I don’t think any article about a male CEO would focus on his parental abilities. There may be legitimate criticisms to be made of Mermaids, but an ad hominem attack on its leader for not being a good enough mother is not one.
I’m also not sure I buy all the criticisms of the organisation that are made. I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders. If they had parental consent they wouldn’t be turning to this organisation I presume and the idea that the older generation should decide what kids do with their breasts is just about the definition of patriarchal control. My old secondary school certainly gave students of all access to condoms and tampons without parental permission (tampons being controversial to some Muslim parents). My body my choice etc.
And as the trustee of a charity who has been involved in recruiting other trustees, conducting a google and social media search of someone who is in a trusted professional position seems to go far enough for me.
I don’t know enough about puberty blockers or to comment and the linked articles are behind a paywall. But I presume that prescribing them has always been the preserve of doctors as opposed to this charity.

Paul S
Paul S
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

My eyes just rolled a full 360 degrees.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul S
N Forster
N Forster
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Idiot.

Tom Beale
Tom Beale
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders.”
The below study is the first of its kind, and was conducted by The Binding Health Project at Boston University, which asked 1,800 people about their binding practices.
“Over 97 per cent of respondents said they had experienced at least one negative health outcome from binding including pain, overheating, and shortness of breath. Fifty even reported rib fractures.”
I hope you are not a parent!

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Beale

Same here. Almost all the medical treatments used, such as puberty blocking, are extremely damaging to long term health.
It does seem however that more and more are detransitioning and prepared to go public with their (horrific) stories.

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom Beale

Same here. Almost all the medical treatments used, such as puberty blocking, are extremely damaging to long term health.
It does seem however that more and more are detransitioning and prepared to go public with their (horrific) stories.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

If the writer were citicising Ms Green’s running of a widget factor by making reference to her parental behaviour then you might have a point, but her behaviour as a mother is the crux of the matter, and may actually explain what she did at Mermaids.

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“I’m also not sure I buy all the criticisms of the organisation that are made. I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders.”
Because they can be extremely damaging for starters, and because the child was a minor.
God help us.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Part of the evil of this trans derangement is the encouragement for teachers/schools/’experts’ to cut parents out. Whatever the issue this is evil per se and is an attempt to destroy the familly and leave us in a Marxist culture where nobody cares about children or, in fact, anyone else and where we are all controlled by the State and its experts.
Trans mania is an additional layer of evil on top of the parent/family destruction.

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“And call me old-fashioned again, but I don’t think any article about a male CEO would focus on his parental abilities.”

That statement might be even more stupid than the anti-semitism article.

The entire point of the article is juxtaposing Green’s decision making as the parent of a trans child with her role as the CEO of a trans charity.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Because breast binders are known to be medically harmful, I expect. They have no medical application.

Kim Hardy
Kim Hardy
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

The criticism of Susie Green’s parenting is relevant because it is her only claim to involvement with the charity. She is not a medical or psychiatric professional, she has (repeatedly, publicly and explicitly) levied her child’s personal experience to become the CEO of a charity and wield power and influence in a field in which she has no other expertise. Thereby making said parental experience extremely pertinent. I am certain HF would issue the same critique had a father done the same.

Re breast binders, they cause explicit physical harm. If my child wished to bind her feet against my wishes I wouldn’t expect a charity (with no medical authority) to issue the materials and instructions to her behind my back. ‘My body my choice’ has pretty obvious limitations.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Are you for real ?
You sound very dangerous.
With you attitude, you should never hold any position of authority however minor.

Ruth Conlock
Ruth Conlock
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Two words: child safeguarding. Look it up

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

I see you are one of the “My body my choice” brigade. Happy to see children encouraged to self-harm, engage in sex with adults, commit suicide – all choices children might indulge in with appropriate encouragement by ill-disposed adults and which responsible parents might protect them from?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

The transgender movement (and other LGBQT ‘science’) is rooted in unethical research similar to that performed by Dr. Josef Mengele in World War II: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders”
Are you going to argue for a change to age of consent laws too?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“This article is about 90% given up to criticism of a person’s parenting skills.”
The parenting skills of the CEO of a children’s charity who had her son castrated.
“Call me old-fashioned, but that’s not how I judge a charity or any organisation. And call me old-fashioned again, but I don’t think any article about a male CEO would focus on his parental abilities.”
Most CEO’s don’t castrate their sons.

Paul S
Paul S
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

My eyes just rolled a full 360 degrees.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul S
N Forster
N Forster
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Idiot.

Tom Beale
Tom Beale
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders.”
The below study is the first of its kind, and was conducted by The Binding Health Project at Boston University, which asked 1,800 people about their binding practices.
“Over 97 per cent of respondents said they had experienced at least one negative health outcome from binding including pain, overheating, and shortness of breath. Fifty even reported rib fractures.”
I hope you are not a parent!

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

If the writer were citicising Ms Green’s running of a widget factor by making reference to her parental behaviour then you might have a point, but her behaviour as a mother is the crux of the matter, and may actually explain what she did at Mermaids.

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“I’m also not sure I buy all the criticisms of the organisation that are made. I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders.”
Because they can be extremely damaging for starters, and because the child was a minor.
God help us.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Part of the evil of this trans derangement is the encouragement for teachers/schools/’experts’ to cut parents out. Whatever the issue this is evil per se and is an attempt to destroy the familly and leave us in a Marxist culture where nobody cares about children or, in fact, anyone else and where we are all controlled by the State and its experts.
Trans mania is an additional layer of evil on top of the parent/family destruction.

Andrew Dalton
Andrew Dalton
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“And call me old-fashioned again, but I don’t think any article about a male CEO would focus on his parental abilities.”

That statement might be even more stupid than the anti-semitism article.

The entire point of the article is juxtaposing Green’s decision making as the parent of a trans child with her role as the CEO of a trans charity.

ben arnulfssen
ben arnulfssen
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Because breast binders are known to be medically harmful, I expect. They have no medical application.

Kim Hardy
Kim Hardy
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

The criticism of Susie Green’s parenting is relevant because it is her only claim to involvement with the charity. She is not a medical or psychiatric professional, she has (repeatedly, publicly and explicitly) levied her child’s personal experience to become the CEO of a charity and wield power and influence in a field in which she has no other expertise. Thereby making said parental experience extremely pertinent. I am certain HF would issue the same critique had a father done the same.

Re breast binders, they cause explicit physical harm. If my child wished to bind her feet against my wishes I wouldn’t expect a charity (with no medical authority) to issue the materials and instructions to her behind my back. ‘My body my choice’ has pretty obvious limitations.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Are you for real ?
You sound very dangerous.
With you attitude, you should never hold any position of authority however minor.

Ruth Conlock
Ruth Conlock
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

Two words: child safeguarding. Look it up

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

I see you are one of the “My body my choice” brigade. Happy to see children encouraged to self-harm, engage in sex with adults, commit suicide – all choices children might indulge in with appropriate encouragement by ill-disposed adults and which responsible parents might protect them from?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

The transgender movement (and other LGBQT ‘science’) is rooted in unethical research similar to that performed by Dr. Josef Mengele in World War II: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders”
Are you going to argue for a change to age of consent laws too?

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
1 year ago
Reply to  Smalltime J

“This article is about 90% given up to criticism of a person’s parenting skills.”
The parenting skills of the CEO of a children’s charity who had her son castrated.
“Call me old-fashioned, but that’s not how I judge a charity or any organisation. And call me old-fashioned again, but I don’t think any article about a male CEO would focus on his parental abilities.”
Most CEO’s don’t castrate their sons.

Smalltime J
Smalltime J
1 year ago

This article is about 90% given up to criticism of a person’s parenting skills. Call me old-fashioned, but that’s not how I judge a charity or any organisation. And call me old-fashioned again, but I don’t think any article about a male CEO would focus on his parental abilities. There may be legitimate criticisms to be made of Mermaids, but an ad hominem attack on its leader for not being a good enough mother is not one.
I’m also not sure I buy all the criticisms of the organisation that are made. I don’t really get why teens should have to get ‘parental consent’ before obtaining breast binders. If they had parental consent they wouldn’t be turning to this organisation I presume and the idea that the older generation should decide what kids do with their breasts is just about the definition of patriarchal control. My old secondary school certainly gave students of all access to condoms and tampons without parental permission (tampons being controversial to some Muslim parents). My body my choice etc.
And as the trustee of a charity who has been involved in recruiting other trustees, conducting a google and social media search of someone who is in a trusted professional position seems to go far enough for me.
I don’t know enough about puberty blockers or to comment and the linked articles are behind a paywall. But I presume that prescribing them has always been the preserve of doctors as opposed to this charity.