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What The Lancet gets wrong about women Why has the science journal waded into the gender ideology debate?

Credit: Sam Mellish / In Pictures via Getty

Credit: Sam Mellish / In Pictures via Getty


September 27, 2021   5 mins

This weekend, The Lancet dehumanised the bodies of half the population.

The single quote on the front cover was stark, “Historically, the anatomy and physiology of bodies with vaginas have been neglected.”

Not even, “people with vaginas”, though that would have been bad enough. The Lancet has now gone beyond the appalling language — “people who menstruate” — that so upset JK Rowling last year.

The excerpt came from a review of an exhibition on the history of menstruation by Sophia Davis, but my complaint is not with her — she used the words woman and women five times in her piece. My concern is that this specific quote was chosen to be used so provocatively on the cover.

The Lancet — one of the world’s oldest and best-known medical journals — is on a mission. The publication might claim that “improving lives is the only end goal,” but editor Richard Horton has grand plans. His vision, which he laid out in 2016 is political revolution.

“The idea of the Lancet was born at an extraordinary moment in the history of the world in the early 19th century which was a moment of political revolution and social revolt. We have to capture that idea every single day in what we do… What I think we’re trying to achieve now is to capture that original idea – the essence of who we are, our identity, in these campaigns that we are developing.”

This journal is of course no stranger to controversy. In 1998, it published Andrew Wakefield’s now notorious article that linked the MMR vaccine with chronic enterocolitis and autism. By the time that paper was retracted — 12 years later — children had been harmed. According to Public Health England, “It had an important impact on MMR coverage which dropped to about 80% nationally in the late nineties and early 2000s and took many years to recover. … Measles cases continued to rise and in 2006 endemic transmission became re-established in the UK.”

Horton has strayed over the line from medicine into politics repeatedly, covering for example the invasion of Iraq and the conflict in Gaza. While he has been quick to challenge the UK government over the response to Covid-19, he has been rather more forgiving of the Chinese authorities.

It is perhaps no wonder that he has waded into one of the most charged political debates of our time: the material reality of flesh and blood. Yes, some people struggle with their bodies — for any number of reasons, but we can never be divorced from them.

The egregious quote might lead us to think that Horton believes otherwise. Does he really think that “bodies with vaginas” are as peripheral to humanity as, say, cars with a hatchback: mere perambulating devices that transport our metaphysical essence from place to place?

If so, he would be replacing modern science with Gnosticism, a heresy that stretches back much further than the founding of The Lancet in 1823. So ancient in fact, that it was first refuted by Ignatius of Antioch who died around 110 CE.

In the early second century, Gnostics separated the spiritual from the material. They held that matter was evil and the spirit good. Their focus was on the person of Jesus Christ — claims were made that he did not have a real body but only an apparent or phantom one — and a hope of salvation that came through esoteric knowledge, or gnosis.

There are strong parallels today in the debate over sex and gender. Adherents of what has become known as “gender ideology” might replace spirit with mind, but the schism between mind and body is much the same. Their entire belief system is constructed on esoteric knowledge.  Even small children are understood to be able to discern their gender identity, a mysterious quality that supposedly trumps mere biology when demarcating men from women.

As Mary Harrington suggested in her recent essay about latter-day “luxury Gnosticism”, when we can spend so much time in cyberspace in whatever form we please, it is seductive to believe that choosing our sex in the real world is as easy as toggling a switch and changing our name.

Gender ideology might not be a religion in the traditional sense but it is certainly a belief system. Gender identity — its principal dogma — is unprovable and unfalsifiable, yet we are expected to believe in it or keep quiet. It has its catechisms — Transwomen are women, transmen are men and non-binary people are valid — and its priestly class. They would be transgender people like me, supposedly with esoteric knowledge about what it means to be trans.

The reality — and I chose that word deliberately — is rather different, of course. Nobody, not even transgender people, can discern what it feels like to be someone else. All we have is our own experience. Are transwomen women, or are we men? Not only that, but men with a psychological disorder that drives us to want to become women? In a battle of ideas divorced from objective reality it is one person’s word against another.

That benefits nobody, not least transgender people who have been plunged into possibly the most toxic and divisive debate in politics. Campaigns that were once important — for example the resourcing of NHS gender services and the protection against less favourable treatment at work — have been overshadowed by pointless squabbles over pronouns.

Words matter, because if we change the words we use we change the way we think. In many contexts, sex has been replaced with gender and — equally troubling to me — transsexual has been replaced with transgender. In both cases, people are separated from their reproductive biology. That doesn’t help anyone live their life in the real world where sex does matter.

Horton’s chosen quote — bodies with vaginas — both extends and focusses the denial of humans as material beings. Not only does he separate people from their entire biology, he directs the attention at just one sex: women. The Lancet used very different language in a Tweet about men’s health last week, “About 10 million men are currently living with a diagnosis of prostate cancer.”

The complaints appear to be piling up at The Lancet, including objections from the medical profession itself. Professor Dave Curtus, a contributor to The Lancet, tweeted: “Just wrote the Lancet to tell them to take me off their list of statistical reviewers and cancel my subscription and never contact me about anything ever again. Absolutely inexcusable language to refer to women and girls.”

The concerns are far more than mere intellectual or academic protests. This type of language makes women yet more vulnerable. The ideologues might convince themselves that womanhood is somehow separate to femaleness but as Professor Selina Todd explained in The Post last week, “Ignoring sex doesn’t make sex-based discrimination and harassment go away, it just prevents you from dealing with it.”

Bev Jackson, founding member of the Gay Liberation Front in 1970 and more recently a co-founder of the LGB Alliance, went further in her analysis, “Dehumanization is the prelude to violence.”

Moreover, as in the MMR debacle over 20 years ago it is children who are being put at risk of harm. They have no special knowledge about their gender identity — nobody does — but promises are being made to them that can never be delivered: that they can somehow choose to be a boy or a girl. The flip side of course is the implied threat that if they choose incorrectly, they may go through the “wrong” puberty and never find satisfaction in life.

Now this quasi-religious belief system is being given legitimacy on the front cover of The Lancet. It took the journal 12 years to retract the misinformation over the MMR vaccine. For the sake of the current generation of young people, Horton needs to rectify this current outrage somewhat more quickly.

Gnosticism may be alluring but it is ultimately futile. We are our bodies. It is high time that politicians, policy makers, and even the editor of The Lancet accepts the truth that Ignatius knew by the turn of the second century.


Debbie Hayton is a teacher and a transgender campaigner.

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Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
3 years ago

Richard Horton is simply one of the numerous class of intellectuals that wish to epater le bourgeois ( shock the conventional middle class) by using language in a way that he hopes will startle. It is an essentially adolescent move where you want to wind up your stuffy parents and grandparents. While it pretends to have some intellectual heft behind it it is merely a trivial emotional spasm and ultimately unworthy of serious analysis despite the excellent and very sensible nature of this article.

Last edited 3 years ago by Jeremy Bray
Sharon Overy
Sharon Overy
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Yes, I immediately thought it was like a little boy shouting, “KNICKERS!” in church.

Tim Knight
Tim Knight
3 years ago
Reply to  Sharon Overy

Except. Shouting “KNICKERS!” in church is precisely the sort of thing small bodies with p~nises do. It is endearing and funny and they should of course be disciplined for it. This fellow however is the editor of a once respected scientific journal and absolutely should know better.

Last edited 3 years ago by Tim Knight
Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Quite right.

Mangle Tangle
Mangle Tangle
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I agree with your point, but letting emotionally and intellectually immature lightweights like Horton get away with things will cause real-world harm; they can’t be ignored until they calm down.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
3 years ago
Reply to  Mangle Tangle

Yes, it is not easy to know how to respond to something which was obviously designed to get a rise out of normal women and men and expand the “celebrity” of Horton rather like the early Kim Kardashian. I compared him to an adolescent in my earlier post but in some senses he can be compared to a flasher wishing to both upset and show his contempt for women. Do you treat his display with equal contempt and pass by without deigning to notice it or make a song and dance about it – which is just what he wants.

It would be good if his front page generated a Twitter storm and a grovelling apology and resignation but that doesn’t usually happen to the Horton’s of the world.

Last edited 3 years ago by Jeremy Bray
Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

A flasher is an individual sad case, society has never lauded flashers! Very different from the high priests of woke ideology.

David Morley
David Morley
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

epater le bourgeois

But he is the bourgeois! Times have changed.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

The guy is editor of The Lancet, a supposedly prestigious and influential ‘scientific’ journal. Much as we might want to dismiss it, woke biology denying ideology is powerful and making inroads everywhere (including my Tfl Pensioner magazine!). So it is a pretty serious state of affairs, as almost anyone currently working in the public sector could tell you.

Hugh Jarse
Hugh Jarse
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

Not just ‘supposedly’, it is a prestigious and influential journal. Which makes this latest nonsense all the more dangerous. And sad. It was to the Lancet that Crick and Watson submitted their seminal paper on the structure of DNA.
Another institution captured.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

I wish people would stop referring to them as intellectuals. Naughty little boys/girls would be far more appropriate.

Hugh Marcus
Hugh Marcus
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

This, of course, isn’t the first foray of the Lancet into disputed territory that’s outside of scientific evidence. Their partnership with the EAT Foundation a few years ago is another prime example.

That report that was widely rubbished by serious scientists for being devoid of any real evidence, but driven instead by an ideology.

David Morley
David Morley
3 years ago

The egregious quote might lead us to think that Horton believes otherwise. Does he really think that “bodies with vaginas” are as peripheral to humanity as, say, cars with a hatchback: mere perambulating devices that transport our metaphysical essence from place to place?

I think it’s more a kind of signalling to let other members of the tribe know you are one of them. This use of “bodies” is very common in low grade say-nothing academic pieces – as in “the violence done against black bodies”. I doubt most of the writers could tell us why they use “bodies” instead of “people” except that other tribal members do it too.
To think that they have consciously and thoughtfully adopted some form of dualism is to give them far too much credit.

Drahcir Nevarc
Drahcir Nevarc
3 years ago
Reply to  David Morley

Incisive comment.

Keith Jefferson
Keith Jefferson
3 years ago
Reply to  David Morley

I think you are correct in suggesting the primary motivation in this case is signalling to other members of the woke tribe. However, there is another motivation that affects the publishers of scientific journals and the various scientific Institutes more generally – they are often financially reliant on Government bodies and third sector organisations for funding, and getting that funding relies on adhering to the woke ideology. You can look up the Lancet’s sponsors for its open access journals online, and it includes UK Govt departments and many well-known health charities and foundations. If you have ever had to prepare a tender for a Govt / third sector client, you will be aware of the various requirements to demonstrate your own organisation’s commitments to all the hot topic diversity / inclusivity / environmental issues – even having to write a mini essay to explain how committed your organisation is. And points are awarded in the tender ‘scoring’ process – it’s no excuse to say that as a scientific organisation you are politically neutral and don’t get involved – you will lose points for that. For organisations depending on Govt funding or Govt contracts, it’s a case of “if you don’t go woke, you go broke”.  The core problem isn’t just the wokery of editors of scientific journals, it’s the wokery that infuses the civil service / Govt departments, the NGOs and the third sector more generally.  We may have a conservative Govt, but the woke are in control.

John Wilkes
John Wilkes
3 years ago
Reply to  David Morley

Agree completely, and without knowing Horton at all, or their biology of choice, I would hazard a guess that they are rarely spotted in public without an equally virtue signalling muzzle covering their face.
Apologies, but had to return to edit my pronouns.
Incidentally, can anyone explain why it isn’t possible to accept that gender (behavioural) is entirely a matter for personal choice, to some extent driven by one’s biology and environment. However, one’s sex (biological) is intrinsic, and even surgery and hormones does not change a persons DNA.
My nephew (who was once my niece, before surgery and hormone therapy, and who now performs the same surgery on others) explains this much better than I can. He is regarded by these morons as transphobic because he believes that ‘transition’ involves a lot more than merely saying that you wish to change sex.
I have absolutely no issue with anyone being whatever they wish to be, but their have to be some hurdles which one must clear to change a person’s sex.

Last edited 3 years ago by John Wilkes
michael stanwick
michael stanwick
3 years ago
Reply to  John Wilkes

There are ‘hurdles’ in place. Changing one’s sex only occurs within the domain of law – that is, by going through the preconditions for a GRC as outlined by the GRA. When those preconditions are met a legal Fiction is created for a GRC to be issued. The Legal Fiction states they have changed sex only in the domain of law – they will be treated only in the domain of law, as something they are not in reality, in other words having not done so in fact.
As Prof Rosa Freedman stated The law clearly sets out in that case that sex is biological, and that transsexualism (what we would now term transgender) is psychological.
This position of the law almost sounds like a gnostic position as Debbie has laid out. What it doesn’t state is the statistical data on the proportion of people whose gender matches their sex observed and recorded at birth.

Ian McKinney
Ian McKinney
3 years ago

Horton is one of the most dangerous people in this country.

The Lancet has so much to answer for. The Wakefield Scandal should have finished it, but the response to Covid and defence of China is in some ways worse.

If there is a wrong tack to take, the lancet will take it. A great shame.

Sue Whorton
Sue Whorton
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian McKinney

The Lancet has a long history. It may yet recover.

Jon Hawksley
Jon Hawksley
3 years ago

Thank you Debbie Hayton for a voice of sanity on trans issues. “Nobody, not even transgender people, can discern what it feels like to be someone else” needs to be properly understood by the medical profession to stop them encouraging children to make choices based on beliefs, that can change, rather than facts, that cannot change.

Gilmour Campbell
Gilmour Campbell
3 years ago
Reply to  Jon Hawksley

Yes, yes, yes!!! I have been so puzzled by the claims of non-women to know that fundamentally they are women, since I myself (XX chromosomes) have no idea at all what being a woman feels like. I know only what it feels like to be me! And another thing – please can we get rid of that ghastly ‘Big Brother’-ish statement “.. such and such a gender was assigned at birth”. I am a midwife, and I can promise you that no-one has ever ‘assigned a gender’ to any infant at birth. What happens is that the infant’s biological sex is inferred from the appearance of the external genitalia (and, sadly, this can in a very few cases prove to have been inaccurate) and announced to the family. How that little personality develops and expresses itself and chooses to live is no business of the birth attendants and we would not wish for that power or responsibility.

Al M
Al M
3 years ago

It wasn’t printed with the objective of achieving factual correctness, that’s what’s wrong.

David McDowell
David McDowell
3 years ago
Reply to  Al M

Indeed but when is it ever where the subject matter is politically contentious.
Reactionary feminism started biological denialism in the 60s, what goes around comes around.

Al M
Al M
3 years ago
Reply to  David McDowell

That’s a reasonable point. What’s interesting now is that mangling the English language under a cloak of scientific respectability is creating common cause between radical feminists from previous generations and people who hold views based on classical liberal or conservative principles.

David McDowell
David McDowell
3 years ago
Reply to  Al M

Indeed. My view is that us classical liberals should stand well back and let the protagonists with most skin in the game fight it out.

Last edited 3 years ago by David McDowell
MJ Reid
MJ Reid
3 years ago
Reply to  David McDowell

Really? Please provide evidence of this “fact”? I have read extensively on so called “reactionary” feminism and have not found any “biological denialism”. Could the reason for this be that I am a woman?

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago
Reply to  David McDowell

The analogy with feminism just doesn’t work, unless you are truly a very deep reactionary opposed to almost all social change since the 19th century. Feminism is broadly about furthering women’s rights in modern societies, such as at work, in property, marriage etc. Some of it is too extreme, the idea of ‘patriarchy’ made sense over a century ago but not now, but there is reason and fairness at its core. Many feminists, probably most, do accept that there are biological differences between men and women. We can argue about how great those sex based differences are, but also acknowledge that there was a lazy assumption that women could not do x, y or z, and should stay at home. In almost all traditional societies women’s work was extremely important to survival.

Arguing simplistically that ‘trans women are women’ goes on the other hand into the realm of biological and scientific nonsense.

Last edited 3 years ago by Andrew Fisher
julia findlater
julia findlater
3 years ago

David McDowell – a body is a thing – dehumanised and reduced. I’m not a body, I’m a women, with a vagina and a cervix, and to reduce my sex class to a thing is at best misogynist at worst deliberately othering. If the latter, we are moving towards a world where women only exist as objects with particular biological functions. Why is it so hard to use my noun? Woman. The Lancet has no problem using yours.

David McDowell
David McDowell
3 years ago

That’s fair enough and I can sympathise with how this is making you feel. We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that some trans people feel victimised for how others view and speak about their body parts.

julia findlater
julia findlater
3 years ago
Reply to  David McDowell

Why does a whole sex class- 51% of the population have to be erased to mollify the feelings of a tiny few. Surely the solution is to say women and trans women?

julia findlater
julia findlater
3 years ago

Correction trans men

David McDowell
David McDowell
3 years ago

That would work for me.

hugh bennett
hugh bennett
3 years ago

Well said ..Good for you
What a Silly-Billy this Horton chap is.
His is a sort of graphic, cheap shot way to get an immediate reaction. But after you have quickly, almost instantly, seen through it you realise it has no substance. The man only wants to tease a reaction and it is just typical condescending tripe that he and his ilk think it is so clever to stoop to..never let them grind you down.

Barry Stokes
Barry Stokes
3 years ago

Mr. Horton is obviously an arsehole with a body.

Heggs Mleggs
Heggs Mleggs
3 years ago

Aside from reducing women to bodies with holes, and making communication about those bodies dangerously opaque, if they’re choosing that take then they need to refer to male bodies in the same way. Which they are not. Ergo: this is sexism.

Douglas McNeish
Douglas McNeish
3 years ago
Reply to  Heggs Mleggs

I suspect if transmen objected loudly to the use of the term “men”in the pages of the Guardian, then we would of course see other tribal members shouting loudly to silence use of that term. Curiously perhaps, they are not.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
3 years ago

Gender ideology is a Trojan horse for men to legitimize male access to female spaces. By deconstructing the concept of womanhood to mere sexual organs, they seek to remove the social inhibitions surrounding male behavior toward women. If ideas like this become written into law, in theory there will be no reason to separate men and women in spaces like bathrooms, changing rooms, sports clubs or prisons. In short when a man physically assaults a woman it will not be viewed as particularly heinous. We already see this happening in wrestling events where a man is permitted to smash a woman up with crowds cheering him on.

Last edited 3 years ago by Julian Farrows
Melanie Mabey
Melanie Mabey
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Strange as society itself becomes feminised it begins to hate women.

William Shaw
William Shaw
2 years ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

The man was not “permitted to smash a woman up” as you put it.
The woman in question wanted to fight a man and did so of her own accord for money. Feminism is about allowing women choice. The choice to dress and make a living however they please.
stop trying to restrict the freedom of others.

Colin Elliott
Colin Elliott
3 years ago

“Why has the science journal waded into the gender ideology debate?”It is because the purpose of the publication has been subverted so as to pursue a political ideology.
We thought that once the National Socialists had been defeated, and communism unilaterally proved that it doesn’t work, we might live in a more peaceful, rational and constructive world, but no, the dream of revolution hasn’t only survived, it’s making steady progress, by infiltrating and dominating opinion-forming media, education and institutions overlooked as being vulnerable and useful.

Last edited 3 years ago by Colin Elliott
AC Harper
AC Harper
3 years ago

Some years ago the New Scientist had a cover headline of “Darwin Was Wrong”. This was clarified somewhat in the actual article but it reinforced my belief that the New Scientist was becoming a shock/horror gossip magazine so I cancelled my subscription.
Perhaps if enough people cancel their subscription to the Lancet that might have an effect – if it doesn’t inspire them to greater excess?

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
3 years ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I too cancelled my NS sub. But after gender adverts began appearing in the centre pages.

Bob Henson
Bob Henson
3 years ago
Reply to  AC Harper

Indeed, I did the same!

Julia H
Julia H
3 years ago

I see my comment from yesterday has been deleted. Did it trigger someone when I pointed out that female does not require the prefix ‘biological’ since there is no such thing as a non-biological female? Male and female are categories of biological sex, and are observed facts, they are not gender identities.

Jorge Espinha
Jorge Espinha
3 years ago

If we lose science is there any hope?

J Bryant
J Bryant
3 years ago
Reply to  Jorge Espinha

If we lose science is there any hope?
No. Which makes me wonder why there is so little discussion anywhere, even in the few publications not dominated by the hard left, of what we can do to slow/stop/reverse this trend? Even Unherd seems to have an editorial policy of not commissioning articles that consider practical measures for pushing back on wokedom.

Andrew Lale
Andrew Lale
3 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Institutions are what carry ideas. We need to either retake our institutions or destroy them and create new ones.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
3 years ago
Reply to  J Bryant

I agree with your point. I was catching up on the news this morning and noted the M25 disruption is still going on and that sparked one of those fleeting insights that tend to disappear as soon as they are formed – in this case I remembered it. I thought immediately of the furore over the Lancet and Davey and Starmer’s political posturings regarding a biological reality.
It seemed to me that the M25 ‘politimoral performance art’ and the ‘politimoral performance art’ of the Lancet, Davey and Starmer involved similar contexts – the basic infrastructures that allow our society to function. Hence the attack on major highways and the attack on common meanings within language.
This need not be intentional but just an outcome of disparate groups going for the most impactful position – the jugular of society.

D Hockley
D Hockley
3 years ago

When the dogma of your politics outweighs the value you put on truth, then the slope down which you slide is slippery indeed.
 
The Lancet stopped being a serious publication some years back and the fool that now edits this once great publication is a true science denier. I guess these rather childish tweets is all he has left to offer, as the Lancet slips further and further into irrelevance.

Kat Kazak
Kat Kazak
3 years ago

I don’t really undestand how this kind of lingo is inclusive (or meant to be, by the author?), like, if the idea is to make language that would be nice and inclusive for trans persons, I can’t possibly see this going down well at a doctor’s appointment
-doctor, I think, I was assigned the wrong gender at birth
-ah, I see, Jeremy, so you identify as a body with a vagina, huh
like, what

Last edited 3 years ago by Kat Kazak
S DM
S DM
3 years ago

This is objectification at its worse. Imagine if an inebriated man in a bar referred to a comely woman as the “body with breasts” at the end of the bar. Women, be they born female or be they transsexual, are more than a list of body parts.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
3 years ago

… pointless squabbles over pronouns. Words matter, because if we change the words we use we change the way we think.
The squabbles aren’t pointless because words do matter and Debbie’s observation regarding language illustrates the mechanism by which that Gnostic belief is forced upon us.
That mechanism derives from postmodernism and its analysis of the way we speak about things, that the social justice left have taken and applied to identity politics. Hence applied postmodernism. Thus, if the way we speak about things is controlled – through pursuasion, to convincing to compelling to forcing – then everyone will speak the right mantras and doctrines and everyone will therefore think the right way and not the wrong way.
And so an ideal state will materialise – the liberation from oppression for transgender people, liberation from the persecution and suffering by the confirmation of their privilege wishes – the Gnostic belief – because everyone will be thinking the right way because the way we speak about things will be constructed the right way.
So for the applied postmodernists – perhaps Horton for example? – it has nothing to do with material reality because of the notion that everything is socially constructed (it goes deeper than that of course).[see sovereign nations podcast ‘Seeds of Collectivism’]

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Barry Stokes
Barry Stokes
3 years ago

Mr. Horton is obviously an rsole with a body.
Why was my previous comment censored?

Fennie Strange
Fennie Strange
3 years ago

How do you know that I complain loudly and seek censorship, David McDowell?

David McDowell
David McDowell
3 years ago
Reply to  Fennie Strange

Just a guess

Fennie Strange
Fennie Strange
3 years ago
Reply to  David McDowell

Hmm. The context is a statement, not a guess.

Last edited 3 years ago by Fennie Strange
Jonathan Weil
Jonathan Weil
3 years ago

Don’t you mean, “the same people who complain loudest when others seek censorship that they dislike”?

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
3 years ago

Are you new to the comments section?

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago

Nothing if you are happy to be referred to as a body with a p***s

Sheila Dowling
Sheila Dowling
3 years ago

“Could of ” should be could have.

robboschester
robboschester
3 years ago
Reply to  Sheila Dowling

I disagree with everything he has said, but in this case he missed a comma.

Melanie Mabey
Melanie Mabey
3 years ago

Surley men should be bodies with prostates & epididymis in his lexicon.

Gary Taylor
Gary Taylor
3 years ago

The Gnosticism idea is fairly interesting, but the rise of the ‘bodies’ language recently has a more prosaic origin – Michael Foucault and Postmodernism.

Of course Foucault had his own reasons for preferring such a de-humanising word…

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Gary Taylor

Yes. More precisely, certain ideas were taken from PM by the critical theorists at the end of the last century and distorted not what we can call Applied PM.[see Cynical Theories by Lindsay and Pluckrose]

Catriona Flear
Catriona Flear
3 years ago

One of the down sides of the internet! There are too many people (either unintelligent, nasty or attention seeking) spouting off rubbish to lots of easily influenced people who believe anything and spread it to others as the truth. They need to be either ignored or others need to challenge.

Last edited 3 years ago by Catriona Flear
chasfgeor
chasfgeor
3 years ago

I’d expect little better from “th Lancet”, Far better to read the BMJ

Penelope Lane
Penelope Lane
3 years ago

You don’t need to trash Gnosticism to make your point.
Dr Rudolf Steiner once observed that the only surviving records we have of Gnosticism were written by their enemies. Would you believe accounts of a person written only by their enemies?
You are making a physical-world point, and need to consider it within that framework.
If you want to wander into the world of metaphysics, then please learn something about the subject first.
In fact, the claims you cite against the Gnostics are entirely without substance. They are untrue. Gnostics did not reject the physical body in favour of spirit. By basing your argument on such biased sources, you undercut the otherwise worthwhile points you wish to bring forward.

Penelope Lane
Penelope Lane
3 years ago

Is the author of this article a Catholic?
Whether consciously as a Catholic, unconsciously as an ex-Catholic, or mistakenly presuming to come from a secular-based “knowledge” about the historical Gnostics, this article does itself a disservice by uncritically quoting Catholic dogma in supposed support of its case.
These sex and gender issues have precisely nothing to do with genuine spirituality, gnostic or otherwise. They concern the relation between the external physical body and the inner etheric or life body, which directs formation of the physical. (The etheric body is also known as the vital, or formative body. In the east, the terms prana or chi have similar meaning, referring to the life forces.)
The key piece of missing knowledge here is that the two sexes have an inverse relationship to each other, insofar as in the man, the physical body is positive/masculine, the inner life body negative/feminine, whereas in the woman the physical body is negative/feminine, the inner life body is positive/masculine. So traditionally, the man’s soul is regarded as feminine—note all the references in literature to the “divine feminine”. Conversely, woman’s soul is masculine—but women weren’t allowed to talk about that.
The entire sex/gender debate can be understood from this knowledge base. The human being is constantly evolving. This includes physical sex and etheric gender. We are in a state of transition. For this reason, it is a good thing that those who find themselves numerically in the minority attain to the courage to bring their experiences forward into the public sphere, so others might come to know about the real broad parameters of current human sexual and gender experience. But balancing this, it is not desirable that anyone should set themselves up as the final word on this subject, since there is no final word, only a constant state of becoming. Charity, tolerance and ethical open-mindedness are, as always, the guidelines here.

William Shaw
William Shaw
2 years ago

I’m not sure I agree. They may have an underlying nefarious motive but they are essentially avoiding confusion in the era of trans-people.
If the Lancet had referred to “women” it would be accused by some of including trans-women in a medical group for which they are essentially irrelevant.
Similarly, saying that “men” should get a prostrate exam would be meaningless for trans-men. I assume they would refer to bodies, or people if you prefer, with prostates.

Last edited 2 years ago by William Shaw