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Inside the race to create a vaccine passport With lockdowns set to be lifted, start-ups are already competing for Government approval

Who will emerge triumphant? (Photo by Marco Mantovani/Getty Images)

Who will emerge triumphant? (Photo by Marco Mantovani/Getty Images)


March 1, 2021   7 mins

It has been exactly a week since Boris Johnson unveiled his “roadmap” out of lockdown and already Britons are booking holidays and reserving tables at their favourite restaurants. The vaccine rollout is proving a huge success, and there is a growing sense that if you’ve had your jab, the world will soon be your oyster.

The natural extension of all of this euphoria has become the need to prove that you’ve been immunised. And so the concept of the “vaccine passport” has been born; a digital document or smart phone app, a magic ticket that will allow you to hop on a plane, go to the theatre or pop to the pub.

Only last week, after facing pressure from countries reliant on summer tourism – including Greece, Italy and Spain — European leaders confirmed their intention to create an EU-wide vaccine certification scheme that would record people who had received approved jabs. “Everyone agreed that we need a digital vaccination certificate,” Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, said after a virtual summit. “This will make travelling within the EU possible and could pave the way for further travel from third countries into the EU.”

It’s hardly surprising, then, that an array of British start-up companies is now jostling to produce a bewildering collection of “travel passes”, “immunity certificates” and “health passports”. But what, exactly, are they? And how will they work?

First, it is important to remember that proof-of-vaccination documents are nothing new. Seasoned travellers have long been required to have certain inoculations before being granted access to some countries. These have, however, never existed in the context of a pandemic; so, in the past, if you had not had a jab against yellow fever, then you would have been barred from only a handful of countries — if you haven’t had a Covid vaccination, the effect on your travel plans could be much more profound.

The vaccination passports currently being mooted are broadly divided into two types: those intended for international travel and those you might be required to show if you wanted to access an office or entertainment venue — though the best solution (if, indeed, you regard such passports as a “solution” at all) would be for a vaccine passport to be recognised both by national border officials and pub bouncers.

Whatever their purpose, all these documents and passports do have one thing in common: they provide verification of a person’s identity — usually through biometrics or facial recognition — as well as up-to-date access to medical records showing their vaccinations, boosters and so on. Some also record whether a person is positive for antibodies, indicating that they have already had Covid-19.

In the UK, it’s worth noting that this path was not always inevitable. In fact, a succession of ministers initially said vaccine passports were not being considered by the government. But, with the prospect of lockdown being lifted now on the horizon, they have rowed back in the past couple of weeks. Indeed, in spite of the government’s initial reticence, almost half a million pounds in grants had already been awarded to eight companies working on variations of vaccine passports before Johnson’s “roadmap” was announced.

Among them is Logifect, a “global digital health solutions provider” which has received £37,000 to help develop a smartphone app to confirm immunity. Before the pandemic, Logifect was already involved in what it described as “the next generation of digital health”, which would enable individuals to access their medical records, receive healthcare advice and manage medical devices from their smartphones.

Its immunity passport, says Commercial Director Sean Power, would be a spin-off of that. First you would download its app to your smartphone. Using your camera within the app, you would be asked for a scan of your passport or driving licence, and then to have your picture taken for comparison and verification. Then, when you needed to demonstrate that your vaccines were up to date, you would open the app and give permission for your vaccine record to be accessed and for a QR code to be produced. This could then be read by the checker’s smart device, which would display a message with your photo confirming your vaccine status.

“Your picture links you to that record — your name doesn’t even appear,” says Power. “The communication is fully encrypted at both ends for complete security and then everything is deleted in seconds.

“We see this as a way of making a positive contribution to the community, with our costs being covered by a small fee — probably pennies — to the venue or authority that requests the information. It would cost the user nothing.”

Meanwhile, iProov, a biometrics ID company that lists the US Department of Homeland Security and the UK Home Office as clients, and cybersecurity firm Mvine, which has already worked on projects with the Cabinet Office and NHS, have been given a joint £75,000 grant to develop an app that would perform a similar task to Logifect’s.

iProov’s founder and CEO Andrew Bud tells me their system involves the creation of a certificate to demonstrate that you have been vaccinated. They have developed a number of options, some of which will need the involvement of the Department of Health.

Currently, vaccination records are held by the National Immunisation Management System, which is run by Public Health England, Scotland and Wales independently of the NHS, and within GP surgery patient records. The iProov/Mvine system proposes storing these vaccination records using cloud technology, so they are neither held on your phone nor within existing NHS record systems.

“One of the defining features of the Mvine/iProov system is that it is designed for privacy,” says Bud. “It doesn’t require a name or address or date of birth or National Insurance number or any other irrelevant data. Our system is designed to associate the existence of a valid vaccine certificate with a face.”

Other companies that have received grants include: EAS Technologies (£137,877), which is focusing on vaccine verification for sporting events; the Hub Company (£49,448), which features PayPal and IBM among its clients; Enduring Net (£49,678), which says it usually focuses on technology “in humanitarian work”; and Verifiable Credentials (£89,000), which is planning to create “Covid-19 certificates” that cannot be forged.

But they are not only runners in this race. In fact, the UK Government is undertaking a three-month review of “vaccine passport” technology and may even consider repurposing the pre-existing NHS app — separate to its track and trace app — which gives people access to their medical records.

However, according to Phil Booth, co-ordinator of medConfidential, a campaign group promoting best practice in safeguarding the confidentiality of medical records, this would likely be unpopular among NHS staff.

“It would essentially turn the NHS into a clearing house for information requested by the private sector,” he says. “This would find great resistance among those responsible for NHS Login [the online portal that patients can use to access a host of services and see their GP medical records]. Being forced to be a certification authority in the midst of all their other pandemic work would be a massive drain on resources and, frankly, a distraction.”

Moreover, Booth says, it is unclear what the purpose of all this technology would be: “It would be impossible for the government to partner up with private companies to produce vaccine passports until everybody had had the offer of a vaccine — otherwise requiring a passport to get through everyday life would be discriminatory.

“But the vaccine take up is so great — about 90 per cent in the higher age groups — that by the time everybody has been offered one, we will probably have reached herd immunity. So, what’s the point of having a passport that will get you into a pub in those circumstances?”

Still, that hasn’t deterred countries across the world from investing in this technology. Israel was one of the first, followed by Greece, Malta, Portugal, Israel, Estonia, Sweden and Norway. None of these countries has said that foreign internationals without proof of vaccination would be refused entry, but instead would be subject to other — more laborious and time-consuming — testing or quarantine regimes.

Domestically, Israel is the only country to have vaccinated enough people to have a system that is already functioning. About half of its 9.3 million citizens have received the two jabs required to qualify for a “green pass” that they can display using a Health Ministry app on their phones — people with such passes are already being granted access to restaurants, shops and theatres.

Airlines, too, are getting in on the act, courtesy of the pre-existing International Air Transport Association (IATA) Travel Pass app. This provides information to travellers on the Covid requirements of the country they are travelling to, tells them where they can get tested if required, enables labs to send results directly to passengers, and, crucially, provides for the creation of a digital vaccination record once governments make them available.

Among those already trialling aspects of it are Singapore Airlines, Etihad, RwandAir, Emirates, Qatar Airways, and Air New Zealand. Moreover, on top of all these initiatives is a whole host of private sector travel and vaccination record schemes, among them IBM’s Digital Health Pass, Daon’s Verifly (currently being trialled by BA and American Airlines) and Microsoft’s Vaccination Credential Initiative.

But with the creation of so many disparate apps and vaccination confirmation systems, surely we will need some kind of international co-ordination for them to be practicable. And there is currently only one body that has an internationally-recognised proof-of-vaccination scheme — the World Health Organisation’s Yellow Card. Indeed, it increasingly seems that the WHO will be called upon to provide a solution to all this apparent chaos.

Already it has teamed up with Estonia — arguably the country with the world’s most efficient joined-up governmental IT architecture — to come up with a system that would enable national “vaccine passport” solutions to work in an international setting.

At the forefront of this partnership is Marten Kaevats, National Digital Adviser to the Estonian government and a member of the WHO’s Digital Health Technical Advisory Group. He says no new technology would be needed for an international system to work. Instead, building up trust among nations, so that they can rely on the information provided by others, would be paramount.

“We currently see most of the different governments deploying various sorts of their own technologies,” he tells me. “In order for these technologies to be able to co-operate with each other, we need to agree upon common global standards and principles.”

The WHO has set up a Smart Vaccination Certificate Working Group in order to achieve this. But, says Kaveats, “the WHO doesn’t currently have a mandate to become the global anchor of trust for cross-border health data services. It could be given that at the end of May when the World Health Assembly [the decision-making body of the WHO] next convenes.”

With the threat of other Coronavirus variants — or entirely new viruses and pandemics — continuing to loom over us, it certainly seems only a matter before an international solution such as the WHO’s is devised. In the meantime, the race for a vaccine may be over. But the race to create vaccine passports has only just begun.

 


Steve Boggan is an investigative journalist and former Chief Reporter at The Independent. He is also the author of Follow the Money and Gold Fever.

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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

The intrusions on people’s autonomy that are being imposed on the back of this virus are appalling…
Testing and quarantining of healthy people, surveillance, masking/muzzling, vaccination being pressed upon everyone for this virus which isn’t a threat to most people, and now vaccine passports which are an indicator that vaccination will be compulsory to participate in society.
These intrusions, based upon what is looking more and more like a very questionable ’emergency’, are unprecedented, with no public consultation, no accountability.
Liberal democracy is being destroyed, it’s shocking what ‘our’ governments are doing to us…apparently they’re now working on behalf of the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset.
Prince Charles is involved with the World Economic Forum – with him being heir to the throne, including the Commonwealth, what does this mean constitutionally?
Also, Prince Charles, Prince William and the Queen are actively promoting coronavirus vaccination…do they have any conflicts of interest to declare? Does the Royal Family have a duty to be transparent about their investments, given their privileged position and the connections it provides?

Thomas Lundberg
Thomas Lundberg
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

This whole situation is dystopian and will get a lot worse if people don’t wake up and start fighting back now. I never thought I would see something like this in my lifetime. The erosion of support for liberal democracy (especially the ‘liberal’ part) was showing up in some of the survey research on this topic in recent years, but I’m surprised at the extent of the current acceptance of (and support for) authoritarian policies in long-established democracies. Moral superiority in the West should be questioned as these countries increasingly follow the Chinese Communist example.
I’m not sure about the World Economic Forum and others who are credited with pulling the strings, however. Correlation is not causation. I see very little in the way of planning; long-held pandemic plans were abandoned and knee-jerk reactions have been the rule in most countries. While some (like Big Pharma) are clearly taking advantage of the opportunities arising from this mess, I don’t think these businesses or groups have acted in a concerted way to bring this situation about. Politicians, in my experience, are not all that bright and often lack planning and organisational skills, though they do know how to manipulate the public. Many of the groups and interests who are blamed for causing this situation are hyper-globalist, but the outcomes we are seeing are highly destructive to globalism. I also expect a major populist backlash in the near future in many countries, which will reduce globalism even further.
Ultimately, it was a hysterical public that brought us into this disaster, with politicians, not wanting to be blamed for killing granny, following the herd. It will be the people who lead us out of this and in order to do that, they need to figure out what has actually happened and then stand up against this emerging dystopia. There are signs that this is starting to happen in the UK and elsewhere, with lockdown fatigue setting in, people going about their business more and more, and many wondering why the ‘magic vaccines’ are not providing freedom, so I’m trying to be optimistic.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Hmmm… I’m not so sure about it not being planned Thomas… I think this virus has been used to implement plans that have been in the pipeline for some time…
I’m in Australia and this move towards coercive vaccination has been going on for years, with the No Jab, No Pay law imposed in 2016 to coerce parents to have their children vaccinated.
Now of course many people are supportive of children’s vaccination…the problem is, there are so many vaccinations and revaccinations now, and also many conflicts of interest in vaccination policy. This has been occurring with little in the way of critical analysis, it appears we don’t have an effective ‘fourth estate’ to shine a light in this dark corner.
In Australia, the Murdoch media/aka News Corp Australia, campaigned for coercive vaccination with their No Jab, No Play media campaign throughout 2013-2015. What wasn’t disclosed during this media campaign was that News Corp Australia is a corporate partner of the Murdoch Children’s Research Institute which is involved in vaccine research, including now coronavirus vaccine research. This is a huge conflict of interest.
It appears the children’s No Jab, No Pay/No Play framework might be used to impose coercive coronavirus vaccination on Australians.
For more background see my recent email to Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison: No Jab, No Pay/No Play – coercive coronavirus vaccination in Australia – PM Scott Morrison and the Murdoch Media

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

2015 also saw the Biosecurity Act in Australia, which includes the facility to imprison refusers of vaccination for five years, and/or a $66,600 fine.
See my BMJ rapid response: Five years imprisonment and/or a $66,600 fine for refusing coronavirus vaccination?
So as you can see Thomas, Australia seems to have been setting the framework in place for some time…

Thomas Lundberg
Thomas Lundberg
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

I think Australia is much farther down this dark path than other countries, unfortunately. Sorry to hear this and I hope Australians wake up.

Elizabeth W
Elizabeth W
3 years ago

I’m not so sure Australia is farther down this dark path, than other countries. If even one country is allowed to do this, others will quickly follow. 🙁

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Do you seriously think that all Governemtns of the world sat down together and agreed to plan a pandemic, and a charade of China playing the role of the originators, and then agree to total secrecy of all current and past members of all Governments and all future members .

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Do you seriously think that social distancing, furlough, PCR testing, QR codes, mask mandates, fast-tracked vaccines, and vaccine passports just popped up out of nowhere?
As indicated, including with developments in Australia, it seems this has been planned for a while, and they’ve used this opportunistic virus, of still blurry origins, as the Trojan horse to implement these controls…in my opinion.
Although they’re probably surprised how easily they’ve been able to get away it: Neil Ferguson interview: China changed what was possible.

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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

This bizarre speech by Boris Johnson at the UN Assembly in 2019 is interesting to review now in light of the response to the coronavirus.

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Dennis Boylon

Yes Dennis, it’s mind-boggling what the US government/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) has been up to, funding manipulation of viruses in the lab, see for example:
EXCLUSIVE: Controversial experiments that could make bird flu more risky poised to resume. Science, 8 Feb 2019

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Tom Hollett
Tom Hollett
3 years ago

With all due respect, that’s called a straw man, built upon the assumption that government officials are the organ-grinders rather than the monkeys. When billionaires and industry lobbyists mingle with political leaders in places like Davos, who do you think asks who for money?

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Some intriguing information in this recent video Thomas…
Breaking news!!! 27/02/2021/
WHO insiders blow the whistle total immunity of BIll Gates through GAVI – world vaccine alliance.
Lawyer Dr. Reiner Fuellmich and lawyer Dr. Justus P. Hoffmann interviewing Dr. Astrid Stuckelberger and Dr.Silvia Behrendt on total immunity of Bill Gates through GAVI – world vaccine alliance/
A cut from Corona investigative committee Nr. 41

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

And exactly who and what is Coronavirus investigative committee?

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago

It is the group Dr Reiner Fuellmich put together to challenge and bring lawsuits against the coronavirus fascism. Not too hard to find.

Glyn Reed
Glyn Reed
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

That is incredible information and well evidenced regarding Gates. I wonder why the general media do not pick up on this?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

what these groups and interests may lack in planning skill, they make up for with cunning and the ability to take advantage of a situation that can be framed as a crisis.

Elizabeth W
Elizabeth W
3 years ago

I believe this has all been ‘planned’, starting with the World Economic Forum, Bill Gates, and most leaders of our countries. I think mass vaccination attached to some digital system has always been their end game. The more I read and listen to those censored from mainstream media, the more I see it. This must be stopped before we are all living in a bubble, one they put us into.

Hilary Wallace
Hilary Wallace
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Yes I agree. I have been involved in researching health for my own purposes and somewhat professionally for many years and I could see what was coming. I have long distrusted the power that people like Bill Gates and BigPharma hold and I believe these people have no empathy for others at all. You only have to look and see the numbers of institutions that receive funding along with Bill Gates’s increasing ownership of American agricultural land to know that all is not right. I focus on him because more seems seems to be openly available but I don’t believe he is the only one nor that there aren’t others pulling his strings.

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago

I’m not sure about the World Economic Forum and others who are credited with pulling the strings, however. Correlation is not causation. I see very little in the way of planning
They literally war gamed it all out.
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

Paul Wright
Paul Wright
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Seems a bit odd to complain about masks when you’re wearing your tinfoil hat all the time.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Wright

You think these gratuitous insults add to the conversation?

Chris Waghorn
Chris Waghorn
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

You know you are winning the argument when they are reduced to personal insults.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris Waghorn

Or they are just laughing?

Hilary Wallace
Hilary Wallace
3 years ago

Give it a couple of years and I wonder who’ll be laughing then? Those of us who knew what was coming and have mentally prepared ourselves or the rest who somehow think that life with continual vaccinations, health passports and restrictions on their freedoms will just be hunky dory! Time will tell but I would bet that many might wish they’d been a bit more critical before.

Elizabeth W
Elizabeth W
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

I have seen other posts from Paul and they all seem to go this way of insult when he reads something he doesn’t like.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Doesn’t like? Or thinks is just plain conspiracy nonsense

Helen Hughes
Helen Hughes
3 years ago

Same difference, but the point is he appears unwilling to show curiosity and engage in good faith in the discussion, perhaps being open to learning something, prefering instead to assume he is right and the other is wrong and that’s an end of it. He is entitled, as we all our, to his opinion, but sneering at others is actually pretty childish and so easy to do. So how about growing up a little and listening for the signal amongst what he interprets as noise? If people have genuine worries and are searching to understand what is going on, putting them down is just going to make it much worse. It will only push people further down rabbit holes looking for what makes sense to them. And don’t forget we are all living within narratives that help us make sense of the world. Whether it is a mainstream narrative, which makes it easier for you, or not. Being in the majority in no way implies you therefore have a monopoly on the truth.

My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Just give him the 3rd dose and see what happens to him on winter. Horrible person he is

Kelly Mitchell
Kelly Mitchell
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Wright

+1.
Excellent ad hominem example. This is how it’s done, people. No facts, no evidence, no rebuttal. Just call someone who posts a link to a World Health Organization video a conspiracy theorist. Which, by extension, means the WHO is also peddling conspiracy theories.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Kelly Mitchell

It’s not a WHO video! This is how conspiracy theories grow!

My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago

Corruption = conspiracy- Wake up before it’s too late for you

Malcolm Ripley
Malcolm Ripley
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Wright

“Tin foil hat” typical response for someone whose head is in the sand. You do realise that Klaus Scwab of the WEF published book called Covid 19 and The Great Reset? Here’s a link to Amazon where you can buy a copy:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123
You do know that the WEF has videos about the Great Reset? Here’s alink :
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Wright

Too right. The idea that al governments have agreed in secret to organise a pandemic is just laughable

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago

Nobody said that. Governments did agree to follow WHO guidelines during a declared pandemic. Whether it was really a pandemic or not. That doesn’t mean the actions taken are correct and just and don’t deserve pushback.

Simon Jenkins
Simon Jenkins
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Wright

Ahh the old “tinfoil hat” insult — incredibly boring and just plain lazy now

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Every damm politician is promoting the vaccines, every town council, every local councillor, every mayor. I suppose you demand to know if everyone promoting the vaccines have a conflict of interest.

exactly how are Governments working on ‘behalf’ of the WEF.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

“I suppose you demand to know if everyone promoting the vaccines have a conflict of interest.”
Yes

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Totally unrealistic and bizarre. Presumably you will want to know if their company or private pensions schemes have investments in vaccine manufacturers ( who also manufacture a lot of other medicines and so any one who has any investment in any pharmaceutical company , in your mind, has a conflict of interest ) .

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Ray Warren
Ray Warren
3 years ago

The propaganda has been very powerful regarding vaccines. They are the only way left for government to claim any victory. They have really screwed up this country and haven’t fared any better than Sweden or Florida. There was plenty of evidence the NPI’s weren’t working but they ploughed along regardless. So I am left to conclude it’s either conspiracy or c**k up on a scale never seen before. The cupboard is now so bare I don’t think they can afford a great reset.

Dougie Undersub
Dougie Undersub
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

“… quarantining of healthy people”.
Er, the concept of quarantine has always involved restricting the movement of (apparently) healthy people. You don’t quarantine obviously unhealthy people, you treat them.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

I’m questioning quarantining healthy people for this virus, SARS-CoV-2.
Are we going to go on like this forever?
Or until everyone is made to submit to the coronavirus vaccine products – and then what?

Hilary Wallace
Hilary Wallace
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

I agree with your comments. One thing that surprises me about Prince Charles and the Queen is that they, the former in particular, has always promoted natural health, homeopathy, organic food etc. I’m really not sure how this sudden devotion to vaccinations fits in with their previous beliefs. I’m not saying that one precludes the other but in the case of this virus for which we know treatments exist (even although knowledge about them has been suppressed) and that we now know is no more deadly than a bad flu, I find their sudden dedication to allopathic vaccines a little strange!

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Hilary Wallace

Yes, Prince Charles is patron of the Faculty of Homeopathy.
According to the BBC, the Queen (94) and Prince Philip (99) had Covid-19 vaccines on 9 January 2021. What do you think about people of their age being vaccinated?
The BBC reports Prince Philip went into hospital on 16 February 2021. Even if this is for pre-existing conditions, this hospital admission should still be reported as an adverse event after vaccination, particularly after a fast-tracked experimental vaccination. I wonder if it has been reported?

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

‘In fact, a succession of ministers initially said vaccine passports were not being considered by the government.’
Well anybody who believed those ministers was indescribably stupid. One should never believe anything that any politician says That aside, these passport are an absolute evil.

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Bill Gates said we were going to have to have them. Even if the media “fact checkers” says he didn’t say that. Gotta control the message. ID2020 a bit behind schedule!

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

“Passports” is a really bad piece of terminology to use, as it implies a binary capability of being able to go to a particular country.
In reality “Records” mean something far less sinister, but which may still limit who is prepared to fly you there.

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My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton
My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Boris quoted ‘Its not what we doin this country’ lie after lie after lie.

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago

It’s a recipe for creating a 2nd class citizenship and nobody seems to care, when the vaccine rollout has completed then those left unvaccinated will be the underclass, the whole thing is immoral.

Dennis Boylon
Dennis Boylon
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

We are moving back into a feudal society. The intent is to control and ration resources to the serfs. The technocrats will be generous with the meal worms though. Bill Gates promises they have plenty of ways to make them more palatable. To be clear this has nothing to do with the vaccine. The vaccine is just to destroy the small business economy and install the serf tracking system. You will be better off being untrackable(throw out your cell phone). You’ll struggle to find resources but be outside their control. Good luck!

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My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Re: “the need to prove that you’ve been immunised”.
A ‘vaccine’ passport won’t provide proof of ‘immunisation’.
There’s a difference between ‘vaccination’ and ‘immunisation’, and people need to start thinking about this and the implications…

Kathy Prendergast
Kathy Prendergast
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

OK, so what’s the difference? Because I’ve always understood that getting vaccinated meant you could neither get sick from a certain virus nor pass it on to others.
I’m naturally immune to chicken pox, having had it as a child, which means I can be around someone with the illness with no risk of getting infected by them and passing the virus on to a non-immune person.
If this so-called COVID “vaccine” doesn’t work in the same way, then they can kiss my a**.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Vaccination is when you get the injection, immunisation is when you mount an immune response following vaccination.
The basic idea is you’re vaccinated, and then immune.
But it’s complicated… What is immunity?
Immunisation after vaccination is seldom verified.

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

A point, but a pedantic point. In the main for >99% of people immunisation follows vaccination. The level etc can be determined by research in the future, but from Israel’s numbers vaccination (with Pfizer) protects >98% of people with 2 vaccinations

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

Do you think David?
I don’t claim to be an ‘expert in vaccination and immunisation’…who is?
But I’m intrigued by all the repeat vaccinations on vaccination schedules. See for example the NHS schedule.
Click on the hyperlinks in the schedule for more info on the multi-component shots.
Interesting that children get five doses of polio vaccine throughout childhood. And four doses of pertussis/whooping cough vaccine. Not to mention pregnant women are pressed to have pertussis containing vaccines.
In Australia children get six doses of pertussis vaccine throughout childhood.
That’s some dodgy ‘immunity’ being provided by those vaccines.
Have a close look at the schedule David – have you had all these vaccinations and revaccinations?
And now the entire world population is being set up for annual, or possibly even more frequent, coronavirus vaccination throughout life…for a virus that isn’t a threat to most people…
How on earth is this happening?!?!?! It’s mind-boggling…
Time for some retrospective analysis of this debacle.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

What’s your point? Those vaccinations have saved a lot of children from Polio etc ( my aunt missed out on that and suffered from the effects of Polio for her life).

many vaccinations require boosters, talking of which, doing a fair amount of work involving digging etc, I will soon need a Tetanus booster

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
3 years ago

All vaccines are not equal. Different types of viruses, different risks iro both the diseases and the vaccines themselves.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

My point is that children are having a lot of vaccine products and revaccinations.
My point is that vaccination policy is steeped in conflicts of interest, and this needs to be exposed and investigated.

Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Plenty of information available online to allow you to educate yourself regarding vaccines and immunity.
The reason repeated doses of polio and pertussis vaccines are given is because infant’s immune systems are not firing on all 6 cylinders until they are at least 2 years old. This applies to both their humoral and cellular immune responses.
The mothers are offered pertussis vaccination because their antibodies will then cross the placental barrier and protect the infant in the first 3 months, when their child is most vulnerable.

As for Sars Cov 2 you are correct – most people don’t get sick with it but when you do, you are very sick – consuming health care resources at a rapacious rate. This is an endothelial, thrombotic, multi organ disease, not just a respiratory infection.

My Father was a general medical practitioner for 50 years. I can just about remember him being called out in the night to deal with diptheria, whooping cough and polio cases. You wouldn’t want to wish any of these diseases on any child or any family. People forget.

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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Thank you Elaine, I’m investigating some vaccine products.
So are you willing to share how many doses of children’s vaccines you’ve had, i.e. including revaccinations?
How many doses of: diphtheria, hepatitis B, Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b), polio, tetanus, pertussis, rotavirus, pneumococcal (PCV), MenB, Hib/MenC, measles, mumps, rubella, flu vaccine, HPV, MenACWY?

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Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
Elaine Giedrys-Leeper
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

60 – 70 years ago so I don’t remember what I had as a child – whatever the usual regimen was in the 50’s + course of polio vaccinations which we had to acquire via a friend in the USA at the time + TB (done at school) + all the recommended shots required before working in a UK hospital (mandated) including Hep B with a subsequent booster + a whole series before I went travelling with my husband 5 years ago – tetanus, japanese encephalitis, rabies, DTP booster, Hep A, typhoid – all these detailed in our “Travel Vaccination Record” booklets which we carry with us and to which our Covid vaccination details will be added to in due course.

Malcolm Ripley
Malcolm Ripley
3 years ago

The vaccine manufacturers have already stated :

  1. The vaccine does not prevent you from catching Covid.
  2. The vaccine does not prevent you from spreading the disease.
  3. It suppresses the symptoms.

So effective as a therapy for the 0.01% of the population who would have got severe symptoms…..hmmmm….

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

“Everyone agreed that we need a digital vaccination certificate,” Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, said after a virtual summit.
Who is ‘everyone’ and what sort of medical certificate will be required for the next great scare? We’re in a political atmosphere where people insist that even with a vax, people should still wear masks and distance from one another, so I fully anticipate a further moving of the goalposts as “everyone” looks to milk this pandemic for full effect.

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Brian Dorsley
Brian Dorsley
3 years ago

I wonder where people like me fit in, who need to travel a lot but have been advised by my doctor not to take the vaccine due to severe allergic reactions?

Kathy Prendergast
Kathy Prendergast
3 years ago
Reply to  Brian Dorsley

I wonder where people like me, who refuse to even use smartphones, let alone consider giving anyone other than their doctor instant access to all their medical records – fit in.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Exactly. I don’t have a smartphone and I don’t want one. Hopefully it will be possible to have a printed passport, and seems to be the case in Israel.
As for medical records, I don’t think I even have any, not having seen an NHS doctor since the 1970s or a dentist since 1991.

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Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago

No, off course neither you nor Fraser Bailey below will “fit in”, as you charmingly call it.

You will become the new
‘Untermenschen’, and be treated accordingly.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

This might amuse you Kathy, (even if it is on the conflicted Murdoch media): Liars in labcoats…with Fauci and masks, and Francis Collins and gain of function… “Time to say no to the pseudoscience masquerading as seriousness”: https://www.facebook.com/IngrahamRadio/videos/806950049858251/

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Sorry, anyone quoting Ingraham definitely does belong on a private island. This sort of paranoia is sort of sad really. No Trump did not win the election, and no Governments are not nearly organised enough to carry out a “conspiracy” as they have enough trouble even governing competently, as is shown by this current Tory government!

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

I feel as if I have stumbled into a group of conspiracy theorists! It’s all been planned, it’s all to keep us in our place and control,us blah, blah . I don’t know whether to laugh or cry

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

Quoting Laura Ingraham: “Well, for much of the past year, the medical media cartel has been guilty of regular, deliberate exercises in doublethink. And at almost every turn, Anthony Fauci was a primary offender, including his mask double talk…It’s clear…he’s just playing games with everyone. It doesn’t matter if you’ve gotten the vaccine, or if you’ve already had the virus and recovered, if you’re five or fifteen, or fifty years old. Unless Fauci is sidelined, your mask will be your BFF for a very, very long time…”

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Laura Ingraham. A very right wing media person in the USA. Why on Earth should anyone other than Trump loyalists take one tiny bit of notice what she says and thinks . Look into any corner of the more right leaning movement in the States and you can find all sorts of totally empty rants aimed at anyone who isn’t fully aligned with Trump

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Oh yes. Ingraham – the one who promotes Hydroxychloroquine as the wonder drug for preventing Covid. Talk about pseudoscience !!

Elizabeth W
Elizabeth W
3 years ago

There are many doctors that promote hydroxychloroquine within the first 5 days of being sick with this virus and many others promote a low dosage as a way to prevent this virus.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Longs since shown to have no effect I.e it’s total pseudo science

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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Here’s a perspective: COVID-19: A realistic approach to community management. Robert Clancy. Quadrant 17 January 2021.

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
3 years ago

On a private island?

Rainer Schlötterer
Rainer Schlötterer
3 years ago

This all sounds so dystopian to me and I really cannot believe politicians and others are seriously considering this. Have they really thought this through and do they know what they are proposing?
I wonder where the problem is? Those who want to get vaccianted can do so and protect themselves from getting seriously ill. Let all the others who do not want to get vaccinated or consider the risk of getting vaccinated as more dangerous than falling ill from Covid-19 do so at their/our own risk. And then let life go on as always. End of pandemic…

Robert Camplin
Robert Camplin
3 years ago

I would expect such a ‘passport’ would contravene human rights under the Geneva Conventions, particularly because Covid is no threat to the vast majority of people.
If Governments think that most people will go along with this they are deluded.
As is common with fanatical movements, the reaction to Covid makes no sense and neither does the concept of a mandatory participation in a vaccine and genetic experiment.
What is astonishing is how many people are prepared to go along with it. One is reminded of how Communist Russia, 1930’s Germany, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc., came into being and committed the horrors they all did. All had good intentions and when the claim of good intentions is married to power and profit agendas, things never end well.
Millions died in two World Wars fighting for the freedoms many are now tossing away in the name of irrational and immature fear. No doubt it has ever been thus.

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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Robert Camplin

The Covid-19 vaccine products have been rushed out under ’emergency authorisations’ – what is the definition of this emergency? How does it justify the vaccination of the entire global population, setting them up to be revaccinated, potentially every year or even more frequently, for life, at the cost of their own natural immune response to the virus?
I wonder if all the people currently being vaccinated understand they’re part of a massive vaccine trial?
Did they give their informed consent to be part of this vaccine trial?

Anto Coates
Anto Coates
3 years ago

The delicious irony of a vaccine passport? For the average 35 to 55-year-old traveller, you have more chance of being killed in a plane crash than by Covid-19.

“Here is my vax passport. Now may I please inspect the aircraft’s maintenance logs?”

David Blake
David Blake
3 years ago
Reply to  Anto Coates

And is the pilot sober, drug free and actually had sufficient sleep? Planes do fly themselves these days, but in an emergency a skilled crew is the difference between life and death.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Anto Coates

This is the horrible situation people in the UK and around the world are being set up for…to be revaccinated again and again with coronavirus vaccine products which they don’t need.
Most people can deal with the virus themselves, and this may be beneficial to future immunity. But they’re being coerced to trade this for dependence on these still experimental coronavirus vaccine products, i.e. dependence on the vaccine industry, potentially for life.
There is a very big beneficiary here, and that is the vaccine industry and those who invest in it.

My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

And the Health Sinister for the conservative pharma party mentioned yesterday that we only need on jab now… I mean.. how stupid does he think we are.

Harold Aitch
Harold Aitch
3 years ago

With Blair involved this will be a rehash of New Labour’s National Identity Database plan. Medical records, tax records, criminal records plus everything else the government has on you. With eventually your bank details and everything else included in there to. All accessable by any jobsworth with clearance… Remember the anti-terror laws used by councils to snoop in people’s bins? With this “passport” we will be entering a full on surveillance state.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
3 years ago

I have heard that the black market is already busy with vaccine passports.

Simon Jenkins
Simon Jenkins
3 years ago

Yep, and apparently the Israeli app has already been reverse-engineered, so you can generate your own QR code to pretend you’ve had the jabs and are ‘allowed’ to live (sort of) normally again

Cynthia Neville
Cynthia Neville
3 years ago

‘Building up trust with other nations’ to share wonderful new technical insights. Yeah, that’s really worked well both in the past and lately, hasn’t it? Perhaps the CC*P readers among us can explain to me, a Canadian, just what I’m missing in this article…

Richard Lord
Richard Lord
3 years ago

A vaccine ‘passport’ to access anything within the UK borders is unnecessary and a licence for business and scammers to print money. Those vaccinated will have protected themselves and others. Those not vaccinated will still be a risk to themselves and others who aren’t vaccinated. This is called personal responsibility. For international travel, surely a link between passport and vaccination record would be possible and all within the remit of government.

Marcus Scott
Marcus Scott
3 years ago

I suppose anyone coming to this country from anywhere will have to have a vaccine passport issued by their own government. Therefore, the system relies on the capabilities and corruptibility of every country in the world. If everyone has to have the vaccine once a year, which means two jabs the logistical challenges will be, I think, insurmountable.

John Wilkes
John Wilkes
3 years ago

I don’t have a problem showing vaccination records to travel abroad, having done this for much of my travel over the last 40 years or so.
It does , however seem a little extreme to do this to go to a restaurant or theatre for example. Personally, I don’t have a smart phone and have never had any desire to have one. I don’t use social media and whilst I spend a fair amount of time online, have never needed to do this when out of the house. My mum doesn’t have one either and probably is beyond learning to use one, but does enjoy restaurants, theatres and museums. Should both of us be permanently excluded from society, despite both of us having been vaccinated (one for me, both for her).
Of groups done so far, uptake is in excess of 90% which, if replicated population wide, would surely render internal passports unnecessary. It would certainly be very hard to justify.

Robert Camplin
Robert Camplin
3 years ago
Reply to  John Wilkes

I have travelled the world and lived around the world for 30 years and only ever needed to provide evidence of a vaccination and that was for Yellow Fever in one African country, which, within a few years, dropped it as a condition of entry.

Galeti Tavas
Galeti Tavas
3 years ago

Why over over think this simple problem, just turn your Bible to Revelations 13:16 where the beast requires all, great and small, rich and poor, slave and free, to have the mark put on their right hand or forehead, and none may buy or sell unless they carry the mark of the beast, which is 666.

Just tattoo a tiny, Bill Gates 2020 project, quantum dot marker on every one vaccinated, which was his stated plan, look it up if you wish. The dots are micro, invisible, semi-conducting dots which reflect light, and can be read by a phone with the app. I suspect the dots spell out ^^^ in binary, if you are curious.

Paul Wright
Paul Wright
3 years ago
Reply to  Galeti Tavas

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul Wright

LSD far better, and no addiction and little downside.

Kelly Mitchell
Kelly Mitchell
3 years ago

Obviously, vaccination is not ipso facto immunization. Otherwise – we wouldn’t need to get 2 shots, would we?

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
3 years ago
Reply to  Kelly Mitchell

Err-but even with one shot we have quite high immunity (~60-70%)-the second just improves your immunity-not really that difficult is it?

Robert Camplin
Robert Camplin
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

Since the original statements said these vaccines and genetic treatments did not provide immunity, how on earth would anyone know?
And since other experts have said the effects of such genetic manipulation in terms of permanent auto-immune dysfunction, may not be known for many months or years, it may be a reality that the vaccinated are not well enough to travel anywhere. Which would rather destroy the point of it all would it not?

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Something that is very pertinent to this conversation is the influence of Bill Gates on international vaccination policy via the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Gavi Alliance, the World Health Organisation etc.
This recent video includes important information to consider:
WHO insiders blow the whistle total immunity of Bill Gates through GAVI – world vaccine alliance.
Lawyer Dr Reiner Fuellmich and lawyer Dr Justus P Hoffmann interviewing Dr Astrid Stuckelberger and Dr Silvia Behrendt on total immunity of Bill Gates through GAVI – world vaccine alliance
A cut from Corona investigative committee Nr. 41

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

As before, who and what on Earth is Coronavirus investigative committee ? Some random group,of people with a conspiracy to nurture ?

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Glyn Reed

Oh right , a group of lawyers trying to make some money then! The main person behind this is a German lawyer representing various businesses who, I guess want all restrictions ended so they can get back to making money ( and paying their lawyers)

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Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Looks like they’re investigating the WHO…goodness knows an investigation of the Bill Gates dominated WHO is well overdue…

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Michael L
Michael L
3 years ago

On a slightly different note. We have Brazilian, UK, South African, Indian variants, but calling the original variant Chinese is racist. What am I missing?

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My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael L

Good point

Robert Camplin
Robert Camplin
3 years ago

It is difficult to see the point of a vaccine passport when the manufacturers of the vaccines and the genetic treatments have said they do not create immunity but may only reduce severity for those who become sick.
One presumes if someone is sick they will not travel and since the vaccinated offer no immunity to anyone, not even themselves, why demand proof that one has participated in a medical experiment before allowing people to travel?

Athena Jones
Athena Jones
3 years ago

I am astonished that anyone can think being vaccinated should be a requirement for travel, particularly when these vaccines and genetic treatments are so experimental with potentially disastrous outcomes.
And all in the name of a virus which is no threat to most people on earth. It is all so extreme and irrational it is hardly surprising that growing numbers of people are leaning toward extreme conspiracy theories regarding eugenics and population control.
I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories because I find humans stupid, ignorant, greedy, self-serving and arrogant enough to create any kind of mess without the slightest plan. But the general insanity demonstrated by Governments around the world in regard to Covid-19 makes one think.

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago

Freddie Sayers says: “I’ll go along with it. I don’t want to be fighting about lockdowns for a day longer. I’ll take my vaccine and sign my papers.”
Peter Hitchens says: “I’ve had the Covid jab – and all it cost me was my freedom…I have been more or less forced to have an immunisation I would not normally have bothered with.”
Wow… Just think about what those men are saying, this is the England you’re living in now, where people are being coerced to have medical interventions…which they don’t really want…
It seems Sayers and Hitchens aren’t making a free and informed decision about the virus and the vaccine, weighing up the risks and benefits. They’re simply capitulating to pressure to have the Covid-19 vaccination.
Again…wow…this situation is really, really bad…
What next?

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Hart

Re travelling in the time of Covid…here’s the perspective of a recent Canadian traveller to Turkey and Mexico… Chris Sky : Son interview à la sortie de l’aéroport

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
3 years ago

what if you don t have a smartphone?

David Brown
David Brown
3 years ago

What about those people who for medical reasons, such as allergies, are not allowed to be vaccinated?
What about those who, whether vaccinated or not, do not have a smartphone?
I am happy to be vaccinated as soon as I am allowed, I do have a smartphone, and I am happy to have a note added to my actual passport to say that I have been jabbed if it will enable me to travel overseas, but I object to the very idea of having to show an app before I am allowed into a public house.

Robert Camplin
Robert Camplin
3 years ago
Reply to  David Brown

As is common with fanatical movements, the reaction to Covid makes no sense and neither does the concept of a mandatory participation in a vaccine and genetic experiment.
What is astonishing is how many people are prepared to go along with it. One is reminded of how Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany, Mao’s China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia, etc., came into being and committed the horrors they all did. All had good intentions and when the claim of good intentions is married to power and profit agendas, things never end well.
Millions died in two World Wars fighting for the freedoms many are now tossing away in the name of irrational and immature fear. No doubt it has ever been thus.

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My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago
Reply to  David Brown

It’s all verbal booby traps to get us into the program without making it mandatory as in the UK under the Public Health Act not one person on earth cannot make Vaccines mandatory….unless 1.2 million dies of a deadly disease…
Enemies of Freedom

My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago

What about the millions who don’t have a smart phone?

I’ve decided not to travel so imagine if 80 million more so then it fails.

Experimental vaccines are not proven yet and are still in phase 3 until 2023. Not one so called scientist can confirm this so it’s ridiculous to even think of this yet. More threats on our liberties.

My Bark
My Bark
3 years ago

UK gov are trying to slip this for under our noses. Take the survey now. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uk-digital-identity-and-attributes-trust-framework

Maria Bogris
Maria Bogris
3 years ago

I sincerely hate this new world and everyone in favour of it, and I’m tired of pretending otherwise

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago

I’d like the ability to easily prove to people that I have been vaccinated.
If that can be done by showing a QR code generated by the official NHS app, then great.
I volunteer to work with some extremely vulnerable groups, so have sympathy with any requirement to do so.
I can’t see a reason why a doctor’s surgery couldn’t issue a paper version for those without phones …. even though this is more open to forgery issues.

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Johnny Sutherland
Johnny Sutherland
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

Not so great if, like myself, you do not own a smartphone.

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago

Hence my suggestion of a paper version as an alternative

Elizabeth W
Elizabeth W
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

This should not be done for any reason. What next will government and large corporations put on us? Vaccination should always be a personal choice. PERIOD.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Fine, then refuse but you might have problems travelling to other countries.

Elizabeth W
Elizabeth W
3 years ago

That’s the whole point David. There shouldn’t be a problem travelling to other countries. This experimental jab does not prevent the disease, nor the transmission but looks like it may reduce the severity of symptoms. This means that this will be around like influenza so why mandate this jab when the virus will mutate many times over. Why not let healthy people be exposed to this virus and if the vulnerable and/or frightened folk want this jab, then that should suffice. This whole thing has been blown into covid hysteria.

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Good data is now appearing that suggests that the jab significantly reduces the chance of transmission.
Given that, I feel fully entitled to seek out an airline that has chosen to implement a “must have the jab” policy for all its travellers.
They have the right to choose to operate in this way, and I have the right to prefer them.
You should have the right not to have a vaccine, or a vaccination record, and to seek out an airline/destination that chooses not to be concerned ….
The problem in this article is the expression “vaccination passport” which should in reality be called “vaccination record”.
The MSM have chosen this wording just to make it easy to wind people up.

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David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Covid hysteria? Try telling that to the relatives of the 150,000 and counting dead in the UK. The real, hysteria is coming from anti vaxers, conspiracy theorists and those who promote the idea that the pandemic was planned .

if other countries set their own requirements , as they do, then it’s entirely up to them to decide to stop entry of anyone who hasn’t been vaccinated .

Robert Camplin
Robert Camplin
3 years ago

The 150,000 dead in the UK are Covid ‘claimed’ not Covid proven. And with the average age of Covid death 82 and the average of death, 81, it is hardly cutting a swathe.
Why should young people participate in this vaccine/genetic treatment experiment for no good cause? I doubt many of the risk group, very old and very sick, would want them to do so. Has anyone asked them if they want society in general to risk their lives and health to give them a few more months of life and sickness?

Elizabeth Hart
Elizabeth Hart
3 years ago
Reply to  Robert Camplin

We need independent and objective retrospective critical analysis of the ‘cases’ and deaths attributed to Covid-19 from around the world.
These statistics have been used to impose incredible restrictions on people for the last year, and they need to be scrutinised.

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago
Reply to  Elizabeth W

Not really relevant to my point ….
In a free market economy, no airline owes us a seat, no private care home owes us a place.
My point is not about governments having this information, and not about it being compulsory.
It should be entirely up to you whether to have a vaccination, and entirely up to other organisations to decide who they want as customers.

Brian Dorsley
Brian Dorsley
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

…entirely up to other organisations to decide who they want as customers.

I know this is often considered a right-wing talking point, but I’m for companies serving all customers regardless of their color, class, creed or medical history.