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The pro-censorship woke brigade are often characterised as puritanical by their pro-free-speech antagonists. Toby Young, founder of the Free Speech Union, has called cancel culture a “resurgence of Puritanism”. In one passage of their introduction to their fascinating essay collection, Panics and Persecutions, the editors of the digital magazine Quillette, one of whom is also Young, distinguish between a puritanical contemporary Left and their more libertine predecessors. The Left, they claim, “can’t be described as revolutionaries” because their demands are either “meaningless” or “ludicrous” or “represent further extrapolations of progressive politics”. By contrast, their “hippie grandparents” were genuinely committed to the ethos of liberty:
“Unlike the progressive counterculture of the 1960s, which encouraged sexual openness, flamboyant individualism, and euphoric cultural mixing, today’s social justice crusades are built around joyless rites of self-interrogation, announced publicly but conducted inwardly.”
As much as anything else, many of today’s debates about identity and free speech deal with aesthetics. By presenting these activists as puritan zealots, the Quillette editors can invoke the contrasting glamour of the sixties counterculture. Today’s young activists are uncool.
In his new book, Free Speech and Why it Matters, the comedian Andrew Doyle also invokes past progressives that were more sympathetic to free speech so he can criticise the contemporary Left. Referring to civil rights, gay rights, and women’s rights campaigners, he writes: “without freedom of speech theirs was a lost cause”.
Doyle also charges his defence of free speech with an optimistic tone. Freedom of speech is important because it allows us to defeat bad ideas: “We are far better placed to know and overcome evil if we are acquainted with its essence, and the best way to achieve this is to listen and to read”. The implication, here, is that progressives who have abandoned free speech not only shy away from difficult truths, but have also lost faith in our capacity for greater moral progress.
Nevertheless, both Doyle and the Quillette editors make a series of points that complicate this neat distinction between the optimistic progressive radicals of the past, who embodied the essence of free speech, and their dour incarnation in the present.
Puritanism is not simply about being pessimistic about the human condition, and unwilling to entertain new ideas. It is, as the American novelist Marilynne Robinson put in her essay, “Puritans and Prigs: An Anatomy of Zealotry”, about the struggle for moral goodness. Struggle is the key word here. For Robinson, being good “is a great struggle and a mystery”. This means that “moral people seem to me especially eager to offer pardon in the hope of receiving pardon, to forgo judgement in the hope of escaping judgement”. So in trying to suppress your base instincts, trying “govern oneself”, you adopt a more tolerant attitude to the beliefs of others — this is the essence of free speech and the antithesis of cancel culture.
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SubscribeIf I was to take a stab at summarizing this:
The modern woke movement has nothing in common with the Puritans. It would be much better if it did.
Really good summary. Saves everyone else a read of the article.
The trouble with the article is that he is disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing – purely through his own narrow definition of what he thinks Puritanism really is.
It is just:
The actual Puritans were very repressive – Cromwell’s Britain or the New World colonies. So I really think he’s destroying his own straw man for the sake of disagreeing with Doyle – even though they essentially are in agreement on the target of criticism.
Perhaps if the word ‘puritan’ was replaced with ‘idealist’ it would make more sense.
Or ‘fundamentalist’ perhaps.
He says at the beginning of the article that “Critics of today’s progressives understand liberty, but not their opponents”. He’s trying to get them to understand themselves and their opponents better. That can only be a good thing, as having a clearer idea of yourself, your allies, and your opponents gives you an advantage.
The critics understand their opponents quite well. Because they’ve seen this sort of behavior before, typically associated with repressive and tyrannical regimes. The writer chose to make “puritan” the basis for his article and it seems that was done to distract from would these would-be societal censors really are.
‘The actual Puritans were very repressive…’
I do not know enough of the history to offer a definitive judgement, but I have to say that the briefest internet search throws up a host of articles (many relating to the Puritans in America) stating that this is a misconception. On the evidence presented, they were cheerful, delighted in marital love, had no objection to a drink or two, enjoyed games, and so on.
Otherwise expressed, the historical Puritans weren’t actually as ‘puritanical’ as that term is popularly understood.
I think the author does his best to express his understanding of Puritanism (in terms of an attitude to one’s own and others’ behaviour). A problem remains for the readers, though, that the term is already ‘captured’ by their own views of its application to certain societies in history.
In fact the classic defence of ‘free speech’ was written by a Protestant Puritan. On the other hand it’s the ‘woke’ who wish to visit our houses and ‘check our thinking’ while wearing state uniforms. I know whom I consider more ‘repressive’ and ‘inquisitorial’.
You’re citing 2 examples of when certain Puritans were briefly in power. Robinson shows that Puritan thought was rather different from how it is remembered, and crucially that Puritans were more concerned about their own moral failings than those of others.
Very good!
I’ve read the article twice now, and I still don’t understand what point, if any, the writer is trying to make.
All I can gather from it is that he doesn’t find Doyle’s alter ego funny, which is probably because he is one of those that Titiania is set up to lampoon
I agree, Jordan Peterson said in a Joe Rogan podcast that suppressing free speech unlocks the gate to hell. Strong words, but he also wrote the foreword in a book about a country that did not have free speech. The book is The Gulag Archipelago. Also in the famous Cathy Newman interview he said something like, that by being politie all the time you cannot have a real argument, because you constantly have to think about not stepping on someone’s toes. Walking on eggshells, that is what you need to do all the time, when there is no free speech.
An other dangerous effect of suppressing speech is that when you force a group of people underground by not allowing them to be part of the public discussion, there is a big change they will go underground and become more and more radical, outside the eye of the public.
In the Netherlands we have the political Muslim party DENK in the parlement who hold two seats (out of 150). They often take a liberal stance when there is a vote. I am happy this party exists, because they have influence on the debate, and are influenced by it.
(edit, forgot to mention DENK is a muslim party).
It comes down to the somewhat leaden point that the Quillette people should be labelling those who censure speech, Prigs not Puritans. Can see right there why he doesn’t get Titiana. Anyway, I’m happy to give it a go myself….
Glad to hear it. I thought it was just me.
Thumbs up.
He’s really not one of Titania’s targets. He’s very much on our side. May I suggest you read A.Herd’s btl summary above.
There isn’t much point, really. It’s a tortured exercise built on the nonsensical fallacy that ‘censorship’ is somehow a ‘base instinct‘, and therefore being against censorship is suppressing our base instincts, therefore “puritanism”.
Seems the …well, the whoever penned this piece takes his own personal individual set of base instincts (of which censorship appears to be one), and extrapolates them to the rest of mankind as if they were universal, as opposed to aberrant / subjective. Something what a 5-year-old child would do.
I think I (broadly) agree with the writer, although the article contains so much tortuous jargon that it is often difficult to tell. That said, one has to be suspicious of someone who finds Titania McGrath to be ‘largely unfunny’.
As Titania observed: it would be a much more compassionate world if everyone who disagreed with me was put to death.
Thumbs up.
Fraser, agree on all counts. I ultimately agree with the point, but the unnecessary complicated writing makes it an unpleasant read when it would be much better if he simplified it to be more direct and clear.
And honestly, Titania is a bright spot in my day often.
But I do like the distinction between Puritan and Prig. He drives it home at the end.
I think the article is like a blind person describing a sunset, he misses the whole case. Secularism can be moral, as headhunters are moral in that morality is based on the correct cultural norms. Ethics are universal, or ultimate, right and wrongs, and thus almost impossible for social things us to state.
The problem with secular morality is they cannot have ethics to base their morals on. Without the 10 Commandments as a core all they have is situational ethics, relative morality, and flexible codes of honor. Secular right and wrong is always just going to be correct and incorrect.
Christianity tells us Judgement is the right of God, that we first, and always, must be focused on what we are inside, then on what is outside. That fallowing the Ethics of God is primary, that there are rules, and they first apply to us.
That Liberalism evolved from Christianity was inevitable, that it could evolve from any other religion is unlikely . (edited to put un in front of likely)
The problem with the articles can be summed up in the phrase it uses: “the struggle for moral goodness”.
Morality is a socially learnt balancing act between competing obligations – it represents what a group of people believe is the best set of heuristics based on long-term experiences. The morality we have now is different to that of the past – it moves, but slowly – sometimes so slowly we don’t notice changes have occurred.
It gets into trouble where one group of individuals believe they have ‘a truth’. They then demand other people also believe this ‘truth’, and they refuse allow to any challenges to be heard. Eventually, they harden to demand censorship of anything against the ‘truth’, and then start imprisoning dissenters and worse. This is the terror of ideological thought.
There are huge historical examples of this – Christianity and Catholic church, Soviet Union, Cambodia, China, Germany, but it also drove the Pilgrim Fathers from England to America and dragnnades against the huguenots.
This is why freedom of speech is so important. No-one has ‘the truth’ and we should be able to talk and debate freely to muddle our way through the challenges of our time. It is better if this is done with respect for another person’s humanity – don’t call people names for instance, and challenge the arguments not the individuals – but it is only through oppositional debate that we can integrate a mass of competing interests and edge cases to improve our heuristics.
If you want a taste of vigorous freedom of speech, check out “The Republic of King Jesus” on YouTube. Professor Alec Ryrie is a wonderful lecturer and brings out the wicked humour in this collection of religious nutters in the England of the 1640s and 1650s. As if the execution of the King and Cromwell’s reign was not enough, you had the Ranters, Levellers, Seekers and Quakers all proclaming their holy messages. Check out 34 mins onwards if you are short of time.
Of course the Quakers went all respectable and survived long term. But their early days included public nudity (they were free of original sin) and a letter delivered personally to Cromwell denouncing him as a stinking dunghill. No wonder people welcomed the restoration of the Monarchy.
And ain’t that the truth!
And here, now, we have people trying to shove their ‘truth’ down our throats, denigrating and even threatening violence against those who don’t kneel before it.
I agree completely and many of my friends and colleagues feel the same. But then we should be asking ourselves why these people who are determined to enforce their views/woke on the rest of us, have so much power that we are being overrun by a tsunami of ‘free speech deniers’.
You can always tell a psuedo intellectual “progressive” because they labour the point massively, use very dubious logic based on even more dubious “facts”.
No people who believe in free speech are not puritans, and actually I think Doyle et al are way too kind to your lot, you have far more in common with fascism than you do puritanism.
You can always tell someone who either hasn’t read or can’t understand an article.
Doyle’s elegantly written and moderate polemic is in stark contrast to his personae as Titania McGrath — his largely unfunny satirical embodiment of woke culture.
is Titania “unfunny” because it reeks of truth? This piece goes quite a ways to avoid just saying that efforts to stifle free speech are anathema to a society that pretends to value freedom.
People such as the writer of this piece are determined to destroy all humour.
Funnily enough, puritans tend to be humourless and dour.
The hippies and lefties of old were all for free speech and freedom in the libertine sense, but they were no political libertarians.
I recall conservative politicians at the time being prevented from speaking at universities and elsewhere.
Things haven’t so much changed since then, they have just gotten worse.
Very good point!!
Basically the left have always been politically censorious and intolerant but socially, behaviourally “loose” but now all personal behaviour has become political so it is within their censorship sights.
Thumbs up. “The private life is dead…” (from Dr. Zhivago).
I think it’s more that the left were a broader church, not just in their politics, but in the range of personalities they attracted. Sure there were the joyless, censorious types – but they didn’t dominate in the way they do now.
Thumbs up.
As others have suggested this is a word soup of ideas.
The only thing that is clear is that the author disagrees with Doyle. And that being Priggish is subtly different from being Puritan. Other than that I cannot make out anything concrete
The fact that the writer finds Titania McGrath to be ‘largely unfunny’ suggests that he himself is extremely ‘priggish’.
perhaps the writer finds Titanian strikes a bit too close to home.
Titania is very funny, but obviously much too near the knuckle to gain the tolerance of those she lampoons. Which provides a thought for the author: those that are so easily lampooned are usually unable to see how ridiculous they are.
Titania “the persona revealed that she was raised by parents who “lavished” her with “gifts and money” to distract her from her “oppression”.”
It’s funny that this platform requires comments to be approved before they are posted! Especially in the context of the discussion on free speech !
Who is approving or disapproving our comments? Priceless
My previous comment has not been posted & awaiting approval- whatever!!
We now have overweening proctors here, carefully deciding what could be offensive-based on standards that only they seem privy to…
Like the mask, this moderating is done to protect others, not you. A diseased thought can as surely infect society as any virus can.
Our 12 months of Coronavirus has been hell for us and more so for the people who have lost someone. But the free speech issue or rather lack of it will be far more dangerous than any virus.
I have to agree with several other posters that the article followed a vague, circuitous and tortuous path to…. nowhere.
Before my eyes glazed over I never got to the part where the author discussed why censorship – to what purpose must certain voices be suppressed.
IMO the woke army of goodness is a politically active manifestation of “every child gets a prize”. It is a natural progression for a generation raised to believe that unhappiness is by definition injustice. Happiness is one of the fundamental rights of man and thus rooting out and eliminating unhappiness is a clear moral responsibility. Of course it’s all a load of misguided rubbish and as Jordan Peterson has explained the natural state of man is usually unhappiness.
I agree with Douglas Murray’s reference to “God-shaped holes” and the idea that the Woke are simply filling a spiritual void. (apologies to Mr. Murray if I misinterpreted that). Using censorship to expunge thoughts, opinions and ideas that cause unhappiness is in keeping with the doctrine.
It is also natural and expected, as history shows, that such a cause, however noble its original intent may have been, would be infiltrated, misrepresented and misused by the usual gang of opportunists, chancers and camp followers.
What the likes of Young et al are suggesting, is that a political point of view that has been repeatedly rejected by the voters, is trying other non-democratic pinch holds to have its Theology adopted as practice, nevertheless.
The theologists genuinely believe they are attempting to do us (democrats) all a favour because we are all too ‘uneducated, xenophobic, racist or trans-islama-whatever-aphobic’ and supremely stupid to know whats good for us.
Where would we be today without the freedom of speech Churchill pursued in the 1930s against the appeasement of Hitler for which he was derided and traduced? Ditto Nigel Farage without whom we would never have escaped the EU. History is replete with courageous men who defied the received wisdom of the church and governing elites and were proved right.
The contemporary mass media have been fully co-opted by the establishment and care mostly about being on the winning side – as opposed to the right side – of the big political and social questions. God forbid that Tweedledum might write or say something that upsets Tweedledee. Where does the ordinary citizen go for diversity of views if, on top of the above, Big Tech conspires with politicians to deny freedom of speech through social media and the host of small sites like this one that have sprung up.
Matt Taibi has a good piece on Substack about efforts to shut down Fox by denying its access to communications to ensure that there is less opposition in future to elite progressivism from vulgar right wing populists. Of course people who want to close down opinions alternative to their own claim the most high-minded of motives if you take them at their word. Even allowing that this true of some of them, it’s not of others. They just prefer not to be contradicted by opponents who might have better arguments.
Ironically, we are told that if workplaces are sufficiently “diverse” (i,e, have people with different skin colours), then everything will be ok i.e. we should get our “diversity of views”.
But we all know that’s not true, although no-one is brave enough to call out the fact the emperor has no clothes.
How I agree with this……we may Be very lucky to have a diverse culture although I don’t remember anyone asking me if I wanted one……..what makes me angry is the complete lack of will/ grit by our leaders to do something about the ‘free speech arena’ that we should all be able to enjoy. Remember their are many countries around the world now battling for democracy and free speech while we are losing ours.
-“Doyle, for instance, points out that a genuinely hospitable intellectual climate would consist of a sceptical attitude to people in power being able to enforce hate speech codes without descending into tyranny.” —
My problem is that I don’t see the mechanism for this to happen, despite the fact that I agree with the sentiments.
Sometimes I can spot people on UnHerd, who act as politicians. UnHerd has a particular stance and a few people (only a few) seem to always agree with that stance. For example, if I said “Today I read something interesting in Socialist Review.” they would automatically give me a downtick without reading the comment.
I see politicians like this. They only do things and say things which give upticks. So, “We’re going to change the school curriculum to stop talking about slavery.” would give many downticks – so they don’t do it or say it. Instead, “We are going to examine the school curriculum to try to improve it. ” Plenty of upticks. So, they set up a committee to report and after 3 years the committee produces a 2000-page document which the politicians don’t really have time to read. Then another priority comes along and everybody forgets the original question.
You actually need a politician who stands up and says, “We have nothing to be ashamed of. We are going to change the curriculum to exclude the issue of guilt for slavery. ” There would then be only the teachers’ unions to overcome and that also would not be easy.
‘Socialism’ means different things to different people. It has its drawbacks, but it also has its merits. In the USA, socialism is tied to progressivism which has a bad name here, and looking at progressive American politicians you begin to understand why.
Read this quite carefully, and I don’t understand what you’re on about..or even whether you think there is a problem or not. It seems like a very arcane exercise in fence-sitting
It will be interesting to see how much more mileage there is in ‘critical ……..’ add you own ……. from the multitudinous miasma of victimhood. Everywhere we turn to both left and right we encounter ‘offence’ with the left being ‘hurt’ by it whilst the right are ‘enraged’ by it. In earlier and more simple times if we found something offensive we avoided it but now it must be confronted or encouraged. Both ends of the offence spectrum are fighting a battle to essentially satisfy those for whom these things matter. But for the majority on both the left and the right they don’t really matter at all. Something that in itself makes the virtue signalers of both sides feel even more offended or validated.
In brings to mind the, apocryphal exchange….
Judge : Your client is no doubt aware that Vigilantibus, et non dormientibus, jura subveniunt?
Lawyer : In Barnsley, m’lud, they speak of little else.
And so the battle of woke is played out in the darker recesses of Universities, the BBC, the NYT and bravest of all The G******n, periodicals that few have heard of let alone read and online platforms that are not wholly devoted to selfies, cosmetic enhancements, and pictures of cuddly animals.
But when the battle is won,or lost, which windmill is next to be tilted at? Or is that too offensive to raise whilst there is so much still to do and even much more time to waste doing it?
The article is wordy tosh.
“accepting that liberty and self-expression cannot be sustained without a degree of discipline on the part of those who participate in society. In other words, puritanism.”
Allowing a “degree of discipline” to constrain one’s behaviour is not Puritanism. It requires discipline, yes, but a good deal more than “a dgree” of it.
The article may seem to be a discussion of free speech supporters against woke censorship supporters. The writer casts this discussion in terms of terms of ‘puritanism’ and ‘priggishness’, but these terms that themselves are subject to different interpretation. They are not defined as technical terms that would find wide acceptance among the readership as a basis for any discussion, except of the meaning of the terms themselves. Maybe that is what the writer intended, but the article just clutters up any reasonable discussion of the limits of free speech.
The writer is a bit ‘ad hominem’ by disparaging, quite irrelevantly, the character Titania McGrath.
Ad feminam, if you please, Peter.
Awomen.
The author states: “The impulse towards censorship, then, is base. Repressing that instinct for censorship — our reason suppressing our base passions — is puritan.”
First, even assuming that repression is puritan, free speech proceeds on the basis of restraining–not repressing– an impulse to censor others. Restraint is a characteristic of mature adults.
Second, the hallmark of puritanism, for present purposes, is intolerance. In practice, puritanism is the suppression of speech deemed heterodox or otherwise intolerable, by demonizing and punishing those who express such speech. No puritan would promote the free expression of ideas. The apparent contention of the author–that the practice of restraining any impulse to suppress in favor of addressing all ideas on their merits–seems contrived.
Does anyone else on here find Stephen£’s “thumbs up” thing a tiny bit irritating?
it’s the result of a ridiculous commenting platform. Clicking on the ‘thumbs up’ symbol has this habit of considering one click to be nine or some other arbitrary number.
I have had this explained to me by the technical people as a vote causing a ‘refresh’ that brings up several previous votes by others.
I did prefer the previous functionality.
Sorry, but I will continue, as we are no longer allowed to see who is voting. Perhaps if we all did it the proctors and improvers of this site would get the message…
Also-when you upvote now, it erases a downvote, and vice-versa…
Which is particularly pointless. If my comment has an aggregate balance of -1, is that because one person disliked it, or because 50 liked it and 51 didn’t, in which case I would view it as an excellent contribution and try to do more in the same vein.
The problem with this article is that it constructs a totally unhistorical (not to say counter-historical) definition of puritanism, while at the same time identifying as specifically puritan the notion of “constraining instincts” or “controlling baser passions” – which is, on the contrary, a core notion of almost all schools of moral thought in the Western tradition, be they Graeco-Roman or Christian.
Titania McGrath — his largely unfunny satirical embodiment of woke culture
“NOTE TO CIS PEOPLE!
If you don’t include pronouns in your bio, you are an evil transphobe
If you do include pronouns in your bio, you are appropriating trans culture and are therefore an evil transphobe.
Choose.”
Titania McGrath. LOL. Read the pinned tweet about the predictions that come true. Hilarious! Worth the read. Author is literally a caricature of the humorless liberal.
Some of that went way over my head as I am not educated on the book’s & authors mentioned but I think I get the gist. I did find the article very interesting.
I do think that the first discussion has to happen in ones own head. I think we are too easy on ourselves when it comes to sticking to a certain belief system as there are valid points on both sides. Both the person expressing his ideas and the listener have to be open minded and have to exercise their ability to understand each other’s perspective . They may not be convinced by each other but they should be able to feel the passion behind the point of view. Respect and tolerance ( both inward & outward) are also key besides puritanical self censorship and accepting that your ideas may be flawed too.
If you know you-yourself are capable of fault and flaw in reasoning , you would be better of addressing those first before pointing it out in others. There is no perfection ( as the author says) only a stumbling to acceptable answers after a rigorous self examination.
I always enjoy interesting quotes from books I haven’t read however I’m not sure the John Stuart Mill quote about minorities pleading for space to dissent represents quid pro quo… “something for something” ?
Interesting central idea though, that actually the Puritan ideal of wise laws to govern the flaws in ourselves, despite uncomfortable outcomes in some cases, is more like the free speech movement.
My top tip for making sense here is to imagine Richard Harris in the marvellous 70’s film Cromwell arguing the case for free speech. Definitely doesn’t work if you try to put Richard Harris on the woke side !!
‘Many of today’s contemporary progressives are pejoratively derided as moralisers, but the problem is many of them do not moralise enough — they don’t go through the individual grind and struggle a truly moral person often has to go through to get to their position.’
I don’t see why this statement applies in any greater degree to modern progressives than to modern or traditional conservatives.
‘pro-censorship woke brigade are often characterised as puritanical by their pro-free-speech antagonists’
The woke brigade are no more pro censorship than their conservative antagonists who in turn are no more pro free speech than the woke brigade. There are two different narratives fighting for broadcast space (in the broadest sense). One side might find it harder to put their view across in some universities and student unions and one finds it harder to put their view across in most of the print media. There are prigs, puritans and libertines on all sides.
The woke brigade are no more pro censorship than their conservative antagonists who in turn are no more pro free speech than the woke brigade.
Are you sure about that, because ‘cancel culture’ is almost exclusively the domain of the progs. From Amazon deciding to digitally burn a book to a US Congress committee demanding that cable systems remove certain troublesome news channels, the demand for censorship is everywhere.
The New York Post’s story on Hunter Biden put that in front of everyone in living color. Not only did Big Tech block the story, from the Post’s on social media accounts, it tried to justify its actions. This is the same media that insisted for weeks that a Capitol police officer was bludgeoned to death by pro-Trump protesters, when nothing of the kind occurred.
Thumbs up.
My knowledge is of the UK, I confess I know very little of US in this regard.
Examples of cancel culture from the right in the UK:
UK Government forbidding state schools to use teaching materials created by organisations opposed to capitalism (even if those materials don’t directly relate to their opposition to capitalism)
UK Government to prevent Student Unions from deciding who they invite to speak at Student Union events
UK Government dictating to museums how they present and contextualise their exhibitions
UK Government threatening to withdraw funding from Universities that decline to adopt the IHRA definition of anti-semitism and all its examples
Campaign to have a UK Academic removed from his post at Bristol University because of his pro-Palestinian views
UK government intervening in local government decisions on the naming of new streets
Congratulations, Mark, you’ve misrepresented every one of those issues.
In the modern US, censorship is almost entirely a leftist thing. Newsmax and Fox are not demanding that cable companies drop CNN.
YouTube and Google are not blocking Team Apocalypse from fear mongering about Covid.
Half the country doesn’t even realize we HAVE a censorship problem. They think it’s a “hate speech and misinformation” problem, and that social media companies have a moral obligation to silence the bad guys.
This is not one of those easy, pat, “both sides bad” situations.
Yes, the conservatives can be accused of moralizing too (although they tend to be more into the importance of pragmatism than the importance of hurt feelings; so it’s a different kind of ethos).
But there is just no evidence of anything remotely approaching a conservative “cancel culture” in the US.
Cancel culture is based on the idea that offensive, politically incorrect ideas should not be permitted by those in charge.
That’s basically the antithesis of American conservativism.
Sorry, but-thumbs up.
On the moralising you may be right – on the censoriousness and censorship I think not. Like it or not, the left seem to have lost their taste for freedom of speech. Perhaps this is because, having gained a kind of cultural and moral dominance, they wish to protect their position rather than leave it open to critique.
Not surprising, given how lame and ripe for satire the ideas of the woke left are.
The Puritans have been making war against the Cavaliers since the 17th century. For a disturbingly familiar exchange, see Richard Hooker’s account of his encounter with the them. There’s a good excerpt (with good modern context) in Eric Voegelin’s New Science of Politics.
I’m afraid he lost me when he said Titania McGraw was largely unfunny. In the days when I frequented that cesspool that is Twitter, her tweets were the only thing I looked forward to. She often made me laugh out loud.
This seems like in-fighting to me. Catty remarks about Doyle’s alter-ego (don’t believe the writer, Titania is frequently FAF, nowhere more than her appearance at Comedy Unleashed which is viewable on YouTube) and hair-splitting about the difference between a prig and a puritan.
The main thread here is still the huge threat to free speech posed by ludicrous hate speech laws that used to be the preserve of communist regimes, and the censorship of the right online by leftist run cyber businesses. Let alone the overall moral superiority complex of the progressives, who lack the self-awareness to notice their own racism, intolerance and authoritarianism.
When I saw one of the Titania McGrath skits, it was the first time I really laughed at comedy since I returned to this country three years ago. You don’t realise how far things have gone, what has been lost. You are the proverbial frog being boiled slowly. Your thought and language are confused and laboured. I don’t actually think you know what you are talking about, like so many others right now.
Polite society exits as if balanced on the top of a beach ball – difficult to remain balanced with little movements around the optimal balance point but move too far and you are likely to fall off to the extremes.
I’d say this essay would be better framed around pluralism and that a healthy democratic framework of free expression requires temperance or more generally the Cardinal Virtues of Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, Temperance.
https://johnmcwhorter.substack.com/p/the-elect-the-threat-to-a-progressive?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjoyNjY5OTE3NiwicG9zdF9pZCI6MzI4NTE1MzgsIl8iOiJYeDBtRSIsImlhdCI6MTYxNDE4NTg0MCwiZXhwIjoxNjE0MTg5NDQwLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMjcyMjM0Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.aSKhWiCABVys-ZkUKTNRel3XkZ5g03X3Juu_Ewng334
No, because one would have to be historically illiterate to even allude to that, given that puritanism in history has effectively always lead to massive intolerance.
The whole debate is hilarious – the right, in arguing for their “free speech” are more often than not arguing that they have a right to broadcast their ideas on other people’s private infrastructure, and they are also arguing that their speech should be without consequences from other private entities, such as their employers. This is wholly unrelated to the actual freedom to discuss your ideas without government intervention, and a very entitled position to take. You have never had the right to broadcast your ideas from my front lawn, nor should you.
I’m an academic with direct experience of cancellation and ideological repression. You are quite mistaken. How about the ideological monopoly exerted by prog ideologues over hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds of public funding channelled though universities, and public sector broadcasters?
the right, in arguing for their “free speech” are more often than not arguing that they have a right to broadcast their ideas on other people’s private infrastructure
this argument becomes more obtuse with every repetition. First, the right – and everyone else – were invited to put their ideas on these platforms; it’s not like they barged into a private party. They were invited and until now, were bound by a few basic terms no one is arguing about – prohibitions on obscenity or harming children. Then, the goalposts moved. Which you know yet pretend did not occur.
Oh no, a private company decided to change the rules on how I use theirt services! This is unprecendented! Fetch the smelling salts!
Oh no. A private company with a virtual monopoly that is protected from being sued for content because it claims to be a neutral platform and not a publisher is acting as a publisher and yet still expects to be protected. Fancy that.
‘…arguing that they have a right to broadcast their ideas on other people’s private infrastructure…’
The problem is that that ‘private infrastructure’ has become the public square.
The public square is still there. You can go and speak out there as much as you like.
But you can’t can you. The existing cartel will combine to force you out of the square. See Parler as a case in point.
Nobody is arguing for the right to broadcast from your front lawn. It is for equal access to a communication medium which is or has been presented as available to all. In that respect it is no different to telephone networks and mail services for example. A service which declared itself as available only to groups of particular political persuasion, a propaganda channel, would not be supported by the public at large nor would a government that facilitated it. It would be a different matter if there were a variety of such channels but currently the big tech companies have effective monopolies.
Another fab article – the nuances and importance of which is evidently lost on many of the thinly read yet ‘priggish’ people who seek refuge in these pages.
It is of course true that Tiniana McGrath demonstrates you don’t have to be woke to lack a sense of humour.
The fact some commentators seem to assume that by pointing this out this article is an example of woke culture rather than a critique of it, demonstrates this resistance to nuance and the hard work that often needs to be put in to find the truth.
The eagerness to judge before finishing an article is hardly a reserve of the woke liberals.