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America’s divisions will only get worse Trump didn't cause the vitriol and polarisation, and it won't end now he's gone

Biden supporters taunt Trump fans. Credit: Chris McGrath/Getty

Biden supporters taunt Trump fans. Credit: Chris McGrath/Getty


November 9, 2020   6 mins

If people thought that the last four years in American politics were divisive, then they’ve seen nothing yet. With Donald Trump off the scene, many seem to believe that the country’s political arena will emerge into a bright new future, but things are about to get a whole lot worse.

American polarisation pre-dates Trump by decades, but in the past few years it has intensified to such an extent that a paper on US tribalism from Cambridge University says it is now approaching levels of ethnic parochialism seen in Bosnia and Kosovo — two countries noted for their recent political stability. However, even before Trump’s election, a study of Democrats and Republicans showed similar levels of distrust as exist between Israelis and Palestinians.

Yet while many people recognise the symptoms of this American balkanisation, they do not recognise the cause. It is not just that people believe in different things, it is that they believe in different facts — there is no longer any agreement on what has happened and what has not. This applies from the most serious and major event to the most mundane, but it starts with the words people believe were said or not said

Take two of the claims about Trump that most enraged the Left in recent years: that he described all Mexicans as rapists and that he refused to condemn white supremacy. Both these are false. Neither accurately reflects what Donald Trump said, at the bottom of the escalator in Trump Tower on the day he announced his candidacy in June 2015, or in his response to the events in Charlottesville two years later.

Yet for four years the anti-Trump “Resistance” was happy to run with these claims. In the last couple of days, broadcasters on major American networks have claimed on air, on the basis of Trump’s Mexicans comment, that Hispanics have suffered more prejudice than at any point in their lifetimes. The same Hispanics who just voted for Trump in record-breaking numbers.

Meanwhile, Trump’s supposed failure to denounce white supremacy is such a part of the historical narrative that it came up in the presidential debates and was raised by Kamala Harris in her vice-presidential debate with Mike Pence. The transcript (what we used to call “the record”) shows that the claim is false; Trump condemned white supremacy clearly in his post-Charlottesville statement. As has been observed by others, Trump has not only said more lies than any other president, but he has also had more lies said about him.

And now the man who looks set to become the next president of the USA announces that he wants the country to heal?

This split version of reality extends beyond words. In the past month, American politics witnessed a scandal of potentially enormous proportions, a story that once would have exploded across the political scene to be met with the usual cycle of allegations and denials.

Hunter Biden’s laptop contained an awful lot of things, including photos of Biden Jnr allegedly smoking crack and exposing himself. But more damaging was the allegation that it contained emails suggesting not only that Joe Biden’s brother and son enriched themselves by selling their access to foreign powers, but that the man himself — “the chairman” — enriched himself through these means, too.

It may be said that the timing of the story was awfully advantageous to the Republican cause — and that would be right. Such a story emerging right before an election would have a major impact on a campaign; and obviously the Republicans wanted it to have such an effect. But in the end it did not — almost as if it never even happened.

Of course, the American public may well regard Hunter Biden’s personal life — quite rightly — as entirely a matter for himself. But these emails contained claims that in any healthy democracy would require serious investigation, implying monumental levels of corruption at the top.

The American Left, however, decided to pretend that the whole thing was either a Russian disinformation drop, that it was simply a matter of personal intrusion, or that there was otherwise nothing to see. With the help of social media, it smothered the story.

Twitter and Facebook decided to censor all references to the corruption scandal. It even locked the New York Post — America’s oldest newspaper — out of its own account and muted the Post’s story on their platforms. So except for the small number of people with unusual interest in hard-to-access stories, that portion of the country which gets its news from Twitter or Facebook did not actually know what the Biden laptop story was about. It simply doesn’t exist in that universe.

Half the country knows that the laptop scandal appears to contain questions about the Biden family’s search for funds. The other half either believes that the story is entirely fabricated or was content to pretend to believe that right up until the day of the election. Because whatever the Bidens may or may not have done, it was worth ignoring in order to see Donald Trump and his family leave the White House.

And now we have the biggest disagreement of all about reality. One portion of the country — some way over half — believes that Joe Biden won this election. Another portion — nowhere near a majority, but possibly a majority of people who voted Republican — believes that Donald Trump won. Trump himself is irresponsibly laying the groundwork for the next four years of his career by sticking to this claim. And while he may at some point say that he is stepping aside for the good of the nation — which would not entirely be in character — he and his many supporters are likely to hold to the idea that this election was stolen from them by a corrupt and rigged system.

The only counter that the Biden camp currently has is to pretend that this is wholly untrue and that there is no corruption in the US voting system, especially not when it comes to mail-in votes. And all the while, that crucial middle ground, those people who recognise that there certainly are voting irregularities in the American system and that, notwithstanding, Donald Trump lost the election, is vacated.

At such a moment, a society enters a crucially dangerous juncture. Because once we no longer share the same reality, we can no longer empathise with our opponents or compromise, and from that point on absolutely anything can happen.

The incoming president and vice-president will naturally state that they now seek to put an end to all this. In his first speech since the vote appeared to go his way Joe Biden invited the United States to end what he called the “grim era of demonisation”. The President-elect begged: “Let’s give each other a chance.”

And yet that is exactly what he and his party spent the last four years not doing. After the election of their adversary in 2016, the Democrats came up with a fake allegation about Russian interference in the election. They claimed that Trump and his family colluded with the Kremlin to get him into office, and when the official investigation into that bogus claim found it was indeed bogus, the same people then attempted to impeach the president on the basis of a phone call with his counterpart in Ukraine. And now they say that people’s families are off-limits and that it is time to come together? It is obvious that Biden and the Democrats only want the “era of demonisation” and divisiveness to come to an end so long as it does so on their terms.

What if the Republicans decide to do to the Bidens what the Democrats did to the Trumps, by delegitimising the election result and with it the democratic process. And why not? Since the Democrats spent four years pretending that the last election was fixed, why shouldn’t the Republicans spend the next four pretending that this one was, too? Even if they do not believe so — as many Democrats doubtless did not sincerely believe their own claims about 2016 — that’s the game now.

And if the Democrats can pursue Trump and his sons over claims of collusion with a foreign power, why should the Republicans not as a first order of business order an official investigation into Joe Biden and his family? Indeed why should they not announce (as Democrat operatives did after the last election) that they intend to impeach President Biden the moment he enters office?

All of this would be to play the game in kind — it would indeed be “fair” — and would have as much point to it as the Democrats’ Russian vendetta had between 2016 and 2020. It would also tear this country further apart.

The problem is that neither side is any longer dedicated to viewing the truth in neutral terms — and the Democrats are still at it. At the weekend, one former National Security Council spokesman for President Obama condemned Boris Johnson’s message of congratulation to Joe Biden. Calling the British Prime Minister a “shapeshifting creep”, Tommy Vietor said “We will never forget your racist comments about Obama.”

But Johnson never made any racist comments about Obama — the Prime Minister had remarked in 2016 that Obama’s far from warm attitude to Britain may have been influenced by his Kenyan heritage, something no one would find remarkable if applied to, say, an Irish-American like Joe Biden. Vietor had simply elevated his personal interpretation of Johnson’s words into the status of fact and then used them as a political weapon to use against the enemy. He does so at the moment of his own side’s victory and triumph, a lack of magnanimity that bodes ill for the future.

Trump has gone, but if anyone thinks the age of vitriol and division is over, then they are truly living in a different reality. If you liked the last four years of American politics, you’re going to love what comes next.


Douglas Murray is an author and journalist.

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Mike Boosh
Mike Boosh
3 years ago

It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. Now that ‘their’ guy has won, and there is now a corporate puppet back in the white House will all those riots stop? The next time a black person gets shot by a cop, will it be blamed on Biden? How will they spin it when Biden launches the next war in the middle East? When he steps up the economic destruction to ‘tackle covid’ and more people lose their jobs, and this makes no difference to deaths, how will they reconcile this? Who will the insane left blame for all the world’s ills now their bogey man has gone?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

Under Trump debt went up by 40% (before Covid); now Biden has to deal with it.

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

If he knows how to deal with it Boris and Sunak will need his advice.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Biden wants to put even more trillions on top of this. The Green New Deal won’t be paid by an organic Magic Money tree in the back garden of the White House.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

And that will be the perfect time for Republicans/Conservatives to discover their “principled” opposition to debt.
Trump promised to balance the budget not blow it up.

in_de_vise
in_de_vise
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

If the demtards could have left him alone instead of wasting 3 yrs and billions of dollars on that russia conspiracy, perhaps he could have moved in the direction of balancing the debt

William W
William W
3 years ago
Reply to  in_de_vise

Utter tripe (as our British friends might say). Trump is a self-admitted “lover” of debt – as long as he is not the one left holding the bag – one of the few things he actually excelled at during his checkered “business” career. Trump bounced from bankruptcy to bankruptcy until his epiphany that he could actual make money simply pretending to be a businessman on TV and licensing out his brand/name to any suitable charlatan or grifter. The ultimate con… and a poisoned chalice from which far too many Americans willingly consumed (and continue to do so).As president, Trump’s profligate spending and unwarranted tax cuts (stealing from future generations) were a key part of the economic “success” during his presidency that few (on either side of the aisle) even acknowledged let alone seriously sought to control…. No I fear we are all victims of his grift and are all f@#ked (as our our future descendants with this increasingly crushing debt).Also Van, the Mueller “Russia” Investigation (which contrary to Bill Barr’s spin (and Douglas Murray’s – whom I otherwise generally admire) was not an exoneration of Trump and was around $42 million (not “Billions” as you inaccurately claim). Roughly the cost of 1/2 of of one a F-35A fighter jet. But I should have recalibrated my expectations of you as soon as I saw your “clever” use of the term “Demtards” it is always a clear giveaway ….

Kathy Leicester
Kathy Leicester
3 years ago
Reply to  William W

I’m glad you’re not my countryman.

Man, you’re awful. Really, really awful. Resentful, petty, bitter.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  in_de_vise

LOL
How does Russian investigation affects the budget?

daniellemciver
daniellemciver
3 years ago

Ha! Just wanted to add, that Biden also wants to, take away our second amendment, sensor our speech, raise our taxes, gut our military, and defund the police, just to name a few…

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

Where do all those ”Ungreen” Windfarms &Solar panels Go they dont seem to be recycled?..”planet of the Humans” by left michael Moore

Kathy Leicester
Kathy Leicester
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

After he and his girlfriend, Barry piled on debt more than every year of the nation combined? Yeah, woe is Pedo Joe.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

No matter how unpalatable it may be. this election was “won” by hatred. Chiefly of a man who dared to utter the truth concerning the differences between the sexes……women have come to expect kid glove treatment in today’s woke society, losing touch with sexual reality in the process. All of the examples you pose will be ignored, we live in a world of “identity politics”

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Trump is the hater in chief.

Kathy Leicester
Kathy Leicester
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Did your sweetie pay you with special things to create that witty witty?

We are blessed with Trump. He’s a great human being. We love him, personally and professionally. We’ll fight to the death for him.

sharon johnson
sharon johnson
3 years ago

I won’t fight to the death for him, but I will watch him clean up what appears to be ballot disasters with joy in my heart. He’s so cute.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Don’t wear those kid gloves while grabbing women’s pussies. Is that what you mean?

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

There is a video of BLM threatening the Dems at the weekend as they party in “BLM Square”, accusing them in menacing chants of colonising the space. BLM didn’t seem to be celebrating. It was business as usual.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago

I thought they were both marxists.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

It was raw class and race hatred being displayed, to their own side.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

The Mighty Boosh?.

M Blanc
M Blanc
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

Yes, the riots will mostly stop. The infrastructure for them, provided by the likes of George Soros, will dry up. Most of the rioters will go home. Those who persist, will be arrested by the suddenly active police. As far as the next shooting of. a black by a white cop, it will not be blamed on Old Uncle Joe. It will be blamed on “systemic racism” and “white supremacy” and will result in further attacks on whites by Democrats.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  M Blanc

A yes, George Soros…he is paying for everything isn’t he?

Tom Jennings
Tom Jennings
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Not just George, Kamala and Biden staffers helped with bail money to get “mostly peaceful” protestors back on the street. A real team effort.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Jennings

A lot of them are so consumed with hatred for their own country that they do it for nothing. They after all have jobs, graduate jobs.

sharon johnson
sharon johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  M Blanc

I believe the US death tally on blacks killing blacks is hitting 700 for the year. No sign of BLM anywhere. Why? Because they don’t care. Black deaths matter only when the shooter is a white policeman because that’s where the money is. No riots, no broken windows, no destroyed businesses when a few blacks shoot their brethren. No money in it.

steve eaton
steve eaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

They will do the same thing they did when Obama took over from Bush. that is to blame everything on the Bush administration. They were even doing so 6 and 76 years into Obama’s tenure.

Now, everything will still be Trump’s fault.

Kathy Leicester
Kathy Leicester
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

The enemy will do as they are doing now: lying like Soviet Russians when confronted. I called a local “news” outlet and when asked why they referred to Slow Joe as “president elect” they reacted with the NPC monotone “we were told to report that at this time….” Over and over again. I asked “Do you believe it?” “We were told to report that at this time….”

Their parent, CBS told them to.

Nuremburg, anyone?

Theoretical musings, however. POTUS is still POTUS. And will be, once we get the silliness cleared up in court.

sharon johnson
sharon johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike Boosh

I assumed BLM was about black lives mattering, but it’s not. See their website. They are a Marxist fundraising group using ‘Black Lives’ as a marketing scheme.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

The most laughable thing has been Biden talking unity, and his dogwashers posting things about the same on social media. As if four years of being called nazis, racists, and whatever else somehow gives the left the moral high ground. Sorry, that’s not how it works. You don’t get to pull stunts ranging from not a single Dem showing up for Trump’s inauguration to the endless Russian fixation to the enemies lists being sought by the likes of AOC, and then suddenly ask “can’t we be friends?”

No, we can’t. My friends don’t call me racist. They may disagree with me and we may have vigorous discussions, but there is no name-calling, let alone violence. At this point, we’re exes. It means we can be civil and polite in mixed company because that’s how adults act. Some exes manage to be friends but those relationships were more likely to flame out than be burned down by either side. It’s okay. The left hates people like me. That’s been made abundantly clear.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Alex, the article was about lies and facts… and you start right off with ‘not a single dem’ showed up for Trumps inauguration, while of course not only were the Obama’s there, but the Clintons were too… you know, the lady he beat by fewer total votes than those he’s losing to Biden by? That dem. As you have thus disqualified yourself from being taken seriously, I won’t bother with the rest of your nonsense, and it’s clear why “the left hates people like” you.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

My fault for using an absolute. A large chunk of Congress stayed home. That’s so much more mature. For former presidents to show up, that’s a low bar.

it’s clear why “the left hates people like” you.
it’s who the left is. It hates anyone not 100% in lockstep agreement. Just look at how it treats minorities that dare to stray, or the occasional person in good standing who deviates on a single point. Funny how you skip right over the serial insults.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Low Bar? It’s one that I’m quite sure DJT will not clear, so I guess it’s looking a bit higher to you now. As to congressmen staying home, correct me if I’m wrong, but as I recall a certain Mitch McConnell was meeting with all the Republican senators at the exact time Obama was being sworn in… during which meeting they all swore to do everything the could to make Obama a one term president. That’s statesmanship for you!!

sallylarkin
sallylarkin
3 years ago

It wasn’t the ‘exact time’ it was the evening of the same day. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the general purpose of being a politician is to win elections. All politicians and political parties would wish to make Presidents from the party they oppose one term presidents, this is not unusual and not something worthy of censure – it’s the norm.

Given the obstruction Trump has faced, anything Obama faced is dwarfed in comparison.

daniellemciver
daniellemciver
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Notice how when discussing ANYTHING the dems don’t agree with, they immediately resort to name-calling, their tempers flair, they forget where they are, and with whom their speaking to… Lol😂 They are completely unhinged; burning down our cities like a bunch of babies, who didn’t get their way… I mean, it’s laughable. And, then they have their weak, cognitively impaired, and so obviously coached, Biden say, “we need to unify the country.” It’s psychotic.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

“….,not a single Dem showing up for Trump’s inauguration “
THAT IS FACTUALLY WRONG!
Why do you lie?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Because dozens not showing up makes it sound better?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

60 members of the house (including senators) didn’t show up. The rest almost 200 did…so how is that dozens for you?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

do you know how many are in a dozen? Because your numbers point to five dozen. As in more than one, making dozens. THIS is what you’re defending? It’s classless. And the same would apply to Repubs who engaged in a similar tantrum.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

No dozens (200 and the last 3 democratic presidents) completely disproves your point.
You said “a large chunk of congress” – about 60 stayed away.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

He is right. There is a media wasteland. Fox news has been okay but little else. I have to get my news from Youtube.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

“I have to get my news from Youtube.”
And so can everyone else. You are not a pioneer.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Leave him alone. He has already explained.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

And me as it happens. They don’t reason that just call you racist or homophobic or anything like that. It is pointless discussing with them.

Kathy Leicester
Kathy Leicester
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Anyone who thinks for himself, knows how to do things, and loves liberty is in the crosshairs of the Marxists.

Which includes me.

Alex Mitchell
Alex Mitchell
3 years ago

Which is all true and, as ever by Mr Murray, beautifully stated. The question for any genuine leader of the US is how to stop the cycle. Do the Republicans act as the bigger persons here and not play up in the same way? If they did, would it be recognized as such? I suspect not. So, do they then loudly identify the issues and the parallels before backing off into reasonable behaviour? And, if so, how would they get that message across in the polarized media world?
My guess is that with a career politician in the White House, the swamp reestablishes itself fully and it loops back into low level grumbling and internal power games. If, that is, Biden can keep the more left-leaning sections of his party in check.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Mitchell

Republicans act as the bigger person….
LOL

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Nixon 1960

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

That was Ike’s party (the last great American president). Trump is not Ike.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Dopey Nixon committed Watergate As he Was Paranoid after illinois was ‘Fixed’ by thousands of Votes going into Lake michigan in nov 1960 & Then Stuffing ballots in 1972 ….. Kennedy had enough electoral college votes but overall total was less than 100,000 in popular vote..

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago

Nixon gave in to Kennnedy’s fraud for the sake of the country.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
3 years ago

Nixon conceded for the good of the country and the US got Vietnam and the Cuban missile crisis

Chris Stapleton
Chris Stapleton
3 years ago

And, er…. the assassination.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
3 years ago

Well if you are saying that had there been no fraud and Kennedy lost the election, he would not have been assassinated that must be right, but I do not see the relevance.

Adding to my list you could include the decline of public and moral and ethical standards in the 60’s and 70’s, the huge expansion of the state and so on up to and including the election of President Trump

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

Kennedy already had 303 Electoral votes .nixon 219 .Even if illinois was Reversed as it should have been.! Kennedy’s sex exploits and terminal Addisons’ were hidden until Watergate hearings by conservative news media..

Martin Davis
Martin Davis
3 years ago

Nixon 1974

marklewanski
marklewanski
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

This type of comment is exactly the problem in America. Blanket judgement and inflammatory provocation. Way to bring us together.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  marklewanski

Yes, my comment here is pushing Americans apart.

Brian Dorsley
Brian Dorsley
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

It’s the supercilious sneering that most Americans object to. It’s that one last kick in the head when your opponent is down. Your comment on its own is just an inconsequential petty meanness – a tiny pebble. But it’s a tiny pebble in an avalanche. I fear that rather than learning to get along with people who think differently to them, the Democrat party and the institutions that support them will spend the next four years humiliating and further alienating the ‘other side’ until another Trump-like figure or worse comes along and plays to their resentment.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Brian Dorsley

“..most Americans object to.” – you don’t know that.
When it comes to the American people (Democrats or Republican) I always refer to the H.L. Mencken. He got the measurement of the American people.

“The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”

P.S. I am American and a paleoconservative.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

It is pointless trying to imitate what the democrats tried to do in the last four years. Action should be for the good of the country and not some kind of revenge as the democrats showed when Trump was elected. It has come to the time that one cannot rely on America to do the right thing as they did in the past although I know that there is a minority who are as true as ever.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

You have a very selective version of history.
Obama won the election (and Democracts controlled the House and the Senate).
Republican Senate position (a historical fact that no one questions it) was: we are not going to co-operate with Obama and try to make him a 1 term president.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Mitchell

I don’t think so Alex, Biden will step down within a year when things have quietened down and the door will be open for the real villains to take the floor. I only hope that the fraud is exposed and the true President reinstated

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

As far as being a career politician is concerned Biden’s career was finished with Obama’s

Chuck Burns
Chuck Burns
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Mitchell

Your comment is based on both sides being mature, honorable, and putting the country first. We are in this dilemma because the Republicans shy away from a fight and would rather give in on principle and reach across the aisle to get along.

The Democrat party on the other hand is no longer the Democrat Party that my Mom and Dad belonged to in the 1950’s. The Cultural Marxist Left has infiltrated the government, changed education to anti-America Leftist indoctrination, and taken over the Democrat Party.

If Biden becomes President there will be no violent demonstrations and riots like the Leftist Democrats gave us for four years. Our resistance will be through the Senate and then we will vote to take back the House in two years.

Peter Turner
Peter Turner
3 years ago
Reply to  Chuck Burns

“The Democrat party on the other hand is no longer the Democrat Party that my Mom and Dad belonged to in the 1950’s. The Cultural Marxist Left has infiltrated the government, changed education to anti-America Leftist indoctrination, and taken over the Democrat Party.”
You know what, I thought you were talking about the Labour Party in Britain.
Weird, isn’t it?

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago

I really don’t think the Republicans, like the Conservatives here, can actually find within themselves the same measure of nastiness and hatred which has been displayed by the so called liberal left in both countries in recent years, it’s more likely the Democrats will continue their hate campaign against Trump and continue to seek his prosecution for whatever they can dig up, just as efforts continue here against cummings, hate campaigns and cancel culture have become the liberal left’s normal way of operating, Joe Biden’s success isn’t going to change that.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

“…or whatever they can dig up,”
tax evasion is not a crime? Assuming that he is guilty.
He is being investigated (collaborated by his long time lawyer) for tax evasion.

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

And when that fails there will be another prosecution to take it’s place.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

I don’t know! Do you ?
You pretend that the US justice system is the Russian justice system.

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

The justice system is able to be taken advantage of by those with political purpose, it’s how so many lawyers become politicians.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

Lawyers become politicians because you have a legalistic process in place (aka GOVERMENT).
Drafting laws requires lawyers.
Powerful people (with money) always and anywhere can get a better deal. Should be no problem for Trump.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Isn’t it? It certainly looks that way from the top of a 38 bus.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Yes it does.

William W
William W
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

You realize, Bob, the guy you are defending was forced to pay $2m back for misusing charitable funds from his “Trump Foundation’s” bank accounts… (all frankly criminal acts) and was forced to shutter the charity (under court supervision) and agree (along with 3 of his children) to 19 admission of misconduct and misuse….

This is the guy (who continues to undermine our democracy with false claims of widespread and material voter fraud) who is totally without a moral compass…. Your (and the conservatives in general) tolerance of this immoral cretin man/child never ceases to amaze (and sadden) me….

While I truly abhor and lament the far left’s decent into “wokeness” and identity politics (and the serious damage it does to the laudable causes it purportedly seeks to uplift), the blinders you, Bob, and your ilk are willing to put on are no less clueless, ignorant, and lamentable…. God (or some A.I. Deus ex machina) please help us all because if this is the best level of thought and discourse we can do as educated, rational souls …. we are all (once again) f@#$ked.

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago
Reply to  William W

Since when does a dislike of the modern liberal left amount to a defence of Trump?, my comment should obviously be read in context to the article.

William W
William W
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

Hi Bob,

Sorry if I mistook your presumption that any prosecution of Trump’s “tax evasion” would “fail” and be quickly replaced with what I supposed you were inferring was yet another “trumped” up charge (pun intended) – as support for Trump. It just rubs me the wrong way when I see folks go into contortions to defend or excuse a man who from all actions – appears to be amoral, draft-dodging, low-IQ, narcissistic, grifter, and bully. Apologies….

As I noted, I too find much to fault with the modern left – who aren’t without their own set of charlatans and hypocrites – especially in the “woke” realm (see e.g., Robin D’Angelo, Ibrahim Kendi, etc) though I do still believe that most on the left are motivated and sincere in their laudable desire to advance a world where all people are accorded respect (unless their individual actions merit otherwise), fairness, and equality regardless of their race, sex or sexual orientation, etc. – even if they are currently grossly misguided to such an extent that they actually do a disservice to the values and people they purport to advance…. Cheers.

David Bell
David Bell
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

“tax evasion is not a crime” – if the IRS accept your tax returns how can it be tax evasion?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  David Bell

IRS can accept your tax returns and come back to you with questions…you are not supposed to lie in your tax form.

David Bell
David Bell
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

No, that is not how it works. Once accepted, the return is fixed unless there is some illegality. Not even the NYT is suggesting Trump did anything illegal.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

“Assuming that he is guilty” – yes, that is the sum of it.

A Hogen
A Hogen
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

There is zero chance that Trump and Cohen took the lead on Trump’s taxes. Multiple pass through entities, complex depreciation and other issues — please. Not to mention some of the related entities may use different accounting firms than Trump himself depending on ownership, control and other issues associated with the venture.

My favorite fake Trump tax scandal was evidenced in an in depth article (by the NYT I think) questioning his family’s estate/gift tax planning, going back decades and decades. It was a literal tour de force of basic, run of the mill estate tax avoidance methods (like generation skipping transfers) used by people with potential estate tax liabilities across the country every single day, even more so in the latter part of the 20th century based on the exemption amount at the time.

EDIT: Link to the NYT article: https://www.nytimes.com/int

Like the “secret Chinese bank account” (lol), this is all complete BS.

Dominic Straiton
Dominic Straiton
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

70 million Americans will beg to disagree with your verdict

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago

I dare say the results more reflect a vote against

bob alob
bob alob
3 years ago

Many of whom voted against Trump rather than voted for Biden.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  bob alob

Wont happen All trump has to do is make sure All By elections,Mid terms &future Election ,Postal Voting is Limited To shift Workers,The Infirm &those on holiday ..& counted 10-14 days before the US election…I can’t see Donald T running in 2024 he’ll be 78 & should concentrate & News &business channel to rival sky &bloomberg both Democrat bias..

Frank James
Frank James
3 years ago

With Democrats embracing divisive identity politics and the blood libel that is Critical Racial Theory, it can only get worse. They are openly kulak-ing a group of people and promising to disarm them. You know, because 4% of gun deaths each year are due to the very scary looking AR-15. For the safety of the children, you see. It has absolutely nothing to do with rubbing the deplorables faces in it by taking away their most treasured firearm. No, nothing at all…

I am not exactly sure what the end game for the Democrats is, but uniting and governing a wounded country does not seem to be a priority.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago
Reply to  Frank James

‘They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.’ Obviously, it’s the Democrats embracing divisive identity politics?

Geoff Cox
Geoff Cox
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

Thanks for demonstrating Douglas Murray’s point. You fail to point out that Trump was talking about illegal immigrants, not normal immigrants or those already resident. He is also arguably talking about a subset of illegal immigrants – that is “the ones sent ” to the US.

I believe this is the quote in full:

“”When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best,” he said during the announcement. “They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime. They’re rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they’re telling us what we’re getting.”

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Geoff Cox

“He is also arguably”
Yes, arguably.
Trump was running for president of USA and not for sanitation commissioner in some small town rural America.
With the long track record of Trump can you truly ARGUE ?

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago
Reply to  Geoff Cox

I think it was a statement designed to stoke anti-Mexican feelings among Americans. I think an expert in management of the message like Trump was well aware of that.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

Why do you think that? Are you, as they say, projecting?

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

I hope not. I’m someone who thinks all people are of equal value and worthy of respect – whether they are American, Mexican or neither. If a Spanish person in Spain said ‘When England sends its people, they’re not sending the best’ I’d think that was wrong (and I’m not English).

Tom Graham
Tom Graham
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

I think you are wrong.
It was a statement meant to appeal to the majority of ordinary people – but not the rich elite – who think that a country should guard it’s borders and keep illegal immigrants and foreign criminals out of the country.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Graham

What rich elitist wants to let foreign criminals in the country?

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

The UK for one.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

When A Home Secretary has to Announce ”now we can Keep out EU criminals ie People traffickers,terror suspects,drug cartels” I think trying to say ”This is racist” shows Sanctomonius ignorance..

Martin Davis
Martin Davis
3 years ago
Reply to  Geoff Cox

When Trump’s says ‘Mexico sends’, the only possible interpretation is some sort of state encouraged migration. You have evidence of this? In any case, there are an estimated 5 million illegal Mexican immigrants in the US. This is who Trump is describing. Tarring with the same brush rather a large number of people, don’t you think?

Pete Kreff
Pete Kreff
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Davis

Tarring with the same brush rather a large number of people, don’t you think?

Sure, but it’s funny that tarring all white people with being privileged oppressors and innately racist doesn’t create such a storm.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Pete Kreff

Yes it does, that is why a candidate for US president should be careful how they use language.

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

At whom is that directed, Trump or Biden – or maybe Hillary with her “Deplorables and Irredeemables” speech?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Krehbiel

Everybody that runs for president.
Trump as a president tweeted that his predecessor (Obama) had Team Seal 6 killed and faked the death of Bin Laden.
Surely you can see the difference?

Pete Kreff
Pete Kreff
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Well, that’s something we agree on.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Pete Kreff

A lot of us white people were not born priveleged but had to work hard to overcome the odds. Some did not manage it. It’s a fallacy. People who talk about white privelege only look at certain people. We do have a good country that millions want to come to but it was the people of the country who made it like that. As an orphan I slipped through the cracks but I still see that the country is basically fair and compassionate.

Pete Kreff
Pete Kreff
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Quite right. But some people are unable to admit or accept that the country is generally decent, because that would mean there’s no need to reimagine society entirely.

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Davis

I believe that the Mexican government has published pamphlets and broadcast videos demonstrating how their people can evade US border security. So yes, if my understanding is correct, it is state encouraged migration, or at least it was at the time of this education on the breaking of US law. And Peter Kreff, you make an excellent point about the varying responses.

D Ward
D Ward
3 years ago
Reply to  Geoff Cox

It’s never stopped the left in the UK from selectively quoting part of Mrs T’s ” They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there’s no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours” speech.

And what’s more, they have no intention ever of putting their six-word “precis” into context.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Last Jacobin

You’ve left out “They don’t send their best…”

BTW, the President of Mexico has refused to join the stampede to congratulate the corrupt fraudster before the legal processes have been completed.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

“…legal processes have been completed.”
As of now Trump’s legal cases have been thrown out in GE, AZ, NV. 1 case has been approved in PEN.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Judicial activists. There will be appeals to higher courts and eventually they will get to judges who are not judicial acitivists but constitutional lawyers who uphold the law and the constitution.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

“Judicial activists. ” How do you know that? I am pretty sure that you DO NOT understand anything about law or the Constitution.
Your default position is “I don’t like it so it must be wrong”.

Last Jacobin
Last Jacobin
3 years ago

In the same club as Russia, China and Brazil, in that regard.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago

So has Putin and China as it happens for the same reason. The Legal must be sorted first.

daniellemciver
daniellemciver
3 years ago
Reply to  Frank James

Precisely.👌🏻

David Bell
David Bell
3 years ago

The last four and more years of politics in the USA can be summed up in one act, Nancy Pelosi ripping up the State of the Union speech in January 2020. It sent out a very clear signal, “we only accept democracy when we win”.

It is clear that a Pelosi House of Representatives will want revenge on Trump and his family and anyone who worked with him. Expect endless hearing into Trump, his business, his tax affairs, his family connections, etc. No stone will be left unturned in the search for dirt to throw at him.

If Biden is truly serious about ending the division he needs to declare now that he will not assist in any house investigations into Trump and that he will pardon anyone who is investigated, no matter what is found. It will take an unambiguous act like this to start the process of constructive engagement. If he doesn’t he will go down in history as one of the most ineffectual Presidents of all time because the Senate will obstruct every legislative program he puts forward just for the hell of it!

Red Asp
Red Asp
3 years ago

It took Al Gore over thirty days before he conceded victory to Bush because his own legal challenges were being churned over by due process. Why is it the main media outlets are pretending it’s all over?

About fifteen minutes ago the BBC news channel ran some footage of Trump meeting Obama, within a week of the 2016 result. The implication was that Trump is doing something awful and unheard of by bringing the lawyers in.

For some reason the BBC isn’t mentioning Al Gore’s legal efforts in 2000.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

Gore/Bush was about Florida ONLY.
And Gore had a case to make, NO ONE (certainly not BBC) is stopping Trump from going to courts and making his case. As of now judges in GE, AZ & NV have rejected his cases.
BBC not mentioning Florida 2000 is not deciding the vote.

Red Asp
Red Asp
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

I never it was deciding anything. I was wondering why the BBC is pretending that Trump’s lack of concession is unique. In addition, why all large media outlets are acting ‘as if’ everything is decided when it obviously isn’t.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

they are calling it, they have legally not decided anything because they can not. For example media called Alaska for Trump despite only 50% of the votes have been counted.
I can not speak about BBC but Guardian, FT, NY Times all have referend to the Florida 2000 case.

Red Asp
Red Asp
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

I’m aware they are ‘calling’ it. This is strange. Why are they calling it when it isn’t over? I mean – it’s Florida which is the case in point. Not because it was one state, but because Al Gore was referred to as Mr President-elect for 30+ days before conceding he lost.

I would have thought the MSM would remember this and therefore not be referring to Biden in this way. Wouldn’t it be more sensible to ‘call it’ – but also to remind everyone what happened in 2000?

Is there any benefit from pretending Trump’s lack of an early concession is unique to him?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

“I’m aware they are ‘calling’ it. This is strange. Why are they calling it”
Because they think it is a closed deal. You might not agree but you are entitled to do so.
Nothing new here BTW. That is what media does. Just like it called Brexit before the official count.

Red Asp
Red Asp
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Yes – but you are not answering my question. I am aware the MSM is calling it. And yes – they are doing it because they think it’s a done deal. *Thats’s* the point.

Why do they think it’s a done deal when it isn’t? Have they forgot Al Gore being referred to as Mr President-elect for 30+ days before he conceded he lost?

I mean, the MSM could still ‘call it’ – as it looks done – yet remind people that things can change later. I’m just curious why, for example the BBC, is pretending that Trump’s lack of an early concession is unique to him.

If the BBC did mention, a – Al Gore’s lack of an early concession, and b – that 2000 shows how things could change, then Trump wouldn’t look so sad and stupid by calling in the lawyers. I’m suspicious that the BBC actually *wants* to offer a false picture of reality.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

“..remind people that things can change later.” – media has not reported that Trump is taking legal action in certain states?

Red Asp
Red Asp
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

No, I’m referring to the 30+ days that Al Gore was described as Mr president-elect before he lost. I think that should be a lesson for the MSM – don’t you?

The problem is, by not learning how a candidate can be humiliated if it’s called for him too soon, Biden risks humilation, and so does the MSM. Usually the media outlets like to claim they were right.

I think it’s all very strange that the MSM is risking the wrath of many Dem supporters. they will certainly want to know why the MSM called it so soon – especially given the humiliation of Gore in 2000 when he was ‘Mr President-elect’ for 30+ days before conceding he lost.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

And if you are right MSM will be humiliated. Get out the popcorn and enjoy the show.

Red Asp
Red Asp
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Indeed. I have been enjoying it. I hope Trump fails in his attempt to win by legal goings-on. If he succeeds the howling at the sky from Biden fans will be almost too much to bear.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

If he were to succeed, the military wings of the Democrat Party would burn the whole place down. What judge is going to risk that? First rule of the Law: there is no justice.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

Is this the latest Q Anon theory?

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

There is no justice is what pupil masters teach their pupils on their first day in Chambers.

tiffeyekno
tiffeyekno
3 years ago

It certainly is not. The first thing taught is how to work the photocopier, the kettle and the Archbold index.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

We have to accept it is a media coup. They made their announcement just as Giuliani was about to give his press conference. Before that the Dems had been telling us there would be no announcement until later this week. That press conference had to be drowned out. Just like the Laptop from Hell.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago

Media announce a win and countries congratulate Biden. Russia, Brazil and China have refrained until full legal process.

Sam McLean
Sam McLean
3 years ago

They made their announcement just as Giuliani was about to give his press conference.

Surely that would be benficial to the Trump campaign?

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Sam McLean

How on earth was it an advantage to get no coverage at all for the allegations and the witnesses? It was a huge advantage to the fraudsters because it covered up their misdoings, again.

The media monolith was focusing on the announcement it had just made, not on Giuliani. That was the intention, and premature though the announcement was, and unconstitutional, they gambled on getting away with it and making it a fait accompli.

Not a single state has elected the fraudsters yet, and the Electoral Colleges have not met. But a few media billionaires have pretended otherwise, to cover up the fraud.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

Have you only just discovered BBC fake news?

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Really ALL Opinion polls said Remain had Won a Landslide,Even Farage fell for it..Psychologically everyone loves a winner,So why not destroy All Polls now are suspect..it should be =6% either way not =3%

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

The BBC and Sky started saying “baseless” and “without evidence” far too soon to be credible. They have never before said that about allegations. More often than not they are reported with glee as fact. The Steele dossier for example.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago

Sky news Australia differ. They know what is going on.

Michael Cowling
Michael Cowling
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Conrad

Which is that Rupert is having an each way bet?

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
3 years ago

It’s the same in the US. It’s very doubtful to me that they even looked for possible evidence before declaring them baseless. And good point about Gore, Red Asp.

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

Well. We all know the BBC.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Red Asp

Al B/Gore has made Billions from Green new Deal & lying on ”Scientific data”

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper
3 years ago

I am most struck by how quickly the idea vanished that American politics would have to change tack in response to the continued level of support for Donald Trump. In just a few days the Democrats and their media have decided they can just rewind four years and pretend it never happened.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Cooper

One argument made is that Trump has a unique connection with the voters, and I think it is true – sad but true.
Would Trumpism survive without Trump? Especially since Trump was unable to deliver on his promises (Better and cheaper healthcare).

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Trump delivered on more of his promised than any leader in living memory, with the possible exception of Thatcher. And he has actually brought down the cost of dugs and enforced the up-front pricing of all procedures by the insurance companies. (There is a name for this but I can’t remember it.)

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Never upset Big Pharma or Big Tech or Big Money or Big Media. You will be toppled.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Trump delivered on more of his promised than any leader in living memory,

Did he reform the immigration systems?
Did he repeal and replace Obamacare
Did he balance the budget?
Did he release his tax returns?
Did he build the wall with Mexico’s money?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

so not delivering on all means not delivering on any?

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

The tax cut was Paul Ryan’s policy not Trump. He simply signed the bill.
He boosted (and he did that) the economy with a massive tax cut paid by borrowing money.
I am still waiting for the tax returns to be published!

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

And? It was delivering on something he said would be delivered. I’m far more interested in the tax returns of veteran members of Congress, and how a salary of less than 200K in one of America’s most expensive cities creates multi-millionaires.

The tax cut doesn’t “borrow money.” Who’s it borrowing from? It’s people keeping more of what they earn.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

I am not asking what you are interested in or not. You are entitled to that position. I am simply asking the president to honor his word. He promised the American people (that is me BTW) that he was going to publish his tax returns. 4 years later…nothing!
Surely a man like you that claims to be principled would demand the same thing?

“Who’s it borrowing from?” – Future generations of Americans. Do i have to explain you how fiscal policy (budget) works?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

“Who’s it borrowing from?” – Future generations of Americans.
Uh, no. Me keeping more of what I earn is just that. Future generations are no more entitled to my income than is the present generation.

Since you don’t understand fiscal policy, you’re not going to be able to explain it well. In a nutshell, though, money in has to be equal to or greater than money out. No one ever looks at the money out, which is always rising. Every home and business knows to cut spending when necessary, yet the federal govt acts as if it’s exempt from that.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

“yet the federal govt acts as if it’s exempt from that.”

Trump is the president, he signed the bill. He could have demanded the cuts. He did not. Therefore Trump is responsible.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

So Obama is responsible for the debt doubling on his watch, right? I did not realize that presidents were basically emperors.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Of course he is, did I say he was not? But there is a difference. Obama had to deal with the crash. Trump has to deal with C19. That is WHY i keep pointing out the deficits pre-C19 – not the current one.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

The crash was not an eight year event. Besides, this began with Trump and the number of promises delivered. No president delivers on all; he’s delivered on quite a few. Obama delivered on health care, for better or worse.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

I gave you the list of things he has not delivered. He can deliver the tax returns…and still nothing.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Each government in the ”Great Reset;;(Davos 2020 on youtube) has mortgaged Not Just our Grandchildren,but Our great,great grandchildren..

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Alex Lekas, that’s a good point. But it would be helpful to know how many of them entered as multimillionaires. Probably quite a few did, and so they would have to be separated from those who entered as relative paupers, and became very rich while “serving” in Congress.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Leadership?

Tony Conrad
Tony Conrad
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Cooper

The battle is basically between good and evil in the USA. Same as the UK.

daniellemciver
daniellemciver
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Cooper

That’s how sociopaths respond, exactly.

Jeffrey Chongsathien
Jeffrey Chongsathien
3 years ago

1) It’s quite clear that the amount of Democrat voter fraud has been shocking, and enough to sway the (yet to be determined) outcome. How the country that produced Microsoft, Apple and Google has the voting mechanisms of a third world banana republic is unbelievable (not that the UK is any better, with our pencils and black/Muslim (not Oriental) postal fraud).
2) I’ve been saying that I think the US need to partition, as India and Pakistan did, into the Republic of Woke-istan and the United States of America… and I’m not joking. Also, I’d be very surprised if this election didn’t excite talks of Texas secession from The Union. Already there’s gossip about federal mask mandates – that’ll drive the wedge further.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

1) it is not clear at all. Trump has provided (in court not Twitter) no evidence for that.
2) Woke-istan pays the bill, it is not Montana that contributes to the Federal budget or US technological dominance.

rosie mackenzie
rosie mackenzie
3 years ago

Big Tech has been to the fore in rigging the election through censorship. They are still at it. The voting mechanisms have also been manipulated by technology – “glitches”. It isn’t all manual tampering with the ballots.

The lesson we must learn is that postal voting is open to widespread fraud – we already knew from Birmingham, Tower Hamlets, and Peterborough etc – and we must do away with it except for seriously disabled people.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

Postal Votes for Shift Workers,Infirm,people on holiday or business.. I think i got 24 Postal votes out of 389 in 2019 GE ..even though i’d said Postal fraud is a danger in mulitiple occupancy

Alan Thorpe
Alan Thorpe
3 years ago

For views on American politics, in fact on anything, I turn to Thomas Sowell. He said of Obama that he prevented Jimmy Carter being the worst president ever, but I think that was before Trump. He said of Obama and Trump that he reached for the off switch when either appeared on TV.

He said recently: “If the election goes to Biden there’s a good chance that the Democrats will then control the two branches of Congress and the White House. And considering the kinds of things that they’re proposing, that could well be the point of no return for this country.”
“What is frightening is how many people in responsible positions are caving into every demand that is made, repeating any kind of nonsense that you’re supposed to repeat. I do believe that we may well reach a point of no return. I hope that, of course, will never happen. But there is such a thing as a point of no return. The Roman empire overcame many problems in its long history but eventually it reached a point where it could no longer continue on, and much of that was from within, not just the barbarians attacking from outside.”
He also said that Democrats pushing the concept of systemic racism in the U.S. reminded him of the propaganda tactics of the Nazis.

Nobody gets to the true like Dr Sowell and at 90 he has experienced more than most.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Alan Thorpe

Yes, Thomas Sowell is a great man. Everyone should check out his interviews. For those who don’t know, he is a black academic who was among the first to see through all the progressive lies and nonsense, many decades ago.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
3 years ago
Reply to  Alan Thorpe

“Point of no Return”- Maybe thats why, a few days ago, a vision entered
my mind. My memory brought up the picture from years back when Krushchev banged his shoe on the lecturn at the UN and told the USA that their grandchildren will live under communism.

Robin Lambert
Robin Lambert
3 years ago