The truth is out there: Eamonn Holmes and his wife and co-presenter, Ruth Langsford. (Photo by Karwai Tang/Getty Images For Red Bull Air Race)
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Dear Eamonn,
We’ve never met, but we do have a connection. We’ve both lived in the same house on Heathbank Road in Stockport. The Sweets moved out in 1983; you moved in about three years later when you started working at BBC Manchester. Coincidence? Well, yes. Even David Icke would have trouble drawing a sinister line between those two dots. But it’s a coincidence that means whenever I clock you on the telly, I think of my mum and dad.
I thought of them this week, when I saw you on ITV, sharing the contents of your inquiring mind. I found myself remembering a taxi ride I took with my mum in September 2017. We were going to visit my dad after his cancer operation, and the driver wanted to tell us why he’d voted for Brexit. The EU, he said, was a secret plot to re-establish Nazi rule across the continent, and it had to be stopped. As you might appreciate, this wasn’t what either me or my mum wanted to hear at this moment. After we came back from the hospital I rang the cab firm to ask them never to send that driver to us again — rather, I suppose, as hundreds of people rang your employer this week to complain about you.
Let’s remind ourselves of what happened, shall we? On the Easter Monday edition of This Morning, your reporter Alice Beer was debunking one of the more exotic problems of the current crisis — the spate of attacks on 5G phone masts, carried out, it would seem, by people who believe them to be exacerbating or even facilitating the spread of Covid-19. You agreed emphatically with Alice, so I think we can assert that you don’t really believe that a virus can be transferred from bats to humans via radio waves. But the caveat you issued did leave some room for doubt. “What I don’t accept,” you said, doing that stern look I think you may have copied from Huw Edwards, “is mainstream media immediately slapping that down as not true when they don’t know it’s not true … it’s very easy to say it is not true because it suits the state narrative.”
I detect several problems here. The first is the idea that there is any measurable distance between you and the mainstream media. Eamonn, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you are the mainstream media. You are to television what the individually-wrapped Weetabix is to a hotel breakfast bar — always present, whether requested or not, and rarely the subject of a strong opinion.
The second problem resides in that little cluster of negatives with which you adumbrate your position on the limits of knowledge. There are, I suppose, an infinite number of things that we don’t know are not true. We don’t know, for instance, that you are not a homunculus operated by a highly-trained owl, though we would be suspicious of anybody who suggested this was a question that merited investigation. It’s harder, however, to push a proposition about corona and the phone signal into this category — or, indeed, any proposition about the health dangers of 5G — because, unlike the possibility that you are a bird-driven human simulacrum, science has already chewed this over very thoroughly, and found no evidence that any such dangers exist.
So I wonder why you said this? Perhaps you read a May 2019 piece in the Daily Mail, quoting the research of the Californian academic who described 5G as a “massive public health experiment”. (But, not, I’d guess, the subsequent article in Scientific American that concluded that his work “pivots on fringe views and fatally flawed conjecture, attempting to circumvent scientific consensus with scaremongering.”) Maybe you’ve been monitoring the Twitter feed of Piers Corbyn, the meteorologist brother of the former Labour leader, through which he shares his view that Bill Gates and George Soros have faked the corona pandemic as part of their bid to surveil the world’s population with 5G and cull it with vaccines.
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SubscribeAh yes, ‘conspiracy thinking’ and ‘crazy talk.’ Bad things, I’m sure we can all agree. But the question, surely, is how to distinguish genuine ‘crazy talk’ fromhard but legitimate questions which authories do not want asked. And, concurrently, how to tell whether journalists are doing their job of asking those questions, or whether they are shilling for the government’s official line on any issue?
To take one example: asking whether the virus originated in a Chinese lab has, curiously, been dismissed by official sources since the start of the outbreak as ‘crazy talk.’ And indeed by this writer. But is it crazy to ask this question, given what we know about the proximity of the Wuhan virus lab to the ‘wet market’ which the Chinese government tells us is the source of the virus, and the known shoddy safety standards at that lab? Should we blithely trust the assurances of a totalitarian state, and dismiss those who challenge it as a nutters? The Washington Post, not generally known for its conspiracist ravings, doesn’t seem to think so:
https://www.washingtonpost….
Genuine conspiratorial nonsense – faked moon landings, Bilderbeg lizards and the like – needs to be separated from hard questions which go against the official grain. Otherwise journalists, like this writer, end up being useful idiots for power. I’m still old enough to remember the fake Iraq War dossier that all the mainstream journalists lapped up, whilst laughing at the ‘crazy talk’ which suggested it might be cooked up. Be careful that your smug dismissals do not make you a stooge.
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they leverage the suspecion of authority. Sadly, then journalists and experts try to battle them with more authority, confirming the theory.
Most of the conspiracy theories start with a grain of scientific truth. In the 5g case the relation between the 60GHz frequency & oxygen energy absorbtion is real. You have to understand a lot about mobile phones, e.g. the eternal quest to reduce energy consumption to extend battery life, frequency hopping, as well as signal range that even if operators were silly enough to use this exact frequency, the amount of energy involved makes it extremely unlikely to be harmful. Visible light is made of exactly the same stuff as 5G radiation but contains way more energy. However, this is a complex story that would require more text than people want to read. So what remains is that 5G heats up oxygen molecules and that can’t be good?
The general reaction of journalists is to talk to a few scientists, read a few popular articles, and then tell that the people should accept their authority on these complex issues. Which then confirms the conspiracy theorists suspicions that the main stream media is in on this. Does the author of this article really understands what electro magnetic radiation is, what a phase array antenna is? His authority is delegated, confirming the story.
To attack these conspiracy theorists I think we need to take them more seriously, especially the people that believe them. They have valid concerns and belong to groups that have drawn the short stick in history.
However, somehow we need to show how incredibly unlikely their theories are. Their money & political motives don’t make human sense. The also frequently require a capacity for silence that is beyond human ability.
However, you can only make this clear if people trust you. And the talking class has done a lot of things in the last 50 years to erode that trust.
And we need to teach our kids more science and less woke nonsense.
The blanket refusal to accept that conspiracies exist is an anti-conspiracy theory conspiracy theory in itself.
Of greater concern than individuals thinking unorthodox thoughts is surely the Groupthink mentality that this virus lockdown has exposed. The widespread gullibility re the fake message from PHE last week is just one example of the hysteria that has infected the populace. I would suggest that thinking more and believing less is generally a good way forward. Oh, and not asserting your power over people with whom you disagree. Argument is better.
I do not agree with your view. Comparing people warning about the dangers of 5G with conspiracy theorsts might make them look ridiculous, but is certainly not a scientific approach. It has been well known for many years (but generally suppressed) that children living close to cell phone towers have high rates of leukaemia. Listen to Frank Clegg, former president of Microsoft Canada (https://www.youtube.com/wat…, as well as many scientists who are warning of genetic damages, neurological disorders and changes to the reproductive system. I would suggest that you look into this for fairness’ sake.
Thank you. He talks about facts as if they were conjecture. He’s not mentioning facts because he cannot dispute them. “Hey everyone pay no mind to the man behind the curtain. Nothing to see there.”. …”Who told you there was a man? That’s just crazy talk.”
Mr Holmes would have avoided all this opprobrium if he had merely quoted Christopher Hitchens: “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
There are a lot of silly conspiracy theories the media mock. There are silly conspiracy theories the media buy into – Trump as a Russian agent is one that comes to mind. There are in-plain-sight conspiracies the media ignore; eg the Biden family alleged corrupt dealing with Ukraine somehow turned into an impeachment of Trump for raising it with the Ukrainean PM(!). There are things that harm health that governments deny – BSE comes to mind. Obviously 5G masts spreading Covid-9 is silly, but some people conspire and it’s silly to dismiss all conspiracy theories without consideration – that’s what the CIA want you to do! 😀
Wasn’t BSE the other way round? The governmental agencies thought it was a disaster unrolling and in reality not much happened?
Initially the government – Gummer – was feeding burgers to their kids to show no threat!
Like y2k… nothing ” happened” because a lot of work was done by a lot of people to make sure it did not.
The multiculturalist/globalist politics of officialdom, ie all government agencies/media/banking/academia/law firms/big tech, global commerce generally, mass marketed as Diversity/’anti-racism’, are identical. Which is no more than to recognise a coalition of interests against nationhood and the loyalties of ordinary Europeans, what David Goodhart has characterised as somewheres v anywheres. It doesn’t follow that all these entities are actively conspiring but that doesn’t alter the fact that global plutocrats and governments are advancing the same anti-national, feminist, homosexualist anti-family political agenda. Perhaps a demoralised populace with no shared loyalties, no ties greater than to their soaps / football is as congenial to the mandarin classes as the purveyors of bread and circuses. It’s not so much of a leap to discern the same vested interests behind the virus alarmism as a pretext for imposition of communism/corporatism in the form of CCP style social credit. There’s no shortage of virologist/ epidemiologists questioning the official orthodoxy. Needless to add such sceptical voices are given no more airtime than their ‘climate’ counterparts. Whether one describes it as ‘conspiracy’ is otiose in respect to the facts.
It’s a bit disappointing to find articles so unquestioningly supportive of the official narrative as this at Unherd, not what I look for at this site at all.
While I agree with the author that a virus cannot be transmitted by Electromagnetic Radiation in any frequency range, there are two quite important points which suggest Eammon Holmes was right to say there is no evidence that radiation from 5G masts is harmless.
Without getting technical (who’s got time to read a technical explanation,) 5G is a much higher intensity of radiation than previous cellular or radio / TV frequencies and as everybody knows radiation is harmful (anyone no heard of Chenobyl? Or Hiroshima? Different circumstances but electromagnetic radiation harmed living tissue all the same. It isn’t the strength of radio activity alone, it’s the strength * the duration, so a low dose for a long period can be more damaging than a short sharp blast. Look up Banana Equivalent Does if you don’t believe me.
OK, eating even a hundred bananas a day is not going to give you coronavirus, but bombardment with radiation is known to harm the immune system, which would make people more vulnerable to virus infection.
Secondly, in the 1980s and 90s there were long running arguments about whether cellphones caused brain damage. The phone companies, which were making millions from sales and subscriptions denied it, governments, which were making billlions from selling operators’ licences backed them.
Years later it was admitted that yes, walking around with your mobile phone clamped to your ear all day could cause permanent harm. No problem, we could easily be safe by taking a few simple precautions, limit usage, use a hands free set contained in an insulating case, that kind of thing.
We are going down the same road now with 5G and many doctors and researchers are questioning the wisdom of this. So Alice Beer was merely parroting corporate prop[aganda and in my habitually sceptical opinion Eammon was right to question her. He could have phrased his response better, but even I am not sceptocal enough to think This Morning is entirely scripted and who among us has never phrased a spontaneous response poorly.
Whatever…anyone who watches any of the ‘fraudcasters’ (thank you to Mayhar Tousi for that one) deserves to have their intelligence insulted.
Love how the hyper-rational instantly dismiss whatever enters their narrowed eyes and throttled ears if the new information falls outside their knowledge and experiences. Yet, these same people are the ones who are never around when a conspiracy theory turns out to be true. For instance, here’s a new conspiracy theory that looks more true every day …. the SARS COVID-19 virus likely escaped from a bio-lab in Wuhan China. The evidence continues building to verify this crazy conspiracy theory. Two months ago, people like the author would have mocked and ridiculed the suggestion that COVID-19 originated or escaped from a bio-lab. Always remember, Christianity at 1 billion plus followers, started as a cult of crazy nut-jobs ranting on and on about a crucified Jewish pauper.
Yes, there is increasing mainstream acceptance that the virus somehow escaped from the Wuhan Lab. And at the very least it was always a plausible explanation. Yet Tom Cotton, the Rep senator. was ridiculed across the US media for saying this at least two months ago. And the website ZeroHedge had their Twitter account suspended when they suggested this explanation at the same time. Most of the time, the MSM and the big tech companies are as wicked as they are wrong.
Surely there is room for debate, whether you agree with him or not. I thought this site was all about freedom of speech and thought.
Conspiracy theories are essentially egomaniacal in nature. They’re all out to get ME.
An excellent example of presenters profiting from the National dumbing down of the UK media.
“After we came back from the hospital I rang the cab firm to ask them never to send that driver to us again ” “….really? really? You shat on the cabbie to his superiors…ponderous
Beautifully written excision of the tumour of Illuminati thinking. Kudos to you Matthew, and thanks.
Meanwhile the media remains strangely quiet about where Internet signals are routed and through which nations servers.
The French for example harvest data on defence projects.
Many of the comments have noted the problem of dual strands of “conspiracy” thinking hinted at in Matthew’s comments about Woodward/Bernstein and similar. What Qassim rightly saw as an epistemic problem i think applies to the wacko end of the spectrum ie the Corbyn Bros with their blood libel and fourth reiche nonsense. This is the realm of the untestable, contrast this with the effects of 30-300ghz microwave radiation (probably not a problem) and the fact that <20 UK residents with SARS-Cov2 symptoms but no underlying health issues have died so far (def a problem considering the economic cost of these deaths). Both these phenomena could be researched, analysed and tested. Its the world of Post Normal Science that gives invesitagation of CFR stats the same intellectual value as pretending the protocols of the elders of Zion is a true Jewish conspiracy. This modern day Lysenkoism has only just started to make itself felt. Much more harm will be done before the world feels the cold slap of sobriety like that following the end of WW2
Anybody who wants a doctor’s view, have a look at Dr Buttar’s interview, who confirms the concern of Eamon Holmes: https://www.youtube.com/wat…. These are the facts.