This piece was first published in 2019.
My book Hillbilly Elegy is really an exploration of the American Dream as it was experienced by me and my family and the broader community in which I lived.
It chronicled a real decline in the American Dream, not because people weren’t consuming as much as they have in the past – if you look at the trend lines, we’re certainly able to buy more stuff today than we ever have been able to. It’s a story about family decline, childhood trauma, opioid abuse, community decline, decline of the manufacturing sector, and all these senses of dignity and purpose and meaning that comes along with it.
When I was growing up, what the American Dream meant to me was that I had a decent enough job to support my family, and I could be a good husband and a good father. That’s what I most wanted out of my life. It wasn’t the American Dream of ‘the striver’. It wasn’t the American Dream, frankly, that I think animates much of Washington DC. I didn’t care if I went to Ivy League law school, I didn’t care if I got a best-selling book, I didn’t care if I had a lot of money. What I wanted was to be able to give my family and my children the things I hadn’t had as a kid.
That was the sense in which the American Dream mattered most to me. Now, that American Dream is undoubtedly in decline, what should a conservative politics do in response? I think a first and preliminary step is that we have to distinguish between conservative politics and libertarian politics.
I don’t mean to criticise libertarianism. I first learned about conservatism as an idea from Friedrich Hayek – The Road to Serfdom is one of the best books that I’ve ever read about conservative thought. But I believe that conservatives have outsourced our economic and domestic policy thinking to libertarians, and because that’s such a loaded word, and because labels mean different things to different people, I want to define it as precisely as I can.
What I’m going after is this view that so long as public outcomes and social goods are produced by free individual choices, we shouldn’t be too concerned about what those goods ultimately produce. An example: in Silicon Valley, it is common for neuroscientists to make much more at technology companies like Apple or Facebook, where I think they quite literally are making money addicting our children to devices and applications that warp their brains, than folks who are neuroscientists trying to cure Alzheimer’s. I know a lot of Libertarians who will say ‘Well, that is the consequence of free choices. That is the consequence of people buying and selling labour on an open market, and so long as there isn’t any government coercion in that relationship, we shouldn’t be so concerned about it.’
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SubscribeGood piece. I think many of us have got into the habit of saying, “It’s the individual’s fault” without recognising that none of us lives in a vacuum and we are all shaped by our cultural environment. So yes, why not try to re-shape that environment for the good of society, even if it means limiting the freedom of individuals to indulge in destructive, anti-social choices activities. Perhaps it’s time that the good of society takes precedence over an individual’s freedom.
Define “the good of society”. Nobody agrees what that is. And therein is the problem. Please, please read Hayek’s “The Fatal Conciet”. Your “perhaps it’s time” sentiment is the road to slavery.
Define “the good of society”. Nobody agrees what that is. And therein is the problem. Please, please read Hayek’s “The Fatal Conciet”. Your “perhaps it’s time” sentiment is the road to slavery.
Good piece. I think many of us have got into the habit of saying, “It’s the individual’s fault” without recognising that none of us lives in a vacuum and we are all shaped by our cultural environment. So yes, why not try to re-shape that environment for the good of society, even if it means limiting the freedom of individuals to indulge in destructive, anti-social choices activities. Perhaps it’s time that the good of society takes precedence over an individual’s freedom.
Excellent article. Staggering that it needs pointing out though – the idea that if everyone is just left to make their own choices this would somehow lead to a successful societal outcome is a fairytale – it ignores the reality of being human. There has to be some form of community influence, enough to prevent most of the harms but not too much too stifle the benefits of freedom.
Its quite remarkable that we actually have to state that there should be criteria, outside of market efficiency, by which we judge the success of our societies. And there is perhaps a commonality here between ideas on the left and the (non neoliberal) right – that we should decide the kind of society we want first, and only make the choices about how this is to be achieved second.
That is, after all, politics. Leaving it to a free market, always assumed to be benign, is the abdication of politics.
There actually haven’t been any successful societies, at least for a few thousand years. They all became victims of the same attributes that made them appear successful for a time.
Depends how you measure success. Longevity of a recognisably intact culture? So, how about China?
Plenty of new metrics do exist, often experimental, but they tend to remain at the door of the Treasury.
“We know that young adults are marrying less….” I am at least doing my bit here – I’ve been married a heap of times!
I think you perhaps have to have come from the kind of background Vance himself comes from to realise how completely lame this sounds. But then how many kids from that kind of background actually grow up to have any kind of a voice.
I read Hillbilly Elegy, and I agree with a number of Vance’s policy positions.
But his childhood suffering, which he barely escaped, can be squarely placed on the shoulders of his irresponsible and unstable mother.
I know of no government policy that could ameliorate that situation, especially considering how many have tried. Certainly banning pornography or social media would do very little.
If you remove the nods to libertarianism, and references to conservatism, it would actually be hard to place this piece on the left or the right.
By left, of course, I mean the old style left that cared about ordinary people and wanted to make their lives better. Not the modern left, with its woke obsessions and visceral dislike of working class people.
The image of the modern left you present is a figment of your imagination. I have not met or seen anyone who would fit in that category.
Nearly every student, attending any selective university and who’s comfortable with expressing their political views, would absolutely fit that description, as would virtually all of their professors.
I just spent a weekend in the company of a dozen highly-educated financially-secure coastal elites who all met to vacation together in a scenic spot in rural Arkansas where none had ever before visited. The entire time was punctuated by elitist jokes at the expense of the local people whose relative lack of education, peculiar accent, and “hillbilly” culture my “friends” found both contemptible and sneeringly hilarious. Ironically, the locals were exceptionally welcoming, courteous, and tidy, treating us always with respect and hospitality. I have never heard any of these elites utter a single disparaging remark about the hideously lazy, dishonest, discourteous, aggressive, and slovenly urban poor that populate the coastal cities where they live. My experience is not an isolated phenomenon. The contempt of elites for rural working-class people is easily found in both news and entertainment media and is epitomized by Hillary Clinton’s term for them: deplorables.
Where do you live?
Perhaps you may find a mirror to be useful in your search.
Look in the mirror, Mr Mahmood.
I read this and was puzzled too, apart from the connotations of church and a non-working parent, which are mentioned as general social goods not concrete policies, I would say this was an article written by someone on the statist, interventionist, collectivist left. (And I write as someone who would formerly have pinned the tail on anti-authoritarian left of the political donkey, before the Overton window moved way beyond that ass’ ass).
One characteristic of the “new right” is that by embracing nativism, however horrible that is to the authoritarian left, it is otherwise a doppelganger of identitarian collectivist ideas, just with a slight variation in the beneficiary group.
Vance uses the word “community” six times in this short article.
Would that UnHerd would occasionally platform a writer who avoids either of these camps.
Exactly what went through my mind. Such ideas, notably a few decades ago, could have been more from the left, or Lasch. Worth restating, as in JDs arresting book, but more is needed – notably on wider policy and geostrategic risk at pivotal points: it’s a complex chess board out there with a lot of sunk cost and risks ahead. I guess we’ll hear more.
I disagree with your description of the modern left as completely consumed by woke politics and being without any interest in working people (and the implication thereby that the right cares more about working people). If we look at the policies of Labour governments, especially those of Blair and Attlee (too early to tell for Starmer though there are promising signs), there’s far more evidence of redistribution that has helped ordinary people in many areas across a long history (Attlee’s establishment of the NHS, Blair’s successful spending increases on the NHS, on education, vast improvements in the warming and weatherproofing of social housing, Gordon Brown’s Sure Start program etc) than there are for Conservative governments, or have I read the record wrong?
As to identity politics as elitist – at the level of high politics I do think that’s often the case. I heard an interview with Norman Finkelstein where he said that although identity politics (caring about the women’s movement, the civil rights movement etc) is a part of being on the left, today leftist movements based on gender or race (like BLM) are quickly coopted by the right so they can virtue signal as a cover for class warfare.
In all examples it’s the replacement of class with identity as a central concern which magically allows the economic elite to attack progressives whilst still looking progressive themselves. Finkelstein gave the example of how Bernie Sanders’ campaign (hugely resonant with the population for offering genuinely redistributive policies such as taxes on extreme wealth, investment in public services etc) was criticised (by woke and ostensibly leftist) outlets like the New Yorker for neglecting the issue of reparations for black communities, when it should be clear that his policies, like higher wages, more affordable housing and cheaper health care etc, would have done so much more for the (disproportionately poor) black population of the US than one-off reparation payments. That was when Finkelstein said he realised woke was right-wing, a mere cover for economic elites to continue neglecting ordinary people.
Another nauseating example would be Jeff Bezos giving $10m to Black Lives Matter (when obviously just paying his workers properly would do so much more for black people in the US, who are a disproportionate part of Amazon’s warehouse workforce) as well as the $100m he gave to the Obama Foundation. Why? As life insurance. When the country-wide strikes happen across Amazon warehouses, whose side can Obama realistically take when he has $100m of Bezos’ cash? So, like you perhaps (?), while I think identity politics is something to get behind at grassroots level, class has to stay front and centre of any campaign aiming to materially benefit working people.
As to Trump’s record on helping ordinary people, I have not seen any evidence. Vance sounds dangerous and authoritarian on some issues (his view of Britain facing an Islamic takeover sounds far-fetched and unnecessarily divisive), although his less hawkish approach to Gaza might actually make his potential presidency better for Muslims worldwide (and, I would actually argue for Israelis too, given the increased volatility that US involvement only ever seems to achieve in the Middle East), but his interest in helping working people seemed genuine when he called in the president of the Teamsters union to give a seventeen minute address at the Republican convention – a remarkable and brave move in the face of such a libertarian donation base (not that libertarians would typically be characterised as in opposition to trade unions if they had the intellectual honesty to admit that the freedom to withdraw your own labour is at least as important as the freedom to withdraw the labour of others i.e for many libertarians to stop working is fine if you’re getting fired, not so fine if you’re doing so in protest.)
I remember when this was last published and thinking it was good. It feels like Vance’s politics have been on a journey – understandable as by the standards of US politicians he’s still young. I totally get that aspect, my politics have changed since having children. I think most people’s do.
objectively accurate, glad to see Vance on the ticket.
Except that he has totally turned round since he wrote this!
He no longer lives for his son!
Have you a link to where he repudiates what he says here?
He (prob through an agent) must have given permission for this to be printed, ie does not repudiate it.
He obviously gave permission for it to be printed originally, but I doubt his permission is needed for the reprint.
I’d be the first to admit that he is better than some of the people who were mentioned in connection with the job (like DeSantis).
Shithead, liberty is what matters. It is why America exists. There is no point to America without liberty. The Revolution may as well not have been fought, and we be the property of Parliament with a powerless figurehead Crown without it. Your desire to rule with an occulted Crozier will not avail you, or stand you in good stead in history.
Your moral panic is as stupid as that seen about comic books, then about Elvis’ pelvis, then about rock music lyrics played backwards, then about Dungeons and Dragons, then about violent video games, then about satanic rituals in tunnels under daycares (where there were no tunnels but there were unjust convictions), then about violent video games again, and somewhere in there there was a moral panic about rock lyrics played forwards (and Dee Snider handed Tipper Gore her a$$ on a platter).
Indeed, liberty is what matters. But there is not much evidence that America is too fond of it, not certainly, as a universally applicable principle. Otherwise how would you explain the enthusiasm in American establishment for the extinction of liberty in Palestine by a bunch of murderous terrorists? See
State of Terror
How terrorism created modern Israel
Thomas Suárez · 2016
So are you saying the things Vance describes here and in his book aren’t really happening? Like the satanic rituals etc. Are you saying he imagined his childhood?
You’re completely trivialising, and presumably have your knickers in a twist over some pet freedom of your own. You need to get out of your basement, literally and figuratively. There are real social problems needing to be addressed which are not just silly moral panics.
I’m sure there are, but they won’t be solved by hankering for some “Happy Days” version of 1950s America which probably never really existed anyway.
….and don’t forget that (shock, clutch pearls) people aren’t having as many children as they used to.
Well, perhaps al lot of those good things Mr. Vance strives for cannot be accomplished by political fiat. But not thwarting and destroying them by political fiat as is often the practice today would be a good start.
This is a much better approach. Many of the problems Vance complains about are unintended consequences of government do-good policies. The drug war, for example, forces people underground where they interact with terrible people selling unreliable products. Get government out of the way and people will flourish. Many more, not everyone, but that’s their choice.
What Vance misses is that Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He need merely look around Washington DC to see how much corruption exists.
Rather, I think we need to be pragmatic. There is no rule written in stone that says government intervention always leads to bad outcomes. Nor any rule saying the reverse. Sometimes governments need to act, sometimes they need to abstain from intervening.
What Vance describes is a situation that needs desperately to be addressed.
True, but there is a general rule that says that if you want something done properly, the government is the worst entity to ask.
Your top 5 favourite examples of British industries that have been privatised (and the consequent benefits they have brought consumes) – go!
I live in Australia, so I am probably the wrong guy to go into specifics about that. Nonetheless, I worked for the Australian Government for a while. Sometimes, it felt like I was on the set of “Yes, Minister”.
Appreciate the honesty. Big clue to the answer though: basically no cases of privatisation, as far as I can see – rail, mail, water, gas, air, housing and even health – have delivered better service for consumers if not immediately then at least in the longer-term (i.e. by now) than when they were under state control. I do get the principle that too much central direction can be a bad way to run services and that the best people to consult are those who are actually involved but it seems to me that companies taking over national industries end up with the inefficient top-down bureaucracy of the state but without any of the democratic accountability or sense of social mission that state organisations are likelier to have, and therefore, in service to their shareholders and in contempt of their customers (whom in many of these cases have no competitor to choose over them) charge extortionate prices for poor outcomes.
This is far better than anything any major politician in the UK is saying. Let’s hope he wins!
While I agree that the government cannot drift too far into libertarianism, attempts at changing individual behavior through government fiat are futile at best, and destructive at worst. The war on drugs has been a prime example of this. Fentanyl is not currently being prescribed legally. The government has no strategy to stop it. Merely saying that the government must stop it isn’t enough.
As for pornography and social media, who is to say where the line between harmful and beneficial is? Would Game of Thrones be considered over the line? What do you remove or disable from Facebook?
Food is another area, where its obvious that people act in their own worst interests. Because someone gets diabetes from drinking too much coke, should we deprive the person who treats themselves to a single coke a week? Cookies, cakes? Where does it end. Government cannot compel people to make good choices. I agree, it must stop enabling them to do so, such as using food stamps to buy obviously unhealthy food.
These debates on government power have existed for thousands of years. The Greeks have many writings on them. I perfect government does not exist. Neither do perfect citizens. The question is, what is the low hanging fruit to improve society, and what causes more harm than good?
Harm is in the eye of the beholder, and responsible adults should be able to make their own choices.
There will always be people who need considerable amounts of supervision, though I find it very hard to believe they’re in the majority.
It’s an insight of game theory that even people making the best decision for themselves can lead to negative social outcomes if everyone does the same. Think cars and congestion.
More prosaically, most of us will give unfair advantages to our children if we can. Even those (think people on the left who send their kids to private school) who in principle don’t believe what they are doing is fair.
Thanks for reposting this. I’m a Libertarian, but I see Mr Vance’s points and agree with many of them. The question is: What political tools do you use to fix these issues?
Either way, I’m not American, but Vice President Vance sounds like it could be good for them!
Interesting. So he asks: “Whom do we serve? Do we serve pure, unfettered commercial freedom? Do we serve commerce at the expense of the public good? Or do we serve something higher? And are we willing to use political power to actually accomplish these things?”. And now he is in thrall to big business and a party who want to strip down government so that they can’t intervene.
This is the chap who at this time considered Trump to be “America’s you-know who (bad person)”. Now he is right up his fundament. Funny old world eh.
Exactly. “Trump is America’s [insert name of toothbrush-moustache German person], but I love him.”
This makes perfect sense. The only problem is that it assumes we know what to do with political power, that we are wise. That has never proven to be the case. Before we had technology and the good life, society focused on striving for virtue. You would think that would be foolproof, but it led to a form of totalitarian rule and millions died.
Evolution has set us on a course that we may try to modify, but ultimately, it’s going to take its course despite us. That is the lesson of libertarianism. So libertarianism is not an answer, it’s just an observation.
Since I have never voted for Trump, but have voted in every primary and general election since 1971 except one, the upcoming general posed a challenge. Now I can vote for JD.
Careful – he has completely repudiated this line of thinking! Not the same guy.
Evidence, please?
Well, his stance on Trump has changed markedly for a start. Vance said some VERY nasty things about Trump back in the day. If he is prepared to backflip on that, he is probably prepared to backflip on anything.
It’s a wonderful piece on how crude society has become over the last thirty years. Better the internet has never been than we ended up like this.
It was always going to go the way of porn, addiction and power, just like everything else that has started off wanting to enrich and benefit mankind.
With other things, being binary meant that you could keep them away from developing minds more easily. The www is a different thing. It has already changed the thinking of a large part of the adult population so children have no chance.
Although you are right, do you really think the elites will give up such a powerful tool without a very nasty fight?
This kind of brain washing in order to manipulate the population has been dreamed of since the sixties.
I’ll stand up to defend libertarians.
Vance makes a sensible sounding appeal: how can it be that smart people be working on stuff and things and not Alzheimer’s research? This might be the free market outcome but how can it be the right outcome?
One of the core insights of libertarianism is that free markets work because they aggregate far more information than it’s possible for any one person to understand. Reality is big and complex and full of hard truths. Back when Vance wrote this, Alzheimer’s research must have seemed to him like the prototypical Good Cause, an initiative of such pure untrammelled virtue that no other goal in life could possibly compare.
But that was 2019. What do we know now in 2024? Well, some of us are now aware of a very nasty and unhappy fact: lots of Alzheimer’s research appears to be fraudulent. Whole lines of research trace back to papers that on close investigation turned out to be full of Photoshopped images. Nor is Alzheimer’s unique in this problem. Rando internet trolls discovered that the output of the Dana-Farber cancer research lab at Harvard was not only riddled with faked data and fraud but had been for over a decade and nobody had noticed.
Ponder the staggering scale of the conspiracy needed for this sort of thing to occur so regularly. And unfortunately a conspiracy is needed. Talk to people who work in university biomedical research off the record and you’ll start to hear mind blowing stories of faking, fraud and intellectual dishonesty. They knew, they have always known and those who tried to blow the whistle discovered it was useless. Many slinked away into the private sector, preferring to work on better advertising tech – useful to merchants at least – than work on a pretty sounding lie.
In other words the market was making the right call. The median app developer was doing more good for the world than the median Alzheimer’s researcher, it just didn’t seem that way because we didn’t want to consider the horrible possibility that maybe people who work on diseases aren’t all angels.
It’s the humility to realize that we don’t have the full picture that leads one to libertarianism. Vance, like Trump, does not have that humility. He is a semi-left wing populist nationalist, much like Le Pen, who sees the One Ring of government and dreams of the good he could whilst wearing it. That is a pity. Here’s to hoping his views evolve again.
You don’t explain why the problem (the conspiracy in Big Science / Big Pharma) can only be solved by libertarianism or why Vance is wrong.
What do you propose is the solution to a massive conspiracy of faked science? Prosecution? It’s a serious question
Let companies fund their own R&D. The problem of faked papers only occurs in academia because in academia production of papers is the end, not the means. Companies must at some point produce something that works because if it doesn’t then customers won’t buy it.
Obviously, healthcare is far from a free market and often the customer is the government, who may buy things even if they don’t work. But usually this is the solution.
Unfortunately prosecution is hard because there isn’t much on the books about academic fraud. You’d need to prosecute as classical fraud, which could work for the most extreme cases (literally faked data) but won’t work for the oceans of pseudo-science that isn’t outright fake but isn’t actually scientific either.
So research on the health risks of tobacco should have been left to the tobacco industry. Likewise lead in petrol. Healthy eating.
So are you saying that in some way the free market knew that 5 years ahead of the rest of us, and in its wisdom diverted resources into using social media to control people’s minds instead?
I think there is a point to be made here – but it’s not that free markets are somehow clairvoyant.
The author is arguing for regulation (by governments), yet he has now gigned up to join an administration that, if it comes into being and if history is any guide, would be loosening, if not removing altogether, the regulations that are in place!
The reason that all the smart people are in tech and not manufacturing is try building a factory in the USA in 2024. You’d need $50 million, a team of lawyers and several years to even start manufacturing something basic like socks. That’s even if you can get the permits to build any sort of industrial thing, or if you can get workers to do any sort of meaningful work, or if the government won’t shut you down for some bizarro meaningless reason, or if the local NIMBYs won’t hold you up for 10 years. Also banks probably won’t lend to you since you’re not a blue chip company with 70 years of history – they’d rather give $500k to Joey Smith to buy 10 square meters of brooklyn property because they know the government is good for it.
Contrast this to building an software application in the US: Tons of money available, the regulations are super light, since it’s online there’s no permits or neighbors to deal with, your market is the world and your cost of distribution is marginal, with most of your expenditure being capex. And ofc, no one will stop you from doing what you want in your software business.
The fundamental reason that people build factories in China and not the USA pretty much boils down to: in China, local governments can literally just give you permission to build as much as you like, where you like, and they’ll give you a road to your factory too, and all permits instantly granted. They’ll even provide you with cheap financing too. How can a US factory really compete with a factory that can be that nimble? Even if the price of labor in China was 10 times more, and they didn’t have much cheaper food and rent than the US, it would still make more sense to build a factory there, and so people do.
The real solution, which is very uncomfortable, is to let industrial projects do what they need to in the US. Yes, that means that there will be air/water/land pollution, and that some houses will need to be removed, mortgages will be more expensive and some people’s view will be spoiled, but that’s the price that society has to pay for good high quality jobs and less poverty.
Anyone who has done any “bricks and mortar” business in China will tell you that what the Chinese government giveth, the Chinese government can taketh away.
The difference being that the UK government only taketh and taketh.
The British government doesn’t come along and say “We don’t like you any more. You’re selling your business to these people we’ve selected to own it”.
I am so disheartened and disappointed that such a high ranking politician should say this – We know that young adults are marrying less — they’re having less children. They’re engaging in healthier and productive relationships less and less,
It should be “they’re having fewer children…”
Oh my god!
If you see JD Vance, you can heckle him on his poor use of English.