I sat down with Rory Stewart for a fascinating discussion about whether politicians should talk about love, whether he got it wrong over Brexit and how Boris Johnson made him feel like an abused wife.
Have a watch!
Some key quotes:
ON THE POLITICS OF LOVE
Fundamentally, it is about showing love for another human being – whoever that human being is. And that means that you need to try to live out your values when you engage with them; and try not to be thrown off balance by the fact that they’re angry with you; try to get beyond your disagreements and try desperately to remember that they are like you. That we’re all an odd bundle of insecurities, vanities, strengths, weaknesses – and that we may do bad things, but that we’re not intrinsically bad people.
It’s not uniquely Christian – you would have it within Islam, you would have it within the Buddhist tradition – but it’s fundamentally predicated on the notion that we are equal in a very profound sense which is that we are all imbued with equal dignity… You could talk about your soul, you could talk about being God-created, in a more contemporary sense you could just talk about being inheritors of this odd thing called consciousness reaching from birth to death, or that we’re fellow sufferers on this funny journey of life…
ON THE HARD BREXITEERS AND CONSERVATISM
You can’t on the one hand be, as Jacob [Rees Mogg] pretends to be, the great romantic traditionalist who loves traditional British institutions, and then be contemptuous of the British parliament, be contemptuous of the supreme court. It’s very worrying that some of the hard Brexiteers start quoting Oliver Cromwell’s response to parliament….
There has obviously been a tension right the way through the Thatcher era, encapsulated in people like John Redwood – is he really a man who is deeply romantic about history, tradition, union, nation, or is he just an extraordinary Vulcan-like free-marketeer? Or is he just somebody he enjoys being a contrarian? He also has peculiar views on Climate Change… obviously my Remainer friends would say its because he’s not bright, but he’s obviously bright, he just seems to be a professional contrarian. I guess the hard Brexiteers must have been professional contrarians for thirty years, that’s what’s kept them going.
ON BEING WRONG ABOUT BORIS SECURING A NEW DEAL
I’ve definitely learned that I was wrong and that my way of analysing that underestimated his ability to do this… I assumed, wrongly, that he would be attached to the DUP. So when people said to me “no no, he’s going to go for an all-Ireland backstop, he’s going to sell out the DUP” I said ‘he can’t do that.”
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