Listen: Ian Birrell on whether China is to blame

Freddie Sayers caught up with Ian Birrell following his UnHerd article about China, and asked — how much is China to blame for this crisis? As a self-described liberal, he was asked if western powers had been too soft on China over the past decades and what the correct post-Covid response should be.

Have a listen above (apologies for the crackly line, we had some internet troubles) …