King Charles should not meet Ngozi Fulani
An overly apologetic monarchy will not survive
On the scaffold at the Banqueting House on 30th January 1649, Charles I is said to have expressed deep remorse for having signed the death warrant of his close ally Thomas Wentworth, Earl of Strafford. He had done so eight years earlier, under great pressure from his enemies in Parliament, in the faint hope that it might mollify them and stabilise the deteriorating political situation. It did not work.
Now, nearly 374 years later, another King Charles has felt compelled to cut loose a courtier in the hope of blunting the assaults of his critics.
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The comparison with Strafford is absurd, of course. And yet I wonder whether there might be a germ of a lesson there for our new King. It was reported on Sunday that he and Queen Camilla have invited Ngozi Fulani for “talks”. If true, this seems to reflect a certain pusillanimity on their part, a willingness to cede a good deal of moral and political ground that does not need to be ceded.
For the Fulani-Hussey kerfuffle is an entirely synthetic “scandal”, initiated and sustained by an individual with a clear ideological agenda. A brief apology for Lady Hussey’s lack of tact would have been more than sufficient. That the Palace does not seem to understand this does not bode well for their ability to weather more serious storms.
More serious storms are certainly coming. Two notable trends point to this. First, the demographic transformation. Britain will become a majority-minority country, with white Britons forming less than 50% of the population, early in William’s reign — and perhaps even in Charles’, given current levels of immigration. Second, the broad and deep cultural radicalism of the rising generations, as well as their vast ignorance of Christianity and our national history. Taken together, these will be used as a battering ram against the sustainability of a Christian hereditary monarchy, buttressed by tradition and pageantry, rooted in the Bad Old Days of whiteness and Empire.
It may be these storms are inevitably terminal, and that 1300 years of Christian monarchy are drawing to a close regardless. But not necessarily. It is not foreordained that my twilight years will be spent watching Mr George Windsor retire to private life while Buckingham Palace becomes a Museum of Colonial Infamy. The royals must find the vigour, the self-confidence and the courage to stand up for the country and its history against those who would tear down the whole edifice in the service of their sterile and resentful ideologies.
There is no certainty of salvation this way, but there is certainty of ignoble defeat if they embrace the alternative — grievance summits and apology tours, political faddism and gradual erosion of state ceremonial; death by a thousand cuts, making endless concessions in the vain hope of appeasing powerful foes. If the monarchy patently does not believe in itself or in the nation, no-one else will. Better to die standing than live on your knees.
Everybody needs to calm down.
Lady Hussey was rude and overbearing (touching a stranger at a social event is just not acceptable) and that needs an apology – so Charles is right to offer this. But on the other hand, Fulani was so clearly on a mission that evening. Out for whatever nugget of controversy she could get which could then be bigged up and smeared all over the brainless media to further the narrative of the racist royal family. If you go to an event looking like you covered yourself in glue before running through Oxfam, people are going to ask questions!
Fulani hasn’t done herself any favours with this. Her charity is going to have scrutinising eyes all over it like a rash. And, at the end of the day, she’s caused the humiliation an elderly lady who was hard of hearing and who messed up a smalltalk situation (haven’t we all had/got that one elderly relative who comes out with something off-colour every now and again?). That’s something which you sort out QUIETLY and on the sidelines, not by running to the media, saying (as a domesic violence activist, for Pete’s sake!!!) that you have been violated.
Can we please remember that Olena Zelenska was present at that event – whose people are dealing with real violation: rape, bombing, torture. To have this Fulani woman emoting all over the BBC about a slightly offensive encounter at a social event is proof of just how ridiculous and politically charged British media has become.
This wasn’t racism. I live abroad with a surname that no native can pronounce or place and it means that people are just interested and ask questions. Most of the time it’s pleasant and I’m glad to talk about it, but there are weird ones: one person I spoke to was absolutely ADAMANT that because my name is Eyre, which is one letter away from “Eire”, then I – or at least my ancestors – must be from Ireland. I’m not and they weren’t. But you just move on, you don’t have a nervous breakdown and cry on TV!
Another classic own goal by the #bekind mob, attempting to further their crusade for more kindness and compassion in the world by behaving like berserkers.
Its “here here” actually
It actually isn’t. Rasmus was correct.
You’re wrong ! He was just trying to draw attention to himself 😉
Ooooooohh !!! I can do emoji’s, what fun.
If you’re rude enough to ignore the argument and show your ignorance in an intended correction please keep quiet. Hear hear is correct.
I thoroughly agree with your comment aside from the first line. Was Lady Hussey rude and overbearing though? Everyone who knows her says she is anything but, she was however being deliberately obfuscated by Fulani whilst trying to get information from her, which is her job. This would understandably have been confusing to an 83 year old who was quite obviously just trying to work out the origin of the African dress Fulani was proudly wearing (even though she is not in fact African).
The touching thing, do you never touch someone lightly on the arm when talking, I do. All she did was move her hair away from the name card so she could address her properly and politely. This is hardly unacceptable, by calling it this, we are digging ourselves a very deep hole in terms of human relations and kindness.
A photo a bit later shows Fulani with her arms around two other women, so she obviously does not have touching issues herself.
I don’t like being touched by people I don’t know and so I refrain from doing so in social situations like business networking mixers as there are probably a lot of people out there like me. If you know it’s controversial, stay on the safe side and don’t do it is my approach.
On the other hand, I have a very dear friend who is about 80 years old. Every now and again during conversation, he’ll pat my leg or put his hand on it. With a man any younger, or who I didn’t know – that hand would be swatted away pretty quickly and I would think the act highly inappropriate. With him, I know it’s not meant in a creepy way, so I let it go. But the point is, I know him well enough to make that judgment. At a social mixer, you don’t have that info and shouldn’t assume that “people will understand I don’t mean it that way”.
You usually write a lot of sense on this site.
Generally, your main post (beginning ‘Everybody needs to calm down’) makes many very good and important points.
But I do agree that Angelique Todescu is right to ask whether there is evidence that Lady Susan Hussey was ‘rude and overbearing’.
And I also agree that it is doubtful that that complainant really minded about ‘being touched’ (as I understand it, having her hair moved a little to read her name badge) if she had her arms around other people, as AT states.
There can be no “evidence” about being rude. You might read the dialogue and find nothing impolite about it; I read it and think Lady Hussey’s questioning comes off as rude. Offence is a very much a subjective thing so all questions of “evidence” are irrelevant. One person’s “interested, granular questioning” is another person’s “please stop badgering me”.
I don’t think Ngozi deserves to be seen as acting in good faith. She, like so many activists, is a narcissist who made “16 days against gender violence” all about herself. No one should be enabling this, because it encourages other narcissists to act out in destructive ways.
No I don’t think she was either and believe me – she will get her comeuppance. Isn’t being criticised all over the Unherd and other comments sections enough to make you wish you’d keep your trap shut? But nevertheless, Hussey’s conduct could be seen as rude – even by someone with no ulterior motive. Plenty of other people have remarked upon it as tactless, rude or overbearing so it is clearly a divisive issue and an apology is the best way to smooth the waters. Imagine the palace refusing an apology! God, you’d never hear the end of it.
Lady Hussey was probably discombobulated by responses that were so out of the ordinary – she was being played with by someone who already thought the royals were racist. Her very long record in public life does not show any racist behaviour.
The response by the royals was terrible – they know that SH is not a racist, yet there was no loyalty to a loyal servant. They acted far too quickly. Their statement that racism was unacceptable and the person involved had stepped aside implied SH was a racist. Which implies that the Queen had been a racist – after all, SH had been the Queen’s friend and colleague for 60 years. If the Queen hadn’t been a racist she would’t have cultivated the relationship. Bad and stupid behaviour from the Palace.
Also: I cant help noticing last week her “Sistah” website specifically referred to Black Caribbean and African Ladies – but this week those words have been removed/amended.
This Charity has not – however – managed to get The Charity Commission to amend its listing nor change the published accounts that both still refer to Black Caribbean and African women. Presumably the question this charity asks potential clients is “where are you from?”
“Sistah Space advocate for African heritage women and girls of African and Caribbean heritage affected by abuse.”
That from the Charity Commission’s website entry for Sistah Space.
Helping people who have been affected by abuse (here I understand to mean domestic violence and the like, though the wording is extremely vague) – understandable.
But limiting the help exclusively to African and Caribbean heritage – why?
As Rob Drummond has pointed out, Sistah Space asks the girls and women ‘where are you from?’
And Sistah Space turns away women and girls in need, just because they don’t meet the ‘heritage’ (i.e. race) requirement.
In other words, it practises racial discrimination.
No, they don’t ask. Why would they? If they’re black, the applicant’s Afro-Caribbean heritage is written all over their face, rendering further enquiry redundant.
I’m not sure. As someone with a British accent living in the US I am often asked where I am from. Not once have I ever taken offence. I too have an Irish surname, one which is often mispronounced by Americans. It just doesn’t bother me in the slightest.
For someone who heads a charity, her actions come across as rather uncharitable.
Do you think this is NORMAL?
SH: Where are you from?
Me: Here, the UK.
SH: No, but what nationality are you?
Me: I am born here and am British.
SH: No, but where do you really come from…
what inane and asinine rubbish
No, if I don’t know you, it is not acceptable to move my hair, or coat, or anything else obscuring my name badge. It is over familiar. Ask me my name.
Once a rapport has been established (usually well after names have been established) perhaps then.
Did she “move her hair away”? What proof is there of this? In view of what we have discovered about the “charity” that Marlene Headley runs (on her own it would appear) and that she has paid herself £65k with £150k of expenses undetailed in the accounts which have not been filed for 3 years. I think we should have some proof before amplifying this “fact”.
The fact that you can say “Charles is right to offer an apology” shows exactly how bonkers this has all become. Why should he apologise? As you say yourself, Fulani was on a calculated mission. She went looking for offence and, lo and behold, she found it. And you think Charles should apologise for that, whilst Lady Hussey – a dedicated and loyal servant of the Crown – is cast aside in the process? Are the consequences to Lady Hussey irrelevant to you?
Whenever someone apologises in a contrived scandal like this, the grievance-mongers demonstrate their power, achieve the humiliation they desire and are incentivised to do it all over again. They are vicious parasites masquerading as victims, ruining good people’s lives in the process. No-one should be apologising to them. They don’t deserve it. At the very least they should be ignored. And wherever possible they should be condemned and ridiculed. Otherwise this is never going to end.
If you had read my comment properly, then you would have noticed that I did mention the unnecessary humiliation of Lady Hussey.
And to be honest, I thought that Lady Hussey’s behaviour seemed rude. If I give an answer to a certain question then – unless I’m in a police cell or at a witness stand in a court or something – then I expect that answer to be accepted and not be badgered.
If I’d have been the addressee of those questions, I would have felt a bit put out and think that Hussey was a bit too much like Mary Poppins for her own good but just let it go. But there again, I’m not out to cause a scandal.
It is important to remember that the incident including Lady Hussey’s questions, verbatim, has been reported to us by Ngozi Fulani and two of her friends, so we cannot be certain that it is accurate. After 60 years service to our Queen with all her experience of social occasions, with no other evidence, anecdotal or otherwise of a lack of tact, I think I prefer to give Lady Hussey the benefit of the doubt.
I did read all of your comment. It still doesn’t make sense.
Someone who has merely been the recipient of rudeness (if that’s what it was, which is debatable) doesn’t (a) decide to record the conversation in advance, (b) broadcast their experience on social media and then (c) clearly relish the ensuing days of media interviews.
Fulani set out to be as destructive as possible from the outset. A person like that does not deserve an apology. They deserve ignoring, or a rebuttal. And even if Fulani did deserve an apology, it shouldn’t come from Charles. He’s got nothing to do with it.
Lady Hussey apologised and resigned, which was an honourable response, that seems more than enough to me.
Since when has it been a crime to be ‘rude’ to a race-baiting grifter?
Lady Hussey should be feted and applauded for her ‘rudeness’.
I can assure you, that rudeness would not be tolerated for long in my house. Nor your applause.
In that case, can I be rude to you?
You think that is rude? Grow up…
“At the very least they should be ignored.”
They should never be ignored. They should be told loudly and repeatedly to stick their woke narcissism up their our souls.
Excellent comment. Instead of receiving apologies, the race-baiting grifter should receive universal condemnation.
‘Grown up, both sides’ fence sitters on here do nothing but reveal their arrogance, complacency, and entirely misplaced sense of superiority.
“If you had read my comment properly”
The absolute lack of self-awareness of these clueless fools.
You really like that term ‘race-baiting grifter’, don’t you? Triggered much?
Was she rude? I don’t think so! Elderly hearing in a noisy room is the only reasonable explanation for pursuing the subject…
However by involving the media with phrases like “it went on for five minutes” and “I felt violated and diminished” – both ridiculous assertions – she has, in fact, verbally abused Lady Hussey..
Have you ever been out with a man, maybe at a party, and another man was slyly flirting with you? But the man you were out with had NO idea the other man was subtly flirting with you right u set his nose! Then later, when you told him “That man was being a bit flirty with me”, he said “You’re mad! I was with you the whole time! Nothing happened!” But you know it DID happen, and you know there are some things women pick up on that men are blind to. Call it women’s intuition.
Well, in this next bit, you’re the clueless man. And the black lady at Buckingham Palace is the woman. And she’s got BLACK intuition. Which YOU don’t have any of. And just because YOU didn’t pick up on what was racist about what happened doesn’t mean it wasn’t racist. Black people pick up on subtle racism a lot better than YOU do. You should TRUST us on that. What Lady Hussey said was coded in a way that completely escapes you. Decoded, it meant “To me you’re a foreigner. I don’t accept your claim to be British.”
SH: Where are you from?
Me: Here, the UK.
SH: No, but what nationality are you?
Me: I am born here and am British.
SH: No, but where do you really come from…
The ghastly women should have been on her knees in gratitude even to be in the presence of Lady Hussey, let alone have Lady Hussey waste her time attempting to be friendly: I have enjoyed people asking me where I an from all my life as I have a part Italian surname, and with Irish Italian parentage, and despite being born here, am no more English than this seditious, nasty politically motivated trouble making non-entity.
Lady Hussey was rude and overbearing (touching a stranger at a social event is just not acceptable) and that needs an apology”
That certainly ‘might’ be one explanation, although one often ‘makes’ allowance for differences in etiquette ( the mortal fear, of all good Englishmen, of being grasped, by a foreign chap (read ‘French’, obviously) and being kissed on both cheeks. We might well be embarrassed, even mortified, by such displays of ‘closeness’, but we’re British, dammit (stiff upper lip and all that), especially for ‘older’ people, who might, for any number of, non obvious reasons, think and behave differently. We hardly call in the Navy to bombard Calais, do we ? We simply put it down to ‘funny ‘ foreigners, and with a faintly embarrassed smile get on with life.
Another explanation, as suggested by me elsewhere, is that Lady Hussey was doing her job, approaching individuals who might have an interesting story, and are ‘safe’, finding out their thing and then guiding Camila in their direction. Lady Hussey could hardly have gone “This is……errrrrr….. thingy-ma-jig, I didn’t catch her name properly, from hooja-ma-flip, possibly Peckham, evidently, “I know, I know”, she’s got an African sounding name and dresses in some, vaguely random African style of dress, but it seems she’s never been near the place, claims no association whatsoever ” now could she ? Given the possible ‘hubbub’, and that Hussey is in her eighty’s, and maybe not the best of hearing, possibly with a punctiliousness and brusqueness, demanded by the time imperative and occasion, is it not unreasonable to, with a sympathetic reading of events, think that she was confirming with her eyes what she maybe thought she was hearing, and rather than shout over the din , considered the best, quickest and simplest solution was to look at the woman’s name badge, which, on this occasion, was part covered by her hair ?
If Lady Hussey was anything other than selfless, she would not lower herself into the company of such pond life and detritus of zero consequence in the first place…
Well said some common sense and understanding
Fulani is the ugly side of immigration.
But although I am a Monarchist and loved the Queen – and I like Charles – I watched him all my life on TV, he has something really bothersome, he is high placed WEF. Watch again: Prince Charles speaks at World Economic Forum in Davos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jaTt7sfI1k
I guess I have heard a lot of David Icke, and his theory the global elite are 4th dimensional lizards has an element of truth, if only in analogy (but I would not be surprised if also in reality)
If you go to an event looking like you covered yourself in glue before running through Oxfam, people are going to ask questions!
lol – poking the hornet’s nest 🙂 you will have the professionally offended class up in arms. 🙂 🙂
“haven’t we all had/got that one elderly relative who comes out with something off-colour every now and again?”
Apparently my grandparents in South Africa had a dog called Nword.
That was quite informative.
Thanks for sharing your AMUSING anecdote. And how white of you not to find that offensive in the least ♂️
Fabulously witty. applause.Oxfam -loved this.
What more can I add, not much, except I agree with every thing except touching the hair, it was just to be able to read her name badge.
Reading that the Fulani woman has changed her name from Mary or Marlene to an African sounding name, wearing bright colours with African ste hairstyles, why wouldn’t you ask her roots.
I noticed the day after, during interviews on TV and radio, she became more vehement in her way of telling her story adding more and more about the ‘incident’ each time.
If anything,shecshould apologise to Lady Hussey, afterall, her own charity states African and Caribbean – that in its is racist.
So true the world has gone mad
I agree. What infuriating absurdity. No doubt others also heard the QT panel last Thursday falling over themselves (with the partial exception of Olivia Utley) to condemn a rather tactless old lady who is behind the woke times. The most ridiculous thing is that 99% of people will agree – out loud or not – that it is a storm in a teacup. And if Fulani really thought she had been insulted, would it not have been the right thing to complain direct to the Palace, rather to take to Twitter – which she knew would cause a furore and the probably instant cancellation of Lady Hussey?Self-centred, mean-minded virtue signalling; all too common in our feverishly offence-loving times.
“Her charity is going to have scrutinising eyes all over it like a rash.”
Now closed due to “safety reasons”. So not for a while…
Did she actually touch the lady or was it hearsay? It looked a lot like a deliberate setup from here.
It’s crazy the lengths you all go to to explain away blatant racism. What Lady Hussey did was RACIST. You defending what she did is RACIST. This entire article is nasty and RACIST. Right is right and wrong is wrong. You all simply love being ignorant and love being racist. It’s sad, but totally expected of you all.
Ngozi Fulani was born Marlene Headley to parents Meredith and Gladstone. Her sister is called Sharon.
She was brought up in Kilburn not Hackney.
She runs a one person charity and paid herself £65k with £150k of expenses undetailed in the accounts which have not been filed for 3 years.
She is “from” Barbados but dresses in full African clothing with an adopted Nigerian name.
You can see why she doesn’t want to answer the question where she is from because to do so would expose her hypocrisy and cultural appropriation.
That could explain quite a lot. Makes one agree ever more with the headline.
So she is basically a fraud. The King should certainly be advised to keep away from her and it sounds as if the Charity Commission should investigate her “Charity” that seems additionally to be race discriminatory. Of course they probably won’t for fear of the cry of racism.
Charles will feel quite at home with charitable frauds – perhaps she should bring a paper bag of cash with her when she meets him………..
At last! The perfect concluding evidence! Well understood, well researched and well said.
Bravo, Rick! Excellent.
I do hope King Charles’s advisor’s take all this into consideration before he gives an apology which is totally unnecessary
But she IS British, right? So when she says she is, no further questioning is required. RIGHT? BUT…
SH: Where are you from?
Me: Here, the UK.
SH: No, but what nationality are you?
Me: I am born here and am British.
SH: No, but where do you really come from…
The whole affair is a striking, and prescient, example of who now holds power in modern day Britain. Even the King bows down in supplication, and grovels, at the feet of the new rulers.
Indeed but it should not be so. It is striking that those of mixed race tend to identify as black. The King should certainly not meet with this ultra race conscious individual. It is nothing to do with him if a courtier shows an interest in the background of a woman who was clearly keen to emphasise her African roots by her appearance. Her only fault was not to have backed off when it became clear the woman was likely to make an issue of her curiosity. She was perhaps used to some deference from those less close to the Crown than she was and had failed to register the potential minefield she was venturing into. For that reason it was perhaps time for her to retire. We don’t know if that was the conclusion she reached herself or whether she was encouraged to reach that conclusion.
There is an excruciatingly complex power grab happening… our ancestors would be horrified. We should stop playing by their rules.
Do explain. What rules?
Goodness me, Morgan. You win the ‘Drama Queen of the Day’ award!
Do you actually believe that nonsense? Don’t be silly.
As Charles Moore put it in the Telegraph, if I turned up in a kilt with a name-tag saying “Hamish McTavish”, I shouldn’t be surprised (or feel “violated”) if someone asked me what part of Scotland I was from, or to which Clan I belonged.
Nobody should be apologising to this woman.
Identify as British? That is a laugh, then why change your name to Ngozi Fulani from Marlene Headley and dressing in African clothes, plus wearing dreadlocks (pretentious). My brother was christened Terence Brian but was known by his nickname of Jim and later in life changed his first name to Smiley (he’s now back to being called Terry). A friend changed her surname from White to Gentle because of numerology, thinking it would change her fortunes (it didn’t). I have been known by my birth name all my life and it has left me unharmed as far as I can tell.
If someone asked me where I come from I’d say Norfolk and name my town. Did Lady Hussey ask other people there, where they came from, no matter what their colour? There was nothing in Lady Hussey’s questioning that was overtly racist. Also why didn’t she just answer and say her parents were from the Caribbean straight away?
Her reactions sounded defensive as though she had an inferiority complex about her origins. At least that is what I thought first of all. Her putting the exchange on Twitter seemed more like seeking kudos or a cuckoo in the nest trying to kick out rivals for attention (apparently she is a pal of Meghan Markle and is obviously seeking to impress her or why publicise the encounter?).
Never complain, never explain is obviously not her motto. Real prejudice is the killing of black youths by black youths as in a news item a few years ago, where a senior detective pointed out that knife fatalities in London the previous year was one white person and twenty eight coloured men, in gang warfare by black on black youths mostly. My wife was asked, when she went to school in Inverness, whether she used knives and forks where she came from? This was the Western Isles and she was white.
Glad you mentioned an inferiority complex, add paranoia and an over emotional reaction to a perfectly innocent conversation and the truth is out. Fulani is a drama queen, she could be green with yellow spots and come from a remote constellation in the galaxy, she is still emotionally unbalanced.
Load of fuss over nothing.
As for those trying to make out that not being able to pronounce someone’s name means you are racist as a female Nigerian poet claimed on BBC Two in a program on poetry recitation recently, that too is nonsense. Thandie Newton wants people to remember her Zulu name for instance. Fine is it is written down but if you don’t know the rhythm of the language, pronouncing it is problematic. Even though Thandie is not based on English, it follows the spelling rules of English which makes it easy to say it. Her Zulu name is a sentence just as American Indian’s names are. Perhaps she should use the English version of her name’s meaning or just change her name to ‘comfort’ as I shorten my name from Anthony to Tony.
Cholmondeley for instance threw me for years because it is Norman French, not Anglo-Saxon and it took me years to connect the pronunciation of the name with Chumleigh its equivalent. I find Gaelic names or French spelling equally perplexing for the same reason but have no problem with Chinese or Indian unless they are written in Hindi, Urdu or Chinese characters. Spell names how you like but remember every language has its own pronunciation and spelling rules (this is linguistics in other words, not race), which throw every foreign speaker who is not aware of these rules. Monty Python had a sketch called ‘It’s The Arts,’ which lambasted all this ego stuff years ago, taking the mickey out of German etc. long-winded names and in this case ‘Johann Gambolputty etc. etc etc.’
Coloured people do well as athletes nowadays, making up about three quarters of their number in America. Sports people used to be white but does that mean to balance things out, someone like me should be included even though I can’t run, just because I am white? Positive discrimination can lead to the danger of resentment from the imbalance and a backlash because of it. Tokenism doesn’t really work because of this psychological factor. What we need are people who can do the job, not be picked for appearance but ability. For instance I would rather have Michelle Obama as president, not Donald Trump because I would want someone sensible with their finger on the destruct button. Again would you want a surgeon operating on you whose colour you approved of as opposed to someone who knew what they were doing despite their race?
You lost me at “coloured people”. I knew what was coming after that…
Michelle Obama sensible?? She’s been a grievance broker from the get go; and still complaining in Martha’s Vineyard…
She couldn’t say she was from the Caribbean because she was presenting as an African and she would have outed her own cultural appropriation/hypocrisy.
As to the touching hair bit, Lady H was moving her hair to see her name badge.
It wasn’t even her own hair. It was a bleedin’ syrup!
She can’t say she is from where your ancestors worked the hell out her peoples.she don’t want to be identified as a former slave from a slave colony.did that make any sense to you?
So the narcissistic racist moron changes her name to that of a tribe of slave traders. You wokies really do take the biscuit.
You have 600 years worth of global history to bone up on. That’s quite an ambitious study programme, but then – you have left it rather late in the day….
The whitesplaining going on here is hilarious! Think they’ve got it sussed, but they’re completely clueless.
You think it’s ‘hypocrisy’ for a descendant of Africa to wear African clothing? Tell you what, no matter what I change my name to, or what I’m wearing, if I answer I’m British, accept it and move on. Any questions?
For several years I had a lodger from Estonia with whom I enjoyed a ribald relationship based on mutual urine extraction, which sometimes involved questioning her about her tail.
Sounds more like a Rigby/Rising Damp power dynamic actually.
Dreadlocks would indeed be deemed ‘pretentious’,were you or I to sport them. There seems to be some confusion over their cultural and/or religious significance, but fear not – I can recommend a reading and listening list which may clarify things for you….
Haven’t you heard? We are not coloured. It’s the 21st Century. Only ignorant people still use that terminology.
Never complain, never explain and never ever apologise.
Now, who was it said that first?
Always complain, never explain, and never ever apologise to the woke scum.
Oh dear. Perhaps you’ve confused yourself with that popular rallying cry from your boisterous youth – ‘No Surrender To The IRA (Scum)’?
Always complain, never explain, and never ever apologise to the woke.
But you’re on here explaining… duh.
The New Puritans – Clinging to their Critical Race Theory cannot be accommodated. There are no terms they they will ever accept.
They require the whole country to give them all the money and total power over us all. Nothing less would satisfy them.
So there are two choices- agree and give in – or tell them to get stuffed. I recommend the latter they are bullying hollow people.
Absolutely laughable. Discarded broom sweepings from the Paranoid Ward.
Tell the prime minister that mate.
What point are you trying to make now, you woke moron?
Here we go again. Explain your statement with actual references to Critical Race Theory.
You know he can’t!
You’re SUCH a Drama Queen…
Fulani lied immediately she said she did not know where she ‘came from’. Part of Lady Susan’s lifetime job has been to know details of people invitied to meet royals to ease conversation. She should not be required to step down.
Well she is gone gone gone
I suspect that Ngozi can trace her heritage back rather further than a single generation. The question is infinitely nuanced, and the potential answermultiple choice, to anyone from the Black diaspora. Does this really need explaining, in 2022?
Apparently, Fulani’s charity has been fined by the Charity Commission for failing to submit its accounts on time and is now under investigation for unexplained expenses. I think Ms Fulani nee Headley is going to regret kicking this hornets nest.
Of course Charles and/or Camilla shouldn’t meet this ghastly woman.
Always under investigation to tarnish images of good humans.wheres your charity?
Would you direct the same simpering disdain at, say Michelle Mone? If not, why not?
What revolts me is that when these race grifters appear on TV making these obviously absurd, exaggerated, bad faith claims, the interviewer never challenges them. Apart from anything else it would make excellent TV to watch the explosion which would follow a simple: “That’s utter nonsense, isn’t it?”.
Love when white men think they’re experts on racism and its impact. You still haven’t clocked the Black and White Minstrel Show was racist, and it’s been 40 years…
This diva drama has turned into a complete farce. Basic common sense is all that’s required to understand that Lady Hussey was not being rude or racist. To have ones hair gently moved slightly to read a name tag is not an invasion of privacy, deliberate racial malice or intimidating in any way. Fulani clearly over reacted. I would label her description of ‘trauma’ as paranoia. For goodness sake, Lady Hussey is not a racist.
Why give a second thought to an emotionally unbalanced, paranoid reaction to a series of innocent questions that are standard small talk? It’s absurd. No apology or explanation necessary. There are far more serious issues to be concerned about.
The Queen once remarked that Charles is useless. Her words, not mine.
I’ll ask a simple question. Would you walk up to someone you don’t know at a conference and move their hair/coat/whatever to look at their name badge?
No? Fancy that. If you would, you clearly don’t go to conferences or have any sense of social graces.
And that was the first move.
Your clueless. It’s coded. You don’t know the code. Let me help you. It means “To me you’re a foreigner, I don’t accept that you’re British.
SH: Where are you from?
Me: Here, the UK.
SH: No, but what nationality are you?
Me: I am born here and am British.
SH: No, but where do you really come from…
He should meet her, and give her a bloody good talking to about things like basic manners, not being racist against white people, and not bullying old ladies.
But he won’t.
Kind of you to share, Richard
“English poets borrowed the sonnet form from the Italian poet Francesco Petrarch. Traditionally, it has fourteen lines of iambic pentameter linked by an intricate rhyme scheme. Iambic pentameter refers to its rhythm; basically, each line of the poem has ten syllables, and every other syllable is stressed.”
If you look at little more carefully – you will see that this poem exactly fits the description. It is 14 lines, with a title (At A Party, at a palace). The rhyme scheme for the 3 sets of 4 lines is intricate (ie different for each quatrain) and ends just as it should with a simple rhyming couplet. I split the lines (this is allowed) but the way UnHerd reformats loses that subtlety. Each line has 10 syllables. It ends with my name (fair enough?) (This allows the poem to make sense.) And the detail about my father and his (and his) is true. All born in India. Go figure!
just get her to do the washing up…
I totally agree it’s about time that someone did .
This is a strange article. The writer passes over;
Britain will become a majority-minority country, with white Britons forming less than 50% of the population, early in William’s reign
and concentrates on the;
It may be these storms are inevitably terminal, and that 1300 years of Christian monarchy are drawing to a close regardless
Now, it may be that the second will follow from the first, but surely the first is the important one.
My wife was born and bred in England, speaks not a word of any language other than English, but carries a grandmother’s first name and the surname of her father, who arrived here in 1945 and felt it safer to stay than to return home. Until she married, she was often asked where she was from. It never occurred to her that anyone doing so was being anything other than showing friendly interest.
One ‘explanation’ that I haven’t seen advanced, is that Ms Ngozi Fulani was ‘defensive’ and ‘objected’ to being asked about her ‘heritage’ because she feared being accused of being a fraud. MAYBE THEY (The system) KNEW she wasn’t ALL she ‘pretended to be !!!
Sad no black person is onto her defense,you have nothing against her.she been places most your only dreamt of and ll never be near nor be able to walk a mile in her shoes.stop bigotry you ain’t better than no one
Why would the skin colour of the person defending her matter ? If someone wants to defend her their melanin content should not add, or detract, from their argument.
Where has she been, that I haven’t ? I assume, given her charity, that she is a victim of domestic abuse (as a flippant aside, I can’t imagine why), given that you know nothing of me, you are in no position to ASSUME that, just because I am a male, that I have not also been subject to domestic abuse (oddly enough, because she was goading me into abusing her (long story), disappointingly, for her, she didn’t take account of my British upbringing. That she might suffer ‘continued’ trauma due to the experiences of people (slavery) related or not, that happened several generations ago is quite frankly risible. My ancestor, by comparison, within touching distance, (my Grandfathers, Grandmother) was confined in the workhouse. My life bares no comparison to hers and, despite the very real possibility of generations of my family having been treated like s**t, possibly even worse than slaves, I claim no ‘fake’ ‘agonising’ trauma.
Nobody gets treated worse than slaves. That’s a stupendously foolish thing to say, even for a white man, and we’re very used to you saying foolish things.
I am here if that helps. I’ve said my piece.
So much white fragility in here.
Oh dear. You’ve gone full ‘Fairly Secret Army’.
Never go full ‘Fairly Secret Army’.
Fairly secret army? What does that mean? You seem to be full of hate towards white Brits. Or is it all northen European peoples? Or just the benighted English? Other races have faced terrible times: diaspora, erasure of language. I am of Jewish heritage and used to wear a star of David, never gave it a thought. Until a black customer sat in front of me, noticed it and informed me that ‘f*@€ing yids had brought the holocaust on themselves and deserved it.’ What was I to make of that? Hate all people of colour? I wasnt going to do that. I’ve never forgotten but it’s just a memory. Don’t let hate be a ruling influence life is just too short.
Sorry that happened to you. The author you are railing against isn’t doing it from hate, but from constant near every day experience.
Believe it or not, we don’t bleat about it every day, but we are f*cking tired of it, and of being told we are over reacting, should calm down, blah, blah, blah.
The one day anyone calls it out so many people go into a super offended frenzy.
Thanks for the reply and I take your point. However this isnt the only example I could give, like yours, they are leigon! My mum lost everything in WW2. Family, home, state, language, self.
she bore no Ill will to today’s Germany, they had nothing to do with it. We all need to remember the past and the evil done to so many, but don’t build a life around it. It really is way to short
Erasure of Language. You think that compares to SLAVERY? Please…
I’m sure there is fun to be had with this:
Immigrant family (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), change name to better reflect and fit in to demonstrate their love of their adopted country, apologise to immigrant person who goes out of their way to demonstrate their difference, and lack of love, for their adopted country.
From Barbados mate she wasn’t born there free either.so her first taste of freedom is in uk and then when she thinks she hits joythen come the bigot lady taking her back to the plantation.get a grip of reality.what her and her family been through because of white peoples like you lot commenting Is no way comparable to what any of you sit at home drinking tea waiting on your social money to come for u to go to the pub commenting can ever go through.think about it.yall never been former slaves in a Palace where the ship builders and explorers get awards from enslaving you.stop your grudge we blacks should harbour that not privileged whites like you serving from the sweats and tears and bloods of poor blacks.forget your Britishness an Indian is in number 10
Get over yourself you vile whining racist.
I know you not maaaaad at me hahaha.i takes no offence.
Stick your anti-white racism up your our soul.
You’re making a pretty poor effort at representing ‘basic manners’ from an avowedly ‘white’ perspective, old bean (whatever you take that nebulous racist construct to mean). I’d walk away from thecshovel, if I were you.
No, that’s YOU.
If a post, like this appeared, from ‘my’ lot (whoever the hell they are) I would be, quite rightly, branded a race-ist bigot and find, perhaps unsurprisingly, not only my present post had ‘vanished’ but probably an inability to make any comment for a period thereafter.
I wonder, if your name had been ‘Smith’ and your written english skills better, that your post might have more quickly disappeared. Maybe the moderators/censors are intimidated by your foreign sounding name and desperate not to, perhaps, cause offence, as ‘perhaps’ Lady Hussey thought when she started a conversation with Ngozi.
Rightly so as I’m reading comments all talking about black peoples and as far as I’m here commenting on all your biased and racist comments about a queen whose peoples been through it all.without an iota of understanding you think to gang up on a female black woman branding her all sorts.tjis is bigotry and racism at its finest.so I ll say you lot as far as I’m concern I see no positive comment only stories of old being told and then wish our story to die out.lets call a spade a spade eh.
“lets call a spade a spade eh.”
I think you’re pretending to be someone.
do your chips come with fish?
Just for the record don’t bleat about racism against black people my Granddaughter is married to a lovely young man of Indian origin and live in Atlanta with their three children the two eldest being stepchildren and white and the youngest obviously being mixed race.
However, the eldest girl has been bullied at school for being white and caused her mental stress so think on racism works both ways and it’s totally unnecessary it should be live and let live.
You need tp understand the dofference between racism and prejudice, and develop a surer grasp of the historical forces behind anti-Black racism. It most emphatically does not ‘work both ways’ in anything like the same essence.
I suspect neither have you
Great smackdown. You can tell you hit them hard from all the downvotes!
Has anyone seen the video of Jeremy Vine’s takedown of Love Actually. It’s the most nauseating grovelbrag yet:
‘Yes, I know I’m disgustingly white and grotesquely over-privileged but you can forgive me because I CARE, I REALLY DO. I care about black people, brown people, wimmin, the poor, transgender people… Everyone except disgustingly white people like me. (It won’t change my behaviour though).”
I understand that the King’s advisers may think it wise to appease the loud criticisms from the usual people,and to do so without even a few hours delay, which now also seems to be demanded, but they mustn’t incur the contempt of the majority by acting unreasonably and out of proportion.
I guess they will have asked Hussey for her version, and of witnesses, and best of all, any recordings. In my opinion, it’s not impossible that Fulani’s recollections are not as inaccurate as their detail suggests, and Hussey’s recollections may be so vague that she can’t deny them, even if they are wrong. Of course, this makes it a very difficult matter with which to deal.
I didn’t see anything racist in the comments as is alleged, but (taken at face value), does seem to show some mutual irritation building to a confrontation, which, of course, is human, but unwise and rude on the part of both, seeing that they were at a public function.
Furthermore, it was Fulani who escalated this by making the private conversation public, which itself showed lack of manners, and confirms that she has objectives wider than looking after victims of abuse, wherever they’re from.
Yes, the ‘Good Black people’ must never stoop to expose the racist machinations behind the curtain. Leave that to the ‘seditious’, ‘ungrateful’ ‘Bad Black People’ who seem intent upon repaying our benign tolerance with their dumb insolence etc. etc.
I believe that The King erred.
Ms. Fulani was a plus 1 guest at this event. In dealing with an 83 year old woman, surely there were more elegant ways of managing a conversation, as upposed to memorizing it and downloading same on the planet.
This cutting loose of the courtier was a despicable act by the monarchy. Even the “offended” party felt it was too far.
That said, try to remember that Charles has given thought to preserving our ancient traditions. He stands up for old architecture. “Defender of Faith”. He is trying to feel his way through the storm just as much as the rest of us are. If you want a truly reprehensible foe, try those climatology lecturers in “uni” teaching students to give up on themselves and the world.
What ‘ancient traditions’ are under threat in the context of this exchange?
Someone on the far left should call out Fulani for cultural appropriation. It might even happen. There is no end to the madness of these people.
The left certainly does have a habit of eating itself.
Not fast enough imo…
Explain the ‘cultural appropriation’ here, should you feel qualified to do so. I’ll wait.
She culturally appropriated an ethnic group, the Fulani, who ironically were themselves slave-traders.
She was wearing full African dress, yet was born in the UK. I have Norwegian blood but have never lived there and don’t wear their national dress.
Probably nobody would be surprised or ashamed if a Zimbabwean politician asked a White Sub-Saharan African where is his/her family originally from.
“Where are you from?”
Oh FFS! Another perfectly polite post, with associated debate, has been disappeared. If you want people to write opinions that would not make it at the Guardian, you really have to stop disappearing all these posts.
OK, honour where it is due – it was not gone for many minutes (and the top poster was not me, but someone on the woke side).
And now it is gone *again*! Get it together, willya!
Back for a while, and gone yet again. If this is the spam alert system,. how about changing the rules so that once posts have been taken down and reinstated once, they a stay up unless removed by an actual person?
On the other hand, one of mine has suddenly gone AWOL.
UnHerd: any explanation?
And mine appears to be back again.
‘In, out, in, out, shake it all about’ and so forth.
And it’s gone again.
UnHerd, any chance at all that you can do something about this problem, one which many of your customers have repeatedly had cause to complain of over a long period?
Judging from the limited perspective of an American who has always loved Great Britain, I have to say that I don’t think Charles is up to the task of principled monarchy. He seems better suited to serving on the boards of high-profile green NGOs, promoting whatever the latest woke fad is than defending what remains of the best of British culture. This doesn’t seem like it will end well…
My husband pointed out that Fulani–if she were an honest broker–could have quietly made some back-channel complaints instead of glorifying herself before the world, and thereby procured more Royal support for her charity. Plus avoiding socially murdering an 83 year old woman.
Is no-one else reminded of Nobel Prize winning Professor Tim Hunt, whose career was vaporised in 2015 because he made a rather feeble joke about his female lab assistant falling in love with him?
Energetically called out for his “sexism” by a mendacious black professional grievance monger.
Never, ever apologise to a Wokester.
As for the the King and Prince, they should note that many consider that a rigorously non partisan Constitutional Monarch can be the least bad Head of State. Certainly far preferable to some semi-retired political has been.
But if a Monarch cannot be non partisan, then people might figure that even Gordon Brown (God help us! I exaggerate to make my point), might be no more gormless and considerably cheaper than King Charles III.
A Sonnet for Our Time
At A Party (at a palace)
No! Where do you come from
she said to me
Glasses on. Looking at my
From Crete, I respond
Or from Heathrow, I say
over the din
It’s your name, not Greek
I’d hazard a guess
True, I respond
I’m Sussex born and bred
But your name isn’t English
when all’s done and said
You’ve cracked it, I’m Scots
I have to confess
My dad, born in India
(his dad too!)
But schooled in Edinburgh
does that count
Took his daily walks
in sight of the Mount
Now we’re getting there
Oh, what a to do
Indeed, origins are so
hard to tell
I checked ber lapel pin
A poem by Murray Culross Morison
A sonnet is 14 lines of iambic pentameter. Your poem’s ok, but a sonnet it ain’t.
Thank you muhammed – Because Richard was simply wrong in his comment. The poem has correct sonnet structure as explained in a reply to his initial comment.
I’d be more impressed with such comments if they related to the content of the poem, not its form.
This whole thread is really about content rather than form … at the palace!
Sorry. It did strike me that your poem might in fact have a sonnet structure, but I made heavy weather construing some of the lines as iambic pentameter. For instance:-
(1) Line 3 only works if the “chiev” in “mischievously” has disyllabic pronunciation”, although I’ll concede that this may be how some people pronounce the word.
(2) “But your name isn’t English/when all’s done and said” is Alexandrine, not iambic pentameter.
(3) Line 9 only works if “India” is construed as a trisyllable.
(4) 10 only works if the “burgh” in “Edinburgh” is disyllabic.
(5) The stresses in 11 and 12 make them very difficult to construe as iambic.
(6) I misapprehended the title as part of the poem.
(7) I was also slightly thrown by the unconventional rhyme scheme – a Shakespearean quatrain followed by two Petrarchan quatrains, and returning to Shakespearean form with the concluding heroic couplet.
There’s not really anything wrong with any of the above items per se. It’s only that it causes formalist pedants like me to make heavy weather of things, like I said. I’ve written about 190 sonnets all told, many of which experiment with rhyme schemes, although I tend to be very strict with iambic pentameter maintenance.
My apologies. It did strike me when posting my original response that your poem might in fact have a sonnet structure after all. However, I made heavy weather construing some of the lines as iambic pentameter, in some cases because the stresses don’t coincide with natural speech patterns, in some cases because of the necessity of construing words with extra syllables (e.g. the “chiev” in “mischievously” has to be construed as disyllabic), and in line 7’s case because it just is alexandrine rather than iambic pentameter. I was also slightly discombobulated, but not in a bad way, by the rhyme scheme – a Shakespearean quatrain followed by two Petrarchan quatrains and concluding in a return to Shakespearean form with a heroic couplet.
I realise that you’re more interested in content than form, and so my pedantic formalism will probably leave you cold. In any case, nothing in the above is an evaluative criticism. I’m just looking slightly askance at the interpretation of what is a perfectly good poem as a sonnet.
Lastly, I’ve written about 190 sonnets myself, quite a few of which have been published in various places, and will leave you with the offering below, which like your poem – or sonnet! – is set up as a dialogue, although really only one party does all the talking.
The editor considers Pope passé,
but is quite partial to a shopping list.
“Stick to Sauternes, Prosecco’s far too gassy.”
She grips my elbow with a tiny fist.
“The fashion’s not for polished, mannered wit.
The ossuary’s sediments of slime –
think Heaney, Hughes, subjective feel. Think shit
and squirt it out, jarringly, and unrhymed.”
She leaves me worrying about my voice:
a cleverclogs in thrall to formalism,
a meter maid, cuckold of my own choice,
vas deferens for watery old jism.
I thank the oracle for her advice,
and help myself to orange juice and ice.
A couple of self-assessments:-
“passé” and “gassy” are an imperfect rhyme, exacerbated by the former’s masculinity and the latter’s femininity. But I don’t mind this.
“jarringly”‘s position in line 8 jars the iambic pentameter. I did this on purpose and am quite pleased with it.
I’m also pleased with line 9 as the volta, and with the concluding line’s insinuation that the narrator’s publishers limit him to Prosecco Buck’s Fizz rather than the proper stuff.
Statistically the U.K. is currently 86% Caucasian so I can’t quite see a minority /majority situation occurring so fast. This article needs to be followed by many like it ; there is absolutely no reason and no one to apologise to over the occurrences of Empire, it is not of this generation.
Imperialism was the power game of the day, played by all, some such as Portugal left the board far later than us ;few are left alive if any that directly remember those times and all have lived free from British rule for over fifty years.
Why does everything including a conversation between two eminently incompatible strangers have to be racially loaded?
Do your research you ignoranteh.australia,Canada the Caribbean islands all you still colonising peoples my ignorant friend!
“I can’t quite see a minority /majority situation occurring so fast.”
Read Eric Kaufmann’s Whiteshift. It is because of demographics. The change accelerates as the old die off and are replaced by the young. Much of the youth is of foreign extraction. It is already a mathematical certainty.
My name is Dominic Etim. I am a Nigerian, but a keen follower of the British Royal Family. I strongly support this writer that the king and Queen Consort should not stoop low to have any meeting whatsoever aimed at apologizing to this woman. I believe enough has been done by the palace to prove that it does not condone any semblance of racism, neither does it stand by Lady Hussey for her actions. To go beyond that and actually allow the king to meet with this woman and perhaps to apologize to her is totally uncalled for, and would be to demeaning for the monarchy. It will also set a dangerous precedent whereby activists would deliberately create conditions that would result in them making more allegations of racism against the monarchy in future.
The question to ask is, if as she said, she was born in the UK, what was Ngozi Fulani (a strange combination of an Ibo tribal name from South-Eastern Nigeria, and the name of one the most dominant Muslim tribes in Northern Nigeria and other parts of West Africa) doing in a British Royal palace’s social event on that day in such a strange dress and hairstyle? I suspect that it was a deliberate set up to elicit the very kind of reaction she got from Lady Hussey, in other to accuse the Royal family of racism. But I dare say this was not racism from Lady Hussey. It was just a harmless expression of curiosity, given Ngozi Fulani’s strange look and appearance. This is especially so since she was not the only black woman in that event. But it was only she who deliberately attracted attention to herself by her appearance.
Very interesting episode. Let me throw a little slant. Her name is Ngozi, typically a name from the ibo tribe in west Africa. The other name is Fulani which is one of the largest ethnic groups in west Africa BUT she is Caribbean and had British nationality.
I’d say there is enough mystery in there to warrant asking where are you really from!!!
This is really one overly sensitive generation we live in.
And might I add, in all of this , the words being bandied about are classic hearsay except someone has got SH’s version of events or perhaps the conversation was recorded; which would raise the question of how prepared off the cuff someone was for this grand event.
Okay bye. As we say where I am from, I come in peace.
As an expat living in Indonesia I would like to mention I am often asked where I come from, do I take this as a racist comment? of course I don’t! Lady Hussey is a old lady who I’m sure was not being at all racist, the word RACIST has become a tool to use by media, politicians and ignorant public.
Fulani went to this event poised and ready for any slightly out place comment made, she’s a typical activist who is wallowing in the opportunities given by the media who are interested only in attracting the attention of gullable readers.
Racism has lost its meaning with these petty accusations, Racism thrives around the world, not with just words! with minority people being murdered, beaten, raped, badly treated in their work place and not being given equal rights and opportunities in the country’s their living in. Activists in UK are clueless work dodgers who are looking for personal recognition and fame!
This is what Critical Race Theory looks like close-up.
No, this is what racism looks like.
ie racism is so miniscule that asking people about their heritage now makes headline news.
I always thought racism was what the disturbances in Leicester looked like…..
Do explain. With actual references to the theory.
Q : where ARE Marlene Headley’s parents ? And her husband?
They all seemed to have been airbrushed out of ‘her story’.
They might have some useful observations to contribute.
This was a ‘sting’ on the eve if William’s arrival in USA
And everyone bought it.
The monarchy are now nothing more than useful idiots.
Yes, it is indeed better to die standing on your feet than live on your knees. White Brits must demand self-determination on overtly racial and ethnic lines. These are the same lines that our enemies attack us on. The Royal Family are behaving like white Brits are already a minority. Enoch Powell once said, it is foolish to suggest that you cannot turn the clock back. If a nation has made a mistake, it must recognise it and then correct it. This should be the approach towards the multicultural annihilation.
Us – by Adam McDermont – The Heritage Site (substack.com)
Then march up to Parliament and call to let the Scots have an independence referendum. Or does that divide not fit your world view?
By the way, take an ancestry DNA test and tell us the results
Walk around Manningham in Bradford when there is an international cricket match being played and see why there is no need to ask where English people really come from.
The cricket test was openly racist 40 years ago and it has not improved over time.
So your point is that it is racist to expect English people to support England teams?
Where did I ever say that? Do you ever read what people say, or do you have racist-coloured glasses on which only let you see racism everywhere?
I was simply pointing out how easy it is to find out where people’s heritage is.
If it is that easy then why did the old bat at the palace not keep her stupid questions to herself?
Agreed. She was impolite and patronising.
How is this relevant?
Sorry, wrong place so deleted.
When the Normans invaded England in 1066, the percentage of native English as a percentage of the whole population went down by about 5%
Not only is it racist to ask where people’s heritage is, but it is also compulsory to learn where the Windrush sailed from.
I think we should remove all trace of the Windrush sailing from history so we can’t be racist and find out where people came from.
Another white man playing the race card. You all seem to believe you’re better at detecting and quantifying racism than black people, and if you don’t see it then black people must be making it up. We should rename it ‘whitesplaining race card’. You also profess to know how best to respond to racism!
Next, you’re inside the mind of a black woman, blithely discerning her motives and insights, and decreeing she had a clear ideological agenda.
Then you wrap the whole thing up neatly as an assault on “Christian hereditary monarchy” – not the racism itself but the reçipient’s ‘failure’ to keep it quiet.
Apparently there’s no limit to how much more intuitive white men think they are. Oh dear. It must really annoy you when black people share their experiences with each other on their social media – what you call ‘running to the press.” It must be so self-delusional not knowing you have an ethnic prism, and foolishly positing your off the mark gibberish as coherent, objective and rational. Newsflash: you’re just another white man who has NO idea he wears blinkers, and couldn’t possibly decipher what’s going on beyond them. But carry on making a pompous ass of yourself. It’s always amusing to see how utterly clueless you are without ever realizing it.
I’ll weigh in here as a black person. I’ve been abroad for a number of years and have been asked the ‘where are you really from’ on a daily basis. That did come from a position of curiousity as there were very few black people there historically, or any exposure. It got very old, very fast, and insinuates that you can only be from where the first ancestor popped up from. If you are black.
In the UK though, there is no excuse for it. The UK has had so much exposure, first by walking all over the planet, second by generations coming here. We are not new.
So- here is the litmus test- would you ask that of every white person?No you wouldn’t, unless you see some ‘difference’.
To summarise: you will take my first answer and be happy with it. If you want to know where my ancestors come from, rephrase the question. Or better still, find another subject. There are plenty likely more relevant to the events of the day.
I am white and have a ‘different’ accent. I am very, very often asked where I am from during my travels. In fact when I’m not asked I am curious about the lack of curiosity of the people I am talking to. So for example (generalising here), on the East coast of the US and in the South, people were super interested, friendly, curious and keen to chat, but LA – meh. Couldn’t be more disinterested. I found this off putting and found the people completely self-involved.
Hi Lesley, Interesting but I think you are missing the point here. Which is (apart from manners) is the ignoring that someone is British as if it makes no sense of one is black. I wrote a longer post on here somewhere…..
NIcholas, I totally get all the points being made and the point you are making now is referenced and discussed ad nauseum in the thread. I didn’t see the necessity to repeat it myself.
That is the subject matter though. Hence it is discussed ‘ad nauseam’
Then feel free not to watch Lenny Henry.
It’s amazing how many white people seem to have opinions on what black people should feel.
I was simply reporting what Lenny Henry said, and somehow Racist-Finder General thinks that mean that I am a racist.
You very clearly are racist
Forget to tell you united Kingdom is no Christian country majority are bhuddist hahahaha.read about your own country u ignoranteh.hahaha
No need to ask where you’re really from. The answer is plainly Clown World.
Despite it making everyone at Unherd very sad, the days of grossly overprivileged upper class twits badgering people of colour about their background are over. Mrs Hussey and her incredible bad manners are simply the last echoes of Prince Philip’s open racism and god only knows what else we never got to hear about.
Sorry chaps, the world has changed and we don’t do that anymore.
Are you of Irish descent, perchance?
Don’t use the word “perchance”.
So Mrs Hussey was incredibly bad mannered to notice that the woman with an assumed African name and an assumed African costume had a Caribbean accent?
No, but to continue badgering a guest after she has clearly answered the question, to the point of laying hands on her, is absolutely unforgivable. no great surprise though – the royals are hardly known for their racial sensitivity..
Laying hands on her? What a joke!
Gosh, I guess anybody can enter the Palace by covering up their name badge and then shouting ‘racism’ when people want to see it…..
Its not a joke and its not funny. Don’t go about touching the guests would probably be good advice for palace lackeys – although one would have thought that was obvious to even the most bigoted of them.
Moving some hair aside to look at a nameplate.
Sack the witch!
Sounds like you are finally catching up – well done.
Would you touch a stranger’s hair? That is very weird.
Will Smith assaulted somebody on live TV.
He wasn’t cancelled.
Because he is Black.
God you spout crap.
If by some remote chance we ever meet, I’m definitely going to touch your hair and ask you where you’re really from.
Give it a try, sweetheart…
I guarantee you, you would be on the floor if you do.
Haven’t you seen the photo of your pet black racist laying her hands on another guest at the same event? Stupid woke touatt.
She doesn’t. She’s British. Next…
Where are you really from?
Let the king make peace.he understand more than you do about the wickedness done to African heritage peoples.still now no apologies from the Palace for there part in the transatlantic slave trade.so we are owed trillions don’t make a fuss when the king will bow to the real queen fulani,bare no grudges if u bringing 300 years of stories do you want us Africans to start with history?look at your entitled self and drink tea my friend.u in a cold place and gas is expensive now aways.i don’t tolerate bigotry of any kind.we on the high ground here you can’t look at us black peoples down when all we do is look at you in disgust of your wickedness.say less about queen fulani she knows where she is from.you playing with badjan women Google there prime minister.they know where they from is not an island.
Shut up wokie, nobody’s taking your nonsense anymore.
Why are all your countries such economic, cultural, financial, commercial, and industrial failures, with no democracy, agriculture or technological skills, run by corrupt and brutal dictators?
You do realise a great many economists are labelling the UK’s similarities with some emerging economies? Dose of realism.
Was immediately clear this incident would make a lot of Monarchists, anti-woke-ists, and even more so anti-Megan Markle-ists v uncomfortable, although of course they’d deny it. The exposure of such utter arrogance never a good look. And confirmation Megan may just have had a point even more distressing for her foaming at the mouth critics. The entitlement to interrogate an invited guest who was clearly uncomfortable can probably only be found in those who feel they are born to rule. The fact she felt empowered to harass a guest in her official capacity tells us that the problem is potentially the culture of the whole edifice. And harassment is what it was. Any normal person would have backed off quite quickly.
Remember the Palace banned ‘coloured immigrants or foreigners’ from serving in the royal household until at least the late 60s and has never apologised for that. They then made sure the Palace was exempt from Equality laws. Err why? So you can carry on discriminating against people on account of race or sex? Hussey’s formative years were no doubt under this sort of culture.
The idea that this a momentary lack of tact is a poor excuse and new Charles/William regime seemed to get it pretty quickly to their credit. I’m no fan of the institution but they’ve better chance of surviving if they grasp the need for change and seems they agree.
Hunkering down won’t work. This stuff will continually drip-drip. Much better to ‘run to the fire’ and seize the opportunity to show a really new regime is now in place.
The incident was trivial. Someone with genuine dignity and self-respect would ignore it.
Another white man playing the race card. You all seem to believe you’re better at detecting and quantifying racism than black people, and if you don’t see it then black people must be making it up. We should rename it ‘whitesplaining race card’. You also profess to know how best to respond to racism!
‘Utter arrogance’ and ‘culture of the whole edifice’ is blowing the whole thing out of proportion. When you have a guest whose ancestors manifestly did not come from Yorkshire, curiosity and questions about that person’s background is both natural and reasonable. Either side should have been able to avoid this escalating into a problem. The courtier should have learned to deal with this kind of situation and should obviously have desisted and changed the subject, even when faced with what seemed like a wilful refusal to understand or answer a natural question. And the guest should by now have learned a way to answer such questions in a way that satisfy reasonable curiosity without either accepting any undesired assumptions or provoking a fight. Even if she is sick and tired of being asked and suspects there are racist reasons. Something like ‘I am from Barnsley, (or wherever) actually, but my ancestors were West African if that is what you mean’ might do the trick.
As the host, and a representative of the sovereign, the courtier has an obligation to put people at their ease, whereas the guest has the right to be awkward if she so chooses (certainly to a mere underling). A polite apology and a resignation are reasonable enough. Having the King and Queen meet for apologetic ‘talks’ is way over the top.
I also found the ‘incident’ both racist and rude, just completely the reverse and at odds with ‘your’ take.
Lady Hussey wasn’t decoration, or even there to take on the DoE’s mantle, she had a job, of assisting the QCon. What was her job ? It was to identify ‘interesting’ people, or groups, who were ‘pleasant’ and ‘easy’ to speak to. It was then to discover some interesting facts, background, details (colour, if you will) about the person and what they did (I assume the event was ‘not’ a personal meet and greet, but instead a ‘networking’ event, with patronage and ‘gloss’ provided by the QCon. Lady Hussey was doing her job. She approached a ‘colourful’ individual, with an ‘unusual’ name and tried to ‘discover’ ‘interesting’ factoids about the woman and her background. Given the ‘environment’ (noisy chatter) Lady Hussey’s age (82 ?), that she might not have the hearing of a 20 year old and that her function was SPECIFICALLY to discover interesting details AND PREVENT THE QCon FROM MAKING EMBARRASSING SOCIAL FO-PAH’s or meeting ‘uninteresting’ people, it is no surprise that she ‘needed’ to ‘see’ the name badge and delve into the background ‘colour’ of the person she was speaking too. She was, in fact ‘complimenting’ her, she had singled her out, from the crowd, as somebody who ‘might’ be worth presenting to the QCon for a ‘personal chat’.
The fact that the founder of SoulSista (?), who takes evident pride in her ‘African’ heritage (dress sense and adopted name) should be offended by being asked about it, because the person doing the asking is ‘white’, and therefore ‘obviously ‘race-ist’, while attending ‘their’ function, is not only extremely rude but smacks of the race-ist behaviour she claims to so abore (sorry, don’t know how to spell it).
The fact that the absolutely ‘worst’ interpretation has been applied to the ‘incident’, and reinforced, by those who should ‘absolutely’ know better, against some of the best connected, and most loyal servants, and goes unchallenged is a possible ‘frightening’ foretaste of where power, and truth, is heading.
(I believe it is ‘abhor’, BTW).
Poor excuses chaps, further compounding the underlying blindspot I fear. This lady gave an answer and any intelligent person would have accepted that and not keep pushing for the answer they wanted – i.e ‘you aren’t really from here are you’. It beholds us to listen to how it feels from people on the end of this and stop assuming we, in our wisdom, can state how it feels for them. If you’ve had this crap all your life you no doubt feel different.
The ‘you aren’t really from here are you’ part is simply not true (I could put it stronger than that). Not in most cases, anyway. It may be genuinely felt that way by the recipient, but that is not the message being sent.
OK, I am not black, but as the father of two transracially adopted children you get a lot of experience with more or less appropriate questions, and how to answer them. People are obviously interested and curious, even about things that you may not want to talk about, but it is not that hard to be polite and accept people’s curiosity while still setting some boundaries. After all, the curiosity is natural, once you see my face alongside my childrens’. So you smile and relax, and say things like ‘Yes, they are brother and sister – now – but they were not born that way‘. Or ‘We would rather not talk about the details of their birth family, because that is their own story to share with strangers, but adoptions from country X are generally for this kind of reason.’ I do not think I ever got a reference to their ‘real’ parents, but the answer would have been ‘Oh, we are real – but their birth parents were …”.
It is only if you decide that you are going to be offended by peoples’ curiosity and demand that they find a way to protect your sensibilities without any help from you that you run into social problems. You can certainly decide that people are always out to get you, and mount an aggressive defence. You might even have cause – but that will not make life easier either for yourself or for people around you.
I am Orcadian/British but have happily been ‘English’ all my overseas working life. I know that most of the World erroneously but not maliciously names the British Isles/Great Britain/ United Kingdom by the word ‘England’: so, to avoid petty parochialism and make life easy …..
You’re being too polite to the woke t**d.
You’re being too polite to the woke t**d.
Another white man instructing us on how to handle racism. If only there were more of you… (smirk)
The complainant changed her name to a spurious African one, turned up in a parody of African dress, and goes on about being proud of her ‘African heritage’.
Yet claims to be on the receiving end of abusive behaviour when somebody actually notices her little performance?
Come off it, mate.
And incidentally, I have from time to time been on the receiving end of ‘this crap’. Not asked where I’m from but having it insisted upon that I’m Spanish, Italian, Turkish, or French (not all at once, you understand). My wife – like me, of unremarkable English appearance – had a caller at the door (someone from the Caribbean to guess by her appearance and accent) repeatedly absolutely insist that my wife was ‘really’ from Italy or Greece.
Was any of this ‘like violence’? Or ‘abuse’? Please, don’t be so silly.
Because she identify herself African,men are changing into women,women into men we don’t even know who tge real man and woman is anymore unless there bare us a child naturally you talking about a black person who reflects on her past and identified herself not as a former slave like the lot of you ll want but took back her African name that was taking from her.thats why you want to justify bigotry?that place is marred in wickedness from its being built by African and indian wealth your crowns are full of African gems yet still the black person can’t be free like you.cmon.you serving on blacks and all others.what does uk have and what did they do apart from robbing and killing and taking.a black person has to be interrogated like a criminal always by the worst of peoples in this world today.no morality nor respect for no one but expect everyone to accept.long live fulani in your mouths make her relevant.with more ganging up on her the more she ll open doors for more blacks to be free from your bigotry.
Shut up with your anti-white racism. You’re disgusting.
I do hope you make it to 83 whilst never making even the most trivial faux pas.
Me and yiu can sit in one place and mind our business.most here having any sort of mercy on that lady are like the lady!they ll think they the only British.i swear most ll ask rishi sunak where he is from not knowing he is the prime minister hahahaha
Where are you really from, wokie?
Racism is a term like Fascist. Devalued by careless inaccurate use.
Racism requires a belief in superiority of one race over another and intentional malice.
This trivial event failed those tests .
But she is not of African heritage; she is of Caribbean heritage so she was confronted with her own hypocrisy when asked the question.
Mate, almost all Caribbean heritage is ultimately of African heritage. Seriously?
All Caribbean people are of African descent. Duh…
Another white man playing the race card. You all seem to believe you’re better at detecting and quantifying racism than black people, and if you don’t see it then black people must be making it up. We should rename it ‘whitesplaining race card’. You also profess to know how best to respond to racism! Apparently there’s no limit to how much more intuitive white men think they are. Oh dear. It must really annoy you when black people share their experiences with each other on their social media – what you call ‘running to the press.” It must be so self-delusional not knowing you have an ethnic prism, and foolishly positing your off the mark gibberish as coherent, objective and rational. Newsflash: you’re just another white man who has NO idea he wears blinkers, and couldn’t possibly decipher what’s going on beyond them. But carry on making a pompous ass of yourself. It’s always amusing to see how utterly clueless you are without ever realizing it.
Ngozi nee Marlene changed her name so that she sounded more African. Isn’t that some sort of “Blacking-up’? [Edited for incorrect spellig of target name]
Especially as she is not of African origin, her parents were Windrush from Barbados. For some reason she seems to have ‘adopted’ her Nigerian persona.
Why not or you want her lost like you did her ancestors.you enslave black peoples in every corner of the globe mix us with all kinds of peoples just so we forget who we are and will still pester us asking us who we are and where we from.get off of your high horses.racism is racism period.sometimes u need to look in the mirror before making a comment making you look like fools.fulani has every right as a British citizen to complain about the woman’s bigotry.dont touch me asking me shit and keep on till I get irritated then make it like its nothing.from a blackman who’s mix raced daughter is stolen and given to white peoples because you lot think you know it all.piss off the lot of you justifying that evil privileged woman.
Where are you really from, woke t**d?
You do know that ultimately most Caribbean heritage was African heritage????
Marlene. And her mother is Mildred, her father Gladstone, but best of all her sister, sorry sistah, is called Sharon.
The man changing from a man to woman isn’t that insanity?
She also named herself after an ethnic group who were slave traders.
Remember the Palace banned coloured immigrants……the late 60s. I havent done any research on this point but didn’t Queen Victoria have at least one Indian in her household staff?
Harry and meghans child too black to be in the Palace.look who’s talking.since when did white peoples let black peoples in the sitting place,even to shit we shit in different toilets i wondered if it was the same drainage system we even used i doibt it hahaha.not even hundred years ago black peoples used to be paraded in zoos.dont justify your wicked ways still.make go home and reflect on her racism.be and let be England is ruled by an Indian 50 percent bla bla doesn’t work unless u want to bring back the KKK them old days of racism is long gone
Do one, wokie.
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