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February 20, 2023 - 2:00pm
If readers were asked to guess whether support among mainland Britons for Northern Ireland remaining part of the United Kingdom would be higher or lower today than in 1998, which would you pick?
Following years of post-Brexit wrangling, Brussels and its sympathisers have told a very one-sided story about the Belfast Agreement and the threat to it posed variously by ‘English nationalist’ Brexiteers and truculent Ulster Unionists.
Little has been done to challenge this narrative, even as Rishi Sunak today seems to be pushing back the announcement of yet another effort to resolve the running sore that is the Irish Sea customs border. So it may be surprising to learn the following from the latest British Social Attitudes survey:
The BSA does not drill down into why they feel this way. However, one possibility is the end of the IRA’s terrorist campaign on the mainland; another is that the Belfast Agreement itself legitimised the Province’s British status in British minds, making the ‘Troops Out!’ view that the UK was an occupying power holding Ulster through force harder to maintain.
While it should be noted that support in Northern Ireland for Irish reunification has risen from 14% in 2015 to 30% now, the British figures are remarkable numbers nonetheless. This is especially so given the widespread assertion that many Brexiteers are ‘English nationalists’ who dislike the EU more than they value other parts of the Union.
It suggests to me that, for all that both the Conservatives and the Unionists have botched making their case since 2016, the very fact of Northern Ireland being a big part of the national debate over the past few years has helped to rekindle support for its position.
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SubscribeThere have been two Irish born British Prime Ministers, but none for nearly 200 years. For as long as Northern Ireland returns MPs from regional parties only, it can never have a locally elected minister. Within the past three decades there has been a Scottish Prime Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer (2), Foreign Secretary (2), Home Secretary, Defence Secretary (4), and President of the Board of Trade (2). For as long as the SNP dominate Scottish politics, there will never be another. This is how regional parties drive a wedge between different parts of the UK.
There have been two Irish born British Prime Ministers, but none for nearly 200 years. For as long as Northern Ireland returns MPs from regional parties only, it can never have a locally elected minister. Within the past three decades there has been a Scottish Prime Minister, Chancellor of the Exchequer (2), Foreign Secretary (2), Home Secretary, Defence Secretary (4), and President of the Board of Trade (2). For as long as the SNP dominate Scottish politics, there will never be another. This is how regional parties drive a wedge between different parts of the UK.
Mainland Brits won’t be arbiter of whether reunification happens or not. One suspects that the underlying theme for decades in mainland attitudes has been that the Irish and the Northern Irish can decide and ‘mainlanders’ largely agnostic. But please could the Irish debate and decide with civility and we’ll help where we can etc.
One suspects though that a sensible protocol mk2 compromise will leave the North with the potential best of both worlds and things will settle down. Let’s hope so.
Mainland Brits won’t be arbiter of whether reunification happens or not. One suspects that the underlying theme for decades in mainland attitudes has been that the Irish and the Northern Irish can decide and ‘mainlanders’ largely agnostic. But please could the Irish debate and decide with civility and we’ll help where we can etc.
One suspects though that a sensible protocol mk2 compromise will leave the North with the potential best of both worlds and things will settle down. Let’s hope so.
I’ve only been to Northern Ireland once, about 5 years ago to play golf, since you ask. Every ‘protestant’ I spoke to said they didn’t really care whether they were part of Ireland or the UK, except that the UK has an NHS whereas Ireland doesn’t – all they wanted was a fair and competent government, especially since the referenda on abortion and gay marriage had kicked the church into touch. So sort that out and unite Ireland asap, please! Of course the Irish government, whatever they say, don’t really want unification because Ulster is so poor, but they can’t say that and Germany sucked it up so they should as well. Go on, do us all a favour and get on with it!
Fianna Gael don’t want a united Ireland, Sinn Fein still do. it looks like SF will win the next election
It was the Republic, not Northern Ireland, that had referenda on abortion and gay marriage.
Northern Ireland, despite decades of terrorist-inspired stagnation, still has a higher standard of living than the Republic. GDP per capita numbers are very unreliable for Ireland. As to why, Google ‘Leprechaun economics.’
The Republic is uninterested in Northern Ireland because of the much higher (and, for Dublin, unaffordable) social spending – much of it on healthcare.
Apart from that, Mr. Price’s comment is perfectly accurate.
“Northern Ireland, despite decades of terrorist-inspired stagnation, still has a higher standard of living than the Republic.”
I’d like to see convincing evidence of that.
I know the referenda were in the Republic – what I meant was that while the South was dominated by the Church it was understandable that the North would have nothing to do with it, but now that link has been broken and a, possibly the, major barrier to unification has been torn down.
Mr. Price seems to have a mindset which thinks that it is ‘natural’ for an island to be a single political entity. It’s not a mindset the SNP would share, for obvious reasons!
It’s not even true. There are islands around the world which have two or more political entities on them. Indeed, the East Timorese objected very strongly to unification with Indonesia.
Rather than seeing NI/RoI unification as ‘natural’, it might be better to see it as one option, the others being the status quo and UK/RoI unification.
Mr. Price seems to have a mindset which thinks that it is ‘natural’ for an island to be a single political entity. It’s not a mindset the SNP would share, for obvious reasons!
It’s not even true. There are islands around the world which have two or more political entities on them. Indeed, the East Timorese objected very strongly to unification with Indonesia.
Rather than seeing NI/RoI unification as ‘natural’, it might be better to see it as one option, the others being the status quo and UK/RoI unification.
“Northern Ireland, despite decades of terrorist-inspired stagnation, still has a higher standard of living than the Republic.”
I’d like to see convincing evidence of that.
I know the referenda were in the Republic – what I meant was that while the South was dominated by the Church it was understandable that the North would have nothing to do with it, but now that link has been broken and a, possibly the, major barrier to unification has been torn down.
Fianna Gael don’t want a united Ireland, Sinn Fein still do. it looks like SF will win the next election
It was the Republic, not Northern Ireland, that had referenda on abortion and gay marriage.
Northern Ireland, despite decades of terrorist-inspired stagnation, still has a higher standard of living than the Republic. GDP per capita numbers are very unreliable for Ireland. As to why, Google ‘Leprechaun economics.’
The Republic is uninterested in Northern Ireland because of the much higher (and, for Dublin, unaffordable) social spending – much of it on healthcare.
Apart from that, Mr. Price’s comment is perfectly accurate.
I’ve only been to Northern Ireland once, about 5 years ago to play golf, since you ask. Every ‘protestant’ I spoke to said they didn’t really care whether they were part of Ireland or the UK, except that the UK has an NHS whereas Ireland doesn’t – all they wanted was a fair and competent government, especially since the referenda on abortion and gay marriage had kicked the church into touch. So sort that out and unite Ireland asap, please! Of course the Irish government, whatever they say, don’t really want unification because Ulster is so poor, but they can’t say that and Germany sucked it up so they should as well. Go on, do us all a favour and get on with it!
I doubt if many mainland British citizens have thoughts about Northern Ireland. It has not been in the headlines much, certainly not as much as Scotland. Thoughts are triggered by something happening, not by something not happening.
I see myself as widely read but I studiously avoid any articles or books on Northern Ireland because everything is too extreme, too full of hate. I don’t think you can comment unless you live there but then your comments must be biased by your own individual history.
Way back in the 1980s I sat next to a journalist on a flight to Germany. He was the NI reporter for The Frankfurter Allgemeine. He said that NI was just a disaster area – no logic, no right or wrong, no real politics – just an area full of pointless hatred.
With ‘analysis’ like that, the reporter must have had fun with the Balkans, the following decade!
He was right, but that phenomenon is the primitive tribal politics people are inclined fall back on with the greatest of ease.
The most dangerous human condition of all is organised and institutionalised resentment.
With ‘analysis’ like that, the reporter must have had fun with the Balkans, the following decade!
He was right, but that phenomenon is the primitive tribal politics people are inclined fall back on with the greatest of ease.
The most dangerous human condition of all is organised and institutionalised resentment.
I doubt if many mainland British citizens have thoughts about Northern Ireland. It has not been in the headlines much, certainly not as much as Scotland. Thoughts are triggered by something happening, not by something not happening.
I see myself as widely read but I studiously avoid any articles or books on Northern Ireland because everything is too extreme, too full of hate. I don’t think you can comment unless you live there but then your comments must be biased by your own individual history.
Way back in the 1980s I sat next to a journalist on a flight to Germany. He was the NI reporter for The Frankfurter Allgemeine. He said that NI was just a disaster area – no logic, no right or wrong, no real politics – just an area full of pointless hatred.
Is it Unherd’s Survey Commentary day today?