In all seriousness, and in the light of the vital need to protect women-only spaces, I can’t help thinking this might not be the victory its pursuers believe. If nothing else, it becomes a rhetorical weapon against women.
UnHerd Reader
11 days ago
They do have women’s toilets I hope?
David Morley
11 days ago
I’m sure once we’ve sorted out all their problems for them elite feminists will turn their attention to women who are far less well off than them and struggling to make ends meet. Don’t hold your breath though.
My thoughts exactly. The kind of woman who wants to join this type of establishment isn’t the type to bother themselves about their less wealthy or notable bretheren.
Women want their own spaces; the protection argument is largely a fig-leaf to allow them the hypocrisy of denying men theirs.
Women want the fun of attention-seeking in a male space. They enjoy the power of disrupting male congeniality.
Women seek to destroy everything that belongs to men.
The toilet issue would raise it’s ‘ugly ‘ head again. (sorry couldn’t help the treble entendre)…
Allison Barrows
11 days ago
Why can’t these females grow into adulthood with grace? Why do they have to shriek their way into places not meant for them? Would a bunch of guys hanging out in a neighbor’s garage man cave have to put up with this? Would any woman want to hang out in a garage man cave? Good grief, ladies. Will you ever be done ruining everything?
nadnadnerb
11 days ago
Sting and Jacob Rees Moog (sic) could form an “interesting” (i.e, boring) electro-pop band! Let’s call it “Elastrator”.
Simon James
11 days ago
Fair point. You can tell this is not a serious attempt to break up the ‘old boy network’ because it is not accompanied by calls to close all private schools. They do more to facilitate access to a clique of the powerful – male and female – than the Garrick and its ilk.
No, but it does explain how the erasure of men’s spaces is now leading to the erasure of women’s spaces. Feminine appeal has all but disappeared in the West.
So you see an equivalence between ensuring safe spaces for women so they’re not victims of sexual harassment and worse while changing or using toilets, and having a “safe space” for a glass of port with your chums?
Benedict Waterson
11 days ago
Meanwhile, men move gleefully in the other direction, towards female public lavatories. Progress! of the symbolic kind!
Alex Lekas
11 days ago
On the one hand, many women do not want men in female-only places; on the other, they want to crash the male-only spaces. That is some curious logic.
Stateside, the Boy Scouts just renamed itself. In the name of inclusivity, of course. No such hand-wringing within the Girl Scouts for some reason.
As the writer here points out no they don’t. For the vast majority of women the Garrick and other private clubs are immaterial. We would however like to use the toilets or change our clothes without men looking on. We are happy to offer the same courtesy to men.
Chipoko
11 days ago
Terminate BBC Radio 4 Women’s Hour – or create a Men’s Hour!
“Woman’s Hour” is an hour six days a week, of feminist propaganda. It should be renamed “Misandry Hour.”.
The BBC World Service should be called the Woke Service. It tends to take a very anti British line.
jules Ritchie
11 days ago
I wonder why there’s isn’t a long line of male applicants trying to join women’s clubs? I read somewhere that there’s a 13year wait for new memberships at Garricks so I hope that a lot of men have put the names down just so that wait is extended to 30years. We’ll see how long the girls want to hang around then.
I don’t know if you’ve been following the news but there aren’t really any women’s clubs. The ones that started seems to have failed there is the women’s Institute but they all admit men of course the men have to dress like women but they are absolutely welcomed.
Emmanuel MARTIN
11 days ago
The Garrick voters are idiots and traitors.
There are hundreds of mixed sex club, but caving to ennemies wanting tio change their club was presumed to be a ggood idea.
Only when accompanied by their partners and awfulness the upper middle-class white man
Bernard Hill
10 days ago
…the reason the shouty AWFL types need to invade male spaces as of right, is because, as Mary H’s earlier article on the Garrick implied, women only spaces quickly become completely toxic. In the company of gentlemen, perhaps they can be ladies.
Kevin Kilcoyne
10 days ago
The idea that there is something misogynistic about the male desire to be around other men without the presence of women is overtly misandrist. It shouldn’t need saying, but men and women tend to be different. There are of course exceptions to this, and any individual may display traits of the opposite sex – but by and large there are behaviors/comportments that are commonly unique to each sex.
Why is it that male only spaces have a reputation for being ‘toxic’ while female only are ‘safe spaces’? I believe it is because masculinity itself has come to be seen as toxic. Assertiveness, strength, bravery, and dominance are all seen to be damaging to the plight of those who do not display them, and ought to be restrained in favor of empathy, compassion, tolerance, and kindness. Rather than an understanding and acceptance that a combination of all of these traits together are what’s needed to make society work.
From experience, female-only spaces can be every bit as toxic as their male counterparts when it boils down to it.
…females merely hen pick to establish hierarchy, within which no individual has space. Men, having the capacity for deadly violence, recognize and allow each individual’s space within a hierarchy. Hence females, in seeking an order of compassion for all things create tumult and chaos, and men seeking dominance over all things end up creating a stable order. The wisdom of Eastern yin and yang.
Dr. G Marzanna
3 days ago
Agree.
Still in my experience of private members clubs, as a guest, the nicest were the most traditional. As far as I know they all admitted women as guests, which is perfect good by me.
The trendy ones were awful; supposedly aimed at “creatives” they were full of marketing and PR people, not actors and artists. Loud, coke in the loo, pushy etc. vile.
In all seriousness, and in the light of the vital need to protect women-only spaces, I can’t help thinking this might not be the victory its pursuers believe. If nothing else, it becomes a rhetorical weapon against women.
They do have women’s toilets I hope?
I’m sure once we’ve sorted out all their problems for them elite feminists will turn their attention to women who are far less well off than them and struggling to make ends meet. Don’t hold your breath though.
My thoughts exactly. The kind of woman who wants to join this type of establishment isn’t the type to bother themselves about their less wealthy or notable bretheren.
Women want their own spaces; the protection argument is largely a fig-leaf to allow them the hypocrisy of denying men theirs.
Women want the fun of attention-seeking in a male space. They enjoy the power of disrupting male congeniality.
Women seek to destroy everything that belongs to men.
To some women the idea of a man enjoying himself with something that has nothing to do with them is complete anathema.
I’m afraid I didn’t get past the “don’t trim their nose hair “. I’ll be having nightmares for the rest of the week.
Just wait till the wimmin stop trimmin theirs…
I’m surprised they didn’t just vote to admit trans-women. Although none would be likely to join, it would have kept the feminists at bay.
The toilet issue would raise it’s ‘ugly ‘ head again. (sorry couldn’t help the treble entendre)…
Why can’t these females grow into adulthood with grace? Why do they have to shriek their way into places not meant for them? Would a bunch of guys hanging out in a neighbor’s garage man cave have to put up with this? Would any woman want to hang out in a garage man cave? Good grief, ladies. Will you ever be done ruining everything?
Sting and Jacob Rees Moog (sic) could form an “interesting” (i.e, boring) electro-pop band! Let’s call it “Elastrator”.
Fair point. You can tell this is not a serious attempt to break up the ‘old boy network’ because it is not accompanied by calls to close all private schools. They do more to facilitate access to a clique of the powerful – male and female – than the Garrick and its ilk.
I’m sure they don’t want to join the Garrick
They just want to spoil it for everyone else.
After progressive women smashed men’s clubs and the boy scouts it gets a little less easy to sympathise with them over women’s only spaces.
So you’d be happy with the likes of Katie Dolatowski (check him out) having access to women’s spaces? That says a great deal.
,,,consequences QR.
No, but it does explain how the erasure of men’s spaces is now leading to the erasure of women’s spaces. Feminine appeal has all but disappeared in the West.
So you see an equivalence between ensuring safe spaces for women so they’re not victims of sexual harassment and worse while changing or using toilets, and having a “safe space” for a glass of port with your chums?
Meanwhile, men move gleefully in the other direction, towards female public lavatories. Progress! of the symbolic kind!
On the one hand, many women do not want men in female-only places; on the other, they want to crash the male-only spaces. That is some curious logic.
Stateside, the Boy Scouts just renamed itself. In the name of inclusivity, of course. No such hand-wringing within the Girl Scouts for some reason.
Feminism tying itself up in knots.
They are a curious gender Alex
..akshully, the girls hate being on their own… and they’re better off when their are just amongst “us”.
As the writer here points out no they don’t. For the vast majority of women the Garrick and other private clubs are immaterial. We would however like to use the toilets or change our clothes without men looking on. We are happy to offer the same courtesy to men.
Terminate BBC Radio 4 Women’s Hour – or create a Men’s Hour!
“Woman’s Hour” is an hour six days a week, of feminist propaganda. It should be renamed “Misandry Hour.”.
The BBC World Service should be called the Woke Service. It tends to take a very anti British line.
I wonder why there’s isn’t a long line of male applicants trying to join women’s clubs? I read somewhere that there’s a 13year wait for new memberships at Garricks so I hope that a lot of men have put the names down just so that wait is extended to 30years. We’ll see how long the girls want to hang around then.
I don’t know if you’ve been following the news but there aren’t really any women’s clubs. The ones that started seems to have failed there is the women’s Institute but they all admit men of course the men have to dress like women but they are absolutely welcomed.
The Garrick voters are idiots and traitors.
There are hundreds of mixed sex club, but caving to ennemies wanting tio change their club was presumed to be a ggood idea.
Soooooo whaaaaaaaat?
…sorry missed the point ?
Upper middle.class white women. Literally the worst people on earth.
Only when accompanied by their partners and awfulness the upper middle-class white man
…the reason the shouty AWFL types need to invade male spaces as of right, is because, as Mary H’s earlier article on the Garrick implied, women only spaces quickly become completely toxic. In the company of gentlemen, perhaps they can be ladies.
The idea that there is something misogynistic about the male desire to be around other men without the presence of women is overtly misandrist. It shouldn’t need saying, but men and women tend to be different. There are of course exceptions to this, and any individual may display traits of the opposite sex – but by and large there are behaviors/comportments that are commonly unique to each sex.
Why is it that male only spaces have a reputation for being ‘toxic’ while female only are ‘safe spaces’? I believe it is because masculinity itself has come to be seen as toxic. Assertiveness, strength, bravery, and dominance are all seen to be damaging to the plight of those who do not display them, and ought to be restrained in favor of empathy, compassion, tolerance, and kindness. Rather than an understanding and acceptance that a combination of all of these traits together are what’s needed to make society work.
From experience, female-only spaces can be every bit as toxic as their male counterparts when it boils down to it.
…females merely hen pick to establish hierarchy, within which no individual has space. Men, having the capacity for deadly violence, recognize and allow each individual’s space within a hierarchy. Hence females, in seeking an order of compassion for all things create tumult and chaos, and men seeking dominance over all things end up creating a stable order. The wisdom of Eastern yin and yang.
Agree.
Still in my experience of private members clubs, as a guest, the nicest were the most traditional. As far as I know they all admitted women as guests, which is perfect good by me.
The trendy ones were awful; supposedly aimed at “creatives” they were full of marketing and PR people, not actors and artists. Loud, coke in the loo, pushy etc. vile.