January 16, 2023 - 7:00am
Rishi Sunak said that he has “concerns” about the impact of Scotland’s Gender Recognition Reform Bill (GRR Bill); Keir Starmer has also now expressed similar concerns. The Bill, if it does what the Scottish Government intends it to do, could unilaterally change the operation of equality law throughout the United Kingdom. Respect for democracy will demand that the UK government has a say over that.
The Bill seeks to change the rules around how one might change one’s legal sex. Specifically, if enacted, it will remove the requirement to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, shorten the wait time from two years to three months, and lower the age to include children from the age of sixteen. This will be available to anyone resident in Scotland or who was born in Scotland and now lives elsewhere.
Currently, it is not entirely clear whether a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) issued under this system will be valid throughout the United Kingdom. This is certainly the intention of the Scottish government. The policy memorandum for the Bill claims that “although the Bill changes the process by which legal gender recognition can be obtained and the criteria, it does not change the effects of a GRC and the rights and responsibilities which a person has on obtaining legal gender recognition”.
Despite the lack of clarity over how the law will operate, the argument is that the GRR Bill does not create a certificate that is distinct from the UK GRC. Instead, the legislation introduces a new method by which those resident or born in Scotland can apply for a UK GRC.
If that is correct, then the Scottish Parliament has just voted to change the operation of the law relating to legal sex changes for the entirety of the UK, without the consent of the UK Parliament. Leaving aside the potential effects this Bill could have on the reserved matter of equality law, there are also other issues of democratic legitimacy at play here.
In response to an earlier announcement from Westminster that the Government is considering intervening to limit the effect that this Bill will have on the Equality Act, Scottish ministers stated: “Any attempt by the UK Government to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish Parliament will be vigorously contested by the Scottish Government.” But what happens when the will of Holyrood is to change the operation of a system throughout the United Kingdom, including where it has no democratic mandate to govern?
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Subscribe“Nobody in the rest of the UK voted for these changes.”
Lets be a little more specific – Nobody voted for this in Scotland either !
Absolutely. So where are the Scottish voices?
We constantly hear from the SNP about how we are trying to thwart the rights of the Scottish people, without ever asking the Scottish people their views.
I’m rarely known for my gay abandon, but I’m bug-ered if I know !
There has been a lot of resistance and protest in Scotland, paradoxically from women’s rights organisations whose members had most likely voted SNP or Green.
Paradoxically, the only political party concerned with defending actual women’s rights are the Conservatives.
Paradoxically, the only political party concerned with defending actual women’s rights are the Conservatives.
I’m rarely known for my gay abandon, but I’m bug-ered if I know !
There has been a lot of resistance and protest in Scotland, paradoxically from women’s rights organisations whose members had most likely voted SNP or Green.
Yes and not, but more not than yes.
The SNP were well known for their proclivities before the elections, and so were the greens. Nobody can claim that this came out of nowhere.
Alba spelt out their opposition to this bill, but still got nowhere.
Also, if there was an election tomorrow the SNP would still win hands down.
I think “wheesht for indy” sums it up quite well.
What I don’t understand is why labour got captured too. That makes NO sense whatsoever, especially considering that their amendments got voted down.
My take on it is that Sarwar is trying to win back the lefty-liberal middle class and yoof vote from the SNP and Greens.
That would be very shortsighted because there are few of them and, being mostly young, they are unlikely to vote in droves.
However, it has made impossible for me (who do vote!) to vote for them.
I would very gladly not vote again for the Tories, but can I really vote for *this* Labour party? I couldn’t, but maybe that’s just me.
That would be very shortsighted because there are few of them and, being mostly young, they are unlikely to vote in droves.
However, it has made impossible for me (who do vote!) to vote for them.
I would very gladly not vote again for the Tories, but can I really vote for *this* Labour party? I couldn’t, but maybe that’s just me.
My take on it is that Sarwar is trying to win back the lefty-liberal middle class and yoof vote from the SNP and Greens.
The majority of MSPs from all parties voted for it
Apart from the Conservatives. The only party to allow a free vote and not whip their MSPs.
Apart from the Conservatives. The only party to allow a free vote and not whip their MSPs.
Absolutely. So where are the Scottish voices?
We constantly hear from the SNP about how we are trying to thwart the rights of the Scottish people, without ever asking the Scottish people their views.
Yes and not, but more not than yes.
The SNP were well known for their proclivities before the elections, and so were the greens. Nobody can claim that this came out of nowhere.
Alba spelt out their opposition to this bill, but still got nowhere.
Also, if there was an election tomorrow the SNP would still win hands down.
I think “wheesht for indy” sums it up quite well.
What I don’t understand is why labour got captured too. That makes NO sense whatsoever, especially considering that their amendments got voted down.
The majority of MSPs from all parties voted for it
“Nobody in the rest of the UK voted for these changes.”
Lets be a little more specific – Nobody voted for this in Scotland either !
“This will be available to anyone resident in Scotland or who was born in Scotland and now lives elsewhere. “
Funny, that ! When it came to the independence referendum, in 2014 (and maybe a future referendum, irrespective of where people came from), only people ‘living’ in Scotland counted. NOW, ‘Queen’ Nicola ‘appears’ to be claiming dominion over ‘ALL’ Scots, wherever they may be found. How much more evidence do we need, that she serves ‘only’ her own narrow self interests, and that even the cause for which she pretends to champion and fight for is a ‘poor, abused, far distant second !
When you are running a political machine the voters are just the feedstock.
One might imagine then that if it applies to Scottish people outside Scotland that the Scottish government would equally insist that Scots living outside Scotland should also be able to vote in independence referendums. Only they don’t.
No consistency.
Quite apart from it obviously being illegal to pass extra-territorial legislation for which the devolved Scottish parliament has no remit or authority. Do these clueless clowns have any idea what they’re doing ?
When you are running a political machine the voters are just the feedstock.
One might imagine then that if it applies to Scottish people outside Scotland that the Scottish government would equally insist that Scots living outside Scotland should also be able to vote in independence referendums. Only they don’t.
No consistency.
Quite apart from it obviously being illegal to pass extra-territorial legislation for which the devolved Scottish parliament has no remit or authority. Do these clueless clowns have any idea what they’re doing ?
“This will be available to anyone resident in Scotland or who was born in Scotland and now lives elsewhere. “
Funny, that ! When it came to the independence referendum, in 2014 (and maybe a future referendum, irrespective of where people came from), only people ‘living’ in Scotland counted. NOW, ‘Queen’ Nicola ‘appears’ to be claiming dominion over ‘ALL’ Scots, wherever they may be found. How much more evidence do we need, that she serves ‘only’ her own narrow self interests, and that even the cause for which she pretends to champion and fight for is a ‘poor, abused, far distant second !
Tony Blair’s ticking timebomb of a policy finally rears its ugly head. What a disaster that man was.
Still is.
A disaster for the citizens of the UK but I’m sure Blair believes he achieved all that he set out to do.
…..an £ enriched disaster!
Yet the appalling legislature introduced under Blair and Brown is all still statute and unrepealed. This after 13 years of Tory / coalition rule. What does that say about what the executive really want? In particular the HRA and Equalities Act
Still is.
A disaster for the citizens of the UK but I’m sure Blair believes he achieved all that he set out to do.
…..an £ enriched disaster!
Yet the appalling legislature introduced under Blair and Brown is all still statute and unrepealed. This after 13 years of Tory / coalition rule. What does that say about what the executive really want? In particular the HRA and Equalities Act
Tony Blair’s ticking timebomb of a policy finally rears its ugly head. What a disaster that man was.
Arguments were made in submissions to the 2015 trans inquiry, in submissions to the 2018 GRA consultation, and in many other debates over the years, on exactly this point. The lobbying for trans ‘rights’ has never thought to consider the impact on Equality Act protections for other groups, and shamefully the politicians have not listened to the (mostly) women sounding the alarm. Now, here we are. Quite a lot of women will be rolling their eyes watching this story play out.
It affects a lot more than women’s rights. Reducing age 18 to 16. Even the UN recognises a child to be under 18 years of age. Three months living as opposite sex from 2 years. No clinical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and self identification.
It affects a lot more than women’s rights. Reducing age 18 to 16. Even the UN recognises a child to be under 18 years of age. Three months living as opposite sex from 2 years. No clinical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and self identification.
Arguments were made in submissions to the 2015 trans inquiry, in submissions to the 2018 GRA consultation, and in many other debates over the years, on exactly this point. The lobbying for trans ‘rights’ has never thought to consider the impact on Equality Act protections for other groups, and shamefully the politicians have not listened to the (mostly) women sounding the alarm. Now, here we are. Quite a lot of women will be rolling their eyes watching this story play out.
This is perhaps the only open goal that Sunak has to score. Public opinion is behind him he should be taking a firm stand. This would also weaken Starmer – and, by asserting the near unassailable arguments against this bill – probably discredit and suck power from Sturgeon.
The apparent hestitancy though – like in many other areas – seems unfortunately to point to forces at work behind the scenes. An invisible hand that persistently works against the interests and opinions of the citizenry.
An invisible hand that persistently works against the interests and opinions of the citizenry.
Can’t think of any other explanation
An invisible hand that persistently works against the interests and opinions of the citizenry.
Can’t think of any other explanation
This is perhaps the only open goal that Sunak has to score. Public opinion is behind him he should be taking a firm stand. This would also weaken Starmer – and, by asserting the near unassailable arguments against this bill – probably discredit and suck power from Sturgeon.
The apparent hestitancy though – like in many other areas – seems unfortunately to point to forces at work behind the scenes. An invisible hand that persistently works against the interests and opinions of the citizenry.
Anyone interested in an analysis of the relative risk of transgender women being sex offenders compared to women and men should read this:
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-rorschach-test/#more-134176
Here is an extract on the analysis for England and Wales
:“So we can match those numbers up to the now-known numbers of transwomen.
11,660 men serving time for sex offences out of 29.5m = 1 in 2530 men
103 women serving the same time out of 30.4 million = 1 in 295,000 women
92transwomen serving the same time out of 48,000 = 1 in 522 transwomen
That suggests transwomen are five times more likely than other men, and 566 times more likely than women, to commit sexual offences.
That’s not a sample, not a poll, not a survey, not a representative focus group. It’s a hard count.“
Scary stuff.
What proportion of those delinquent trans-women still have a short-arm? It seems to me that a minimum requirement is that Trans-Women don’t have a short-arm & ammo bag.
Couldn’t put it better!
Couldn’t put it better!
What proportion of those delinquent trans-women still have a short-arm? It seems to me that a minimum requirement is that Trans-Women don’t have a short-arm & ammo bag.
Anyone interested in an analysis of the relative risk of transgender women being sex offenders compared to women and men should read this:
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-rorschach-test/#more-134176
Here is an extract on the analysis for England and Wales
:“So we can match those numbers up to the now-known numbers of transwomen.
11,660 men serving time for sex offences out of 29.5m = 1 in 2530 men
103 women serving the same time out of 30.4 million = 1 in 295,000 women
92transwomen serving the same time out of 48,000 = 1 in 522 transwomen
That suggests transwomen are five times more likely than other men, and 566 times more likely than women, to commit sexual offences.
That’s not a sample, not a poll, not a survey, not a representative focus group. It’s a hard count.“
Scary stuff.
This transgender movement has a lot of money and powerful interests behind it. I wonder how much pressure Rishi Sunak is under to recognize this gender recognition bill. No-one asked for this, yet the way it’s being inflicted on people is as though a new totalitarian regime has been set up.
This transgender movement has a lot of money and powerful interests behind it. I wonder how much pressure Rishi Sunak is under to recognize this gender recognition bill. No-one asked for this, yet the way it’s being inflicted on people is as though a new totalitarian regime has been set up.
If Sturgeon intends the Bill to affect the way that those holding Scottish issued GR certificates are treated elsewhere than Scotland then of course Sunak should intervene as Sturgeon has no mandate to effect changes in the UK even assuming that she has a mandate in Scotland and how could it not given that birth certificates will be altered.
This is at least an issue where he will have the overwhelming support of the population not only of England but probably Scotland for all Sturgeon’s talk of her mandate.
Very likely. Though we will have to put up with SNPs in Parliament bleating on incessantly bleating about it. Hey ho.
Very likely. Though we will have to put up with SNPs in Parliament bleating on incessantly bleating about it. Hey ho.
If Sturgeon intends the Bill to affect the way that those holding Scottish issued GR certificates are treated elsewhere than Scotland then of course Sunak should intervene as Sturgeon has no mandate to effect changes in the UK even assuming that she has a mandate in Scotland and how could it not given that birth certificates will be altered.
This is at least an issue where he will have the overwhelming support of the population not only of England but probably Scotland for all Sturgeon’s talk of her mandate.
Why isn’t Sturgeon pushing for men who want to be women to be fast-tracked to ‘gender-confirming’ surgery?
It doesn’t – read the summary of the bill fgs!
It doesn’t – read the summary of the bill fgs!
Why isn’t Sturgeon pushing for men who want to be women to be fast-tracked to ‘gender-confirming’ surgery?
Beware, strict CENSORSHIP is being applied to this essay!
So I’ve noticed ! Evidently quoting the author, with a pithy, one liner reply, is verboten!
Huh?
So I’ve noticed ! Evidently quoting the author, with a pithy, one liner reply, is verboten!
Huh?
Beware, strict CENSORSHIP is being applied to this essay!
Come on Sunak it is quite clear what you have to do It’s even in the National Anthem:-
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring;
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots* to crush!
God save the King!
(* Perhaps that should be Scotch.)
General Wade’s most significant, although, it seems, largely ignored contribution to British history was the building of roads in Scotland (unglamorous, I know !). It profoundly changed Scottish history, and subsequently, British history. They, ‘finally’ (apart from that ‘small’ incident in ‘46’) ‘tamed’ the wild Highlands for both the benefit of the British government, but also for the Scots, who never (ever) had
“If you’d seen these roads before they were made, you would hold up your hands and bless Marshal Wade”.
I will defer to your ‘superior’ knowledge. Long’ish in the tooth that I am, unfortunately I wasn’t around in the 1670’s, so I will take your word for it. If they were anything like they were in the 1970’s though (and to which some appear to be returning), then yes, I quite agree (Wades (and others) bridges are still good though, and pretty to boot).
Of course, it’s one step up from Madagascar, according to Flashman, where they would only cut roads out of the jungle as and when the Queen required to use them (and, for all I know, might still be the case)
I will defer to your ‘superior’ knowledge. Long’ish in the tooth that I am, unfortunately I wasn’t around in the 1670’s, so I will take your word for it. If they were anything like they were in the 1970’s though (and to which some appear to be returning), then yes, I quite agree (Wades (and others) bridges are still good though, and pretty to boot).
Of course, it’s one step up from Madagascar, according to Flashman, where they would only cut roads out of the jungle as and when the Queen required to use them (and, for all I know, might still be the case)
“If you’d seen these roads before they were made, you would hold up your hands and bless Marshal Wade”.
General Wade’s most significant, although, it seems, largely ignored contribution to British history was the building of roads in Scotland (unglamorous, I know !). It profoundly changed Scottish history, and subsequently, British history. They, ‘finally’ (apart from that ‘small’ incident in ‘46’) ‘tamed’ the wild Highlands for both the benefit of the British government, but also for the Scots, who never (ever) had
Come on Sunak it is quite clear what you have to do It’s even in the National Anthem:-
Lord, grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring;
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots* to crush!
God save the King!
(* Perhaps that should be Scotch.)
On the other hand…….let this Scottish gender recognition law run its course across the U.K., creating issues everywhere in female changing spaces and safeguarding of children – admittedly risking some child abuse arising as the perverts exploit it – with the consequence that the trans activist movement is destroyed much faster than the current approach of ‘yes we need to consider the rights of 0.2% of the population ALL of the time’, which permits child abuse being institutionally enshrined by the likes of Stonewall for a number of years.
On the other hand…….let this Scottish gender recognition law run its course across the U.K., creating issues everywhere in female changing spaces and safeguarding of children – admittedly risking some child abuse arising as the perverts exploit it – with the consequence that the trans activist movement is destroyed much faster than the current approach of ‘yes we need to consider the rights of 0.2% of the population ALL of the time’, which permits child abuse being institutionally enshrined by the likes of Stonewall for a number of years.
Are there not an oversupply of SNP Westminster SNPs to promote such changes (if deemed worthy) for the whole of the UK?
So perhaps this is just another way of Nicola Sturgeon trying to bend the rules of devolved powers to suit her desire to hold another Independence Referendum (whenever she feels she might win)?
Are there not an oversupply of SNP Westminster SNPs to promote such changes (if deemed worthy) for the whole of the UK?
So perhaps this is just another way of Nicola Sturgeon trying to bend the rules of devolved powers to suit her desire to hold another Independence Referendum (whenever she feels she might win)?
He has the justification, but does he have ‘the balls’?
He has the justification, but does he have ‘the balls’?