Too many powerful vested interests. Also the fear that, if the pandemic was revealed to be a consequence of US government funded gain of function research – which doesn’t seem unlikely- the legal ramifications could be apocalyptic.
Hugh Bryant
1 year ago
Too many powerful vested interests. Also the fear that, if the pandemic was revealed to be a consequence of US government funded gain of function research – which doesn’t seem unlikely- the legal ramifications could be apocalyptic.
R Wright
1 year ago
Why would the American government want to investigate a pandemic it helped cause?
R Wright
1 year ago
Why would the American government want to investigate a pandemic it helped cause?
Stephen Walsh
1 year ago
If a Commission was established, it would just blame Trump for everything. So it would be worse than useless.
Stephen Walsh
1 year ago
If a Commission was established, it would just blame Trump for everything. So it would be worse than useless.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Oh, come on. The entire government and its media are in the pay of pharmaceutical companies. Be serious.
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Oh, come on. The entire government and its media are in the pay of pharmaceutical companies. Be serious.
Fiona Hok
1 year ago
Too many skeletons waving bony arms from the closets. The FDA’s authorisation of the Pfizer vaccine, in spite of Pfizer’s test results, for starters.
Fiona Hok
1 year ago
Too many skeletons waving bony arms from the closets. The FDA’s authorisation of the Pfizer vaccine, in spite of Pfizer’s test results, for starters.
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
A bilateral commission would need to be critical of Tony Fauci, Debbie Birx, Robert Redfield and Rochelle Walensky, among others. I don’t think that is going to happen. Too politically fraught.
Interestingly, after the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic the American Medical Association commissioned a 600-page study that was published in 1927. It was called Epidemic Influenza: A Survey, by Edwin O. Jordan, and a copy is available at Epidemic Influenza: A Survey (umich.edu).
In my mind that would be better than a government commission, which would be more of a bother than a benefit.
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
A bilateral commission would need to be critical of Tony Fauci, Debbie Birx, Robert Redfield and Rochelle Walensky, among others. I don’t think that is going to happen. Too politically fraught.
Interestingly, after the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic the American Medical Association commissioned a 600-page study that was published in 1927. It was called Epidemic Influenza: A Survey, by Edwin O. Jordan, and a copy is available at Epidemic Influenza: A Survey (umich.edu).
In my mind that would be better than a government commission, which would be more of a bother than a benefit.
Sean Lebas
1 year ago
Dissident journalism and opinion, vibrant in America when free of mainstream restraint, has elucidated quite a lurid picture of what happened. The very dark malfeasance of institutions, industries, political and corporate leaders is now recognized by a wide and growing consensus. The last congressional Committee investigation of ostensibly great national interest was an inept fiasco that ruined the political careers of its most outlandish clowns. There’d be no hope for this one. They won’t dare : the contracts, the process, the countermeasures and the crimes are all too well known now.
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Sean Lebas
1 year ago
Dissident journalism and opinion, vibrant in America when free of mainstream restraint, has elucidated quite a lurid picture of what happened. The very dark malfeasance of institutions, industries, political and corporate leaders is now recognized by a wide and growing consensus. The last congressional Committee investigation of ostensibly great national interest was an inept fiasco that ruined the political careers of its most outlandish clowns. There’d be no hope for this one. They won’t dare : the contracts, the process, the countermeasures and the crimes are all too well known now.
Last edited 1 year ago by Sean Lebas
Jane H
1 year ago
It’s because Biden and the WHO are drafting the Global Pandemic Treaty at this very moment which would give the notoriously corrupt World Health Organisation complete legally binding authority over the pandemic responses of sovereign nations, including Great Britain, eg., lockdowns, mandatory vaccination etc They also get to decide which viruses should be declared as a pandemic, recently officially declaring monkeypox a pandemic! This treaty will legally override sovereign nations making their own decisions over pandemic responses. They don’t want a commission looking into mistakes made by the WHO or former government covid pandemic dictates as this would cause too much public distrust and threaten the successful ratification of the Global Pandemic Treaty. Next on the horizon, Global Vaccination Passports, I kid you not.
Jane H
1 year ago
It’s because Biden and the WHO are drafting the Global Pandemic Treaty at this very moment which would give the notoriously corrupt World Health Organisation complete legally binding authority over the pandemic responses of sovereign nations, including Great Britain, eg., lockdowns, mandatory vaccination etc They also get to decide which viruses should be declared as a pandemic, recently officially declaring monkeypox a pandemic! This treaty will legally override sovereign nations making their own decisions over pandemic responses. They don’t want a commission looking into mistakes made by the WHO or former government covid pandemic dictates as this would cause too much public distrust and threaten the successful ratification of the Global Pandemic Treaty. Next on the horizon, Global Vaccination Passports, I kid you not.
Robin Pennock
1 year ago
Look at the amount of money (in the millions) spent by Pfizer and Modesta for lobbying. THAT is a clue to the US inaction.
Robin Pennock
1 year ago
Look at the amount of money (in the millions) spent by Pfizer and Modesta for lobbying. THAT is a clue to the US inaction.
Jim R
1 year ago
When the CDC director was asked why they were not funding proper research to determine the clinical efficacy of masks, she claimed the reason was that there was no “equipoise”. I had to look that word up – it means there’s no uncertainty among the ‘expert medical community’ about the issue. Or as the Bill Maher spoof goes, “I don’t know it for a fact, I just know its true”. So why would these people ever agree to a commission? There’s no equipoise! The experts who matter (which can be determined by asking the experts who matter) all agree with each other: they were right about everything.
Not only is there almost lockstep certainty (orthodoxy) among the “experts,” there’s been way too much money made or to be made and power to wield to upset the apple cart.
Think for a moment how much $$ has flowed into Pfizer’s, J&J’s, and Moderna’s coffers. Think about all those “experts” who look forward to very cushy jobs with Pharma and related industries after they leave government work for the inevitable private consultant jobs in crony capitalist corporate America. Think of the raw exercise of power that government at all levels got a taste of during the lockdown and mandates.
There will be absolutely no introspection or serious soulsearching by government, either here in the USA, Canada, or I’m sure AUS and NZ. There may be insincere expressions of regret, “mistakes were made,” but never any honest, objective inquiries or post-mortem.
Not only is there almost lockstep certainty (orthodoxy) among the “experts,” there’s been way too much money made or to be made and power to wield to upset the apple cart.
Think for a moment how much $$ has flowed into Pfizer’s, J&J’s, and Moderna’s coffers. Think about all those “experts” who look forward to very cushy jobs with Pharma and related industries after they leave government work for the inevitable private consultant jobs in crony capitalist corporate America. Think of the raw exercise of power that government at all levels got a taste of during the lockdown and mandates.
There will be absolutely no introspection or serious soulsearching by government, either here in the USA, Canada, or I’m sure AUS and NZ. There may be insincere expressions of regret, “mistakes were made,” but never any honest, objective inquiries or post-mortem.
Jim R
1 year ago
When the CDC director was asked why they were not funding proper research to determine the clinical efficacy of masks, she claimed the reason was that there was no “equipoise”. I had to look that word up – it means there’s no uncertainty among the ‘expert medical community’ about the issue. Or as the Bill Maher spoof goes, “I don’t know it for a fact, I just know its true”. So why would these people ever agree to a commission? There’s no equipoise! The experts who matter (which can be determined by asking the experts who matter) all agree with each other: they were right about everything.
Terry M
1 year ago
Simple, Biden is Prez and he is in the pocket of the CCP. He, and most Donkeys, will do nothing to embarrass the CCP. They don’t want to cut off their payola. And the Donkey governors want to keep their jobs and their necks. Let’s also not forget the collateral damage caused by pandemic policies that closed schools for millions of children, deferred health care visits for tens of millions, and thrust the weaknesses of our public health systems, including our severely strapped health care capacity, into the limelight.
Last edited 1 year ago by Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Simple, Biden is Prez and he is in the pocket of the CCP. He, and most Donkeys, will do nothing to embarrass the CCP. They don’t want to cut off their payola. And the Donkey governors want to keep their jobs and their necks. Let’s also not forget the collateral damage caused by pandemic policies that closed schools for millions of children, deferred health care visits for tens of millions, and thrust the weaknesses of our public health systems, including our severely strapped health care capacity, into the limelight.
Last edited 1 year ago by Terry M
JJ Barnett
1 year ago
This situation, the Covid 19 pandemic, is truly unprecedented in many ways. This is the first time we had an event of this type in a hyper-globalised state, where policy, rhetoric, behaviour etc all became memetic in real time.
This is also the first time we have seen such a powerful convergence of interests, spanning the globe. The number of players who converged into this pandemic and drove it for their own profit, is breathtaking. It wasn’t simply corporate misbehaviour for profit that drove this madness …it was also corrupt health agencies covering their own tracks, and the military players who stepped in to run the ‘operation’ and increase their own budgets and power, and then governments who actually started acting as the aggressive PR & marketing arms of private companies, and then big tech companies and banks who could use this to drive profits from new conditions, and then global institutions and think tanks who participated aggressively in order to increase their own power and drive totally separate agendas.
This convergence was effectively f@scism on steroids. Global, tech-amplified f@scism. The powers of State (which is a coercive power) merged completely with the power of private capital/big business interests. The result was totalitarian – literally, total. They converged in their interests and corralled us from all sides.
So now, who could or would investigate? They were all involved. Just as all these separate power bases worked in concert for their own ends, they will do so in the cover up too.
JJ Barnett
1 year ago
This situation, the Covid 19 pandemic, is truly unprecedented in many ways. This is the first time we had an event of this type in a hyper-globalised state, where policy, rhetoric, behaviour etc all became memetic in real time.
This is also the first time we have seen such a powerful convergence of interests, spanning the globe. The number of players who converged into this pandemic and drove it for their own profit, is breathtaking. It wasn’t simply corporate misbehaviour for profit that drove this madness …it was also corrupt health agencies covering their own tracks, and the military players who stepped in to run the ‘operation’ and increase their own budgets and power, and then governments who actually started acting as the aggressive PR & marketing arms of private companies, and then big tech companies and banks who could use this to drive profits from new conditions, and then global institutions and think tanks who participated aggressively in order to increase their own power and drive totally separate agendas.
This convergence was effectively f@scism on steroids. Global, tech-amplified f@scism. The powers of State (which is a coercive power) merged completely with the power of private capital/big business interests. The result was totalitarian – literally, total. They converged in their interests and corralled us from all sides.
So now, who could or would investigate? They were all involved. Just as all these separate power bases worked in concert for their own ends, they will do so in the cover up too.
Kevan Hudson
1 year ago
Canada most likely will not have a pandemic commission either at this time.
Everything pandemic related was too politicized for Prime Minister Trudeau to even attempt a critical look back.
Kevan Hudson
1 year ago
Canada most likely will not have a pandemic commission either at this time.
Everything pandemic related was too politicized for Prime Minister Trudeau to even attempt a critical look back.
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Simple answer. The Democrat Party led by Joe Biden is dishonest and corrupt.
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Simple answer. The Democrat Party led by Joe Biden is dishonest and corrupt.
Marek Nowicki
1 year ago
In US we don’t investigate, we sue….
Marek Nowicki
1 year ago
In US we don’t investigate, we sue….
laurence scaduto
1 year ago
As a nation, we’re a mess. We’re simply no longer capable of investigating our own mistakes. Serious people need to start a sincere discussion about breakingup. The nation is just too fractious, too philosophically diverse. The benefits of global hegemony are no longer paying off for most of us. Our constitution prevents us from making the changes needed to make our legislatures functional again. We are like a beached whale; eventually the stench will be unbearable. Even the gulls will avoid us.
There are many difficult decisions to thrash out. The process will take years. We’ll all be a bit poorer when it’s over. But we’re grown-up enough to have an amicable divorce. (Luckily, there’s not enough testosterone left to have a real civil war.) Tweaking the small print won’t be enough. We need to seperate.
Laurence, there will never be an “amicable” national divorce. Since the Civil War, the federal government has consolidated far more power, and has in many respects made the states dependent upon federal largesse. Add to that the fact that both coasts would very quickly realize just how dependent they are on the “flyover” states for food, energy, and other necessities of life, and they would fight tooth and claw to preserve the current dysfunctional arrangement.
Too many powerful vested interests. Also the fear that, if the pandemic was revealed to be a consequence of US government funded gain of function research – which doesn’t seem unlikely- the legal ramifications could be apocalyptic.
Too many powerful vested interests. Also the fear that, if the pandemic was revealed to be a consequence of US government funded gain of function research – which doesn’t seem unlikely- the legal ramifications could be apocalyptic.
Why would the American government want to investigate a pandemic it helped cause?
Why would the American government want to investigate a pandemic it helped cause?
If a Commission was established, it would just blame Trump for everything. So it would be worse than useless.
If a Commission was established, it would just blame Trump for everything. So it would be worse than useless.
Oh, come on. The entire government and its media are in the pay of pharmaceutical companies. Be serious.
Oh, come on. The entire government and its media are in the pay of pharmaceutical companies. Be serious.
Too many skeletons waving bony arms from the closets. The FDA’s authorisation of the Pfizer vaccine, in spite of Pfizer’s test results, for starters.
Too many skeletons waving bony arms from the closets. The FDA’s authorisation of the Pfizer vaccine, in spite of Pfizer’s test results, for starters.
A bilateral commission would need to be critical of Tony Fauci, Debbie Birx, Robert Redfield and Rochelle Walensky, among others. I don’t think that is going to happen. Too politically fraught.
Interestingly, after the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic the American Medical Association commissioned a 600-page study that was published in 1927. It was called Epidemic Influenza: A Survey, by Edwin O. Jordan, and a copy is available at Epidemic Influenza: A Survey (umich.edu).
In my mind that would be better than a government commission, which would be more of a bother than a benefit.
A bilateral commission would need to be critical of Tony Fauci, Debbie Birx, Robert Redfield and Rochelle Walensky, among others. I don’t think that is going to happen. Too politically fraught.
Interestingly, after the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic the American Medical Association commissioned a 600-page study that was published in 1927. It was called Epidemic Influenza: A Survey, by Edwin O. Jordan, and a copy is available at Epidemic Influenza: A Survey (umich.edu).
In my mind that would be better than a government commission, which would be more of a bother than a benefit.
Dissident journalism and opinion, vibrant in America when free of mainstream restraint, has elucidated quite a lurid picture of what happened. The very dark malfeasance of institutions, industries, political and corporate leaders is now recognized by a wide and growing consensus. The last congressional Committee investigation of ostensibly great national interest was an inept fiasco that ruined the political careers of its most outlandish clowns. There’d be no hope for this one. They won’t dare : the contracts, the process, the countermeasures and the crimes are all too well known now.
Dissident journalism and opinion, vibrant in America when free of mainstream restraint, has elucidated quite a lurid picture of what happened. The very dark malfeasance of institutions, industries, political and corporate leaders is now recognized by a wide and growing consensus. The last congressional Committee investigation of ostensibly great national interest was an inept fiasco that ruined the political careers of its most outlandish clowns. There’d be no hope for this one. They won’t dare : the contracts, the process, the countermeasures and the crimes are all too well known now.
It’s because Biden and the WHO are drafting the Global Pandemic Treaty at this very moment which would give the notoriously corrupt World Health Organisation complete legally binding authority over the pandemic responses of sovereign nations, including Great Britain, eg., lockdowns, mandatory vaccination etc They also get to decide which viruses should be declared as a pandemic, recently officially declaring monkeypox a pandemic! This treaty will legally override sovereign nations making their own decisions over pandemic responses. They don’t want a commission looking into mistakes made by the WHO or former government covid pandemic dictates as this would cause too much public distrust and threaten the successful ratification of the Global Pandemic Treaty. Next on the horizon, Global Vaccination Passports, I kid you not.
It’s because Biden and the WHO are drafting the Global Pandemic Treaty at this very moment which would give the notoriously corrupt World Health Organisation complete legally binding authority over the pandemic responses of sovereign nations, including Great Britain, eg., lockdowns, mandatory vaccination etc They also get to decide which viruses should be declared as a pandemic, recently officially declaring monkeypox a pandemic! This treaty will legally override sovereign nations making their own decisions over pandemic responses. They don’t want a commission looking into mistakes made by the WHO or former government covid pandemic dictates as this would cause too much public distrust and threaten the successful ratification of the Global Pandemic Treaty. Next on the horizon, Global Vaccination Passports, I kid you not.
Look at the amount of money (in the millions) spent by Pfizer and Modesta for lobbying. THAT is a clue to the US inaction.
Look at the amount of money (in the millions) spent by Pfizer and Modesta for lobbying. THAT is a clue to the US inaction.
When the CDC director was asked why they were not funding proper research to determine the clinical efficacy of masks, she claimed the reason was that there was no “equipoise”. I had to look that word up – it means there’s no uncertainty among the ‘expert medical community’ about the issue. Or as the Bill Maher spoof goes, “I don’t know it for a fact, I just know its true”. So why would these people ever agree to a commission? There’s no equipoise! The experts who matter (which can be determined by asking the experts who matter) all agree with each other: they were right about everything.
Not only is there almost lockstep certainty (orthodoxy) among the “experts,” there’s been way too much money made or to be made and power to wield to upset the apple cart.
Think for a moment how much $$ has flowed into Pfizer’s, J&J’s, and Moderna’s coffers. Think about all those “experts” who look forward to very cushy jobs with Pharma and related industries after they leave government work for the inevitable private consultant jobs in crony capitalist corporate America. Think of the raw exercise of power that government at all levels got a taste of during the lockdown and mandates.
There will be absolutely no introspection or serious soulsearching by government, either here in the USA, Canada, or I’m sure AUS and NZ. There may be insincere expressions of regret, “mistakes were made,” but never any honest, objective inquiries or post-mortem.
Not only is there almost lockstep certainty (orthodoxy) among the “experts,” there’s been way too much money made or to be made and power to wield to upset the apple cart.
Think for a moment how much $$ has flowed into Pfizer’s, J&J’s, and Moderna’s coffers. Think about all those “experts” who look forward to very cushy jobs with Pharma and related industries after they leave government work for the inevitable private consultant jobs in crony capitalist corporate America. Think of the raw exercise of power that government at all levels got a taste of during the lockdown and mandates.
There will be absolutely no introspection or serious soulsearching by government, either here in the USA, Canada, or I’m sure AUS and NZ. There may be insincere expressions of regret, “mistakes were made,” but never any honest, objective inquiries or post-mortem.
When the CDC director was asked why they were not funding proper research to determine the clinical efficacy of masks, she claimed the reason was that there was no “equipoise”. I had to look that word up – it means there’s no uncertainty among the ‘expert medical community’ about the issue. Or as the Bill Maher spoof goes, “I don’t know it for a fact, I just know its true”. So why would these people ever agree to a commission? There’s no equipoise! The experts who matter (which can be determined by asking the experts who matter) all agree with each other: they were right about everything.
Simple, Biden is Prez and he is in the pocket of the CCP. He, and most Donkeys, will do nothing to embarrass the CCP. They don’t want to cut off their payola. And the Donkey governors want to keep their jobs and their necks.
Let’s also not forget the collateral damage caused by pandemic policies that closed schools for millions of children, deferred health care visits for tens of millions, and thrust the weaknesses of our public health systems, including our severely strapped health care capacity, into the limelight.
Simple, Biden is Prez and he is in the pocket of the CCP. He, and most Donkeys, will do nothing to embarrass the CCP. They don’t want to cut off their payola. And the Donkey governors want to keep their jobs and their necks.
Let’s also not forget the collateral damage caused by pandemic policies that closed schools for millions of children, deferred health care visits for tens of millions, and thrust the weaknesses of our public health systems, including our severely strapped health care capacity, into the limelight.
This situation, the Covid 19 pandemic, is truly unprecedented in many ways. This is the first time we had an event of this type in a hyper-globalised state, where policy, rhetoric, behaviour etc all became memetic in real time.
This is also the first time we have seen such a powerful convergence of interests, spanning the globe. The number of players who converged into this pandemic and drove it for their own profit, is breathtaking. It wasn’t simply corporate misbehaviour for profit that drove this madness …it was also corrupt health agencies covering their own tracks, and the military players who stepped in to run the ‘operation’ and increase their own budgets and power, and then governments who actually started acting as the aggressive PR & marketing arms of private companies, and then big tech companies and banks who could use this to drive profits from new conditions, and then global institutions and think tanks who participated aggressively in order to increase their own power and drive totally separate agendas.
This convergence was effectively f@scism on steroids. Global, tech-amplified f@scism. The powers of State (which is a coercive power) merged completely with the power of private capital/big business interests. The result was totalitarian – literally, total. They converged in their interests and corralled us from all sides.
So now, who could or would investigate? They were all involved. Just as all these separate power bases worked in concert for their own ends, they will do so in the cover up too.
This situation, the Covid 19 pandemic, is truly unprecedented in many ways. This is the first time we had an event of this type in a hyper-globalised state, where policy, rhetoric, behaviour etc all became memetic in real time.
This is also the first time we have seen such a powerful convergence of interests, spanning the globe. The number of players who converged into this pandemic and drove it for their own profit, is breathtaking. It wasn’t simply corporate misbehaviour for profit that drove this madness …it was also corrupt health agencies covering their own tracks, and the military players who stepped in to run the ‘operation’ and increase their own budgets and power, and then governments who actually started acting as the aggressive PR & marketing arms of private companies, and then big tech companies and banks who could use this to drive profits from new conditions, and then global institutions and think tanks who participated aggressively in order to increase their own power and drive totally separate agendas.
This convergence was effectively f@scism on steroids. Global, tech-amplified f@scism. The powers of State (which is a coercive power) merged completely with the power of private capital/big business interests. The result was totalitarian – literally, total. They converged in their interests and corralled us from all sides.
So now, who could or would investigate? They were all involved. Just as all these separate power bases worked in concert for their own ends, they will do so in the cover up too.
Canada most likely will not have a pandemic commission either at this time.
Everything pandemic related was too politicized for Prime Minister Trudeau to even attempt a critical look back.
Canada most likely will not have a pandemic commission either at this time.
Everything pandemic related was too politicized for Prime Minister Trudeau to even attempt a critical look back.
Simple answer. The Democrat Party led by Joe Biden is dishonest and corrupt.
Simple answer. The Democrat Party led by Joe Biden is dishonest and corrupt.
In US we don’t investigate, we sue….
In US we don’t investigate, we sue….
As a nation, we’re a mess. We’re simply no longer capable of investigating our own mistakes.
Serious people need to start a sincere discussion about breaking up. The nation is just too fractious, too philosophically diverse. The benefits of global hegemony are no longer paying off for most of us. Our constitution prevents us from making the changes needed to make our legislatures functional again. We are like a beached whale; eventually the stench will be unbearable. Even the gulls will avoid us.
There are many difficult decisions to thrash out. The process will take years. We’ll all be a bit poorer when it’s over. But we’re grown-up enough to have an amicable divorce. (Luckily, there’s not enough testosterone left to have a real civil war.) Tweaking the small print won’t be enough. We need to seperate.
Laurence, there will never be an “amicable” national divorce. Since the Civil War, the federal government has consolidated far more power, and has in many respects made the states dependent upon federal largesse. Add to that the fact that both coasts would very quickly realize just how dependent they are on the “flyover” states for food, energy, and other necessities of life, and they would fight tooth and claw to preserve the current dysfunctional arrangement.