So there was a raison de etre behind the lockdowns and absurd restrictions after all. “The vaccine” is the way out. And it’s not negotiable. Know this: “fully vaccinated” is in the process of being codified to mean only those who have received the latest “booster”, currently projected to be 4 times a year (but it “could be higher”). Within 2 years we have been transformed from free citizens to pliant lackeys of the state who will soon have to report in for a status update every 3 months in order to retain our privileges, like prisoners on parole.
I thoroughly recommend giving this presentation by German investigative journalist Paul Schreyer a watch… If you can stick with it to the end (it’s about 1hr long), all the coordinated government behaviour makes a lot more sense.
Paul K
2 years ago
How about Ireland, the UK’s closest neighbour? Vaccine passports in place since the summer with no debate or objection: vaccination required to access pubs, clubs, gyms, cafes, restaurants. Result: higher infection rate than ever.
Yes. There are so many data points to refute the obvious nonsense of these policies, that many proponents have given up even trying to justify them on public health grounds.
It’s simply a statement of belief in ‘the system’.
I’ve been disgusted by the Irish lately- their eager, proud subservience to the EU project. Their sneering at the British over Brexit and the wish for self-determination.
And now their utterly meek, cowardly compliance and acceptance of hard restrictions over a virus.
They’re now tied with the Aussies for the top title of ‘formerly freedom-loving peoples now reduced to utter weaklings’.
Yes, I’m disheartened by this too. This period in history has taught me that people actually like being told what to do and think.
Rob D
2 years ago
Not everyone who has not had the jab is an anti-vaxxer…
Francis MacGabhann
2 years ago
So, I’m guessing the permanent parasite caste which rules through the secondary and “advisory” bodies and the civil services of the Western nations don’t bother familiarising themselves with the concept of natural rights these days.
Sasha T.
2 years ago
As Rob points out, unvaccinated does NOT = anti-vaxxer. Wrong title for the piece.
Sally Owen
2 years ago
Unvaccinated and Anti-vaxxer are not the same. Many unvaccinated are not anti vaccination generally and are just opposed to this coronavirus’vaccine’ ( not really a vaccine and not fully tested at that!)Anti-vaxxer is a derogatory term coined by main stream media and unhelpful as a heading to this article…
Exactly. It is an obvious ruse, and it’s disgusting. As Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying say in the US, “Not this vaccine, not this virus, and not this administration”, or something of that sort. They are more vaccinated than most due to their exotic travel in the venture of evolutionary biology, but are routinely called anti-vaxxers. You know, when I read Orwell’s 1984 over 40 years ago, I saw it as a warning, never imagining that others would read it and see it as a playbook.
Galeti Tavas
2 years ago
I will link a few EXCELLENT, and absolutely TOP scientists on how the Covid-19 vaccine is killing more than saving and the whole response is pure corruption (and mass Formation) – have a watch, they are fascinating.
3) Bobby Kennedy Jr ( Son of the Kennedy killed, nephew of the President, famous Eco lawyer, vaccine lawyer, writer of the Number 1 Best Seller – “The Real Anthony Fauci” exposing the entire Vaccine as a crime, corruption, and horrible harmful, and Fauci a criminal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNjr4WEY1ao
JAN 23 The Washington DC protest where all the above speak, with Bret Weinstein – expect protests all over the world. Peaceful ones. Watch it live….
I watched the talk between Peter McCullough and Joe Rogan a couple of days ago, which was very interesting. Although what I would like to know is, why he and his children are vaccinated. He claimed to have had issues with the potential side effects pretty much from the beginning.
Jeremy Bray
2 years ago
As a child I remember being told keep quiet about my mother buying eggs from a local farmer in the early 1950s. The egg ration was not abolished until July 1954 getting on for 10 years after the war. Whitehall will always continue to abuse its powers long after any emergency has passed.
I am triple vaccinated because at my age it might supply some slight protection against severe covid symptoms but I know from the experience of a friend that it does not prevent hospitalisation. Most importantly it does not prevent you catching and passing on the virus.
If the vaccines prevented covid being passed on there might be some point to requiring those coming in contact with the elderly being vaccinated but it does not. It merely encourages complacency regarding sensible preventative measures.
Missing Ireland was sloppy as well. And things are very different in various states in the US, so mentioning only federal implications seems inadequate. The title made me think this was going to be a critical article.
On Monday I had a routine but necessary medical appointment. I was required to have had the two jabs (in New Zealand you can have whatever jab you want so long as it’s Pfizer) or a negative covid test within the previous 48 hours. However, on Saturday.morning the local swabmaster informed me that the processing of a test might well take 48 hours. The solution was a rapid antigen test, not available in my city at the weekend and supposedly only to be given to those who could produce evidence they needed one for travel. I was able to get such a test shortly before my appointment on Monday, thanks to an understanding chemist, but I suspect a lot of people just wouldn’t have gone to the appointment, with possibly serious consequences.
The cardiologist tried (but failed – as I would not back down) to cancel my little girls heart appointment (she has 2 types of heart disease) because I am not jabbed. NZ has made it pretty damn difficult.
A very good, albeit largely rhetorical, question. The same phenomenon appears when the subject of the countries with the highest death rates comes up. Brazil is almost invariably mentioned (complete with an eye-rolling reference to Bolsonaro), but Peru, with by far the worst death rate in the world, seldom appears. We might note that Peru has now and for some time has had left-wing governments.
At one stage in 2020 male and female Peruvians were not allowed out at the same times at night. Even though that’s unlikely to have survived long (at least in practice) and it was pre-‘vaccine’, I would have thought it worth a mention.
patrick macaskie
2 years ago
Most of the top 10 have some form! Canada is keeping very interesting company.
Johanna Barry
2 years ago
Its extraordinary, how we bend over backwards in all our writings and speech to talk of people as people first and not identified with their condition (person with hearing impairment (not deaf), person living with HIV (not HIV patient). Clinicial guidelines underline the importance of respecting the wishes of the patient. But covid? all bets are off. You exercise your right to refuse a drug that comes with risk and offers very little, and you forthwith lose your status as a human. You are an ‘anti-vaxxer’ and every tinpot dictator can indulge in whatever mindless brutality they can think of and all with the support of his/her country. It feels like an oasis of positive sanity in England at the moment. Perhaps we can be grateful for partygate and Bojo’s many frailties – otherwise I am sure SAGE would have won the day with the nonsense.
Two small points: your health status, must to some extent, be revealed to random strangers, the guy serving drinks, the lady who cuts your hair, the Corona police at the mall. In the US, entire rain forests were decimated to print out the paper for HIPPA–something like Health Insurance Privacy Protection Act, which was supposed to keep your medical information private. It was designed, in large part, to stop the chemist from broadcasting over the PA to the entire store–“Trevor Smith, Trevor Smith, your HIV medicine is ready….” This is what happens when common sense is eliminated from the equation. You exercise your right to refuse a drug….
What right are you talking about? It seems that we have NO rights, but only obligations to bow down, do as were are told, and not question.
Other than these small points, an excellent comment.
Ahh,,, a third small point….your reference to SAGE. I’m trying to replace SAGE with my name for them: Churlish Unhinged Negative Twins, which, I submit with the greatest respect, more accurately captures the essence of who these people are.
Rickard Gardell
2 years ago
Yesterday’s war. Vaccine doesn’t protect against Omicron and vaxed people spread it as well. All these policies are based on historic variants where vaccine provided a meaningful protection for 2-4 months. In addition, Omicron is so mild that it doesn’t require special attention as it is less dangerous than seasonal flu. My points above are so obvious that the only explanation for all these draconian policies is……politics. There are votes in it.
Jeffrey Chongsathien
2 years ago
I would have more confidence in this list only if all the countries of the world were included and the ranking method shared along with the inputs.
Jeffrey Chongsathien
2 years ago
I would have more confidence in this list only if all the countries of the world were included and the ranking method shared along with the inputs.
Bella OConnell
2 years ago
These comments are all very well, but we need a way back. Solutions on a post card please. We need to act together before it’s too late. The deporting of the world’s number one tennis player from Australia is a massive blow. How do we stop this madness?
anna m
2 years ago
How did NZ not make the cut?
The unvaccinated are banned from everything. Unjabbed children 12 and over can no longer join a sports team, do most out-of-school activities, go to the movies, or visit a cafe. The govtmt are in the process of extending this to 5 year olds. Very few medical practices will see unvaccinated patients (beyond a phone consult), even if they have a serious issue. Unjabbed can’t go to Council-owned spaces, hospitality venues, gyms, hairdressers, or into many retail stores. Most of us have to be jabbed to keep our job. Our Prime Minister announced that she was created a two-tier society in which the unvaccinated would be bottom tier. She has managed to do this without mandating much at all – but has made it next to impossible for businesses to operate and survive unless they put in place their own mandates – thus creating an illusion of choice. But we all know, it is an illusion.
Harry Child
2 years ago
So it seems that United Kingdom has had a proportional response to Covid as compared to other countries. Where are the usual anti – vaxers comments about how awful the denial of civil liberties that has taken place in the UK?
A ‘troll’ isn’t just anyone with a different view! This site is supposed to be UnHerd, much as some people seem to want to turn it into Alt- Right conspiracy theory central.
There is now a very big difference between the UK, and specific ally England over many countries, for which I am at least somewhat grateful to the Tories, or many of them, who have at least kept alternative perspectives and questions about the enormous cost in many aspects of legal covid restrictions.
Florida? Sweden? I wish people would not always overstate their case in such an absolutist manner; things are indeed pretty bad world wide and unfortunately China seemed to be a model that some members of the medical and scientific establishment rather admired. But we ought to be a bit more forensic in our criticism.
Of course some critics are out and out covid deniers, saying that covid is no worse than the common cold (Omicron may well be going that way, but earlier variants certainly were not). The worst aspect of this in my view, is that it makes it easy to paint all critics of lockdown policies etc as cranks.
So there was a raison de etre behind the lockdowns and absurd restrictions after all. “The vaccine” is the way out. And it’s not negotiable. Know this: “fully vaccinated” is in the process of being codified to mean only those who have received the latest “booster”, currently projected to be 4 times a year (but it “could be higher”). Within 2 years we have been transformed from free citizens to pliant lackeys of the state who will soon have to report in for a status update every 3 months in order to retain our privileges, like prisoners on parole.
I thoroughly recommend giving this presentation by German investigative journalist Paul Schreyer a watch… If you can stick with it to the end (it’s about 1hr long), all the coordinated government behaviour makes a lot more sense.
How about Ireland, the UK’s closest neighbour? Vaccine passports in place since the summer with no debate or objection: vaccination required to access pubs, clubs, gyms, cafes, restaurants. Result: higher infection rate than ever.
Yes. There are so many data points to refute the obvious nonsense of these policies, that many proponents have given up even trying to justify them on public health grounds.
It’s simply a statement of belief in ‘the system’.
I’ve been disgusted by the Irish lately- their eager, proud subservience to the EU project. Their sneering at the British over Brexit and the wish for self-determination.
And now their utterly meek, cowardly compliance and acceptance of hard restrictions over a virus.
They’re now tied with the Aussies for the top title of ‘formerly freedom-loving peoples now reduced to utter weaklings’.
Yes, I’m disheartened by this too. This period in history has taught me that people actually like being told what to do and think.
Not everyone who has not had the jab is an anti-vaxxer…
So, I’m guessing the permanent parasite caste which rules through the secondary and “advisory” bodies and the civil services of the Western nations don’t bother familiarising themselves with the concept of natural rights these days.
As Rob points out, unvaccinated does NOT = anti-vaxxer. Wrong title for the piece.
Unvaccinated and Anti-vaxxer are not the same. Many unvaccinated are not anti vaccination generally and are just opposed to this coronavirus’vaccine’ ( not really a vaccine and not fully tested at that!)Anti-vaxxer is a derogatory term coined by main stream media and unhelpful as a heading to this article…
Exactly. It is an obvious ruse, and it’s disgusting. As Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying say in the US, “Not this vaccine, not this virus, and not this administration”, or something of that sort. They are more vaccinated than most due to their exotic travel in the venture of evolutionary biology, but are routinely called anti-vaxxers. You know, when I read Orwell’s 1984 over 40 years ago, I saw it as a warning, never imagining that others would read it and see it as a playbook.
I will link a few EXCELLENT, and absolutely TOP scientists on how the Covid-19 vaccine is killing more than saving and the whole response is pure corruption (and mass Formation) – have a watch, they are fascinating.
1) dr Peter McCullough from today – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcgxpJyammc his most famous (and better) below
McCullough has a wonderful one with Jo Rogan on Odysee, viewed on many outlets 30 million times, https://odysee.com/@jackspirko:a/rogan-mccullough:6
2) Dr Malone, the guy who holds the patent for mRNA in nano lipid particles, a life of biochemistry at vaccine https://odysee.com/@BannedYouTubeVideos:4/JOE-ROGAN-AND-DR-ROBERT-MALONE:c 3 hours, get the story – fun to watch
3) Bobby Kennedy Jr ( Son of the Kennedy killed, nephew of the President, famous Eco lawyer, vaccine lawyer, writer of the Number 1 Best Seller – “The Real Anthony Fauci” exposing the entire Vaccine as a crime, corruption, and horrible harmful, and Fauci a criminal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNjr4WEY1ao
JAN 23 The Washington DC protest where all the above speak, with Bret Weinstein – expect protests all over the world. Peaceful ones. Watch it live….
I watched the talk between Peter McCullough and Joe Rogan a couple of days ago, which was very interesting. Although what I would like to know is, why he and his children are vaccinated. He claimed to have had issues with the potential side effects pretty much from the beginning.
As a child I remember being told keep quiet about my mother buying eggs from a local farmer in the early 1950s. The egg ration was not abolished until July 1954 getting on for 10 years after the war. Whitehall will always continue to abuse its powers long after any emergency has passed.
I am triple vaccinated because at my age it might supply some slight protection against severe covid symptoms but I know from the experience of a friend that it does not prevent hospitalisation. Most importantly it does not prevent you catching and passing on the virus.
If the vaccines prevented covid being passed on there might be some point to requiring those coming in contact with the elderly being vaccinated but it does not. It merely encourages complacency regarding sensible preventative measures.
What is the point of No. 20?
Exactly, there’s “no jab no Job” New Zealand not even on the list.
Missing Ireland was sloppy as well. And things are very different in various states in the US, so mentioning only federal implications seems inadequate. The title made me think this was going to be a critical article.
On Monday I had a routine but necessary medical appointment. I was required to have had the two jabs (in New Zealand you can have whatever jab you want so long as it’s Pfizer) or a negative covid test within the previous 48 hours. However, on Saturday.morning the local swabmaster informed me that the processing of a test might well take 48 hours. The solution was a rapid antigen test, not available in my city at the weekend and supposedly only to be given to those who could produce evidence they needed one for travel. I was able to get such a test shortly before my appointment on Monday, thanks to an understanding chemist, but I suspect a lot of people just wouldn’t have gone to the appointment, with possibly serious consequences.
The cardiologist tried (but failed – as I would not back down) to cancel my little girls heart appointment (she has 2 types of heart disease) because I am not jabbed. NZ has made it pretty damn difficult.
A very good, albeit largely rhetorical, question. The same phenomenon appears when the subject of the countries with the highest death rates comes up. Brazil is almost invariably mentioned (complete with an eye-rolling reference to Bolsonaro), but Peru, with by far the worst death rate in the world, seldom appears. We might note that Peru has now and for some time has had left-wing governments.
At one stage in 2020 male and female Peruvians were not allowed out at the same times at night. Even though that’s unlikely to have survived long (at least in practice) and it was pre-‘vaccine’, I would have thought it worth a mention.
Most of the top 10 have some form! Canada is keeping very interesting company.
Its extraordinary, how we bend over backwards in all our writings and speech to talk of people as people first and not identified with their condition (person with hearing impairment (not deaf), person living with HIV (not HIV patient). Clinicial guidelines underline the importance of respecting the wishes of the patient. But covid? all bets are off. You exercise your right to refuse a drug that comes with risk and offers very little, and you forthwith lose your status as a human. You are an ‘anti-vaxxer’ and every tinpot dictator can indulge in whatever mindless brutality they can think of and all with the support of his/her country. It feels like an oasis of positive sanity in England at the moment. Perhaps we can be grateful for partygate and Bojo’s many frailties – otherwise I am sure SAGE would have won the day with the nonsense.
Two small points: your health status, must to some extent, be revealed to random strangers, the guy serving drinks, the lady who cuts your hair, the Corona police at the mall. In the US, entire rain forests were decimated to print out the paper for HIPPA–something like Health Insurance Privacy Protection Act, which was supposed to keep your medical information private. It was designed, in large part, to stop the chemist from broadcasting over the PA to the entire store–“Trevor Smith, Trevor Smith, your HIV medicine is ready….” This is what happens when common sense is eliminated from the equation.
You exercise your right to refuse a drug….
What right are you talking about? It seems that we have NO rights, but only obligations to bow down, do as were are told, and not question.
Other than these small points, an excellent comment.
Ahh,,, a third small point….your reference to SAGE. I’m trying to replace SAGE with my name for them: Churlish Unhinged Negative Twins, which, I submit with the greatest respect, more accurately captures the essence of who these people are.
Yesterday’s war. Vaccine doesn’t protect against Omicron and vaxed people spread it as well. All these policies are based on historic variants where vaccine provided a meaningful protection for 2-4 months. In addition, Omicron is so mild that it doesn’t require special attention as it is less dangerous than seasonal flu. My points above are so obvious that the only explanation for all these draconian policies is……politics. There are votes in it.
I would have more confidence in this list only if all the countries of the world were included and the ranking method shared along with the inputs.
I would have more confidence in this list only if all the countries of the world were included and the ranking method shared along with the inputs.
These comments are all very well, but we need a way back. Solutions on a post card please. We need to act together before it’s too late. The deporting of the world’s number one tennis player from Australia is a massive blow. How do we stop this madness?
How did NZ not make the cut?
The unvaccinated are banned from everything. Unjabbed children 12 and over can no longer join a sports team, do most out-of-school activities, go to the movies, or visit a cafe. The govtmt are in the process of extending this to 5 year olds. Very few medical practices will see unvaccinated patients (beyond a phone consult), even if they have a serious issue. Unjabbed can’t go to Council-owned spaces, hospitality venues, gyms, hairdressers, or into many retail stores. Most of us have to be jabbed to keep our job. Our Prime Minister announced that she was created a two-tier society in which the unvaccinated would be bottom tier. She has managed to do this without mandating much at all – but has made it next to impossible for businesses to operate and survive unless they put in place their own mandates – thus creating an illusion of choice. But we all know, it is an illusion.
So it seems that United Kingdom has had a proportional response to Covid as compared to other countries. Where are the usual anti – vaxers comments about how awful the denial of civil liberties that has taken place in the UK?
That’s how you think civil liberties work?
He’s a troll. Not worth responding
A ‘troll’ isn’t just anyone with a different view! This site is supposed to be UnHerd, much as some people seem to want to turn it into Alt- Right conspiracy theory central.
There is now a very big difference between the UK, and specific ally England over many countries, for which I am at least somewhat grateful to the Tories, or many of them, who have at least kept alternative perspectives and questions about the enormous cost in many aspects of legal covid restrictions.
Nowhere has had a proportionate response to Covid.
Florida? Sweden? I wish people would not always overstate their case in such an absolutist manner; things are indeed pretty bad world wide and unfortunately China seemed to be a model that some members of the medical and scientific establishment rather admired. But we ought to be a bit more forensic in our criticism.
Of course some critics are out and out covid deniers, saying that covid is no worse than the common cold (Omicron may well be going that way, but earlier variants certainly were not). The worst aspect of this in my view, is that it makes it easy to paint all critics of lockdown policies etc as cranks.