“…..our dreadful Western conceptions,……. petty stuff like voting and not being locked up and beaten for thinking the wrong things.”
Don’t worry, the Law Society and our Government are working on getting rid of that petty stuff
Vóreios Paratiritís
3 years ago
At the end of the day the Chinese are simply more honest and rational to a fault when faced with socio political challenges than we are in the West. We have already forgotten but about five years ago Islamic activists tried to leverage the Uighur community in China against the Chinese State for the eventual independence of a Uighur state. There was even some footsy from Ankara playing the ethnic champion card through their secret agencies. And the push climaxed with a brutal mass knife attack at a crowded Chinese train station during the Chinese New Year rush, I think 60 people were killed about 300 injured. So you have this issue facing you are you are the PRC. What do you do? You eliminate the resource. Problem solved. We are doing the same thing in the West but we are moving slowly through education and generational change. Only time will tell who is right because failure means risking annihilation.
The trouble with that argument is that the Chinese Communist Party has been following very similar policies toward all ethnic and religious minorities, not just toward the stabbers. Christians and Tibetans have been squashed too, although they never murdered anyone. Now the Chinese government is gradually eliminating the Mongolian language from education in Inner Mongolia and replacing it with Mandarin Chinese. This cannot be explained as a reaction to secessionism or to terrorism.
Mike Smith
3 years ago
Sounds like the Dr has gone bats**t crazy just like the rest of the Illiberal Undemocratic party.
Adrian Smith
3 years ago
The reason why his ideas never got any traction was because the good ones were always mixed in with this sort of nonsense. How many serving Lib-Dem leaders lost their own seat in the general election they tried to convince their dwindling support base they had a realistic chance of winning, when all they have ever managed to do was come third well enough once to form a coalition, which in turn destroyed their support base for the next election.
But the advantages of the coalition far outweighed the slow death of the Lib Dems. It was part of a greater plan whereby the solid and attractive Lib Dem policies were taken into Facebook re-shaping it into the wonderful, global beneficence it is today. Come back Sir Nick and lead us out of covid.
“Facebook re-shaping it into the wonderful, global beneficence it is today.”
Thanks that put a smile on my face on a cold Friday morning.
Teo
3 years ago
Someone was not paying attention as all the issues that the media spun as Vince Nostradamus Cable, were already on the political radar. No surprise that a social capital liberal has nice things to say about China’s neo-liberal concept of human rights.
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago
Lenin’s legacy wasn’t wholly negative but there is no way it should be celebrated. Vince Cable is right that the New Economic Policy was a much needed retreat from the policy of War Communism that had been in place beforehand and was wrecking the Soviet economy. It is well-described in Richard Pipes’s “Russia under the Bolshevik Regime”. The leaders in charge emphasized that this was just a temporary retreat from socialism and not a permanent state of affairs. Had Lenin lived and kept his health for longer, the market-oriented reforms might have had more staying power, but it is hard to say. Part of the NEP, about which Lenin was enthusiastic, was an over-ambitious state electrification plan that never met its targets. It is a real stretch to see the NEP as a precursor to Deng’s market socialism policies in China, as Cable does.
Dan Martin
3 years ago
It is yet to be seen whether industrial policy is actually a good idea for Britain. It certainly has a poor record over the long term, as it makes markets less free and less accountable, although there may be some short term gains that all these far-sighted believers point to.
Vern Hughes
3 years ago
The problem of small party thinkers and activists going off the rails is a common one, in many Western countries. When you get accustomed to being the Outsider, and thinking like an Outsider, it becomes a habit. It requires huge self-discipline to control the parameters of your political path when you don’t have the natural constraints that Big Parties have – principally the imperative to keep your head down in the interests of promotion. In the end, the problem for Cable and many others is that there were too few James Kirkups in their inner circles. We need more thinkers, and more organised networks of thinkers, to keep each other on track.
conall boyle
3 years ago
Thanks for the plug for Vince’s book. When so much news comes from such tainted sources, for example ‘Five Eyes’, I’m looking forward to reading a trustworthy author.
“…..our dreadful Western conceptions,……. petty stuff like voting and not being locked up and beaten for thinking the wrong things.”
Don’t worry, the Law Society and our Government are working on getting rid of that petty stuff
At the end of the day the Chinese are simply more honest and rational to a fault when faced with socio political challenges than we are in the West. We have already forgotten but about five years ago Islamic activists tried to leverage the Uighur community in China against the Chinese State for the eventual independence of a Uighur state. There was even some footsy from Ankara playing the ethnic champion card through their secret agencies. And the push climaxed with a brutal mass knife attack at a crowded Chinese train station during the Chinese New Year rush, I think 60 people were killed about 300 injured.
So you have this issue facing you are you are the PRC. What do you do? You eliminate the resource. Problem solved. We are doing the same thing in the West but we are moving slowly through education and generational change. Only time will tell who is right because failure means risking annihilation.
To put it safely my competitor’s competitor is not my friend.
The trouble with that argument is that the Chinese Communist Party has been following very similar policies toward all ethnic and religious minorities, not just toward the stabbers. Christians and Tibetans have been squashed too, although they never murdered anyone. Now the Chinese government is gradually eliminating the Mongolian language from education in Inner Mongolia and replacing it with Mandarin Chinese. This cannot be explained as a reaction to secessionism or to terrorism.
Sounds like the Dr has gone bats**t crazy just like the rest of the Illiberal Undemocratic party.
The reason why his ideas never got any traction was because the good ones were always mixed in with this sort of nonsense. How many serving Lib-Dem leaders lost their own seat in the general election they tried to convince their dwindling support base they had a realistic chance of winning, when all they have ever managed to do was come third well enough once to form a coalition, which in turn destroyed their support base for the next election.
But the advantages of the coalition far outweighed the slow death of the Lib Dems. It was part of a greater plan whereby the solid and attractive Lib Dem policies were taken into Facebook re-shaping it into the wonderful, global beneficence it is today. Come back Sir Nick and lead us out of covid.
“Facebook re-shaping it into the wonderful, global beneficence it is today.”
Thanks that put a smile on my face on a cold Friday morning.
Someone was not paying attention as all the issues that the media spun as Vince Nostradamus Cable, were already on the political radar. No surprise that a social capital liberal has nice things to say about China’s neo-liberal concept of human rights.
Lenin’s legacy wasn’t wholly negative but there is no way it should be celebrated. Vince Cable is right that the New Economic Policy was a much needed retreat from the policy of War Communism that had been in place beforehand and was wrecking the Soviet economy. It is well-described in Richard Pipes’s “Russia under the Bolshevik Regime”. The leaders in charge emphasized that this was just a temporary retreat from socialism and not a permanent state of affairs. Had Lenin lived and kept his health for longer, the market-oriented reforms might have had more staying power, but it is hard to say. Part of the NEP, about which Lenin was enthusiastic, was an over-ambitious state electrification plan that never met its targets. It is a real stretch to see the NEP as a precursor to Deng’s market socialism policies in China, as Cable does.
It is yet to be seen whether industrial policy is actually a good idea for Britain. It certainly has a poor record over the long term, as it makes markets less free and less accountable, although there may be some short term gains that all these far-sighted believers point to.
The problem of small party thinkers and activists going off the rails is a common one, in many Western countries. When you get accustomed to being the Outsider, and thinking like an Outsider, it becomes a habit. It requires huge self-discipline to control the parameters of your political path when you don’t have the natural constraints that Big Parties have – principally the imperative to keep your head down in the interests of promotion. In the end, the problem for Cable and many others is that there were too few James Kirkups in their inner circles. We need more thinkers, and more organised networks of thinkers, to keep each other on track.
Thanks for the plug for Vince’s book. When so much news comes from such tainted sources, for example ‘Five Eyes’, I’m looking forward to reading a trustworthy author.
As am I. I particularly love the bit where Vince wasn’t chasing Chinese cash by writing bollocks.
I take it you are being ironic?
I thought that was obvious, hence my uptick.
Sarcastic, not ironic
Thank you for not confusing the two, like Americans do.