I feel like every time I turn around lately, I find someone dunking on Sorkin. Is it actually the worst thing in the world that a lot of people liked the idea that our governments should reflect the best in us?
I mean, it’s true that it rarely works out in practice. There are few people who can live up to Sorkin’s ideal of the perfect politician (even his own characters couldn’t, half the time). And even when someone really does stand up and make the case for class and dignity, the voters respond better to someone telling them that they should keep stuffing their faces, patting themselves on the back, and screwing everything in a skirt and/or plopping out a thousand babies. But I’d really quite like for some people of intelligence and conscience to still be around, just to remind everyone what those look like.
The problem with West Wing is that it asks us to believe people in power can know better than the average voter and will do the right thing. Neither of these things are actually true and that is the reason that a free people needs as little government of any kind as possible.
The problem is that there is difference between a group of middle class people with degrees agreeing with each other and clever people. Sorkin is popular because he told middle class progressive politicians that they were the smart ones.
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
‘They have fallen for what I call the Sorkin Delusion: that being clever, articulate and brave is the pathway to success. ‘ This may very well be the pathway to success. The problem is that I cannot really recall any such politicians since Thatcher and one or two of her cabinet such at Tebbitt. I never saw The West Wing but I did read a book of the scripts. I thought they were rubbish.
Most politicians since the 80s have settled for what I call the Meatlof delusion: that two out of three ain’t bad.
Many are clever, and most of those are articulate. But brave? Debbie Hayton’s post on here earlier shows that Starmer certainly isn’t. And I can’t think of any current politician who is.
Meatloaf delusion, Dave. That’s very good and the public also has obviously settled for two out of three as well, sometimes even for one out of three, or something less than one out of three.
A major reason politicians seem to like the TV licence is because they probably realise noone would watch them if they had to pay. Politicians are very boring-I used to watch Question Time to help me go to sleep.Of course actors as politicians are handsome and glamourous -you wouldn’t watch a programme with people filling in forms or attending boring committees
Michael Josem
3 years ago
Having been exposed to the inner workings of politics too much in these isles, and also in Australia, I remain convinced that the most accurate TV show is not WEST WING or HOUSE OF CARDS, but rather, VEEP.
Michael Whittock
3 years ago
Westminster sounds more like Fawlty Towers to me – failed attempts at chaos control.
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago
Sorry, Polly, never watched “The West Wing” so don’t know what I am missing. I loved “Designated Survivor” at the start, but deserted it at the end of season one or near the beginning of season two, I forget. It was a wonderful idea for a TV mini-series. It was a horrible idea to make it a multi-season series. I understand if I kept watching I would have seen them kill off Keifer Sutherland’s adorable wife, played by Natascha McElhone. Unbelievable! What were these guys smoking!
I feel like every time I turn around lately, I find someone dunking on Sorkin. Is it actually the worst thing in the world that a lot of people liked the idea that our governments should reflect the best in us?
I mean, it’s true that it rarely works out in practice. There are few people who can live up to Sorkin’s ideal of the perfect politician (even his own characters couldn’t, half the time). And even when someone really does stand up and make the case for class and dignity, the voters respond better to someone telling them that they should keep stuffing their faces, patting themselves on the back, and screwing everything in a skirt and/or plopping out a thousand babies. But I’d really quite like for some people of intelligence and conscience to still be around, just to remind everyone what those look like.
The problem with West Wing is that it asks us to believe people in power can know better than the average voter and will do the right thing. Neither of these things are actually true and that is the reason that a free people needs as little government of any kind as possible.
The problem is that there is difference between a group of middle class people with degrees agreeing with each other and clever people. Sorkin is popular because he told middle class progressive politicians that they were the smart ones.
‘They have fallen for what I call the Sorkin Delusion: that being clever, articulate and brave is the pathway to success. ‘
This may very well be the pathway to success. The problem is that I cannot really recall any such politicians since Thatcher and one or two of her cabinet such at Tebbitt.
I never saw The West Wing but I did read a book of the scripts. I thought they were rubbish.
Most politicians since the 80s have settled for what I call the Meatlof delusion: that two out of three ain’t bad.
Many are clever, and most of those are articulate. But brave? Debbie Hayton’s post on here earlier shows that Starmer certainly isn’t. And I can’t think of any current politician who is.
Meatloaf delusion, Dave. That’s very good and the public also has obviously settled for two out of three as well, sometimes even for one out of three, or something less than one out of three.
A major reason politicians seem to like the TV licence is because they probably realise noone would watch them if they had to pay. Politicians are very boring-I used to watch Question Time to help me go to sleep.Of course actors as politicians are handsome and glamourous -you wouldn’t watch a programme with people filling in forms or attending boring committees
Having been exposed to the inner workings of politics too much in these isles, and also in Australia, I remain convinced that the most accurate TV show is not WEST WING or HOUSE OF CARDS, but rather, VEEP.
Westminster sounds more like Fawlty Towers to me – failed attempts at chaos control.
Sorry, Polly, never watched “The West Wing” so don’t know what I am missing. I loved “Designated Survivor” at the start, but deserted it at the end of season one or near the beginning of season two, I forget. It was a wonderful idea for a TV mini-series. It was a horrible idea to make it a multi-season series. I understand if I kept watching I would have seen them kill off Keifer Sutherland’s adorable wife, played by Natascha McElhone. Unbelievable! What were these guys smoking!